Is Andrew Sullivan a Sociopathetic Hack?
By PaganPower on May 21, 2008 at 11:42 PM in Andrew Sullivan, Barack Obama, Delegates, Florida, Hillary Clinton, Michigan, Voter Enfranchisement
This idiot by the name of Andrew Sullivan is of the opinion that it is wrong for Hillary to work her heart out to get the delegates of Florida and Michigan seated at the convention. In his myopic opinion Hillary is a Clinton and everyone knows about the Clintons. They Are Legend.
The Clintons know no respect for rules or propriety or restraint in the pursuit of power.
Let’s start with the obvious. Sullivan is a lunatic. He groups Bill and Hillary together into this nice neat little bundle that he can blaspheme with impunity. I wonder if he has actually even heard that women are known to have a mind of their own and are separate creatures from men. According to Sullivan, Hillary is just an extension of Bill. Are Cavemen making a comeback that I haven’t heard about yet?
In my not so humble opinion Hillary has nailed this Florida and Michigan thing BIG TIME.
Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.
Now, I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules.
I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country - that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people’s votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.
Damn right sister. Because the heart of the Democratic Party has always been voter enfranchisement.
But facts like this matter little to Obama Cultists like Sullivan.
She agreed that Michigan and Florida should be punished for moving up their primaries. Obama took his name off the ballot in deference to their agreement and the rules of the party. That he should now be punished for playing by the rules and she should be rewarded for skirting them is unconscionable.
Earth to Andrew Sullivan. Not that it matters because you are clearly too stupid to understand something so simple as a fact or two. But for your followers and all the rest of the Cult-Aide addicts, here is a little refresher course in reality.
First of all, Hillary had no say whatsoever in the decision of the DNC to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan. None. Whatsoever. Did you get that Andrew? Or am I speaking too fast for you?
The next thing an idiot like you needs to understand is that the DNC threatened sanctions against ANY candidate that did not honor their decision. I realize it is a little difficult for a dumb ass like you to comprehend but do you at least get this part Andrew? The candidates were threatened if they would have campaigned so they agreed not to do so. Hillary honored the pledge. Obama did not.
Obama is the one that violated the rules Andrew. I realize he is your Great Black Hope. And I get that he gives you wood. More power to ya bucko. But he is the one that violated the rules he agreed to abide by. Not Hillary. Get a frickin grip.
Sullivan ends his little tirade with a whopper of idiocy. He lets his true colors show. In another lifetime he would have been a very good Republican or bedmate of Arianna Huffington. Or am I speaking oxymoron?
I think she has now made it very important that Obama not ask her to be the veep. The way she is losing is so ugly, so feckless, so riddled with narcissism and pathology that this kind of person should never be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Most of us realize that Cultists like you don’t have the ability to think rationally. So we walk a tightrope responding to the stupid things that you can’t help come out of your mouth. But since I have never been one to offer any mercy to complete idiots I won’t bother pretending to be nice to you. Besides, you don’t deserve civility.
You are an idiot Sullivan. I have watched videos of you and it is so blatantly apparent that it should be embarrassing. I have come to the conclusion that the only way a person such as yourself can achieve any relevance at all is to drink the Cult-Aide every day. Because dude, you haven’t a clue. And it isn’t a big secret.
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Can anyone tell me what were the other states that also held their primaries before their scheduled dates? I think there were three…and wasn’t Iowa one of them? I’m going to see my sister tomorrow (O supporter) & want to have plenty of ammo. Thanks!
Andrew sullivan is a log cabin republican journalist who can’t see past his oral fixation about the clinton’s.
If anybody reflects a sad and sick PATHOLOGY, it is Andrew Sullivan.
His previous adoration of George Bush and the invasion of Iraq clearly put him in the irrational, emotional, pathological category.
Nobody–and I mean NOBODY–except the drama queens in the Obama camp—-take Andrew Sullivan seriously any more.
SULLIVAN IS A CRAZY CRACKER FOFO HYPOCRITE WHO NEEDS TO BE DEPORTED….
I hate to break it to you, but no one takes Sullivan seriously, including Obama supporters.
Sullivan has been one of the most confused political commentators ever.
Andrew Sullivan used to tell the Gay Community that they were too promiscuous, and needed Religious faith in their lives. Then we found out that he liked to have unprotected group sex, and was HIV positive.
As soon as he announced his disease, he wanted sympathy from the Gay community and tried to turn himself into an AIDS activist.
He was a Republican up until 2005. Why should anyone listen to him pontificate on Democratic politics?
Because he is friends with Bill Maher and Maher lets him go on his show a lot.
andrew sullivan is gay and has a crush on “.down low O” . I was going to laugh when I saw “bedmate for Arianna” but that wouldn’t be so far fetched. She’s a notorious fag hag…even married one.
Oh those were nevada, SC and georgia. Harry reid got nevada in and the black caucus got the other 2 in before super tuesday.
eveyone forgets that when the dnc says blah blah broke rules by upping the date before super tuesday. they mean they did not get granted permission– and not the fact that the DNC allowed 3 others to break the timeline and have elections before feb 5th ( super tuesday)
and we all wonder why they allowed sc and ga to do it, now don’t we? could it have anything to do with the demographic advantage for obambi being huge? and we know why they didn’t allow fl and mi to do it, what with those being favorable for hillary.
set up from day one.
No question. This was a fix from the start. All the more reason for us to reject and shun it.
GA’s primary remained on Super Tuesday, and remained so for as long as I remember. SC jumped the gun without punishment, though. Which later learned from Dean’s own mouth, that it was planned to “acquire” the Black block vote from Hillary, by stirring up racism.
Dean is a dirty bastard for playing his own Willie Horton moment.
Can you provide a source for this information? I would like to pursue it. Please email it to me. Or visit my blog and leave a message there.
Pagan Power - don’t know about that specific item but rezkowatch repeated a prior post - since last Friday- don’t recall date- that traced the relation. and plan between obama and dean to BEFORE THE 2004 CONVENTION, which is, of course, why ALL THIS is happening and why the end date of convention is set for famed MKL date. Suggest
go to rezkowatch and check their archives of articles in last week. MUCH CONTENT in this piece thus far overlooked by others. . . you may want to do a follow up post, re their post, SOON to spread the info.
like your piece today.
So, basically, Dean gave Clyburn and South Carolina PERMISSION to work the race agenda in helping Barak Obama.
Given the thousands of Americans who have stopped donating to the DNC, I’m guessing Dean might be regretting that now.
Not much regret, they have their cash cow, Obama (unless we can put a stop to all this)
Think his real cash cow may be Gen Elec GE. Makes sense because GE is the world’s largest and wealthiest corp and has much to do with the war machine. GE owns MSNBC/NBC etc et all (many mags and papers in their column, too.) Also hear that GE is part owned by Bin Laden family - don’t know how much interest they actually hold with the company. GE would also seem to be an easy way to hide a money trail to bo camp - because they own so many many many many many many subsidiaries.
This would also fit obama’s endless trail of muslim connections that are so in denial and so blocked from media coverage. so tired of hearing that his musliminsm (word?) is just a hoax by the right wing.
WAKE UP QUICK WHILE THERE IS TIME, AMERICA!
Any with time or info on bin laden connection to GE, please reply to my comment here. thanks
Dean probably blames Clinton for the loss of donations.
From post below.
This goes with your theory that they wanted SC to obscure Florida.
opps wrong on GA sorry…it was on super tuesday..
No, Nevada did not violate the Rules by moving their primary forward. South Caroline, New Hampshire and Iowa did violate the Rules by moving their primaries forward. They received no punishment, because DNC wanted them to go first anyway. DNC always for some reason wants small, mostly Republican states to select the candidate. I do not get it. They always want the nominee selected before any large population, blue states vote. I’m from a rural state, btu I don’t think we should have a disproportional say in the nominating process.
But those three states did violate the Rules as established by the Rules Committee of the DNC. DNC just ignored it and doubled the punishment for Florida and Michigan.
DNC Delegate Selection Rule 11A [PDF], states the following:
Thus, the rules were not only broken by Florida and Michigan, but also by Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Iowa held their caucus on January 3, 2008 instead of January 14. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8, 2008 instead of January 22. South Carolina held their primary on January 26, 2008 instead of January 29.
The penalty for violating Rule 11A, according to DNC Delegate Selection Rule 20C1a [PDF], states:
According to Rule 20C1a, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida should have had their delegates reduced by 50%. However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina were not penalized at all to protect their first-in-the-nation status, while Michigan and Florida were stripped of all their delegates. Thus, the DNC is applying the rules arbitrarily.
source
Thanks to all of you for the info! I really appreciate you all!
Wow, thanks for typing out the entirety of those rules. PDF files suck.
Gary, if the rules for penalizing those states that held their primaries earlier than allowed were actually applied, how would it change the math? My hunch is that Obama would suffer more than Hillary, but I don’t know the facts. Have you calculated those figures? Just curious.
That is exactly the point.
I think that is exactly what gives Clinton a strong case…Obama knows she has a strong case and this is why there is the pressure to shout her out of the race and now try to ignore her…Either the committee will do the right thing or go down in history as enabling the rig…I read that Axelgoebbles is already trying to backpedal saying they would make sacrifices….interestink….No ?
Obviously. He’s very nervous. By all rights, he shouldn’t be playing cat and mouse with this issue at this stage. And she did give him plenty of fair warning that she wasn’t going to drop it.
Now, she’s taken it to the people. And they are marching.
MI is a mess, too, though harder to follow for some. But she’ll also deal with them soon, and then her offer for a full-fledged revote where she even found the money will be remembered.
The ONLY reason he isn’t stopping this now is because it would put her too close on delegate count for comfort.
The fact that her own SDs are NOT jumping ship and there are still many clearly who are waiting to see must also make them nervous. She picked up 2 SDs yesterday. Imagine that. Winning 2 new SDs for a “dead woman.”
It is a collossal embarrassment for the DNC…If Obama gets the nomination the GOP will use it to clobber him amongst other things…If she gets the nomination she will actually use it to her advantage…she becomes champion of the people so to speak…
DNC IS IN HUGE STATE OF DELUSIONAL DENIAL…THIS WILL EXPLODE AND BACKFIRE BEYOND THE PARTY…imho
anninca
Are we going to March? I’m in New York.
Not so arbitrarily when you think about it. It is gamed to advantage Obama.
Thank you so much for this information. I knew I had read it somewhere but hadn’t saved the link.
While those who bother to read it and have the cognitive ability to understand it know that it completely blows the “rulz is the rulz” mantra out of the water, it will not convince those Obamacrats that don’t bother with facts. Ever notice how much they resemble those so-called stupid conservatives that weren’t informed enough to know how to vote based on issues?
OBAMA is travelling around Fl….sayin it’s great to be back…AND AVOIDING ANY MENTION OF THE DELEGATE SCANDAL…Hmmmm
Is he actually engaging with the voters of FL or just doing those Bush-style photo-ops with only the “right” kind of audience?
Usual rally stuff. There’s an article on it somewhere. He had to bus in and work to get a crowd up, but it made a good pic for today.
Gosh, the rules read like a rubic’s cube!!! I am told that this delegate stuff was invented by none other than Howard Dean! What a putz! Yee-haaaaa!!!
Gary -
Thank you. When I argue in support of Hillary I like to have sourced information rather than rumor or innuendo. Your post helped that preference.
My pleasure. Happy it helps.
I’ve also heard, from residents of these states, that there’s a ton of money in it for the earliest states, like Iowa and New Hampshire, a big, or biggest, reason they don’t want to give their first in the nation status. Money and attention from media pouring into the state, hotels, restaurants, etc. Then there are issues like ethanol. No candidate can afford to criticize ethanol or stand up to these states, because they will lose the first caucus, which probably means they will lose the nomination. By Clinton leaving her name on Michigan, she probably lost votes in Iowa. Can’t know how many. Then there are those crooked caucuses.
What a horrible system for so-called “Democratic” Party.
We are so over a two-party system. Hillary on third party 2008!
That’s why Michigan wanted to be first. They are hurting.
annie,
You can download the DNC Delegate Selection Rules and the Rules and Bylaws Committee Regulations from the DNC site. They are PDF files.
I’ve looked over the Delegate Selection Rules and here is some of what I found:
We all know that Obama had TV ads running in Florida and that he also held a press conference there. Both of those activities violate Rule 20.C.1.b.
Iowa held their caucus on 1-3, NH on 1-8, NV on 1-19, and SC on 1-26.
Looks like all except Nevada violated the timing rules and should lose half their delegates.
Hey, the ROOLZ are the ROOLZ!
Actually, there was no press conference. He did answer one question for the press when coming out of a fundraiser (which was allowed).
The funny part? The question was: “Will you help your supporters be seated at the convention.”
His answer: “Yes.”
*hooting*
It was in the Tampa news.
Hre is the PDF of the Obama communist files:
http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/hawaii-obama.pdf
The press conference is tomorrow.
This is rather long, but it explains how that DNC is in the tank for Obama. Spread it far and wide folks. The voters need to know.
Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.
Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.
Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.
Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.
However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.
And what about Florida & Michigan?
Well, we all know what happened to them.
Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of all their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
Ladies & Gentlemen, this is what happens when the rules aren’t applied equally and fairly. And as I said before, this mess is a result of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee not applying the rules equally and fairly.
So, the next time someone starts talking about the rules, might I suggest two courses of action:
1.) Read the damn rules first!
-and-
2.) Let them know that the rules were bent to allow for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to keep their preferred first-in-the-nation status.
the three states were iowa, new hampshire and south carolina.
I believe that I read that SC was deliberately moved up by the DNC so that a majority black state could be among the first states to vote and thereby have greater influence on the outcome.
I believe that if the DNC had followed tradition, that SC was a state that voted much later in the process.
So the DNC set up a very arbitrary process whereby they allowed certain favored states to vote before Feb 5 without any penalties and, hypocritically, gave the death penalty to MI and FL for doing the same thing. The rules were that ANY state that voted before Super Tuesday would lose 50% of their delegates.
Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hapmshire.
Don’t forget that both Fla and Michigan’s primaries were moved up because their REPUBLICAN legislatures moved up the primary dates. Also the rules call for them losing half, not all of their delegates.
New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina all held their primaries early. New Hampshire State law says that they have to hold the primary on a Tuesday a week or more before any “similar election.“ I live in NH, so I am quite familiar with this. It got a lot of in state press here last year.
This is from an earlier No Quarter diary. I am not sure which one or who wrote it:
Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February.
New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February.
And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.
In case a bot shows up asking for proof:
And how soon Obi changed his mind:
And also on Jan 15 2008, the same day Obama gave middle finger to Florida, the same day of the Michigan primary, team Obama said this:
Ack linky to the Obama campaign saying “Michigan is Meaningless” as Michigan returns rolled in is here.
I found this part to be particularly interesting. Especially since Obama surrogates John Conyers and his unhinged wife did radio ads for the Obama campaign in Michigan specifically telling people how to vote. I seem to recall that the Edwards surrogates did the same thing but have no concrete proof of it.
The only “fair” way to allocate the 40% of uncommitted votes would be to split them between the four candidates who took their names off from the ballot: Biden, Edwards, Obama, and Richardson. And since a 10% threshold does not entitle any candidate to any delegates Obama gets exactly NO delegates from Michigan.
I like your precise rule logic!
The McCain campaign is probably already designing “Michigan is Meaningless” bumperstickers with Obama’s picture on them for distribution from their HQ in that state.
Exactly, all McCain has to do is say, Obama did not want to count your votes. Florida is gone even before we start, if Obama is the nominee, and MI too.
Thanks much, AF. Quite informative.
Excellent re timelines.
AF catfish -
I’m not a “bot” but I do appreciate your citation. It gives me better data to argue in favor of Senator Clinton. Thank you.
he was lso pimping Bush for years bagging on Gore and kerry in real time.
He’s just a power seeker.
More proof (OK it’s a politico commenter, but still):
Well and truly said.
Sounds like one of the all-to-common nuts that would get well-paid for oozing out that false, socially destructive effluent too.
It’s amazing, sad and enraging all at the same time.
Thank you for speaking out well against it.
Some choice comments from that “Obama says Florida Doesn’t Count” article on Jan 15:
What do you expect Sullivan is a Republican as is the shrill, Huffington. Anything they say or write is only done so they can divide Democrats.
imo, sullivan has no more credibility than dear old toe sucker dick morris.
He strikes me as very similar. Snake in the grass type.
Hmmmmm, maybe if they were treated like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRRlEyplGQ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZPIqwMmvk
At the end of this controversy is the question, “who won in Michigan and Florida? Hillary. So she takes all the delegates. Simple.
Sullivan thinks that the Obama campaign can deliver a win on the Iraq war.
By being ‘The One’, Obama can bring about the political resolution needed both here and in Iraq.
Which is naive on so many levels, with that special version of arrogence that Obama supporters seem to have in spades.
Sullivan’s real arrogance, in my opinion, is that his support of Obama seems to be only based on the thought that Sullivan’s views would be validated. He sees in Obama what Bush couldn’t deliver, the chance for Sullivan to claim he was right in supporting the war.
Here is the Bill Maher episode that sealed that thought for me.
Sullivan starts pleading his case for redemption at 2:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AmXwXTBKxQ&feature=related
Unbelievable. I thought only Obama believed he had magical powers.
I think Andrew Sullivan’s been channeling the late Madeleine Kahn’s man-eating send-up of Marlene Dietrich in Blazing Saddles, Lili von Schtupp: “Oh, my Gawd! It’s twue! It’s twue!”
Hahahaha. I love that movie and especially Madeline Kahn (in almost anything). But now I fear that the next time I see it I will be reminded of Sullivan. Help! My eyes are burning.
Bill Maher is just another of the long list of tv and radio shows I’ve given up on during this primary season. In the universe of sexist media, he’s one of the worst offenders.
Agreed! I’ve done the same thing (given up watching Maher, and many, many others)…I rarely watch TV now, which makes for a happier existence.
Me too.
TV blackout. Back to reading.
I so agree with you.
But Bill Maher is sooo ’90’s!
Obambi is up the Hill without a paddle.
While the Super Delegates (think: wrinkled “Member’s Only” jacket, donut remains on corner of lips, 90-day foreclosure notice in one fist for a $900,000 home not worth $350,000, Obama supporter on the the other fist offering plum fairies if said SD votes for Obama) hide in the bushes taking aim.
Fools! Obama doesn’t stand a chance in the GE.
This is the same guy who trumpeted the glorious qualities of Bush post-9/11, defended the patriot act, and cheered and defended and presented the argument of the administration to go to war in Iraq.
He became less supportive of the Republicans when they tried to ban gay marriage and oh and he is gay.
So, i would not listen to him…the French have a very nice saying it says “opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.” So…you got my drift.
But CHRIS,
Just because everyone has one doesn’t mean that pundidiots like Sullivan have to be one does it? That isn’t an act of nature, that’s a personal choice.
That could be it.
Thanks to all of you for answering my Q about the 3 states! You guys are great!
Sullivan is a nut.
The only reason I see him with Obama is because he hates Hillary so much.
The DNC superdelagates need to think about the fall campaign, see this map from RealClearPolitics data. Also they need to consider who “won” the primary using standard metrics (i.e. not congressional district delegate-based fuzzy math that have no bearing on the winner-take-all electoral college in the fall)
Clinton vs. Obama map of vote totals based on relative vote totals for each state:
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SP9G~OsOtha6NcUpvbf1O2~
there’s also electoral-vote.com, which consistently shows hillary beating mccain and obama losing to mccain.
the sd’s know all this.
they just don’t care.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Somebody tell Sullivan hating the Clintons is soooo 1995. Heck, even Fox likes her now.
LOL…it is like reading a time warp when he rails on them!!
LOL….Even Gingrich has come around….Most folks completely underestimated her…a common mistake…
One thing that is fascinating is just what you point out. Hillary took unbelievable mythical heat from the Democrats, who parrotted the old stereotypes of her planted by the Republicans.
She’ll do anything to get elected. (I thought that was a good trait, unless it’s dirty. Frankly, Obama has played more dirty than she has, obviously.)
and so on.
But…because of her true bi-partisan relationship building, she already had prepared the way to be very acceptable to Republicans. Gingrich goes on the View and lauds her. Fox gives her the fairest coverage. Rove compliments her.
Obama tore down the Clinton legacy to win. He has an absolute jealous hatred of Bill. That’s obvious. Now I see why. He lacks Bill’s true campaign ability. He also will hate Hillary now, too, because he lacks her people skills.
No matter, the Clinton legacy is stronger than ever. Hillary emerges from this battle having won the heart and soul of traditional Democrats, who will never, ever forget this primary as long as we live. She’s won the respect of the same people who vilified her once in life. She’s won the respect of the entire world for her strength of character. And she even won Clint Eastwood’s admiration. *haha
She is, indeed, our very own Annie Oakley. Obama had no idea how he subconsciously found the exact heroine for this tale to compare her to.
She, not Obama, has won over the American people.
Good comments. How can a fellow democrat tear down the last democratic administration, accusing it of racism and self serving. This election has not been about Hillary verus Obama but an attempted coup by a group that feels a sense of entitlement. The back stabbing by certain people who were given opportunity and advancement within the party by the Clinton administration has been here to fore unheard of. For the Obama followers it is not about the issues but the entitlement of him and his minions.
When this one is over, I’m seriously considering re-registering as independent or decline to state. The DNC has been a major disappointment.
Whether or not Hillary wins, I hope someone does some serious investigating on the speculation that the DNC “fixed” (in the worst sense) their primary process in the 2007-2008 campaign. And then publishes their findings.
In Andrew’s article he conveniently fails to mention that Obama campaigned in Florida and ran TV commercials.
But Obama still lost!!!
These Obama people are getting more vicious with every day. I’ve never seen anything like it within our Democratic party…in my 32 years of voting. I’m very ashamed of them!
Like Republicans…they’ve lost all concept of reality.
I’m having trouble posting my comments here tonight. Anyway, Sullivan was a very prominent Bush enabler who now seeks to be on the side of popular opinion by siding with Democrats. Unfortunately, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks so he can’t resist the pathological urge to demonize the candidate who has been winning the big states that matter (plus the over-all popular vote, to boot)! He probably derives some sick satisfaction in championing another political opportunist and major ego-tripper (no guesses who)!
For those of you who have time to spare, this is a good read
about the man.
The Real Andrew Sullivan Scandal
His Private Life Is None of Our Business. His Public Life Certainly Is.
by Richard Goldstein
June 19th, 2001 12:00 AM
Andrew Sullivan, the premier gay writer at The New York Times, was about to speak on “The Emasculation of Gay Politics.” He would take questions afterward “about any public issue,” the man who introduced him announced. The chuckling audience knew what that meant. They had come to this June 7 lecture not just because of Sullivan and his topic but because of the scandal that surrounds him.
It all began in April, when Sullivan published a mocking account of his recent visit to San Francisco. “The streets were dotted with the usual hairy-backed homos,” he had snarked. “I saw one hirsute fellow dressed from head to toe in flamingo motifs.” Wandering into a gay bar, he recoiled: “Rarely have I seen such a scary crowd. Gay life in the rest of the U.S. is increasingly suburban, mainstream, assimilable. Here in the belly of the beast, Village People look-alikes predominate, and sex is still central to the culture. . . . I’d go nuts if I had to live here full time.”
This was classic Sullivan, right down to the contempt for what he calls the “libidinal pathology” of gay sexual culture. He considers gay marriage the only healthy alternative to “a life of meaningless promiscuity followed by eternal damnation.” He has hectored gay men for their obsession with “manic muscle factories,” and written at length about the need for “responsibility” in the age of AIDS. But thanks to the outing squad, we now know that this gay moralist is guilty of the same sins he disses others for committing.
Using the screen name RawMuscleGlutes, Sullivan posted on a site for bare backers (the heroic term for gay men who have sex without condoms). He was seeking partners for unsafe anal and oral intercourse. Sullivan revealed that he was HIV-positive and stated his preference for men who are “poz,” but he also indicated an interest in “bi scenes,” groups, parties, orgies, and “gang bangs.” This hardly fit the gay ideal Sullivan had created in his book Virtually Normal. In fact, RawMuscleGlutes is just the sort of “pathological” creature who raises Sullivan’s wrath. Hypocrisy has always been a rationale for outing, and it’s the justification for a group of gay journalists who teamed up with the tabs to expose him.
After word of Sullivan’s online escapades lit up a gay chat room last month, David Ehrenstein, a chronicler of the Hollywood closet, passed the dish around. A judicious item appeared in Michael Musto’s Village Voice column, and the story soon spread to Page Six of the New York Post. But the main mover was Michelangelo Signorile, the self-proclaimed inventor of outing. (See sidebar, “Sexual Squealing.”) In a lengthy exposé that ran in the local gay paper LGNY, he skewered Sullivan for engaging in “a classic ‘do as I say, not as I do’ argument.” Signorile’s timing couldn’t have been better. Every June some gay shock-horror grips the tabloids in time for Pride Week. This year’s scandal is Sullivan’s sex life.
For an openly gay writer, Sullivan has a very high profile, with columns in the Times and The New Republic (where he was once the editor). This gadfly gay conservative is no stranger to controversy, but he knows how to turn adversity to his advantage. At the Times lecture, he made the most of his latest brush with martyrdom. Despite the advisory against questions about his private life, Sullivan repeatedly alluded to the bare-backing furor in his remarks. It was like watching a pumped-up Saint Sebastian shoot the arrows while posing as their target.
After exhorting his audience to reject the “gay victim” myth, Sullivan cast himself as a victim of the left. “They are exactly the same as the far right,” he said. “They’ll try and get you by any means they can.” Never mind that his tormentors bear about the same relationship to the left as Geraldo Rivera does. Never mind the hardcore lavender lefties who have defended Sullivan’s right to sexual privacy. “In finding him a sinner,” writes The Nation’s Richard Kim, “we don’t challenge the moralizing, normalizing values that Sullivan espouses. We just relocate ourselves, temporarily, on the other end of the finger.”
The Times lecture was an excellent occasion to sample Sullivan’s contradictions. He has always depended on the amnesia of his audience to cover his tracks. You might never know from his libertarian stance that he opposes abortion rights, or from his embrace of civil rights that he published excerpts from Charles Murray’s racist tract, The Bell Curve, on his watch at The New Republic. Tonight, Sullivan pleaded for gay solidarity (”We need each other’s support; we do not need to tear each other down”) and then complained that all the major gay organizations are run by women. He endorsed antidiscrimination laws, though he once declared that after gays win the right to marry and serve in the military, “we should throw a big party and close down the gay rights movement for good.” He rhapsodized about leather bars, though he once called joints that cater to such fetishes “abattoirs of AIDS.” And in the evening’s most bizarre moment, he urged his audience to reject hate-crime laws and arm themselves instead. To support his point, he cited Martin Luther King as an advocate of armed self-defense. This is the sort of reckless reasoning that has made Sullivan a star.
Reporters who visited his Web site at the height of the scandal were greeted with the following comment: If you “want a quote from me about the details of my sex life, feel free to use the following: ‘It is none of your business.’ ” Sullivan is right about that. His sex life is not the issue. The real scandal is why he is America’s most prominent gay writer.
Not long ago, it was impossible to imagine a gay columnist at America’s paper of record. The Times was legendary for its cold shoulder to gay activists, and its city room was considered hell on homosexual reporters. But the paper has changed dramatically. Gay men rank among its most influential staffers, and its coverage has been instrumental in the progress of gay rights. So it wasn’t entirely a surprise when a gay writer was given a prime slot at the Times magazine in 1998. But why this gay writer?
Imagine Ward Connerly, the black opponent of affirmative action—or a scathing antifeminist like Katie Roiphe—getting a column on race or women’s issues in the Times. Yet when it comes to gays, the more “politically incorrect” you are—and the more cutting toward queer culture—the farther you get in the liberal media.
Consider Camille Paglia, the attack dyke who graces the virtual pages of Salon. Not many people hold Matthew Shepard responsible for the torture he suffered, but Paglia has. Not many columnists refer to fragile men as “sissies,” but Paglia does. Not many people still think gay men are shaped by “some protracted childhood trauma [that] has overwhelmed nature’s pleasure-giving hormonal promptings,” but Paglia believes precisely that. Her pronouncement is the premise of Christian corrective therapy. Yet her throwback persona is precisely what makes her a draw. Like Sullivan, Paglia relies on gay-culture bashing to certify herself as an independent thinker. And like Sullivan, she thrives on the sexual backlash.
These gayocons stand outside the tradition of queer humanism that runs from Oscar Wilde and E.M. Forster to James Baldwin, Tennessee Williams, and Allen Ginsberg. The moral core of this lineage—its compassion, its critique of power, its respect for the sexual—still informs queer culture. It is gay liberation. But this sensibility is barely visible in the liberal media. (You have to read the radical press to find the real thing.) What has emerged instead reflects the uneasiness that remains about gay coverage, even as genteel acceptance has replaced active abhorrence. No matter how secure we may feel, the fact is that gay people live in a halfway house at best. We are out on parole.
The anxieties created by this uncertain status are felt by gays and straights alike. They are expressed in the Sullivan-Paglia persona. These writers have the moral flexibility, the self-satisfaction, and the style—charm laced with cruelty—that the times demand.
Why are attack queers so appealing to straight liberals? The fact is that launching an attack on gay “orthodoxies” is the surest route to celebrity for a homosexual thinker. Anyone who breaks with the movement is called courageous; anyone who mocks queer mores is seen as a true individual. In reality, writers like Paglia and Sullivan are reassuring rogues, affirming the biases that straights dare not admit they hold. Revulsion at gay sexuality remains imbedded in the liberal mind. Attack queers speak to that hidden loathing, expressing their audience’s forbidden feelings. They are as nasty as straight liberals wanna be.
None of this would be an issue if the liberal media presented a full range of gay and lesbian writing. Sullivan’s secret sex life wouldn’t be such a story if he weren’t the head house-homo. But the same system that empowers him also limits the number of queer voices in the mainstream media. Voltaire once said about experimenting with homosexuality, “Once, a philosopher; twice, a pervert.” So it is in the liberal press: Once a queer columnist has been hired, the quota is filled; to bring on a second or a third risks being too close for comfort.
On the road to freedom, every step is a transition. The time may come when it isn’t necessary for openly gay writers to devour their own in order to find a place in the sun. But before that can occur, liberals will have to examine the reasons why they take such delight in attack queers. As things stand, it’s easier for editors to close ranks around the designated deviant than to consider the reasons for his rise. And easier for activists to attack the king of the mountain than to ask why the slope is so steep.
very interesting article, dora. i didn’t know anything about sullivan except from reading his recent, ridiculous, articles. i thought he was a jerk through and through, just from those articles. but i had no idea what a jerk.
as for the media’s approach, didn’t know any of this. but not surprised at all.
Thanks for this article…I completely forgot about this outing of his.
Which serves him right. While he cruises the gay bars in judgment probably looking for a date. His job is due to the fact that gay men with purses fought for his right to be openly gay.
Geez…I’m not even gay and his hypocrisy offends me.
Sullivan like Paglia….are mediochre talents at best….Mostly they just cause a lot of harm and wreak havoc….Most intelligent folks disregard whatever lame provocation emits from them….They are merely sensationalist….Thanks for the reminder…
Sullivan is a self-hating homosexual. The only real difference between him and Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and John Gibson is that he’s out of the closet.
I wish to God Hillary would just declare herself an Independent Candidate for President with Wesley Clark as her running mate. Fuck the Democrats, I’ll leave the party I’ve been in my entire adult life and follow Hillary just like the Progressive Republicans followed their consciences in 1912. This is not the Democratic Party anymore, it’s the Obamacrat Party and Obama is going to be nominated by a rigged convention just like Taft was in 1912.
Clinton-Clark can win. Let’s hold a convention across the street from the Obamacrats in Denver and nominate them!
And it is to be admired, and respected.
Sullivan is pure self hate, self revulsion, he makes his OWN skin crawl.
Nothing to do with gay culture, more to do with hate.
He just happens to be a homosexual, which brings it’s own twist, but really, it’s not as if the gay community should be sterotyped, either…
I agree. His sexuality is not the issue.
He’s the hatchet man. But then we all knew that.
I had never heard of this person before and was wondering why anyone should care what he thinks. I am still wondering. I know I don’t care and I am sure there many millions more like me.
If he can influence the Democratic Party, then it’s in worse shape than I thought it was.
To follow up on my own comment here, I just checked this guy out on Wikipedia. Without ever having seen this person perform on TV, or at least not being impressed enough to remember any performances, I think the description in Wikipedia suggests he might be an “agent of influence” for those lurking “anglo-dutch elitists” often referred to by Mr LaRouche, or otherwise referred to as the New World Order elite by Christian fundamentalists. There are also some Catholic writers like the late Malachi Martin who have asserted that these New World Order forces are centered in Great Britain and intent on destroying the Catholic Church one way or another. Mr Sullivan seems suspect to me in this respect.
Interesting. I’ll have to keep my eye on this guy.
Obama cheated, he campaigned, he’s on tape sending shout outs to Florida, he then cravenly refused to accept a re-vote in 2 important states filled with active duty military serving honorably right now.
And yet, he accepts the votes of non-states Guam, The Virgin Islands, the “Citizens Living Overseas” but not serving squat, and Washington D.C. SO SHOW SOME DEMOCRATIC RESPECT AND SHOW UP FOR A VOTE IN 2 IMPORTANT STATES, you lilly livered weak, cowardly, craven DISENFRANCHISER.
OBAMA ARGUED WHIMPILY FOR THE CULINARY UNION’S RIGHT TO VOTE ON THE JOB, IN THEIR APRONS IN NEVADA…WHILE ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY FROM FL AND MI CAN’T VOTE WHILE THEY SERVE WITH HONOR.
HE WENT TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND SAID “WHO’S GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE?” THEN HE GAVE A SHOUT OUT TO FLORIDA…….AND NOW HE SUDDENLY WANTS TO DISENFRANCHISE TWO HUMONGOUS, IMPORTANT STATES FILLED WITH MINORITIES INCLUDING HISPANICS, WOMEN, DEMOCRATS OF ALL COLORS AND SOCIO-ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS.
CRAVEN DISENFRANCHISER!!!!!!!!
THE FACT IS……..2.3 MILLION VOTES HAVE BEEN COUNTED AND CERTIFIED, MORE THAN IN DEMOCRATIC HISTORY IN THESE STATES.
VOTERS VOICES MUST BE COUNTED BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, OTHERWISE, WE’RE TAKING THE NAME “DEMOCRATIC” AWAY AND STARTING OVER.
DEMOCRATS COUNT VOTES, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE. I’VE FOUGHT MY WHOLE FOR THIS.
OBAMA……IN HIP HOP LAND NOT FACING VOTERS MAKES YOU A W.I.M.P.
Pardon my dust if this was posted earlier…
The only important thing to remember about Andrew Sullivan, apart from the few lucid moments he has had over the last couple of years, is that he endorsed Bush and his war in 2000 and beyond…
it took him 4 years to figure out he had been betrayed by the neo-cons.
Oy! I’m no rocket scientist and I took one look at Bush in Summer 2000 and knew he was a an arrogant, bullying, dense snake oil salesman — this is before I had any scoop on him — we’re talking just one look…
Andrew Sullivan must feel a great deal of self loathing because he constantly chooses to go with the club that does not want him as a member. The neo-cons and Bush’s whole cadre would just as soon take homosexuals and lock them in a football stadium and pretend they didn’t exist.
Likewise, looks like Andrew’s new hero, Obambi, is a homophobe, too. Refuses to have his picture taken with the Mayor of San Francisco, takes Donnie McClurkin (a ex-gay man “reformed” through prayer) to campaign with him in South Carolina…need we say more.
Wonder how many years it will take this time til Andrew gets back on the sexist Bill Maher’s show so he can do another self righteous and ‘brave’ mea culpa — sorry Andrew — after you’ve spent all year taking a dump all over the Clintons — it will be too little too late — just as Obama’s disingenuous attempts at reconciliation with all the voters he has dumped on are too little too late.
Not only did he support Bush during the run-up to the war, Mr. Sullivan was saying that those who opposed Bush were some kind of fifth columnists:
http://www.slate.com/id/1008316/
“The middle part of the country–the great red zone that voted for Bush–is clearly ready for war. The decadent left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead–and may well mount a fifth column.”
Wow. Just like Hillary!
So why does Obama’s votes mirror exactly Hillary’s?
Being against the war before he had to vote on it isn’t inspiring.
Hey Lora, you twit, Hillary never endorsed the war–that was NOT what the vote was about (how stupid are you people?). Do some reading, educate yourself, shed the groupthink, and then, maybe then, you’ll have something to say. Fool!
Lora subscribes to the Obamatard Mantra:
“Friends Don’t Let Friends Think.”
They do a lot of self-correcting to make sure they don’t think for themselves, but follow the hive.
Uhh … in 2000 you were probably playing house with Barbie and Ken. Some of us have been around for a while and recognize a snake oil salesman when we see one.
Michigan is Meaningless sure sounds a lot like Ford to (New York): Drop Dead
“Those six syllables, as Mr. Ford later acknowledged, almost certainly lost him New York State in his 1976 race against Jimmy Carter, and with it, the presidency.”
Here’s the Obama loss line: Obama to Michigan: You’re Meaningless
I see buttons and t-shirts and rallies and a landslide loss for Mr. Obama in the GE.
Silly Sully is just suffering flashbacks from the Brown Acid, Marty Peretz, AKA Crazy Marty, use to pass out to the staff at The New Republic. To this day Sully periodically is over come with the delusional rage and hatred at all things Clinton. His good TNR buddy Michael Kelly actually went permanently mad from the drug.
Is this not same Andrew Sullivan that was in the tank with President Bush when he, President Bush was running for the first time? He, Andrew Sullivan, has no foresight. he is not worth paying attention to.
Wow. Just like Hillary!
I hope it didn’t take you too long to come up with that one.
There’s that annoying buzz again.
Does it amaze you how many supposedly smart people out there drink the koolaid?
Don’t they have any radar whatsoever? No bullsh*t detector?
I feel like we’ve been taken over by clowns at a carnival.
Most of the white liberal latte crowd has had a very privileged life. They don’t know what it’s like to be poor or hungry or without healthcare. Access to higher education is a given. Many of them live in predominately white suburbs where crime is very low and their exposure to other races is very minimal. They’re not street smart. They base their knowledge of other socioeconomic groups based upon an intellectual exercise and really have no clue about the realities of everyday life for the majority of citizens in this country.
I don’t want to sound like too much of a conspiracy theorist or anything, but here goes.
Could it be possible that the DNC, from the beginning, was hellbent on forcing Clinton out and making Obama the nominee? Look at the way Dean handled the various states with early primaries:
New Hampshire– no penalty
Iowa– no penalty, Obama spends a lot of time/money here
South Carolina– no penalty, majority of primary voters are AA
Michigan–Clinton very popular, Obama a virtual unknown. Instead of stripping the supers and having the pledged delegates count for half, Dean and co. do something utterly unprecedented: none of the delgates count
Florida– Clinton extremely popular here, Obama a virtual unknown. Same unusual treatment suffered by Michigan.
Florida and Michigan had 313 pledged delegates up for grabs and would have given an early victory and lead in the delegates.
Iowa, NH, and SC? Whopping total of 141 pledged delegates.
Further, we all know that Obama wanted to delegitimize the results of Michigan by taking his name off the ballot and that he convinced Edwards to do the same. The rules did not require this in any shape of form. (did Axelrod plan this, so that Obama could later claim the uncommitted vote?). They all agreed not to campaign, but as we know, Obama violated that because of campaign commercials in Florida.
Iowa went according to plan, but NH did not. In order to win, Obama had to fraudulently claim that the Clintons were racists before the SC primary. The only way he is leading in the delegate count today was because of the points SC memo, convincing AA voters that the Clintons were racists. The DNC aided and abetted Obama and Axelrod (Clyburn, Donna Brazile “upset” with Bill Clinton, etc) since this was the ONLY way to prevent Clinton from getting the nomination.
I’m sorry for this rather inartful post, but reading this article got me thinking. And the thought just wouldn’t go away, and I think there’s a reason for this. Whatever the hell is true, I am THIS MUCH MORE dedicated to getting Michigan and Florida to count the way they voted (Obama gets NOTHING from the Michigan primary!!!!).
If clinton does not win, I hope someone will look into what I have said.
I think your premise is quite logical.
The DNC led by Howard Dean and Donna Brazille did everything they could to help and assist Obama and Axelrod, thinking all would go smoothly.
Remember, Obama was one of the original Dean’s Dozen. (Candidates that Dean took a “special interest” in and promoting. And how was Obama set up to give the coveted Keynote Address in the 2004 Dem. Convention? Has a Keynote address ever ben given to such an unknown who was just a State Senator running for his first term….hadn’t even run yet, but his opponent was conviently kneecapped and replaced by the weakest candidate ever? And if you actually heard the speech, and didn’t hear all the “glowing accolades” would you have been that impressed? I heard it and said at the time that it was ok. But it couldn’t compare to Barbara Jordan’s speech. The hype of the speech made it seem better than it was. Just like this campaign. Hype and Bull.
Absolutely. We all see that Obama is actually the insider candidate.
Fueled by idiots like Moveon.org who apparently have such weak analytical skills that they couldn’t see the obvious.
Did you read the Michael Moore endorsement? I have never seen anything so emotionally immature or self-indulgent in my life.
I love his work, too. It’s funny and pointed and …
Well, anyway. Obama was hand-picked to defeat Hillary. No question about it at this point.
And the Dems have a real problem, since she’s the voters’ choice.
This will be the script for a republican ad against obama this fall.
michelle –
There is no conspiracy theory in what you write at all — just fact — I think this is EXACTLY what happened.
Gotta love that Lou Dobbs, by the way, who every day on his radio show, and on CNN, too, says Dean is in the tank for Obama.
Don’t forget the media!
They always pick our president.
They picked Obama, knowing it will lead to President Shuffleboard.
And what of the off mike comment during one of the early debates between Edwards and Clinton about having the race come down to just them…logoically they where in the “strongest” position at that point. Perhaps they knew then that the fix was in and could see where it was going?
Andrew Sullivan is a crazy man who changes his mind like most people change their socks. He used to be a Bush/War bootlicker, until he wasn’t. He thinks the Catholic church will one day wake up and embrace his gay self, just because he stomps his foot and wants it. He pretends to be a paragon for the gay community while engaging in risky sex while in an HIV positive status.
He just a big bullshitter. What way is the wind blowing today? There you’ll find Andrew.
His schtick used to be that he was a “tee hee” gay CONSERVATIVE…and with a jazzy Brit accent TOO! Oh, my, how, … UNIQUE! Book ‘em, Dano!
Now he’s just another muddled idiot-bigmouth who bloviates like mad and thinks his opinion is worth anything more than a warm, steaming pile of shit is.
I agree with you. Back in college I was a daily reader of Andrew Sullivan - even donated a few bucks to his site! Now he’s just crazy unhinged moonbat with a broken political and philosophical compass. I mean, really, you can never tell which personality is addressing you over there anymore.
I also get this vague suspicion that Sullivan has a real life man crush on Obama. I’m only half joking. I don’t even want to know what dirty things he’s done to Obama’s image!
I guess it’s hard luck for all of us NQ loyalists, since Clinton was never going to win.
Jesus, I wonder if the Clinton camp views it this way at all?
She should really run as an independent, there’s no other way for her to make it.
The rules committee will meet may 31st, but from what I have come up with, they will never count michigan and florida properly. Dean isn’t wetting his knickers over all the bad press– this was Donna Brazille and everyone’s plan from the get go. This is democracy? Corrupt, vile, corrupt, vile.
Hillary will win.
Screwing hillary out of her Michigan and Florida votes and delegates will get their preferred candidate obama the nomination. But come the fall the republican party will have one more weapon in their arsenal.
I’ve seen two different pictures of Ayers grinding an American flag into the dirt. I’ll bet there are more from that photo shoot that haven’t been published. I can’t wait to see a republican ad with them strung together in some sort of animation along with footage of the ’60’s riots.
They will likely find a way to seat MI and FL to placate voters which either favors or at least does not hurt Obama. Knowing all of this is true and after grappling with the fact that so much of the party has turned it’s back on the two best democrats in recent history, why should the Clintons continue to support this party?
Obama should be so proud that he has the backing of a racist swine like Andrew “Bell Curve” Sullivan. This is the bigot who argues to this day that Black people are of genetically inferior intelligence, and that it isn’t racist to assert this as fact. One wonder how Sullivan reconciles his unapologetically racist beliefs with Obama’s African heritage. Presumably he views Obama’s white mother as providing some sort genetic of leavening to what Sullivan sees as his inferior Black intellect.
Sullivan is scum. Any decent Black person would be disgusted to have his support on any level. Obama should repudiate Sullivan and all he stands for, and demand that the racist slug apologize for his bigoted past.
I won’t hold my breath.
I met some of the founders of the WomenCount PAC this evening.
http://www.womencountpac.com/Site/Welcome.html
This is from their new Web site, which is being enhanced as we speak.
THEY REALLY WANT TO PLACE A NEW AD IN THE NY TIMES NEXT WEEK and need to raise the money to do so fast. I contributed, my mother contributed, and I urge you to contribute. The new ad spoke to me. I heard that Hillary was extremely moved by the NOT SO FAST ad.
“WomenCount PAC was created to ensure that the 51 percent of American citizens who are women have their values and votes counted in the political process.
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Hillary is being anything but feckless. It would be feckless if she caved in to the party honchos and the media, and quit.
Yep.
The arrogance is astouding. The lemmings are ripe for picking off as they rush headlong to the cliff with their heads in the clouds and their feet firmly planted on thin air.
Andrew Sullivan is also a racist who justifies it with twisted science.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1271
Chronology of my knowledge of Andrew Sullivan.
Act I
Andrew Sullivan appears on CNN defending the Republicans and in particular George W. Bush. This despite the fact that at the very time, the NeoCon Witch Hunt du jur was an admendment to ban gay marriages.
Act II
Andrew Sullivan appears on Fox News bashing George W. Bush for everything under the sun. Is he a Democrat now? A RePubiCan?
Act III
Andrew Sullivan appears on MSNBC trashing Hillary Clinton, stpeaking up Obama and plugging McCain.
We await his next act.
At least he can still do the can-can.
So Andy Sullivan is a racist? I bet Michelle Obama and Jeremiah Wright are only too happy to say: WELCOME TO THE CLUB!
All racists and women haters are most welcome to Barry Obama’s cult!
Hahahahaha!
Add a comment as to why Florida and Michigan votes should be counted:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-demands.html?cid=115921706#comment-115921706
brandy, thanks for the ABC blog link. I just posted this. it isn’t even 6am here and i haven’t finished my coffee yet, so it might be screwy!
my comments at ABC:
As I’ve been saying over and over in a hundred ways since January - count the votes or perish.
That Clinton would benefit from the outset was coincidental to it being the legally and morally right thing to do.
She would win those states so no revote is not democracy or the Democratic party stance so it is astoundingly ignorant to railroad the chosen states.
The 100% instead of 50% penalty was prima-dona Brazile-nut railroading.
What about South Carolina? Smoke and mirrors magic tricks do not represent the voters.
He got zero votes in Michigan.
He ran ads and campaigned in Fl by speaking to the press and ran a campaign in Mi through surrogates. He removed his name to play the Iowa NH voters up. The rules state the delegates SHALL be seated.
The RBC will be televised. Anything more than zero votes for OB in either states is actually going against the rules.
The hanging chad paper ballot issue was attatched in Florida and the dems hands were tied by republicans led by Crist.
People who are ignorant of the facts are doomed to follow leaders to a loss.
The voters spoke loud and clear, millions of them. It is time to follow the rules and do what is right. If they had played by the rules from the start Clinton would have never lost her double digit leads.
The eyes of the world will judge them on May 31st. They must follow all the rules if they are to follow any of them.
Picking and chosing and giving Obama votes he did not actually get is not legitimate and undemocratic.
But hey, we got the power to vote with our feet. And we already are in anticipation of the cult taking over the party and railroading out the core.
Love it!
Sullivan is a paid hack. He voted for Ron Paul. That was his position for the primary he voted in. He is completely disingenuous. He and his cohorts are paid liars…pure propagandists. He is a hitman and should be exposed, along with his brethren, for the lowlife that they are.
Larry - I’m unable to find the link for Obama’s memo that Hillary referenced in her Jan. 21 press release.
Do you have it?
>>>Just last week the Obama campaign snubbed the people of Florida in a memo that stated that Florida did not matter in the nominating process
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5374
Andrew Sullivan is an asshole and a hypocrite. He “endorsed” Bob Dole and Bush, Jr. and he has the nerve to complain about the state of gay rights in America. This jerk makes it difficult for me to oppose the ban on HIV positive immigrants becoming American citizens.
DEPORT THE FOFO….BACK ACROSS THE ATLANTIC…
Great Post.
If Messiah Obama was bending over to play by the rules and so took his name off the ballot in Michigan….why did he leave his name on the ballot in Florida?
Typical Obama, no consistency.
Hillary or McCain will be our next President. Choose wisely SuperDelegates
“why did he leave his name on the ballot in Florida?”
Because candidates running for President were not allowed to take their names off the ballot in Florida otherwise, as the rules state, you forfeit your campaign.
…[Florida] law allows candidates who wish to withdraw from the Florida primary to do so by filing an affidavit stating that he or she is not a candidate for President of the United States of America. In other words: to get off the ballot in Florida, a candidate has to swear that he or she isn’t running for President.
The Official Statement - http://www.fladems.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/#q
We know that Obama (and Edwards too) was trying to embarrass Hillary and that is why the took their name off the list.
Obama has to learn sometime that there are consequences for his choices.
MI… no delegates for Obama because he did not give the voters a chance to vote for him.
FL….NO DELEGATES FOR OBAMA.. IT is in the rules !!!!
he broke the no campaign pledge in FL….and therefore would NOT get any delegates!
Yesterday on CNN, Bill Schneider basically said that if the election is brokered in Hillary’s direction there will be riots at the convention, (and of course it would all be Hillary’s fault.)
Obama = racial blackmail.
Why should Clinton be penalized for catching on early that Howard Dean does not know what he is doing?
Oh,
and I suppose that Senator Obama, who has only served (2) year in the Senate, and who has run virtually unopposed in all his other races (unless you count that idiot Alan Keyes as even remotely viable), is in Mr. Sullivan’s estimation a “beacon” of moderation in the pursuit of power?
How many years was Bill Clinton the Governor of Arkansas before he made a run for the White House? During that time he even lost a re-election bid and learned from that and came back even stronger than before. How many years was Senator Clinton involved in matters related to health care, promotion of women to executive positions on company boards she sat on? How many years did her truly good work fall under the radar before she became First Lady and then Senator?
Andrem Sullivan is a British ex-patriot who has been jerking off to pictures of Maggie Thatcher (even though he is gay) and Ronald Reagan for the past 20 years. He had no qualms about foisting the likes of George W. Bush (Mr. “I’m a Legacy himself) on this country in 2000. He has hated the Clinton’s because they epitomize the “American Dream” and he can’t stand it. Remember he comes from the public school system in England that is anything but “public”
Frankly, I want experience. drive, massive intelligence, testicular fortitude, empathy, and a true fighting spirit in a president. I want that person to really want to be president in the way that Bill Clinton wanted to be president. Obama is like Bush; he wants to be able to add President to his resume. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, loved putting in the long hours and surviving on limited sleep. He liked keeping louie Freer and George Tenant on their toes during his two terms. There were no “slam dunk” moments during his time in office. Hillary Clinton is even more prepared and will be an even greater president than her husband. She is brilliant, wonky, has the heart of a warrior, and the kindness of a mother. Hell, the military brass who were apathetic to her husband think the world of her. What the hell does that say?
I know that Mr. Sullivan is now a U.S. Citizen, but like we did so many years ago; can’t we just throw him into Boston Harbor and rid ourselves of him?
He’s still not a citizen. He can’t get citizenship because he is HIV positive.
thanks for the correction….
He has certainly been pushing Republican candidates in places like the New Republic for years…
Too bad he can only stir up trouble, and watch from the sidelines!! I’m sure he prefers it that way; asses like him always do!
Well than I say…. DEPORT THE MOFO OR I GEUESS FOFO WOULD BE MORE APPROPIATE…DEPORT THE FOFO HE IS A MENACE TO SOCIETY…
Being HIV positive may be an impediment to lawful permanent resident status (green card), but there are waivers available. Once that waiver is issued and the green card applicant becomes a permanent resident, the fact that he is HIV positive is not an impediment to U.S. citizenship. The medical report is a requirement for a green card, but not for naturalization.
Sullivan is a drunk loon.
I am also so tired of hearing about riots in the streets…..please give me a break…..so freakin what.
Thats what we pay the police for who gives a shit…..I serious doubt anyones gonna riot over Obama. This is like the hype over everything else about Obama a big hoax.
The riot will happen.
But its disengenuous to Claim that it will be a riot strictly for Obama.
Much like Obama has used the Political process to further his own personal ambitions and wealth (fictional life story passed off as autobiography, kitchen cabenets stacking to ensure more kickbacks for influence peddling, race-baiting to ensure securing 90% of the black vote), the rioters will use Obama as the excuse to cover up an evening of Home appliance, electronics and clothing shopping.
Well to start “Sulley” is a self hating, self loathing, log closetqueen repugnantklaner with a murder/suicide fixation. How else can you explain a gay man who is HIV possitive who advertizes for one night stand or restroom encounter “bareback”(no condum)sex?In a just world once he was confirmed as HIV poss. and he continued his promiscuity he should have been confined as a danger to public health. Anyone he had sex with after the date of his being diagnosed should be notified that they were the victem of Attempted Murder in the first degree and if anyone comes up possitive Mr. Sullivan should be brought to court from his confinement and charged with First Degree Murder. So starting from THERE is it any surprise that “sulley” writes slightly deranged, irrational, illogical columns about the Clintons. Not to get all Psyhc 101 or anything but it seems pretty obvious that “sulley” had the hots for Big Dawg and when he was confronted with the reality of Bills heterosexuality and his little manlove bubble was burst he kinda tipped over the edge. And since Senator Clinton is the “WOMAN” who keeps “sulley” from his object of desire he must destroy both him and her. HER because she’s the ONE who stole his “lover” and HIM because he’s the one who regected sulley, whether BigDawg ever KNEW sulley loved him or not. And that might also explain the suicide/homicide impulses also. Idonknow, maybe obamalamadingdong is having a little bit of a downlow feeling along the same lines. That might help explain the misogyny. That and the emasculating nature of ms. dingdong…well, it could explain a WHOLE lot. Stay out on the campaign trail and you don’t have to actually spend many evenings alone with her huh?(some but not ALL of the preciding post is said with tounge firmly imbedded in cheek)
BREAKING VIEO FROM YOUTUBE!!
Huffington Post is trying to pass off this undercover video of an obama supporter being indoctrinated into the koolaid cult as cross species support.
Somebody call PETA!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuKqWEYzhEA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuKqWEYzhEA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuKqWEYzhEA
Sully is an embarassment. His pathology is so transparent even a half-wit can see it. He has no self awareness. Zero. As a gay man I cringe anytime anyone prints something he has written.
As the sister of a Gay man and a supporter of Gay rights and an intelligent human being….I second your cringe…
jammu,
Every gay friend I have despises barack Obama. Would you say overall, that this is the general consensus?
I mean he refused to have his photo taken with the San Fran Mayor and I was told that he didn’t show up for an interview in a magazine, which then posted a blank page where his interview was supposed to appear.
He did more than that. In SC, he stated directly that marriage was between man and woman only.
I am fed up with the media dictating our candidate by treating Obama as if he is the nominee.
McCain for president.
markos, sullivan, and huff post make the heathers look like sunday school teachers. they are the most vile, corrupt, shallow group of losers i have seen in a long time. begone!
Did Clinton campaign in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina? If so, this alleged conspiracy fades into nothingness.
Entering the primaries, Clinton had name recognition, more money, inevitability, a popular former President’s support, loyal followers, and would be preferable to any Republican. Unfortunately, now she has almost as many delegates as the leader and soon-to-be nominee.
wait what? NH, IA, and SC were not punished. There was no rule telling the candiates not to campaign.
>>> Is Andrew Sullivan a Sociopathetic Hack?
Does Rose Kennedy own a black dress?
RFLOL….That is a good one….
Still trying to steal the election Clinton Nuts?
Maybe you and Queen Hillary should leave America, and setup a royal dynasty in a fairyland all of your own. Then Queen Hillary can tell you tall stories about how she is dodging sniper fire everyday to “Defend” her mindless horde, how she is named after Sir Edmund Hillary - before he had climbed Everest, how she will provide you with free fuel anyday now and how your tax money is being spent wisely by her corrupt pals.
Sounds good?
Thank you, Ben-dover, for your comment.
Andrew Sullivan is another one I don’t give a second thought.
He’s so screwed up psychologically, so logically inconsisent, he is unable to make sense, unable to grasp the real meaning behind any given issue.
Useless.
He has never written one impressive, insightful word, never mind the politics.
Just another of the Dick Morris class…
I see his name, I skip.
Ditto Tom. I can’t imagine how he’s even gotten press, other than he “used” to work for the Clintons. Dick Morris has more clout, and he’s warped, obviously.
This guy? He’s just a nobody, frankly.
Some quotes from Clinton:
“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.
And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role.
Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
AND from McAuliffe:
“I’m going outside the primary window,” [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.
“If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses,” I [McAuliffe] said. “We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost.”
He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.
“You won’t deny us seats at the convention,” he said.
“Carl, take it to the bank,” I said. “They will not get a credential. The closest they’ll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it.”
We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.”
Possibly the only people MORE screwed up then sulley are the koolaide besotted obamazoids. A more pathetic bunch of don’t wanna know no facts,self loathing, self hating political suiciders this country has NEVER known.
I was just thinking about Howard Dean, and how ironic it is that
the guy who was going to “Take Back Our Country,” is now taking
away our party.
there are other things that solidify Sullivan’s insanity. he’s a gay republican. right there, the guy’s sanity comes into question.
not to mention he’s a bit of a self hating gay. but then again, aren’t all gay republicans?
You’re right. She didn’t. But Terry McCauliffe did. In ‘04, remember? Now he’s the champion and defender of civil rights in the never ending quest to move the goal posts? Goal posts that, by the way, were agreed to by both camps prior to the primary season. Hillary and company went about the business of securing the nomination in the paleo-politics of the DLC. Obama went about the business of securing the nomination the old fashioned way………….. by the rules.
Except he ran national TV ads that ran in Florida.
National ads that were bought on CNN. You folks always want to forget that. BTW. This was a direct result of the Telecommunications Act that was signed by…………… who was that again? Hmmmm……….. oh yeah! Bill Clinton!!!
Well, sorry a national ad on CNN bled into Florida cable systems because Bill allowed media consolidation.
My bad.
There is nothing wrong with national advertising. There is much wrong with breaking your word, which is what Obama did. Even Obamabots should be able to see this.
No. He didn’t break his word. The national ad was bought and paid for long before this agreement. And allow me to get this into your head:
It was bleed over in a cable news market created by Bill’s Telecom Bill that he signed!!!! Barack couldn’t help that it was carried in Florida. It wasn’t even targeted to that market.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!! What’s it gonna take to get you folks to accept the inevitable? You’re doing nothing but helping McCain.
Maybe that’s your plan? We’ve all been apprised of this story:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/21/mccain-seeks-internet-trolls-to-push-campaign-approved-talking-points/
is that what’s going on here?
I’ve always respected Larry immensely. But his readers need to accept reality. Hillary has been beaten. Even with Mich. and Florida she can’t get the delegates. That’s why now it’s about the “popular vote”
Goal posts moving and moving and moving……………
Let me ask you a question.
If Barack had lost 11 in a row in Feb. and March do you think that the media, you people, and the DNC would have allowed this to go on and on like this?
Here’s a short answer to a stupid question;
No.
First the pledge was made long before the Iowa caucus, at a time in which Obama did not have enough money to even consider a national ad buy. The ad was purchased with money he raised AFTER “winning” Iowa. No other candidates ran national ads before Florida to avoid breaking the rules.
“You’re doing nothing but helping McCain.” Better McCain than Obama. In the following list: Clinton, McCain, Nader, Green Party candidate, Libertarian Candidate, and Obama. Obama is my sixth favorite.
“is that what’s going on here?” Look at when this “call” went out. Most of us have been arguing against Obama for a lot longer than that!
“If Barack had lost 11 in a row in Feb. and March do you think that the media, you people, and the DNC would have allowed this to go on and on like this?” Yes they would. MSNBC would run numerous specials complaining about racist viewers. Olberman would name Democratic voters as his “worst person in the world,” Pelosi would argue that superdelegates should follow the popular vote, etc.
Isn’t blaming Bill Clinton for everything a play out of the GOP play book? Your comment takes me back to early 2001.
Obama was the only candidate that signed the pledge against campaigning in Florida or Michigan that actually ran TV ads in Florida. If he was incapable of keeping his word, she never should have agreed to it.
You don’t really want to go there, do you? Republican playbook?
A little projection on display, I think. Quoting Rove. Race baiting. “Hard working Americans, err, white Americans…….again”.
You display a lot of nerve accusing me of that. The fact is, Bill has lamented that decision to sign that bill. And you know it. To accuse me of GOoPer tactics is bullshit.
Pot, meet Kettle.
“Race Baiting”!!!!!!!!! To quote one of Bambi’s many psycho friends (Pflegger) “HOW DARE YOU” The Obama camp has been playing the race card for a long time accusing Bill Clinton of racism for challenging Obama’s views on Iraq. Some of them even accused BET founder Bob Johnson, an African American, of racism for pointing out Obama’s cocaine use.
How many of Clinton’s major supporters have said she is the better candidate because of her race? None!! How many of Clinton’s major supporters have said she is the better candidate because of her race? Many, from Kerry on down! So which side is race baiting again?
Oops the last paragraph should read
How many of Clinton’s major supporters have said she is the better candidate because of her race? None!! How many of Obama’s major supporters have said she is the better candidate because of her race? Many, from Kerry on down! So which side is race baiting again?
hillary did, you idiot!
No she did not!!!!
And please don’t drag out that horrible misrepresent quote about “hard working white voters” That is not what your simple little programed mind thinks it is.
Well, what will they say about Obama being a homosexual, then?
Gay bashing?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Silly Wabbit. I think this speaks for it’s self:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjoMcqMTMfwShe addressed the content of the AP article that she didn’t write and it is taken out of context to slander her as racist.
Once again, Obama and his supporters have one set of rules for them and another set for everyone else.
Taking the Rev out of context…bad.
Taking Hillary and Bill out of context…Obama’s entire campaign strategy.
Hypocrite!
Aren’t they the ones that blamed Bill Clinton for everything? Even the Republicans finally realized it was a ridiculous strategy. And don’t fool yourself, if you favor the superdelegates giving the nomination to Obama, you are asking for another four years with a Republican as President.
he’s ahead in the delegates, pop vote, states won. and you’re claiming the supers will steal it for him?????
now, who’s delusional ?
i’d posit, you.
The rules allow for compromise. The issue has gone way past the initial rules. The fact is that Obama blocked compromise offers in both states.
Everyone knows it.
He can ONLY redeem himself if he bites the bullet and rights this wrong.
He had assumed he would have his 2026 by now. He didn’t. He blew it. If he seats them properly, his number jumps to 2210, and she is too close in delegate count for comfort. He’s only claiming the nomination now based on an imaginary majority number, which he’d lose if he sets this issue aright.
He screwed himself when he wouldn’t take the risk of a revote in MI. She even found the money. He blocked it. He was faring poorly in Ohio and knew he wouldn’t win. That was a big mistake. Sometimes, you have to take a loss and win the battle.
Now, he’s pretty much cornered. People are marching in Florida. There will be a huge protest rally on the 31st.
And who is the cause?
Obama.
Welcome to politics.
Right. Same old double standard, blame her for seeing the faults in the process and free pass to him for actually breaking their ever-hailed rules.
Let’s not forget this nifty little piece of the historical record:
Anyone want to talk about this?
Sure. When did she campaign in either Michigan or Florida? Obama did (whoops) but she didn’t.
she put her name on the ballot in Michigan. That should tell you enough about her intentions.
Hence the nonsense that we’re currently witnessing.
Look, she should have taken this race more seriously.
She ran a shitty campaign and got beat. Deal with it. Move on. Help the nominee beat John McSame.
The nominee isn’t Hillary. It isn’t going to be Hilary. Acceptance. That’s the final stage of grief. Get to it.
Yes. She wants to be President. Go figure.
Obama and Edwards had their names on the ballot too. They then had it removed at the last minute to gain favor in Iowa. They were never asked by the DNC to have their names removed. So why did they do it? It was a political tactic that had advantages and disadvantages.
Obama chose NOT to allow the people of Michigan the opportunity to vote for him.
Because of the rules.
What rule said that the candidates should take their name off the ballot?
Once again I refer you to the pledge:
did you get that?
I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential
election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008
And she kept her pledge. She didn’t campaign or participate. The word “participate” does not mean she would not allow people to vote for her. If that was the intent, the pledge would have called for candidates to have their names removed. It means she wouldn’t make public appearances or participate in any debates.
Obama seems to have really taken that last part to heart.
then why didn’t he apply the same set of rules to Florida..name on ballot AND HE CAMPAIGNED there.
So because of that, Hillary should get all of the delegates, right?
The superdelegates in August are going to have to choose one of the two remaining candidates. They will either go with the candidate that has a slight lead in the pledged delegate count or they will go with the candidate that has a slight lead in the popular vote. Hopefully they will go with the candidate that is the most electable and stands the better chance at beating McCain.
That’s Hillary.
I got news for ya. This is over in 2 weeks and Hillary ain’t it.
Deal with it.
We’ve got news for you. It’s all over on Nov. 4th and Obama isn’t it.
If you are sincere and not a paid supporter, I extend my condolences.
How’s she gonna win the nominatino????
She will have the popular vote sewn up any way you want to slice and dice it by the end of the voting.
He will claim victory because he hits 2026, although that means the votes in MI and FL aren’t being honored. He essentially has to send them a party hat and say, “Better luck next time.”
He will be the illegitimate nominee who only had 1 brief spate of wins in states with AA dominance.
He will not win back the traditional Dems. He’s now insulted them beyond repair. He will not win back the lion’s share of women. He’s now insulted them beyond repair. He will not win over Jewish Dems. Koch said he’s voting for McCain. That’s NY. Fla. Dems are openly saying they’ll vote McCain.
He’ll have his illegitimate nomination go down in flames.
And he won’t be able to blame anyone but himself. This is just what happens when you don’t play fair and actually win over voters.
and exactly how will she have the popular vote lead?
The old fashoned way she earns it.
I’ve got news for you. I will never vote for a man who must subvert democracy to win!
He subverted democracy in literally every race he has run. By suing other more experienced Dems off of the rolls, and stealing citizen’s right to choice.
And even worse, by exploiting private divorce cases normally blocked from the public domain in order to smear parents of children.
The man has no honor. Deal with it!
I agree with you there. He’s a bona fide Chicago politician. On that point, he did not lie.
Obama tried to hoodwink everyone to take their names off the ballot in Michigan. He saw the poll numbers and knew his ass would be kicked to Pakistan. Then he had a movement, which his sycophants were dumb enough to put on the internet–encouraging his voters to vote “uncommitted”. Too bad it didn’t work, since when you remove your name off a ballot you have no legal right to contest an election. Lucky for him Howard and Donna have been holding that up for him while he limps around getting more delegates TWO months after that election so that it wouldn’t matter any longer. Barack Obama is the most vile of cheaters and Florida and Michigan know it. He’s in florida right now trying to avoid being pelted with oranges.
“she put her name on the ballot in Michigan. That should tell you enough about her intentions.”
Actually, all the candidates names were in the Ballot but Obama, Edward, and Richardson took their names off the Ballot when polls showed that they were running far behind.
There are many reasons for the delegate differences, and while one could make an argument that she “ran a shitty campaign and got beat” one could make a stronger argument that unrepresentative caucuses is the real reason.
“Help the nominee beat John McSame.” You are mistaken if you think the majority of people here prefer Obama to McCain. It is not sour grapes, it is simply a strong dislike of Obama’s mindset and his sleazy, hateful associates.
Name these “sleazy, hateful associates”
Ayers, Wright, Pflegger, Rezco, Dohrn, Meeks, and many others!
inventions of convenience. If you want to talk about baggage, Hillary’s your girl.
just wait until she is called before the grand jury in Califorinia re: Bill’s fundraising and her complicity in it.
Hillary isn’t Rove’s favorite candidate because he wants to borrow her shoes.
You forgot Khalidi, Alsammare, Auchi, and Brzezinski .
Thanks Uppity! I couldn’t name them all. Being a Hillary supporter, my old, arthritic fingers couldn’t type that much!
You for one
I didn’t make a personal attack here. what’s your problem?
the point being, that all three candidates knew that these states were out. Out. No say. Hillary didn’t expect to get beat 11 straight contests in a row. She discounted the caucus states, claimed they weren’t important - since when has Iowa not been important? - and now claims that WV and KY are the most important states EVAH!! Here’s a clue: Hillary, Barack, and the second coming of LBJ wouldn’t win those two states in ‘08 and you know it.
Acceptance!!! Next stop, Acceptance!!!
Jimmy Carter won them in 1976, Bill Clinton won them both times. Hillary would easily win West Virginia; she leads by more than five points in W, Virginia and polls show her as competitive in Kentucky.
5 whole electoral votes. Obama will smash McSame in at least one state that is triple the electoral votes of WV. Here’s a clue:
Her WV and KY victories weren’t TEH AWESOME that you think they were. Obama has an Appalacian problem. They’re low educated, bigoted, poor and scared.
California already has buyer remorse in regards to Hillary. Obama will carry all the states she claims are the states needed to win the GE. With the exception of the ludicrous claim that WV is the new Ohio.
At last! Push an obamatriod enough and they reveal their true nature.
Oh brother were art thou?
West Virginia is not the new Ohio. Ohio is the new Ohio. Apparently you haven’t observed many presidential elections. Ohio, along with Florida, Michigan and PA are what is known as Swing States. This means they have no problem whatsoever voting republican in general elections. Barky won’t carry Ohio, PA and Michigan because he and assholes like you think those Bitter Hicks in those states, along with dumb old “appalachia” don’t vote. He also won’t carry florida because all those nasty old people he disdains hate him. I won’t even get into what the Latinos down there think of him and his idea to French kiss Castro’s brother.
You Obamazoids really do also have a problem imagining that you are the only higher-educated people on earth. This makes me laugh every time I see it. You also think that education all by itself actually means something without achievement. Meanwhile, most of you are all busy living home with your parents, sucking down their retirement funds while you spend all your pissant money on yourself trying to appear “upscale”. Some of us even support some of you.
No you are the ignorant, scared, racist.
That area has already voted for a black Gov and considering they send more of their children per capita than any area in the country. I guarantee they would have no probelm voting for Gen Colin Powell, even as a Republican.
In fact Gen Colin Powell was begged to run several times.
However, that doesn’t fit with the racist revisionist history that Obama and his supporters have to spew.
The lot of you can’t wrap your bigoted brains around the fact that he isn’t the best candidate, and project your sickness onto people who won’t drink the kool-aid.
“Obama has an Appalacian problem” On this you are 100% correct. It is undeniable and it should terrify every Obama supporter. Democrats do not win the White House without winning Appalachia. It doesn’t happen; it can’t happen.
It’s a long way to August. And Time is not really Barry’s friend.
Obama’s CNN ad that he said was for the South Carolina primary (but aired across borders to Florida as well) continued to air well beyond that primary, right up to the primary in Florida. OOPS!
Another person from Chicago who knows Obama even better than we do. We have met quite a few of them.
Good blog, Pagan. It needed to be said. some may think why take that clown seriously but we have to rebut so that others won’t take him seriously. What is galling is that these idiots get paid for the diatribe they spew.
I would suggest not getting distracted by the trolls. The thread gets unreadable at some point with all their two-bit ideas. I see a few of them emerging from their caves now. Before they showed up, I was thinking about how useful everybody’s input was with all the sources/information. The Obamabots who show up here will not change their views and there is no use in trying to engage/reform them.
Hold that line!!! Okay……….. Move that goal post!!!…… Okay…… Hold that line!!!
You are clogging up our board. Try DKos.
I find it staggering that there are people like Larry Johnson who are so enamored of Hillary Clinton that they have simply lost all objectivity. The equivocation and redirection reflected in this post are so bizarre as to approach entertaining.
And to be delivered by a guy with a Moe Howard haircut just makes it that much more delightful.
If there were any content here, I guess we could respond.
Are you like the blog police? Race around awarding your judgment like points or something?
So this is the new ‘conversation’? Calling Sullivan an idiot?
Whatever point Mr Johnson might have had is completly insignificant due to his childish namecalling.
Grow up, Larry. And quit embarrasing yourself.
Not to confuse you with facts, but Larry was not the one who wrote this post.
The hallmark of an obamatroid, a complete disregard of the facts.
BTW, Hillary supporters, what’s up with Hillary quoting Karl Rove now?
When did he suddenly become the beacon for Democratic logic and truth?
Jesus. When I heard that nonsense I knew that we were witnessing delusion in a pantsuit.
Why so upset when Obama sanctified Reagan from the get-go….not to mention some of his policy stances…and votes in the Senate when he took them…
OH! Larry didn’t write this? That changes everything.
Yes it changes your grade in Reading Class to an “F”.
Isn’t Sullivan the cultist that started the “imagine the face OBama would present to the world?” As in, he is so wonderful, he’ll erase the Bush legacy, because of this “ethnic” background??
As if Bill Clinton et al are HATED around the world and Hillary couldn’t pick up from where he left off and straighten out the mess? As if Hillary, who helped women with the start-up of microbanks wouldn’t be embraced by at least HALF the world’s population?? (You know, the half that doesn’ count??)
He IS an idiot! Nothing but image for these people…and how perfect is that IMAGE now???? Not so much…not good enough for Obama to make up for his foreign policy blunders..
This explains everything. Thank god there’s a little common sense out there.
This bears highlighting:
Total and utter hack bull shit !….try again…..crammitz up yo ass…
Daily Kos “explaining everything”. That’s like asking Karl Marx to explain.
“A vote is not just a piece of paper. A vote is a human voice; a statement of human principle. And we should not let those voices be silenced. Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long as the country’s laws and democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count.” - Al Gore
If the committee decides to not count and seat Florida and Michigan AS THEY VOTED then by all means, we MUST take this fight to Denver.
Barack “bamboozle America” Obama and David “Broken” Axelrod do not want Florida and Michigan to count.
Well, I think the 17+ million MAJORITY (soon to be 18+ million) of voters in this election that have voted for Hillary Clinton will have a lot to say on this matter!
Let your voices be heard loud and clear!!
America is worth fighting for!!
Count the votes from Florida and Michigan as they voted!
NO EXCEPTIONS!!
NO DEALS!!
NO RETREAT!!
GO HILLARY!!
You might as well add: JOHN McCAIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!
Troll.
Ok: JOHN McCAIN FOR PRESIDENT.
Obama Troll.
ditto. the obamatroll apparently isn’t smart enough to realize that john mccain for president is what will happen and what we want to happen if her obamaidiot is nominated.
wonder what reply is next - the s ct/roe one? the 100 years one? the gas prices one? the hillary wants us to support obambi one? the you’re not a real democrat one? the you’re a bunch of racist, stupid, rednecks one? oh my, so many to choose from. the obamatools must have trouble picking which….
and for some reason, the obamatools think we take them seriously. btw, joeyess, i’m sure you’ll write some predictable crap in response to this post, but i won’t bother to answer you - have better uses for my time, plus know that the best way to punish a misbehaving child is to put him in the corner and ignore him until he gets over it.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
This also harkens back to a little Malcolm X race baiting as well:
Ahhh…….. you can fool some of the people some of the time, but your inner racist is showing.
I’m sorry, but where were you again when Obama rolled out the “hoodwink, bamboozle, okie-doke” speech when campaigning in heavily African American populated states?
YOUR St. Obama is the one that pulled THAT crap (note he didn’t use the bamboozle speech in Iowa or Idaho) to stir racial division in those states, and you can’t try to play the race card NOW when it was Obama who introduced those words into this race BY HIMSELF.
When will your candidate EVER take responsibility for ANYTHING!?
Obama = “Democratic” George W. Bush:
1. Daddy issues (check)
2. Untravelled (check)
3. The “Uniter” (check)
4. Can’t take responsibility (check)
He’ll have to now. McCain’s campaign has signalled that the game he ran on Hillary isn’t going to fly with him.
McCain is not letting him off the hook with his flip-flop on Iran. The beat goes on…..
Wait till they hit him with his gun control flip flop.
Most of us didn’t even know “bamboozle” and “hoodwink” until Barack Obama introduced us to the words. Of course, nobody knows those words better than HE does, since they are a large part of his own strategy.
Hillary had the most supporters on the DNC rules committee of any candidate, and they all voted to strip MI and FL of their delegates last August.
6 days later, Hillary Clinton signed a pledge that read: “We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
On Sept. 1, Clinton spokeswoman Patti Doyle released this statement:“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
If you want to talk disenfranchisement, take it up with Hillary, the Original Disenfranchiser herself.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B3_oepXCqDY
However the DNC rules do not call for the disenfranchising of the voters. Only a penalty in the form of allowed delegates. Also the rules allow for exceptions.
So how are you going to justify Obama’s blocking re-votes? LOL.
They will tell you he didn’t block the votes even though his two goons on the state senate, Buzz and Tupac, blocked the bill for a revote from being voted on. One of them later smirked and said, “It’s good to be in the lead.”
Here’ssssssssssss Tupac and Buzz now!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3szT6Cv20&eurl=http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com/search?q=tupac
What is bizarre is that people would support a man who otherwise could not get security clearance because of his relationships. He s also not prepared to be president and has little international savvy or even instinct. yet throngs of people support him with the mantra that experience doesn’t matter….that he will unify our country…what planet are you people on? he has not shown the ability to unite or the knowledge to be president. He is a marketing scheme funded by billionaires and left wing zealots.
Amy,
Can you please point me to the Savvy and Instinct ratings you cite?
Also, I’m interested in investing in this marketing scheme. Is it like Amway?
Alf
Where I come from he not only would not have gotten clearance, he wouldn’t have made it past the lobby.
Good point, I never thought about that….
He couldn’t pass the security check to do my father’s job within military intelligence…..but somehow he can pass for the Commander in Chief position?
Wow…that is an excellent 527 ad.
I knew the Obama team would raise this characterization of Hillary again after she essentially announced she’ll go all the way to the convention if MI and FL aren’t resolved fairly. It’s not surprising that they put Andrews out to do the hatchet job. His endorsement was one of the most mean-spirited and almost eclipsed Richardson’s, except in name clout.
However, Hillary has the high ground on this. She offered a legitimate revote in MI and found the money. Obama turned it down. He won’t be able to claim otherwise without being branded, yet again, a liar. His stack of sheer lies are mounting up, and they are small gaffes. His news today is ALL about how he’s flip-flopping on statements regarding Iran. It will be his achilles heel.
Today there’s an article that says McCain won’t allow Obama to dictate the ground rules. He’s hired a Rove protegee. The dirt is being prepared as we speak.
I happen to agree with the DNC regarding some limits to the number of states that can precede Super Tuesday. However, the draconion punishment? That was an early decision that was expected, from all readings, to not be so harshly enforced. Of course, that was before anyone could anticipate the near tie between our candidates. Now, it’s a political hot potato for Obama.
He doesn’t fight Hillary? Her delegate count will be close enough to give him heartburn. He does fight Hillary, he’ll be remembered as the guy who won the nomination through trickery.
Right now, some are saying: “Electability doesn’t matter.” If that’s the case, then the Democrats really should not bother to raise funds or put forth candidates, because it’s too stupid and a waste to continue to back candidates who will lose.
What is clear is that his money-raising has actually won this primary. That’s why commonsense has flown out the window with so many people. They see that money and just drool.
Rules were agreed upon in August of last year. When Hillary started to realize her strategy wasn’t panning out, she decided she would like to change the rules. Do you think for a second that if she had been leading, she would’ve agreed to a revote in FL for Obama? Come on.
The rules were agreed upon by all campaigns, the campaign strategies were developed accordingly. Hillary’s campaign team just blew it.
Now, I’m not sure why McCain talking points on Iran and “dirt” send you into such a tizzy. Obama has proven more than capable of turning back spin on the merits, and Hillary would be facing some very substantial charges of flip-floppery (the Iraq war comes to mind) were she leading the Dem field now, not to mention plenty of her own dirt.
Also, who is saying “electability doesn’t matter”? That would be dumb, because it’s an election. I think it does matter, which is why I support Obama.
As someone here once brilliantly noted, if rules are all that’s important then Rosa Parks would have sat in the back of the bus. But they aren’t; an unjust rule must be fought no matter who agrees to it.
How can you claim that a candidate who cannot win many key swing states is electable? He is behind in the polls in most key states and further behind in states some supporters claim he will use to replace them. Worse there is strong historical tenancy for voters to move toward the incumbent party, not toward the challenger, in presidential elections.
But the thing is, rules do matter. It goes to character. Do you think the Rosa Parks comparison is valid? If Rosa Parks had decided that she would push for rules that forced her to sit at the back of the bus, then changed her mind when she realized that that was racist, I think she might not occupy the same status in American History.
Anyway, Hillary wanting to change the rules when she started losing is not really in the realm of Rosa Parks’ principled stand, now is it?
Depending on which polling service you favor, Obama leads McCain in PA, IA, and CO. He’s close or tied in NM, NC, VA, MI, WI, MO, FL, OH, and even getting there in AK, of all places. While Hillary may do better in some of these polls, it’s quite early yet. For me, the argument against Hillary’s electability has more to do with her horrible campaign team (witness her swift fall from inevitable to losing), and with what would have to happen for her to take the nomination. You can’t tell me that that process wouldn’t put a big dent in her already high unfavorables. It’s not registering as much in polls right now because I believe that Obama supporters just don’t think it’s likely to happen.
Let’s see what happens to her electability if she takes this to the convention floor.
You make some good intelligent points.
However, Clinton did not push for the rules. She went along with Brazille and others who were adamant about it. It was a very human mistake. But Obama’s steadfast refusal to allow for a re-vote is pure selfishness and against everything the party stands for. As for the inconceivable Rosa Parks story you present, people who fight to correct mistakes that they were involved with are often highly regarded.
In general polls show he is well behind in NC, VA, MO, FL, OH. He is very unlikely to win any of these states. I can guarantee* he won’t win Ohio for the same exact reason that Gore and Kerry could not win there. He, like they did, comes across as a condescending outsider. Even without Wright and Ayers, which will fly there he cannot win.
The demographics are horrible for him in FL. and NC and VA are far to conservative for him. MO is conceivable but an extreme longshot Appalachia does influence this state.
Personally, I predict he will win WI and at least one of PA and MI.
CO polls are likely to drop for him as an initiative to overturn affirmative action will probably expose his tasteless 2006 radio ad in Michigan where he said that an end to affirmative action (in Michigan) would be a worse tragedy than 9/11. Yes he actually said that! It will hurt him and the issue will turn out conservatives.
You are correct about the negatives but they are very unlikely to get much higher. All, a significant number of average people (not freelance activists like us) know are the stories spread by Rush and others. Obama’s negatives are likely to rise as Wright, “typical white person,” and his other troubles become the 527 ads du jour. His polling is likely to go way down after peaking at the convention. Hillary’s is likely to rise as people see that she isn’t the Limbaugh / Hannity monster woman, who eats baby kittens for breakfast.
*Of course if something inconceivable like McCain was outed as a cold war Russian spy or Obama pledged to legalize polygamy, then these predictions would be meaningless.
ulahane, wow, i wasn’t aware of obambi’s ad saying an end to affirmative action would be a worse tragedy than 9/11. that’s so bad on so many levels. if i were running against him, i’d 527 that one in a minute.
re polling peaking at the convention - agree, except the probable 10 point bump everyone seems to get after a convention. he’ll get his, then mccain will get his, then back to normal - which means obambi dropping like a stone.
you make an excellent point about hillary’s negatives not rising vs. obambi’s rising. i find it amusing when i hear the ahole saying the more people get to know him the more they’ll like him - arrogant and untrue at the same time. the more people get to know him, the more they can’t stand the sight of him. and the more people get to know hillary, the more they realize the false image the obambi’s and his msm/dnc pals put out there is a bunch of bull.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Yes. In 1996 Michigan had an initiative on the ballot to make it illegal to consider race in awarding government contracts and in college admissions. It was being pushed by an African American*, Ward Connerly and was opposed by Sen. Obama (both from out of state). I heard the radio ad when I was visiting relatives up there. It began …
“If you could have prevented 9-11 from ever happening . . . would you have? . . . If you could have prevented Katrina . . . what would you have done?”
That’s all I can find online so far but it doesn’t get better.
It is a complete MSM myth that Obama has not taken a stand on affirmative action. He has long been a militant supporter as demonstrated by the ad and by his 2007 NAACP interview.
“Oh, I’m a firm believer in affirmative action. The question that was asked was, do I think that my daughters are disadvantaged. And I said no, because their father is a United States senator and both their parents are working professionals. But what I also said is that there is a strong and ongoing intersection between race and class in this country — that racism is still an issue that has to battled. Affirmative action is an important tool, although a limited tool, for us to deal with these issues. I say limited simply because a large portion of our young people right now never even benefit from affirmative action because they’re not graduating from high school.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11945378
*This isn’t important except to discourage trolls from accusing the sponsors of being racist.
Except that the ad doesn’t say that. It does say:
“If you could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening, would you have?” an announcer asks in the ad. “If you could have prevented Katrina from ever happening, what would you have done? On November 7th, there’s a national disaster headed for Michigan: the elimination of affirmative action.”
Admittedly, a clunky ad, but not exactly claiming that Prop 2 was “worse than 9/11.”
The League of Women Voters, AARP, AFL-CIO, etc. all opposed Prop 2 because they believed it could threaten some programs they thought were beneficial to women and girls. Gov. Granholm, opposed it.
You said: “In general polls show he is well behind in NC, VA, MO, FL, OH”
Polls I’m citing:
VA: Obama 49- McCain 42 (MOE 4) SUSA 5/22
MO: McCain 48-Obama 45 (MOE 3) SUSA 5/18
FL: McCain 45-Obama 41 (MOE 3) Q 5/22
OH: McCain 44-Obama 40 (MOE 3) Q 5/22
NC: McCain 48-Obama 45 (MOE 5) Rasmussen 5/12
CO: Obama 48-McCain 42 (MOE 4) Rasmussen 5/21
I know these things fluctuate, but I don’t really know why I should believe that Obama’s numbers (or Hillary’s, for that matter) will soften as we get closer to the GE. It seems like, where Obama is defying expectations, you expect him to lose support. Where he’s doing poorly, you trust the polls.
Anyway, my general point is that there is no good reason to talk down any Dem vs. McCain…unless you want McCain to win. I haven’t done that with Hillary. I think she’d be a great candidate, and I’d vote for her vs. McCain in a heartbeat.
Do you have the full transcript to that ad? (That was meant friendly not snarky)
As best I can remember without is the Obama uses the word “worse” after he comes on saying “Hi, this is Illinois senator Barack Obama…” but I only heard it once, two years ago. But even if I’m wrong, “equivalent” to 9/11 isn’t much better than “worse”
And I did not argue for the rightness or wrongness of the issue, only its political effectiveness of the issue. The issue passed easily, despite the usual suspects opposing it. It is extremely unpopular and will hurt anyone too strongly linked to it. (Granholm’s position was more about not angering her base of support in Detroit and Lansing than anything else. I like her, but she is a politician).
Yes there are varying polls which is why I consider demographics and history a better guide.
I am very much on the record as saying that I do not trust Obama and will not support him. Wright and Ayers are just two of the deal breakers.
My non-snarky questions:
Are you supporting McCain if it’s Obama v. McCain?
What is your beef with Ayers?
What is your beef with Wright?
Genuinely asking for details.
Supporting might be a strong word, but if I vote, it will for McCain (really against Obama). The rest will likely be straight Democrat.
William Ayers is an unrepentant Domestic terrorist. He and his friends bombed the pentagon and killed / crippled innocent people. He got off on a technicality and has since stated that he wishes they had set more bombs and had a recent publicity picture of himself trampling on a U.S. flag. Not a good person.
Obama’s connection to Ayers is more than “just a guy in my neighborhood” Obama launched his political career, his first run for the state senate in William Ayers house, he served together with Ayers on the board of the Woods Foundation and have been longtime political allies.
I hope you have seen all the various Jeremiah Wright snippets out there (God Damn America, AmeriKKKa, American troops are doing the same thing as Al Quaida under different flags, etc.) and have hopefully read them in context, which only makes them worse. He is a hate monger of the highest order.
Obama not only sat in Wright’s church for twenty years and brought his daughters there, he named one of his books after one of Wright’s sermons, he called Wright his spiritual mentor, he donated many thousands of dollars to Wright, and many other items. There’s was a very close friendship.
I do not think these two individuals qualify as people I would like a presidential candidate to have associated themselves with. Ayers is the worse individual and any association with him is unacceptable. If he had ever repented his actions, it would not be so bad, but he is openly proud of them.
I would have accepted Obama having listened to Wright and considering his hateful ideas, before rejecting them. But, for over twenty years, Obama gave no indication of any disagreement, and many indications of agreeing (donating money and bringing his daughters there, regularly by his account.) He only distanced himself from Wright when he became a huge political liability.
And there you go. Because of them, I will not even consider voting for Obama this election cycle - maybe forever.
I don’t see Obama as being connected with Ayers beyond taking advantage of Ayers as a sort of local neutered radical with a network of friends who could help raise money. I do think that Hillary has been evasive when asked about knowledge of her husband’s pardon of Ayers, and I think a lot of Dems make their peace with these old radicals at one time or another.
Ayers claims that his quotes were “deliberately distorted” by that NYT reporter and that he wasn’t speaking of bombings, but of not doing enough in his general effort to stop the Vietnam war.
As for being unrepentant, for what it’s worth, here’s his response to those distortions:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/clarifying-the-facts-a-letter-to-the-new-york-times-9-15-2001/
He is also quoted as saying, at a book reading: (referring to the general mood of the time)
” … In those three years there was something like 20,000 arsons and bombings against U.S. government targets in this country. Something like 20,000, and as far as I know one person was killed and, you know, that is unforgivable. There’s no way to defend it, because he was an innocent person and he did nothing, so you’re absolutely right but every day that that war went on, well, what was the right action to take? What did you do to stop it”
I guess I think that Ayers has become a benign representative of a strain of thought that has found more palatable spokespeople in the Chomsky/Zinn mold. I’m guessing they may not be palatable to you.
It’s not shocking to me that Ayers would find some kinship in Obama’s platform, which calls into question the idea of “Might makes right” foreign policy, and, at least nominally, looks to address root causes of foreign policy concerns via diplomacy first (not last). Add to it the idea that a lapel pin does not a patriot make, and that it’s possible to believe that the government of our country has, at times, made (gasp) mistakes.
All of that has appeal for me because it’s about correcting past mistakes and deepening the conversation.
I guess I don’t hold Wright against Obama either, partly for the same reason. I have admired many good activist preachers who stopped a few inches short of where Wright ended up going– insofar as they were most apt to criticize the government when it went to war and when it ignored the poor. Now Wright gets caught up a lot. But I think Obama found inspiration in his passion, less in the specifics of his conspiracy theories. I don’t know. I have done a lot of taking and leaving in Church.
Now, McCain has his own associations to answer for, to be sure. The Neocons formulating his foreign policy. Hagee, Parsley, and the ultraconservatives helping chart his course for judicial nominations. I’m guessing you’ve checked all of that out and find it’s less bad for you than Obama’s affiliations.
Nice chatting, Ulahane.
Chris Dowd has a piece out today saying the good thing is that we’re not going to make the decision based on electability.
He’s right about one thing. It doesn’t appear that we’re going to ignore the obvious.
See Larry’s article here about the caucus state math. It shows just how this business of delegate math has gotten us to the point where everyone is agreed (except a few Obama folks, of course) that the Democrats are putting forth the weakest candidate.
It’s obvious by now who really is the stronger candidate. Check the head-to-head polls. She’s even now beating him in those polls in NC! (That should give you pause about your own thinking.)
They didn’t Turn Michigan Down. The BLOCKED michigan using Obama’s two goons on the State Senate. They blocked the revote bill from ever being voted on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3szT6Cv20&eurl=http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com/search?q=tupac
OT: Fox ticker this am say BO is looking for a VP???
WTF?? and he does not have the nomination??
igit!!
Boy I hope there’s a strong shoulder leaning against the door of his skeleton closet….
I love that Hillary supporters are actively wishing for Obama to have skeletons and actively working to destroy his chances in the general election.
Hillary had a chance to win the election fair and square. She has had the chance to win on the merits. It just hasn’t happened. I don’t care if she stays in the race. That’s fine. What does disturb me is her supporters’ willingness to become de facto (or overt) campaigners for McCain, who is sort of like the opposite of Hillary.
It’s so tragically self-absorbed.
While some of you are genuinely supporting Hillary working within the process to do what she can to try and win, others argue the process should be subverted, and still others want to see Obama, who is, I believe, a good Democrat, destroyed. I don’t doubt that much of this last type of outrage is perpetrated by McCain trolls in hopes of beating up both potential Dem candidates so badly that he wins the GE in a walk.
The sad part is when Hillary supporters of goodwill fall hook, line, and sinker for the Pinkertons. In the end, I guess, we’ll all get the President we deserve.
Goddamn!!! Some of you people are effin’ THICK!!
From the comments here, it looks like it’s gonna be John McCain in the White House. A man that couldn’t win it if it were handed to him.
Well, you’re about to do just that with your stubborn devotion to a DLC hack.
Finally, someone who gets it.
The exit polls have given the same message for months.
He won’t carry at least 30% of the registered Democrats. He better hope all those new voters he got registered remember to vote. I’ve not seen any analysis yet on this, but I’m convinced that all that has happened is that you have traded young and AA voters not likely to vote in the future predictably with a core of traditional voters who even were the worker bees for the party. I believe the actual number will be right back to where it was before we started.
Except you’ll have to now wait for this new party to grow up.
Meanwhile, McCain has been given a gift of millions of votes he probably hasn’t earned and shouldn’t.
That’s what happens when the Democratic Party rigs elections and ignores voters. You have to own this one.
The rule was a bad rule from its conception. The significance of how bad the rule was is only apparent because of how close the democratic primary race is. The test of any good rule or law is how it operates over a diverse range of circumstances. The United States Constitution–that is a really good law–it has adjusted over a wide and diverse set of circumstances for over two hundred years.
So, I believe paganpower’s defense of the hillary agreed argument misses the mark. Unless hillary was saying this is a bad rule,however, i will abided by it hill is just as gulity as obama for Ignoring the paramount issue–VOTER INTENT/THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Sullivan, matthews, oblerman all miss this point because the will of the people in fl and mi want Hillary. That is why the obamabots never address the revote issue when they cry obama didnot campaign or his name wass not on the ballot.
We should stop this tit for tat point counterpoint argument with THEM. The rule is a bad rule because it disenfranchises voters not because it is infair to one or the other candidate because frankly i don’t give a damn about being fair to one particular candidate; i care about votrs counting PERIOD!
There is no ending “E” in Kool-Aid
Oh, and comparing Republicans to Huffington? That’s bunk also.
“Be the Veep”!!
Are these people kidding?
Why would Hillary want to be the VEEP to a loser who can’t win without her support base? With the TRUTH that she has more of the popular vote than he has, I wouldn’t be caught standing next to him much less be his bridesmaid. Why on earth would the superior woman hold up the mediocre man and help him win, so that later she could do all the work for his lazy ass and he could take the credit besides??? Hillary will only need to wait till 2012 after this loser is a memory. He’s in Florida right now and the only reason he isn’t getting pelted with oranges is people might be arrested.
He cheated his way this far with his busloads of bullying thugs threatening old people at caucuses and manipulating delegate counts, hookwinking Florida and Michigan to buy some time while he STILL can’t close the deal on his own. (”Oh June, Please God, get me to June–Love, Barry”). Let this chicago thug and his surrogates try to bamboozle and Race Card their way through the November election after the swiftboats get done with him and his miserable “off-limits ha ha ha” wife– and see how well THAT works out for him.
Barky Obama doesn’t deserve an ounce of help from Hillary OR her supporters.
Let’s count your stereotypes and prejudices, Uppity Woman:
1.Obama is a “lazy ass”
2.Obama is a “chicago thug”
3.Obama is a “bamboozler”
Oh goodie. The Race Card. We haven’t see that here in, what, 20 minutes.
If I thought you had any value, I would post all the sexist, misogynist remarks and posts I have collected.
Take your Race Card and shove. it. up. your. ass.
Oh and he also Hookwinked Florida and Michigan. Another word, I might add, that Barky himself introduced to this campaign all by his own little self.
It’s not a stereotype when it’s true of an individual.
1. He is the chair of the NATO subcommittee and still hasn’t held a single hearing, despite continually bemoaning the shortage of NATO troops in Afghanistan. He was the only editor of the Harvard Law Review to never write an article. He never argued a case in his legal career. Hmmm? Is that energetic?
2. His connections with Rezco make this a fair argument not a stereotype. You can argue against this, but it ridiculous to call it prejudice.
3. Hoodwinking and Bamboozling are mocking Barry’s frequently using Malcolm X’s favorite terms when speaking to Black South Carolina audiences but never when speaking to mostly White audiences.
Why is it that Obama supporters always run and hide behind false accusations of racism whenever they can’t answer an attack?
From the Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Office:
Dear ThePointls:
Stereotypes? To what Do you have a group in mind?
What are you thinking about here? What are you implying?
Be careful ThePointls because your comment is precisely one that has a racist subtext.
The fact that you don’t realize it sugggests you are trying too hard to cover your own feelings and prejudices.
Watch out before pointing the finger at how you say things in public; it could cost you your job in the future.
She won’t…if she doesn’t get the nod she is still winwin in the senate…
Poised to be the new Lioness…Teddy is sick…the rest will be voted out and the centrists will take over….She is lookin good any way you cut it just like Barry is headed for Political Oblivion an way you cut it….and Johnny boy will get his 4 yrs. in the WH….if Obami is his opponent
…and then in 2012, the left wing radicals will be marginalized again, having held up our ability to elect Democratic presidents–such that we have only had two in thirty years. And only one of them served two terms, because he was a moderate.
Adults don’t let children and radicals pick presidents. Bitter Hicks, seniors and women especially don’t like when they try.
Of course, Barky doesn’t need those people to win. Or Latinos, who are thrilled that he wants to French kiss Castro’s brother. Brilliant, Barky, just Brilliant. And of course there are gays and lesbians. Barky doesn’t need them either. Or Garlic Noses. Or Jews…or…..
This is awesome stuff–HILLARY FOUGHT LIKE HELL TO MAKE SURE THAT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN GOT ZERO DELEGATES. But once she tricked Obama and Edwards to get off the ballot, hey, she’s all for democracy. You go, girl! Read it, and celebrate her cleverness: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/22/0226/35614/632/520082
And none of this, “oh, it’s only DailyKos” stuff–they link to the original reporting and documents. Unlike Larry with his “whitey” tape and his “400 bloggers for Obama.”
As usual Kos tells half-truths. Yes Ickes and others caved in and voted that way, but it was Brazille who was pushing hardest for the disenfranchisement.
Evidence that Ickes caved to the will of Brazile? Evidence, please.
Hillary’s campaign team, bad as they are, thought the rules change was peachy and, they were so good, it wouldn’t hurt them a lick– read the <a href=”http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/”slate article if you don’t like kos.
Ehemmm…..pointis….IF THE DNC SUICIDALLY GIVES THE NOMINATION TO OBAMA HE WILL LOSE IN A LANDSLIDE AND HEAD INTO THE MISTS OF HUMILIATING POLITICAL OBLIVION…AND MAYBE JAIL….
MEANWHILE CLINTON IS POISED TO BE THE NEW LIONESS FOR THE PARTY AS TEEDY IS SICK…KERRY IS A FOOL… PELOSI AND THE REST OF THE IODIOTS ARE SUMMARILY VOTED OUT OF OFFICE….SHE IS WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT…CHEW ON THAT WITH YOUR PILLOW….HEHEHE…
That’s how I’m seeing it, too. I believe that there is going to be a lot more dirt on Obama coming out. If it comes out before August, she’s positioned. If not, she’s still going to be positioned in the Democratic party.
They can steal the nomination. But they can’t ignore her obvious strength in the party.
It’s too obvious.
slate article is here.
Not only is that a bald-faced lie, but you want us to click on Marxist Daily Kos??? Really?
lmao
yea Hillary “tricked them”
roflmao
your two DUPES were soooooo stoopey that a GIRL tricked them!!!
BOY they really sound READY to be PRESIDENT DON’T THEY????
Either ONE of those BOYS!!
LMAO!
what a load of wet diaper poop
that’s all the KOS kids are!
calling all toasters:
Any reference to the rotten orange is an automatic disqualifier.
Think on your own and play again.
How dare you slander Andrew Sullivan and the new Andrew Sullivan Wing of the Democrat Party. He and His People had the incredible judgment to support Bush over Gore in 2000. Now he and his herd of “Independents” have decided that they are the only ones smart enough to choose the candidate of the party that they joined a dozen months ago. Just shut up and follow their lead, because they are aghast over Bill Clinton’s evil penile trickery. (And no, this is not the part where you reference Sullivan’s perverse history of cruising for bareback HIV+ sex online and denying it when he was caught.)
The Independents and Swing Voters have chosen Obama. Now just shut up and accept it. And with any luck some of them will still support Obama in November… unless they swing the other way… which they totally won’t do… but maybe they will… no they won’t… but… no.
HAHAHAHA. Love it!
chuckle….funny that
Sullivan is a misogynistic pig. Ugh, truly deplorable.
And, a not very smart one I should add.
Besides, his argumentation skills are painfully mediocre and the logic supporting them is lacking … (they make me cringe).
Seems like a lightweight hack to me, sent out to do the dirty work.
I always feel sorry for those folks. Oily. Richardson is the same.
But that’s the only role they can play, really.
Sullivan is merely a product of vastly inferior secnod rate public schooling in England….That is why he is here….Could’nt cut it in English Press…not even the tabs…
I think AS is a Republican posing as a Democrat.
NOT COUNTING VOTES IS A REPUBLICAN THING”
Geti it.
Maybe Barry will send the Mayor of Gary Indiana to count the votes. That should fix it.
OT http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/genera_evelyn_p_080522_final_chapter___curt.htm
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However, judging from the indictments in Board Games unsealed so far, Obama’s legal culpability at this point anyways, stems from his involvement in setting up and receiving money from the pay-to-play schemes.
Evelyn Pringle
off topic a bit
Does anyone know if Laura Ingram has endorsed HILLARY cuz she SURE sounds like it here!
It would be nice to have some REAL support over there.
I respectfully submit that you identified the wrong person as idiot.
Putting aside personality and integrity or lack thereof of the candidates, I want to address one point of your post.
The rules committee which had twelve Clinton members(Obama eight) voted to penalize Michigan and Florida. The vote was 27-1 and the “no” was not a Clinton staffer. Clinton made a public statement supporting the decision. Now months later this legal ruling no longer suits her needs. Tough shit. Anyone who has competed in anything, whether it is an election or a sporting event knows the “conditions of contest” are sacrosanct once the games begin.
Clintons tantrums and bad sportsmanship is hardly advancing her cause. Unless she wants to pick a floor fight with the intention of destroying the party? Is that where this is going?
you are such a fool
she didn’t break the rules the DNC did
the punishment was to take 50percent and they chose to take them all!!!
THATs when Hillary complained and the REST of US WONT STOP EITHER
you far left loonies are as NUTS and as much liars as your neo con fundie counterparts
turn off the MSNBC lie juice!
As per her staffers and direct quote from HRCs lips they endorsed FULL sanction. Not from MSNBC, but from the queen mother herself.
[...] Clinton supporters: Shrill, petulant and bitter on day one. [...]
This ping from someone who discusses the importance of American Idol’s winner.
Obama Supporters…ready willing and able to send us all to hell on a hope and a prayer.
Hillary Clinton & supporters — BETTER [than Obammy] on day one. Obammy OBammy how I love yo how I love yo my dear Obammy–I would give the world to see– yo defeat–in the fall my dear Obammy –Al Jolson was one of a kind. So is Obama, the nearest thing to Obama is that other turd blossom.
According to Sullivan Obama removed his name from the ticket in Michigan in order to “play by the rules”. If Obama thought removing his name from the Michigan ticket would prove he was playing by the rules, then WHY did Obama leave his name ON the ticket in Florida who violated whatever rules Michigan violated? Obama has stated himself that he “Removed my name from the ballot in Michigan because I played by the rules”. So obama would not cheat in Michigan but he would cheat in Florida? Or does Obama have a double standard, one for Michigan but another for Florida? No, in fact, a known fact, is both Obama and Edwards removed their names from the Michigan ballots in order to try and embarrass Hillary Rodham Clinton. However Obama thought he might win Florida so he did not remove his name from the Florida ballot so he would be playing by the same rules that also govern Michigan. No , Obama left his name on the florida ballot in case he should win there. Now Obama does not want either florida or Michigan votes to count because he lost both states. Furthermore if Obama is the nominee for the democratic party he will be losing the entire United States in the general election to the republicans. He has already lost me
. But Hillary Clinton has not and will not, if she is the nominee.
Don’t know about Andrew Sullivan, but this is the first time I’ve ever read anything by you — and you’re the one who seems unhinged, out of control, and unconcerned with (at least some of) the facts.
troll.
Dan,
So, do you support Andrew Sullivan actively seeking unprotected sex, despite his HIV+ status?
It would seem that the one who ‘unhinged, out of control, unconcerned with facts’ is Sullivan.
And you are admittedly ‘unconcerned with facts’ before passing judgment, since you don’t know about the subject at hand.
Obama removed his name from the michigan ballot because he was polling at 20% aka BAD.
So was Edwards at around 14% so he pulled his name too.
And so was Richardson (i think he was polling around 5%) so he pulled his name too.
These three did it together (documented that they colluded on this) to deny clinton the appearance of a big win with 54% over the next candidate at ~20%.
They also did this to curry favor with Iowa.
Once they removed their names from the ballot they ACTIVELY campaigned though emails, and surrogates and phone banks and local party loyalists door to door to their supporters in Michigan to go vote and select uncommited so they could stack all their votes against Hillary and give the impression that there was a unified vote against hillary of 40%.
They new they had the iowa caucus stacked already at this point.
The intention was to deny Clinton the Big win early that would cement her inevitablity and hopefully derail her run.
Any idiot who talks about the michigan ballot and forgets to state the facts about how it went down needs to pull their head out of their partisan ass.
Seriously, just because you support a lying scumbag pay for play typical politician wwho will sell you all kinds of faux hope before he bends you over and finishes you off with the dirty sanchez of the century, doesn’t mean you have to act like one too.
You’re not running for office.
Even all the schools are now saturated with Ayer’s text books. Is it any wonder why Obama gets so many young EDUCATED COLLEGE STUDENTS voting for him? they have been informed alright by the friends of Obama and the radicals and anti-Americans such as the Socialists, the Communists, and the Middle Eastern Islamics. Obama is like a swinging door, he will go any direction he is pushed to in order to garner votes in his grab for power.
‘The rules committee which had twelve Clinton members(Obama eight) voted to penalize Michigan and Florida. The vote was 27-1 and the “no” was not a Clinton staffer. Clinton made a public statement supporting the decision. Now months later this legal ruling no longer suits her needs. Tough shit. Anyone who has competed in anything, whether it is an election or a sporting event knows the “conditions of contest” are sacrosanct once the games begin.’
Um, not really. The DNC rules actually provide for an appeal of any decision such as the ones made regarding MI and FL. You know, like in America, where you can appeal your conviction and then be found ‘not guilty’. Works the same way.
One of the more laughably hysterical points of Obama supporters is this whiny, ‘but she wants to change the ruuuuuules’ shtick. No, she doesn’t. She wants to appeal the decisions made, as the rules provide for.
Now, there’s no argument that Clinton did agree to abide by the decision at the time. Yes, she has acted yet again like a –gasp!– politician. Of course, she has never denied that fact, and acts accordingly.
Whereas Obama took his name off of the MI ballot for purely political reasons, got the short -term benefit in Iowa, particularly, and now maintains that he shouldn’t have to reap the results of his political game-playing should the appeal process reinstate the MI delegation in whole or in part.
I understand that, because Obama is –gasp!– a politician, willing and eager to change his stand when it’s politically expedient.
You know, like insulting working-class voters when addressing well-off elites to earn their sniggers and get their money, and then trying to weasel out of the repercussions with lame excuses later. Or joining a church for political reasons, attending for 20 years, and then saying you never knew your pastor’s (and mentor’s) opinions. Or saying you’re going to expand the party’s base and be a unifier, only to consistently belittle half of the existing base and then send your surrogates out to say those people and the states they live in don’t matter. Or….
Cripes, my fingers are getting tired.
Our little antiAmerican Taliban Trolls are out in full force showing us exactly how much they are worried to death and freaking out.
According to their piss poor logic of “no participation” [which was stated in the context of campaigning only, which is why private fundraising WAS still allowed) why did my state of Michigan, and Florida, even hold a Democratic primary at all in 2008?
By their fucked up reasoning our primaries should have been cancelled all together. They can’t explain that pesky little fact. They can’t show us any Rule that negated the Votes of the People tallied up much less that 2 states of the Union were tossed out of America. The Rules only covered delegates. Legal, valid, certified results primaries were held. Count the Votes NOW.
Our newest leftwinger Taliban won’t wake up until 4 years from now when they discover that Obama has used every Constitutional loophole that BushCo opened up for him, to totally exploit. No matter how much they scream that it’s not fair that another couple dozen states are now not allowed to have their own votes counted which happens to include their own personal vote & state will it dawn on them how they were completely hoodwinked by such a dangerous person with a not so secret agenda.
Oh but wait, why make it a couple dozen states, why not just make it the rest of the 48 states altogether for him and his terrorist friends to retain absolute power OVER America and not allow any votes or elections to remove him whatsoever. We’ll see how that works for you.
By their fucked up reasoning, obama should have been the nominee in february, and the november election should be cancelled and we should move up inauguration day from jan 20 to may 20.
I think they might want to repeal presidential term limits and make the position “for life” too if you let them.
This just in:
The DNC is issuing a new version of the Bible called the
“The New Testaments: The Kingmaker Dean Version.”
There are only two minor corrctions being made:
1. All references to Jesus Christ will be replaced with Barrack Obama.
2. The Messaih does not enfact get crucified but gives a speech to Pontious Pilot who swears fealty, takes him to Rome installs him as the new emperor and starts a new golden age in biblical history where daily the messiah walks among the masses and hands out fish wine and i-pods and legalizes crack cocaine.
Andy is just upset because he knows Obama is a closet bisexual and he’s having wet dreams about him.
If you don’t believe me Google homosexual Obama yourself. Bambi had a long affair with one of the preachers.
OH Gosh, Andrew Sullivan, the whimpering crying Bush supporting Republican that latched on to the next puppet preaching claimer of Uniting, Obama. Oh yes, gives me so much reason to want to support them. (snark-in case i needed that)
Is Andrew Sullivan a Sociopathathic Hack? Or a Socialist Party Political Hack? I believe the latter explains his anti American Constitution ideology quite well. Stataes have no rights. Voter’s votes do not really count. ETC.ETC.ETC.
These gay journalists that love either Bush or Obama, I can’t understand. THe both of them could care less about gays and gay rights. Oh, I guess you can package them with those women who slice and dice their sister Hillary. Apparently, they are all cut off the same tree. Low Class!!
we need to know what type of counter-tops he has!!!!
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Of course Larry should look up from his pile of jajo and the Columbians for whom he lobbies, and realize what damage he, a registered Republican, is causing.
We can easily find out for whom Larry consults.
“blaspheme?” I thought it was Obama supporters who thought their candidate was a god. Lots of good ol’ gay-bashing and racism here. I still like Hillary and have a good deal of respect for her, though the scum on this blog, Taylor Marsh and hillaryis44 make it increasingly difficult.
In answer to your question, yes, Andrew Sullivan is a hack but this does not change the fact that, unless the United States is going to annex about 10 more states in the near future, Hillary Clinton has no chance of winning. Move on with your lives.
Check the latest news. *hehe
Wanna orange?
Great entry! Next how about covering the lunacy of ex-Republican John Cole, whose hate-filled rants about “TEH CLINTONZ” just about beat all.
Aside from FL/MI, it was pointed out that SC, NH, and Iowa jumped too. Someone from Big Pink said there was another, NV.
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And listen to the conference call. You will find great solace and strength after listening! I guarantee!
You guys are totally right. There has been a vast conspiracy to deny Hillary Clinton the nomination, as she was never the establishment candidate, and never had a huge lead in super-delegates, and never signed a pledge that her name wouldnt be on the michigan ballot, and didnt lose 12 primaries in a row in february. No, this is all part of a secret plan to destroy Hillary.
I’ve often thought that Sullivan has a “thing” for Obama, that’s why he’s so over the top for him. But knowing that he is a former Republican makes a lot of sense. I’m getting tired of all the “former” Republicans (Arianna Huffington, Josh Marshall, Markos Moulitsas) ranting and raving against the Clintons. It’s now all so clear!
Mr. Sullivan has often been accused of being “excitable” but he’s never been guilty of such a childish rant as your post. The quality and tone of his writing, even when he’s wrong, is in another league than this drivel. Can I suggest that as a start you try referring to the tens of millions of people who have voted for our party’s likely nominee as something other than schoolyard names?
“Fact-deprived,” at best.