Obama Math [updated]
By Larry Johnson on May 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
Some in the Main Stream Media ain’t math challenged, they’re just using a different standard. It is OBAMA MATH. I kept hearing yesterday that Kentucky and Oregon were the same size states. Imagine my surprise to learn that there were only 441,489 Democratic voters in Oregon while Kentucky had 668,916 (UPDATE–Upon closer inspection, Washington Post is only reporting 52% of the precincts). With traditional math, a bitter white person clinging to guns and god would conclude that Kentucky was actually bigger than Oregon. But not if you use OBAMA MATH.
Here is how it works. Counting both Oregon and Kentucky Obama won 465,980 votes yesterday. Hillary, by contrast, won 459,145 in Kentucky alone. When you total all of the votes for Hillary, she won 58% of the votes while Obama snared 42% of the ballots.
And how did the Washington Post describe this? OBAMA TAKES DELEGATE MAJORITY: MARK REACH WITH BIG VICTORY IN OREGON. And Obama gave his “victory” speech touting his triumph. That’s winning? I hope the Washington Redskins can use a scoring system like this in the Fall. If so, Super Bowl here we come.
Just to be clear. Barack gets creamed in the larger, more populated state, but the one that “counts” as far as the Post is concerned is Oregon. If Barack produces those same numbers come November I suspect folks actually in touch with reality will call it an ass whipping.
Over at CBS News, they are stuck with that old math. (What a bunch of out of touch, bitter white people!) They note:
Just a glance at who voted for Clinton in Kentucky and in what numbers: 72 percent of white voters; 70 percent of those with no college degree; 67 percent of those with incomes of $50,000 or less; 67 percent-plus of those voters over age 50; 240,000 more total votes. In a 35-point win, those margins are going to be large. In fact, Clinton won the majority of votes in nearly every single category measured by the exit polls. But it’s that coalition of women, whites, lower-educated, lower-income and older voters that have clung to Clinton even as the pundits declare her campaign over.
If we would just figure out a way to get rid of those damn middle aged, non-college educated, cash strapped white bitches, then we would appreciate the utopia Obama is offering.
Oh yes. Just in from Florida. Apparently the same group of undereducated, underfunded menopausal gals didn’t get the message. According to the latest Rasmussen poll, Hillary wallops McCain (47-41) but McCain clobbers Obama (50-40).
Taking tongue out of cheek, it certainly appears that the Democratic establishment entrenched in Washington are telling the folks who rallied around Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman that unless they vote for Barack their votes don’t count as much. Good to know.
LARRY MATH: Whoops. The numbers reported by the post represent only 52% of the vote in Oregon. So the media gets it right that both Oregon and Kentucky are about the same size. But the results remain the same. Hillary has substantially more votes than Barack. But why would Democrats care about “votes”? That’s crazy (isn’t it?)
“Meanwhile, the Rezko Jury Still Deliberates…And A New Bill to Curb Money in IL Politics is Already Under Attack”
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With all this going on, it makes one wonder how Obama would be voting if he were still in the Illinois Legislature. Would he take a strong stance for the bill? Would he “bring people together” and push for the watered down version? And, in the end, regardless of whatever bill was adopted, would he IGNORE the intent and work deals to his advantage???
Just asking…
Hillary Rodham Clinton now has 1776 delegate endorsements.
This number is also one of the most significant dates in the history of our country - the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Despite corporate-owned news pumping out negative propaganda by the hour. Despite all of our democratic blogs being hijacked and converted into Clinton hate mills. Despite Soros buying out the NYT, and super delegates by the dozen,More Americans voted for Clinton than any democratic candidate in our nations history.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, the next president of the United States of America.
Unlike Al Gore, she refuses to back down.
As it should be.
And where is he, by the way, Still hasn’t toughened up that backbone to come out and support the better candidate.
Actually Kerry is the worst imho when it comes to backing down. At least Gore put up a fight as long as he did. Kerry took our donations for a legal fight, and caved the next day. Hillary and Gore have a lot more in common.
That’s the spirit! The Spirit of ‘76!
In case you did not notice I’m in agreement.
I get so tired of Obama and his media. I am a poor woman and unlike Michelle Obama and BO I didn’t get to go to Ivy League college. I had to go to work. It makes me so mad when they talk about still paying off their college loans its kind of hard for me to take pitty on them when there have been times in my life that I faced the ultilities being threatened with shut off or even hunger. I am sorry I work hard everyday and to hear these two talk they have such a terrible life.
Helen from Pittsburgh
You represent Hillary supporters everywhere.
I represent Hillary supporters everywhere too — I am a 40 something woman with a Ph.D. and a cushy job with a family income of over 250K and I don’t drink Latte but I do like Arugula and Wine.
(My apologies to Helen and wish her the very best — I had to say what I said to the troll)
I eat brownies.
I think I like your life better.
LOL….
Money is not everything neither is education as we are noting in this election. What is up with those Oregonians, ha?
You do know that the Pacific Northwest is the indoor pot capital of the world. Perhaps when I retire I’ll move out there and set up a shop selling glow lamps and hydroponics supplies.
You say that as if hard work and paying your way in America were some how not important any more. You say that is if working people should be ashamed of working with clearly no idea of how anything gets done in America.
You clearly think you are better than the people who grow your food, get it to market, sell it to you, bag it, take it to your car, pick up your trash, recyle your garbage, teach your children, preach in your house of worship, clean your office builings, handle your cash at the bank, open your wine in a restaurant, pour your coffee at the cafe, write your newspapers, deliver your mail ….
Your entitlement attitude is lock step with your candidate. This is why out of touch you and out of touch him are dismal failures with more than 72 percent of Americans. You feel like we OWE you something. The rest of us are proud to contribute to America. That is why he will lose. Remember that. John McCain sat in a cell in Viet Nam and was tortured. His book uses a sentence about how much he learned to appreciate America …. you never hear that from Barack H. Obama … until he has to put his flag pin on or mail a pandering religious flyer to voters in Kentucky. He’s not even proud enough of his entitlement attitude to stick with it. He’s a phoney. Like you. You’re welcome to him. The rest of us will happily kick his skinny ass in November. To the curb. With his equally self entitled miserable bitter wife.
Buh-bye now.
Thanks Beebop
That was funny..Buh bye. I hope you don’t mind but I have to borrow that one!
Hillary 2008
I pray you are correct!
Hmmmm…….PRESENT ?…..
He’ll vote ‘no’, but then say he hit the wrong button by mistake.
Did that SIX times. There is no excuse for one, let alone six.
I think you give Obama too much credit. He would push a button without looking, and then change his vote (after tallies) to be with the majority or whoever “he was told to” vote him.
“er..um..uh…I voted “nay” (or yae) by mistake..uh”
or he would just vote “present.”
YOU’RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION BUT NOT YOUR MATH
Close your eyes and imagine if Florida and Michigan had voted on the DNC cue. Those decisive defeats for Barry would be the difference now.
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I found this over at Correntewire:
Teh Rulez. Mario Cuomo [PDF] explained on Face the Nation:
SCHIEFFER: …it would be wise to announce that? Let’s say that Senator Obama’s going to get
the nomination. It seems highly unlikely that he won’t at this point. Do you think he ought to
announce that now?
Gov. CUOMO: No.
SCHIEFFER: So that will be something people can talk about before the convention?
Gov. CUOMO: No, no.
SCHIEFFER: Or wait until then?
Gov. CUOMO: It’s premature now. It would be unfair to Hillary Clinton and unfair to the process. Look, the whole process has been butchered, let’s be honest. [Thanks Donna!] And you have to save this argument for another day. But the Democratic process has been very, very flawed. In its design, it’s supposed to go through to the end to a convention, and at the convention is the only place where the votes count. Most people don’t understand that all the counts that have already been— all the contests that have already been held did not produce votes. They produced pledges, which probably would be lived up to at the convention.
Will Obama get national security clearance?
http://www.usasurvival.org/ck05.10.08.html
Then there are his associations with William Ayers and other unsavory characters.
Not to mention Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan.
And Yassar Arafat.
And Carlos the Jackal.
And fugitives from Bader-Meinhoff.
The list just keeps growing.
And Auchi. And Rezko. And Hammas endorsement–
man that should send off red flags shooting into the outer planets. If they do a background search start at Hammas and backtrack. And start at Auchi and go forward– and see if those two don’t connect.
Hey, Republicans, do you really care about America?
Why don’t you do something to rid us of this menace right now?
Your messing about with important information doesn’t make you look good. People aren’t going to like it if it looks like you withheld important information for political gain. People are getting rather sick of that trick.
Pony up, Repubs.
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Bush can arrest them, and then Hillary and Bill can pardon them.
In return for some cash, of course. There will be no free rides in HER Whitehouse - all pardons will be bought AND paid for.
I wonder if the unibomber is apartment shopping yet.
OPERATION CHAOS
Operation chaos? - another dumb nutter here people. Kentucky was a closed democratic only primary - there was no operation chaos going on there in her 35 point win.
Get a grip and improve your life.
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I am so sick to death of this crap. I turned on CNN, Potus 08, Air America, and Washington Journal in rapid succession this morning, and all I get is endless snark at Hillary and an unquestioning acceptance of the idea that Obama has it wrapped up.
Scott Walterman on Potus was especially egregious, interrupting a snarky anti-Hillary guest bitching about Hillary’s popular vote argument to say “It doesnt matter anyway, we dont elect Presidents by popular vote..”
It doesn’t matter anyway? Well, here are two clues for you, Mr. Walterman. First, we aren’t picking a President, we are picking a NOMINEE. Don’t tell me that popular vote isnt supposed to count when we all heard the Popular Vote being put on a pedestal by the Obamabots back in February. Second, know how else we dont elect Presidents? WITH CAUCUSES!!! Funny how this fact seems to have slipped your alleged mind..
When will these idiots figure it out? The public doesnt want the race to be over. Last night, Hillary gained another 140,000 votes in the popular vote, further cementing her LEAD (because yes, people VOTED in Michigan and Florida. Don’t want to count those votes? Doesnt change the fact that they VOTED.)
Oh and PS- if I hear “Its not fair to count Michigan because Obama wasnt on the ballot” one more time, I’m going to have to hurt someone. NOBODY PREVENTED OBAMA FROM PUTTING HIS NAME ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN. And in Florida, Everyone played by the same rules. There is NO reason not to include those delegates.
Obama is not even close to a majority of pledged delegates. To say he is is not being a journalist, its being a propagandist.
yup….and they are spreading misinformation. It’s irresponsible.
But it doesn’t matter. The SDs know what’s what. And it’s clear that Hillary will hold the line on FL and MI.
She wins in head-to-head in Fl. by 6 points today. Obama loses by 3 points to McCain.
He either coughs up a great deal here, or he’s toast there.
and a poll shows her winning the GE in NC
As long as you watch or listen to these programs you will always be annoyed. They are pro obmabi propaganda stations. Stop watching and listening to them. It’s the only way to hurt them, drop the ratings.
Since when has the MSM had such a good record with the truth anyways?
It’s been a really, REALLY long time.
Oh, go ahead and hurt someone anyway. You know you want to.
How was FOX? They were fantastic to Hillary last night.
I’ll watch them again later, and see how it goes.
LOL, I know, I know - I’m watching fox too - you have to if you support Hillary - they are the only news media giving her a fair shake. I used to love msnbc but not anymore, and Brian Williams, what a complete sexist pig.
Fox has always been the only news outlet that tells the TRUTH. Where have youb een.
His name was originally on the ballot in Michigan. He asked to have it removed as a way of scoring points in Iowa caucus goers.
yep. always working the system, rather than doing anything that is ethical. Obama is
for Obama. He is not for anything else.
The most ridiculous thing about his argument “we don’t pick presidents on popular vote” is that we pick them on the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, which Obama doesn’t have a chance in hell of capturing. Hillary trounces him in the electoral college match-up, as does McCain. Hillary can beat them both.
If I were that guy, I wouldn’t remind people that we don’t use the popular vote to pick the prez. It’ll just spark them to look at how Obama would stack up in November — and it ain’t pretty!
plus if i might add..i can not find where Texas certified it’s election or at least the caucus part of the election..does anyone have an answer to why Texas has not counted more than 41% of its caucus’s?? and how could they possibly designate delegates when only 41% of the caucus’s was counted…anyone know the answer????? i have been trying to get an answer to this for almost 2 months now..the last count was i believe March 10th..and only 41 % of caucus’s were reported to count..
look at CNN and MSNBC election boards..you will see it for Texas..
also the Texas election board has almost noghing on it..why????????????
i have only gotten one answer and it was that it is done at the state convention mid June..but that is b.s. the state certifies..not the party..
was the Texas caucus certified???? anyone????????
fly
fly
As someone who is from Texas I’ll tell you why. The primary was a state run election. It has been certified. The caucus was run by the democratic party. The state had nothing to do with it. The whole caucus mess was a complete sham. It was horrendous. In my precinct we didn’t even have a captain. All we had was Obama supporters in charge. We didn’t have enough sign in sheets and the whole thing was one giant, stupid clusterfuck. Now, in most parts of Texas Hillary won the primary in a landslide. How did he win the caucuses? Because the fucking democratic party rationed the sign in sheets AND they were the ones who counted the votes.
Yes, I call it Obamamath. CBS article suggests that his premature victory speech yesterday will signal to the SDs that they would be going against the will of the people?
*cough*….
That’s rich. She will have the popular vote. He will have the delegates. It comes down to the SD’s “judgment.” Right now that appears to be race-driven more than electability.
But the SDs will get to own this, one way or another.
Obama said in his speech he saw no great divide, even as the exit polls were rolling in showing a devastating percentage of Hillary supporters saying they would not vote for him if he’s the nominee. What’s worse? His supporters are not nearly so opposed to her being the candidate in exit poll after exit poll.
Now he’s managed to engender the “woman problem.”
Bad enough he had those bubbas he had to write off. Now, women taking out ads in the NYT? That’s a bit more than just a handful of angry bloggers. That’s a bit hard to ignore.
I just checked the head-to-head polls. Guess who would win Nevada in the Fall. MCCAIN BY 8 POINTS.
Obama’s claim to winning Nevada always annoyed me to no end. He was so incredibly petty about that one, and then still runs around with his “won more states” nonsense, including Nevada in that group along with the Americans Abroad, for God’s sakes.
Does he actually think people are this stupid?
I appreciate Hillary so much. She doesn’t condescend.
I just don’t know where these so-called journalist learned there ‘double speak’ so well.
Reality and MSM reality are total opposites. I suppose they will keep repeating it over and over until we finally get it.
Funny thing is is that the American people have finally got it. WE understand now. The Tim Russerts and Brian Williams’ have always driven the narrative - the 2000 and 2004 election results -but not this time. Your little plan is falling apart so transparently that Obama’s sheep clothing has worn off.
We know what’s at stake here. Nothing less than an American way of life; liberty, justice and freedom.
The MSM main players should be put on notice, there will be investigations into their complicit betrayal of the Constitution and the American people.
With Hillary’s courage and tenancity, its either Madame President, or President McCain. Hillary’s Party will see to that.
BTW, Hillary asks we contact the DNC and demand justice for Florida and Michigan. This is the battle at hand: forcing the DNC to do what justice demands. With enough outrage from us they will be forced to do the right thing.
I have signed this petition and had my kids sign it I am trying to get as many people as possible to sign the petition.
Helen from Pittsburgh
Helen you can also call the DNC and tell them you are withholding donations until they do the just and righteous thing and fully seat FL and MI according to the results of the legal election that took place. They will tell you some bullshit about rules being broken and you tell them the voters did not break any rules and you won’t listen to any of that.
202-863-8000
I hope she is legally prepared, and has a strong counter strategy to hit the ground running.
It’s my best guess they’re looking at the disqualification of FL and MI as a knock out punch, no matter WHAT the protests.
If they were intent on doing the right thing, they would have, they didn’t, it’s just a game, to them, but I wouldn’t let up.
What they think they know, and what they know are two different things.
I’m optimistic. The DNC knows throwing the election to an emasculated Obama is political suicide. The fix is far from in.
I’m sorry, but I’m not that optimistic. He’s countered all of the members who will withhold funds from the DNC by making his donor lists available for a fund raiser for the DNC and we all know where that money is comming from. They are calling it a fund-raiser, I call it bribery and corruption, and Dean, Pelosi, Brazille and the rest of that group of scum have put America up for sale.
It’s about time that Americans start focusing on them and make a concerted effort to get rid of them from the Dem. party
Sadly, you’re right deelee. COnsidering the nearly million dollars Obama’s PAC has donated to Superdelegates, and the news that Sen. Byrd got 88k from moveon, etc. It’s all about the $$$$$
It’s always about the money.
alot of people don’t realize that the superdelegates are being “bought”
this system must be stopped ..by all of us..and people need to know that the supers are being bought..and it is in the millions and millions..and millions..not just one million…
I just got a report that the Young Democrats who have a super vote in y state were offered 1 million in just one county in my state by one of the candidates ..and they turned it down..of course the donator was a very rich man..and he denies it..but this is going on folks..votes are being bought..
and who has the most money???????????
all americans and all dems should know what is really going on!!
fly
And just concede FL to McCain?
You could be right. We’ll see.
understand this as well..republicans can not win by the math without Florida..can’t happen..and it seems Dean and Brazile are so busy covering their own asses that they are going to let McCain just take Florida..
this i will assure you..the Cubans will not vote for Obama..not going to happen and neither will our seniors.i don’t care what the dnc or John King tell you..it is all bullshit..
Obama is in my area today ..in Tampa ..they bussed a bunch of the audience in from all over the state..and they have had the local news running stories for 2 weeks almost now about him coming here..and they have been giving out the phone numbers to get the free tickets for two weeks now..and they still had to bus in a bunch of the audience..so when you see 22,000 there..i say bullshit..i don’t know any dems who went today..and i was an elected dem delegate here..its crap..it is manufactured crap..
Obama can not win here and he won’t..that i assure you!
and I am in the anchor county of the I-4 corridor..that John King on CNN keeps talking about..
Obama will not win here folks..won’t happen..this county voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. Obama only got the AA vote.
fly
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What we are missing is that we are only counting 50 states and Guam. The new Obama math also counts the new 7 states (”57 states”) where only he ran. Of course we first have to find where exactly those states are.
Gaza? Kenya? Land’O Kos? Never-Never Land? Starbucks? Bizzaro World? And don’t forget… Illinois counts TWICE this year.
Brilliant!!
I think he confuses states with relish, ketchup and condiment varieties.
“What did you say? Yellow mustard is not a state?”
That would go over well at a national security meeting.
If it were not so dangerous, this guy could provide more comic relief than GW Bush ever did. How did these people get through college?
If he would release his records, we’d know … at least Bush admitted to being a “C” student … Barry has to continue to appear to be superior so that his elitist audience doesn’t desert him … we’ve read Michelle’s “thesis” so we know she’s not too smart.
Colleges and universities have denigrated into either cash-strapped entities or profit centres.
So, they’re job is to churn people out like an assembly line or “educted” dumbases like Bush and Obama.
Maybe he meant he’d “relish” a debate with our enemies …. yeah, that’s probably it …
There are 57 Islamic States; must be what he is counting.
it was a fraudian slip..Islam has 57 states..
Obama said he’s going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.
I don’t know…..the fucker was counting backwards in his head. He is just really, really, really dumb.
Axelrove said on Fox last night that Democratic voters will come around for Obambi. He cited the tear in the republican party in 2000 between Mccain and Bush supporters. He said the Republicans came around to nominate Bush, so will the Dems. I hope people do not back down and support this terrorist loving freak. This man and his dubious partners should be nowhere near the whitehouse. John Mccain is a much better american and choice.
He’s drinking his own Koolaide.
He needs to pull his head out of his ass and read what is out here. Of course, the last thing he can do is be honest … that would really show what the hell is going on. Circle jerk for all, eh?
well I dont care what Axlerove says I will never vote for Obama and I will not even vote Democrat period if they continue to back BO. I am planning to vote for McCain and for the Obama supporters who terriorized me in the Spring will have a new sign It will say I am not drinking the Obama KoolAid and if you knock on my door or touch my sign I will hit you in the head with a baseball bat. They were so obnoxious they pissed off the black Obama supporters in my neighboorhood because they unlike their middle class peers like and respect Senator Clinton and actually they didnt like the campaign taking down the signs and they would even put them back up. It seems the rich black people could learn a few lessons from the poor black people.
Helen from PA
John upthread is threatening to “hurt someone”, you’re threatening to hit people in the head with a baseball bat…
You all sound - dare I say it - kind of bitter.
It’s a race war. Nothing more and nothing less.
As soon as you wake up to that fact you’ll be voting for McCain too.
PS: you might need a little more than a baseball bat.
Joe lives out there in Marin County where all of the AA’s are doctors and lawyers … his friends of color are not going to riot … he’s not interested in America.
I have a pinata with your name on it, Joe.
Fat chance in hell that will ever occur.
i called the DC dnc today and told them Hell would have to freeze over and the devil would have to pass out ice cubes..for me to vote Obama..i said no way no how..and i told the gal that i was a 2004 elected dem delegate for my state..and i have never voted anything but democrat in 38 years..but i would vote McCain over Obama! hands down.
fly
There is one thing that is absolutely certain about the Democratci primaries: unless one of the two candidates drops out or is indicted, the nomination WILL be decided by the SDs at the convention. No amount of victory celebration by Obama can change that.
Yep. Nail on head.
Would you like me to ruin the suspense for you?
You haven’t yet.
It helps to know, first.
Still think you’re in control?
How…sweet.
Oh, yes! In control.
And it’s very sweet.
as it stands obama only needs 63 delegates to clinch the nomination. when mi and fl are seated, he would only need 50 superdelegates to endorse him. you have to be realistic. barring a miracle, obama will win
You using Obamamath? 2026? or the number after he’s forced to deal with FL and MI?
2210.
It’s crazy to have to play this chess game with the numbers, but that’s actually his own doing. He’s the one who has ignored all other methods of looking at electability. He gave that argument to her. Big mistake.
Now, it’s clear to the entire country that he’s the weaker candidate.
That’s all they are talking about on my TV and radio stations in CA. It’s as though “we all know this is true.”
That’s devastating for his campaign.
When you get down to it, it doesn’t matter which one of the two clown is more electable. John McCain is going to win. And you’re going to help if you know what’s good for you.
I believe in miracles!!!!!!!
And will lose the general election in a landslide. So much for it being a democratic year.
His only strategy has been to win the nominatio