The Sun Queen and a Very Real Contest
By Bud White on May 17, 2008 at 11:25 PM in ABC News, Advertising, Barack Obama, Clinton, Commander in Chief, Credentials Committee, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Electability, Electoral College, George Stephanopoulos, Hillary Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Kentucky, MSNBC, Media Bias, Meet The Press, Pennsylvania, Popular Vote, Presidential Candidates, Superdelegates, This Week, West Virginia
According to Obama supporters and his allies in the media, Hillary is finished and the nomination is securely in Obama’s hands. David Broder laments that “If Clinton weren’t still challenging, [Obama] could easily devote a week to a swing through Hispanic enclaves from California to New York.” But Hillary is challenging and I take Hillary at her word that she believes she can win.
Hillary is telling her supporters that this race isn’t about the math, it’s about the map. She is well aware that she is much more likely to beat Mcain than Obama.
The endorsement of Obama by John Edwards dampened the hopes of many Hillary supporters. But Hillary is running hard and making some very interesting last-minute moves.
So, what is happening in Camp Hillary right now? Consider the picture prominently featured on Hillary’s Web site:
Hillary as Sun Queen — beautiful, strong, iconic — is a rather unusual move at the end of a campaign. She radiates power, empathy, and the vulnerability of John F. Kennedy and is strikingly similar to another woman of the people, Eva Peron:
Her conference call with bloggers on Friday was a move more normally associated with a campaign’s kick-off than the final few weeks. Also on Friday she began running an ad in Oregon which specifically targets Obama’s biggest supporters in the media:
What we’re seeing, I suspect, is another New Hampshire moment where there’s a disconnect between the media’s desire to quickly anoint Obama and the reality that this is a very tight campaign in which Hillary has a legitimate path to the nomination. I believe that Hillary remains in the race because she knows the state of the race better than the media or the neo-liberal bloggers. She knows what many super delegates are telling her in private; the fact that she will do very well in Kentucky and Puerto Rico; the potential for Obama to implode; and the imminent decision on how Michigan and Florida will be seated.
Although it’s a minority view, there are pundits out there who see a scenario where Hillary wins. Jay Cost of Real Clear Politics writes:
I will predict that West Virginia will be either her best or her second best finish, behind only Arkansas. Kentucky should come in right behind the two. This alone should be enough to induce some caution. I think it is too hasty to declare her finished just days before two of her three best states.
If, for a moment, we turn off the volume on Obama’s cheerleaders in the media and consider the results of Pennsylvania and West Virginia (41 point landslide!), it’s clear that Obama is the far weaker candidate to face McCain. The Clinton Team knows this to be true. They know Hillary will be ahead in the popular votes. And that without the DNC’s self-destructive but intentional games with Michigan and Florida, Hillary would have spent months with an “insurmountable” delegate lead and the nomination. Remember, Hillary was counted out before New Hampshire. Unless she says so, there is still a very real contest, and with Hillary we could win the White House this year.
As riverdaughter writes:
she’s not getting out of the race, not when she’s winning in the popular vote by more than 50,000 votes. There’s still Kentucky, Oregon, South Dakota, Montana and Puerto Rico and more voters to help her put some distance between herself and Obama. So, she’s in it to win it. And why shouldn’t she? She’s won more of the crucial states than he has.
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ATTENTION ALL DOGS!…My 3 Discuss the Issues, Decide to Endorse Hillary! (and pose for pics, too!)
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Very important announcement!!!!~
my dog supports hillary too because she would fight for rescued dogs like my own… and if my dog had gone to a pound we would have lost one of the most beautiful dogs you have ever seen.. she is a great dane greyhound mix… lean, tall, sleek, fast, prancy… she loves hillary for fighting on - the way that my dog she battled heart worm and lives to tell about it… my dog is one smart cookie and so we are with hillary all the way
My increasingly bitter dog HARRY supports Hillary…He’s an 11 yr. old golden retriever….He was a Clinton/Gore dog too….He sat out Kerry…
** KERRY TURNED MY DOG….BITTER….OBAMA MADE IT WORSE **
LOL*…….I was not entirely sorry Kerry lost.
I knew it meant more war, too. Lordy, but that guy was the epitomy of uninspiring!
My westie Jack is sooo for Hillary. He likes her plans for universal pre-school, get those kids out of his fur!!! And he wants them fed well too, he get his kibble, and he suspects what it’s like to go hungry. HIllary is for all kids, all over the whole entire world, and Jack, he likes kids a lot, even if he’d like a break now and then. Dog is my co-pilot and that why Jack and I will love having a girly dog loving president, who’s really female too.
I was an avid Edwards supporter..but it sickened me what he did this week right after Hillary’s huge win in West Virginia..it made me ill..so much so that i refued to watch it..i shut the tv off and i went out for a drink..And i will tell you if that was damping..i say bullshit..it made me fire engine angry an pissed beyond belief..it showed me Edwards is nothing but a damned liar.
He will never get another moment of my time or another damn dime of my money..he got enough of my money this year…and i call it highway robery now!
When i think of people i could have helped with that money it makes me sick!
A family could have had great health insurance for a year with that money..
who the fuck does he think he is kidding…
no, i would not say dampen….not at all…i would say resolve..resolve to do everything i can to see Obama run back to his crooks in Chicago with his tail between his coward legs!..what pitiful so called men these are…
i remember while raising my son i would say..do you want to be a man or a mouse..
those two people are not men ..they are mice…stinking slimy mice.
Neither one could win it against a woman without doing a male pile on…what fucking cowards!
fly
Edwards is a loner who only makes choices that help his own ambition. Every move he makes is calculated.
There is an eerie robo insensitivity in his nature.
I supported him until that “pile-on” debate. He had no idea what a bully he looked like by joining in on a pack bang.
The tip off that this guy is self serving is his endorsement of conservative, right-leaning Obama.
Clinton’s proposals, and outlook are closer to what Edwards espouses, he endorsed the more conservative Obama.
Edward’s ‘08 platform is faked. He took over Dean’s niche because it looked like the direction that would get him elected.
In 4 years between elections, what did the guy do for the poor, he claims to care for so much?
Nothing!
He worked on his campaign the entire time.
His spending a solid year in Iowa prior to the caucuses is the tipoff to me that he is near crazy with obsession and personal ambition.
Only recently did he run down to Jimmy Carter’s project to help, because he knows he has to have some kind of credit on his resume, besides being a professional presidential candidate.
JOHN EDWARDS….IS A PUTZ….nuff said….
Fly, after we run him back to Chicago, can we help Patrick Fitzpatrick get him ready a nice new orange jumpsuit?
Losing this contest isn’t enough.
Justice of the ultimate orange after dispensing all that orange kool-aid is pure instant karma.
Obama and Blogovitch are named in the REZKO INDICTMENT….
Blagovitch will be impeached….Obama will be next…..
The jumpsuit has already been measured and is being made….
I lost respect for Edwards. Funny how his wife wasn’t there. Thought they were joined at the hip.
Maybe she couldn’t stomach the craven opportunism of it all.
Does Edwards really think that Obama will keep his “poverty tour” promise if McCain is banging him on NATIONAL SECURITY? I mean, really. What if the landscape changes–and funny how the GOP always come up with an OCTOBER surprise.
Let’s not talk about that dirty bomb attack, or that scary city bombing, or that suicide bomber, or some other dumbass asymetrical effort at fearmongering, because I promised John I’d ride through Appalachia and talk down to the poor dirty uneducated caucasians who are “low information voters?” Give me a break.
Like Obama keeps his word, anyway–his history in Chicago in local politics shows he’ll do what he has to do to win, and that includes screwing over someone he’s made promises to.
One interesting thing about this race–it really has pointed out to me something that I really didn’t really see, or notice, up to now. A lot of men are AFRAID of decisive women. They’re SCARED SHITLESS of Clinton, because she’s smarter, stronger and tougher. And only someone with issues would think that her strength somehow “takes away” from their own.
And there are a few women who are JEALOUS of her. Which is pretty fucking stupid, too. I mean, come on–she’s not gonna take your man, now, is she?
Most of these voters are on Team Obama, too–talk about “low information!” They’re too busy tossing sexist slurs and popping their zits to garner any real information beyond slogans and bullshit.
Most importantly, the media will NOT COVER this dynamic–because in order to do it, they have to admit that they are a BIG PART of the misogynist PROBLEM.
Obama did so much to reduce poverty in his district, if your name was Rev.Wright, he sent money your way and back.
What about the 1.8 mill mansion?
Rev. Wrights house isn’t in barkys district, he wouldn’t want to live there. Too many bitter poor people being put down by the man.
I’m wondering who Elizabeth Edwards will endorse?
It certainly can’t be Obama, not with his healthcare plan.
I don’t think she disagrees with him. I do think she’s focused on health care and agrees with me that it was highly irresponsible of Obama to use fear-mongering as a tactic against Hillary’s plan.
That pollutes the will of the people to get a true universal plan through.
Other than that? I suspect she’s pro-Obama.
I believe John admitted he and Elizabeth voted differently after he did the Obama endorsement.
Seems she would have gone with him to MI or spoken out with her support if she was on the same side he is.
fly, contact Edwards and tell him you want your money back, that you didn’t support him vocally and financially so he could turn around and make a low-blow endorsement. Besides, he has enough money and it sounds like he approves of any plan MO and BO might have to spread it around.
and that’s the truth. But it isn’t over, she can’t count on the old boys, and she can count on the media to use every ugly adjective for her, and she can count on Barack to run against her, probably the real reason he has to try to keep her off his ticket, he’s not through running against her, and as usual girls who seek power jobs get smeared in the most disgusting of terms. Bro’s, you may win this one, but time is ticking on your clock. I’d say that if you give it to Barack and he loses, you bought it, you own it.
Someplace somewhere - probably here cause it’s one of the sanest places on the web - I said that all Edwards would do is make LOTS and LOTS of women so flaming angry that you would never quite recognize them again - I mean it was so well timed for and extreme reaction from me but very badly timed as a good tool for Obama except for IN THE VERY SHORT TERM. Which makes me thinnk that this guy only has a short term space in his head (Obama and Edwards fit that description).
All of it is so opportunistic that if you saw nothing else this whole campaign, all you needed to see was that. Surely, Edwards had been in Obama’s bag for a long time but they didn’t feel they needed him until the other day. So my response to that is that is that they were far more spooked by West Virginia than anyone let on. And I mean spooked.
And now I am responding to my own comment. The degree to which there is nothing to Obama is actually getting scarier and scarier. Who the hell is really pulling these strings on this puppet. We know Axelrod but there’s a couple levels behind this that would be far more telling. Axelrod works for a living, somebody else is paying him. Who the hell is running the show?
I’d remove the Eva Peron picture.
Eva Person makes for a decent musical, but does not make for a positive political metaphor.
Not at all.
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Ditto, positive is not something I’d associate with Peron.
Besides she created a cult of the personality around like Barky, hardly something to crow about.
I am commenting exactly on the Hillary Team’s use of iconic imagery to counter Obama’s cult of personality. I’m not discussing Argentinian history.
Evita is pure Madonna, ew…
I saw that sun background used for Obama way before I saw it here for Hillary, and I have to tell you, it totally creeped me out. It doesn’t creep me out with Hillary so much, since her supporters aren’t trying to be in a cult, but I still don’t think it’s a good graphic.
Hillary looks nice and all that, but I think she needs to steer clear of the Obama-type marketing. Comparing her with Eva Peron is also not the direction I think her campaign needs to go.
***I saw that sun background used for Obama way before I saw it here for Hillary, and I have to tell you, it totally creeped me out.***
I agree. Obama has a skateboarder guy who designed his in this same style. Looks too much like the old communist stuff, for my taste.
She’s not staring at you in that pic, that’s why it doesn’t creep you out. None of that “LOOK INTO MY EYES….OBEY…OBEY!!!” cult shit.
It’s a nice little artsy-fartsy Warholish treatment.
Makes for a change.
Don’t put more into it than it is.
IMO.
I don’t like the HRC poster either…not at all. it reminded me too much of Obama’s.
*Peron
While Mr. Cost’s observation “I think it is too hasty to declare her finished just days before two of her three best states.” is correct, I believe that he is missing the point. If the voting population believes that Clinton is finished, then the prophecy might be self-fulfilling. So the Obama campaign, supporters and MSM push that theme for all that they are (not) worth. Fortunately for the Clinton campaign and supporters, people have seen enough lying MSM and lying politicians to question both. As we have seen at NQ, if there is one thing that Obama can’t stand is people asking serious questions about him.
I think that the media by pushing Obama’s candidacy 24/7 as the next messiah have done him more harm than good and they are responsible for turning off millions of Americans who would otherwise tune in to get the news. Voters see it as piling on. After all Hillary and Bill Clinton are the two most famous people in the world and we already believe we know them well enough. For the media to repeat the Obama racist meme and then give him a pass on his own racist statements is appalling. What the media doesn’t say is that there are about 200 SD’s who have not made up their minds and will not until the primaries are over. Hillary should continue to run because in these times we need the best President–not some flawed Amateur.
The thing about delegates is, they can do a nice show on a time release but the truth is, nobody has ANY superdelegates until the second vote at the convention. The bottom line is, I promise you my vote but that can change. Just as we have seen them “switch,” we understand that “committed” means “committed for now”. A superdelegate can switch five times if he wants to. It’s lip service, even if the SD means it…at the time. That is why I keep saying that August is a long time away.
The one thing that Clinton absolutely should not do is drop out. And it appears that she knows this.
Right On Uppity!
Things can change…s**t happens.
Wouldn’t it be lover-ly to see this all play out on the 2nd ballot?
Barky’s babies would be so embarassed.
Imagine the righteous indignation!
Someone would first have to explain what was going on…
Well said, flyarm. Have noticed that many of us, like yourself, have become MORE, not less determined, by every dirty ploy they use, thinking in their insane illogic that they are ‘winning us over’. Though I admired edwards, I never had contact with his campaign. The night of his phony endorsement, I was suddenly one of millions who received his bs email request for donations. At first mystified (why/how did he contact me - I don’t even know him?) we then figured out the common link:
All of us who got his bogus solitication email had SENT PROTESTS to the DNC - and what we got back for our carefully written e-letters were an ongoing onslaught of requests to send money to the DNC. We couldn’t even get off their list - like fishes they had hooked. Quickly became clear that DNC then handed over our email addresses to edwards.So, I emailed edwards blog return address with another protest and within a few minutes received an email from them thanking me for my comment and telling me where to email to arrange for edwards to SPEAK in my community. lol but disgusting. They treat us in such an inhuman way, they don’t even read the contents of our complaints OR even take note that we want them to leave us alone.
I just sent a hard mailer to all undecided SDs whom I could get contact info for. Took me 3 weeks to prepare and cost me a bundle but I’m keeping FAITH that some will actually read the contents. Interesting what I discovered in the course of researching SD addresses: When Terry Mc (now with HILL) was DNC chair (2004) a complete list of contact info was posted, online, for all Committee members. Now, under Dean’s so-called ‘bottom-up” approach, contact info to the public for these VITAL national figures is no longer available! Is there a word for the ‘opposite of transparency?’
LARRY, ISN’T THERE SOME WAY THAT THIS IS ILLEGAL? They are so tramping over our 1st ammendment rights - in several ways, ongoing. I’ve heard there are various laws related to internet misuse in different states. This week, that mom who used myspace for psychological warfare on her daughter’s classmate (poor girl committed suicide as a result) was much i the news this week. And they think they have a good case against her.
I don’t think this is much different than the —- they’ve been doing to us. Just read that Daily Kos ‘declared’ in March that the Democratic primary is a ‘CIVIL WAR’ - IF SO, only because he and his ilk have made it such - and clearly are the new version of hitler’s SS, acting behind the scenes with complicit coordination to bo’s nicey nice public campaign.
LARRY ISN’T THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THESE PERSONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR 1ST AMEND RIGHTS???Their interference in our blogging and misuse of our personal information is like a psychological form of waterboarding - drown our spirit, disrupt and distort our communications, try to choke out our voices. Please, Larry, comment on this.
yeah i would think paying bloggers to write pro obama stuff in all different pro hillary sites would be trespassing and/or fraud in some way…
So, you think Edwards got all our email addresses from the DNC as enticement for his endorsement to over-shadow Hillary’s WV win? I couldn’t figure out if it was his own old list from his Presidential site (I had emailed him when he withdrew asking him to support Hillary), or if it was Obama’s list (I have emailed him scolding messages), or the DNC (who I regulary email complaints to).
I did the reply to on the email I got, as well, but instantly got an Out of Office message reply saying they had shut down that email address. I figured they had gotten a mailbox full of complaints after the endorsement.
I thought they couldn’t share email address lists unless they had provided an opt in option to everyone. I don’t remember having to register to the DNC site in order to email them, which seems like they violated something in the privacy laws if they shared our addresses. Especially if it was a bribe or enticement to get his endorsement.
Fly,
I am with you.
Hillary is our best choice! Let us do not let anyone push her around.
Let us to do whatever we can to help her to get more vote this weekend.
Get every vote is important right now!
Action is the road to win !
Call! Call! Call! http://www.hillaryclinton.com/
the calling response is tremendous. They had to add new lists everybody had been contacted once already.
keep calling, some people will tell you they are sick of all the calls but there are still voters that haven’t been reached that still have their ballots sitting there gathering dust.
She needs every vote.
it is now or never.
Edwards himself has said that endorsements don’t mean much and that voters make up their own minds, and I agree. As a former Edwards supporter, I did find the timing of the endorsement suspect, and when I actually listened to his speech, and realized that he didn’t give any reasons to support Obama specifically, only Democrats in general, I was nonplussed. I think after the initial attention of that endorsement wears off (if it hasn’t already) the playing field won’t be greatly changed.
I am so going to enjoy watching the floundering Tuesday evening of all of those who told us this thing was over. Especially if Hillary keeps it close in Oregon. The reality of it is that Hillary still has real strengths in upcoming contests, even if Timmeh tries to get us to ignore the facts.
Edwards’ endorsement was just like everyone (and I mean everyone) elses.
Full of hopey/changey bullshit but completely content free. Never pointing to experience or policy. I find it very sad. I find Hillary both inspiratonal and packed to the hilt with tangibles. The Obambi endorsements all talk about how he makes the endorser feel. If you don’t happen to feel it, the your shit outta luck because there is nothing to appeal to the rational, empiric voter who just mght want a little more content
Superdelegates and the media need to open their eyes and stop coddling a loser.
Hillary is ahead in the popular vote. Remember what Pelosi said “the will of the people”.
Hillary is ahead in electoral votes. The ones it takes to win in November.
Hillary won most of the big states, again needed to win in November.
Obama ticked off FL and MI by blocking their votes, which Hillary won overwhelmingly. Say what you want, the fact is Hillary won FL and MI.
Obama ticked off TX voters by reversing Hillary’s win in the primary with his corrupt caucuses. People don’t like to be pushed, blocked, threatened, have documents stolen, etc. and forced out of caucuses unable to vote or have their vote overturned through corruption.
Buyers remorse is setting in. People are realizing Obama is a lot of hot air with no record of accomplishments, very poor judgement based on the fact that it took him 20 years to figure out his preacher is a racist, anti-American adulterer, when it took Oprah a very short time.
And, based on his deals with indicted Rezko, his money laundering with other Chicago crooks. And, his long-time friend and boss who help him launch his campaign, the unrepentant terrorist bomber, Ayers. The money men, Auchi, the Iraqi billionaire, the PLO people, and others.
And, his continual lying about Hillary, her programs, plans, and thoughts. Lying about his stand on Iraq, past and present. He didn’t hear the preacher, then he did. He “doesn’t” take lobbyist money. He tells Canada don’t listen to him, it’s only political rhetoric, and on and on.
The superdelegates should realize that the popular vote represents the will of the people.
The electoral votes represent the chance of winning in November.
The pledged delegate system is totally inequitable, corrupt, and meaningless.
Well the thing is, NEITHER of them will have the proper number of pledged delegates by August. That’s because Florida and Michigan are not in the mix. You either put those delegates in the mix as is, or you don’t. You can’t arbitrarily “play” with those numbers. It’s just plain subjective and probably not even legal. If seated as-is, Obama can cry foul. If arbitrarily divided, Clinton can cry foul. So what’s the next scenario that can possibly be used? Popular vote.
There’s a good article on River Daughter’s blog
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/cokie-roberts-sees-the-light/
that gives Cokie Roberts’ opinion on the DNC leadership and why they want Obama as the nominee. It’s worth reading.
Here’s a quote from Roberts: “So why don’t Democratic leaders and superdelegates face these facts and shift to Clinton? One reason is race. It’s true, as Obama says, that being black in America has hardly been a political asset, given the fact that he’s the only African-American in the U.S. Senate. But at this time, in this party, being black is an enormous asset. Given America’s long, torturous path toward racial justice, many Democrats simply cannot imagine denying the nomination to the first serious African-American candidate for president. From a moral perspective, that’s a noble judgment. From a political perspective, it could cost Democrats the White House.”
And this quote is directly from River Daughter: “But this is Obama’s secret weapon, and Hillary supporters have known this for some time. Those that have been bold enough to make such an argument have been lambasted by Obama’s race-baiting campaign and his allies in the media (ask Geraldine Ferraro). It has gotten so crazy that if you try to point out any weakness in “The One”’s campaign, you risk being labled a racist. Well, this ploy is not working with more than half of us in the Democratic Party anymore. And as for it working on the Republicans? Yeah, good luck with that.”
I’m afraid that both Roberts and River Daughter are spot on with this. If the party leadership pushes to nominate Obama just to appease those who want a candidate based on race and nothing else, we will lose the White House and John McCain will be our president.
There are far fewer white Americans in this country who feel guilt over racial inequalities than the media and DNC leadership would want you to believe. These people will vote based on experience and proven leadership, and their fear that Obama has neither. And as Paul Belaga(sp.?) told Donna Brazile, “Obama will not win the White House with the AA, college kids and affluent white vote.”
But I’m (we’re) beating a dead horse here. I think the DNC leadership is blind to anything but their own POV and will not change, even if it means losing the White House.
If Hillary could use the delegates from all “57″ states she probably could catch Obama in the delegate race too. Where is Obama hidding the other seven states?
Hillary has a GRASS ROOTS movement, NOT a cult (totally different criterion.) And, notice, as another commented Hillary’s LOOKING upward for guidance, NOT grinning out at some mesmerized mob. Also, the colors are totally different than bo’s phoney messiah poster - color communicates a message. So I get that some don’t get it - but I love it anyway. We look up to Hillary (and doesn’t it feel good to finally have someone to really inspire us?) and she looks up to a higher power. Which oboma only claims- while he does the exact opposite. I’m buying the poster. I like having her around, reminds me to have faith and strength too.
Goes well with another obscure piece I found last night:
(from a Hollywood fundraiser in 2007. 1st published in Men’s Vogue by only reporter in the inner circle of event:
“When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. “This guy was president before I was,” says Obama, referring to Freeman’s turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio.
Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty (obama then said): “This guy was God before I was.”
http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2007/04/status_report_obama?currentPage=1
YES, you heard that right. Way back in 2007 he declared himself not only President- but GOD!
RE 57 STATES
Go to Atlasshrugged for your answer: says there are 57 muslim states… as a face reader, when I saw video of bo’s blooper, I most noticed that he looked more like he was REMEMBERING information than making an error… SO this explanation makes horrifying sense.
Remember, despite attempts to try to make little of the fact, he grew up with a muslim step-dad and went to muslim school in Indonesia. muslim schools are very strict and steadfast about religious indoctrination daily - when kids are at very impressionable age. Obama was NOT making a silly mistake - he was remembering what he had learned about the ‘nation’ he really identifies with - and conceals!
Worst part is overlooked part of his comment. Watch here - when he adds “and one left to go” (?). Concerned that that would be US!
Video of obama’s public statement in Oregon:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
One of several verifications of WHO has 57 states, this one with lucid commentary:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/57-islamic-stat.html
PLEASE CUT AND PASTE THESE 2 LINKS and help make this clear connection to the real truth VIRAL. Send to news outlets, your email list, and POST on other blogs. We can help to WAKE UP those in denial, still, and not yet aware.
This is from a blogger at a pro-Hillary website http://www.savagepolitics.com
PS - HERE IS MY STATEMENT TO THOSE THINKING OF WRITING IN HILLARY - IF SHE ISN’T THE NOMINEE AND DOESN’T RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT:
You are giving the election to Barack Obama. You might as well just vote for him.
Elections are won by getting the most votes.
Elections are not won by preventing the most votes.
The only candidate likely to win an election is either the Democrat or the Republican.
If you do not want a particular person in you must vote AGAINST THAT PERSON regardless of how you feel about the opposition.
To do otherwise just lowers the Final Total needed to win.
If McCain fails to receive enough votes because folks stayed home or wrote in someone that can only get 10M (of the 61M needed to win) you have just made it much easier for your enemy to win the election.
For Hillary supporters - without Hillary running OFFICIALLY she will never get enough votes to win.
Obama will split her votes without losing ANY of his base voters. Fewer votes cast for McCain means less votes he needs to win.
You are playing right into his hands by writing in people, or staying home.
The most votes RECEIVED wins the election. Period.
also saw a post on savagepolitics.com saying that in some states if you write in someone, such as hillary, and the state doesn’t recognize write-ins, they just automatically give your vote to the democratic candidate. so writing in hillary could be giving a vote TO obama!!! the worst possible result.
hope everyone checks out their state’s rules before writing in hillary.
i’ll be voting mccain if obama’s nominated. that costs him the vote i would otherwise be giving to the dem nominee, plus gives one to the repub, thereby hurting him twice. works for me.
That one is hard for me to believe.
agree. hope it’s wrong. saw the post, though, and it got me worried. won’t affect me, as i’m just going to vote mccain and not take any chances on the obamajerk winning.
I somewhat agree. That is why I would vote McCain. But even with a write in, you reduce Obama’s number of votes while not hurting McCain’s number. To think otherwise is to imagine that a boatload of republicans will vote for Barack Obama. I didn’t believe that game before and I still don’t believe it. Even moderate Republicans would vote for McCain. The uber conservatives may not like him but they surely aren’t going to vote for Obama. Then there are all the moderate democrats who will not vote for Obama, as what happened with McGovern. Then there are the disinfranchised groups.
The important thing is NOT to stay home! It is important to have a strong number of voters against Obama to make a statement. Writing in Hillary won’t increase McCain’s vote count, but it WILL hurt Obama. Also remember, Ralph is in the mix again. He’s good for a couple of percentage points and he hurts Obama. But voting McCain really increases his take and makes Obama look even worse. So I can see where that person is coming from.
A vote for McCain is like two votes against Obama
It’s the most electoral votes that win - not the most popular votes. Realize the traditional view is that a 3rd party candidate cannot win, but this is hardly a traditional election year.
Don’t be so quick, following outworn brain pathways, to insist the old ways hold true. If the founders of this country went along with that kind of thinking, we wouldn’t even be here now.
What I find really interesting about this post is that while I vehemently disagree with Republicans on a whole host of issues I have never, ever considered them to be my enemies. We have a difference of opinion that is all. To think of John McCain as my enemy stretches all credibility in my thinking. He is a damned fine American by any standard as is Hillary Clinton. On the other hand, Obama is very questionable. I still don’t consider him my enemy but it becomes more apparent every day that I am certainly his enemy (40 year old white male who works for a living.)
Love the Peter Max of Senator Clinton.
There fighters then there is senator Clinton.
NARAL lit the fire on a growing movement against Obama.
The ‘won’t vote for Obama’ movement was just getting started and needed a catalyst like this to coalesce.
More websites have popped up in addition to petitions pledging not to vote for Obama.
The DNC and Obama have treated Hillary Clinton with amazing disrespect. Women have had it. And, their fathers, husbands, and sons agree.
Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned.
There won’t be any backing off.
Hillary is ahead in the popular vote and in the electoral votes.
The delegates are based on a corrupt caucus system and are further corrupted by Obama’s thugs going in and pushing, blocking, throwing out, and threatening voters.
TX is a prime example of some of this mayhem. Hillary won the legitimate Texas primary, but “somehow” lost the delegates. Delegates are useless, corrupt, and meaningless.
If Hillary is denied the nomination we would rather put up with 4 years of McCain, who will have his hands tied by a Democratic Congress, than put up with a corrupt, lying, cult leader who has no experience whatsoever.
And, believe me, WE MEAN IT.
yes, we do!!!
for my entire adult life i opposed the GOP.
That I am now watching McCain’s speeches, reading his website and thinking of Kerry asking him to be VP because he was so centrist is personally alarming to me.
I can’t fathom it yet, and I will not make up my mind till November, but that it is even in my mind is an indication of how much I detest ob.
and yes, if it comes down to the unthinkable in 5 and a half months from now… it is actually something we have to consider. shudder.
I have a rather nice name for a website that’s been floating around my head. I wish someone would use it:
BEATTHEBASTARD.COM
GUARANTEED!!
Let Obama crown himself (Mission Accomplished) and have Hillary in the background. Behind the scenes.
The nominee is not appointed until the end of August when the votes are cast.
A lot can happen between now and then.
After declaring victory with honor, the heat will descend on Obama. Everyone will be watching to see how he handles himself.
If Fitzpatrick makes Rezko sing, the Democratic Gov of Illinois will go down. He was Rezko’s first choice for president; Obama was second. Having the entire political scene in Chicago turned upside down in the midst of an election (in which the Dem. Gov. replaced the corrupt Repub one and was to have cleaned house) will not be good for either party since both the Daley machine (Axelrod is a part of it) and some Republicans are equal opportunity feeders at the public trough.
Obama’s “guilt” by association, even if he was just making a deal with Rezko (who was bankrupt at that time) to obtain a side yard for his mansion, will be disillusioning to those who bought Axelrod’s Hope+Change(TM) ad campaign.
It might be a different climate come end of August, and the race is very close.
the house is a side story. the campaign donations and how obama lied and returned them in tiny increments as they were found out is more to the point. it was his pretending he was not a close friend of rezko’s and his lies about his distance and as the truth came out that he and rezko went to the house together and that obama was actually at the Auchi party and toasted him.
it is that obama denied it all then admitted it when confronted at each step only what was discovered to date.
THAT MAN… Lived in my neighborhood… a few thousand… all the lies to cover up his strong connections to his buddies who aided and abetted him every single step of his climb.
ayers threw his launch party in his HOME.
consulting with terrorists is verbotten.
I don’t take oil money…. his lies are where the arrogance and bamboozling are most felt, not his house purchase. that is just a symptom of his fatal disease.
Hillary has said that she is aware that many of those leaders who know her from years of
experience working together with her, are under tremendous pressure…….whatever that means..
And that she understands……….
BO’s campaign has tried to get full mileage from the ‘how things look to the average voter’ tactic, deploying it in a very calculated way.
So, it seems that a few of those who lined up like ducks in a row, everytime BO took a jab or was about to hit the mat, may well have been some of those who were under tremendous pressure.
Isn’t it possible that some leaders feel compelled to act in a manner that saves them from being constantly pressured, so that they can sleep a little peacefully at night..preserve their sanity and health, …….at least for a while?
Perhaps THEY understand that Hillary …..understands……
By falling in line, they then get some breathing space, while they hope that June provides them a clearer roadmap to run on. At that point, they would have given the so-called front runner, many, ‘15 minutes of glory’ slots.
Should Hillary’s case be formidable, then they can do the honourable thing with good conscience. They got to show support for BOTH candidates, when it mattered at varying points along the way.
And who knows, maybe that strategy could ensure that they do not become subjects of that UN investigation referred to elsewhere. LOL!
Or give the energized bunnies an excuse to create havoc!
Could well be wishful thinking on my pat!
BTW, I love the posters….
I’m with Hillary when she says:
It’s Not the Math, It’s the Map
You’re right,…. as they say:
A Day is a Long Time in Politics!
I’m with Hillary when she says:
It’s Not the Math, It’s the Map
No one believes me when I say I will not vote for Obama. I just can’t. He literally makes me sick.
Now if John Lewis, Andrew Young, or Harold Ford were running then absolutely.
Barry is nothing more than a 2-year Senator who has never held a committee meeting.
All the Republicans need to do is tell the truth.
You Broke It–You Own It, Obama Style; By Kristen Breitweiser
“Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know whose to blame.
And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too. This time around, everybody’s going to be looking for accountability.
Flash forward to Election Day 08. Can you imagine the backpedaling going on when it comes to explaining how Barack Obama — the Democratic nominee by math not by sensibility — loses key states? What will those pundits say? Can they turn to history and defend themselves by saying that Obama won Ohio in the primary? Pennsylvania? Florida? And what about West Virginia? No Democrat has won the WH since 1916 without winning West Virginia and we all know what happened yesterday. What will they use as their rationale as to why they reasonably expected Obama to win those states in the general? Will they be driven mad with their math and just keep repeating that it wasn’t their fault — it was math’s fault? (Or will they fall back on the usual suspect and blame it on Hillary?)
Maybe they’ll use the argument that Obama was supposed to re-draw the political map. That Obama promised that “all states were in play.” And, what if he turns out to be wrong? What if Obama loses those red states (and even some of those key blue states)? Is it possible that after e-i-g-h-t years of George Bush, we will have another Republican in the WH? Is it fathomable that a Republican like McCain could win by a landslide? Right now Jerome Armstrong at myDD has an electoral college estimate with McCain winning 290 to 248.”
more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/you-b...
I prefer the insights of No Fraudz, above (2008-05-18 03:18:51).
Huffing ton post can be counted on to muddy the reader’s thinking at best.
But she is not your typical HP writer. She is the thorn in BO’s side. As a 9/11 widow,