Obama is Bush Redux
By Bud White on May 19, 2008 at 7:03 PM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Cultist Thugs, DNC, Daily Kos, Electability, Electoral College, Florida, Hillary Clinton, Huffington Post, Obamedia, Popular Vote, Presidential Candidates, Race Card, Superdelegates, White People
Written by Bud White (Retired from the L.A.P.D. and now working full-time for No Quarter). A line from his role in L.A. Confidential: “It’ll look like justice. That’s what the man got. Justice.”
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Kristen Breitweiser was married to Ronald Breitweiser, an executive at Fiduciary Trust International. They lived a charmed upper-middle class life in Middletown Township, N.J. They had one daughter and a dog named Sam. They were Republicans.
On September 11, 2001, Ronald was killed at 2 World Trade Center. His wedding ring was found in October at ground zero and Kristen wore it on her right hand.
Kristen Breitweiser strongly disagreed with the Bush Administration’s foreign policy after 9/11, particularly in regards to the invasion of Iraq. She campaigned hard for John Kerry and now writes for the Huffington Post. Ann Coulter attacked her and the other Jersey Widows in a particularly ugly manner. She has earned her bone fides as a critic of the current administration.
The Obama supporters’ biggest insult, in these pages and others, is that Hillary supporters are Republicans, as if recoiling from disenfranchisement, racial politics, and blatant sexism makes one a Republican. We believe, in fact, that it is the Obama supporters who most closely resemble the far Right in their viciousness towards Hillary, and their use of race, sexist stereotypes, and disenfranchisement as electoral tools.
I take the bait: perhaps we should be listening to former Republicans, people like Breitweiser. We should do this for no other reason than to understand the thinking of independent voters and fellow Americans.
Obama supporters are delusional if they think that their race-baiting, misogyny, and jerryrigging the nomination will go unnoticed or unpunished. Kristen Breitweiser writes:
Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know who is to blame.
And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too. This time around, everybody’s going to be looking for accountability.
On her conference on Friday, Hillary specifically apologized to her on-line supporters for the nastiness coming from Obama supporters. I was reminded of the strike staged by Alegre and other DailyKos diarists, and I went back and read Alegre’s post and a few of the comments. This one comment struck me because of the author’s ahistorical understanding of the 1990s and misplaced hatred:
Hillary Clinton…typifies a wing of the Democratic party that is anathema, a wing that is responsible for the party’s downfall, and complicit with the rise of radical conservatism. The wing that sells out its principles, moves ever towards the middle, which is itself ever moving right, the wing that allowed “liberal” to become a bad word…She scoffs at party-building, and disagrees with the 50-state strategy.
The suggestion that Hillary is responsible for the rise of the Right typifies Clinton Derangement Syndrome (CDS). Anglachel, who has been exploring the Left’s CDS for months, writes:
The Republicans have good reason to hate both the Clintons - Hillary and Bill beat them. Repeatedly. The Democrats have no good reason to hate the Clintons - they beat Republicans repeatedly.
What the hell is up with my party? Disenfranchising voters to throw an election? Declaring vast swaths of party loyalists to be racists? Deriding party stalwarts as “Republican-lite”? Dismissing the economic successes of a previous Democratic administration? Just why are the self-described progressives so frantic to remove Bill Clinton from the company of Democratic presidents?
In addition to Obama’s lack of experience, race-baiting, and unsavory associates, many of us are turned off by him exactly and ironically because his own supporters’ belligerence towards Hillary, as shown above. Kristen Breitweiser succinctly describes the backlash against Obama:
[M]any Clinton supporters are reluctant to vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee. It’s not because they are bitter. It is because they chose Hillary over Obama for two real reasons: experience and definition.
Supporting Breitweiser’s assertions regarding Obama’s many weaknesses, Alegre writes that Hillary is the stronger candidate because of her electoral strength:
At this point, neither Obama nor Hillary can win sufficient pledged delegates to secure the nomination. This means the superdelegates have the power and obligation to decide who will be the best, most electable candidate for our party. Obama and his supporters must recognize that he did not win the major (swing) states and that his victory in states that are highly unlikely to vote Democratic in the fall make Hillary the stronger and therefore our strongest candidate in the general election.
In addition to her electoral strength, Hillary now leads in popular votes.
Obama partisans should listen closely. There are rumblings of mass defections by women, working-class whites, and independent voters. The neo-liberals can call us names, but they must understand that for many of us an Obama nomination would be as illegitimate as Bush “winning” Florida in 2000, and we will not condone the smearing of perhaps the most racially progressive couple our party has produced by voting for a candidate whose tactics go against everything we believe in.
Written by Bud White (Retired from the L.A.P.D. and now working full-time for No Quarter): It’ll look like justice. That’s what the man got. Justice. - L.A. Confidential
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Kristen Breitweiser was married to Ronald Breitweiser, an executive at Fiduciary Trust International. They lived a charmed upper-middle class life in Middletown Township, N.J. They had one daughter and a dog named Sam. They were Republicans.
On September 11, 2001, Ronald was killed at 2 World Trade Center. His wedding ring was found in October at ground zero and Kristen wore it on her right hand.
Kristen Breitweiser strongly disagreed with the Bush Administration’s foreign policy after 9/11, particularly in regards to the invasion of Iraq. She campaigned hard for John Kerry and now writes for the Huffington Post. Ann Coulter attacked her and the other Jersey Widows in a particularly ugly manner. She has earned her bone fides as a critic of the current administration.
The Obama supporters’ biggest insult, in these pages and others, is that Hillary supporters are Republicans, as if recoiling from disenfranchisement, racial politics, and blatant sexism makes one a Republican. We believe, in fact, that it is the Obama supporters who most closely resemble the far Right in their viciousness towards Hillary, and their use of race, sexist stereotypes, and disenfranchisement as electoral tools.
I take the bait: perhaps we should be listening to former Republicans, people like Breitweiser. We should do this for no other reason than to understand the thinking of independent voters and fellow Americans.
Obama supporters are delusional if they think that their race-baiting, misogyny, and jerryrigging the nomination will go unnoticed or unpunished. Kristen Breitweiser writes:
Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know who is to blame.
And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too. This time around, everybody’s going to be looking for accountability.
On her conference on Friday, Hillary specifically apologized to her on-line supporters for the nastiness coming from Obama supporters. I was reminded of the strike staged by Alegre and other DailyKos diarists, and I went back and read Alegre’s post and a few of the comments. This one comment struck me because of the author’s ahistorical understanding of the 1990s and misplaced hatred:
Hillary Clinton…typifies a wing of the Democratic party that is anathema, a wing that is responsible for the party’s downfall, and complicit with the rise of radical conservatism. The wing that sells out its principles, moves ever towards the middle, which is itself ever moving right, the wing that allowed “liberal” to become a bad word…She scoffs at party-building, and disagrees with the 50-state strategy.
The suggestion that Hillary is responsible for the rise of the Right typifies Clinton Derangement Syndrome (CDS). Anglachel, who has been exploring the Left’s CDS for months, writes:
The Republicans have good reason to hate both the Clintons - Hillary and Bill beat them. Repeatedly. The Democrats have no good reason to hate the Clintons - they beat Republicans repeatedly.
What the hell is up with my party? Disenfranchising voters to throw an election? Declaring vast swaths of party loyalists to be racists? Deriding party stalwarts as “Republican-lite”? Dismissing the economic successes of a previous Democratic administration? Just why are the self-described progressives so frantic to remove Bill Clinton from the company of Democratic presidents?
In addition to Obama’s lack of experience, race-baiting, and unsavory associates, many of us are turned off by him exactly and ironically because his own supporters’ belligerence towards Hillary, as shown above. Kristen Breitweiser succinctly describes the backlash against Obama:
[M]any Clinton supporters are reluctant to vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee. It’s not because they are bitter. It is because they chose Hillary over Obama for two real reasons: experience and definition.
Supporting Breitweiser’s assertions regarding Obama’s many weaknesses, Alegre writes that Hillary is the stronger candidate because of her electoral strength:
At this point, neither Obama nor Hillary can win sufficient pledged delegates to secure the nomination. This means the superdelegates have the power and obligation to decide who will be the best, most electable candidate for our party. Obama and his supporters must recognize that he did not win the major (swing) states and that his victory in states that are highly unlikely to vote Democratic in the fall make Hillary the stronger and therefore our strongest candidate in the general election.
In addition to her electoral strength, Hillary now leads in popular votes.
Obama partisans should listen closely. There are rumblings of mass defections by women, working-class whites, and independent voters. The neo-liberals can call us names, but they must understand that for many of us an Obama nomination would be as illegitimate as Bush “winning” Florida in 2000, and we will not condone the smearing of perhaps the most racially progressive couple our party has produced by voting for a candidate whose tactics go against everything we believe in.
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Bud you nailed the trolls. Great piece!
Well done Bud White.
Bud ,Finger is on the pulse ,well done
How many people can work the phones tonight in Oregon?
We need to find a way to pull off a win there.
Susa Poll had him up by 9 today. *drat!*
We don’t need a win in Oregon.
We just need a big win in Kentucky and a small lost in Oregon.
A win will be nice, but don’t set ourselves up for a fall. It’s expectation game.
Agreed. Kentucky is the electorally important state and you can’t win the White House without it.
Check out the Hillary in Kentucky video if you want the see her winning strategy. She outlines it clearly.
Oregon will be whatever it is. The trolls will use it to declare victory but we know better. They pulled the same crap when Obama won NC forgetting the fact Obama himself called Indiana the tie breaker. Hillary won the tie breaker but Obama and this trolls as usual have amnesia now.
I remember how mad I was when George Bush “won” in 2000. That is how I feel about Obama now. Back in 2000 I had no choice but to accept the fact that Bush was going to be our President. Now it is 2008 and I don’t have to sit back and take it. I can vote for John McCain in November!
The party has been hijacked from the voters by Howard Dean insiders.
you have hit it right on the nose.
http://therealistblogs.blogspot.com/2008/05/donna-brazileobjected-to-proposal-to.html
LOL so true and so amazingly bizarre.
It was so frustrating and so heartbreaking to see Al up there giving in and giving up - knowing full well he was so far above and beyond the best thing for our country, and knowing equally and exactly how horrible it would definitely be under Bush.
We all tried so hard to make our case, they wouldn’t listen, they told Al jokes and insulted him wrongfully. It was so obvious to us all along.
Deja vu.
If all else fails and Nov 4th has Hillary as not one of the options I know only one thing for certain, I can not and will not ever pick BO.
The worst thing I have ever read about is that Obama tried to bribe Hillary to get out of the race by offering her 25 Million to pay off her campaign debts. Why isn’t this bribe big news? Obama seems to want everything to come easily to him. He needs to drive everyone out of the race by hook or by crook. If he had a brain in his head he would see that Hillary cannot be bought. Obama has met up with something he is not used to seeing — an honest woman. We love you Hill.
How does it come to pass that Obama has $25 million available to pay off Clinton’s campaign debts? From campaign contributions? Would it be legal to use campaign contributions for that?
That is a big lie and you know it. Obama said ‘we will discuss options and try to make things good, blah blah…’ It is often customary for the winning nominee to eventually pay off the debts of the other candidate as a matter of ‘we are all democrats and help each other’ policy. He did NOT bribe her - you people on this blog are pathetic. I have never seen so much ‘ridiculous’ math - rules changed because its an advantage to Hillary…this is so much bs and you know it. Hillary is honest??? That is the joke of the year - she has been playing her games throughout the campaign. I admire her but the fact is she is not winning this nomination. accept it and stop playing with the numbers and DNC rules - you are all looking pretty sad right now.
Somehow BO has gotten my name and address (probably from the DNC) and is sending me mailers. Today’s was that stupid quote “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” I mean what an asinine statement.
Anyway - I digress….I write in big bold black marker GO TO HELL and send it back empty in his pre-paid envelope and mark the outside with NObama ‘08 on the front and back (BIG LETTERS FOR THE POST OFFICE WORKERS TO SEE, TOO!)
A small gesture. But damn it feels good anyway!
terrific gesture. i keep getting emails from the dnc, which i answer in a similar manner. haven’t heard from obamaidiot yet.
wish they would send me mail, so i could make them pay for the return postage to tell them what they can do to themselves.
DEMOCRATIC SUPPORTERS COUNT TOO
I can’t believe that I’m reading this. You won’t support Obama (and democratic ideals) because your candidate lost? That’s not even close to a reasonable argument if you care about getting our country on the right track.
I have been invested in losing candidates in the past; I know the deep feeling of disappointment and resentment when your pick gets defeated. I, like you, have felt like not voting for the other democrat in the GE. But in the end my principles are more important than supporting a republican with whom I share none.
I’m sure that if Obama lost, his supporters would feel the same as you and claim that the outcome was the result of racist acts. Al Sharpton et al would be all over the airwaves calling the Democratic Party racist and urging something stupid and self-defeating like voting for John McCain.
Yes, there is racism and sexism in politics and in America. But is NARAL sexist? Are the four female governor’s supporting Obama sexist? Hillary’s female colleagues in the U.S. Senate? Are the tens of millions of women supporting Obama sexist? Will you really insult all these women by claiming that they are so weak that they have been swayed by a sexist press corps? (By the way, your video “proof” of all the sexist journalists who have made sexist comments about Hillary is, despite your focus on MSNBC, predominated by conservative republicans on Fox, supporters of the actually racist and sexist Republican Party that you would have us support in the general election!) On its face your strategy is one of self-loathing and eventually self-destruction.
Sexism didn’t cost Hillary the nomination. Complacency, bad strategy and arrogance are what put the once-prohibitive favorite in second place.
okay, de ja vu. i have read this one before… or is it just me… your argument won’t work anyway because we believe in hillary. obama is phony, empty, and is not ready to lead. he makes a gaffe everyday. he talks to people, but he doesn’t listen to people. he can hide out in his large crowds but he looks and acts awkward in smaller groups. he does not speak to me, while hillary does. she has a fighting spirit, tenacity, perserverance, and integrity that i am looking for in a president. obama’s actions speak louder than his words to me and if he was the true winner at this point he would be closing the deal, but instead hillary is getting stronger and we are getting more inspired to get her the nomination. i would never hire obama. mccain has more experience than he does so for me mccain is number 2 not obama. and i would rather have the devil i know than the devil i don’t know running my country.
you need to back slowly away from this blog. it is insanity. same with “ellen” above. i come here to watch the madness for entertainment, but that’s about it. apparently, i am a troll, an enemy (yes, after trying to get to the heart of why supposedly thinking people would vote for McCain, i was called an enemy here), an Obamabot, an Obambimaniac, whatever. these people have taken the worst of Republican politics, and have internalized it. it is sad, and pathetic. but it’s kind of fun to watch in a strange way. just don’t take it personally.
enjoy!!
She has earned it.
A.M.E.N.
I used all of those arguments in 11 letters I wrote to every Super Delegate here in Arizona. Including the two, Napolitano and Grijavl, who have endorsed BO…suggesting that it’s not to late to switch to HRC or make the commitment to her now.
Any little bit helps!
I won’t vote for Obama in NOV. or in 8 years. I did not feel that way at the beginning of the primary season. My opinion is NOT the result of racism, religous fanatisism, or old age. I have formed my opinion of Sen. Obama because of his obvious racism, sexism, and lack of respect for the average person. He has shown himself to be a phony and a liar. I will NEVER vote for this man. The DNC obviously does not want my vote or they would stop this nonsense and nominate a canidate that can actually win the whitehouse and be an effective leader. If the choice comes down to McCain or Obama, I will vote for McCain. Hillary Clinton is clearly the most qualified to be POTUS. In a FAIR fight she would win the nomination and I believe she has the best chance of beating John McCain in the GE.
I read Alegre’s post & read the original by Kristen.
Great added analysis.
COUNTING THE POPULAR VOTE = DEMOCRACY
If Sen Byrd can come out and endorse Obama when his state handed her a 41 point lead, and my home state of MA, who gave her another primary win but whose two senators and governor have announced support for Obama over the voice of the people, what makes anyone think that the fix is not in for him to receive the nomination? I am not a conspiracy theorist but something is not right here. The voters are being shortchanged in favor of an inexperienced and unqualified candidate with a dubious, or at least questiionable, resume. The MSM has been aboard the bandwagon for weeks in gutting her candidacy and the DNC is not holding back. What gives?
It is SICKENING and it reeks of a backroom fix.
It’s ALL about money. Senator Byrd (a former district leader of the Ku Klux Klan in his youth) received the largest amount of campaign donation from MoveOn ($88,000…three times as much as his other largest donors). MoveOn endorsed Obama because of Pritzker, and her family ties to the Obama campaign.
It’s sickening to watch.
pritzker, queen of subprime mortgages and screwing over regular people. obama’s finance chair, isn’t she?
just more of the his sleazy connections.
It’s Linda Pritzker, Penny Pritzker’s sister (Penny is Obama’s Campaign Finance Chair). Here’s the entry from Wikipedia, on MoveOn.org and Linda’s hefty endorsement…along with George Soros’s financial commitment.
FROM WIKIPEDIA
Linda Pritzker, $4. Million.
George Soros, $1.46 Million.
According to the March 10, 2004, Washington Post, “The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros who gave $1.46 million to MoveOn.org Voter Fund (in the form of matching funds to recruit additional small donors); Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $500,000 to MoveOn.org Voter Fund; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee.”[33]
The San Francisco Foundation Community Initiative Funds, a 501(c)(3) organization affiliated with the San Francisco Foundation, began serving as a fiscal sponsor for MoveOn.org Civic Action in 2000, providing a channel through which individuals can make directed, tax-exempt donations to support its work. In 2001, SFFCIF’s IRS Form 990 (available from GuideStar.org) show that it provided MoveOn.org Civic Action with $17,698 in funding.
Iraq Peace Fund, an effort of the Tides Foundation
Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund
MoveOn’s spending as an advocacy group is listed at Open Secrets: Advocacy Group Spending (”data is based on records released by the Internal Revenue Service on Monday, October 23, 2006″).
wrong again…read the Pritzker history. quit making up lies that you know nothing about.
Obviously, you can’t handle the truth. The Pritzker clan is very much involved with Obama and MoveOn.
Absolutely.
One thing I noticed early on in Ob’s strategy is to change roles. Whatever he is entirely guilty of he’d claim SHE does that. He transfered his dirty tricks from his column to hers.
How many times did his campaign shout about smoke filled back room deals?
Everything he said about her is to deflect his actual actions. Sick Axelrod strategy.
karen for Clinton — Obama could not get away with that strategy without the aid and comfort of the media. I don’t think I will call them the media anymore — to me they are just The Snoops.
I think of the MSM as the US propoganda counterpart to Pravda.
Pravda (Russian: Правда, “The Truth”) was a leading newspaper of the Soviet Union and an official organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party between 1912 and 1991.
I hope those of you who are great advocates for the truth in this primary season will find a way for all of us to voice our discontent if this does become a reality. This cannot go unanswered–it is a disgrace and we DO have power to make an impact if we can be organized.
PJ -
I totally agree. I’m not a “conspiracist” either, but something just doesn’t seem right about all of this.
BTW: Obama has been a MAJOR COWARD in not debating Clinton in the Lincoln-Douglas style that Hillary first proposed. (He knows she’d beat him and his ego couldn’t take that.)
And NOW the Obama and McCain campaigns are “…broaching the idea of Lincoln-Douglas style debates…” (per Ezra Klein at the L.A. Times). This is Obama at his most dishonorable. It makes me sick.
I had claimed I’d vote for Obama over McCain for several reasons (e.g., SCOTUS nominations). I’m becoming less and less inclined to do so.
Obama is not obligated to debate Hillary in ANY style debate. Do you know anything about political campaigns??? The candidate ahead would gain NOTHING by a debate and has everything to lose. Only the losing candidate pushes for another chance. Hillary, despite what SHE thinks, does not call the shots in this election - get it??
It’s a power struggle within the Democratic Party. The Kennedy/Kerry/Pelosi/Dean (Brazile) faction don’t want another Clinton in the White House. Mon dieu! Two Clintons and only one Kennedy (and the Clintons came out of Arkansas and made it on their own merit, nor inherited wealth). They wouldn’t be beholding to these clowns.
Riverdaughter
riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
covers the $88,000 plus donation from MoveOn.org (George Soros money) that Byrd received for his Senate race two years ago. He finishes it at age 94. She mentions the ten points that Hillary has to clean up Washington. These are not of interest to Byrd (biggest porker in the Senate).
Having one of the Chicago machine in the White House will be a great boon for influence peddlers! Rezko’s second choice (after Gov. Blag) was Obama for president. (Please Patrick Fitzgerald, if Rezko is indicted and he sings and Obama has done anything wrong, please make him sing before the end of August.)
The Tony Rezko Obama told us on TV that his relationship with Tony Rezko was the five hours of work Obama did for Rezko while in a law firm.
(But Obama had a close friendship with Tony Rezko for 17 years, during which time Rezko — we now know, no thanks to Obama — raised more than $250,000 for Obama’s political campaigns and financially helped Obama to be able to afford to buy the mansion the Obamas now live in. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0704230648apr24,1,671186.story and http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4111483
MYTH “Obama never did any political favors for Tony Rezko.”*
Asked if he had intervened on behalf of Rezko or Rezmar with any government entity, Obama replied, “Never. No.”
(But, as Illinois state senator, Barack Obama wrote two letters on Illinois state letterhead to state and city officials supporting Tony
Rezko’s bid for $14 million in state and city funds to construct a building (in spite of the fact Rezko already had a long record of
incompetence in the construction field). Rezko got the $14 million in grant money, which included $855,000 in development FEES for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss. The two letters can be viewed at:
http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/obamaletters2.pdf_20070612_17_11_03_906.imageContent )
yeah i truly am in a weird place wondering why the dnc would want to lose it’s base and the heart of the party the women voters… i just don’t get it. at this point it is almost as if they are daring us to do it if they nominate him. but i am telling you, they will be in shock because we are as resolute as hillary and will not give in… i don’t know about you all, but no pressure, no money can change my mind. i just can’t back a guy who frankly scares me with the following he has amassed who don’t care about the issues and who only care about the charisma and celebrity. i just don’t get it. i am dumbfounded. i mean do they really want to lose a lot of their seats in the house and senate as well? because i am one who is going to vote against the sd’s who chose obama for reasons that make no sense because it shows bad judgment. the long term consequences for them are grave and they don’t even see it.
I very much agree. I really don’t care about the name-calling. Frankly, mature people just don’t engage in that type of behavior. So I chalk it up to the person’s defects.
I also agree with the notion that the Obama supporters who have engaged in dirty tactics own it and understand in no uncertain terms why the mass defection is happening.
I listened to Bill Clinton introduce Hillary in Kentucky. He talked plainly about why people are still turning out in record numbers and ignoring the constant drumming that there’s no point, no reason to care, might as well write your candidate off.
It was an honest and surprisingly direct speech, pointing out that Obama outspent Hillary 3 to 1 in Indiana and lost. 2 to 1 in Texas and lost. 3 to 1 in WVA and got blown out. 3 to 1 in PA and lost.
The message people are sending is pretty simple. They want Hillary as president.
So the Democratic Party can quote the rules all day long, go on TV and trash her, the bloggers can ban anyone who speaks for her, the TV pundits can talk about her as though she died or they wish she’d die….
but real people are voting for her, and they are passionate about this.
If they wish to drum us out because they can’t imagine why we support her, that’s OK. I can sure be drummed out. I’ve never seen a time in my 30 years of being a Democrat where I was insulted because of the candidate I backed in the primary. But there’s obviously a first time for everything.
They can pretend that what went on wasn’t sexism. It’s not REALLY sexism. It’s HILLARY HATRED. There’s a difference, right?
No, there’s not.
I don’t hate Obama. I don’t admire him. I don’t feel motivated by him in any sense. And I mostly don’t trust him. But hate? Nah* Why waste emotional energy on the same ole thing I’ve seen all too often in Washington politics? No surprise there. Just because he’s an AA guy doesn’t mean he can’t just be a typical politician running on the new guy platform of change and hope.
But the other stuff that’s gone on?
That’s very serious. That’s a betrayal of the Democratic Party, and I most definitely take that seriously.
All the super delegates see and hear the same man (Obama) that we do. He is not the “one.” Are our elected officials all pod people now. What are they thinking.
When Kerry or Kennedy say he is a great leader, I just want to barf. The man has done nothing to distinguish himself. He was a part-time State Senator for 7 years, then he became a US Senator for about one year. He immediately started running for the presidency. He has been running for the last three years.
Is there a nuclear weapon pointed at the US and we have been threatened with extinction unless Obama is president? I feel like I am living in a parallel universe to the one I have always known.
I want to save America, and I don’t know how. I don’t even know the questions to ask. I can’t figure out the “one” and how he got here.
Farrakan thinks he is the messiah
come to save the black people. Apparently, the Nation of Islam has have been waiting for him and when he is president, Africa will rise up and the black man will run everything.
Can’t wait for that day.
What is Plan B if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. I am an American. I cannot vote for Obama even if I tried to for Hillary. I am an American first.
I agree completely. And when I think about all the hours and money I gave to “my” democratic party in my 23 year voting life, I get a little sick to my stomach. I’d love to see a new party emerge out of all of this that represents what democrats used to believe in.
An excellent assessment, Ann in California.
The DNC have been planning this for a long time. Most of the high-ups are elitist and losers themselves. HILLARY is the only one near the center, where elections are won or lost.
“The wing that sells out its principles …”
That’s a laugh. Look at the contempt spewed at white working class voters by the ultra-leftists, the same people who’ve been singing about ‘the working man’ for decades. You can bet the black working class is wise to the ultra-left too, but blacks will use them for now to push Obama as far as he can go — then dump them. The ultra-left can play the race card all they want, blacks aren’t fooled by them.
i have to wonder if these far left elites are just jealous of the repubs and want to be more like them. i guess they felt so left out. look we walk on two legs just like you.(animal farm)
You know when I first read the conspiracy theory that Obama was a Rove plant I dismissed it, but now? Perhaps the Democratic leaders joined with the Repubs in a deal to keep Senator Clinton out at all cost. Perhaps there is a reason the Republicans allowed McCain to run this cycle? Just saying.
Ob is crowning himself, MO gave a backhanded compliment to Clinton, the press has eased its tone toward Hillary bashing a bit, the unity ponies are starting to kiss our old democratic asses and on may 31st the DNC RBC will likely follow suit with some leeway finally towards the AWOL states.
So now Florida and Michigan matter and now Hillary voters matter and now nice words matter and now there will be no room for hate and devision.
After throwing roadblocks on every path and slamming every door and burning every bridge, and shoving everyone who got in the way out of the plan they finally want their f’ing unity pony.
Anybody think Horseass Dean told Ob to make nice to us? Maybe somebody got around to reading all those letters at the DNC and figured out that obama ran the most devisive campaign in the history of the democratic party?
How many of us 17 million Clinton voters want a divorce after cruel and unusual punishment?
Right now I remain estranged from the party, they shaft Clinton,
I imagine that a majority of the 17 million want a divorce from the party. You can count me in.
Great commentary, Bud White.
if he truly were such a unifier, there’d be no need for him to tell anyone to make nice and we wouldn’t despise him so.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Terrific post, Bud White! You are a great writer with plenty to say. I am glad you will be contributing here often.
Kristen’s most compelling post at Huffington yielded this and I have never forgotten her words. Any Obamanating troll who comes here needs to read her words:
Remember back in 2002. There was a drumbeat for war with Iraq. First it was a link between Iraq and 9/11. Then it was WMD. Then it was Saddam was a bad man and needed to be eliminated. And remember how the vast majority of the country fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Indeed, more than 75% of our Senate voted for the authorization to go to war — including Senators Daschle, Dodd, Kerry, and Rockefeller I might add — all of whom work as advisors on Barack Obama’s campaign. And yes, so did Senator Hillary Clinton.
So where did you stand back in 2002, 2003 and 2004? Do you remember the fever? The frenzy? The momentum? Do you remember the call to speak with one united voice? That was Senate Majority Leader Daschle’s plea to the American public back in 2002. Yeah, the same Tom Daschle whose advice and judgment Barack Obama seeks out daily on the campaign trail.
I remember it all. And, I know where I stood. I was down in Washington fighting for a 9/11 Commission and I was steadfast against the war in Iraq.
But back in ‘02, for those of us who dared to speak out against President Bush and his war in Iraq, we stood virtually alone. There was no resounding chorus of people calling “bullshit” on Bush’s folly. No, back in 2002 you were called unpatriotic if you dared to question the president; labeled as helping the terrorists if you raised doubt about his divine call to action.
Now forgive me, but I do not recall the help (or the voice) of any Barack Obama from Illinois. Indeed, I cannot recall hearing or feeling the impact of any one speech from the Illinois Senator. Did he attend the rally on the mall in Washington? The marches and protests in NYC? Did he conduct national press interviews? Did he write any editorials? Organize any protest rallies? Mobilize the people? Did he write any petitions? If he did, I never saw any of them.
Yet according to Barack Obama, because he spoke out in 2002 against the war in Iraq, he is better qualified to be president.
And according to Barack Obama, since Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq, she is unfit to be President.
Thank you Bud. It was so destructive to be hounded from every website by the Obama supporters by cries of “Republican!” when one had the audacity to question a stand or for clarification of position. Having been “removed” from Huffingont Post for the “crime” of being an HRC supporter, actually voting for a Republican no longer looks like such a stretch. I guess I have the Obama supporters to thank. None of my questions were ever answered. I got nothing but curses and screams of “Republican” or “troll.” Make nice? Oh, that’s rich?! I think not. I was looking for answers and I found them. And I won’t be voting for Obama. Not as my first choice. Not as my second choice.
Good post. I tried to say that at one point early on in the campaign, but the Hillary Hatred essentially were always going to scapegoat her about that vote.
Today, Taylor Marsh claims that’s the reason for Byrd’s SD to Obama.
I think that’s absurd, btw. But whatever.
I think that is also an absurd proposition for TM to come up with. He received a huge amount of money from Moveon (is that posted here? sorry, I’ve been reading some amazing stuff tonight and things meld.)– like 88,000 bucks.
I found it very offensive that TM would mention the Iraq vote as the drive behind Byrd. And not very insightful.
I agree. Blaming Hillary’s vote for his SD move?
It wasn’t even logical. If that had been the reason, he would have announced his endorsement early.
I’m sure he’s getting pressured, as you guys point out, by his doners. Obviously, they carry more weight than the voters.
These guys who have been around forever can get by with that in their states. Loads of favors out there to carry him through their ire.
troll free zone — I think the height of hutzpa is Obama offering Hillary 25 Million to drop out of the race.
I was against the war, but understand why HRC voted not to handcuff a president in the wake of 9/11.
She had no way of knowing the guy was a maniac.
Neither did Dodd or any of the other Senate jackasses who should have stayed out of this primary.
Kucinich was the only one….with any “integrity” to vote against the war and vote against funding. So for all of people who have undergone an Obotamy..Snap out of it. The arguments don’t match the facts.
Dennis Kucinich actually did have a very difficult childhood..not a made up pity me myth.
Ronald Reagan was the rise of the conservatism in this country.That was before Clinton. The moral majority was before Clinton Clinton has been the only democrat to win under those conditions. Many of the democrats also piled on with their Republican friends against Bill Clinton. How many millions of dollars of tax payers money wasted on Ken Starr with the ever changing investigation to come up with something…anything…
I never thought it was in the best interest of the tax payers money to figure out Bill Clinton’s personal sex life. Where were his democratic supporters in Congress to stop this phony investigation? All hiding underneath some rock.
Here’s another troubling fact.
When Lieberman was in the thick of his Democratic nomination, whom did Obama run to support?
Was it
a) the anti-War Ned Lamont, or
b) the biggest supporter of the war in either party, Joe Lieberman?
If you guessed a) you guessed WRONG.
Excellent point!!
Obama 44
McCain 45
Clinton 50
McCain 43
ohio general election
obamabots
pls start spining
A typical argument would be they will vote for Obama in GE.
only if they don’t allow repubs to vote.
funny how the obamanuts point to his victories in dem contests and project them forward to the ge, without realizing that his dem victories were predicated on demographic distributions that will differ greatly in a ge. for instance, the sc dem primary had over half aa voters. in a ge, when repubs are added in, it’s be just over a quarter. so he’d need the other quarter from those white working people he hates so much. not likely, since he’s made his disgust for working white people so obvious. and sc is one of the more favorable states for him, demographically. most states are more like 12% aa. so he’d need to pick up 38% elsewhere. won’t be happening. there aren’t enough latte liberals for that. besides which, with more exposure of his many failings, the latte liberals will come to be ashamed of their support for him. they’ll probably just stay home.
of course, obamanuts will point to some red state where he won a caucus and say there are few aa voters and latte liberals there. true enough. there are also very few dems. and no caucuses in the ge. so he’ll lose those states by numbers similar to those he lost to hillary in wv.
I don’t know if someone has already posted about this, but there is a truly vomit-inducing article by Arianna on Huffpo today, complimenting Hillary for being “victorious in defeat”. Arianna says that even tho she has criticized Hillary before (No!), she is now giving her credit for changing the the way women will run for president in the future!?!? Remember how Obama told his supporters to “be nice to Hillary supporters” the other nite? Well, this is Arianna, the world’s foremost Clinton hater, fallling in line. Revolting. Do they really think they can win us over with this kind of tripe?
Arianna and her website are no longer relevant. She personifies the word “whore.”
I won’t go to Huff’n'Puff for any reason…why click on their site and increase their “business”?
agree. the disgusting sites get “business,” and therefore money, from our clicks. i refuse to do it.
Too true! Her attempt to win over Hillary voters with today’s tribute was laughably insincere. She obviously got thee make nice memo, must be killing her.
It won’t work. The thing about hard breaks in political contests is that the same different outlooks go forward, so we’d just end up disagreeing with them on most issues, anyway.
So that blog will remain a bastion of just what this author is talking about in terms of the angry left.
one word —fuck u obama,s girl
sorry –that was too many words
what can i do –arianadeserves all the bad words in this world
she is a woman traitor –she betrayed us -other women —-
and now that damage has been done–she is trying to kiss and make-up
well if she was infront of my face ——
i will give her the full arm and kick her behind and tell her go fuck –jeremiah wright now
I still like Arianna. I think she’s right on a lot of issues but I’m wary about following her on political movements.
Remember how she was the public face of the Gingrich years? Remember how it was her an Al Franken discussing politics on Politically Incorrect a decade ago?
Yeah, she’s always a good ten or fifteen years behind the curve, not very astute. She’s smart but slow on the take. And I don’t really trust her. I like Al, though.
Personally, I never could get through a single one of her own pieces. She’s a very bad writer.
Huffington’s insincere commentary is just begging us to vote for John McCain in the fall.
Obama: A Sudden Patriot?
Have you seen Obama lately? Ever since his ass-whopping by those “Bitter” voters in West Virginia, Barack’s been accessorizing his campaign wardrobe with “that pin” he previously refused to wear on his chest. As if somehow showing your patriotism and love for country could ever be interpreted as a bad thing. This from the
http://www.theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=439
I just wanted others to see what Hillary supporters have to put up with.
Here is a short comment by me about the “sweetie” remark, and then the response by some creep RedBaron and my short response. These Obama people are something else. I notified the site but apparently threats are not important to Obama people.
Hold on “boy”…..Boy I sure hope Hillary doesn’t have a bad habit
Submitted by alibe50 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 9:59pm.
like that with black reporters. But of course the media wouldn’t be so magnanimous as to allow her to appoligize so easily. And I watched the tape of the remark and believe me, the reporter was ticked off by the reference. She may have accepted Obama’s apology, but she said “this sweetie never did get an answer”. And she was shocked by his crude and off putting manner when he used that reference. It wasn’t said in an endearing manner. It was said in a dismissive tone and then he dismissed her question as unimportant. He didn’t know what to say so he said “hold on, sweetie” and then he quickly passed her by. But Obama is immune from criticism. And even women who kn ow I speak the truth will be nice and say it didn’t matter and he was just saying it in a nice way. Remember the “your nice enough, Hillary”. No, nice is not Obama’s forte.
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I’m Getting REAL Sick of YOU……
Submitted by RedBaronSIU on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 7:54am.
You know, Creep…..I’ve been reading your little delusional diatribes on this thread the last couple of days; restraining myself from commenting…because I wanted to see, if over a period of time, there would be, at least, ONE FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT made by you concerning Obama.
And not ONCE, have you deigned fit to describe Obama with what could be construed as a FAIR statement. For example, you take your asinine and juvenile comments made here, and try to compare them with some hypothetical conjecture YOU have concocted.
Hypothetical, (and delusional), in two senses. One, you IMAGINE what Hillarys consequences WOULD be if she uttered some dread epitaph of racial disrepect, well, duh!…aren’t YOU the same ignorant ASS-hole that had been defending her, lo, those many months, when her campaign HAD DONE JUST THAT; both verbally and non-verbally; implied, and otherwise. If you had the sense of a brain-dead, road-kill possum–you twerp—-you wouldn’t have had to “imagine” it—IT WAS WHAT COST HER A NOMINATION——you dim-witted dolt!
Two, AS YOU ALWAYS DO…you make defenses based solely on YOUR recollections and interpretation of what YOU THINK happened—well, you know what?—SCREW your memory!!
Post those “tapes” you cite–and I’ll judge for myself—if she “was shocked by his crude and off putting manner when he used that reference…” You have done this throughout the entire body of your input on BF. Giving, (and supplanting), YOUR opinion, and subscribing it as referential FACT. ITS BULLSHIT. The way I READ IT—she didn’t appear, to anyone there, “to be offended”—now what?—since, like you, I didn’t post a reference——-its MY word against YOURS!
Which brings me to another aspect of your sanctimonious, pompous, self-righteous spiels. The idea that you have, by virtue of your long (and odious), “association” with Buzzflash—-the right to judge who, by virtue of their length of time here (presumably), compared to yours–can, or cannot, BE WHO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOW, therefore, THEIR opinion–when compared to YOURS–is, somehow, less voluble.
Well, for certain, Dems are no longer: the philosophically bankrupt, morally effete, jelly-spined, facing-backwards, self-deluding, bitter, frustrated, prehistoric relics like you, and that crazed, ranting fool—Neva Stoltz—You internet-anchored, anti-social, cyber-hermitically challenged misfits who still insist on jerking yourselves off in twisted remembrances of days gone by; those inglorious days when everyone else still embraced your sycophantic psychoses of non-reality based detachments, and escapist lunacies of “Kumbaya”-Lieberman-like moments dancing with Repugs all bare-ass naked around your joint-politico camp-fire fantasies. No, THAT IS OVER….and your kind just CAN’T LET IT GO.
You (and **********) both, are like some bad moderate-centrist, Democratic, Hollywood extras from a bad B-Movie. You fools are Dems left over from the hey-day of that grand B-Movie actor Ron Reagan. You loved HIM AND THOSE DAYS And you haven’t been able to let go since. You all still yearn for those days of Reagan’s B-movies; You folks don’t want to face now, or face tomorrow, you just want to face backwards; back to those “nostalgic” days, those days when our “heroes” still wore white hats, rode white horses, when they saved “damsels in distress”, when the cavalry came to save America, when movies were in black-and-white (and so was everything you believed in in America); when the “buck stopped somewhere”–(and you could still buy something with it); those days when you all yearned for John Wayne, (but since he was no longer available)—you all settled for Reagan. The “hero”—-back when they weren’t zero’s; back when “fair was square” and Ron rode “tall in the saddle” and “rode off or on—into the sunset”. Ron Reagan with the “itchy trigger finger”; The B-movie actor who became president (thanks to Dems like you two), selling his saber rattling, and his mad policy of war door-to-door, with his “get off my planet by sundown” mentality. The man was “marine” tough, “Bogart” tough, “Cagney” tough, “cheap-steak” tough—a Madison Avenue masterpiece of mush–a “cotton-candy” politician–”presto-macho”. But civil rights, womens rights, gay rights—to Ron,–its all wrong! Ron knew ‘first one’ll want freedom—-then they’ll ALL be wanting it”—So Ron “gave ‘em hell”—those “liberal” Democrats. And all you moderate, “centrist” Dems loved it. Reagans policies had (have) you all so screwed up now—you don’t know if you want to be Matt Dillon or Bob Dylan.
If your previous nonsensical postings are any indication—–then you need to seriously wake up—because you have been in a dogmatic dream-state for some time now. If all your many years of posting, and contributing, to BF has only led you to falsely, come to the conclusion that ALL ELSE ARE MAD and only you still “see the light”, that somehow, poor Buzzflash have erred in their ways and become “lost”—then you need to perhaps, read Shakespeare’s handling of ‘mad” individuals, and apply accordingly; or you simply need to check yourself.
You self-serving fools no longer serve any purpose, or cause; for your “crusades” to “save” the “Holy Grail”–that is Hillary….no longer has a base in reality. If you continue to insist pursuing one-way arguments about her non-existent, (or irrelevant), value…then, you bring only strife and turmoil. Look at you. You’re too idealogically blind, or too inured in your own manure to see that THERE IS NO MORE HILLARY ARGUMENTS TO MAKE HERE –that ship has sailed. No one is harping on THAT anymore—but YOU. The time is past. Whether HRC deserved it (the candidacy), or not, THAT is no longer relevant. Whether she actually did THIS, or said THAT, is no longer germane. And for YOU to keep, with each and every post, reciting, and regurgitating, the same old right-wing talking points, supposedly certified by, and considered valid, because YOU, as the PROPER DEMOCRAT has ordained it so–makes you no better than a Limbaugh drive-by; and it is VERY ingenuous OF YOU, and injurious TO US (as a party). So you need to evaluate whether you are going to move forward in a unified fashion toward support of the CHOSEN nominee; or are you going to continue (MR. self-professed, long-time Democrat)–down this road of disruption.
Now is the time to devise and fashion your verbal arguments for the only REAL confrontation that awaits us now, i.e., the one with the REPUBLICANS, NOT your “lets see what I can conjure up about ol’ Obama today” screeds…that you’re getting noted for. This is not a warning to you–but a foreboding reckoning—you either find someplace else to take your divisive BULLSHIT; “get with the program” as its defined here….or I will make sure that from here on out —-you will be defending your bullshit against ME—EVERYDAY; because I’m going to keep you so tied up defending yourself against MY attacks on YOU—-you won’t have the time to spell Obama’s name. Consider that……WORD!
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Is this the comment of a typical Obama supporter? Scary
Submitted by ……. on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 2:20pm.
It seems a bit unhinged and threatening. I am happy to supply the link. It could have been seen easily researched if you went on youtube and searched under “sweetie” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy9NwI8_i0 It is unnerving to be threatened by such vile remarks in response to a comment that was neither nasty or incorrect. I hope that BuzzFlash will respond to RedBaronSIU with a firm rebuke of this abusive language. And I hope all Obama supporters do likewise. I support Hillary. I do not support Obama. But I have been respectful. I have never been abusive. I expect you to counter what I say with facts and intelligent argument. If you can’t do that, then maybe you should re-think you position. This type of discourse displayed by RedBaronSIU is repugnant. I expect to see a show of support from my fellow BuzzFlash readers, even if you disagree with my position….(No reply or support from other people…and they wonder why McCain is looking good)
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One threatened to track me down. LOL* Another one stalked me endlessly, switching her name around to look similar enough and then posted all kinds of garbage. Didn’t work. Everyone knew my style and my positions, but that didn’t stop her from trying! Another one lived to track me down and responded pretty much only to my posts.
I agree with Hillary on this. It’s actually complimentary.
Fanbois get a crush, it’s the closest they get to real intellect.
They follow Obama due to weak psychology, when they find another “object” to idolize, one they feel can protect them better, they switch allegiance.
Really weak men, psychologically, really really weak.
But no one vets them, so how are they to know?
AnninCA, I always think of Kofi Annan when I see your name…
Real men vote Hillary.
I looked it up. You’re my challenge on this site. LOL*
I never had heard of him. *eeek*
Wasn’t the one before Kofi named Butros Butros Gali? (My spelling is probably off.) Now that was an unusual name. It’s time the UN had a woman as it’s head!
That person is a menace to society. I can’t imagine why his post was not banned. There was talk on the radio today of Hillary volunteers having their tires slashed…more than once. I will not vote for Obama for many reasons…but one of the formost reasons has to be the few violent supporters who give his entire campaign a very bad name.
But IS it a threat?
I mean, look at the average Daily K** poster, are they threatening?
No.
And even if they were, if someone is trying to intimidate you, would you let yourself be intimidated, or would you fight?
This person spent 7 paragraphs reiterating the SOS, I woudl look at this and say “uncreative moron without a clue, bait” like Chris Volsberg, and forget it. Why waster your time on specious trash?
If they have no talent, and you know they have no talent, why do you give them s second thought?
Like Matthews, or Dean, it isn’t a matter of disagreement it’s how they conduct themselves, without class, all those clueless sophistry.
Why spend your time on dull stupid weak minded, codependent men?
They’re too old to behave as needy 3 year olds.
Obama is corrupt, bottom line.
Chances are the woman whom Bud White is writing about, the 9.11 widow, was affected by Obama’s corruption in one way, we all were.
It’s an issue of national security,(Rezko, Auchi, Iraq, the IL combine, Qaddafi) if they don’t’ see it, or they minimize it, refusing to see it, or they don’t understand the implications, they are ignorant.
This isn’t a disagreement about positions.
Corruption and sophistry and trolling the American people is not OK.
What Obama does (engage in business with foreign nationals from terrorist nations, propaganda technique to influence the public, et al), defense would label an enemy of state, if he weren’t a politician.
I agree. I used to advise the harassers that I’m actually quite immune to that tactic, so they should spare themselves the energy.
But like Hummers on Line…..they lived to harass. LOL*
I’d save that rant and mail it to Barky on the day after he gets his ass handed to him on a plate. Then I would send a copy to Howard Dean and suggest he get the hell out of his position and go kill people in his doctor’s office or something. Then I would send one to Donna Brazile and tell her to shove it into a major orifice. Then I would wait four years for a certain someone to run on the I TOLD YOU SO ticket. I’ve been in this movie enough times to know we lost this one and we lost it badly.
You know, Uppity, the most absurd statement Donna made was about how “vile” Hillary supporters were. Now, given what I’ve seen, I have NO doubt that they ripped off totally inappropriate e-mails to her.
But goodness gracious, is she really so stupid as to think that Obama supporters aren’t doing the same every day? Is she that clueless to think that there is a “difference” based on which candidate is backed?
That remark clued me that she really is quite stupid. LOL*
No way to soften the conclusion.
She’s just not all that bright.
John McCain is a great improvement over Obama.
yep.
Barack Obama tried to tell us that he wasn’t in church when Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his chosen spiritual leader of 20 years, commanded “God Damn American” or preached any of his other racist, anti-American venom. Wright, we were told, was just the crazy uncle no one can control.
That line didn’t fly because Obama brought his kids to that church. You don’t willingly subject your children to cursing, filthy, unpatriotic preachers unless you agree with the preacher.
It seems that Obama has another guy on the payroll who might as well be Rev. Wright’s clone.
Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for “spiritual counsel”, James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.
http://www.patriotroom.com/?p=205
Does anybody have the number for Child and Family Protective services in Chicago. I mean I’m kidding and all…. sort of.
I wondered about that, too…
Yes, they say all that and worse, and then they call us “sweetie” and expect us to shut up and vote for them in November.
I don’t think so.
Did you see Cnn Reporting on this they went out on the streets of New York and ask woman over 65 years old if the would mine be called sweetie not letting them know in was said in a work place environmen they all said that would be fine with them!
of course, cnn’s in the tank for obambi. so maybe they asked 100 women before they got enough to say what they wanted. and maybe the women they asked knew about obambi’s statement and were obambi supporters. who knows?
obambi calling us sweetie will work for a few. it will disgust many. bad math for obambi.
Dyed, Fried, and Flipped to the Side.
Is Reverend Manning telling the truth when he says that Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright are closet homosexuals? Hmmmmm……………..
http://www.politicalpyro.blogsome.com/2008/05/19/dyed-fried-flipped-to-the-side/
well i guess congrad’s are in the way..this mr. white is now a full time writer for no quarter..
ok,, ok,,
I can’t imagine larry not hiring an ex-jock to write for no quarter..what were you thinking?
Here we go with an NQ update..
One of our most interesting contributors here ‘ taters’ is on the road playing with etta james..heard he is in Las Vegas..good work if you can get it..Hey Taters..log in soon and let us here at NQ know what’s going on..( bust up any hotel 6 rooms lately?)
just kidding..
Jordan is home for his 30 day leave..he arrived thursday..with his best friend from the 3/5 Marines.
You have no idea how fun it has been..we rented out a place called the ole pub saturday night..( planned it for 6 months )
We had all the family together and friends for a coming home party.
I played a powerpoint at 8:30pm with all Jordan’s Iraq pictures..I played some really cool music and there wasn’t a dry eye in the house…it was close to perfect and we are still talking about how the pictures and music worked. We hired Jordans favorite band and he had a great time… he got up on stage and sang a bunch of song.. ( I love em.. but the boy can’t sing) but it was great fun…I have the most beautiful, strongest most handsomes son in the world.. I can’t believe how much muscle he has put on
since he has been gone..they worked out all the time
in iraq..I’m going to post his my space page for all of you long time friends..
Brings me to another point..leslie hasn’t posted here for awhile..miss you leslie..
BTW.. she makes beautiful jewelery and should still have an ad on this site.
Teakwoodkite..you’re doing great here posting..keep up the good work!!
Well that’s about it..hope everything is good for all of you..
OMG I love etta james!!
Sorry you had this horrific rant directed at you. Geez.
How often men have said to women “Screw your memory”, you’re imagining things honey, you’re delusional, insane, etc. But for that unhinged ranter to say Hillary has no value, cuts right to the chase, doesn’t it?
If, like me, you’re voting for McCain if Obama the hit man is the nominee, I’d suggest sending this rant to Donna Brazile, Pelosi and Dean to say, here’s why I’ll never vote for this violent SOB who is stirring up men’s hatred of women for his own gain, and at women’s peril.
I just keep playing Dixie Chicks “I’m not ready to Make Nice” over and over. Every one is now supposed to lay off MO and be kinder and gentler to Hillary supporters. Well, all I can say is the chickens are coming home to roost. If you treat women with smirky misogyny then you cannot think your wife and your daughters will be treated any differently. You’ve played the old boys card, not get ready when it gets trumped! The MSM gave you a pass, but a whole lotta other folks will not, Senator Obama. Based on the your attitudes and behavior and those of your followers, I wouldn’t vote for you under ANY circumstance and I think you just better watch those continuing Dukkakis moments as you gently go forth into the land of has beens … If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, the Dem Lemmings will follow you right into the same ocean of obscurity as the rest!
You should look up lemmings on wikipedia. sorry i didn’t write down the link. Every four years the lemmings nearly wipe their population out.
Do you believe it? EVERY FOUR YEARS. Now what does that remind you of? Dean’s Lemming Party.
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s former campaign manager and confidante, Patti Solis Doyle, and Sen. Barack Obama’s top adviser have informally discussed the former Clintonite’s going to work for the Obama campaign in the general election.
Solis Doyle’s possible hiring is a major breach not just in Clinton’s campaign but in the political universe known as “Hillaryland,” a term Solis Doyle reportedly coined after joining the Clintons in 1991 as the first lady’s personal scheduler. She was forced out of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in February amid internal criticism about her spending practices and preparation for upcoming
IS IT FUCKING TRUE???
I SAW THIS ON POLITICO BY BEN SMITH
call oregon. who cares about this? nobody.
U R RIGHT
I AGREE
Does it matter? She needs a job. She is a political operative…thats her career. Can’t really begrudge her that.
Besides she left the campaign after super tuesday no?
Its not like she is defecting from the campaign today.
You have to remember a lot of the people who work these things…its their careers. They have to follow the paycheck.
If they deny clinton the nomination its not like she will have much to do at clinton HQ if she wanted to come back.
given the poor way she performed her job, maybe she can help ruin obama. she’d be doing her country a major service.
Great post, Bud White.
And remember: Rollo Tomasi.
You got it!
First, Barack Obama told a group in Chicago he favored a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
Then, Barack Obama told people in Idaho he was for the 2nd Amendment, in order to get their votes.
And just this month, Barack Obama accused people in rural places and small towns of being “bitter” people who “cling to guns.”
Yeah well Barack is in favor of gun control, but not really, but really. Same goes for abortion.
Barky will say anything, since he knows nothing. Barky thinks he’s all things to all people, while being nothing to anybody.
guess he doesn’t realize the general election is nationwide and he can’t tell 50 different stories?
Has everyone heard that they are stealing the mailin votes in Oregon and throwing them away. They are also stealing and filling them out for Obama. What has this country come to when this is the norm. How can we let this fraud steal the nomination?
Voter fraud is always an issue. I must admit, the most creative was the pen they gave to Clinton supporters in caucuses that actually was disappearing ink. Lordy!
Clinton has workers in Oregon to watch the ballots that get dropped off.
Nothing surprises me. The man rose up from criminals and thugs, and he attracts others just like him.
Connie: how do you know this? I mean, I don’t doubt it for a moment, I figure something like this happened in both IN and NC. But this is the first I’ve read about it.
Isn’t it typical of dysfunctional party hijackers to deride the only two term Democratic President we have elected in THIRTY YEARS? Now what was it about Bill Clinton that made him so popular, Monica and all? Why………he was a……a……..MODERATE! Yes! That’s what he was! And that is why he got re-elected! Because the MAJORITY of the Democratic party is moderate too. I know…I know…this is such a surprise. To watch this primary, you would think that the majority is the minority. The majority to these delusional people are radicals and college kids. Now where have I seen this before? Was it McGovern? Mondale? Dukakis? It was all of them, brought to you by off the cliff left wing whack jobs who can’t make it in their own party. Thanks to them, we have only elected two presidents in thirty years. And they have the audacity to pretend that the Clinton years were terrible, which shows you just how delusional they really are. Once again, this party is about to be McGoverned thanks to them. Because adults don’t let radicals and children elect presidents. How many times does this lesson have to be taught?
Yup! It’s Dubya all over again. The minority is treated like the majority.
I’ve about figured this all out. The electorate has been realigned. We now have a one-party system in this country and the one party is the multi-millionaires representing themselves. The American People be damned.
Now I know why the Dems refuse to impeach the most criminal president in the history of this country. It’s a set-up. The Dems helped to impeach Bill Clinton–a truly democratic leader. Then, they take a pledge with the Repubs: we won’t impeach your puppet if you don’t impeach our puppet.
In keeping with the banana republic system the U. S. has evolved into I figure the Dems already have a plan to steal the GE for Obie. That’s why the chose a Chicago crook to run with ties to the Daley machine and that’s why they don’t care that they’re losing half the base.
I have one question: Has The Revolution Started Yet?
The democrats lost, but not for the reasons people like Dean, and Kerry and K** think — they lost because, ultimately, they could not recognize the scope, for many reasons, not least their own narcissism.
I have to question what it is Dean and Kerry represent, really, as Democrats, since they have fallen into the trap of us v them, because they appear to have co opted the corruption, and the violence. The men don’t know themselves, how can they define an enemy? They somehow think adopting the views of those engaged in an internecine narcissistic corrupt activity will prevail? Political pragmatism with the likes of Saddam?
None of them can close the deal, even Obama, and Rezko, despite the millions in dirty money, cannot manage their finances, always living beyond their means…
Why?
Buchanan was talking today that, in part, it’s a function of age. He was talking about the Republican party, of course, and their own issue of an aging leadership out of gas. But he mentioned that even the New Deal ran out of energy in the early 60’s.
I believe that was, in part, what appealled to some people about Obama. The idea of rekindling through dedication to a cause.
The problem that I saw is that there was no cause….except Obama.
Frankly, I understand that the racial issues are real, but a candidacy and a presidency devoted to race doesn’t seem to me to be exactly what we need right now.
But heck, maybe I’m wrong and he’s right! Certainly, the youth in my metro area could use a good dose of something beside crack cocaine.
I can’t really see that he has a vision. When it’s so self-referential, is there ever really a vision? That requires actual caring about people.
I debated this endlessly with an academic husband. He was all into the theory. Me, pragmatic to my core, and I saw that he got so lost in the big picture that no action ever resulted. Then, in turn, he supported others who never did anything. Like attracts like.
Adrenaline addiction is the only thing I see Obama get going on. He likes the anger, for sure. Otherwise, he is incredibly bored with this path he’s chosen.
I am just waiting for McCain to totally renounce Bush and start comparing Bush to BO–no experience, ivy-league stoked arrogance, sense of entitlement, all hat and no cattle. Bush has been a disaster and…..
Barack Obama is no different. He exaggerates the credit he deserves for a limited piece of ethics-reform legislation. He embellishes when he presents himself as having had a consistent record on the Iraq war when in fact he’s done a fair amount of zigzagging. He engages in doubletalk when, on free trade and Iraq, he tells the yokels one thing and the policy people another. He overstates when he presents his minimal accomplishments in the Illinois Senate as proof of his stature. He engages in systematic deception when he says he doesn’t take money from lobbyists. He presents a lie as metaphorical truth when he says it was the 1965 bloody Sunday attacks on peaceful civil rights protesters in Selma, Alabama, that inspired his parents to marry. (They had been married for years already.)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23643866-5013948,00.html
I don’t know if he would, but it would be a smart move, no matter who he faces.
IMO, anyway.
I would see the neocon nation as baggage, for anyone, dead weight, but perhaps it would create too much friction, and alienate support he needs.
But that’s supposing the neocons are behind McCain, maybe Cheney really IS behind Obama, feels they’re kindred souls.
Or was that Bush and Putin?
I just don’t “get it.” Maybe it’s my age. I’m now 60 years old - the same age as Hillary. I would never dream of running for any public office but I admire those who do and particularly women. I am so proud of Hillary. She’s smart, cares about ordinary working-class people, health care for all Americans, has spent all of her adult life in public service, and helping those who need a “voice” for them.
What is it about Obama? I think as others have said it’s the “money.” This is obscene that the DNC and certain democratic leaders have sold their souls for “filthy lucre.”
I still believe with all my heart that Hillary can cinch the nomination because we, her supporters, care about fairness and ultimately justice and we “will not go quietly into that good night.”
If, God forbid, Obama gets the nomination, then this Clinton supporter like so many others will not vote for him. My family and I care more about our country than loyalty to a party that seems to take us for granted and even worse - stands by while our candidate
Thank you for your service Bud White!
I guess you probably deserve some kind of medal surviving and actually retiring from L.A.P.D. right?
Rough area?
Well, I’m glad you’re on OUR side!
Thank you. Actually, L.A.P.D. was nothing compared to being 19 year old rifleman at the Battle of Bulge.
Hey Bud, I fought the Battle of the Bulge, too! On all fronts, not just the Western…
Good post.
Bud, retired LAPD, really? I had pegged you to be a 30 something, up and coming blogger…
But it makes sense that you should have all that experience in the way you put these human emotion thing together..
Why are the result more important in Oregon than KY? they have almost the same amount of delegates ( 1 delegate different)watch the press make such a big deal about an OBLAMEO win by 12 points and no big deal about a 25 point ass kicking in KY
oregon is more important than kentucky because obambi’s ahead in oregon.
south carolina is more important than ohio because obambi won south carolina.
it’s the new math, obambi style. anything good for him is important. anything bad for him is a distraction and doesn’t count as much.
sort of like indiana’s the tie breaker - oops, didn’t win indiana, so now it isn’t the tie breaker after all and i’ll just say i’m the winner anyway. msnbc will help me. russert will help me. etc.
and they wonder why we won’t vote for his skinny ass.
Bud, you capture the essence of the conversation we are having right now. Kristen is right — if they break it further, they own it completely. He is our affirmative action nominee. You just have to look at Byrd’s endorsement — he is so afraid he will be branded a racist and his clan connections resuscitated that he forgets he is endorsing the weaker candidate — a guy who lost his own state rejected by his own people.
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I didn’t realize that I had accidentally “lost or erased the last portion of my previous comment. The last sentence that I did not finish refers to the democratic party standing by while Clinton, her family, and her supporters are “trashed.”
We may forgive but we will not forget the savagery and misogyny that has been leveled against our candidate. To vote for Obama would be akin to a wife who has been beaten “black and blue” by her husband and goes back to him because he feigns “remorse.”
To vote for Obama would be akin to a wife who has been beaten “black and blue” by her husband and goes back to him because he feigns “remorse.”
I agree with this sentiment. Do they really expect to treat Hillary like that and then have her supporters come in the fold?
WTF are you people on about? It’s just insane. What the hell did Obama do to Clinton?!?!?! It’s Clinton’s campaign that has played dirty and that has tried to change the rules about 57 times. I mean they literally go around saying they have the popular vote by not counting 4 states that really counted and by counting 2 states that were not campaigned in. They give Obama 0 votes in Michigan. It’s freaking absolutely insane that you could complain about anything Obama’s campaign has done considering what Clinton has done.
Hey treble clef, what is so significant about the number “57″ for Obama and his bots?
Oh yeah, 57 states in the union, which means then, by your math–and including those other 7 states that already voted in other primaries (were these caucaus states too), but that Hillary was unaware of because she didn’t know they existed–and including all 57 states minus 2 plus 1 (that Obama has yet to visit), he’s won the popular vote. (How’s that for a run-on sentence?)
Now I get it!
BO’s stark resemblance to GWB has always been one of my main reasons for steering clear of his ship. Petulance, arrogance, resentfulness and laziness are just some of the character traits they share. I don’t think I can vote for McCain, but if he is the nominee I KNOW I can’t vote for Obama. I have the same gut reaction to both BO and GWB, they’re BAD NEWS. I felt that in 2000 and I feel it again, only this time its a Democrat. Since my gut feeling of 2000 has been proven right, I think I’ll keep following it.
Is tomorrow still the big “Victory Dance”?
Here a review of what it really is:
Obama’s May 20 Bash: A Cynical Replay of Election Night 2000 (with update)
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/obamas-may-20-bash-a-cynical-replay-of-election-night-2000/
As a soon-to-be former member of the Democrat Party (meaning: when Howard Dean steals the nomination for Barack Obama by disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida… I’m out!), I’m trying to get used to the idea of defending John McCain, but considering the insidious campaign of the most un-American, lying, corrupt, hateful, polarizing, demeaning, race-baiting con with the thinnest resume in Presidential history……. it isn’t all that difficult.
http://politicalpyro.blogsome.com/2008/05/19/round-one-mccain/
Obama is the ANTI-Bush. He’s intelligent & well spoken. A thoughtful person who will bring great respect to our country.
On the other hand it’s hard to tell McCain & Bush apart! http://www.Bush-McCainChallenge.com
END THE BUSH REGIME!
Actually me and my husband think Obama’s intelligence is overrated, we don’t see it, we don’t see it in his debates, or his pressers or his interviews; the man can’t think on his feet and all his gaffes, for God’s sake, this man will be an affirmative action nominee because everybody is afraid to evaluate him candidly for fear he and his supporters cry racist. He is another Bush but a bit better with a teleprompter and a good speechwriter.
YES! Pm317, that’s what I’ve thought from the get-go. I think everything about Obama is overrated: his intelligence, his “speechifying”, his accomplishments (a thin gruel when compared to Hillary’s meaty stew), and his appeal. I never found him inspiring but have always found Hillary deeply so. But then, unlike a lot of Obamaphiles, I’m a pragmatist, a realist, and I believe in researching candidates.
Hmmm, maybe Rev. Manning is onto something…
I hate George Bush more than I can say…but even George Bush knows there are 50 states and probably has since he was in 3rd grade - okay maybe 10th grade. And though I’m sure George had no idea where Afghanistan was when he took office (no oil = no need to know) I’m guessing that after lo these many years he probably is aware NOW and also knows that they don’t speak Arabic there. If you consider BO intelligent I can only blame ‘grade inflation’ in America’s schools.
Yes, end the Bush regime indeed and pave the way for the takeover of the country by Rev. Wright, Ayers and the Hamas? Better the devil we know. McCain is just a conservative and not a neo-con unlike Bush’s supporters. While Obama and his ilk are neo-liberals of the worst kind who will turn America inside-out in pursuit of their way-out-of-the-mainstream agenda. Fortunately, they will not prevail!
Barack Obama is the Manchurian Indonesian Candidate without any military service.
BEWARE of the RED QUEEN!!
Seriously. The guy’s a spook.
While the rest of us were Spring Breaking it in FL, Mexico, TX, CA - that freak was in Sharia law land.
Way the hell weird.
Why should he be POTUS if he’s afraid to disclose his passport stamps?
Put his creepy ass on a Homeland Security Watch List and ship him off to Camp X-ray.
Even though I’m a Republican, I’m pretty anxious to see if HRC wins the nomination. She’s the only Democrat I could be persuaded to vote for at this point, and if she were to get the nomination, I’d be doing some real soul-searching on Clinton versus McCain. If it’s Obama, it’s a no-brainer, lol. Stick a fork in him and see; he’s not done yet. Maybe in another 8 years, but certainly not now.
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And, just as with first one progressive and then another, from Larry and Susan, Taylor and Jerome, all the way to Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame [!]–each one was vilified in turn for supporting Hillary Clinton. So, too, with Kristen.
Reading the comments in response to her Huffington Post piece, was a shocking display of Obama-Mania. Hateful. Ugly. Nasty. It was a crawl through the sewer.
The responses from Obama supporters could not be distinguished from the comments of Ann Coulter.
That is who these people are: Ann Coulter.
I am no longer a part of this “party of Coulter-Clones.” So, I have no compelling reason to show party loyalty and vote for a nominee who is as corrupt as they come. Bush=Obama.
John Judis has yet another sign of the Bush-Clone Corruption we’ll see with Barack Obama. Read the full column to see why Obama is really just OBush. Here’s a taste:
Full Story at http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6e55fd8c-4774-4a3c-ae00-e2004369fbec
“perhaps we should be listening to former Republicans”
Perhaps ya’ll SHOULD listen to THIS registered republican - vote for Hillary. Seriously. She’s the best candidate out there.
I had the most horrible feeling yesterday that the Obama people planned to rip this country apart should he not achieve the presidency.
““destroyed any chance of health care” Actually, that was the Republicans with the help of complacent left-wing Democrats”
Oh it gets better. The adviser who killed the Clintons’ health-care reform because it did not have enough goodies for insurance companies was Jim Cooper, an insurance company lobbyist. Guess who is Obama’s health-care adviser? The same Jim Cooper.
These Obamadrones don’t know the first damn thing about their Messiah’s actual polcies. Most of them just gape when I tell them that he wants to privatize social security (his adviser on THAT issue is that well-known fighter for the little guy (hahaha1) AUSTAN GOOLSBEE.
Do the ‘bots know that Obama actually wants to have Colin Powell as one of his advisers? Yes, Colin “My Lai” Powell, hero of the neocon warmongerers, wh oput his lifetime of credibility on the line to promote Bush’s war (and later “regreed” it, too late for all those dead soldiers and Iraqis, of course). Only Georbe Bush has more blood on his nands than Colin Powell, but Obama’s “anti-war” supporters — do they know about this? Do they care?
I haven’t even touched on Obama’s rather shocking statements that he wants to return our foreign policy to the halcyon days of George Bush I and Ronald Reagan. He didn’t mention whether that included selling weapons to terrorists in order to fund the slaughter of pacifists, civil rights workers, priests, nuns, and children, by a group we called “freedom fighters” (Iran-Contra, for those baby bots who need to review their history). Is that what we are going to “return” to?
Spare me, ‘bots. Many of us, by virtue of our very age, lived through the horrors of the Bush I and Reagan regimes and we have NO desire to return to them.
ACK. “regretted” not “regreed”, George not “Georbe”, hands not “nands.” CRIMINY! Obama Derangement Syndrome is making me crazy man!!!
Bud, great analysis, as usual. I’ve been out of the country and it’s amazing to hear how others perceive this primary season: a blood letting, was one description I heard.
I would NEVER vote for Obama for many reasons, but not the least of which is the unremitting sexism and misogyny that he and the kool aid drinkers feel justified in spouting. In fact, I will work my hardest to make sure he’s never in office, for that reason only.
Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, John Kerry and a host of their kind have divided a Nation in the name of racism cloaked as historical achievement. I am proud of the progress this Nation has made since the days of the Jim Crow South. I am proud of the young men and women who changed the world with the light of their lives. Barack Obama has had some struggles I am sure, but the halls of Occidental, Harvard, and the other elite institutions he was blessed to attend were not bastions of the hatred, fear, and anxiety, that successful Blacks have had to endure and overcome. He is plenty Black today, but he did not have to overcome that. When it mattered Barry was not Black. His Blackness in terms of cultural experience was and is a decision. Oh that the rest of us could excercise such options. I applaud his White grand parents who chose to love him when the Africans wanted nothing to do with him. I have been to Kenya. They did not take to my fair skinned companion at all. If Barack had a platform or even some authenticity perhaps I would be impressed. However, he doesn’t, he is just a politician, probably the best ever. Not many people are as effective chameleons as Barack Obama. He has had a lifetime to practice his craft. If elected he will not be a Black President first or otherwise as defined by Toni Morrison in her assessment of William Jefferson Clinton.
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