Enough
By dcmediagirl on May 21, 2008 at 1:06 PM in Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, CIA, DNC, Delegates, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Florida, Larry Johnson, Michigan, Obama, Plamegate, Puerto Rico
It’s hard to post when your bloggy compatriots are doing such an able job of covering and analyzing the salient points of what’s amounting to be a debacle, but after last night I thought it was time to emerge from my bunker and have at it.
What we’re looking at here is one of the most blatantly dishonest, rigged elections seen in any country in recent years, including (fill in the name of a banana republic here). You thought Lyndon Johnson’s ballot box 13 episode stunk? Or that the Florida recount was a travesty? Well pull up a chair, folks, and get a good look at Election 2008.
This is not the ranting of a bitter, gun-clutching, God-lovin’ Obama hater. This is fact.
Florida and Michigan are still unaccounted for. Repeat: There is still no solution to the Florida and Michigan mess. Oh sure, Howard Dean promises to “do” something, but all that we’ve seen is that in this case inaction IS action; keeping Florida and Michigan out of the calculus is achieving the goald that so many in the party and press long for.
And yet, and yet. Despite features with adorable, fair and balanced titles like “Hillary Deathwatch”, the senator CONTINUES to blow Obama out of the water in key states. And no, she’s not Reanimator. She’s what we in the biz call “a candidate” participating in a thing called a “campaign”, where you don’t throw in the towel until all the goddamned votes are counted and there’s a clear winner. And what a nudnick her husband is! Only an insufferable blowhard would say the following about the Florida and Michigan mess:
“The Democrats said, ‘We’re going to decapitate them, smudge them, step on them, act like they never existed, act like they never voted,’” the former president said. “It’s very strange that the Democrats would be more authoritarian and more hostile to the voters.”
Good God! Who does this man think he is?? But then again, according to the Obamatrons, he’s just a racist anyway so whatever he says is driven by his twisted, KKK-mindset.
Just think about what happened after Florida 2000. Michael Moore became a gajillionaire. The Democrats becamed the wronged party, the party that stands for one-person-one-vote. Now Michael Moore is uncharacteristically silent on the subject of enfranchisement and Democratic leaders are shrugging their shoulders or, in the case of Donna Brazile, sending out unhinged e-mails to critics. We’ve come a long way, baby.
And for those of you who are bitchslapping Larry for speaking the truth, well, screw you. If he was a standup guy for, well, standing up for Valerie Plame and calling bullshit on Iraq, well then maybe, just maybe, you oughta give him the benefit of the doubt on this politics thing. They taught him a lot of cool stuff at the Farm besides how to stalk and kill people (not that I would know first hand that this is what they teach at that place, but I saw The Recruit).
Meanwhile, the DNC plans to empty the clown car hold a meeting of the rules committee on May 31 to decide…something. Maybe when to meet next. Or what sort of snacks should be provided in the VIP skyboxes in Denver.
And what, may I ask, will they decide that couldn’t have been arrived at weeks, if not months, ago? And what exactly constitutes a “fair solution” to this problem? A do-over? How about handing all the delegates over to Obama outright, and canceling the upcoming matches in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota and calling it a day? Or how about turning over all of Hillary’s delegates won in contests that “aren’t important”, like races in hillbilly states?
Nothing would surprise me at this point. Except, of course, for a fair, equitable solution where voters are enfranchised and the delegates are apportioned fairly and small-d democratically. But the fix is in. Don’t hold your breath.
We have a week to scream bloody murder at the DNC at turn the heat up so high they have to do the right thing.
I am very optimistic if we stay focused we can get them to do what they should have done all along.
I appreciate the reality of the situation but we have it within our power to change the outcome.
Keep fighting your ass off. Victory is within reach. Naysayers beware.
Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.The candidate who said he has this great talent for unifying people, a talent that shows up nowhere in his past, has created more divisiveness in the Democratic party than any figure in history.But the issue that has caused one of the most serious divisions is the one that Obama himself has created over race.
In CNN last night reporter said, that Obama comes here in Iowa, but very different from when he started here; he has managed to crush the huge Democratic Party machine, the Clintons..well it says it all, I wonder what the Republicans thinking of it..bravo BHO!!
Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.
Actually his rhetoric is a lot like Nixon’s too. We were watching the Sack O’ Shit on the telly the other night and someone said ‘who does he remind you of?’ And after a while we got it: Nixon.
He also has the same attitude about him as if he’s saying to himself ‘this is going to be easy - people are stupid’.
How about taking your “telly”, and going back with it across the pond?
This is American politics, not Communist/Marxist/Socialist ideology your country has been practicing since the 1920s.
THIS COMMENT IS RUDE AND UNDESVERVING.
ARE YOU CRANKY?
why so nasty? We’re not blogger boyz here.
You mean the same smirky attitude GWB had? Yup, he’s the Democrats’ GWB–Manchurian Candidate.
What a sad state this country is in.
Let’s cool the hyperbole here. That statement is nonsensical on its face, since it clearly doesn’t take into account one George W. “Mission Accomplished” Bush.
I’m not excusing the race-baiting we’ve seen from the Obama campaign, nor do I make light of the open misogyny expressed by the so-called mainstream media with regards to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s historic run. But as campaigns go, Sen. Barack Obama really has nothing on the amoral conduct of
the current White House squatter and his scumbag croniesthe Bush administration.The Clinton campaign’s failure to effectively contest Obama in small states holding caucuses instead of primaries is what accounts for the current differential in the delegate count.
They didn’t even try out here in Hawaii, opting to pick as Clinton’s state chair the State Senate president, who was more interested in garnering the title for her political resume than doing anything substantive, like maybe organizing the precincts. In fact, the day before the February 19 caucuses, she blithely predicted a statewide turnout of no more than 6,000 Democrats.
Instead, 40,000 people showed up - including over 10,00o Clinton supporters who pretty much came out on their own as individuals. By taking 20 of the 29 delegates, the Obama campaign picked up a net advantage of 11 in Hawaii alone, which pretty much offsets Clinton’s subsequent gains in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary.
There will be plenty of time to do a post-mortem after the convention. But for now, suffice to sy that the Clinton campaign under Mark Penn’s helm was never seriously prepared at the outset for a vigorously contested primary campaign, and were both outhustled and out-organized by the Obama campaign.
Rather, it is a testament to the candidate herself and her subsequent campaign manager, Maggie Williams, that they were not blown completely out of the water in the month following “Super Tuesday” on February 5, but instead rallied to make a valiant run for the nomination despite the daunting financial and logitical advantages enjoyed by the Obama campaign.
All that said, it’s not over. Tony Rezko’s fate in his Chicago corruption trial has to be decided by the federal jury, and the politicaal fallout from a “guilty” verdict is yet to be known. Despite the plaintive wailing of the Obama-friendly media, Sen. Clinton scored three smashing victories in succession in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kenticky despite being outspent by margins of 3:1. There has been no stampede of superdelegates as of yet.
So, let’s just see how this plays out, do our best to support Hillary Clinton in the homestretch here, and then go from there.
Hey, Donald. You happen to be wrong. Obama is VERY much like Nixon. I lived in D.C. during the early ’70’s and saw it firsthand (and had a friend who worked in the White House).
Seeing what this Chicagobama mob has done to Hillary, esp. through the media, is so Nixonian it’s not funny.
I never said that Obama’s campaign didn’t bear a vague resemblance to Nixon’s campaigns. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
I merely said that the previous post, by stating that Obama was the worst since Nixon, obviously failed to take into account the current occupant in the White House.
Look, I don’t care for Barack Obama, and I’m not here to defend his campaign. But to insinuate that he’s worse than George W. Bush is just nonsense.
He is behaving exactly like George W. Bush and he hasn’t even gotten the nomination yet. If you want to see what an Obama WH would look like see Gov. Rod Blagojovich (sp)–soon to be joining the list of IL governors learning a new trade in the Big House. Big Buds, same fund-raisers, same campaign manager and tied to the corrupt Daley machine big time.
Shut up troll.
Here he is again folks — Obama’s explainer.
Now we get a dose of well — why don’t we vote for snObama blah blah balh
Hey stupid — go away.
Why don’t you grow up?
Where exactly in my post did I say that I supported Obama?
If you can’t handle yourself in a political discussion without resorting to name-calling tantrums, then you’re a goddamned fool who offers absolutely nothing in the way of substance to either this conversation or the Clinton campaign, and you’ll what you truly deserve in this life.
Aloha, fool.
Being from Texas, I am forced to acknowledge HRC AND the voting public were not prepared for the impact of the caucuses. This seems to be the case in other states as well. However, this just highlights the majority of Obama’s delegates were not and are not the reflection of the popular vote. I can also attest to the fraud that went on during the Texas caucus. Caucuses disenfranchise voters.
I am very thankful the HRC was able to regroup and gather their strength to press on. Hillary is now leading in the popular vote and this lead DOES reflect actual votes. ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!
Your observation about the caucus system is spot-on. It’s a misguided notion that caucuses somehow reflects popular will. Despite the large turnout here in Hawaii last February, I’m convinced that had we held a primary election, such an event would have attracted upwards of a half-million voters to the polls.
Isn’t there a lawsuit being filed in Texas regarding the overt mishandling of the caucuses there?
Huh? Nixon is what made McGovern possible, and in return, why America didn’t vote for him.
Don’t you know anything about history — or did you shoot dupe in class, instead?
Bush never came close to the Nixon on outright polarization in this country — unless you live in San Francisco or Berkeley, where even saying God would be “FASCIST!!” lololol
Yet another closeted conservative outs themself with hate speech! Just thought I’d take the opportunity to “shoot a dupe!”
I’m not in the closet, dimwit, I’m out and about and damn proud, too. Every regular here know it, even.
Nub.
Now go back home to your Black racists, and make sure to get your shackles ready. I’m sure the New Plantation owners will be needing new slaves!
Chris,
Scud is one of the Plantation owners who was at the fundraiser for Obama in Marin County California - The same one where Obama dubbed us bitter, gun toting, Bible Clinging people.
Mahalo for offering your ignorant opinion on behalf of the “Hee-Haw” caucus.
I remember the Nixon races and at that time the level of vitriol and polarization associated with George W. Bush was unheard of.
Thanks for that reasoned thoughtful post Donald.
Oh wow - incredible thinking DNC - giving a state like Hawaii (where Obama was born) that has only 4 electoral votes the same say as a state like PA with 21 electoral votes. Not to mention Hillary winning the state by 200,000 votes! (That’s many times more than HI). Why? Could it be b/c Hillary has roots in Scranton, PA? No - couldn’t be, it’s just stupid DNC rules and that’s why we keep losing for the last 40 years! Anyone who defends this stupid system is undemocratic and should move to a banana republic where’s they’ll fit right in.
This has nothing to do with state populations. It has everything to do with the overall delegate count. Quit the dick-swinging, and do the math.
By failing to contest the caucus in a small state like Hawaii, which has only 29 delegates, the Clinton campaign incurred a deficit of 11 delegates when all was said and done on February 19.
And for all the hard work she put into winning the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, that inspiring victory garnered for her only 10 more pledged delegates from that state than for Obama.
Add the pledged delegate counts from the two states together, and Clinton is still down one delegate. That’s why Hawaii cancels out Pennsylvania.
And that’s also why it was a foolish decision on Mark Penn’s part to concentrate precious campaign resources on the bigger states, and cede the small states to the Obama campaign. Just add the differentials of Hawaii, Alaska, Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota together, and Hillary’s in the hole by over 50 delegates. Even if you add the Clinton-positive differentials of Ohio, Pennsylvania and California together, she still doesn’t make up that deficit.
Now, I happen to agree that we need to re-think how we choose our nominees, because I do believe that the big states and swing states should be factored into the decision, and that Hillary Clinton is in fact the stronger candidate against John McCain. But by dismissing the small states and the role they have under the current rules, Mark Penn proved himself to be merely a grossly overpaid political dumbbell.
Hehehe!
And von Neumann’s observation about physics is relevant to the Democratic nomination process - how?
Look, I didn’t write the rules here. Frankly, I don’t like them any more than you do. But it is what it is, and things don’t necessarily have to make sense to still be very real. I prefer to have my feet on the ground, and deal with that reality, rather than console and / or delude myself with visions of what could and ought to be if I had my druthers.
Regardless, this nomination will be decided by the superdelegates, because neither candidate will have garnered the sufficient number to cross the threshold with pleadged delegates alone.
As the famous American philosopher Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over ’til its over!”
Well, I wish obama had been born four years earlier and we wouldn’t even have to deal with him…
Great post…and on the money. And I agree with you, too, that Maggie and getting rid of Penn was the key to the turnaround.
I also personally think that’s why she’s steely now. She feels responsible in a way for the way this has gone down.
Now we get to see the real Hillary. She’s fabulous. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier.
She has ALWAYS been fabulous, brilliant, responsive, and responsible; people don’t see when their eyes are closed. I’ve been crazy about her from DAY 1. But then, I’m from Arkansas, and I’ve worked with her. There is no better person to be President of these United States.
You go, Hillary!!!!!
I have called the DNC and asked them why they haven’t held a press conference to make sure the facts are out there. They are so defensive it is almost funny. All they say is that they are having this meeting on the 31st of May, but can’t say where or when. They are so busy trying to defend the indefensible that it is sickening. When you ask a question you can hear panic and desparation. It is hard to defend lies and a conspiracy to rig the primary system. I think we should all refer to the DNC as a conspiracy to rig this election. They should be sued by a group. Or charged with fraud. This can not be legal. I would like to hear Donna and Howard have to testify under oath!!!
Unfortunately it has nothing to do with legality. The DNC is a private organization that can make it’s own rules. People don’t have to join. That said, I’m for Hillary going all the way to the convention. There’s nothing the DNC can do to stop her (and still themselves democrats). What’s needed in this country (after Hillary’s 8 years) is MORE political parties that give every American a voice. We’re the only first-world democracy that only has two parties. See how well that works out? You’ve got latte-drinking liberals in OR who don’t have to worry about the economy voting for an empty suit who will do nothing to help hard working Democrats in the swing states. Just a bad system, these people do not belong in the same party.
here ya go…
http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008electionblog/blog_index/dems-outline-agenda-for-meeting-on-florida-michigan-delegates/1017/
the MAP shows us that SHE can do it.
It’s the MAP, not the math.
by the way, the map was the inspiration for shirts & buttons
http://www.cafepress.com/gigglechick/5576515
(a portion of the proceeds from what I sell go to Hillary…)
Hillary wants us to vote Dem in November.
To do less dishonors her wisdom & her wishes.
Let’s be smart like Hillary and work to support the Dem nominee, whatever happens.
Hillary wants us to take this country back, and you never really supporter her values or her vision if you act like a paid troll McCainiac.
Hillary Knows Best!
Shut up. Fool.
The ‘fools’ are those who reject Hillary’s wisdom.
If you won’t honor her voice and her insight, go back to Free Republic since you are obviously a paid McCainiac troll.
Real Hillary supporters will do the smart thing and vote Dem in Nov.
McBush’s third term is the real enemy.
Shut the fuck up, dipshit. I honor MY OWN VOICE and MY OWN BELIEFS and they do not, in any way, jive with Obama’s bastion of greed and narcissim. With your logic, all of Edwards’ supporters would have honored his idiotic decision to endorse Obama. How did that pan out?
You are so Obama it stinks to high heaven. Obama people are so obvious.
I agree it would be awful for the country to have McCain as president.
However, it would be awful for the Democratic Party to have Obama. To me he is another Republican.
Our country is in such a terrible mess. It requires an especially strong, experienced and competent president. I have not have heard one specific idea from Obama about what he would do to fix this mess. Not one. There is nothing he has ever accomplished to give me confidence that he has any idea what to do. For me it’s not his associations that are the biggest problem. It’s that I’ve seen nothing to satisfy me at all that this guy has any idea what to do to fix the economy, which is our biggest problem.
That aside, I think he’d do more than McCain, just because he’s a Dem instead of Repub. McCain will just continue the robbery of the people by big business. I fear so will Obama, but it won’t be as blatant.
But if Obama gets in we’ll be telling Dem Party they can continue to ignore us, to continue to put up empty suit rock stars.
I don’t think they’ll allow Hillary to get the nomination at this point.
I still wonder about a third party. One that actually is strong, does something. How much chance is there that it could win with Hillary?
Maybe, if the Democrats are so willing to lose the White House, we should consider throwing our coordinated strength behind McCain, IN RETURN FOR compromises from him on the issues we care about, like the Supreme Court, Iraq, healthcare, education, economy, etc. Remember, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. We don’t have to be Democrats if the Democratic party won’t represent us, and would rather give away the White House to McCain than fight for it–and get nothing in return for the give-away.
Are you for real? Go Away. You don’t have what it takes to be a concern troll. Go over to LGF and take a few lessons.
This one is an especially patronizing little fuck, isn’t he folks?
Ditto!!!!!!!
go away, repetitive troll. we saw hundreds of such posts last night.
hillary or mccain. no other option
Last night Hillary said:
You dishonor Hillary if you vote for McCain.
Then again, you are nothing but a paid McCainiac troll.
Hillary & I will take this country back for the Dem nominee without you.
Hey “Yes We Will”,
We are WOMEN. Not stepford wives.
It’s Hillary or nothing.
But, nice try, wuss breath.
It’s Hillary or the highway.
Obama has made people hate him.
He is the most hated man in America today.
The trolls just make it appear that Obama has support. He really doesn’t.
trolls are paid hacks.
How much does Obama pay you for this stuff?
Ellen, not enough if you ask me. BARKY, needs to get his money back.
Yes We Will, you are clearly a NObamabot troll, oh are you one of those 400 paid bloggers for Barry??? If you really believed in Hillary you would simply know that most of us will never vote for BO. He doesn’t deserve my vote. Like I said, Hillary may ask, but we don’t have to follow like freakin’ lemmings over the cliff. I have always voted for the person. And I am disgusted that BO is a Democrat. He disgusts me.
Dear Yes We Will,
No You won’t.
We will take this party back AGAIN just like last time you off the cliffers tried this. We will take it back in four years. Then we will talk about Hillary again.
She’s talking about herself. Christ. Get a clue, spanky.
Fortunately for this country, unlike Obambots, Clinton supporters are by and large not robots. We think for ourselves. Though we support Hillary and are convinced she would be the best President for this country, we are not obligated to follow her every command. We respect her, but we disagree on this.
We oppose Obama for very good reasons and those reasons will not go away. It is not just that we like Hillary better (we do), but we truly feel an Obama Presidency would be a catastrophe for our nation. We are Americans first.
No matter who tells us different. He is a bad candidate and he would be a terrible President. I won’t vote for him. I don’t care who asks me to.
Ha! I saw the speech, she actually said..elect a dem president, whomever SHE will be.
Obamabots, don’t you dare act now that you are giving Hillary credit for ANYTHING. Most of us are not voting for Obama no matter what. Deal with that and live with it in the bitter fall.
Most of your ilk said they would not have voted for Clinton either if it was reversed.
Yes, whoever, she will be…
That’s right! Hillary or McCain. There isn’t enough time in a year for Obama to change my mind and at this point, there are only about 5 months left to the general. So, if he is handed that nomination, this is one vote he can kiss goodbye!
Do NOT speak for Hillary — TROLL.
GO TO HELL — Just like the jerk who claims to be from Hawaii — GO TO HELL.
Hillary may ASK us to support BO IF he steals this nomination, HOWEVER it doesn’t mean we have to vote for a man so unqualified to be POTUS that it’s painful, not even funny. NObama. Never.
hey,troll boi, (really an old man) can you do an ascii finger?
psssst–
it’s the key…
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Not happening!
If Hillary called me personally on my cell phone and asked me to vote for Obama I would respectfully decline. I have already resigned from the Democratic Party (40 years of only voting Democrat…) Obama is an inexperienced, criminally associated, devisive and racist candidate and he will never, (DNC do you hear me???)NEVER get my vote. I am sick-to-death of hearing that bumbling baboon, Howard Dean and the absolutely rabid and caustic Donna Brazil state over and over and over again “the Clinton supports will get behind the nominee.” What freaking planet do these morons live on? They have no idea what is about to hit the Democratic party. Thousands, (and that is reality) of CLinton supporters plant to resign from the party on a specific date should the DNC nominate Obama. And while I am at it, I am sick of being called a racist simply because I see through the empty, devious and elitist suit that is Obama. I can think of at least 25 reasons not to vote for him and the color of his skin isn’t one of them.
Between the DNC and the mainstream media, Obama has been forced down the throats of voters and I simply refuse to swallow.
The Obama should have smarter than to offend half of the voters in his own party. Americans don’t just GIVE candidates what they want, Americans expect candidates to earn their support. Oh that’s right, he’s black so if we don’t vote for him, we’re racists. He would have the distinction of being the first Affirmative Action nominee–don’t “interview” him to see if he’s qualified, just hand him the nomination based on his race.
wow….how covert….NOT
Notice the English and phrasing of the trolls. Obama’s campaign has literally outsourced his trolling harassment force.
A few weeks ago encountered several in a blog, awakened a friend with an IP checker, he entered blog, found 4 Indian and Phillipino IPs.
Below 2 examples of confrontation:
Just for the record: Kizeem is not posting from a US ip., nor US time zone.
Probably not a US voter. Just “an out-sourced” Obama “harasser” as mentioned in the comment about the Obama “clog the blogs” posters.
Guess he/she works the mid-night shift!
Posted by: Mike | Apr 5, 2008 7:25:28 AM
To Mike,
You make me laugh. There is nothing like Obama outsource ‘harasser’, whatever you mean. For your info, I am going to be in PA on 4/22/08.
So, see you there.
Posted by: Kizeem | Apr 5, 2008 7:32:00 AM
No Bama ever!
Oh now we vote for Barack and his nasty low class wife to “honor Hillary”?
Bullshit. I honor myself and my country by voting against that fraud.
AMEN!
Clinton WILL NOT lose because DNC f*ked up!
Tonight on Fox, Rove talks about the KY and OR election. I’m giving them my viewership because they have thus far provided the only balance in our primary.
Rove has been accurate- so far.
I’ll watch him, and hope that he continues avoiding partisan interest and manipulation.
When I first discovered the word “CORPORACRACY”. It was like a shining light of truth on what you and your husband and prior Presidents had stretched the plasticity of the internal workings of population to achieve. The “DESTRUCTION” of “LIBERTY”.
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You have stolen from the Retired Military personnel thru legislation You have lined America up for “advanced Socialism”. Your Party members (i.e. Rostenkowski did ignored violations of law by those who work in positions of authority).
Your regimes of government have caused overwhelming loss to me personally. Moreover, my pleas are shoved in my face and would be shoved up my as s if your authority agents could.
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You have supported corrupt Judges who have made false entries in records. In addition, the list go’s on.
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Citizens have no rights. Liberty has been diced. Your thought process needs to be adjusted in a Prison Camp. Then reintroduced to society thru Prison internment adjustment. Then a couple years of deplorable deprived existence in some desert Country, that lacks water.
Then, just maybe then, you could have some concept as to what “ induced oppression “ delivered from a psychopath is like.
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Isn’t that interesting?
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I scraped for what I have maybe it time for you to do some scraping. Let us discover who the criminals are?
And these idots at the DNC think that the voters of FL and MI will obediently vote for Obama after Dean anoints him.
David Axelrod is an expert at marketing and opinion manipulation. He and his colleagues know people better than they know themselves. Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side!
The Dark Side should not underestimate our anger.
That is for damn sure!!!!!!!!
After months of attacking Hillary and thus ALL women — we will not forget nor forgive!
Obama is being supplied tons of money by Former electricity minister, Aiham al-Sammara worth 650 million, Saddam and Rezko business party Nadhmi Auchi worth 2.7 billion, and our own George Soros. What are these people planning , some ELITE power structure. Maybe an America payback, one thing for sure it don’t include us…Politicians, superdelegates, friends everyone turning on each other for the money. There selling the country for their own GREED
our own George Soros
I was surprised to learn this. Born in Budapest and educated at LSE and Oxford.
Why? Reds and Pinkos have been in those schools since the 1920s. COMINTEL even recruited there.
Why surprised? Everyone knows he’s not an indigenous American and he’s Hungarian. His partner in crime is Arianna Huffington who is also of eastern European extraction. Wasn’t she some kind of Madame in CA when she ran against Ahhhhnold?
The audacity of this is that George Soros formed Move-on.org to aid Former Pres Bill Clinton fight the rove attack machine. He’s another traitor.
Funny, I found a gas bill addressed to an Alsammarae in my mailbox, yesterday.
Really.
Will coincidences never cease….
This is why none of us should vote for Obama if he’s the nominee. There is some diabolic plot afoot and Obama is the lynchpin–the puppet. It’s more sinister than Rupert Murdoch’s takeover of the Republican Party.
The fix is in. Four of the truest words ever written.
Oh, here’s another four words: FUCK YOU, Democratic party!
HELL OF A RANT, MediaGirl — and so glad you’re standing up for Larry. We’re all getting attacked. I’m now an infamous racist and the only person worse than me is, horrors, Taylor Marsh.
Fuck ‘em all. KEEP RANTING.
Susan!
I’ve just figured out how the Obama campaign works. It’s like the thuggees in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. They’ve all drunk the blood of Kali! I found this link at Taylor’s: [CLICK HERE]. Go see what went on there - if you dare.
KALI MAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
You kiss yours with that stupid ass…
Susan
That is awful. So terribly sad that rotten excuse of a person, Obama, has destroyed the minds and sanity of other people.
Surely you realize the Zoids will need extensive de-programming, so you don’t buy their lousy mis-labeling right?
BASTA!
It’s too late for a new party this election cycle, so I’ll vote for McCain.
Any other vote is a vote for Oblowme.
We need to plan now for 2012.
Why are so many people sure the rules committee is going to commit political suicide on May 31?
There’s plenty we can do to sway them and I refuse to be a pessimist and will fight on.
Hillary has shocked a lot of people including some of her own supporters so why abandon her now at her greatest time of need?
Naysayers are called naysayers for a reason. I ain’t no naysayer.
Lets see Hillary through this all the way to her nomination!
Because anything else involves acknowledging that they screwed up big time. Not these assholes. they will put on a little dog and pony show, but whatever they do, it will involve screwing Hillary and the voters.
They certainly will not follow the RULES and strip Obama of all the delegates he “won” in Florida because he broke the RULES by campaigning after signing a pledge not to. RULES only apply when they benefit Obama.
Nah*….they could seat 50% and that would work. MI is trickier.
But Hillary isn’t going to make it easy for them.
Moreover, who knows what’s happening between her SDs and the DNC right now. They could be exerting pressure.
The DNC may be able to skew things for Obama, but they can’t kick out half the party. LOL*
Why should they only award half of the delegates in Florida. The rule to leave them out was stupid in the first place but perhaps knowing Obama could not win both those states anyway they figured a way to help put the fix in a little better. These delegates should be seated as voted. In Michigan Obama took himself off the ballott because of political reason and for none other. He was afraid Iowa would not look favorable on him. Hillary should get the delegates she won and while a lot of the delegates of uncomitted voters might well belong to Obama not all of them do.
the most likely thing is that they will count all of them IF obambi would win anyway. they will count half of them IF obambi would win anyway with half of them counted. they will count none of them IF obambi only wins that way.
it’s all about making obambi win and they think we’ll just fall in line later.
screw ‘em.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
It’s Affirmative Action. Barry gets extra points.
Enjoy the GOP Supreme Court, you idiot.
About that 50% idea…
“At least slaves were counted as 3/5 of a citizen, for purposes of distribution of Congressional seats, before President Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation. What Howard Dean proposes is a return to conditions worse than slavery, where Florida’s several million Democratic voters are counted as 1/2 a citizen.”
-Lyndon LaRouche
Yes, but in a schizophrenic twist slaves could not vote. Your point is invalid.
But Florida voters are being disenfranchised, what’s the difference?
I think the pessimism is a guarded pessimism based the realities of realpolitik. As Uppity wrote today: politics is for bullies. People on the side of the Hill have played it nice. The Obama people have never played it nice. Obama’s never played it nice. He threw his friend Alice Parker under the bus, he’s had henchmen destroy his competition so he’s never had to run a real campaign - that dude is entitled!
They play to win. They lie, they cheat, they steal. Just like the GOP. Whilst people over here continue to believe in ideals, in principles - and obscure things like elections actually being about issues and policy decisions. And that’s why people are pessimistic.
For the fix is in. There is too much money that’s changed hands. Those who could do the right thing found themselves bought long ago and know now that although they may be backing a bad person there’s nothing they can do about it: break ranks and the Axelrod/Daley/Obama/Rezko machine will destroy you.
I think that’s a political reality and I think a lot of people understand this intuitively and I think that’s where the (guarded) pessimism comes from.
Politics is a bully’s world. In politics, you get several choices. You can be bribed, and if that doesn’t work, you can be threatened. If that doesn’t work, you can be set up for the kill. Your other choice at these times is to ignore the noise and stick with what you truly believe is right. As you can imagine, this is not usually the easy choice. This is just one more amazing thing about Hillary Clinton.
- Uppity
so true.
and now they’re having obaby’s pal zogby put out polls showing obaby with a double digit lead over mccain - typical zogby bs. the idea is to undercut hillary’s (true) argument that she can beat mccain and obaby can’t.
they don’t give a shit anyway. it’s all about getting hillary out and obaby in.
screw ‘em. screw ‘em. screw ‘em.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Thanks for this post. This rigged election just might turn me into a mean white bitch! And a proud one, at that.
I just keep writing the Rules Committee and reminding them I’m voting for McCain if they are dumb enough to let Obama steal the nomination. They don’t have to listen to me now, but they’ll hear from me come November!
Keep writing them. Can call the DNC and tell them you are withholding donations until they seat ALL the delegates.
Hear! Hear!
I too have sent man e mails to the DNC. Everytime I get a request to donate to them I send one saying I will when they do the right thing and seat Florida and Michigan as voted. I know others doing this as well. Maybe we can overload the system.
I usually return their e-mails and letters with the words NO FLA NO MI NO MONEY.
There was a better idea last night at the tm site.
Put monopoly money with chickens drawn on it and return the mail to the DNC on their postage.
If the primary is the DNC practice run, then the fix is in for the general election as well, going to all 50 states allows them to fine tune the process. Who would want to orchestrate a coup of the US Government?
Who would want to orchestrate a coup of the US Government?
- The subprime predators. Obama’s got two on the payroll: the Pritzker sisters. (Doesn’t it kill you he cites Paula P as the one that’s going to get the country out of the subprime mess?)
- The health care predators. The HMOs, the pharmaceuticals, the insurance companies, the hospitals. Put through mandatory and they’re toast. Barry won’t commit to mandatory because the predators would never stand for it. By suggesting a plan that essentially does nothing he’s sending a message to these predators: ‘I’m your man’.
- The energy predators. Oil is horrible but it keeps a lot of people rich. As does nuclear energy. Think ‘Barry - Bill Ayers - Exelon’ and you get the picture.
- The media. They’re just plain downright puerile sexually underdeveloped misogynists. Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, et al: these people have serious sexual developmental issues.
So you people think its perfectly fair to count Michigan vote as is, even though Senator Obama’s name wasnt even on the ballot?
So the people of Michigan’s voice counts as long as they dont have a choice in who to vote for?
You people dont care about democracy or fairness, just doing whatever it takes to make Clinton the nominee. In that sense you share a great deal with Madame Clinton.
Troll, do we have to counter your “logic” with facts again?
Obama took himself off the ballot by choice. The voters spoke and will be counted.
You betcha. Everyone knows that he and Edwards set up phone banks to get out the vote for uncommitted. THAT, btw, is a direct violation of the pledge he signed.
He was begged by the Dems in Mich. not to pull this stunt and to leave his name on the ballot. Nope. He didn’t want to risk losing to Hillary.
Them’s the rulz. He withdrew. I believe that uncommitted get seated…..AS UNCOMMITTED.
AND wasn’t DODD running for President??
wasn’t GRAVEL running for President???
they both left their names on the MICHIGAN ballot (did dennis too?)
they talk like she was the ONLY one that kept her name on
and SHAME ON OLD MAN DODD FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HILLARY ON THAT!! THAT FREAK WAS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL!
DOES NO ONE HAVE ANY SCRUPLES ANYMORE???? ARE THERE NO MEN LEFT?
ASIDE FROM THE ONES THAT COME HERE!
I’m optimistic. Koch said he’s crossing over to vote for McCain. Ferarro said she’s probably not going to vote for Obama. It’s starting.
I swear, it was those 2 gals from Ohio who got up their nerve and went on O’Reilly. Everyone in the country was thunderstruck.
Holding up a homemade poster with only an e-mail address?
That was stunning.
Obama must have had more than has 2 cigs that day.
You right there - your type of man is a real man - thanks for being here for the women.
Dodd is a complete sack of _____. Mostly it’s because hillary is a woman, plain and simple.
These guys don’t have the cajones to support a tough, independent woman, and yes, a bitch, just like me.
Ben: Your astute observations indicate that you gave a lot of thought to what I wrote. Thanks for that. But based on your coherent, persuasive comment, I’ve given the matter some more thought, and I’ve come up with some possibilities. We can kick Michigan and Florida out of the United States. We can just hand their delegates over to Obama, no hard feelings. But now that I think of it, I think we should fly you to Michigan and let you go from townhall to townhall explaining your interpretation of democracy and fairness to angry Democrats. I’m sure they’ll understand.
come on - you know the truth
BArry took his name OFF voluntarily
AND started a campaign for those who would choose him to vote “other” or whatever it was called
they have the facts to back this up
also Barry cheated and ran ads in Florida (by rules that disqualifies him his delegates from FL as well) IF WE”RE following RULES.
Sen. Obama chose to take his name off the ballot no one force him to. He took it off because he was getting creamed in the polls, let him live by that choice.
Obama removed his name from the ballot as a campaign ploy in Iowa. Yes, the delegates should be seated as elected. All of the uncommitted are still uncommitted and will vote their conscience in August.
Ben! You little runt! Did you hack through the parental controls again? No tapioca for you tonight, young man!
Baravck Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot in Michigan for political reasons for frear of a backlash in Iowa. He also denied a revote as it was not politically to his advantage. I do think hre should get a good portion of the uncommitted vote since as I understand it people were told if they did that it would mean a possible vote for him. To think all undecided would be his though would not be correct. We want fair here but how can it be fair when one candidate would not approve a revote. Of course not because he would have lost all over again and then maybe he would have to acknowledge that people aren’t as stupid as he makes them out to be.
Oh yes, the Michigan ballot. The one from which Obama had his name removed because he didn’t have a prayer of winning. But his campaign supporters urged people to cast votes in the uncommitted column to keep Clinton’s numbers low. Is that the Michigan we’re talking about, the state that was denied a democratic voice?
Cut me a break!
And where is the concern for the popular vote, the vote that Donna Brazille threatened to leave the party for if a candidate were given the nomination on “mere” delegates alone. There’s no puzzle why the Obama folks want Clinton out. She’ll have the popular vote [she has it now]. She’ll have the winning electoral college vote by the states she’s won [she has it now]. And a huge number of Clinton supporters will not vote for BO because he’s unqualified and inexperienced [he's proven that already 10 times over].
Cut it anyway you want. The DNC will run the weakest candidate if they persist. They will lose to John McCain in November. And they’ll deserve to lose.
I just received a note from the DNC, begging funds again. It starts with John Dean informing me of an “unfunny joke.” I flipped it back with a note of my own: Here’s an unfunny joke, Mr. Dean. If you persist I’ll contribute to the GOP. And I’ll pull the lever for John McCain in the fall.
Pretty funny, huh?
Did Dean think those states would have gone for Clinton, and disenfranchised them to spot Obama points?
Pathetic.
You’re RIGHT!!!! the Fix Is In.
Top Obama Organizer Paul Tewes in Discussions to Run Democratic Party
by Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama is quietly planning to take over the Democratic National Committee and assemble a multistate team for the general election, the latest sign that he is putting rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and the nomination fight behind him. Top Obama
organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to run the party, several Democratic officials said Tuesday.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/21/top-obama-organizer-paul-tewes-in-discussions-to-run-democratic-party/
I think you guys are exaggerating this. He’s just setting up the usual campaign arm and leaking the story to further fuel the presumptive nominee thing.
He’s the frontrunner. The race is coming to an end. We DO have to set the stage for the Fall.
But there’s no DNC shake-up from the way I read the article, anyway.
Thank you.
The fear level around here astounds me.
Cool heads must prevail.
The battle continues.
Hey…..here’s a gift for you. Hillary picked up 2 SDs today. *woohoo*
Hey that’s great!
I have my knight’s armor at a ready for the “stampede” of Obama SDs this week.
Nobody is overexaggerating anything. In Tennessee we say - I’m from Texas but they say this in Tennessee - fool me once and I’ll tell you to show me your cards.
There’s no reason to not be on your guard. The Wormtongue who tells you there is nothing to fear is your enemy. You never never never never underestimate your enemy.
I have multiple responses:
A). This is the ranting of a … in direct violation of your own standards.
B). There is no disenfranchisement, please educate yourself to simple facts. There is no right to vote in a primary for a specific party, only a right to vote for the president in the general election. Secondly, Florida and Michigan voters were aware when they cast that they were non binding delegate votes. Third, to use your innaccurate word, does it disenfranchise people who didn’t vote in MI or FL because they wer told it was not binded to a delegate?? No one ever answers that one.
3). Why did HRC agree to this in the first place if it was rigged against her? Why did her main man Terry do nothing about it when he had the absolute power to do something about it? If anything, this process was set up for the frontrunner, Hilary and her campaign need to realize they messed up badly…
4). Kentucky and West Virginia are key states? Are you ill?? I give you PA was huge, but those 2, um, no!
5). A revote should happen, i guess, of course if it does, then you’ve got the problem of other states knowing the rules don’t need to be followed, but hey, we should just change the rules because you are crying!!
6). And i got no probs with larry, I have problems with the name calling and utter dismissal of rational thought perpatrated by people like you in writings like this
Yawn.
intelligent response, good job, don’t worry though, I’m sure your preschool will let out early little one
Coming from someone who doesn’t know how to capitalize proper names or use proper grammar, the preschool bit is just a little too much.
Or spell perpetrate.
Yeah, and i also started of going A and B and then went to numbers, still didn’t mention any of my points, sorry, this isn’t a job for me and I took a quick break to jot my thoughts…of course responding yawn is downright impressive, clowns
The reality is this is fixed, has been cut and pasted ever since Dean decided to run the IL cripple.
Save it.
Napoleon Crunch, like Captain Crunch, taking to the high seas, absolutely delusional.
Again, though, this is about far more than Clinton, or even Obama, and you can’t see the scope.
The candidates agreed not to campaign in the states. That’s all.
That’s another bit of misinformation being trolled around that has become “fact.” Except it’s not.
Yeah what she said.
Well excuse me, a$$ wipe, there may not be a “right to vote” in a primary, but when an election is held fairly, and then certified by the state in which it was held, it sure makes the losing candidate look like an undemocratic sore loser when he doesn’t support the election results. Hillary had a big win in Florida. Floridians could give two sh!ts about the schedule of the election. Floridians have just as much “right” to have our 1.5 million plus primary votes counted as do the 10 thousand or so people who voted in the more undemocratic caucus state of Wyoming. The Democratic party is outright wrong in suppressing votes from two important states in the electoral scheme of the upcoming general election. We voted in good faith and our votes will be counted!
I Agree, the caucus method of determining a nominee is about the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. To allow a few thousand voters determine the nominee for the entire State because the time of the caucus was favorable only to those few is appalling. The Democratic Party needs to clean up its entire act. The rule to disallow the votes in the Michigan and Florida primaries was just plain stupid. If they wanted to punish the State parties then why not just fine them a bunch. The people had no say in this only the politicians. However when it came time to approve a new primary the candidate for honesty and trust and new politics wouldn’t allow it. His politics are no better then the ones he says are from the old politics. What a joke!
If the rest of the country has a “right to vote” in a primary election, then so do Floridians. I’m a Floridian. No one asked me what date I wanted to vote. I was TOLD the ONLY date the polls were open. There were no signs posted “Dems, don’t bother to vote because your vote won’t count”. I know it’s my fault for not watching the news very much, but I wasn’t even aware our votes weren’t going to count until AFTER I voted when I checked on the Florida primary results. THAT was the day I got involved in watching the news and following this political fiasco on the internet. Yes, I was stupid for not being more informed and yes, it has been a real wake-up call for me. I may be naive but sometimes I wonder how many others knew there vote wasn’t going to count when they cast their ballot. I for one would never have thought, at that time, that the DNC would disenfranchise any voters. Go ahead and blast me for my stupidity. I’ve learned alot in the past three months though mostly from blogs like these listening to intelligent people talk about politics and our voting process. I’ve learned to avoid the blogs with Obama’s cult members posting and re-posting their same old rhetoric. I can’t believe how many Obama supporters make statements that it’s just “tough luck” for the Floridians like it’s no big deal our voice was stolen. Yes, I’m still dumbstruck by all of this. And angry.
And you have every right to be. But you’re here now, AND you won’t be making THAT mistake again.
joe Bob:
1. “There is no right to vote in a primary for a specific party, only a right to vote for the president in the general election”: WTF?
2. I know you’re irritated by what I wrote, but how about offering a solution to this Florida and Michigan problem? I can’t wait to read it.
3. Kentucky and West Virginia are key states - for Democrats. Utah and Idaho are not.
4. Are you implying that because of some monkey business perpetrated by state legislatures that the voters of Florida and Michigan shouldn’t have a say in who the Democratic nominee should be? Or is this point just another example of “crying”?
5. Oh, never mind.
My solution would be a revote, plain and simple…Give each candidate a couple weeks to campaign and go for it…I don’t know how you handle the whole punishment thing, I guess you could go half delegates like the other side…It’s a tough position to be honest, but I must reiterate everyone agreed to these rules beforehand, so I will never understand the hand wringing by HRC now…I have no problem with her campaigning and trying to win, but to demonize Barack for this debacle is abhorent in my view, he didn’t do anything different then what he was told to do (not that clinton didn’t play by the rules, but now she’s trying to change them)
“I don’t know how you handle the whole punishment thing, I guess you could go half delegates like the other side…”
Gee, so generous of you joe Bob, since that is what the freaking gd RULES actually state.
Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the DNC rules, and as such, all five states could (should??) have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.
Yet, only MI and FL were penalized.
DNC rules do not require a 100% stripping of these states’ delegates: the automatic punishment for states that moved primaries to before February 5 was that half (50%) of their delegates be stripped.
In addition, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee didn’t have to strip even half of the delegates if it found that MI’s and FL’s Democrats had made good faith efforts to stop their respective state legislature from changing of the primary date.
That DNC Committee was supposed to conduct investigations to determine if Michigan’s and Florida’s Democratic leaders had made good faith efforts to stop the moving of their state’s primary election. Reportedly, the Committee did not conduct such investigations.
Instead, led by Donna Brazile, the Committee simply decided to impose the harshest sanctions possible on Michigan and Florida — despite rules and circumstances that should have compelled the Committee to show leniency.
This is what happened, but many do not care and many don’t want to - can’t handle - the truth. So strip away delegates to the 4th (FL) and the 8th (MI) largest state in the nation and two critical must win states in Nov.
Let me know how that works out for you on Nov. 4th.
HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE!
PS. Hillary has two ells, moron.
didn’t know I was writing a graded term paper, next time I’ll try to do better…HAHAHAHAHA…Funny, I pointed out my viewpoint, I will say i insulted one person for writing YAWN because it is childish and there was no need for it, I find the other insults amusing though, for people who claim to have been tortured by BHO supporters, you sure spew a lot of venom
Reply to joeBob,
B)Those votes were cast (whether you feel there was no right to or not) and certified by the Sec of State. Get it?.. votes cast and certified!No one in any party, no candidate, NO ONE can tell an American citizen their vote is not being counted!
3)(not sure why you changed from alphabet to numeral)She did not say it was rigged against her, we are saying that. And she always maintained that even though the votes were not to be counted (because of DNC “rules”)- THEY SHOULD BE COUNTED. She could not have predicted how close this race would be, her concern at the time was knowing that you could not dispense of the votes in two states and expect to win the general without them.
4) Electoral College, sweetie:)What’s that? 550 votes in FLORIDA in 2000.
5) The rules already don’t always apply, FL and MI were not the only states to move their primary
6) Right, because you are the only person, along with Barry to experience rational thought.. elitist.
A few friendly opinions to interesting arguments.
B. You are correct that their is no legal right to vote in a primary, it is a privilege. However to disenfranchise can mean to “deprive of civil or electoral privileges” so the term is correct. More importantly, it goes against everything the party stands for. How quickly the stolen election of 2000 is forgotten.
3. Why? Hubris. Clinton assumed that it wouldn’t matter and that is wasn’t worth fighting Dean, Brazille, and the other DNC members who supported this. It was her human mistake, but Dean and Brazille’s intentional maliciousness.
4. By pure electoral votes, you are correct. However as key indicator states they are important. There are six states; Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky , Tennessee , Missouri, and Arkansas that, due to similar demographics, virtually always vote as a block*. This block of 61!! electoral votes has either went with a landslide determined the inner in all recent elections. No candidate can win the general election without them and it looks like they will again vote as a block, this time against Sen Obama.
4. I would buy your argument here if there wasn’t such a long history of states violating party rules by moving ahead. Typically, they are not punished.
*Arkansas broke with the others twice to vote Democrat - not likely to happen this year.
la la la, la la la. I read about three lines but honestly this stuff is so boring I couldn’t bear to read anymore. You all are very unoriginal.
Hillary or McCain 08!
And Larry Rocks, We love you Larry!!!
You all are very unoriginal.
They’re your friends. Treat them better!
disenfranchise
Pronunciation: \ˌdis-in-ˈfran-ˌchīz\
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1664
: to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity; especially : to deprive of the right to vote
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The right to vote and to have your vote counted applies to ALL elections not just for the office of President. But I guess you follow Stalin’s rules… ‘It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes’
Educate yourself!
Why would anyone vote for someone so stupid that they took their name off of the ballot?!
It’s a big screw you to voters. And over what?! Fear that Hillary would trounce them. Also, some insane desire to allow some state preferential treatment.
What the hell’s so special about Iowa and South Carolina?
Give me a break! You take your name off you lose! How’s that for a rule dumbass!
I like your rules.
(SNICKER)
MIKE’S RULES RULEZ!
Good comment. He turned his back on Kentucky as well because he knew he couldn’t win. He won Oregon but no wonder, that State is left of the left.
He left PA before it was over. He couldn’t finish his waffle. He went to Indiana where he also lost.
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Try to picture Barky as Commander in Chief. It doesn’t work, does it?
I know I’ve read that SC also moved their primary forward to benefit Obama and give him momentum. why weren’t they punished?
Obama took his name off of the Michigan ballot.
He was not legally required to do so.
I have an idea! Let’s simply re-vote in Florida and Michigan!
We’ll see how anything changes for the better for Obama when his name is on the ballot. Ha!
Obama tends to remove himself from the competition when he knows that he’s going to lose.
WV. Kentucky.
He spends oodles of money on advertisements in states he can not win, but conveniently fails to go and try to win votes in person.
Why?
Because he would fail.
To Obama, it’s better to quit than to lose.
Hillary worked her butt off in Oregon, even though Obama was heavily favored.
Obama is the biggest wuss I have ever seen.
What a joke of a candidate.
Wuss and joke just like the clowns who troll here for him.
To Obama, it’s better to quit than to lose.
Great Commander in Chief material.
(OMG I just saw it - folks! Can you see it? Seriously! CAN YOU SEE BARRY AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF? OHMYFUCKINGGOD!)
joe Bob I have a single response to you:
Kiss my Hillary supporting ass.
Hillary is going to win the nomination and then the Presidency. Of course Dean and his pals are idiots.
They are all losers (literally). Daschle, Dodd,
Kerry, McGovern, Edwards, Richardson.
Really, why are you guys worried about going up against such masterminds? They couldn’t win the Presidency themselves, what in the world makes you think they are smart enough to do it for their hired hand, Obama?
Keep working.. we’re gonna win this baby.
Yes!
Thank you for showing courage just like our next Command-in-Chief Hillary Clinton.
I’m Hillary Clinton (sort of) and approved this message.
OMG my money is on Hillary. As you say, just look at the DNC all star line up!! LOL!
Ben,
I think that when Obama is offered a chance for a re-vote in Michigan with his name on the ballot, and he declines, then Hillary should be allowed to keep all the votes that were hers. Obama shouldn’t even get the uncommited votes—many were for Edwards. In truth, they both took their names off the ballot as a political ploy to appease the voters in New Hampshire and pick up THEIR votes instead. Face it, Obama declined a Michigan re-vote because he knew he would lose—no other reason—it was purely for political reasons to work for his advantage.
Logical, but that’s not how it works. The candidates were always able to compromise on a solution. However, given none was reached due to Obama, then it goes to the rules committee.
The Rules Committee has had the arguments before them, but sat on them. Imagine that.
He banked on hitting his 2026 before May 31. He missed the mark. Imagine that.
Sometimes, you play, you pay.
Obama lost this gamble. He thought he’d turn the momentum in PA. Instead, she’s got the momentum, and he’s outta luck.
She may be behind on the delegate count, but his unelectability is becoming almost a talking point that is tossed off carelessly. The entire country knows now that he’s the weaker candidate.
So she succeeded in her goal.
What even she hadn’t counted on was the activism by her middle-age women. That has surprised everyone.
Wow, very good points, especially his not getting to 2026 before the rules committee, hope it stays that way.
He can’t get to 2026 before the rules committee. That’s the way the system’s set up. So the PDs can never fully decide. Not in incredibly close races like this one
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Try to picture Barky as Commander in Chief. It doesn’t work, does it?
Exactly, so my way of thinking is that there’s nothing to be lost now by going ahead and seating FL and MI as is. It won’t make any difference. They will both still be close. He’ll still have more delegates. It’s still going to come down to SDs.
So the perception game that she’s “gaining” is over anyway.
The DNC can just say, “OK, we’ll seat you because this is such an unusual year. BUT, and wag their finger.”
If they were smart, they’d move on this.
That was a gift of the pustule press.
Thank guys!
Barky can’t win Michigan. It’s a rust belt state. They don’t like his kind there.
Excellent rant!
If the DNC persist along this foolish path, there’s going to be a ‘bloodbath’ in the party for sure after this election. And it won’t just be the DNC that’ll be affected. The effect will be felt all the way down to the elected officials who supported a clearly questionable candidate over a sound one.
Yes. The electorate will be asking plenty of questions. I don’t think the answers will be too funny. Hopefully the elected guys will knock some sense into the DNC before its too late.
Meanwhile we outside the USA watch in shock and anger! Not the best example for ‘democracy’ for sure.
Hillary08!
Bob Florida and Michigan had the funds for a re-vote Obama and his lawyers blocked it out of fear he would lose, both Governors had agreed Obama with so much in common with Rev Wright said “GOD DAMN FL AND MI” for his on political gain and the favor will be returned in FL
I am not holding my breath for any fair compromise from people like Donna Brazile. Our party has been hijacked! The Obama campaign portrays him as the Washington outsider but look at the people propping him up. Its the good ole boys we’ve been ranting about for years now. Those that promised that term limits would be coming soon. This is the do nothing Congress that we’ve all been hearing about from the Republicans and we refused to listen. I wondered how John Kerry became our nominee all of a sudden in 2004. Obama has never run a camapign against a real rival. He’s only been able to knock em out by technicality. If he can’t even bother to cam[aign in 2 states because they don’t wholeheartedly support him, how does he expect to convince Americans of all stripes to vote for him in the General elction. Its set up to lose again.
Donna is just one vote on the committee.
And one brick short of a load!
Two freedom fries short of a Happy Meal.
She has a brain only a mother might love. According to WHOIS she’s the registrant of the domains STUPID.ORG and IGNORANT.COM. She suffers from delusions of adequacy. If brains were taxed Donna Brazile would get a refund. Her brain cell is lonely. She’d come in 3rd place in a duel. She’s got varicose brains. She’s denser than Sherwood Forest. She’s more twit than wit. She has trouble counting her legs. Her wheel is turning but the hamster is dead. She thinks Plato is a friend of Mickey Mouse. She thinks Alitalia is a sallad dressing. Her wheels are turning but the cogs are unbolting from the strain. She did an ML to get in there and onto CNN.
lmao!
IIRC, Brazile is no longer on the committee that will decide FL & MI.
cool
Yeah. Awesome. What mercenary did they hire in her place?
Where did you hear that? Do you have a link? I just had word a few days ago that she was, I believe, a co-chair.
Whoops, I don’t think she’s a co-chair, but she was on the list of Committee Members
Still waters run deep.
The tension between the Bush and Dukakis camps continued to build. One day, while speaking with reporters, Brazile mentioned the oft-repeated rumors that Bush had committed adultery. She urged the reporters to investigate the charges against the Republican candidate. Later, Brazile publicly denounced the Bush campaign’s racist tactics, and denounced him as a philanderer. Realizing that the frustrations of her job had sparked her inflammatory words, she submitted her resignation.
Bravo, glennnmcgahee! Your comments about the good ol’ boys, John Kerry, (I remember thinking “What the hell just happened here?” when, suddenly, he was the nomineee in ‘04), term limits, etc are DEAD ON!!!
And, yes, the same network is behind Obama.
Donna Brazile is so biased in favor of Obama that she feels it necessary to shake her head no continually while anyone is commenting favorably for Hillary. Don’t count on her to be fair. Hillary, while I am fervently praying daily for you to win the nomination, I agree with Geraldine Ferraro’s veiled threat to vote for McCain in November if you don’t get the nomination. I think that we must show the DNC that our votes do count. They have been warned repeatedly that we will not vote for Obama under any circumstances, and yet they persist in their efforts to nominate him. They think that we will be united come November, but that just will not happen. I can promise you that we will have a Republican in the White House if you are not the nominee.
You are so right, I do not think Obama is electable. It just so happens, most voters did not know about him until long after Iowa. There is simply no way any canidate can win the white house without at least getting some of the larger states. Obama has not won any of them, Califonia? No…Ohio? No…..Penn?..No…Florida?..No Texas?..No And the list goes on…….
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAaRmxIX0hM
ROFL! Love it!
Great Post!!! And no, it’s not over!!!
Hillary’s supporters are being heard, and that the SDs are only a trickle says a lot. The fact is, they know we won’t vote for them in Nov. The KNOW it!!!
Hillary or McCain in 2008!!
Ignore the media - they’re in the tank for Obama.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F’ING HOOOO!
The Stockholm Syndrome on the so-called left has turned them into the oppressors, stooping to undemocratic methods left & right- and shamelessly glorying in it. They’ve trully internalized the abuses one associates with Bu$h Inc. & have turned them on their own like nobody’s business. It is so sad to see these people constantly employing “the ends justifies the means” mentality to this race. And the disrespect for Senator & President Clinton shown by them is seriously disgusting. They, and the press, treat them how the Bush family should be treated, as the Bush family has actually earned scorn, derision, lies, slander, constantly being run down, dark accusations, vile mischaraterizations & so on & so forth.
Never, never, never have I been more disgusted at this deluded group of dreamers as at this moment- speaking as a former attendee of both Yearly Kos conferences, I can tell you there will be many empty seats at the next one- that’s for damn sure.
You can count -6 Democrats for life in Pennsylvania.
Hillary: You are an American original- please know that some of us really do see the architecture of this & we do see precisely what the Vichy wing of the Democratic party is up to & we also sadly see the familiar faces of the professional election throwing brigade standing there leering at us.
Dr. Alice Miller calls it….identifying with the abuser….This is why many abused become abusers….. ( Drama of the Gifted Child )
Hillary speaks for me!
She has said repeatedly, “Vote Dem in Nov!”
We should respect her and do what she’s asked us to do.
To do less would dishonor her wisdom & her wishes.
Hillary is smart. People who don’t vote for the Dem are dumb.
Funny,
I got a response to my mailing to superdelegates today from one of them:
“I have received a number of similar emails form the “Rule or Ruin” crowd. Bottom line, there will be more voters who care about America this November than sore losers and as a consequence Sen Obama will be the elected President.
vince powers”
Seems both you and him are in the tank for Obama too. Grats on drinking the koolaid.
Are you saying Hillary is in the tank?!
That’s rude, sexist and bizarre if you truly support her and aren’t just one of McCain’s hired trolls.
Hillary is not ‘in the tank’; Hillary & I are in reality, and the reality is American can’t afford a third Bush term under McSame.
Stop claiming to support Hillary if you’re going to make such lame & stupid accusations against her and her real, grassroots supporters.
I think you meant to post this as a response to the post above mine.
Good luck with this man. The problem you’ve got is that McCain has spent years and years crafting an image as a moderate Republican and a straight-talking “maverick”. Whether its true or not, doesn’t matter..that’s how he’s perceived. He’s acceptable to a large swath of the electorate in a way the GWB no longer is.
He’s also clearly a patriot and you can never go wrong playing the patriotism card.
Obama? What do we know about him? Not much, but what little we do know isn’t very good. If he’s the nominee a lot of the campaign is going to be about the mystery of this “blank slate” who just showed up. Voters don’t like the unknown, especially in times like these…McCain will offer safe harbor, I think the majority of voters will take him up on his offer.
People who are STILL voting for Obama have to be the stupidest people on earth. A waste of oxygen and space. There is zero reason for this man to get a single vote. A SINGLE FUCKING VOTE. Now take your passive aggressive whining bloated ass elsewhere.
as i told your twin earlier, go away, repetitive troll. you trolls keep posting the same damn message. guess you all got the same marching orders at the same time.
we don’t give a shit about your opinions. f off.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
No. It’s a FREE COUNTRY. Having the vote means HAVING THE VOTE. It means you can vote for whomever you like.
Just in from our next Commander-in-Chief President Hillary Clinton. You have your marching orders, warriors for Hillary!
Obama is visiting Florida today, yet he still refuses to allow the votes cast in the Florida (and Michigan) primary to be counted. He’s afraid that if Florida is counted, then Clinton will be ahead in the popular vote. But he wants Florida to count in the general election, because he can’t win without Florida. He can’t have it both ways. It’s an insult to every single person in Florida who went to the polls on primary day to exercise their right to vote that he believes they should all get behind him now, when he has totally disregarded their wishes to have their votes count in the primary. It’s extremely hypocritical and naive of him to think that the voters of Florida will put up with this outrageous attitude. The votes should be counted according to the results of the primary. Anything less is simply not acceptable. It’s time we took our country back. Howard Dean, the DNC, the “party leaders”, and the mainstream media have conveniently forgotten the concept of one person, one vote. WE decide who we want the President to be, not them! We don’t care that Hillary will tell us to unite for the good of the party, because we have lost faith in the party. We only want to ensure that Obama is never allowed to be in the most powerful position in the free world. He is not qualified. Vote for McCain in November and teach the DNC a lesson. Yes, we’ll have another Republican president for four years, but he’s not Bush, and then we’ll have Clinton in 2012. I, and many millions like me, am sick of being railroaded by Howard Dean!!!
Are there people protesting his visit? Any signs of it where he is?
Yes, there are thousands protesting Obama’s visit. They are calling their protest “Turn Your Back on Obama”. It’s galling to me to think that he is actually fundraising in Florida when he doesn’t want to count their votes, and I am not a resident, so I can imagine how the Floridians feel. Also, there is a petition being circulated by the residents of Florida. Go to http://www.floridademandsrepresentation.org and download the petition, sign it, then mail it in. We all need to support their efforts to get their votes counted.
Tampa newspaper had a front page story about Obama’s visit. They don’t like him very much. Said he wouldn’t go there to ask for their votes but he comes there now to ask for money!
Which paper? Was it this oneDNC Rules Committee Outlines Agenda for Delegate Flap Meeting:
Oh it was probably this one:Obama Gives General Election Speech, Doesn’t Mention Delegates, Boycott
We need to find this!
Nancy, have you compiled a list of anti-Obama Florida editorials? It would be very revealing and useful to show the rules committee. I would imagine there would be a lot of outraged editorials being written as the conman Obama tries to suppress the voters yet get their support at the same time.
No, I haven’t compiled any, but I sure have written quite a few myself. And my sister works at it all day since she is retired. Let us know what you’d like us to do and we’ll be happy to help.
Post here a bunch of links to any Florida editorials. We can then send them to the rules committee. Ask people to do that when you post the links.
I agree completely, McCain is the lesser of two evils……..
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
I never got a good look at this character before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc
He’s a pushover. He’s a wuss. No wonder he’s hiding behind the curtains today.
Please read the full editorial at
http://kansascity.com/278/story/628778.html
Also P.S. from the same author to a commenter at TM via email — this is important:
we can’t stop now — we have to BREAK the fix.
Yes and we CAN and WILL and MUST do it, our nation depends on us to.
Exactly, LOUD and PUBLIC..her supporters need to speak up.
Million Women March, in Washington, DC. BEFORE the convention.
Or if Hillary pulls out on June 3rd: AT the convention.
With a MILLION signs protesting sexism.
If the media can go nuts over a political rally helped by a free concert, let them go ape over a million women fed up with the media idea of them.
Get it up on MyDD or whatever organizing network. But do something constructive, these chances don’t come too often!
P.S. I think it is time for people who support Sen. Clinton to become very outspoken about it. It almost has to be as loud and as public as the suffrage movement. Nothing else seems to work.
Do the Lysistrata. Get on the boards, man the blogs, swarm over Digg and YouTube. Axelrod’s been doing this for ages.
Last night Hillary said in her victory speech:
Hillary is a patriot and she’s knows what’s best for our country: To support the Dem nominee whether it’s her or Barack.
You don’t support Hillary’s values or share her wisdom if you do otherwise.
DON’T PREACH TO ME.
IN CASE YOU FORGOT THIS IS A FREE COUNTY.
that would be country
Hillary asked you to do something?
Do you really support her?
Or are you a paid McCainiac troll?
Sounds like the latter.
If not, honor Hillary’s voice; vote Dem in Nov.
Shut the f*ck up you paid oibama blog poster. we know it’s your new tactic to use “Hillary said to vote Dem” line to discourage any talk of breaking party lines.
Get Lost Paid Obama Blog Posters.
Your 5th grade guilt trip ploy is laughable.
When it comes to my vote I march to my own drummer.
I support Hillary but that doesn’t mean she tells me who to vote for in the GE if she is not in the race.
Nice try, but no cigar.
In case you did not notice she is still way in this race so counting her out is not very wise.
If women were more rational and less emotional, they would vote for Obama. They will learn with time. As Michelle says, they will wake up. Besides, Hillary is not a MILF. Why would young voters like me want to vote for an old hag?
Obama ‘08!!
If obama was more electible they would.
But women know better.
Keep up the misogyny! It will just keep sending more of us to vote for McCain!
Kiss my ass Kevin. I wrote real time radar software for a decade. Don’t give ME your Wimmin’ have no logic shit,you sexist pig.
If you had a half a brain you would be just as concerned about this man as half the party is.
I notice how you think racism isn’t acceptable, but you have no problem with sexism.
Far as I am concerned, all bets are off. Obama doesn’t care about women, we don’t care about blacks.
So take the race card and shove it up your ass.
Besides, Obama isn’t white. Why would a white person like me want to vote for a black man?
Uppity you are brutal and most appropriately so with this sexist.
I’m beginning to think troll boy works for Hillary. All he does is help her.
And by your reason for voting for barack is that he is young and attractive? And you claim women are irrational and emotional? Looks like your little tool is dictating how you vote. You are so obviously pathetic, you don’t even know it. Take care now…..
Hillary Clinton is fine with what she will ask - and I will be voting for a Democrat - her!.
Remember how Obama talked about things being changed from the bottom up. Well, this is our form of Bottom up change. Obama, you have lost any support you might have had from women, older voters, Italians, Catholics, Appalachian people, Working class, Whites, Asians, Hispanics. yep, this is a big bottom up FUCK YOU, Obama and the corrupt horse you rode in on.
I plan to vote Dem I plan to vote for Sen Clinton!
You seem to appreciate what she has to say so why don’t you vote for her!
You are apperantly under the impression that Sen. Clinton is not going to get the nomination. That’s sad.
She will get the nom and she will beat McCain and she will be the 44th President of the United States of America.
Obama asked you to ‘be nice to Hillary supporters’, are you?
He asked you to stop driving SUVs and eating as much as you want and heating your home? Are you?
Nope.
Do they teach you how to brainwash at BO University? You know where every college flunkie can enter and get a degree in racist theology?
Guess what? You flunked again, just like your role model — where 3rd graders could teach him geography better.
Obama puts Bush’s “My Pet Goat” jokes to rest. As even a cowboy knows there isn’t 57 US states. Besides, like the Clintons, Yale seems to graduate better students.
that would be country
And you would be a moron just like your father before you.
PS. You found the Caps Lock key? Fantastic!
hate it when the keyboard rebels….chuckle….
Paid Obama trolls latest tactic:
You hillary supporters are dumb
Hillary said vote dem so you HAVE to vote Barrack.
yeah yeah what ever. ESAD
Unlike Obama supporters, we’re not clones. We use our brains, you know, to think for ourselves.
Yeah! What a radical idea! Maybe it comes from GROWING UP?
same message as sent to your twins above. repetitive trolls spewing same old crap - f off. we don’t care about your opinions or those of the jerk you’re supporting. you’re not changing anyone’s mind. if anything, you’re just cementing our already firm determination to vote against obaby.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Doesn’t matter what Clinton says. She’s a politician and has her eye on the next one. Good for her.
On the other hand, there’s no afirmative action in the general. Rezko Democrat Barack Obama will make George McGorvern look like General George Patton in November.
Even Massachusetts will be lost to Chicago machine politician, Barack Obama. When the media unloads on his sleazy friends and wacky reverends, Ayers Democrat Barack Obama will have no place to hide.
Prepare for the worst.
Correction
affirmative
Yes but BE READY FOR AXELROD. David Axelrod’s been in the current game going on five years. He’s behind both Barry and Deval. He plays the long term.
Right now it’s May. The election isn’t until November. That’s half a year away. Axelrod knows that. Don’t us forget it either.
You guys are lame. Seriously, you’re not even the slightest bit convincing.
He doesn’t work at TGIF. Not unless he’s a bus boy. They serve alcohol and I think you have to be 18 to work there.
God, not another second tier concern troll,oy. Dude, you’re not very good, go back to you day job at TGIFriday’s.
Take your fascist obama candidate and your demofascist new party and with the demogliarchy…shoveit ! Correct….I aint goin to vote for a FASCIST
OBAMA….WIN WITHOUT ME
Check the comments on that article. Almost everyone there:
- is positive to Hill and extremely negative to Barry;
- is going to either write Hill in or vote McCain and says so already.
Unless this is an Internet meme thing it looks as serious as we predicted.
Any idea when barkys news conference is going to be to tell us that Betsy Ross and Abe Lincoln have endorsed him from the grave and Al Gore of course.
http://www.liberalrapture.com
LMAO!
That was great!
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
OMG…..LMAO!!!!!!
Fab job — Today I wrote about Michael Moore too and Domedia and everyone–please read my link to savage politics TRUE STORY about what O signed as law on Labor — very important to America. Also there are things about the Maytag man.
xxoo! the force is with us, as in intellectual workforce — send the shill packing, kiddos——-
Yeah the Maytag story. What a screw job he did on the workers there. They remember too. Barry’s only got friends if George Linda and Paula have money.
My dad voted along party lines to help elect Dubya, and it was a decision about which he repeatedly expressed regret.
I don’t do what I’m told, even when I really care about the person who’s telling me to do something.
I’m over 18. I research issues and candidates. Buzzwords and slogans and concert type affairs do not sway me.
I listen to the content of the message.
I think independently and will not be encouraged to regret a vote that I cast for a candidate that is a Democrat, but in whom I have no trust or confidence.
This country means more than loyalty to a Party that turned its back on me months and months ago.
I have no qualms–zero–with voting Republican in November.
Hear hear. Very eloquent and very brave. Cheers.
I’ll do anything Hillary asks of me, EXCEPT that.
I can’t and won’t ever vote to put the Obama’s in control of this country.
Then you never really supported her to begin with.
You’re no better than a paid McCainiac troll.
Go back to Free Republic.
Hillary & I will take this country back!
Paid Obama Trolls newest tactic of using Hillary said vote Obama in the general is getting old so fast.
Seriously don’t you twats have voters to register in the cemetary for mail in ballots?
So you admit you’re a paid McCainiac troll?
Nobody is paying me to support Hillary, nor to support her wishes should she sadly not be the nominee.
I’m willing to do what she wants because I support her.
You are obviously supporting yourself by trolling from Karl Rove’s boilerroom.
This is the best “thought for the day” you Obama trolls could come up with? Have things slipped that far over at the Obamanation?
“Oh, whine, I love Hillary so I’ll do whatever she asks. If you don’t vote for Obama, you don’t really support Hillary. More whine.” But you can never keep it going, can you? You always have to wind up with an insult.
Once more, I and the others in my family are going to vote for the better candidate in the GE. If the contest is between Hillary and McCain, we will vote for Hillary. If the contest is between McCain and Obama, we will vote for McCain.
What really scares you is that Hillary will be the nominee. She’s got momentum, and Obama’s got the vapors.
Clinton is a politician, and she will do what she has to do for next time, after Rezko Democrat Barack Obama goes down in McGovernite flames in Novemeber, should Dean/Brazile continue to game the nomination.
Whether some Democrats vote for McCain is immaterial. Ayers Democrat Barack Obama is going to lose, and lose big. His media leghumpers will turn on him like junkyard dogs to elect McCain. This, of course, is obvious to anyone but The Cult.
Hard lessons ahead. Hard lessons.
The cult is right.
I see pod people.
Right…tell me do you have a plush Obama teddy bear to sleep with at night?
Nope. I don’t vote for Neo-Cons nor Neo-Liberals, as I’m a moderate Traditional conservative.
To: Yes we will- What the hell are you talking about. I have been a Hillary supporter from day one. Just because I won’t vote for Obama does not make me a McCaniac troll. I think you better back off, as I am more of a Hill supporter than you could ever know.
Don’t fuck with me people. I am sick of the Obamabots. I don’t need the shit from people claiming to be Hill supporters.
Give me a break. Your concern is just a tad too saccharine to be believed. And your argument sounds like something my ten year old twins would come up with. Wait, that’s an insult to my munchkins.
Easy easy easy. There are those who see Barky as dangerous. Can you picture him as Commander in Chief during a real serious national crisis? Barky? LOL
So your threats - for that’s what they are - are either Obama Nazi trolling or relatively innocent but injudicious.
Let people vote the way THEY want to vote.
It’s called ‘democracy’.
Good then vote for her and shut up.
“Comment by troll free zone | 2008-05-21 13:41:17″
good point!
Keep working.. we’re gonna win this baby.
Yes - Clinton supporters have always been the majority but we must be heard. I am starting a movement at http://www.ProtestVote08.com in hopes in using the power of the more than 17 million who voted HRC. Please help me get started - we can do this!
My protest vote will be McCain if Obama steals the nomination. I have not visited your site but if it suggests writing in Hillary or anything other than voting McCain I have no interest.
Hillary or plan B McCain.
Now back to fighting for Hillary! She is still way in this and needs our help!
same here. a mccain vote is the only way to ensure obaby’s defeat. and obaby’s defeat is essential.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
We have to sway the write-in folks to our POV if Obama by miricle is in the GE. It won’t be a hard sell.
obaby’s defeat is essential
Yes. It’s the top priority.
I agree that anyone would be a better choice than Obama…
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
When will CNN ask voters if they believe Michelle Obama shares the views of Reverend Jeremiah Wright of the God Damn America church?
Hey! I resemble that remark!
lololol
About 90% of the country does!
I think we have people in positions of leadership that wouldn’t mind it so awful much to lose the 2008 Presidential election to McCain. If we Democrats have the White House, the Senate, and the House, it will mean that some actual work will have to get done.
Hard work.
It would be a lot easier to just sit back and blame McCain for all of our problems for the next four years then to actually solve them. Harry Reid wouldn’t have extra time on his hands to do things like write books about his life. He would have to actually get shit done.
excellent point, rick. i think they know we’re in for tough times after bush’s terms. if they can’t fix things, which they can’t, they want a repub to blame.
sad thing is that hillary COULD fix things. the pelosis, etc., however, don’t understand how someone can be competent, since it’s not something they’re familiar with.
anyway, if they succeed in nominating obaby, i’m fine with mccain as pres. he can do whatever he can, take the heat, and serve as the excuse for our incompetent congress. then we can elect hillary in 2012.
anything is better than obaby in office.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
BOINGO!!!! You’re one smart cookie.
Kentucky does not matter, Hillbots. Those racist pigs are low information voters, and their voices debase political discourse in this country. Oregon matters, as Oregon is home to the creative class. All Hillary supporters are racists who cannot control their hysteria. Go iron a shirt and just accept the inevitable: Obama beat the old witch.
Obama ‘08!!! Vote Hope and Change!!!!
That is right. If Hillary cannot keep Bill happy, how can she keep me happy?
Obama ‘08!!!!
I don’t know… how do imbeciles keep themselves happy these days?
Keep in touch with yourself. I’m sure that’s how you get happy.
B-Rob could you explain why you and Kevin are the same person? Just wondering.
It’s sorta like the way Obama and George W. Bush share the same brain.
They are siamese twins that way they can jerk each other off in the bathroom and not get caught.
All those caucus states that will go red on November 4 wont matter.
Enjoy 4 years of McCain.
You can always go back to the slum hospitals in Chicago when you feel the miss for Obamboozlama
Damn it boy, you sure sound like a misogynist to me. As for your contention that Kentucky doesn’t matter in the general election, if we all felt the same as you, then we could say the Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Vermont don’t matter much in the electoral scheme of things for the Democrats. When is the last time that Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming voted for a Democratic candidate for president? It seems to me that Kentucky supported Bill Clinton twice, not all that long ago, so they do matter in this upcoming election. Kentucky voters have shown that they are receptive to Democrats while Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming voters have shown their indifference to Democrats. I’ll side with the Kentucky voters and their preferences any day.
As for Oregon being home to the creative class, that is such a stupid, but albeit, “creative” comment. I suppose Democrats in California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts (probably the most liberal voting record of all states), do not have any “creative” people in them?
I think that you may have mistated another of your opinions. Obama supporters are the people who are consumed with hysteria. They describe Obama’s support as a “movement”. The only movement I see within the true Democratic base of the party is movement away from Obama. He is a fraud that has been perpetrated on weak minded people like yourself.
“They describe Obama’s support as a “movement”. ‘
Yeah, a BOWEL MOVEMENT
Kevin! Oh Keeeeeeeeeevin! Stop playing with that computer, sweetie! Come to bed! Please! I made your favorite jello dessert tonight! Don’t you want your jello, Kevin?
Not only is the Fix in, it’s been in for a long time. Thus, the removal of only one name from the Michigan ballot. Not only is the Fix in, but the lazy candidate shows it in everything he says and everything he doesn’t do, namely “bother” with those states he knows he’s losing. He is crawling to the finish line like an infant waiting for mommy to give him the Free Shove.
His Omen is In too. The Presumptive Winner continues to get his ass kicked by the Presumptive Loser. He will see more in the fall.
The only thing he is going to win in November is a free ticket back to chi-town and a possible pending indictment for the kitchen cabinet pay for play scheme he helped set up for his friend Tony “show me the money” REzko.
Inmate 5398742 ‘08
Not if we can help it.
Hey billionaire, up your reward 5 million a day on that video the trolls wish does not exist. It will surface real quick with multiple copies floating around.
Uppity Edwards and Richardson took their names of too in solidarity with their brother from another mother.
Pod people: the racism thing? You have become the racists by falsely and maliciously using it against us. And Karma will love you for it.
Look how far it got Barky. We will knock him and you out of the ballpark in due time. Count on it.
The Race Card. We haven’t see that in what, twenty minutes?
Commander Spock says 13 minutes and 12.345 seconds.
I dunno. I was underwhelmed by this rant. Maybe it was because I’ve read nothing new here, and not only that, but before the fold I was expecting a rundown on all of the shady behind the scene dealings and what we got instead was an incomplete carping about Florida and Michigan, with an incomprehensible snide aside about Bill Clinton, to boot.
I mean, there is no ammo here. What we NEED, as was called for on this site, and I agree, is a succinct overview of facts and less emotion (altho that part is hard!).
Such as John over at LiberalRapture.com touched upon:
“The poison pill in Florida GOP “paper trail” voting bill: Moving the primary up in violation of DNC rules became impossible for Democrats to vote against. They would have had to vote against a “paper trail” - after the 2000 thievery. Check mate.”
We need to be rubbing the Obamaborg’s collective face in the fact they are punishing Florida voters for endeavoring to get a paper trail on their ballots! Instead of this bizarre sandwich of concern surrounding a classic case of CDS…Bill Clinton may not be helping, either, but what a waste of time to focus on him instead of making the case oneself…which this rant came well short of doing.
Zee:
Re: my characterization of Bill Clinton. There’s a literary device called “irony’. It’s all the rage these days. I’ve provided the definition for you here:
i·ro·ny: the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning.
As to how and why Florida’s primary date was moved up, frankly my dear, I couldn’t give a damn. And why pick on Florida? Michigan got screwed too, remember? The END RESULT is all that matters, not some Republican conspiracy to screw Democrats. As far as the Michigan and Florida votes being counted and the delegates are being seated are concerned, it’s DEMOCRATS who are screwing Democrats. And that’s not emotion, that’s fact.
Forget how it happened or whether it’s fair or not. Concentrate on fixing it. Otherwise Michigan and Florida get hosed. End of story.
I see you penned another one of your periodic rants, DC. Just let us know when you are no longer irritable and therefore capable of formulating a real thought.
Obama ‘08!!!
this is dedicated to all
–pastor wright
–louis farrahkhan
–obama trolls
—obamas
–DNC
—DEAN
–kerry
–edwards
—DONNA BRAZILE
–al sharpton
–clyburn
–-CNN
–NY TIMES
–MSNBC
–ariana huff
–KIETHO
–TIM RUSSERT
–CHRIS MATHEWS
——-CAFFERTY
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Is that you pea pod ?
COME TO BED KEVIN! MOMMY NEEDS YOU NOW!
I am sick of bitter old women telling me how to vote. Look, Michelle Obama is a MILF, and Hillary is not. No one wants to watch Hillary age for eight years. Just deal with the inevitable. It is our time. Step aside, you racist old hags, and let the learners get it done.
Obama ‘08!!!
Uppity, do you think Kevin/BRob might also be Chris Matthews?
Kevin, for women everywhere, we’re sorry your penis is so small and you are so ugly women and children run screaming from your presence; but we’re not giving Obama the pity vote.
i’m really not sorry kevin’s penis is so small.
i don’t know what a milf is, but assume it’s something juvenile, since it came from kevin.
MILF= Mother I’d like to Fuck. Mature huh? Sexist? Pffft, never. God, I’d love to go three…nah, for his piddley ass sake, one 2 minute round with Kevin. No pads, no gloves, and kicks to the head are OK. God,a girl can deam, can’t she?
thanks for the info, strawberry. now i know that kevin and his alter egos are truly as despicable as i had thought. and to think that obamaloons have the nerve to look down on other people!
i share your dream. kevin wouldn’t last through the two minute round, though. and the head isn’t what i’d be kicking.
if you like gorilla warfare
KEVIN! YOU TOLD ME I WAS YOUR MILF!! I DON’T WANT YOU GETTING TOO FRIENDLY WITH THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, KEVIN! I TOLD YOU!
NOW COME TO BED. I’VE GOT YOUR HOT WATER BOTTLE READY!
Kevin
you’re a poster child for birth control
“Thus, the removal of only one name from the Michigan ballot. ”
Uppity, this is not the case. Obama tried to get everyone except Hillary to remove their names…and failed. I can’t remember how many took their names off but some did, some didn’t.
This is the kind of fact we need to pin down and repeat till everyone knows it.
Just one more example of what a cheat he is. His chickens will come back to roost when a large percentage of Democrats vote with the republicans in November and McGovern his ass back to Chicago.
You are correct, Edwards and Obama did their damndest to talk all the guys into to removing their names, and put out the word to embarrass Hillary. Appeasing Iowa was a secondary bonus contrary to popular belief, and it made a more palatable motive than the real truth of blatant sexism and dirty dealing. We all knew Hillary was their target.
Richardson and Biden followed along with Edwards and Obama on the scam. Those were the only 4 names not on our ballot. But Clinton, Dodd, Gravel, and Kucinich remained on it. Our state laws will have this loophole closed up forever before the next primary.
When it came down to Kucinich at first he started to go along with the scam until he figured out what was really happening. His office therefore had a sudden “snafu” on his paperwork to file for the big deadline to have his name removed, which insured it remained on where it belonged. Towards the end before the primary he thumbed his nose at the DNC and their fucked up Rulz & Pledge and openly campaigned in Michigan with his wife. Not a peep was said about him breaking any pledge to not campaign in the state. (which I attribute to because the blatant Uncommitted campaigning was in such full force as to be laughable at the arrogance of it) He received over 21,000 votes too. Good for Dennis.
All the names on the ballot received votes plus tthe Uncommitted line. All the names of every single candidate we had were listed in the exit polls and had percentages. Hillary smoked the whole lot combined. It was sweet to watch Uncommitted go down in flames, and they barely won only 2 counties. She almost swept all 83 MI counties.
Oh, it’s been fixed alright:
The Dean Plan:
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-electability-2008-dean-plan.html
Plan?
The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
I wish him luck with his plan if there is one as it has become a major cluster fuck.
Kevin, you are a poster child of Obama sexist thugs. Too bad the MSM doesn’t shove yours and the Obama 400thugs words in Obama’s face and ask him whether you are LOW CLASS too? MILF if not a compliment, btw…
Eventually you women will get it. Now you can cling to your fantasy of a female President, but those of us who want real change will win. Just deal with it: we are smarter, stronger, bigger and better.
Obama ‘08!!!
Eventually you black men will get it. Now you can cling to your fanstasy of a black President.
Just deal with it in November.
Kevin is not black. Why would you want to go racial on him???
From what he is saying in his comments, I’m sure she thought it was Obama himself, the premature electionator.
Another reason she thought he was Obama is that in an earlier comment, Kevin/BRob/Barack said Michele Obama was a MILF. Now, come on, nobody but Barack would write that. And even he probably doesn’t mean it — you know how he lies: yeah, Maytag workers, don’t worry about those jobs, I’ll take care of it.
I usually don’t reply to you directly as it is my policy not to associate directly with sexists, racists and ageists.
But you are a piece of work and about all you accomplish doing is furthering our resolve to crush your wannabe deity-in-chief Obama and you along with him.
You refuse to understand that you empower us. So continue to knock yourself out silly you pitiful little man.
They are slow learners, aren’t they?
My nearly blind cat will become President before Rezko Democrat Barack Obama.
His Chicago machine cronies will hire him to give speeches in the rubber chicken circuit. He’s good at that. And bamboozling idiots. He’s VERY good at that.
Bring it littleman, I’d own your ass!!! See my challenge above.
A fair and equitable solution going by the rules:
1) Strip Michigan of 50% of their delegates, as the rules dictate.
2) Award delegates to those candidates whose names were on the ballot. Candidate “Uncommitted” is just who the name says.
3) Seat all of Florida’s delegates because they TRIED to keep the FL Leg from moving the primary up.
4) Strip any candidate who campaigned in Florida of their delegates, as the rules dictate. Obama’s ads are noted as campaigning.
Sorry, Barack, but the rules are the rules.
LOL, that’s very funny. And so true!
I sure agree with all you said! I am very suprized that the American people can be fooled so easy. There has been many signs in the path that said that Obama was a fake and lier about his past and where he stands on issues. We better all pull together to defeat this man from winning the White House! Thanks for a good post!
http://goodtimepolitics.com/2008/05/21/obama-is-swimming-in-a-sea-of-left-wing-extremism-with/
This race has definitely been fixed and scripted. Hillary does indeed deserve a great deal more credit than she is getting because she is going up against odds that are bigger and more malevolent than many know.
Obama has been groomed for this, and he has been protected and promoted by the media, and he has money coming in from serious billionaires around the world. Do not believe that all his money is coming in from small donors and simple wealthy Americans.
Bush leaving is an inevitable “change” anyway, so everyone should ask Obama what the real “change” is and why do SO many people, even so many of our enemies around the world, back him? What’s in it for them? They all know that he is a junior senator with a non-existent to poor record, so what is really going on?
What are all these people being promised? But a better question is: do they all share a common ideology for America and her “change”?
Something bigger is happening. I think Obama would be horrible for our country, and the “change” would be a shift in our global status–militarily and economically.
I’ve researched Obama and I have a pretty good idea of what the “change” is, and believe me, I don’t think anyone is ready for it.
NOBAMA.
Yup. Edwards removed his name too. Hmmm… Some say Obama (and Edwards) did this to try to make Hillary look bad. Pure dirty politics at its best at the expense of voters rights. Our state Democratic chairman was interviewed awhile ago on local news and as I recall he explained that there were threats made by Iowa and New Hampshire Democratic Party officials as to a candidate losing support in their election ya da, ya da. Maybe Obama made one of his famous “backroom deals” with Iowa who knows? In any event Hillary wouldn’t be swayed and many of us Michiganders love this about her. As usual she’s the one sticking by the American voter. The best thing about this primary campaign is that we are seeing who the candidates really are and what their “true colors” are. I’ve come to admire and respect Hillary Clinton so much more watching her continue on and stand up for what’s right. Obama will never get my vote and I will vote against him. How dare Obama, Edwards and the DNC mess with our civil rights by using us as pawns in their “fix”.
I was under the impression that Edwards and Obama removed their names because they were both polling under 20%, and could potentially not have received the 15% necessary to receive any delegates at all. I also was under the impression that Obama surrogates in Michigan were urging people to go and vote uncommitted.
Yes the Uncommitted were the Obama votes, paltry as they were. I captured a page in my.barackobama about that plan. For a bunch of “geniuses” they sure were dumb.
Then there was the “Obama must win at ALL costs” page.
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Banana Republic indeed.
If the Obama bots are so sure they’ve won, then by all means why not seat Florida and Michigan right now–today? If there is no way that she can catch him, then what is the issue? Isn’t he worried about dissing the people of Florida, whose votes he will need in November?
Isn’t Mr. Hopey concerned about the ethics of disenfranchising 2.3 million people? How cynical is that?
This is McGovern all over again. Obama supporters want to LOSE to John McCain in November. It’s obvious to me. Every single indication is that Obama is ONLY likely to be the nominee because the system has been rigged for him. And that will be revealed in November, when he loses in a landslide.
Dear Obamabots: You are to blame for this. You are going to give us 4 more years of McSAME with your insistence that we run a candidate who can not win.
Roe is on YOUR heads, Iraq blood on YOUR hands. You are forcing us to run a LOSER, and destroying the party in the process.
This could be WORSE than McGovern. McGovern didn’t disenfranchise two states and then there is the Latino population that won’t go for Obama.
I read that the DNC rules and bylaws committee has already decided the outcome of the May 31st meeting — and it will be unfair to the voters of Florida and Michigan, i.e., give advantage to Obama. Yep. The fix is in. And the Democratic party is uttering a death rattle.
Not a death rattle. Another marginalization caused by the same radical left that just won’t get the hell out of the party because they failed in their own parties. That’s why we only elected two presidents in 30 years. The MAJORITY moderates just don’t want these assholes running America.
Let’s get real. Hillary has no choice but to ask her supporters to back Obama, should he be anointed by the DNC, sans the rules, fair play and enfranchisement of the citizens of 2 major swing states by the DNC power elite.
She is being blamed for everything by the Obama crowd and his DNC friends (kind of like we blame our mothers, but never our fathers) for all the problems in the family. If she didn’t ask us to support a democratic ticket, they most assuredly will lay Obama’s loss at her feet and the media will lend a hand.
To date, Obama has not been held accountable for anything he has done or said or lied about. These guys have no shame and are willing to destroy Hillary to complete their plan and for any candidate to have this kind of unconditional support, is evidence of a coup. The question is how many are involved and for what reason.
Most assuredly, this sham of a primary has been approved of by the power elite, with powerful and rich men — George Soros — pulling their strings. I’m certain a lot of his money has been spread around to bribe many of the SD’s and other political figures, who have stabbed Hillary in the back, and endorsed Obama, in order to build on the illusion that he actually is winning the majority of votes.
However, no matter how this thing plays out, and there is absolutely no way of predicting the final outcome because, like Hillary, I believe in the resolve of the American people to stand up and fight for their country because we see what’s going on here.
In an attempt to derail their devious plan, I predict millions of Hillary supporters re-registering as Independents and voting for McCain, should Obama be the nominee.
Such a crossover would make it impossible for Obama to win in the GE. They’d have to rig every voting machine and pay off every election official to be able to commit fraud of this caliber and I just don’t see that happening. I believe they overplayed their hand and underestimated Hillary and her supporters.
Hillary sent us a message last night in her victory speech — keep working, keep fighting for what we believe in because that’s exactly what she’s going to.
Yes, I am following Hillary’s instructions.
hillary says dems should vote for obambi.
if obambi is nominated, i’m no longer a dem.
problem solved!
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Hillary will do what she has to do. Hillary didn’t tell me to vote for her. I pick who I support, just as you do. I will not vote Obama for president and that includes even if he picks my mother for VP.
uppity, i’d love to see you as vp. but if you run with obambi, i’ll vote mccain. (and so would you!)
Hell I wouldn’t even walk by him. Not to worry.
I would not vote for Obama if he Picked my mother for VP, divorced Michelle and married my sister, put his kids up for adoption and used the proceeds to by me a powerboat and then showed up on the weekend with a pipe and a bag of blow and said “Hey Bro lets go hang out!”
Yes he has, by the voters last night and by us. And the word is out that he is bad news. His spin team in the MSM must be getting worried as they look more and more the laughing stocks America sees them as. It must be embarrassing to be Matthews right now.
He may win this battle but he won’t win the November war. That brings Hillary to 2012. Worth the wait. By then, Obama will be in the political graveyard with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Just like he deserves.
Consider that there are people in here deliberately trying to racially and sexually inflame
Ya think?
Bill Clinton is playing smart politics by bringing up the ghost of Florida 2000.
He full well knows that RECOUNT, a HBO docudrama of that debacle featuring Laura Dern as Katherine Harris is premiering on HBO this Sunday. Also featured in RECOUNT are Kevin Spacey as Ron Klain, Bob Balban as Ben Ginsberg, John Hurt as Warren Christopher and Denis Leary as Michael Whouley
Now that’s how an old pro uses leverage.
LOL*……actually, it sounds like a smart program director.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/05/obamas-clean-mo.html
Friday, 16 May 2008
Obama’s clean money
By John Rentoul
Didn’t take long to find out who his bundlers were either.
I’m with you PDMM, I love Hillary to death, but I will be more than able to read the subliminal message she is sending us all, if she doesn’t get that nomination, as she tells us to back that asshole. The message will be: “Fuck Him! Vote McCain!”
Exactly Sugar. Remember, she will go with the party because it’s what she has to do.
After all, after four years of McCain…..
followed by eight years of hillary….hooray!
First things first:
Larry C. Johnson, you are a warrior and research fiend. The work you have been doing regarding Mish’s “WhiteyGate” has been phenomenal. Thank you so much.
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Brand new post:
“The Kentucky postmortem & Devastating Numbers out of North Carolina”
VillarrealSports.com
Yesterday was a crushing day to Obama and his hopes of both becoming the nominee or President. Coupled with the quarter-million votes loss in Kentucky was dramatic polling data from North Carolina that legitimately calls into question his entire candidacy. I’ve got the numbers and the link in the post.
The North Carolina data, taken in context with what was supposed to be a ‘finishing blow’ to HRC’s campaign in the Tarheel State, is at least as relevant as Clinton’s overwhelming Kentucky win.
Taken together, the Bluegrass State Blowout and the Tarheel State data shows a candidate in Barack Obama who is both unelectable in November and who is very seriously in danger of losing the Democratic nomination.
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Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
Let’s get this out of the way right at the outset:
I wanted John Edwards to be the nominee, and I voted for him in Virginia, even though he’d dropped out by then.
I’m somewhat more inclined toward Obama, but I’m less for him than I am against Clinton. I don’t really want either one, but I’d rather have Obama.
Now, with that out of the way, I want to ask something in all sincerity:
Do those of you who say it’s Clinton or McCain really believe McCain is better than Obama? I find that odd, to say the least. I mean, I didn’t want Obama, but I’ll vote for him in November. I don’t want Clinton, but if something unforeseen happens and she wins the nomination, I’ll vote for her, too.
I don’t know what kind of reception this will get, but I am genuinely curious about that. I mean, it seems to me that Clinton and Obama are fairly alike in their voting and in their beliefs; far more than either is like McCain. Wouldn’t we all be better off under an Obama administration or a Clinton administration than we would be under McCain? I mean, there’s Iraq, where McCain says he’d be happy if we stayed there for years. There’s the Supreme Court, where we might see 2 liberal justices retire over the next 4 years. I think Obama’s picks to sit on the court would be better than McCain’s would be.
I’m not a troll; I don’t want to sow discord; I’m only asking.
If you apprised yourself of Obama’s character, record, flip-flopping, and outright lies and exagerations, you wouldn’t be asking the question, If you bothered to listen to her platform, the detail of knowledge and experience, you wouldn’t be waivering and if you think that Obama can beat McCain you shouldn’t be voting.
Well, I don’t really know about any lies or flip-flopping–other than that he voted for a gas tax holiday in Illinois and is against it now–and that’s why I’m asking.
Now, maybe I’m off the mark here, but it doesn’t look like either Obama or Clinton is all that much better than the other one. They’re both people; they’re both politicians; they’re both going to say what will serve them best sometimes and speak more forthrightly other times.
They’re both going to do some good things in office and they’ll both make mistakes.
Now, as I said, it could be that Clinton really is far, far better than Obama is, but I haven’t seen anything so far to show that that is true. If there is any such evidence, I’d like to see it, too.
And I want to say this as gently and tactfully as I can: it seems a little one-sided here. Do you really believe that things are as black and white as many people seem to think here? Now they may well be thaat black and white; sometimes things are that black and white. But I see people who seem like they can’t see that Clinton has flaws, too, and that Obama isn’t the worst person ever to run for president.
I’m just looking to learn, here, that’s all.
mumphrey, see my post below. we’re being very patient. but we don’t teach classes here.
i’ve followed hillary’s career for decades. i’ve admired her knowledge, dignity under pressure, strength, and brilliance. i’ve followed obama for a shorter period, simply because there is less to follow. he is shallow, arrogant, uninformed, intellectually lazy, and dishonest, imho. he is the second coming of george bush. the reasons for this conclusion are all over the net and you are free to learn. check out savagepolitics.com, for a start.
mumphrey, it would take too long to detail for you the thousands of reasons i disagree. feel free to research for yourself.
in response to your question of whether we really believe mccain is better than obama - yes we do!
a thousand times yes.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Why do you think McCain would be better than Obama? It seems to me that with 2 likely openings coming up on the Supreme Court, Obama would be far better than McCain just for that reason alone.
Supreme Court is not my problem. It will be the problem of younger women who don’t recognize a sexist misogynist when they see one. If they want to swoon over this man, then they will have the take the consequences along with the consolations. I fought for them and they take their rights for granted and hate me for it besides. Therefore, let them start over and see how they like it.
SMACK! What a great answer. Yes, I’m just sick to death of hearing Obambi say “the older generation just isn’t enlightened, they need to be tutored by the younger generation.”
Just who the hell does that idiot think went down into the South to get beaten to a pulp and even killed to help Blacks get their civil rights? It was the white liberal baby boomers–one of the groups Obie says he doesn’t need. Well, I’ll be happy to walk away from him.
I don’t believe you. And I don’t buy your argument. And the fact that you say you’d vote Obama just to vote against Hillary means you are an idiot and a fool since her accomplishments and compassion have helped more Americans than twelve Obamas, and more than a few hundred bushels of you.
SCRAM!
I never said I’d vote for Obama just to vote against Clinton. I even said below that the only time they were both on the ballot together that I had a chance to vote, I voted against both of them–for Edwards. I also said that I would vote for either Democrat in the fall, whether it’s Obama on the ballot or Clinton.
I may well be an idiot and a fool, but I don’t think that’s the issue here…
It is the issue here because you’re saying that there’s something wrong with us because we reject a commie? facist? both? weak corrupt candidate who says he doesn’t need our vote. There are more important things than loyalty to a party or even selling out to corrupt person to get something that will make your life more comfortable. But I don’t expect the “youth” to understand anything like that–people who are supported by baby boomers and then call us stupid.
What confuses me about Mumphrey is if he were really an Edwards supporter, then why wouldn’t he support the elibigle candidate who still speaks for the blue-collar, lunch-bucket crowd. That’s Hillary.
After all, Edwards main strength was that he claimed to speak for those people. Why would a true Edward supporter EVER vote for an elitist like Obama?
I don’t even really understand what makes somebody an elitist. I don’t know that Obama is an elitist; I know a lot of people say he is, but I don’t know that he is.
He did some community organizing in Chicago; his voting record since coming to Washington has been pretty much the same as Clinton’s has been. Sure he went to an Ivy League school. So did I, but I don’t know if that makes me an elitist. Hillary Clinton went to Wellesley, which is hardly a community college.
My point is that I think that the “elitist” tag is a risky one, since in many ways, Clinton’s opponents could make the same charge about her. I’m not saying that it would be true, but only it’s a charge that ignorant people might believe about her.
I’ve never voted for a single real human in my life where I liked the entire package. I’ve always had to consider my own priorities, based on what I felt was the most essential for the country and for people and for myself, too, as an individual.
That’s exactly the same process now. We’ll all have to consider what’s our priority. If I continue to believe that the Democratic Party abused their powers by misinforming the public, for example, and racialized the primary, scapegoated good solid statespeople, and did so, frankly, for power….that may well triumph over the other issues.
I don’t know yet. I DO know I have withdrawn from the Democratic Party. I DO know I have explained why when the DNC requested monoey. I DO know that the RNC has 40 million, the DNC has 4 million. That tells me that a lot of people are holding donations. Perhaps Obama’s big guys better start coughing up.
Voting is a repsonsibility. I’m certainly not going to make my mind up out of sheer disappointment. I also believe that the party leaders are wrong if they think this is strictly emotions talking. That’s insulting and very sexist of them to say that, by the way, given that they are referring to women. That suggests that they think we are incapable of mature political thinking here.
I can think and feel at the same time.
So we’ll see. Anything could happen. But I can assure you that making nicey nice in superficial ways only reinforces my concern, and I don’t believe that’s OK to leave to the next generation.
We need to do what’s right.
I wouldn’t have cared if Obama won. I would be disappointed, but Hillary made some mistakes in a tight race. I could get over disappointment.
What I have been appalled by is that nobody spoke up. They raced to the microphone to shout that calling Obama’s notion that he’s the great anti-war candidate because he gave one speech was RACIST! They participated in trashing Bill Clinton. Boy, you couldn’t get the microphone away then.
But not once did they speak of for the women in this party against the gross sexism that was going on nightly. Not once did they even pretend to present information on voting roles of SDs correctly. No, they made it into a race war.
Worse, they are still doing it.
That’s the height of irresponsibility. I don’t mind seeing race discussed frankly. But they turned it into a weapon to rationalize their lies about the process. And they did so for power.
That is corrupt.
How can I support a corrupt party such as that?
calling it a fairy tale should have been in my post. Got a bit excited there.
Yes we really do believe McCain will be the better choice. Just look at the crazy-ass things the DNC is doing to get the boy on the ticket. It’s too suspicious. If he were truly qualified it would be different but he isn’t. Look at his behavior all through the campaign. He IS NOT presidential material. He has scary ties to dangerous people of every stripe. No one know what he would do as president because he doesn’t talk about plans and policies.
When you see a party corrupting their own primaries and cutting loose half of their voters to get an unqualified man on the ticket you know, something is rotten in the DNC. I won’t vote to put another puppet in the WH. The left can be just as stupid and undemocratic as the right. We’ve seen that in this primary season.
Also Obama’s pick for the Supreme Court was John Roberts. he admired Roberts. His political advisor had to talk him out of voting for Roberts, telling him it would hurt him in the election. Do you call that a liberal? A Democrat? I call that a neoCon.
Well, as bad as Roberts is, I don’t think we could have gotten anything better. Bush is the one who sends them up to the Capitol; I don’t know what I would have done if I’d had to vote on the confirmation. I might have voted yes as well, knowing that if Roberts went down, Bush would send somebody even worse up after him.
The point I was making is that if McCain is president, we’re going to get a whole lot of Robertses sent up. If Obama is the president, we’ll get moderate liberals, who are about the best we can hope for right now with a narrow majority in the Senate. If we pick up enough seats this fall to reach 60, we’ll get more liberals picks.
I will support and donate to Hillary’s campaign right to the end and, If she is the nominee I (along with millions of others) will be very happy. BUT, if she loses, I will make it very clear to her that although she will be a gracious in defeat and wants the party to unite, I cannot in good concience, vote for or support Obama. I think that anybody else who feels the same way should let her know their feelings. If there is enough of a groundswell on this, it might give her more ammunition at the convention. We all say we won’t support him, we have to have a unified resolve. Talk is cheap. that much at least I’ve learned from Obama.
HILLARY OR MCCAIN . . .NO OTHER OPTION! NOBO IN ‘08!
Listen, “Mumphrey”, you are in the absolute wrong place if you think you can “talk us into” supporting Obama. First of all, if you would only read a small portion of the posts here at this blog alone, you’d know that not only is Obama worse than McCain. He is one of the worst “politicians” many of us have seen in a long time. Clinton or McCain. Nobody else.
I’m not trying to change anybody’s vote.
I’m only asking questions.
I’m not sold on Obama myself; I wanted Edwards. I’d rather have Obama now that Edwards isn’t in the race any more, but I haven’t been too awfully impressed with him so far. I’m just less impressed with Clinton.
What has taken me a little aback is the anger toward Obama. Look, I understand how bad it can feel when your candidate loses. I went through that myself, this year and in 2004 when Edwards lost to Kerry.
And after Edwards dropped out, I was kind of bitter toward Obama, as I felt like maybe Edwards might have been where Obama was, if Obama had never been in the race. But my anger and resentment faded after a while, and I looked at the 2 left, and settled, however unenthusiastically, on Obama.
I’m only wondering what it is about Obama that gets people here so upset, since I don’t feel that way, and I try to keep up with the news.
In other words, I’m looking to learn from you what makes you tick. I’m not criticizing you or looking to convert you to Obama’s camp–or even Edwards’s for that maatter.
I’m genuinely curious about the depth of feeling here against Obama and what drives it, since I can’t really tell.