LATEST POLLS! + Videos of Hillary Campaigning in Oregon
By SusanUnPC on May 19, 2008 at 10:46 AM in Current Affairs
On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said Obama is taking premature “victory laps,” and Clinton has come back every time pundits write her off. Said she will actively campaign in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota. - The Page
UPDATE: To help Hillary get out the remaining votes, go HERE.
CLINTON SOLID IN KENTUCKY; OREGON IS OBAMA’S IN TIGHT RACE
5/19/2008
Two states. Two Democratic Primaries on the same night. And the differences in the contests are like night and day, according to a Suffolk University poll.In Kentucky, Hillary Clinton (51 percent) led Barack Obama (25 percent) by 26 points, followed by John Edwards (6 percent) and “uncommitted” (5 percent), while 11 percent were undecided.
In Oregon, Obama (45 percent) led Clinton (41 percent) by 4 points, with 8 percent undecided and 6 percent refusing a response.
DESCRIPTION: Hillary answered questions from undecided voters on Oregon issues in a town hall hosted by KGW in Portland. By the end of the night after a standing ovation, Hillary won over the crowd in the room and thousands watching on TV. Clinton’s hourlong town hall did net her some undecided voters in Portland. …. THE REST OF THE DESCRIPTION IS BELOW THE FOLD.
REST OF DESCRIPTION OF VIDEO ABOVE:
Jennifer Hildrich, 50, of Portland said she was torn between “the outsider talking about change and a new day” and “the savvy political insight of someone who will get something done.”
Hildrich said Clinton impressed her with her detailed plans for addressing major issues. Then Clinton closed the deal for Hildrich when she implored voters to consider who would be the most effective president on day one.
Judee Jacoby, 64, of Damascus said she too showed up at the town hall meeting on the fence over whether to back Obama or Clinton.
By meeting’s end, she was firmly in Clinton’s camp.
“I like her views on health care and on education,” she said. “I just feel she is very personable and warm, someone an average American like me can relate to.”
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DESCRIPTION: Hillary traveled throughout Oregon on May 16 and kicked off the day with a roundtable discussion on economic issues with the Mehlbrech family in Junction City. “A lifetime experience…this is a great thing for a small town” said Marv Mehlbrech
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DESCRIPTION: Hillary calls out the wussy-one on his ducking out on debates in an interview with KGW Channel 8 in Portland Oregon.
Obama camp is playing “Moon Over Parador…”
Not to be confused with “Moon Over Parma,” of the old drew carry show…
Hey all!!
I have not contributed to a campaign since 2004.
At the beginning of the primary I was an Edwards supporter ( I don’t know how I feel about that now) but I did not even contribute to his campaign. Well,
I just went to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and signed the petition to count the MI and FL votes and contributed a ten spot and I feel fine
Peace
Trinity thank you! Your help is very much appreciated!
Welcome …. She’s the best for America.
thank you Trinity!!!!
Thank you!
Thank you!A strong supporter of a great best candidate,Sen.Hillay Clinton
How can anyone still be “on the fence” between these two candidates? That kind of response really annoys me personally. I want to shout, dude, are you living in a fucking cave????? Are you not paying attention to the world around you? Who still buys Obama’s bullshit of a new day? His empty resume and rhetoric? Gah.
Doesn’t undecided sound more like “i’m not interested in saying?”
EXCELLENT SUSAN….Thankyou…
ALL THE WAY TO DENVER…..BILL CLINTON FOR FIRST DUDE…..I love to say that…scuse’
Obama only goes to Oregon to read off of a teleprompter and have a massive crowd act like he is a rock star. Hillary stands in front of the people and answers hard questions. Come on Oregon! Who do you think will make a better President?
Hillary!!!
Oregon voters were not the only ones at Waterfront Park. On many weekends it is so crowded and congested that you can’t walk comfortably. It is a great place to spend a sunny day and often get lots of freebies….like concerts and sidewalk artist etc. Kayakers and bicyclist and walkers are always coming and going. A friend told me lots of Seattle people were there last weekend..so Oregon is not that enthused about Obama……don’t read the spin that it was all for him,….it wasn’t.
Thanks for that report. A big rally loaded with people from other states is nothing compared to the HUGE “rally” of the vote in Kentucky! That rally matters!
Not only were a lot of out-of-staters there at the request of the Obama campaign, but I would say that the number the Obama campaign gave (75,000) was unrealistic. If you have ever been to Tom McCall’s Waterfront Park, it is about a half block wide by 2 blocks. No way can 75,000 fit onto it. He is trying to emulate JFK and Bill Clinton who both drew wild crowds in the Pioneer Square area (before the Waterfront Park was a reality). To see a map of the area, go to http://www.savvyonthego.com/detail.php?p=id=881&hist=3
The picture on USA Today shows the Riverplace Hotel in the background (with the chimneys) and it is ‘A’ on the map. Since there is no Hawthorne Bridge in the picture, one has to assume that Obama is speaking on the south side of the Hawthorne Bridge toward the Riverplace. That is 2 blocks about 1/2 block wide - see map. There is no way 75,000 people can cram in there.
I responded to HRC campaign askin for suggestions…I said keep doin the wonky wonk….she beats him on that every time….She is good…
Just got back from Portland. Did a lot of Hillary viz. No telling what they’ll do in that state.
This doesn’t even reach the level of “Duck Soup.”
How sad.
Right ON! I’m glad you posted that about the Oregon town hall.
Doesn’t Hillary always take the LION’s share of those that “won’t SAY” and those that are “undecided”?
I know my MOM’s age group are verrrry private about their vote. She has told me time and time again that she would NEVER tell a pollster who she’s voting for. She thinks it’s a private thing.
Does anybody else see a self-sabotage tendency in Obambi? I think he likes running more than governing, and when it looks like he may have to do the latter, the sloppy mistakes start to come out. Like the 57 states thing.
Early on when I was leaning Obama I thought — and even Josh Marshall said this at the time — it doesn’t look like Obama really wants this. He doesn’t want to compete for it, he wants it to be handed to him. I think Michelle and Obama’s supporters want this more for him than he wants it.
His quitting West Virginia and Kentucky, and not even campaigning that hard for Oregon votes (he didn’t try hard, he told one undecided in Oregon to read his two books when asked “how do we know we can trust you”? He said little, OK he said nothing, that was Oregon-specific in any of his ads) just tells me he’s quitting.
Like the student who fears he may be bad at math, doesn’t study for the test, then when he receives a poor grade says well I didn’t study.
It also tells me there is a struggle for control of his soul.
Barry has a serious conflict with his INNER CRACKER…anything new ?
He has a soul?
I noticed a few weeks back that his heart didn’t seem to be in it. I felt as though if he had his way, he would quit. Not sure if I’m right, but sometimes I wonder if even he is being pushed from behind. He definitely doesn’t come off as a leader IMO.
I agree 100%. He is out of steam and looks demoralized.
To be demoralized implies Morals….I think we are all better off if we see him for what he is….DEFLATED…might be more accurate…
I believe he is apolitical…and amoral…hence his campaign…
to demoralize is to corrupt the morals of . random house dict.
** EVEN IN THE FACE OF PURE AND UTTER EVIL…THOSE WITH A MORAL FOUNDATION….TEND TO GROW STRONGER NOT WEAKER **
It is difficult to change the language and our use of it with someone like OBAMA…But the truth is …this is no ordinary candidate in our system…and I will ( for myself ) be as careful as possible in the usage of lingo where OBAMA is concerned….HE HAS CHANGED THE EQUATION….I have been using a dictionary a lot over the last few months….as well as my old logic text book….
He KNOWS Clinton should be the nominee.
You know that “how can I trust you?” question from the other day. It struck me this morning that he has had that very same question in the past, publicly at an event. AND he answered exactly the same way (in NLP speak). Instead of talking about his experience or qualifications, he does an NLP technique where he draws the person in and creates a bond with them.
I suddenly remembered he had answered this almost identically in the past, it’s a formulaic answer (not from the heart). He draws the questioner in with words like “we” and “let’s”, and asks them to “help me” stay honest in this “dishonest profession”, etc. He’s totally doing this by the book. His NLP Tony Robbins training is paying off.
“he does an NLP technique where he draws the person in and creates a bond with them.”
This whole campaign has been a textbook of NLP. Even some of the newer trolls showing up this weekend were on here using that technique. I’m immune to it. I once went to an EST event at a HUGE stadium. Before the end of the evening, I had managed to get 2 EST kooks in a major knockdown drag-out fight as they tried to cnvert me.
I LIVE FOR THIS!!!!
I basically don’t care how this winds up over the next few weeks and on to Denver. My resolve is stronger than it’s ever been in my life. If Hillary is not the nominee, I will not vote for Obama.
He will have to:
WIN WITHOUT ME!!
I’ve been to both EST (or as it’s now called “The Landmark Forum”) AND a Tony Robbins seminar where he taught NLP!
I agree. I think he feels way over his head. They said it would be easy! and it’s not .Plus up till now in his life everything has been given him just when he says he wants it….But Hill says no, seriously NO, and he doesn’t have experience with that….makes Mr. 57 states even extra confused.
Hey it’s a meme - he just doesn’t want it. His heart ain’t in it. Others want it for him more than he wants it for himself.
Let’s revive that video of him saying he needs more experience before he runs. “If I were to run, I’d basically have to start NOW.”
Sort of like Chauncey Gardener (”Being There”).
Yes. A lot of people are afraid to get verbally attacked if they admit they will vote for Hillary. It’s like being in the closet. Can’t blame them.
Just imagine Barry in the GE and how many people would vote against him but be afraid to admit it beforehand. Not that he will ever see the GE.
Apparently ARG was not off. If she pulls this close to him in the end, it will absolutely signal that this tanking is not about racism, not about not campaigning in the states, and all about…Obama.
I rather like that irony.
GO OREGON!
Well, alright Judee Jacoby!!!!!!!!!! You will be a wonderful advocate for Hillary. Thanks for the great update, Susan.
The Clinton campaign has conceded Oregon to Obama. This proves they lost the state
They have not conceded it. They done what any candidate would do: lower expectations. They could still win. Your proof is moot.
I havent’ seen it, why do you draw this conclusion?
Grasping-at-straws.com?
Hillary is actively campaigning in Oregon. She is not hiding in Iowa whining and blaming the voters for losing like Obama is doing in Kentucky.
Same guy who two weeks ago said the voters have had plenty of opportunity to get to know him and his positions on issues (so no more debates needed) now says the voters just don’t know him well enough. He says when he gets out and gets to know voters he does better, yet he refuses to debate, refuses townhall meetings and refuses questions from the press. He only appears in big forums where the audience is remote.
Even when she knows she is losing, she still goes.
Unlike Obama, who sends his wife in for him.
MemyselfandIshelle has the balls Barry only WISHES he had!
Great post Susan. Can you update with the Wolfson video and the Politco “Obama: No victory declaration Tuesday” information?
Looks like things are shifting.
Go, Oregon.
A bit OT, but how many of the pro dean blogs from 2004 now endorse Obama?
A Deaniac Blog:
the DNC open thread has been anti Hillary for years (I had been going there daily since 2003 until recently)
There were about 30 regulars that posted….. the LIONS share of them were WES CLark lovers as well as DEANiacs…..(I know this as I used to run local polls and on average the same 30 IPs would participate)
When Wes went to Hillary, not many followed at first.
Most split between Richardson and Edwards with some die hard Biden supporters too. MOST of those were also elites btw, and eventually turned to Obama. THATS when I left for good.
Very few of us (cynNY, connie, gregg & dpd) followed Wes over to Hillary.
It was and still is a sore spot for me. I really thought I had developed some real friendships over there. Now I know the real truth. Elitism won the day for them. Their pompous, pious, sanctimonious (blech) personalities finally bled through.
It’s as if any disagreement is taken as a personal insult, a threat, the mark of the infantile narcissist.
When I see people of that sort, I KNOW they’re going to behave in that manner, and it doesn’t surprise me at all, any betrayal.
In fact, its the individual who exhibits real dignity that surprises, now.
Howard Wolfson said that Obama probably win Oregon, and they are going to have their speech in Kentucky. That proves that Clinton lost OR
It does not prove anything. Hillary can still win Oregon plus she wants to keep the margin close if she does lose. Look up “lowering expectations.” Wolfson is just doing his job lowering expectations.
Yeah … its a proven Obambi tactic ….
The Kentucky vote will be a humiliation of him and his campaign. She will stand there and make sure the message is sent. The following day he will roll out one more tired Democratic MAN to tell her to knock off the noise and get back in the kitchen … just in time for the last couple of states.
They don’t learn well there in Obamasamatraumaville, do they?
Oh Gore, Gore, baby……*whistle*
You’re so right. Another Washington Insider will tell people how Obama is for real change.
It’s getting to be funny.
I think Obama’s running out of loosers to endorse him on National tv.
maybe he can get Rezko to do a little endorsement… (unless his house arrest collar interferes with the tv equipment).
how many blacks in Oregon?
how many colleges & universities?
what is the average income?
That will tell me who will win.
“That proves that Clinton lost OR”
Dave why don’t we let the voters decide it.
No one has won or lost yet.
He was expected to win Oregon handily. RCP is still listing him as double digits ahead. A week ago he was up by 20 points.
So he probably will win. However, nobody expected it to tighten this way.
He’s in trouble.
True but look at the lack of data. There are only two new polls. If you just use the two new polls its a 5 point spread.
We’ll see what happens.
All eyes are on Kentucky. Hillary will crush him and any spin about Oregon won’t amount to a hill of beans. And she could still win Oregon.
I don’t know, with Obama, everything is so corrupt, I trust nothing.
So, even if Wolson concedes, I think the vote totals HAVE to be rigged, given Axelrod’s track record.
And I proceed as such, despite the bama twist, sort of like the Flintstones twist, bam- bam!, like Barney Rubble, or Bam Bam Rubble, or Roger Stone! or some other wannabe be operative DIP, fragile hard shell chocolate on white vanilla soft serve ice cream, from the Dairy Queen.
Or the Fairy Queen.
And is it true he actually won his editor position by procedural moves, as opposed to talent?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
WHAT a loser, hasn’t got the intellectual chops, huh?
Gee, what a surprise.
wannabe bee, sorry, like a yellow bumble bee, always buzzing around, puking up honey…
And if Oregon is really this tight, pay attention…
Think I’ll make some rice and beans, fast food Mexican, like they make in those hole in the wall joints…
What a load of lard…
In grade school, we had this highly dysfunctional boy named Mark, used to be bounced around from school to school, anyway, his way of making friends was to come up behind the obese girl, and yell “lard ass” .
Anyway, the obese girl later moved to Arizona, where last I heard, she became President of her class.
Your democratic op, at work.
Are they proud?
You betcha, they think they’re brutal.
And Obama having his in Iowa, what does that say aside from the fact Iowa isn’t even in the race tomorrow night?
Someone forget to tell him it isn’t one of the redo States?
Hey, Do u guys have any pics of the actual Obama crowd out there in OR? I just read that there was 75,000 that showed up. Is that for real? Or, is that just how many seats were avail?
Also, I am getting really tired of every article saying that Hillary is behind in pledged delegates. Not one word about her being ahead in popular vote and more importantly, ahead in the states that matter come November. That includes all of the states that there was rampant cheating by the Obamanots.
I hope and pray that she comes in ahead in all of the remaining states and PR.
She has earned the right to be here, dammit. And, it is certainly not because the media is her Prince Charming. That will be the day! It is because she has the stuff that real Presidents are made of.
Yes its for real, its amazing how obama fans like to get bussed around to all his concerts. They are kinda like deadheads.
Do you have a copy of his playlist?
Was the encore “Sweet South Caroline?” or “Sweet North Caroline?”
How many of his followers understand that they both were RED in 2000 and 2004 and will go RED in 2008 as well? So those victories don’t mean a damn thing in November ….
Kids ….
Can’t teach ‘em anything and ya’ can’t shoot ‘em legally either.
I think Senator Clinton’s continued support and upsurge in the polls is stunning when you consider the “get out of the race, girl” messages and attitudes propogated by the MSM and political operative types early on. Day by day, week by week, month by month, she’s proven the “experts” wrong.
This is not a race for dog catcher but for the Presidency of the United States. Whoever told the Obama folks that BO deserved to be crowned? Hillary has proven herself a long-distance runner. And that’s not just politics. She’s chosen it as a lifestyle and she’s proving it again on the campaign trail.
Why are the Superdelgates doing a lockstep behind Obama? Follow the money. But we as American voters have more power than we think and we’ve been exerting that power in recent races. There will be no crowning moment for BO if the Oregon race is razor thin or an upset and Kentucky turns into another incredible rout.
See you in Denver!
He can’t even have a coronation with a big win in Oregon. It’s the electoral map that elects a president.
Just got an email from our State’s Democratic Chair (Washington State) and his endorsement of Obama. This guy is a Super Delegate.
His email was barf-worthy. He talks about his reasons for choosing Obama: “I read his books, heard his speeches, and talked to people that found him inspiring.” Not one word about Obama’s experience for the job. Ironically, when he tosses the bone to Hillary in the letter, he talks about her “decades of public service” and experience, etc.
He also states that “the voters have spoken” so it’s time to move on and focus on November.
Yes.. I wrote to him. I kept it civil, but let him know that NO the voters have NOT spoken. Asked him why he and others are in such a hurry to shove Obama in, what are they afraid of? I reminded him of the REAL role of Supers, and that Hillary is the first candidate that has been shoved out of the race early, when she has so much more than any other candidate that took it to the floor.
I invoked McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, and Kerry. I told him that the backless cometh in the form of a crushing loss in November if he and the DNC succeed in shoving Obama down our throats. Oh.. and I wished him luck with that coronation thing tomorrow.
I hope the media truly crushes Obama over this ridiculous coronation.
Don’t hold your breath on the media reporting Hillary’s stunning victory in KY as the actual news story it is a stunning victory in KY. Maybe on Fox they will. MSNBO and BNN, forget about them. But the country is wise to the bias. Lou Dobbs although on BNN screams and hollers at every opportunity about the bias.
On election night I will wait for Hillary’s huge well-deserved victory celebration on CSPAN. I might scroll through the “news” networks with the mute button at the ready.
I advise activists to ignore the spin and tune it out if it bothers them.
Always mention money before attempting to reason. It gets their attention.
Attach some monopoly money (pretend money for pretend representation) to the letter.
The DNC, media and Obama and whoever gave big money to Obama have treated Hillary Clinton with amazing disrespect.
Women have had it. And, their fathers, husbands, and sons agree.
Let us to do whatever we can to help her to get more vote today.
Every vote is important right now!
Put our anger into Action! Action! Action!
Please Call! Call! Call! http://www.hillaryclinton.com/
Oh, what if it turns out the money they gave is monopoly money?
Uh oh…
Just read that quote from Axelrove on Morning Cup o’ Joe. Now he’s peddling furiously.. the new meme is that suddenly Obama can magically do well in swing states. He also said that how a candidate does in a primary state can change in the GE.
Well.. yes, you’re absolutely right, Axelrove. In the case of Obama’s long-lost brothers: McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry, they actually do WORSE in the GE than they did in those same states during the primary. So yes, technically he’s right. It can change. Unfortunately for the addicted-to-losing DNC, the change is for the worse. Is that what all this hopey-changey stuff is all about?
Obama doesn’t like debates because he obviously never does his homework! He can’t speak in generalities and feel good rhetoric. It shows him for the empty suit he really is. He’s only as good as the teleprompter feed which has been lifted from others. Hillary has speaks to specifics and knows how to take action! Obama reads prepared speeches written by others. He won’t debate because he’s awful at it! No wonder he never did courtroom law.
Post comments in the Oregon online newspapers, craigslist and blogs. It’s a real media blackout generally in Oregon and in addition people are waffling. That rally swayed people and Clinton’s online townhall swayed people. There are people blowing in the breeze in Oregon and beyond the GOTV online for Clinton, one can post comments in the above.
There is also online radio, call in.
I can walk into an Organic grocery into a field of Obama supporters, discuss real policy positions, votes, changes and they assuredly raise eyebrows and have pause. So many have no idea the true votes and policy differences between the two.
Interesting RCP polls across the board this morning:
Oregon Democratic Primary Suffolk Obama 45, Clinton 41 Obama +4.0
Kentucky Democratic Primary Suffolk Clinton 51, Obama 25 Clinton +26.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 46, Clinton 44 Obama +2.0
General Election: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen Tracking Clinton 45, McCain 45 Tie
General Election: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen Tracking Obama 44, McCain 45 McCain +1.0
Ohio: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 43, Clinton 50 Clinton +7.0
Ohio: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 45, Obama 44 McCain +1.0
In sum, a blowout in KY, a close one in Oregon, and Hill wins the national and Ohio matchups.
Some presumptive nominee.
. Prechumptive nominee.
He’s not the presumptive nominee.
He’s the presumptuous wannabe.
Presumptous wannabe!!
Two thumbs up!
Well done!
Hey Fosbach where are you? We need a bad cop to piss off the Hillary supporters. It energizes them even more than they already are energized. I’ll be the good cop.
Oh for gods sake, you’re irrelevant.
I have never seen anyone with less control so befuddled, and so obtuse to the reality.
You really are having a north korea moment today.
And this troll?
A north Korea “Movement…”
I love Hillary! She is such a hard worker she puts everyone else to shame. Go Hillary Go!!!!!!!!!
Sen. Robert Byrd endorses Obama
Another senil irrelevant freak Senator goes against his own state and endorses the empty suit. Strange coming from a well-known racist who obviously hates women.
W H A T T H E FK??????????????
AFTER THE 41 PT WIN IN WV???????
YOU ARE LYING!! IT CAN NOT BE!!
THIS IS SOME INSANE KOOLAIDE
IT’S GOT TO STOP
Weren’t the trolls calling Byrd a racist? Oops.
Does it surprise you?
Do you think Congress is corrupt?
Remember, Byrd also voted for Roberts and Alito…
He talks the talk, but he aways walks the Obama walk…
Obama and moveon helped him with $$$$$$$
Money talks, etc.. as always, follow the money.
Thank God!!!! Did we really want a former Klansman endorsing our girl?
Obama voted for Dick Cheney’s energy bill. Hillary Clinton voted against it. Cheney never submits anything unless there is MONEY in it for him. Three Huge pipelines coming out of Southwest Wyoming (Dick Cheney’s home state
) to end at a hub in Oregon. El Paso Natural Gas will own the Ruby Pipeline coming out of Southwest Wyoming. El Paso Natural Gas is head quartered in Houston Texas– Houston, is now Dick Cheney’s home town ; ). Then there are the other two lines “Bronco Pipeline and Kern River Pipeline” coming out of Southwest Wyoming. Everyone knows about Dick Cheney’s envolvement in the oil and gas industry. Obama voted for Dick Cheney’s energy bill– Hillary Clinton voted against Cheney’s energy bill.
More weak half assed Cheney’s moves, bound to backfire.
They really are stupid, making as much sense as the surge, in Iraq.
They are stupid.
Another perfect example of his actions speaking louder than his words. This is his “I can work with Republicans” in action. He’s not opposed to doing business with Dems or Reps, just so long as he and his posse get a cut. This is great! It’s so new -(sarcasm) getting past the partisan bickering when we still had one party that cared about the citizens and one the taxpayers. Now we have a bipartisan auction.
If only he had done a town hall someone could have asked. That’s why he has to go to the waterfront on a hot day and pose for the crowd instead.
Is Hillary campaigning somewhere today??
Cuz if she IS??? You’d never know it by CNN! Those fkrs have TWO Obama type events running on their LIVE feed
but NADA from HILLARY and I saw NADA over the weekend either.
Those Aholes are trying to delete here from the national message and it’s NOT GOING TO WORK!! THose tools over at CNN and MSNBC can pretend all they want. IT’s not going to end the way they think. I can’t wait to watch them ALL eat some crow.
Especially Larry (pig) O’Donnel and David (pimp me) Schuster and Roland (I’m a racist) Martin as well as the regulars TWeety, Olberdouche, Wolfy, Jack Craperty
I can’t WAIT to watch them EAT their words.