The Sun Queen and a Very Real Contest
By Bud White on May 17, 2008 at 11:25 PM in ABC News, Advertising, Barack Obama, Clinton, Commander in Chief, Credentials Committee, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Electability, Electoral College, George Stephanopoulos, Hillary Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Kentucky, MSNBC, Media Bias, Meet The Press, Pennsylvania, Popular Vote, Presidential Candidates, Superdelegates, West Virginia
According to Obama supporters and his allies in the media, Hillary is finished and the nomination is securely in Obama’s hands. David Broder laments that “If Clinton weren’t still challenging, [Obama] could easily devote a week to a swing through Hispanic enclaves from California to New York.” But Hillary is challenging and I take Hillary at her word that she believes she can win.
Hillary is telling her supporters that this race isn’t about the math, it’s about the map. She is well aware that she is much more likely to beat Mcain than Obama.
The endorsement of Obama by John Edwards dampened the hopes of many Hillary supporters. But Hillary is running hard and making some very interesting last-minute moves.
So, what is happening in Camp Hillary right now? Consider the picture prominently featured on Hillary’s Web site:
Hillary as Sun Queen — beautiful, strong, iconic — is a rather unusual move at the end of a campaign. She radiates power, empathy, and the vulnerability of John F. Kennedy and is strikingly similar to another woman of the people, Eva Peron:
Her conference call with bloggers on Friday was a move more normally associated with a campaign’s kick-off than the final few weeks. Also on Friday she began running an ad in Oregon which specifically targets Obama’s biggest supporters in the media:
What we’re seeing, I suspect, is another New Hampshire moment where there’s a disconnect between the media’s desire to quickly anoint Obama and the reality that this is a very tight campaign in which Hillary has a legitimate path to the nomination. I believe that Hillary remains in the race because she knows the state of the race better than the media or the neo-liberal bloggers. She knows what many super delegates are telling her in private; the fact that she will do very well in Kentucky and Puerto Rico; the potential for Obama to implode; and the imminent decision on how Michigan and Florida will be seated.
Although it’s a minority view, there are pundits out there who see a scenario where Hillary wins. Jay Cost of Real Clear Politics writes:
I will predict that West Virginia will be either her best or her second best finish, behind only Arkansas. Kentucky should come in right behind the two. This alone should be enough to induce some caution. I think it is too hasty to declare her finished just days before two of her three best states.
If, for a moment, we turn off the volume on Obama’s cheerleaders in the media and consider the results of Pennsylvania and West Virginia (41 point landslide!), it’s clear that Obama is the far weaker candidate to face McCain. The Clinton Team knows this to be true. They know Hillary will be ahead in the popular votes. And that without the DNC’s self-destructive but intentional games with Michigan and Florida, Hillary would have spent months with an “insurmountable” delegate lead and the nomination. Remember, Hillary was counted out before New Hampshire. Unless she says so, there is still a very real contest, and with Hillary we could win the White House this year.
As riverdaughter writes:
she’s not getting out of the race, not when she’s winning in the popular vote by more than 50,000 votes. There’s still Kentucky, Oregon, South Dakota, Montana and Puerto Rico and more voters to help her put some distance between herself and Obama. So, she’s in it to win it. And why shouldn’t she? She’s won more of the crucial states than he has.
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ATTENTION ALL DOGS!…My 3 Discuss the Issues, Decide to Endorse Hillary! (and pose for pics, too!)
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Very important announcement!!!!~
my dog supports hillary too because she would fight for rescued dogs like my own… and if my dog had gone to a pound we would have lost one of the most beautiful dogs you have ever seen.. she is a great dane greyhound mix… lean, tall, sleek, fast, prancy… she loves hillary for fighting on – the way that my dog she battled heart worm and lives to tell about it… my dog is one smart cookie and so we are with hillary all the way
My increasingly bitter dog HARRY supports Hillary…He’s an 11 yr. old golden retriever….He was a Clinton/Gore dog too….He sat out Kerry…
** KERRY TURNED MY DOG….BITTER….OBAMA MADE IT WORSE **
LOL*…….I was not entirely sorry Kerry lost.
I knew it meant more war, too. Lordy, but that guy was the epitomy of uninspiring!
My westie Jack is sooo for Hillary. He likes her plans for universal pre-school, get those kids out of his fur!!! And he wants them fed well too, he get his kibble, and he suspects what it’s like to go hungry. HIllary is for all kids, all over the whole entire world, and Jack, he likes kids a lot, even if he’d like a break now and then. Dog is my co-pilot and that why Jack and I will love having a girly dog loving president, who’s really female too.
I was an avid Edwards supporter..but it sickened me what he did this week right after Hillary’s huge win in West Virginia..it made me ill..so much so that i refued to watch it..i shut the tv off and i went out for a drink..And i will tell you if that was damping..i say bullshit..it made me fire engine angry an pissed beyond belief..it showed me Edwards is nothing but a damned liar.
He will never get another moment of my time or another damn dime of my money..he got enough of my money this year…and i call it highway robery now!
When i think of people i could have helped with that money it makes me sick!
A family could have had great health insurance for a year with that money..
who the fuck does he think he is kidding…
no, i would not say dampen….not at all…i would say resolve..resolve to do everything i can to see Obama run back to his crooks in Chicago with his tail between his coward legs!..what pitiful so called men these are…
i remember while raising my son i would say..do you want to be a man or a mouse..
those two people are not men ..they are mice…stinking slimy mice.
Neither one could win it against a woman without doing a male pile on…what fucking cowards!
fly
Edwards is a loner who only makes choices that help his own ambition. Every move he makes is calculated.
There is an eerie robo insensitivity in his nature.
I supported him until that “pile-on” debate. He had no idea what a bully he looked like by joining in on a pack bang.
The tip off that this guy is self serving is his endorsement of conservative, right-leaning Obama.
Clinton’s proposals, and outlook are closer to what Edwards espouses, he endorsed the more conservative Obama.
Edward’s ‘08 platform is faked. He took over Dean’s niche because it looked like the direction that would get him elected.
In 4 years between elections, what did the guy do for the poor, he claims to care for so much?
Nothing!
He worked on his campaign the entire time.
His spending a solid year in Iowa prior to the caucuses is the tipoff to me that he is near crazy with obsession and personal ambition.
Only recently did he run down to Jimmy Carter’s project to help, because he knows he has to have some kind of credit on his resume, besides being a professional presidential candidate.
JOHN EDWARDS….IS A PUTZ….nuff said….
Fly, after we run him back to Chicago, can we help Patrick Fitzpatrick get him ready a nice new orange jumpsuit?
Losing this contest isn’t enough.
Justice of the ultimate orange after dispensing all that orange kool-aid is pure instant karma.
Obama and Blogovitch are named in the REZKO INDICTMENT….
Blagovitch will be impeached….Obama will be next…..
The jumpsuit has already been measured and is being made….
I lost respect for Edwards. Funny how his wife wasn’t there. Thought they were joined at the hip.
Maybe she couldn’t stomach the craven opportunism of it all.
Does Edwards really think that Obama will keep his “poverty tour” promise if McCain is banging him on NATIONAL SECURITY? I mean, really. What if the landscape changes–and funny how the GOP always come up with an OCTOBER surprise.
Let’s not talk about that dirty bomb attack, or that scary city bombing, or that suicide bomber, or some other dumbass asymetrical effort at fearmongering, because I promised John I’d ride through Appalachia and talk down to the poor dirty uneducated caucasians who are “low information voters?” Give me a break.
Like Obama keeps his word, anyway–his history in Chicago in local politics shows he’ll do what he has to do to win, and that includes screwing over someone he’s made promises to.
One interesting thing about this race–it really has pointed out to me something that I really didn’t really see, or notice, up to now. A lot of men are AFRAID of decisive women. They’re SCARED SHITLESS of Clinton, because she’s smarter, stronger and tougher. And only someone with issues would think that her strength somehow “takes away” from their own.
And there are a few women who are JEALOUS of her. Which is pretty fucking stupid, too. I mean, come on–she’s not gonna take your man, now, is she?
Most of these voters are on Team Obama, too–talk about “low information!” They’re too busy tossing sexist slurs and popping their zits to garner any real information beyond slogans and bullshit.
Most importantly, the media will NOT COVER this dynamic–because in order to do it, they have to admit that they are a BIG PART of the misogynist PROBLEM.
Obama did so much to reduce poverty in his district, if your name was Rev.Wright, he sent money your way and back.
What about the 1.8 mill mansion?
Rev. Wrights house isn’t in barkys district, he wouldn’t want to live there. Too many bitter poor people being put down by the man.
I’m wondering who Elizabeth Edwards will endorse?
It certainly can’t be Obama, not with his healthcare plan.
I don’t think she disagrees with him. I do think she’s focused on health care and agrees with me that it was highly irresponsible of Obama to use fear-mongering as a tactic against Hillary’s plan.
That pollutes the will of the people to get a true universal plan through.
Other than that? I suspect she’s pro-Obama.
I believe John admitted he and Elizabeth voted differently after he did the Obama endorsement.
Seems she would have gone with him to MI or spoken out with her support if she was on the same side he is.
fly, contact Edwards and tell him you want your money back, that you didn’t support him vocally and financially so he could turn around and make a low-blow endorsement. Besides, he has enough money and it sounds like he approves of any plan MO and BO might have to spread it around.
and that’s the truth. But it isn’t over, she can’t count on the old boys, and she can count on the media to use every ugly adjective for her, and she can count on Barack to run against her, probably the real reason he has to try to keep her off his ticket, he’s not through running against her, and as usual girls who seek power jobs get smeared in the most disgusting of terms. Bro’s, you may win this one, but time is ticking on your clock. I’d say that if you give it to Barack and he loses, you bought it, you own it.
Someplace somewhere – probably here cause it’s one of the sanest places on the web – I said that all Edwards would do is make LOTS and LOTS of women so flaming angry that you would never quite recognize them again – I mean it was so well timed for and extreme reaction from me but very badly timed as a good tool for Obama except for IN THE VERY SHORT TERM. Which makes me thinnk that this guy only has a short term space in his head (Obama and Edwards fit that description).
All of it is so opportunistic that if you saw nothing else this whole campaign, all you needed to see was that. Surely, Edwards had been in Obama’s bag for a long time but they didn’t feel they needed him until the other day. So my response to that is that is that they were far more spooked by West Virginia than anyone let on. And I mean spooked.
And now I am responding to my own comment. The degree to which there is nothing to Obama is actually getting scarier and scarier. Who the hell is really pulling these strings on this puppet. We know Axelrod but there’s a couple levels behind this that would be far more telling. Axelrod works for a living, somebody else is paying him. Who the hell is running the show?
I’d remove the Eva Peron picture.
Eva Person makes for a decent musical, but does not make for a positive political metaphor.
Not at all.
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Ditto, positive is not something I’d associate with Peron.
Besides she created a cult of the personality around like Barky, hardly something to crow about.
I am commenting exactly on the Hillary Team’s use of iconic imagery to counter Obama’s cult of personality. I’m not discussing Argentinian history.
Evita is pure Madonna, ew…
I saw that sun background used for Obama way before I saw it here for Hillary, and I have to tell you, it totally creeped me out. It doesn’t creep me out with Hillary so much, since her supporters aren’t trying to be in a cult, but I still don’t think it’s a good graphic.
Hillary looks nice and all that, but I think she needs to steer clear of the Obama-type marketing. Comparing her with Eva Peron is also not the direction I think her campaign needs to go.
***I saw that sun background used for Obama way before I saw it here for Hillary, and I have to tell you, it totally creeped me out.***
I agree. Obama has a skateboarder guy who designed his in this same style. Looks too much like the old communist stuff, for my taste.
She’s not staring at you in that pic, that’s why it doesn’t creep you out. None of that “LOOK INTO MY EYES….OBEY…OBEY!!!” cult shit.
It’s a nice little artsy-fartsy Warholish treatment.
Makes for a change.
Don’t put more into it than it is.
IMO.
I don’t like the HRC poster either…not at all. it reminded me too much of Obama’s.
*Peron
While Mr. Cost’s observation “I think it is too hasty to declare her finished just days before two of her three best states.” is correct, I believe that he is missing the point. If the voting population believes that Clinton is finished, then the prophecy might be self-fulfilling. So the Obama campaign, supporters and MSM push that theme for all that they are (not) worth. Fortunately for the Clinton campaign and supporters, people have seen enough lying MSM and lying politicians to question both. As we have seen at NQ, if there is one thing that Obama can’t stand is people asking serious questions about him.
I think that the media by pushing Obama’s candidacy 24/7 as the next messiah have done him more harm than good and they are responsible for turning off millions of Americans who would otherwise tune in to get the news. Voters see it as piling on. After all Hillary and Bill Clinton are the two most famous people in the world and we already believe we know them well enough. For the media to repeat the Obama racist meme and then give him a pass on his own racist statements is appalling. What the media doesn’t say is that there are about 200 SD’s who have not made up their minds and will not until the primaries are over. Hillary should continue to run because in these times we need the best President–not some flawed Amateur.
The thing about delegates is, they can do a nice show on a time release but the truth is, nobody has ANY superdelegates until the second vote at the convention. The bottom line is, I promise you my vote but that can change. Just as we have seen them “switch,” we understand that “committed” means “committed for now”. A superdelegate can switch five times if he wants to. It’s lip service, even if the SD means it…at the time. That is why I keep saying that August is a long time away.
The one thing that Clinton absolutely should not do is drop out. And it appears that she knows this.
Right On Uppity!
Things can change…s**t happens.
Wouldn’t it be lover-ly to see this all play out on the 2nd ballot?
Barky’s babies would be so embarassed.
Imagine the righteous indignation!
Someone would first have to explain what was going on…
Well said, flyarm. Have noticed that many of us, like yourself, have become MORE, not less determined, by every dirty ploy they use, thinking in their insane illogic that they are ‘winning us over’. Though I admired edwards, I never had contact with his campaign. The night of his phony endorsement, I was suddenly one of millions who received his bs email request for donations. At first mystified (why/how did he contact me – I don’t even know him?) we then figured out the common link:
All of us who got his bogus solitication email had SENT PROTESTS to the DNC – and what we got back for our carefully written e-letters were an ongoing onslaught of requests to send money to the DNC. We couldn’t even get off their list – like fishes they had hooked. Quickly became clear that DNC then handed over our email addresses to edwards.So, I emailed edwards blog return address with another protest and within a few minutes received an email from them thanking me for my comment and telling me where to email to arrange for edwards to SPEAK in my community. lol but disgusting. They treat us in such an inhuman way, they don’t even read the contents of our complaints OR even take note that we want them to leave us alone.
I just sent a hard mailer to all undecided SDs whom I could get contact info for. Took me 3 weeks to prepare and cost me a bundle but I’m keeping FAITH that some will actually read the contents. Interesting what I discovered in the course of researching SD addresses: When Terry Mc (now with HILL) was DNC chair (2004) a complete list of contact info was posted, online, for all Committee members. Now, under Dean’s so-called ‘bottom-up” approach, contact info to the public for these VITAL national figures is no longer available! Is there a word for the ‘opposite of transparency?’
LARRY, ISN’T THERE SOME WAY THAT THIS IS ILLEGAL? They are so tramping over our 1st ammendment rights – in several ways, ongoing. I’ve heard there are various laws related to internet misuse in different states. This week, that mom who used myspace for psychological warfare on her daughter’s classmate (poor girl committed suicide as a result) was much i the news this week. And they think they have a good case against her.
I don’t think this is much different than the —- they’ve been doing to us. Just read that Daily Kos ‘declared’ in March that the Democratic primary is a ‘CIVIL WAR’ – IF SO, only because he and his ilk have made it such – and clearly are the new version of hitler’s SS, acting behind the scenes with complicit coordination to bo’s nicey nice public campaign.
LARRY ISN’T THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THESE PERSONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR 1ST AMEND RIGHTS???Their interference in our blogging and misuse of our personal information is like a psychological form of waterboarding – drown our spirit, disrupt and distort our communications, try to choke out our voices. Please, Larry, comment on this.
yeah i would think paying bloggers to write pro obama stuff in all different pro hillary sites would be trespassing and/or fraud in some way…
So, you think Edwards got all our email addresses from the DNC as enticement for his endorsement to over-shadow Hillary’s WV win? I couldn’t figure out if it was his own old list from his Presidential site (I had emailed him when he withdrew asking him to support Hillary), or if it was Obama’s list (I have emailed him scolding messages), or the DNC (who I regulary email complaints to).
I did the reply to on the email I got, as well, but instantly got an Out of Office message reply saying they had shut down that email address. I figured they had gotten a mailbox full of complaints after the endorsement.
I thought they couldn’t share email address lists unless they had provided an opt in option to everyone. I don’t remember having to register to the DNC site in order to email them, which seems like they violated something in the privacy laws if they shared our addresses. Especially if it was a bribe or enticement to get his endorsement.
Fly,
I am with you.
Hillary is our best choice! Let us do not let anyone push her around.
Let us to do whatever we can to help her to get more vote this weekend.
Get every vote is important right now!
Action is the road to win !
Call! Call! Call! http://www.hillaryclinton.com/
the calling response is tremendous. They had to add new lists everybody had been contacted once already.
keep calling, some people will tell you they are sick of all the calls but there are still voters that haven’t been reached that still have their ballots sitting there gathering dust.
She needs every vote.
it is now or never.
Edwards himself has said that endorsements don’t mean much and that voters make up their own minds, and I agree. As a former Edwards supporter, I did find the timing of the endorsement suspect, and when I actually listened to his speech, and realized that he didn’t give any reasons to support Obama specifically, only Democrats in general, I was nonplussed. I think after the initial attention of that endorsement wears off (if it hasn’t already) the playing field won’t be greatly changed.
I am so going to enjoy watching the floundering Tuesday evening of all of those who told us this thing was over. Especially if Hillary keeps it close in Oregon. The reality of it is that Hillary still has real strengths in upcoming contests, even if Timmeh tries to get us to ignore the facts.
Edwards’ endorsement was just like everyone (and I mean everyone) elses.
Full of hopey/changey bullshit but completely content free. Never pointing to experience or policy. I find it very sad. I find Hillary both inspiratonal and packed to the hilt with tangibles. The Obambi endorsements all talk about how he makes the endorser feel. If you don’t happen to feel it, the your shit outta luck because there is nothing to appeal to the rational, empiric voter who just mght want a little more content
Superdelegates and the media need to open their eyes and stop coddling a loser.
Hillary is ahead in the popular vote. Remember what Pelosi said “the will of the people”.
Hillary is ahead in electoral votes. The ones it takes to win in November.
Hillary won most of the big states, again needed to win in November.
Obama ticked off FL and MI by blocking their votes, which Hillary won overwhelmingly. Say what you want, the fact is Hillary won FL and MI.
Obama ticked off TX voters by reversing Hillary’s win in the primary with his corrupt caucuses. People don’t like to be pushed, blocked, threatened, have documents stolen, etc. and forced out of caucuses unable to vote or have their vote overturned through corruption.
Buyers remorse is setting in. People are realizing Obama is a lot of hot air with no record of accomplishments, very poor judgement based on the fact that it took him 20 years to figure out his preacher is a racist, anti-American adulterer, when it took Oprah a very short time.
And, based on his deals with indicted Rezko, his money laundering with other Chicago crooks. And, his long-time friend and boss who help him launch his campaign, the unrepentant terrorist bomber, Ayers. The money men, Auchi, the Iraqi billionaire, the PLO people, and others.
And, his continual lying about Hillary, her programs, plans, and thoughts. Lying about his stand on Iraq, past and present. He didn’t hear the preacher, then he did. He “doesn’t” take lobbyist money. He tells Canada don’t listen to him, it’s only political rhetoric, and on and on.
The superdelegates should realize that the popular vote represents the will of the people.
The electoral votes represent the chance of winning in November.
The pledged delegate system is totally inequitable, corrupt, and meaningless.
Well the thing is, NEITHER of them will have the proper number of pledged delegates by August. That’s because Florida and Michigan are not in the mix. You either put those delegates in the mix as is, or you don’t. You can’t arbitrarily “play” with those numbers. It’s just plain subjective and probably not even legal. If seated as-is, Obama can cry foul. If arbitrarily divided, Clinton can cry foul. So what’s the next scenario that can possibly be used? Popular vote.
There’s a good article on River Daughter’s blog
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/cokie-roberts-sees-the-light/
that gives Cokie Roberts’ opinion on the DNC leadership and why they want Obama as the nominee. It’s worth reading.
Here’s a quote from Roberts: “So why don’t Democratic leaders and superdelegates face these facts and shift to Clinton? One reason is race. It’s true, as Obama says, that being black in America has hardly been a political asset, given the fact that he’s the only African-American in the U.S. Senate. But at this time, in this party, being black is an enormous asset. Given America’s long, torturous path toward racial justice, many Democrats simply cannot imagine denying the nomination to the first serious African-American candidate for president. From a moral perspective, that’s a noble judgment. From a political perspective, it could cost Democrats the White House.”
And this quote is directly from River Daughter: “But this is Obama’s secret weapon, and Hillary supporters have known this for some time. Those that have been bold enough to make such an argument have been lambasted by Obama’s race-baiting campaign and his allies in the media (ask Geraldine Ferraro). It has gotten so crazy that if you try to point out any weakness in “The One”’s campaign, you risk being labled a racist. Well, this ploy is not working with more than half of us in the Democratic Party anymore. And as for it working on the Republicans? Yeah, good luck with that.”
I’m afraid that both Roberts and River Daughter are spot on with this. If the party leadership pushes to nominate Obama just to appease those who want a candidate based on race and nothing else, we will lose the White House and John McCain will be our president.
There are far fewer white Americans in this country who feel guilt over racial inequalities than the media and DNC leadership would want you to believe. These people will vote based on experience and proven leadership, and their fear that Obama has neither. And as Paul Belaga(sp.?) told Donna Brazile, “Obama will not win the White House with the AA, college kids and affluent white vote.”
But I’m (we’re) beating a dead horse here. I think the DNC leadership is blind to anything but their own POV and will not change, even if it means losing the White House.
If Hillary could use the delegates from all “57″ states she probably could catch Obama in the delegate race too. Where is Obama hidding the other seven states?
Hillary has a GRASS ROOTS movement, NOT a cult (totally different criterion.) And, notice, as another commented Hillary’s LOOKING upward for guidance, NOT grinning out at some mesmerized mob. Also, the colors are totally different than bo’s phoney messiah poster – color communicates a message. So I get that some don’t get it – but I love it anyway. We look up to Hillary (and doesn’t it feel good to finally have someone to really inspire us?) and she looks up to a higher power. Which oboma only claims- while he does the exact opposite. I’m buying the poster. I like having her around, reminds me to have faith and strength too.
Goes well with another obscure piece I found last night:
(from a Hollywood fundraiser in 2007. 1st published in Men’s Vogue by only reporter in the inner circle of event:
“When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. “This guy was president before I was,” says Obama, referring to Freeman’s turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio.
Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty (obama then said): “This guy was God before I was.”
http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2007/04/status_report_obama?currentPage=1
YES, you heard that right. Way back in 2007 he declared himself not only President- but GOD!
RE 57 STATES
Go to Atlasshrugged for your answer: says there are 57 muslim states… as a face reader, when I saw video of bo’s blooper, I most noticed that he looked more like he was REMEMBERING information than making an error… SO this explanation makes horrifying sense.
Remember, despite attempts to try to make little of the fact, he grew up with a muslim step-dad and went to muslim school in Indonesia. muslim schools are very strict and steadfast about religious indoctrination daily – when kids are at very impressionable age. Obama was NOT making a silly mistake – he was remembering what he had learned about the ‘nation’ he really identifies with – and conceals!
Worst part is overlooked part of his comment. Watch here – when he adds “and one left to go” (?). Concerned that that would be US!
Video of obama’s public statement in Oregon:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
One of several verifications of WHO has 57 states, this one with lucid commentary:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/57-islamic-stat.html
PLEASE CUT AND PASTE THESE 2 LINKS and help make this clear connection to the real truth VIRAL. Send to news outlets, your email list, and POST on other blogs. We can help to WAKE UP those in denial, still, and not yet aware.
This is from a blogger at a pro-Hillary website http://www.savagepolitics.com
PS – HERE IS MY STATEMENT TO THOSE THINKING OF WRITING IN HILLARY – IF SHE ISN’T THE NOMINEE AND DOESN’T RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT:
You are giving the election to Barack Obama. You might as well just vote for him.
Elections are won by getting the most votes.
Elections are not won by preventing the most votes.
The only candidate likely to win an election is either the Democrat or the Republican.
If you do not want a particular person in you must vote AGAINST THAT PERSON regardless of how you feel about the opposition.
To do otherwise just lowers the Final Total needed to win.
If McCain fails to receive enough votes because folks stayed home or wrote in someone that can only get 10M (of the 61M needed to win) you have just made it much easier for your enemy to win the election.
For Hillary supporters – without Hillary running OFFICIALLY she will never get enough votes to win.
Obama will split her votes without losing ANY of his base voters. Fewer votes cast for McCain means less votes he needs to win.
You are playing right into his hands by writing in people, or staying home.
The most votes RECEIVED wins the election. Period.
also saw a post on savagepolitics.com saying that in some states if you write in someone, such as hillary, and the state doesn’t recognize write-ins, they just automatically give your vote to the democratic candidate. so writing in hillary could be giving a vote TO obama!!! the worst possible result.
hope everyone checks out their state’s rules before writing in hillary.
i’ll be voting mccain if obama’s nominated. that costs him the vote i would otherwise be giving to the dem nominee, plus gives one to the repub, thereby hurting him twice. works for me.
That one is hard for me to believe.
agree. hope it’s wrong. saw the post, though, and it got me worried. won’t affect me, as i’m just going to vote mccain and not take any chances on the obamajerk winning.
I somewhat agree. That is why I would vote McCain. But even with a write in, you reduce Obama’s number of votes while not hurting McCain’s number. To think otherwise is to imagine that a boatload of republicans will vote for Barack Obama. I didn’t believe that game before and I still don’t believe it. Even moderate Republicans would vote for McCain. The uber conservatives may not like him but they surely aren’t going to vote for Obama. Then there are all the moderate democrats who will not vote for Obama, as what happened with McGovern. Then there are the disinfranchised groups.
The important thing is NOT to stay home! It is important to have a strong number of voters against Obama to make a statement. Writing in Hillary won’t increase McCain’s vote count, but it WILL hurt Obama. Also remember, Ralph is in the mix again. He’s good for a couple of percentage points and he hurts Obama. But voting McCain really increases his take and makes Obama look even worse. So I can see where that person is coming from.
A vote for McCain is like two votes against Obama
It’s the most electoral votes that win – not the most popular votes. Realize the traditional view is that a 3rd party candidate cannot win, but this is hardly a traditional election year.
Don’t be so quick, following outworn brain pathways, to insist the old ways hold true. If the founders of this country went along with that kind of thinking, we wouldn’t even be here now.
What I find really interesting about this post is that while I vehemently disagree with Republicans on a whole host of issues I have never, ever considered them to be my enemies. We have a difference of opinion that is all. To think of John McCain as my enemy stretches all credibility in my thinking. He is a damned fine American by any standard as is Hillary Clinton. On the other hand, Obama is very questionable. I still don’t consider him my enemy but it becomes more apparent every day that I am certainly his enemy (40 year old white male who works for a living.)
Love the Peter Max of Senator Clinton.
There fighters then there is senator Clinton.
NARAL lit the fire on a growing movement against Obama.
The ‘won’t vote for Obama’ movement was just getting started and needed a catalyst like this to coalesce.
More websites have popped up in addition to petitions pledging not to vote for Obama.
The DNC and Obama have treated Hillary Clinton with amazing disrespect. Women have had it. And, their fathers, husbands, and sons agree.
Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned.
There won’t be any backing off.
Hillary is ahead in the popular vote and in the electoral votes.
The delegates are based on a corrupt caucus system and are further corrupted by Obama’s thugs going in and pushing, blocking, throwing out, and threatening voters.
TX is a prime example of some of this mayhem. Hillary won the legitimate Texas primary, but “somehow” lost the delegates. Delegates are useless, corrupt, and meaningless.
If Hillary is denied the nomination we would rather put up with 4 years of McCain, who will have his hands tied by a Democratic Congress, than put up with a corrupt, lying, cult leader who has no experience whatsoever.
And, believe me, WE MEAN IT.
yes, we do!!!
for my entire adult life i opposed the GOP.
That I am now watching McCain’s speeches, reading his website and thinking of Kerry asking him to be VP because he was so centrist is personally alarming to me.
I can’t fathom it yet, and I will not make up my mind till November, but that it is even in my mind is an indication of how much I detest ob.
and yes, if it comes down to the unthinkable in 5 and a half months from now… it is actually something we have to consider. shudder.
I have a rather nice name for a website that’s been floating around my head. I wish someone would use it:
BEATTHEBASTARD.COM
GUARANTEED!!
Let Obama crown himself (Mission Accomplished) and have Hillary in the background. Behind the scenes.
The nominee is not appointed until the end of August when the votes are cast.
A lot can happen between now and then.
After declaring victory with honor, the heat will descend on Obama. Everyone will be watching to see how he handles himself.
If Fitzpatrick makes Rezko sing, the Democratic Gov of Illinois will go down. He was Rezko’s first choice for president; Obama was second. Having the entire political scene in Chicago turned upside down in the midst of an election (in which the Dem. Gov. replaced the corrupt Repub one and was to have cleaned house) will not be good for either party since both the Daley machine (Axelrod is a part of it) and some Republicans are equal opportunity feeders at the public trough.
Obama’s “guilt” by association, even if he was just making a deal with Rezko (who was bankrupt at that time) to obtain a side yard for his mansion, will be disillusioning to those who bought Axelrod’s Hope+Change(TM) ad campaign.
It might be a different climate come end of August, and the race is very close.
the house is a side story. the campaign donations and how obama lied and returned them in tiny increments as they were found out is more to the point. it was his pretending he was not a close friend of rezko’s and his lies about his distance and as the truth came out that he and rezko went to the house together and that obama was actually at the Auchi party and toasted him.
it is that obama denied it all then admitted it when confronted at each step only what was discovered to date.
THAT MAN… Lived in my neighborhood… a few thousand… all the lies to cover up his strong connections to his buddies who aided and abetted him every single step of his climb.
ayers threw his launch party in his HOME.
consulting with terrorists is verbotten.
I don’t take oil money…. his lies are where the arrogance and bamboozling are most felt, not his house purchase. that is just a symptom of his fatal disease.
Hillary has said that she is aware that many of those leaders who know her from years of
experience working together with her, are under tremendous pressure…….whatever that means..
And that she understands……….
BO’s campaign has tried to get full mileage from the ‘how things look to the average voter’ tactic, deploying it in a very calculated way.
So, it seems that a few of those who lined up like ducks in a row, everytime BO took a jab or was about to hit the mat, may well have been some of those who were under tremendous pressure.
Isn’t it possible that some leaders feel compelled to act in a manner that saves them from being constantly pressured, so that they can sleep a little peacefully at night..preserve their sanity and health, …….at least for a while?
Perhaps THEY understand that Hillary …..understands……
By falling in line, they then get some breathing space, while they hope that June provides them a clearer roadmap to run on. At that point, they would have given the so-called front runner, many, ‘15 minutes of glory’ slots.
Should Hillary’s case be formidable, then they can do the honourable thing with good conscience. They got to show support for BOTH candidates, when it mattered at varying points along the way.
And who knows, maybe that strategy could ensure that they do not become subjects of that UN investigation referred to elsewhere. LOL!
Or give the energized bunnies an excuse to create havoc!
Could well be wishful thinking on my pat!
BTW, I love the posters….
I’m with Hillary when she says:
It’s Not the Math, It’s the Map
You’re right,…. as they say:
A Day is a Long Time in Politics!
I’m with Hillary when she says:
It’s Not the Math, It’s the Map
No one believes me when I say I will not vote for Obama. I just can’t. He literally makes me sick.
Now if John Lewis, Andrew Young, or Harold Ford were running then absolutely.
Barry is nothing more than a 2-year Senator who has never held a committee meeting.
All the Republicans need to do is tell the truth.
You Broke It–You Own It, Obama Style; By Kristen Breitweiser
“Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know whose to blame.
And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too. This time around, everybody’s going to be looking for accountability.
Flash forward to Election Day 08. Can you imagine the backpedaling going on when it comes to explaining how Barack Obama — the Democratic nominee by math not by sensibility — loses key states? What will those pundits say? Can they turn to history and defend themselves by saying that Obama won Ohio in the primary? Pennsylvania? Florida? And what about West Virginia? No Democrat has won the WH since 1916 without winning West Virginia and we all know what happened yesterday. What will they use as their rationale as to why they reasonably expected Obama to win those states in the general? Will they be driven mad with their math and just keep repeating that it wasn’t their fault — it was math’s fault? (Or will they fall back on the usual suspect and blame it on Hillary?)
Maybe they’ll use the argument that Obama was supposed to re-draw the political map. That Obama promised that “all states were in play.” And, what if he turns out to be wrong? What if Obama loses those red states (and even some of those key blue states)? Is it possible that after e-i-g-h-t years of George Bush, we will have another Republican in the WH? Is it fathomable that a Republican like McCain could win by a landslide? Right now Jerome Armstrong at myDD has an electoral college estimate with McCain winning 290 to 248.”
more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/you-b…
I prefer the insights of No Fraudz, above (2008-05-18 03:18:51).
Huffing ton post can be counted on to muddy the reader’s thinking at best.
But she is not your typical HP writer. She is the thorn in BO’s side. As a 9/11 widow, she has hit him long and hard on his anti Iraq war stance — one of the few who has to be honest. The page is missing when you hit the link, but what appears here is EXCELLENT thinking.
All of her stuff is great.
Huffington Post has now banned absolutely all pro-Hillary posters, apparently. Did you see the comments?
Not a single one positive.
Why these writers bother to feed that site is beyond me.
Huffpost, as can be expected took down the post. Not looking good for their crowned Prince of Lalaland.
Jeeze. That’s radiant star back isn’t about a Sun Queen, it’s the same look as Mao’s propaganda poster.
Even associating her with Eva Peron, just makes it’s more radioactive to the demographics she’s picking up.
Earth to liberals: you market Hillary as Eva, you’ll be singing the aria, “Don’t Cry for me Argentina” in November.
First thought I saw of that photo, is it was a modern Mao poster…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doviende/1484517250/
Hillary has always had problems with imagery and marketing of it, and it still shows this late in the game.
Market:
Strength – to alleviate fears she can’t be CiC; and she won’t worry about breaking a nail (and stopping business to fix it).
Grace – Jackie was popular because of it, and folks can criticize her husband forever, but Jackie is still loved, for her style and grace — she was the “C” in Camelot.
So you want the qualities of Thatcher and Jackie in one package, not some Obama clone. Thatcher appeals to those Right of Mao; Jackie can appeal to those Left of Mao.
I thought it was a Free Republic image.
She does not need this from her allies.
Sun Queen image for someone who has been vilified as ambitious by the Republican agitprop operatives?
Eva Peron?
How does that help? Whom does that help?
The other poster in the contest was much better. The blue kodalith campaign headshot with qualitys in small type in the positive space.
The Far-Left that enjoys whipping Hillary.
How and why did such imagery win that spot? What will the T-Shirt contest bring, her face as Hugo Chevez?
This would BE Freepers material to throw around: “HAHAHA, I told you she was a Commie!!”, not having Hillary kick herself without their help!!
That’s the problem with her campaign from the start. Seems none market her to her demographics. It hurts now, since folks are so plugged into what’s flashy.
Hillary really needs a makeover. She’s not Mao, She’s not Chevez, She’s not the bag lady — she’s a 21st century 60ish woman who needs to be shown as such — style, grace and the strength to have endured all that life has thrown at her.
Agreed, I thought it was a joke.
Why didn’t they go with a new artist, rather than the same old same old?
WTH?
If they had played it right, they could have gone with a picture indicative of a new political age emerging, instead they go with the same old redundant dying old school consultant class mediocrity visage.
I hope she scraps it, and finds a real artist, more in tune with today’s zeitgeist.
Commies, right and left, don’t progress, ever.
Mary Ellen Mark, I like her photographs, THAT could have been an honest photo of Clinton.
Is she the one that did the B/W photo of Hillary against a solid black background?
Madame President needs a Madame President portrait. One more fitting to show world leaders, not to kids over hamburgers.
She’s not going to attract the teeny-boppers anyway (thank goodness!).
When John Edwards said the people have voted.I kept telling myself Yes in WV last night. Where were you under a rock? Your endorsing someone who lost by 41 points the night before.I will not follow in line and vote for Obama.This sweetie has a mind of her own.I guess we could start calling Obama BOY and say it was just a slip, sorry.Sweetie is a sexist remark how he used it.He is not for equal rights it shows when he interacts with people.He is not a uniter either.
The funny thing in his endorsment of Obama, Edward said more good things about Hillary than he could muster about BO. To me he seemed like he was apologizing for his act and shy about it. Well poor Edward we all know a man has to make money
some of the obama endorsers at first praised hillary in their public endorsement speeches.
they then went on to bash her at every turn much to the contrary of their first remarks.
his back stabbing was clear in his timing.
as one article related the prime time hillary moment stolen as the media ignored her and said
“hey look there’s john edwards” “hillary who?”
her win was suppressed and squashed by him.
that is his doing. in MICHIGAN yet. sheesh.
The karmic punishment for haircut boy – i hope he goes bald prematurely and has to do a combover.
can anybody photoshop a bald john edwards?
I’ve also noticed when the old school democrats speak of Obama on TV, they seem to lie.
Why?
If they feel Clinton is the superior canidae, who is not, in fact, Eva Peron (LOL) why are they lying for Barry?
$$$?
candidate, sorry, late night, and not enough coffee…
And doughnuts for breakfast…
HEH
Along with a batch of “heck of job” cream cheese brownies.
If you thought his 57 states remark was stupid, have you heard this? Barack Obama, Illinois Senator, does not know which states border his own. Ready for the Presidency? Just as ready as Dubya, apparently!
From taylormarsh.com
“(Obama) goes on:
“I think whoever the Democratic [nominee] is we’re going to have some work to do in a state like Kentucky,” Obama said.
Well, you will have a lot of work to do in Kentucky, Barack. And if you’re writing it off to Hillary now, why should anyone believe you will actually contest it against McCain later?
But even all this doesn’t compare to this doozy:
“What it says is that I’m not very well known in that part of the country,” Obama said. “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.”
No, this is not a made-up quote from The Onion. He actually believes this, apparently. Problem is, a quick glance at a U.S. map reveals that Illinois actually borders Kentucky and is clearly closer than Arkansas. Illinois is also closer to West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Obama has been scaring me with these frankly Bushian statements for months, and this one is a whooper.”
holy sh*t! he is spinning like a non-stop top and nobody ever calls him on it.
this is outstanding ignorance.
but if the great lakes are in oregon then obviously he is geographically challenged.
HA. I heard the statement and thought the same thing. What an idiotic display of ignorance about where the states are! It appears he’s not any better in math, being unable to count the popular vote. Let’s see: Geography, Math…what else did he flunk?
kentucky is the 57th state don’t cha know.
oh and the “turn appalachia blue” thread reminds us all that kentucky is going to count.
it is about the MAP.
send the superdelegates for obama MAPS since they obviously don’t know anything about the country they are supposed to represent.
Obama can win the city of chicago with a little help from his friends… but the rest of the map will look like the “last firetruck from hell rolling by”. (bob dylan quote)
He truly is amazingly uninformed on an array of issues. I know this is why it absolutely galls so many women that he’s being backed by the DNC. This guy is, honestly, not even prepared to be a good senator, nevermind president.
The blow-up with McCain and Bush over Bush’s remarks was embarassing. I wish Hillary had kept out of it. The guy’s ego is gigantic. All about him.
And what was so funny is that he reacted defensively over his own statements in the past.
The mistakes and goofs just keep coming.
Who is pressuring these people? What is the pressure?
Who is the Tom Delay clone doing this?
Did Karl Rove share his hooking point database and dossiers with Axelrod to help him out?
Some of them were using Jimmie Dale Guckert’s services?
Anybody curious?
Here’s the thing.
What the media is showing, and trying to shove down our throats, is a lie. Pure and simple. It is easy to tell who is watching the MSM and who isn’t. An analogy would be looking out the window and seeing a hurricane, hearing the wind, feeling the house shake, seeing the rain (reading the facts) and looking at the news and hearing that it is sunny and bright and there’s no wind atall (straight-up lying by the media).
This hurricane has been coming for a long time, and she’s called Senator Hillary Clinton. She’s going to shake things up and clean things out. If you pay attention to facts, and avoid the MSM, you know this, and you can’t be fooled.
I get a queasy feeling when I look at CNN and these other spinning ninnies. I suggest you do what I do and avoid them when at all possible. Use your time working to get the best damn presidential candidate in years into office – Senator Hillary Clinton!!
Excellent post and great advice!
awesome. this is one of the best metaphors yet. it makes so much sense. it is like someone telling you you are drinking coke when the liquid in front of you is orange… they can tell us all they want that it is coke, but the evidence is right there for us that it is orange juice and we will never buy it… media sucks
Just found the perfect video by Les33 over at HillaryClintonForum.net to illustrate why friends don’t let friends watch the MSM. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLJ8YsRU4E
When I got Edwards’ solicitation in my in-box immediately after his endorsement, I was so disgusted, I UNSUBSCRIBED from his list. It was clearly a quid pro quo for money lists. How pathetic.
You are absolutely correct! It is quid pro quo. See my comment below.
By the way, the Sun Queen would be the wife of the Sun King. That would be Marie Therese who was the short, plain, somewhat dim wife of a non-stop philanderer.
Just the mention of “Sun King” makes me cringe. That was a bitter song by Curt Smith (of Tears For Fears) about Roland Ozabel (of Tears For Fears) when they first broke up.
Bitter is an understatement…
Perfect for Obama, but not for Hillary.
Watch Out! This type of imagery is very dangerous and could well be a sign of what infects or is infecting the the Clinton camp (liberal fascist demagoguery) of perhaps the Obaminoids jumping ship to try and take over…This is why it is important that Hillary fight through the issues, and we realize that our fight is to make sure that she evolve into a President that will take on the economic power brokers of Wall Street who seek to destroy her campaign.
I think it’s spam.
Silly, really.
Anglachel’s Journal has a series of posts on Obama, the DNC, and Hillary. “Ponies, Cows and K Street” addresses Obama’s Chicago style politics and shows how he is “now trying to monopolize Democratic cash flow” by requesting his donors not provide money to other outlets besides himself so he [Obama] can dispense the money himself in exchange for loyalty and to punish opposition. Fascinating stuff.
A small irony-the DNC and Obama are seeking the educated, etc. voters. Remember Howard Dean’s comment in 2004 when he was seeking the Democratic nomination–he wanted the vote of those good old boys driving pickups with a gun rack in the cab? I had [note past tense] a friend teaching at a university who said to me, “Well! He [Dean] lost my vote.”
Dean must feel a little overwhelmed about now and at the mercy of forces he never wanted to support.
Colorado is beyond angry. Dean can’t get the money promised to Denver. The taxpayers are furious at the idea that they may have to pick up the tab.
I told the DNC to get the money from the new party and collect it in the urban and the youth.
I still think the Obama phenomenon is Karl Rove’s ultimate ratfuck.
You can’t be in politics for any length of time much less at that level and piss off that many people by accident.
Key decisions are being made by Rove’s operatives.
What set it off wasn’t even Rove’s plan: it was Dean et al, who staged SC as the start to grab the Black block vote. Only way to have done that with the Clinton’s record, is wait for a choice comment, and reframe Bill’s statement as “racist”.
From there on, race became THE topic of the campaign. Millions of folks educated at Ayer et al schools, who’ve been taught that “Dead White Men” are actually dead or dying, jumped on the “Me. Racist? No way” bandwagon and joined the PC campaign (yet another handicap — only certain groups have special+equal status, and those are Jews [which explains the backlash at Mel Gibson, for 2% of the population couldn't have caused that firestorm on their own]; and Blacks [Wash. Rinse. Repeat the Gibson treatment] — Oh, BTW, it’s coined “anti-semitic” and “racist” to say that too!).
From there it snowballed into every pissed off issue known, egged on by the goofballs in the MSM.
Even Rove couldn’t have created that mess. Republicans like neat orderly put downs. Not pissing off almost every demographic out there!
Dean et al along with Obama’s camp did all this on their own. Watching it is like watching a black comedy, but this time there’s more at stake than laughs.
It is Rumsfeldian. [and apologies for overdoing it with that analogy.]
I thought I would modify “are being made by Rove operatives” to something more iffy, but I clicked on ChrisXP’s link to the Mao poster.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doviende/1484517250/
Hmmm.
That is sabotage. Accidental? Unintentional? Could be.
Whatever it is, it’s like poison. Just not the type of imagery that needs to surround a 60ish mom, and former First Lady.
I’m pushing image, because the rest of the world is “Old World” (except for places like Australia). They’re into more traditional look, and having THE world leader look like a Recreate68 radical, just isn’t the image to pass around overseas — let alone about 50% of this country!
Alittle more style and grace. Hire a GOOD photographer, and one that brings out the sparkle in her eyes, not bags under them. Campaign trail photos don’t show her in the best of form, as lighting isn’t the best, and it’s tiring.
No Nixon 5 o’clock shadow stuff (seen enough of them online, makes her look more like a bag lady).
Someone, anyone, Please tell me where the other
seven states are located!!!
I’ve been going through all the history books and maps of the United States and I can’t find them anywhere.
If Obama says there are 57 states I believe him. He would never lie, not like those evil Clinton’s.
Please anyone help me find them for my own sanity.
I just heard a snippet of CSPAN’S Washington Journal- some genius has again come up with a list of American women who could become our nation’s first president- among the listed were Gov Sebelius, Gov Napolitano, etc. (even Chelsea Clinton..)
And I thought, what an empty, cynical exercise. We already HAVE a woman running for President who is far and away the best of the three candidates left standing- and she’s being buried by the sexism of the press and by a stuffed suit propped up by that same media. So as the first woman with a real shot at being President is kicked to the gutter, you come up with a list of women who could be next?
Go fuck yourselves, you shallow hypocrites. The next woman to run for President will go through the same shit Hillary did this year- as if there is another woman out there with one-tenth Hillary’s strength and fortitude. What the press really wants is for women to shrink from running for the next generation, like they were when Pat Schroeder stood before the cameras and bawled her head off. They like to pretend to endorse the idea of a female President, but only as an intellectual exercise. When a woman comes uncomfortably close? Slap her down with all the power you can muster.
And when she’s been crushed, offer up another list.
What I feel too.
T-h-i-s close, and the dogs want to treat her like a period at the end of a sentence — The End, over, gone.
Hillary has to stay in to the very last minute. Her base of voters won’t settle for less. As a possible CiC, she has to go all the way, too. People are watching, and if she trips on a domestic fight, doubts will grow if she could face a tougher foreign fight.
Read that she wanted to be an astronaut when NASA didn’t admit women and told her so. This time there’s no gender barrier — and it’s time a woman broke the last great glass ceiling.
All the way, Hillary!!
wow, they have quite a lot of audacity… this makes me sick… although i do believe that chelsea could be the second woman president, because her mom is going to be the first and she is going to be the only one who will know how to put up with all the sexist crap… so go hillary now 08!!! and chelsea, whenever it is she is old enough… chelsea is awesome
i love this article… this is how so many of us supporters are feeling. we know she stays in because otherwise the party will lose dismally in november. she is the only hope, no matter how much i hate saying that word, in keeping the party intact and keeping it on its agenda that it seems to be forgetting for empty words and promises. she is the only one who will keep the base from leaving the party if she is the nominee. she stays in because she knows otherwise the party will turn into a huge joke and half of it will leave. she is saving the party from disaster and they don’t even know it yet, but we do, and she does. so stick to your guns hillary save this party from it’s disillusionment and from it’s downfall….
DNC knew what it was doing dispensing those harsh and unrealistic punitive penalties to FL and MI — remember Fowler’s warnings in that video that it will come back to bite them. Well, it now looks like they knew what they were doing and they did not care. If the usual half the delegates penalty had been applied, it would have given Hillary tremendous momentum both in the popular vote count and delegate lead early on. And that is what they were trying to prevent from happening and knowing this now, there is no way we can support the corrupt DNC and vote for Obama. He will have to win without us.
Bud, I don’t like the Peron comparison, either.
My first choice for President was Sen Edwards.
Funny that his endorsement failed to influence me to support Sen Obama. What it actually achieved was my diminished feeling towards Sen Edwards.
Guess I viewed the endorsement as opportunism and politics as usual. Also maybe Sen Edwards envies Sen Clinton’s tanacity, courage and perseverance. Traits worthy of a leader of a great country.
Now my first and last choice is Sen Clinton.
Ditto, including the “my first choice for President was Sen Edwards” comment. I switched to Hillary only after Edwards dropped out. Now, I can’t imagine why I wasn’t with Hillary all along.
Probably because I wanted to win and I thought Edwards was the most electable candidate. The irony is that if Obama is the nominee, I’ll vote for McCain.
Yeah, I think this is all an attempt to poison the well, muddy the waters toward Sen Clinton, this will unfortunately be the next Obama wave, in addition to “ignoring.”
But it’s so dull, again, a whole weak system of ops based on the psychology of highly codependent teen age girls.
Wow.
And this from old men.
Psychology of the right = the psychology of highly codependent teen age girls?
This explains Rush, Rumsfeld, and the rest I suppose, now that I think of it.
How sad.
I don’t like that picture of hillary with the sun in the background, except perhaps as a mockery of Obama’s cult of personality posters.
Does anybody know who Dino Rossi is? Totally creepy, the Republicans put a huge black and white framed picture of him in the back of a car, surrounded by roses for our parade. It looked like a memorial or an ode to a dictator or something.
I hate this kind of politics. We’re electing human beings, not messiahs, not dictators. People have lost their fricken minds. The US used to believe that all men were created equal, that nobody was above the law, that we don’t believe in the idea of kings and gods.
heya, dino rossi (r) is the guy who ran against christine gregoire (d) in washington state for governor in 04.
it was the race where there were only 543 or so votes difference between them. they counted it the first time but it was within the margin for an automatic revote, then they counted again and christine was ahead, but rossi did not like that, so they counted again and christine was still ahead. at that point rossi would have had to put his own money into a recount, so he did not and christine won.
i live in va now, but lived in wa the rest of my life, so i was there when this happened.
it is one of those cases where you realize that with a 543 vote difference your vote really does matter…
but mostly i could not stand rossi… he was this business guy who refused to talk about issues other than the 3 his team chose to talk about so the debate was really bad for him. christine was obviously the better leader because she was willing to talk about all issues like a governor should. a governor cannot just deal with 3 topics in order to run a state. so he was a huge joke in my book cause he would have made a horrible governor.
so they are running him again since he got so close to gregoire that time, although now that she is the incumbent and has done so much good there and responded quickly to all problems, people will stick with her this time.
although i myself if i was there, would actually have a huge problem voting for her since she has now endorsed obama… but in the long run in that case all the good she has done and how much i can’t stand arrogant rossi, i would still vote for her, although i would write her a note saying i have loved everything you have done for the state, but cannot figure out for the life of me why you would endorse obama a rossi clone….
“If Clinton wasn’t still challenging”. Interesting. It seems Mr. Uniter can’t unite anything only by our submission to the group think. It is our fault that we do not submit to Mr. Unity and Mr. Healer.Good for us.
The reality…Mrs. Clinton is still challenging and with good reason..get over it.
The leadership Barak Obama offers.
No more debates
No more Town Hall meetings to talk with the little people.
No more traveling to difficult states.
No more talking to reporters, sweetie.
Is he going to show up for the general election?
Dear LARRY, CAN’T WE DO SOMETHING??? I am so ——- sick of these obama SS taking over the communications industry, I am about to throw up my Sunday breakfast. After seeing this Am’s MSM spin on his Tuesday coronation in Iowa, I went to check the Oregon polls. At realpolitics there was no poll listed as taken since a week ago.
I knew that taylormarsh put up a video last night of HILL’s great results and press at the ORE Town Hall. But when I clicked the video taylor posted just last night – it was blank with a message “this video is no longer available (?). .. so I went to youtube and found the original video.
I knew that Hill was up in ORE because I’d been tracking the work done by “Pacific Joe” – who I heard about on some blog. I didn’t bookmark him but have been going to his page, via google, every night this week. He kept reporting that Hillary was moving up, via last minute deciders. So, I decided to see what he had to say today.
INSTEAD THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED: Googled Pacific Joe (as I’ve done every day this week and where he would come right up as the 1st two listings. THIS AM, INSTEAD, Pacific Joe WAS GONE from Google – absolutely vanished, made invisible, removed from existence. Instead, it was like going to the yellow pages and getting a blast of who they want to sell, instead of the item you requested.
I tried 3x using all different headers and get pages of unrelated junk, from construction companies to Trader Joe’s.
I’ve seen for awhile how the bo campaign HAS BEEN MANIPULATING GOOGLE on an ongoing basis ALWAYS HIGHLY SELECTIVELY to negate what you are looking for and/or to provide the OPPOSITE of what you are looking for – like you ask for mobama’s never proud remark and instead get a list of great press on her, etc.etc.
Went 3 pages deep and NO Pacific Joe. So they want to hide, and therefore discourage ORE undecided voters and HILL workers, to hold down our progress. WHAT I DON’T GET IS HOW THE HELL THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS???!!!
THERE MUST BE SOME LAWS on the books somewhere this is violating! This goes way beyond standard marketing techniques of getting your search engine highly placed. IT IS THE INTENTIONAL obliteration of public information and MISDIRECTION of reply to public inquiries.
Larry, please address this.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ideas/?sc=1774&utm_source=1774&utm_medium=e
Please let Hillary’s campaign know you hate the sun picture. Thanks.
I’m not Hispanic. But if I were, I’d be rightly pissed off that Obama thinks that all it takes is a ’swing through Hispanic enclaves’ to win me over, now that he, the DNC, Bill Richardson, and Obama’s campaign have disrespected me by only coming to me after he supposedly gets the nomination.
Obama can’t win voters over on his track record or character, he can only do it by throwing millions of dollars for ads, talking in platitudes, and paying off super delegates, oh.. and promising the VP job to people like Richardson.
This is so insulting.
“If, for a moment, we turn off the volume on Obama’s cheerleaders in the media and consider the results of Pennsylvania and West Virginia (41 point landslide!), it’s clear that Obama is the far weaker candidate to face McCain.”
Just as long as you ignore every fact that goes against your thesis, such as Obama’s numerous landslides that put him in the lead.
“‘David Broder laments …’ I’m not Hispanic. But if I were, I’d be rightly pissed off that Obama thinks …”
Is it typical of Clinton supporters that they can’t tell the difference between David Broder and Barack Obama?
“these obama SS taking over the communications industry … ’ve seen for awhile how the bo campaign HAS BEEN MANIPULATING GOOGLE on an ongoing basis ALWAYS HIGHLY SELECTIVELY to negate what you are looking for and/or to provide the OPPOSITE of what you are looking for ”
You people are completely and utterly whacked. They keep telling us to take the high road, build bridges, reach out a hand … but to this vile hateful dimwitted garbage? No thanks.
“If Obama says there are 57 states I believe him. He would never lie, not like those evil Clinton’s.”
He said 57 when he meant 47 — there was one more to go, and Alaska and Hawaii weren’t included? Does that make him a liar? No, it makes you and the swine who harp on this the lowest of low creatures.