Brûler les étapes: Kentucky Returns Open Thread
By Truthteller on May 20, 2008 at 5:45 PM in Current Affairs, Hillary Clinton, Kentucky, Open Thread
Another leg of this seemingly interminable campaign, another primary victory for Clinton: the indefatigable Hillary pulls ahead of the boys in the undulating topography of Kentucky.
Polls close asynchronously at 6pm and 7pm EST in Kentucky. Feel free to submit your predictions and analysis to this Kentucky returns open thread. Here are a few polls to guide you:
American Research Group, Kentucky Democratic Primary
14-15 MAY 2008
600 Likely Voters
Margin of Error, +/- 4.0%Clinton 65 (+36)
Obama 29
Someone Else 4
Undecided 2Survey USA, Kentucky Democratic Primary
16-18 MAY 2008
629 Likely Voters
Margin of Error, +/- 3.9%Clinton 62 (+31)
Obama 31
Other 5
Undecided 1Suffolk University, Kentucky Democratic Primary
17-18 MAY 2008
600 Likely Voters
Margin of Error, +/- 4.0%Clinton 51 (+26)
Obama 25
Edwards 6
Uncommitted 5
Undecided 11
I predict the following outcome:
Clinton 64 (+33)
Obama 31
Uncommitted 5
(small, medium and large sizes; for both dogs and cats)
+ 
go Hillary go
I am hoping for a blowout in KY and an upset win in Oregon!
Fox News has been so good to us tonight.
Britt Hume, and now Laurie Engles sitting in for OReilly. She just had Lanie on.
This must be what an opium hit feels like.
OK, so after all this polls, why is CNN reporting on their website that Clinton is only ahead by about 4 percentage points in Kentucky? I’m a bit worried…
Oops, I meant to say “THESE polls”…
It’s mostly the returns from Louisville that are coming in. That should be Obama’s strongest area.
Barry’s strongest area in KY is somewhere outside the state.
Yeah … Chicago!
Yeah, too bad for him Illinois is nowhere near Kentucky, eh?
I think it’s because some of the first results were from the county that Louisville (one of the largest cities in KY) is in.
I think it’s because some of the first results were from the county that Louisville (one of the largest cities in KY, and incidentally leans Republican) is in.
I note from the exit polls that the voters of Oregon think that the war, not the economy, is the big issue, and they are against the gas tax. Sixty percent of them describe themselves as “Liberal.”
Just like Maryland- elitists living their own little world out there. Voting for Obama because it makes them feel good, all the while sneering at the blue-collar workers to the East who they assume are all racist illiterates because they haven’t embraced The One.
Meanwhile, what’s with the count in Kentucky? Why so slow, and so close?
Why so slow, and so close?
I want both primaries to pass the smell test this time.
That would be nice. But don’t forget, the delegates are aware of the shenanigans and it gives them an uneasy feeling in their stomachs. They know all about Barry.
The polls just closed statewide at 7pm EST. So it really isn’t all that slow. Closer than expected but just barely a fifth of the ballots have been counted.
36+ Hillary.
An upset in OR would be ideal of course.
CNN online just called it for Clinton! No surprise, but a good sign.
CNN calls it for Hillary….the predict a 30% win.
KY keeps Hillary in the race. She will make it until the convention. I hope the whiny trolls can handle what we will do to Obama and them until August. And I really don’t think Obama has the balls to hang in there until then. He is a whiny brat himself.
ABC called it 2 minutes after the polls closed and projected a LARGE MARGIN!
YAHOOOOO!!!!
Outstanding. CNN exit poll looks like a win by about 35%!
How come ABC don’t seem to be controlled by Soros/Pritzker/Brazile?
ABC is Disney owned.
ABC is also owned by GE and the Bin Laden Family has large stock in ABC as well as CNN and CNBC. Fox is the only one right now showing any truth about the democratic rate and Osnama.
Fox News also.
I actually like their TV coverage; they’re less bland than CNN.
Way to go Kentucky!!!
Hillary is in it to win it!!!
You know — that is so damned comforting to see in PRINT (on my computer screen).
THANKS!
Does anyone have an idea when Hillary will speak? She will be on fire and I predict more on fire than you have ever seen her. And she will hammer away at the electoral map. That’s her best argument.
She’ll have to mention HillaryClinton.com first.
Because she spent all her money paying Mark Penn to tell her California’s delegates are winner-take-all.
Whatever dude. You are boring.
“Whatever”?
Your candidate needs you! I mean, she needs your money!
Don’t you have a bicycle or some video games you could sell?
Were you arrogant before you found Obama or has he worked his “magic” on you?
Oh go bite your pillow and just go away.
Our candidate is smarter and more people like our candidate than your candidate what’s his name (he’s gone by so many names).
John Beese,
Taunting is not good form - and more importantly - you’re not helping your candidate. How many potential Dem nominee voters - should your guy get it - do you think you’re reaching with your ‘hearts and minds’ strategy?
What is your purpose in being here, may I ask?
Perhaps the vast majority of people here would never vote for Obama, perhaps some may if he’s the nominee. You or I don’t know the answer. Passions are high for those that have candidates they support.
You may wish to consider what you’re doing and how it’s affecting your candidate. Take it for what it’s worth.
Democracy isn’t alway pretty but if you’re perceived as trying to stifle it, rightly or wrongly — well you take it from there.
http://politics.millionface.com/files/2008/03/microsoft_techsupport.jpeg
Joe at work…
Everyone please leave a thank you to Hillary and her team on her blog!
And make a donation and post that there with your comment.
Louisville is dead even, Lexington is barely going for Obama– and those cities have reported almost all their totals now.
264 to 34, 318 to 53, 219 to 19, 2771 to 670, 195 to 42, 251 to 47, 704 to 238, 387 to 90, 308 to 60— just some county totals in Kentucky, all with Hillary as the first total.
Oh yeah, if Obama is the nominee, Kentucky is in play. Sure it is.
Why is it that the MSM can’t, if nothing else until the OR polls close, limit themselves to only talking about Clinton’s victory in KY? They can’t say something positive about her, without following it with something negative. I truly hope OR is not as they anticipate.
Fuck the MSM. We will show them. Hillary will be our president.
The chairman of General Electric will spend a sleepless night fearing the wrath of President Hillary Clinton will defeat Obama and his troll army!
I saw one of your troll posts get nuked. I guess you are no longer welcome here.
You mean Jack Welch?
“Welch has also received criticism over the years for his lack of compassion for the middle class and working class. Welch has publicly stated that he is not concerned with the discrepancy between the salaries of top-paid CEOs and those of average workers.” Wikipedia.
What a nice man!
You should see the AP story. Talk about killing him. It will anger every single person around. “Although it doesn’t matter, she won Kentucky….” or close to that drivel.
AP needs to go.
The more the MSM is in denial of Hillary’s power the more power they give Hillary and us. We will beat these assholes.
*nodding*
They are turning into his worst enemy. The idiot is on TV now talking about McCain.
I shut off CNN.
His rudeness knows NO bounds.
as happy as i am
i am more pissed
BECAUSE -I SEE-DONNA-AND CNN KISSING ass of clinton voters
after they sunk her down ——-and now they fixing thier tone——so whats the use now —-
i could fucking kick in dean,s balls right now —-
where was dean–al-gore-kennedy when media was playing sexism with hillary
We will have to forgive them once they see the light and join us in nominating Hillary. But they do suck.
WELL
I KNOW –SOME WOMEN ARE BEYOND NICE AND THEY LIKE TO FORGIVE AND FORGET
I DO NOT WANT THAT —-
I DO NOT WANT ANY ONE OF US TO FORGIVE ANYBODY —ANYBODY–DNC—-OBAMAS–KERRY–KENNEDY–EDWARDS—AND MEDIA—–
ONLY NOW THEY THINK OF SEXISM AND ONLY NOW THAY WILL TALK ABOUT IT WHEN ITS ALL ALMOST FINISHED —
WHERE THE HELL WERE THESE EDUACTED PEOPLE AND DNC-ELDERS
WE DO NOT NEED TO VOTE FOR OBAMA
WE DO NOT NEED OBAMA
WE NEED HILLARY
We forgive them since we will need their help once Hillary is nominated. Maybe I was not clear enough.
YEAH –I GOT IT
BUT I WAS JUST RE-INFORCING THAT DO NOT FORGET AND FORGIVE UNLESS WE GET HILLARY
THX
Good jobs, Lou Dobbs, for just making a very measured comment about this being a *close race* based on delegates as well as popular vote.
I LIKE LOU —-
BUT WHERE THE HELL HE WAS BEFORE
ALL THESE LOOSERS —WHEN THEY WANT THIER RATINGS GO UP —THEY START SPEAKING TRUTH
LOOK AT FOXXXXXXXXX
NOW THEY KISS HILLARY AFTER TRASHING HER FOR LAST 15 YRS
BUT DNC IS THE WORST
DNC DID WHAT RNC COULD NOT DO —AND THAT IS –TAKE HILLARY OUT
ALL —CLINTON –VOTERS —-
MEDIA—OBAMAS–DNC—AND EVERYONE WAS TRASHING –HILLARYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
AND NOW THEY OFFERING PRAISES ——
WHAT THE FUCK ——WHY THEY DON,T SHUT UP NOW—-
******
******
******
HILLARY SUPPORTERS——
HILLARY SUPPORTERS—-
DO NOT FALL FOR OBAMA,S FAKE WORDS AND MEDIA,S CHANGE OF TONE
JUST CAMPAIGN FOR HILLARYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY AND CAMPAIGN AGAINST OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DO NOT GIVE UP
DO NOT GIVE UP
GET FIRED UP
GET FIRED UP
FIGHT FOR US AND FOR HILLARY
We are fighting mad and will keep fighting hard, no worries!
Tomorrow four more supers will come out for Obama. It’s the Fix. They don’t care what people say. But they will have their say in November anyhow. Been here. Seen this.
He won’t have enough SDs to shut her out. I’m not worried even if they parade out Gore.
Me neither.
They are so out of touch, it was this exact same group that took the US to Iraq, democrats to republicans.
No thanks, you’re ALL an embarrassment.
The politicians, I mean…
I AM NOT WORRIED
FUCK THEM ALL
but its not fair
its not fair
i hate it
i hate DNC–OBAMAS–DEAN
I REALLY WISH —I COULD MEET AL-GORE–EDWARDS-KERRY-KENNEDY
I JUST WANNA SLAP THEM
EACH ONE OF THEM ONE BY ONE
SLAP 100 TIMES AND COUNT –ONE—THEN SLAP 100 MORE AND COUNT –TWO
I AM A YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAS WATCHED A GREAT LEADER –A PERFECT MOTHER BUTCHERED IN FRONT OF OUR EYES —
WHERE WERE WE???
MY QUESTION IS —WHAT DID WE DO TO STOP IT ????
WE SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN EARLIER AND SOONER
ITS NOT TOO LATE
LETS GET LOUDER -LOUDER–LOUDER
Congrats to Hillary kicks ass when the voters care about the things that matter most.
As far as the exit polls in Oregon? well… things must be so economically rosey in their little part of the world that the economy is of no incident to them.
Oregon keeps Obama in the game. But he only knows how to play checkers. The chess master Hillary is in control now. Keep fighting, donating, volunteering and Hillary will be our next president.
OREGON HAVE LIBERALS –SO CALLED EDUCATED PEOPLE –WHO MISSED WATCHING THOSE WRIGHT VIDEOS—
WHAT?!?!? Politico reporting that Hillary is to give a concession speech in Florida (of all places!) this week. NOOOO! WHY??!?!?!? This makes no sense!
That’s a bunch of malarkey.
Ignore: it’s just a troll…these try this every time Hillary wins.
link? otherwise, lie.
Yeah, Pat, there is no link because it’s a lie. A troll should at least be clever, funny, intelligent, or something.
Since March, Hillz has taken RI, TX, OH, PA, WV, and IN.
No way. Her campaign manager is on FOX right now saying they are going all the way to the convention.
It’s going to be a convention fight. OMIGOD….
The networks should be hoping for that — people WILL watch. I remember as a little kid watching one of the conventions on TV — it wasn’t even live (Hawaii — delayed). I was really really young — but I remember that black and white tv and watching the drama of choosing the candidate.
The political conventions of the last decades have been sort of boring — that’s why people were “impressed” with Obama’s average speech 4 years ago — he was “different”.
Now we are going to see some real citizen arguing and who knows what sort of drama awaits the tv viewer in Denver!!
on-on to Denver. (HASHers know what the on-on is)
She’s not giving a concession speech. I just received an email from her campaign. The subject was “Every Time We Win” and it was all about going forward. They asked me to continue supporting her, which goes without asking.
I believe she’s going there to shore up the support for them to be seated. They are planning a very visible march on the DNC.
It’s a tsunami, folks.
Good for her, because that POS dean is going to do everything in his power to steal this election from her.
Yet, still, so inept.
Just like Baker, in FL, v Gore.
sounds like bull.
Good God, 3 out of 4 voters in Kentucky say they will vote for McCain, not Obama.
Goodness gracious……it’s a tsunami.
Hahahahah. I just saw a troll get nuked.
CNN
CNN
CNN
ON CNN
WHEN BLITZER WAS ASKING ABOUT SEXISM —-
THE STUPID ASSHOLE ON THE LEFT OF THE WOMAN NEST TO BRAZILE SAID ——WELL SOME NEED TO BE CALLED WHAT THEY ARE —-
U KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING —-BITCH—-
HE SAID THAT INDIRECTLY
WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE HAVE SOMEONE SO SEXIST LIKE HIM ON TV
Un-freakin-believable!
But you know, I say bring it on! It’s been my personal experience that a lot of men can dish but can’t take it!!
So I say come on with it: Fucker!!!
Early Exit polls 2 to 1.
I wonder how the “presumptive winner” manages to feel a sense of confidence when the “presumptive loser” keeps kicking his ass.
Chin up Barky. You go to November, then you go down.
Still, better to lose in November than lose in June, eh?
Oh, man you are stuck, aren’t you?
careful now, we know what happens when you try to troll — you get trolled, instead.
Jeez, take a hint, here, sparky.
Sparky for Barky!
or beese for BO.
But you like the smell of unclean pits, dontcha?
So nice to see the outsourced Indian troll call center has swung into action…
If you prefer to win the battle, but lose the war, sure.
I’m not quite sure people know what that means, anymore.
Loving your loser strategy.
We’ve always known that it’s only been about beat Hillary.
So who’s your daddy????
Rove by chance?
Love it.
Is this a huge turn out in voters? From the information on Foxnews.com in 2004 368,544 (Dems) turnout we are on pace for 600,000?
Good turn-out so far, and devastating to Obama. 3 out of 4 voters say they will vote for McCain in Kentucky.
He’s toast.
This is amazing stuff!
Yep. Ignore the trolls. I won’t respond to them anymore tonight.
This is a GREAT night!
Spin on your ass trolls, Hillary will be our next president!
Go Hill Go!
OMG: Hillary wins Kentucky! Does Fox News say this victory, completely expected, mean she deserves to be the nominee? What does Karl Rove think???
Be nice. Hillary and Karl are BFF now.
Get Lost. Go back to Huffington Post where you belong.
Karl is one of the few people on TV not taking it up the butt for Obama …. what about you? Biting your pillow?
A Kentucky landslide victory–not bad for a candidate who has already “lost.”
Imagine if the DNC, the MSM, and Obama (D-Manchuria) had been honest about the state of the race.
She probably would have won by +50.
Trying to call the race before it’s done is an obvious strategy to suppress voter turn out for Hillary.
Obama is a lost cause–even with the MSM and the DNC in the tank for him, he just can’t close the deal.
The DNC and the news media want our money. The news media needs us to watch their shows because their tanking and the DNC needs our money for the coronation. Not going to happen with this voter. Hillary or McCain. No going back. No Obamatron on any ticket I would vote for.
The rebellion has begun. The DNC and MSM know it. Party elders are saying they will vote for McCain in a match up against Obama. The trolls are blind to this as they are blind followers of their master. Little do they know their master is planning his exit strategy. He has bigger things to worry about (Rezko trial, videos coming out) than hurting the trolls feelings. I pity the poor trolls.
Quiz: What state did Bill Clinton (twice), Jimmy Carter (the election he won) and LBJ have in common? They were all presidents. They were Democrats. And they carried KY.
If Al Gore had carried it he would have been President. Its 8 EVs would have been more than enough.
McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Kerry, all lost it.
Some of the FOX commentators are clueless. One actually said that he thought Obama could get Clinton’s supporters via the right male VP, that Obama had to stand up to the Clintons and not let her force herself as VP because it’s an issue of his “manhood.” It took the black guy on the panel to say something along the lines of: “don’t you think that might upset some women?”
Geez, CLUELESS!
I’m not watching TV until Hillary speaks. Fuck these clueless talking heads who still think they will hand Obama the nomination. We will defeat these bloody bastards.
You know that saying they always used before Donna Brazile decided she didn’t need women:
When Women Vote, Democrats Win.
Haha. Kos is having a bad night. He just said Kentucky is “meaningless”.
KOS will be meaningless in a few months.
When did he ever have meaning?
I agree….and when Moveon.org’s money dries up due to their chosen candidate’s message, so will that group.
*Feeling Wicked here!*
Hillary must be taking this deal about Kennedy hard or, maybe, it’s the rude behavior yet again of Obama, ignoring the KY people altogether and yapping at McCain over nothing much.
It took her a bit to get warmed up for this speech.
Kentucky (per fox)
52% precincts reporting
Hillary Clinton 249,271 59.64%
Barack Obama 161,743 38.70% 0
John Edwards 6,950 1.66%
Exit polls, demographics
Among white women — Clinton’s core — she was winning with 73 percent of the vote.
Among white voters with no college education, another key group, she was winning with 74 percent of the vote.
Seventy-eight percent of seniors said they were voting for her
and among churchgoers, Clinton was leading Sen. Barack Obama with 65 percent of voters.
Among lower-income voters, those making less than $50,000 a year, Clinton was winning 66 percent to 31 percent for Obama.
Atypically, Clinton won among younger voters, under 30, 40 percent to 47 percent for Obama.
Edwards became a one per center on the heels of his Obama endorsement?
Told ya where that train was headed….
On Fox they said she has won 300,000 more votes since March than O’Blameo
We are going all the way to the convention!!!! Thank you Kentucky!!! We will keep fighting against all odds and we will win!!
Yes!!! Hillary for President!!!! YES!!!!!
Sent my contribution to Hillary! *woohoo*
From CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider:
(CNN) — In another sign of the challenge facing Obama among Democratic voters in blue-collar states like Kentucky, only 41 percent of them there said they would be satisfied if he wins the party’s nomination.
Among Clinton supporters, the number is even more daunting for Obama: Only 33 percent said they’d be satisfied if the Illinois senator is the nominee.
That compares to 76 percent of Democrats in Kentucky who’d be satisfied if Clinton wins the nomination.
With less than six months until the general election, the Democratic Party has a lot of healing to do.
Uppity Woman–exactly!
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/primaries/states/
Watch the numbers change! Check the county results!
Hillary is creaming Omamba!http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/primaries/states/
Are you all watching her? The LOVE her.
Congrats to Hillary on her win in Kentucky.
Just donated again!
Please go Hillaryclinton.com
Hillary’s win in Kentucky is a milestone because it unites a belt of support from the heartland that spans to both coasts.
From the Northeast, to the mid South, to the mid West, to the Pacific coast.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/primaries/
Plus Florida and Texas, states the DNC has tried to isolate, bot big Clinton wins in popular vote.
It’s amusing that you are breathlesslessly counting the Kentucky vote…
Don’t you read the papers? She was predicted to win
‘big’, in addition Obama didn’t campaign there.
Did you expect anything else?
I am surprised that Obama got that many votes in a conservative, ‘white’ state, without campaigning.
I expected her to win. I wanted a good solid turn-out, which she got. Given he’s acting as though he’s won, I’m very impressed that she got out the vote.
People are responding to her and showing up to show her that they admire her courage. That’s real leadership, btw. Not the talky stuff.
And I wanted to see the exit polls. He’s hemmoraging worse than even in WVA. The WRight story has not only NOT gone away, but apparently it has killed him totally.
Obama is toast. I have no idea what the idiots who endorsed him plan to do now, but they are in a pickle.
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I am surprised that Obama got that many votes in a conservative, ‘white’ state, without campaigning…
So far, we’re doing even better than you hoped, Truthteller!
83% in
65% Hillary
31% Loser
Hillay may win by 36 points. I am glad she exceeded my high expectations.
95% in!
66% Hillary
30% Sweetie McLoser
She did it!
Let’s look at what’s happening with the latest enlightenment about sexism! It’s a ploy to “persuade” us to join The One. However, they can’t contain their true feelings, even now, the boyz are still minizing Hillary’s kicking Obama’s azz in Kentucky and still talkin about that “math”, while his supporters are crying those hicks in Kentucky didn’t vote for him because they are racists and uneducated! It NEVER occurs to them that Obama’s message isn’t getting through and obviously, Hillary’s is.
They will not change unless we show that we are serious as a heart attack and stand our ground, just like Hillary has, when they’ve counted her out so many times, I’ve got whiplash.
As far as I’m concerned the DNC can KSM. I’m not voting for Obama, I don’t care how nice they are. They know they need us, they know we’re serious and now they think they can bamboozle us into doing what they always expected us to do — give in for the sake of party unity.
The party betrayed me. It’s Hillary or McCain, but it will never Obama, as far as I’m concerned. Period. Case Closed. Nada. Astalavista baby. Goodbye and good riddance and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.