Democrats Who Reject Obama
By Gene Lyons on May 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Electability, Hillary Clinton
Reprinted with the express permission of Gene Lyons | A syndicated columnist, Gene Lyons is also co-author (with Joe Conason) of The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton
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If Hillary Clinton had no other reason to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination, it would be to demonstrate that Tim Russert, Keith Olbermann, Maureen Dowd, David Broder and the Beltway media gasbags don’t decide American elections.
Last week, Sen. Barack Obama, the supposedly inevitable Democratic nominee, lost the West Virginia primary by 41 points. Democrats haven’t taken the presidency without winning the Mountain State since 1916. To use a geographically appropriate metaphor, if there has ever been a canary in coal mine primary, that was it. Naturally, the media consensus saw a meaningless result in a race they’d already called for Obama. Evidently, bitter West Virginia rednecks don’t watch cable-TV.
In 2000, the same pundit chorus urged Al Gore to quit in Florida for the sake of the country (and the Republican party). Everybody knows how that worked out. Today, Gore’s a Nobel laureate. George W. Bush, like Obama a uniter, not a divider, became the most unpopular, ineffective president in U.S. history. Ever heard any media princelings explain how they went so comprehensively wrong? Me neither.
If nominated, Obama can’t possibly defeat Sen. John McCain without bringing Clinton voters to him. Recently, however, I’ve been hearing from many passionate Democrats who say they can’t and won’t vote for him in November. So I asked a few to explain why.
Mine is no scientific survey. Ranging from 26 to 86, my correspondents live in seven states, north, south and midwest. They don’t know each other personally. None participates in politics except on a local, volunteer basis. I chose them because they’re unusually articulate.
Most think Obama a sure loser in the McGovern, Dukakis tradition. They believe he’s totally unqualified. “I‘ve voted for every Democrat from President to dog-catcher since 1952. That will end with Obama,” insists H., in Maine. “He won’t get 150 electoral votes, more than he deserves. The Democratic party’s been teetering on the edge of extinction. Obama’s arrogance will kill it…
“Just four years out of the state senate. If he were white or female, his candidacy would be a joke. Imagine if he’d opted to run for vice-president with Hillary. McCain would lose, Democrats would come close to 60 Senate seats and pick up 35 in the House. The Democratic left’s need to swoon after eight years of a moron, coupled with unbridled Clinton-hatred, will produce a disaster for the party and country.”
It’s the Obama campaign’s cynical use of race beginning in South Carolina that’s the deal-breaker for others. “He is making his way to Denver by dividing our party over race, which is maybe the most idiotic campaign tactic ever,” writes C. in Kansas. “This time the witch hunt is coming from our side. It’s heartbreaking. Obama supporters want you to think Bill and Hillary Clinton are lifelong members of the KKK. The audacity of hope campaign has had to audacity to go there…This fall, they’ll try to make nice and talk unity, but the people they alienated in the most hateful way won’t be there. They deserve to lose for being so callous and childish.”
J. in Florida agrees. “Obama and his supporters’ use of the ‘race card’ against the Clintons (with the help of the in-the-tank media) is sickening. Now we have vile, racist, crazed-for-power Hillary. Obama means to avoid the ‘divisiveness’ of the Clinton years by blaming it on them. That’s a despicable lie, and he knows it. The only way of avoiding divisiveness is to cave to the Republican agenda, which I believe he’s more than eager to do.”
“He and his supporters,“ J adds, “have systematically sacrificed the central constituency of the Democratic Party–the poor and working class–on the altar of constituencies who look to politics for reaffirmation of their identity: college students and childish Sixties neolibs. (The African-American constituency makes sense, so no gripes there.)”
By abandoning the principle of universality in health insurance, most think Obama has guaranteed that meaningful reform cannot be achieved. Z in Georgia adds that Obama’s vagueness on economic issues foretells disaster. “He has no perceptible position on the economy other than: ‘We can do better. Yes we can. Say it with me.’ I foresee broken campaign promises followed by belt-tightening austerity measures in a one-term Presidency. In short, Jimmy Carter in a better-tailored sweater.”
“I view the Obama candidacy as a narcissistic endeavor by a mediocre politician dividing Democrats along social vs. economic progressive lines,” J insists. “He’s forcing a choice between winning in 2008 and possibly saving Roe vs. Wade and promoting gay marriage versus abandoning the poor and working class.”
“I’ve decided I won’t help Obama and his personality cult transform the Democratic party into an organization that represents only the interests of rich social liberals.”
What do I think? I suspect most will grudgingly return by November, but that non-African-American working class voters won’t.
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O/T but extremely relevant.
Please read Anglachel’s superb essay at
anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/05/legitimacy-not-unity.html
This should be required reading for every voter.
FL and MI were Obama’s first test of leadership in a Democracy and he failed miserably. For that reason alone he must not get any votes. I will not vote for him and will do everything in my power to stop him from getting elected.
Tried to do a real link for anglachel but getting caught in the spam filter, I guess. Pl. cut and paste and read. It is very good and not really off topic either. This Democrat completely rejects Obama.
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BAD FINGER DEMOCRATS
Obama/Obama ‘08
(Messiahs don’t do running mates)
ROFL!
LOL ditto.
Still I am partial to
Obama/Chomsky 08
You’ve got to nail down that critical Arugula loving/Hate America vote.
50 state defeat!!!
That is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Thanks for the laugh!!!!
ROFL! That’s hilarious, “bowling Gomer’s IQ.”
Can you imagine if he picks Gov. Kathleen Sebelius? Vice President “Sweetie”?
Of course the bite would be even worse if Vice President “Sweetie” were applied to any of the men he’s considering. Maybe Bill “Sweetie” Richardson?
The votes in Fl & MI happened without anyone knowing who Obama is. They knew Hillary. How can you call that a test of leadership in a democracy?
It was a contest of name recognition.
Come by and check out the latest Quinnipiac polls on 3 swing states. Not good news for someone, real good news for the other.
The NYT says people in FL who reject Obama
are either misinformed, or racist.
Typical. I get that everywhere … ‘you must be a racist if you don’t like obama’. (*roll eyes*)
Obama’s bought and paid for media outlet. Such articles are hurting him rather than helping him. He and the media’s constant race baiting is getting old and people are going to rebel against it.
Um… I’m one of those Florida voters who, like many others, is rejecting Obama after extensive and thoughtful research. Race, is absolutely NOT one of the factors that has gone into my decision to do all that I can, to see that this man does not make it into the White House. Unless perhaps, Hillary invites him over for a visit.
you mean the NYT that was the paper of record that took us to war for fake wmd????? That NYT???????
You mean the NYT that ran bullshit articles by Judith Miller who knew she was lying us into war..that NYT?????????
You mean the NYT that held back the story Bush secrets that he waslistening in on all our conversations and reading all of our emails illegally..until after the 2004 election..that NYT?????????
i really don’t give a fuck ..what the NYT says..
i was a 2004 elected delegate for the state of Florida ..and hell will freeze over ..and the devil will have to pass out ice cubes..before i would even think of voting for Obama..
Oh and NY Times…I am married to a double minority and my children are double minorities..so save your fucking racist bullshit NYTimes!..oh and NYTIMES..i have read everhting there is about Obama..I am not mis informed..oh and NY TIMES..i was a volunteer for Edwards and went to Iowa and SC and i was a co-captain for a caucus..i watched the cheating by Obama team with my own eyes …mis-informed? no NYTimes..it is you that is either mis-informed or totally a propaganda paper and that is illegal..so which is it NYTimes???????????
fly
fly,
Don’t hold back…. Tell us how you really feel.
Truthfully, thanks for your magnificent post. You just explained the whole Obama problem in a nutshell!
The exit polls showing that race mattered to some white voters and that most of them voted for Clinton is NOT proof of racism. It is Obama who has made his race a negative by associating with Rev Wright and a church with ties to the Nation of Islam. Many of us would have no problem voting for a qualified AA candidate but not for one who is tied to black groups that are racist.
If you liked this Gene Lyons article, you will love his books. I think they should be required reading for every Democrat, particularly “The Hunting of the President.” That book is a detailed description of the incredible lengths to which Republicans went to defeat Bill Clintons. A lot of it is not well known since our media was part of the problem and did not bother informing the public of what was going on. Obama has no clue what he is facing, but Hillary is well aware of what Republicans are capable of. Both she and Bill know how to beat their attack machine - although she is having problems beating our biased “mainstream” media. Check out today’s post at dailyhowler.com for a good example.
There’s a documentary, also. Worth a watch.
Don’t be coy, now, let’s tell it like it is:
May 22, 2008 - McCain Leads Obama In Two Of Three Key Swing States, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Clinton Has Big Leads In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania — FLORIDA: Clinton 48 - McCain 41; McCain 45 - Obama 41; OHIO: Clinton 48 - McCain 41; McCain 44 - Obama 40: PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton 50 - McCain 37; Obama 46 - McCain 40
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Plagued by a defection of Clinton supporters and white working class voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the leading Democratic presidential contender, trails Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican candidate, in Florida and Ohio, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today. Sen. Obama is six points ahead in Pennsylvania. New York Sen. Clinton wins handily in all three states. No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University polls show:
Florida: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain leads Obama 45 - 41 percent;
Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain tops Obama 44 - 40 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 50 - 37 percent; Obama leads McCain 46 - 40 percent.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=quinnipiac
this disabled Euro-mutt, over 50, divorced female veteran & mother
will NEVER vote for BHO
I am writing her in whether her name is there or not!!! I will not waver.
Bingo!!! And there are far more of us than one would guess. In my heart, I simply have to believe that the DNC idiots will wake up before August but they’ve done it many times before and I do believe it will be the end of the Democratic party… taken apart by this ephemeral piece of nothing… very sad but worse things have happened to this country.
Biggest problem I see with O is that he could pull off some of the horrible anti-Constitutional set-ups the Bush guys have put in place and when any of us (this should be a good trick for Keith O) complain, we will be racist. The divisiveness in this country is worse than I can ever remember it and that includes the ’60’s. Carry on MO and BO.
So, put me in the “write in” category. I just hopetogod that she considers a new third party.
To paraphrase Robert Palmer from “Bad Case of Loving You.(Doctor, Doctor}”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSjmw_7uIE
I need you
to sooth, obama, to play my headTurn my blue
heartstate to redA write in will help Obama not hurt him.
agree. i think he’s counting on us either writing in hillary or voting nader or staying home. he figures he can live without our votes, because mccain won’t have huge numbers either.
the one thing obambi can’t overcome is if we vote for mccain. that raises the number of votes obambi must get. and he has nowhere to get them. this is why i’ll vote mccain, after voting straight dem since 1972.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Yes and Hillary is far from out.
Big psych war push to pretend Hillary doesn’t exist this week from Obama.
I think Hillary and we have a thing or two to say about that!
Got a “survey” yesterday from the DNC masquerading as a fund raising attempt. Included a letter from HRC. I filled out the form as I want them to understand that her supporters are not as WHACKED and ill informed as his. Comments, I let them have it. Also, I wrote on her letter and sent it back as well. Said that I admired her to death but wouldn’t give them one damn dime to stab her in the back … do you think I was clear enough?
Love it!
I will not be coming around to vote for Obarfbag no matter how they try to lure me back. By fear roevwade which will not be overturned. The republicans need it to drive a wedge between voters of the parties. I will vote Mccain.
To all who will write in Hillary’s name. Please be carefull with this step, as in some states if you write in her name your vote will go by default to the democratic candidate. I suggest you research Ralph Nader and John Mccain as possible choices. I will be voting Mccain as a protest to Obarfbag. I have never voted Republican in my voting lifetime but will happily do so in November. Mccain is a moderate republican.
And remember McCain was Kerry first pick for VP so he can’t be objectionable to the party.
Agreed. Let McCain have it this time around. Then Hillary can run again ‘12. If BO is creamed in Nov, he won’t be relevant in ‘12.
‘ I suspect most will grudgingly return by November’
Um, I don’t.
I won’t, and the Clinton supporters I know won’t, either.
No. Voting McCain. And registered my 93 year old mother for an extra vote here in the swing state of Ohio ….
I don’t think so either. Something is getting started here. Women are angry and we’re not going to take it anymore. I feel the next phase of women’s rights movement coming.
Also, it is not so simple as “I want my candidate or I’m protesting by the voting the other party”. There are hundreds of reasons to never vote for Obama and he gives us more every day.
I’m voting McCain if Obama is the nominee. Anyone who wants to can say women will change our minds. My take? Hell will freeze over before we’ll vote for Barack Hussein Obama.
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Send a pair of shoes to the DNC TODAY deadline May 26th 2008.
Request that the DNC donate the shoes to women’s shelters & recycle packaging.
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Thanks! I have a pair of old smelly sneakers that I think I will send to them with a message that these sneakers may smell but are nothing close to the stink of the DNC leadership in 2008.
No just phony charges of racism have been SOP for the obama campaign.
Does anybody remember the “Clinton gave an interview to Rush” lie? When that was disproved did anybody that had a hand in spreading that canard apologize?
No, but Rush’s topic de jour is how Hillary is standing up for the people today in her fight for the vote.
(Hillary’s right. Rush has a crush on her.)
Gee Ann you forgot to hand out the barf bags! But that is funny!
I’m printing this one out to share with any fellow Democrat actually interested in why so many in the base are rejecting Obama. The tactic of blaming the base for seeing problems with Obama and the way he has run his campaign in backasswards in my opinion. The focus belongs on the party elite and the same special interest media that brought us GWB and appears set on bringing us GWB II. The problem is not the rank and file of the Democratic Party. The bad apples are at the top.
so true.
isn’t it odd that the democratic party blames the voters for not doing what it wants? funny, i always thought the democratic party was supposed to like voters.
guess i was wrong.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Obama has already lost. The political machinations, the callous use of disenfranchisement and divisiveness to achieve his ends will guarantee that even if elected, he cannot govern effectively. There have been people throughout history who rationalized their actions in pursuit of power by thinking that they would do wonderful things in expiation if they gained that power. But it virtually never happens; they are never believed, trusted or able to unite, and their past and their essential nature (which never went away) always catches up with them. See: Nixon, R; Bush, G; and many others.
Obama has deliberately split the Democratic Party, in essence threatened it base of working-class voters with marginalization and irrelevancy if they do not buy into this messianic narrative. His goal, purely for political gain, is to purge the Clintons from the Party and disparage their achievements. The coalition that he puts together might win in this incredibly anti-Republican year (just like Carter’s held up one time), but it will never last. And when it fails, the extreme right-wing, which never liked McCain anyway, will be back with someone perhaps more awful than our current President. By that time, with the Democratic base so marginalized and disaffected, the end result will be worse than if Obama had simply lost in the first place. But it won’t be worse for Obama, who doesn’t care about anything more than his own power and self-aggrandizement. Does anyone really think that he actually cares about the lives of ordinary people? That he is a caring, compassionate man? He’s just someone with a fairly effective speaking cadence who is allowing himself to be used by various forces who either hate the Clintons, hate America, hate Israel, or just see governing along the lines of voting on “American Idol.” He’ll take it, thank you; but we will end up suffering for it.
Isn’t it ironic that the uniter got his start by dividing the party? I don’t see his basic tactics changing with the presidency either. He’ll do to the nation what he’s done to the party.
No, his goal is to change America for its inhabitants from a relatively free republic to a Marxist nation, Nation of Islam, or communist nation or some combination thereof. Make no mistake about that.
Remember all the groups that Donna Brazile so aptly described as irrelavent [and urged them to STAY HOME in the general election] to the NEW coaltion and the Democratic Party: old people, Latinos, blue collar working class, women,the undereducated [which she/they must correlate to being stupid], and oh, did I mention WOMEN?
After the general election, let it be long remembered that the media, pundits, commentators and undeclared politicians helped destroy at least the Democratic Party, if not our nation!
God help America and Americans!
“will be back with someone perhaps more awful than our current President” and that someone is named jeb.
Obama apparently decided quite some time ago that he will be happy to go down in history as the first African American to ever win a Major Party Nomination. He must realize that he can’t win the Presidency now.
So congratulations Barack, if the DNC gets its way you will soon be on a list along with Horace Greeley, James Cox, Alf Landon, Adlai Stevenson, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis- Guys Who Lost and Lost Big.
Can anyone tell me if a major party has ever gone out of it’s way to reject a candidate who can win for one who obviously cannot? Because that’s what the Democrats are apparently about to do.
He’s in Florida right now trying to dodge an orange pelting.
Don’t let them kid you. Oranges HURT when they hit you!!
I’ve dodged a few (and been hit by a few) in my life growing up down there. Older brother/younger sister - oranges on the ground - it’s simple math! LOL
Oh I know they hurt. We had a home down there for decades. I sold it in 2002 after my mother died. Oranges hurt. They also taste great off the tree!
Oooh, what a great idea. People should start attending his rallys & boo him & protest him & the media. I wonder if the media would report it.
Yes, and it will incite people. It’s clear he’s willing to blame racism, and that may be the only true agenda in his entire book. To draw attention to racism.
Funny it wasn’t supposed to be about “race,” until he said it was, right?
I figured out early on to listen to him carefully and then realize he was about to go opposite.
That’s a fake play in basketball, which he loves.
When did he say it was about racism? Cite some examples of Obama saying something about him losing about racism.
I won’t vote for Obama in the Fall because of several key points.
1. I’m appalled by the elitist attitude towards working class Americans. I am not interested in this agenda. I believe that they will be kicked to the curb in real terms yet again. I believe that is stupid. I believe that we cannot be strong economically or otherwise without a solid middle class. I believe that they are essentially being told to either become managers and techies or go to the poverty class. That is very, very stupid thinking.
2. I’m appalled by the irresponsibility of the candidate himself in playing the race card. That is dangerous to incite people in our country. We walk a fine line. It’s one thing to activate people on behalf of rights. It’s quite another to activate hate, and that’s exactly what he did through his minions. That tells me that he’s dangerous and will, in fact, manipulate anger in people for his own ends. He does not actually care about people if he’s willing to do that.
3. I’m convinced that the party leaders want a president in their pocket. This primary isn’t about change at all. It is about staying the same. The problem is that we actually do need to see some real work and change out of Washington or it’s going to get worse.
4. I’m convinced that supporting a party which has been so obviously willing to stand by and allow the sexism to run unchecked, the obvious lies to run unchallenged, and the insane pressures for a highly viable candidate to quit from almost the beginning, proved that the agenda was more about fighting Clinton than about admiring Obama. I believe that is corrupt. When you ignore principles because of some egotistical agenda, you are, by definition, corrupt and should not earn my vote.
5. I believe that Obama is mostly just interested in personal power and glory. Ambition without true passion is useless. He, personally, is not worthy of support in my eyes.
6. I believe the Democratic Party has proven to be inept, highly unprofessional, and needs a thorough housecleaning. I intend to focus my own energies on supporting some downticket candidates who have a clue. I’m optimistic that a thorough loss in the Fall would send the right message that we demand better than what we are seeing. We’ll back good, solid candidates. But we will NOT be bamboozled.
That message will set the stage for an overdue and very needed revision of the party.
This business of backroom shenanigans and lying to the public should stop.
It would almost be worth it just to see Donna Brazile’s hissy fit on the day after the election after Barky gets McGoverned.
I think Keith’s or Jamal’s or Roland’s or Mica’s or Rachel’s might be just as good!
I want to watch their pudgy cheeks, furrowed brows and pursed lips ALL explode!
figuratively of course! doh!
can’t even use that word anymore either!
all these things we can no longer either talk about or enjoy due to GW (mostly)
I can’t enjoy the band BUSH, the band RUSH, now we have to tip toe on egg shells for the touchy race baiters
argh!
don’t forget russert and borger and olbermann and….. the list is so long.
and then i want to hear about (will never watch them again) nbc/msnbc and cnn explaining that all of the above have left their jobs to “pursue other opportunities”, always short for FIRED.
Dear Annin: Your great I wish you would send your all the undecided super delegates. You make better sense than I did but I did write each and every one of them just now. I love your take on things, I remember each of trying to post on Huffington Post and getting bombarded with such hate and disrepect. I’m sure you already know but here is the list again:
LemireDahlman@rangeweb.net
stephanie_schriock@tester.senate.gov
montanaflyfish@yahoo.com
joycebrayboy@gmail.com
judgebutterfield@aol.com
jcouncil@co.cumberland.nc.us
jmeek@ncdp.org
geri_gaginis@conrad.senate.gov
elizabeth_gore@dorgan.senate.gov christy_beach@dorgan.senate.gov
dhannaher@hannahers.com
maxsonlaw@minot.com
reneepf@btinet.net
strauss_david@msn.com
mwake@medicine.nodak.edu
achelpohl@usa.net
katfahey@cox.net
franklamere@msn.com
melanie_rogge@bennelson.senate.gov
dostergard@neb.rr.com
vimapo@aol.com
martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us
dnorcross@snjaflcio.org
danaredd999@yahoo.com
crs@ntuaft.com
fharris@unm.edu
teresa_benitez@hotmail.com
steven@stevenhorsford.com
kittyspraggins@aol.com
egoubeaux@woh.rr.com
m.mallory@att.net
lanamclin@aol.com
nsonnyn@aol.com
tekicatt@aol.com
rwhitten@whittenburragelaw.com
mzlivability@yahoo.com
jen@defazioforcongress.org
info@jasonaltmire.com
ccampbell215@msn.com
james_brown@casey.senate.gov sara_mabry@casey.senate.gov
chafinlawfirm@charter.net
pmurphy@murphy06.com
celita_a_de_r@hotmail.com
gcobbhun@BellSouth.net
waringsh@bellsouth.net
carol@fowlercommunications.com
jackbillion@sio.midco.net
drey_samuelson@johnson.senate.gov sonja_dean@johnson.senate.gov
mnemec@sullybuttes.net
stroschein@nrctv.com
rep.loisdeberry@legislature.state.tn.us
BrooksViceChair@aol.com
ydavis2455@aol.com
olga@pgog.net
al@aledwards.com
chris@chetedwards.com
denise_johnson@ibew.org
bjenellhamlett@mail.house.gov
moses.mercado@ogilvygr.com
senfronia.thompson@publicans.com
wholland@utdemocrats.org
crbenjamin1019@yahoo.com
jbevans@coatchworksfarm.com
icarleton@vtdemocrats.org
kevin_mcdonald@leahy.senate.gov
chuckr@gmavt.net
patnotter@gmail.com
cewaliser@hotmail.com
wisgov@gov.state.wi.us
mary_irvine@feingold.senate.gov will_sebern@feingold.senate.gov
steve@kagen4congress.com
ellisshir@sbcglobal.net
raejason@yahoo.com
lissa7453@yahoo.com
wineke10@charter.net
beth_provenzano@rockefeller.senate.gov kerry_ates@rockefeller.senate.gov
pjorgensen@jorgensenassociates.com
jmillin@cheyenneeyeclinic.com
constance@cborde.com
liv.gibbons@gmail.com
boleary1@bloomberg.net
All my best.
You can add me to that list also … Dakinikat@aol.com
I’m moderated now over there and not for anything vitriolic at all. I just dared to ask why Obama doesn’t seem to be able to answer questions of substance but he’s great reading off the teleprompter after the Des Moines Annointment party
don’t bother emailing Vince Powers.
He is in the tank for Obama. I sent out the letter to supers and he emailed me back and said “There would be more people voting for Obama than there would be sore loser and who dont care about the America and thats why Obama will be the next President.”
I thought for a moment that maybe DOnna brazile was in his office at the time so i responded and he emailed back again saying “Sore losers like you dont care about the future of america”
Let me know if you want to se the full exchange.
You are so sweet! And thanks for the list. I have a confession. I’m really new to this blog stuff, so I didn’t get the “fans” thingie at all. Someone said something one day, “You’re just jealous because she has so many fans.” That was the day I finally found this fan deal, and I was shocked.
Having said that, let me share that I was banned from Huffington Post. I swear I never violated the stated policy, but I was banned. I went back under a different name, got banned again promptly.
Third times a charm.
They do not wish to have posters that aren’t probably like a lot like the founder. Rigid thinkers…..not really lifelong Democrats….not used to the compromising that goes on when you’ve hung in with a party for over 30 years. They are newcomers. They want the logo power. They aren’t interested in our principles.
The logo power, however, comes from our give and take with one another. We’re ferocious on this matter.
That’s why the race is now where it is.
We’re appalled by this “takeover.” This is a takeover fight.
It’s way bigger than Hillary.
Just my 2 cents.
But thanks, and I LOVE the list. I will peruse it and try to get familiar with the handles.
I’m, as I said, not really all that sophisticated in either the political intricacies or the on-line world.
Heck, it too me months to find a pro-Hillary blogging site. LOL*
I was flummoxed for a long time.
(Because I am so clueless, I didn’t click on related sites.)
Boy, I feel like a whiz today. I’m so proud I know what Confluence is.
Lyons brings up an excellent point right away. Has anyone forgotten the staggering bad judgment of the media from the Gore/Bush days? I haven’t. How can those “gasbags” sit there so smugly when they so flat-out wrong about Gore. The media single-handedly gave us George Bush. The Supreme Court? Well yeah, they played a role. However, it was the media that put the election close enough to steal for the republicans. Al Gore was painted as a liar, a bore, unpopular, and a joke. Every tiny misspeak was treated as a insurmountable character flaw (Bosnia sinper story much?) George Bush? Painted as the fun guy, the popular guy, the sexy guy. His photos (like Obama’s today on AP) resembled religious icons with light beaming behind his head like a divine aura.
Time Magazine this week has a cover with the words: And the winner is…. And a full page photo of Obama. There is an asterisk next to the sentence, and the words: *We’re really sure this time.
The media may be madly in love with Obama or are they carrying the water for the republicans again? Destroying the best hope to beat McCain? So if they succeed in crowning Obama the nominee, against the will of at least half the Democrats, and he fails in a spectacular McGovern fashion, will people THEN stop listening to them??
The media will turn on him like Junk Yard dogs. They have been seasoning him for the Republicans. They want him good and basted so he doesn’t know what hit him. Remember, these are the same people who gave us George Bush. Twice.
Hansel!!! Gretal!!!! Don’t go in to that Gingerbread HOUSE
they will BASTE you and EAT you!!!
LOL!
Marinated and basted. What’s that Obama says, “all fired up and ready to go?” That’s the BBQ you fool, and you’re what’s for dinner.
Yttik: Thanks for that I sure needed a good laugh today. Go Hillary. We are with you all the way.
and the Iraq war.
It is a total rerun. The media plays it the same, and who do they work for? The Republican Party? I don’t think so. They work for General Electric and others of the MIC . They have s tremendous appetite - and need- for money. I don’t think they’re putting Obama up just to knock him down. He’s their guy, and they’ll handle the general election one way or another.
Who…Annie Oakley, I think you’re right: he will be much easier to control than McCain. He will owe political favors to every SOB out there, too. He’s a goldmine.
Well, I for one, will have no problem in helping with the shellacking Obama is going to get in Nov. if he’s the nominee. Q poll says that 25-35% of the party will jump ship if he’s the nominee. And frankly, I’d rather lose than have another Carter who set off 12 years of Republican rule. We can stumble through the next 4 with McCain or have decades of this crap after one unlikely term of Obama.
Has McKook REALLY promised to only run ONE term???? If he signed that in blood I might consider it
IF Hillary is not the nominee
you all are doing a good job of convincing me today
I’m getting really irritated with the assumption that we are all
gonna fall in line like good little democratic soldiers and vote
for Bambi if he is the nominee come November. For the final
time – I WON’T.
It’s not the rabid Democrats one should worry about — most will return. It’s the switchers, the so-called Reagan Democrats. Moderate Republicans, too, who are very unhappy about the Bush years.
I’m a strong Dem, but right now I’m 50-50 if Obama is the nominee. I figure that with a strong Democratic congressional majority, McCain will have to be careful. And McCain is not mentally unbalanced like W is. McCain may have a temper, but that is not a sign of craziness. And, having worked in DC for 30 years, I yelled at a few people too. Some bureaucrats are just awful — and it’s almost impossible to fire them.
If McKook picks a decent VP
I might consider voting for him if BO gets the nod ONLY if HILLARY doesn’t get the VP spot or run a 3rd party.
I’m for HILLARY first. IF McKook picks a far right winger to offset his “maverick on viagra” ways then I might (MIGHT) have to move to another country.
lol no but seriously
4 years ago, I was a Howard Dean democrat.
I never thought he would use his position for personal vendetta.
Hillary does “like and admire” John.
So I bet SHE has a temper too. I’m ok with that as well. I have a temper. (did I need to admit the obvious?)
(chuckle)
BO will Never be President.
Don’t worry people
I’m not worried
agree that the reagan democrats will switch. they came back for bill. they’ll leave now.
i, however, was a rabid democrat. and i’m leaving. i truly believe that there are millions like me. and if rabid dems depart in droves, that really says something.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BUY WHAT NBC IS SELLING? Don’t watch and think before you buy.
I unplugged cable–pay to hear the propaganda of Chris Matthews & the team that made Bu$h a contender against Gore?
Gore “lost” the debate with Bu$h because the expectations were set so low for him and Gore rolled his eyes at being on stage with such a moron! NO!
General Electric owns NBC and MSNBC is a joint venture with Microsoft.
http://www.clintonsupporterscounttoo.org/index.html
“A nationwide boycott of MSNBC advertisers will begin tomorrow including Toyota, Nationwide, Geico, Enterprise Car Rental, Lenscrafter, Hotels.com, and Johnson & Johnson.”
O/T, but I honestly don’t understand why everyone is so upset with Matthews. His show is titled, Hardball,” isn’t it?
His job is to be ridiculous and stir up people. Like political Entertainment Tonight stuff.
Why do you guys pay any attention to that hack? He’s the National Enquirer of politics on TV.
Incorrect, his job is to report the news in an unbiased manner. He’s a dangerous propagandist and people do listen to him.
Why do you think that? His show doesn’t pretend to be unbiased.
I’m confused. Sincerely.
He’s paid to stir you up. Whatever gave you the idea that he’s a “journalist”?
How about a boycott of General Electric products?
Not to mention AOL Time Warner.
CNN has been horrible, except for Dobbs. Anderson Cooper has panels of Republicans and Obama supporters, to run clinton into the ground.
Clinton supporters not allowed.
CNN is piss poor. I can’t even watch Blitzer.
Not Microsoft anymore. MSNBO is 80% owned by General Electric. The other 20% is Vivendi. There are many permutations including NBC Universal Television Group, NBC Universal and NBC Universal Entertainment. Somewhere there must be an NBC Universal Presidential Candidate division.
Brilliant Lyons, awe-inspiring comments! Heartfelt thanks to all of you who bring life to blogs.
There was no media “bad judgment” re. Gore in Florida. The hacks did exactly what they had done to Gore for two years before the election…slime and slander, starting with the odious Joe Klein in the New Yorker.
The Florida media debacle was preordained, as is the non stop Obama leghumping by the likes of NBC, CNN and assorted hacks and slime artistes like Sullivan.
That the Obama Hacky Sack Cult did not learn from the media lessons of the Clinton years, through Florida and on to the Iraq disaster constitutes the biggest failure of the American “left” in the past twenty years. This willful stupidity is the result of swelled heads, hubris, associated with superblogs, an arrogance exploited and played to perfection by the American political media.
Suckers, big time.
TAKE THE PLEDGE
how about this for citizen action independent of the democratic party.
the superdelegates are politicans. politicans cabn be moved by two things onlky:
-money
and
-fear
how about using the latter to do this.
across the country, in states or in large cites,
citizen organizatins called
‘TAKE THE PLEDGE”
ARE SET UP TO ALLOW CLINTON USPPORTERS TO “ELECTRONICALLLy SING A PETITON THAT SYAS:
IF SENATOR CLINTON IS NOT THE NOMINEE, THEN I WILL NOT VOTE for peresidnet IN THE 2008 GENERAL ELELCTEIIN.FOR
TAKE THE PLEDGE drive (continued):
the idea is that groups or organizations in each of the states, or in cities or counties throughout the nation
would conduct a drive to allow clinton supporters to either
- sign a “TAKE THE PLEDGE” petition
or
- send an “I’VE TAKEN THE PLEDGE” e-mail to that organization.
the exact wording of the pledge is not important, slightly different variations of this
“if senator obama is the democratic nominee, i either will not vote for president in the general election or i will write in senator clinton’s name.”
would be fine.
the political point of these petitions or e-mail drives would be to demonstrate
to the superdelegates in each state
that the democratic party faced the likelihood of large numbers of defections from the party if senator obama is nominated.
in the swing states, especially.
in a swing state, even a relatively small number of defections would be disastrous for senator obama. the superdelegates understand the math of this very well, far better than most of us “mere voters”.
these drives would continue up until the democratic convention in denver in august,
regardless of what senator clinton decides to do after june 3.
the target of this effort is the superdelegates.
setting up organizations like this across the nation should take relatively little money and would exploit the ready availability and ease of communication which the internet offers.
personally, i am tired of being treated like i was somekind of non-existant person by politicans who do what they damn well please with a party that i have supported all my life.
it’s not their party, it’s our party.
feel free to borrow these ideas or amplify them any way and anywhere you have a chance.
Check these polls for May 22, baby….spread the word….UNELECTABLE
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.xml
Tide turning.
Rejection of Obama is spreading as support for Clinton increases.
As of today, Clinton is beating McCain big-time in three key swing states. Even tone-deaf SDs have to start paying attention to that.
I don’t think Obama will get the nomination. I think Hillary Clinton will, and that in November she’ll beat the crap out of McCain.
Yes, I agree. Clinton will get the nomination.
There is enough intelligence in the dem party to see the writing on the wall and know not only who will win in November (Clinton), but who any sane person would want to win (Clinton).
I don’t agree with the person in the article who says that “he’s forcing a choice between winning in 2008 and possibly saving Rode v. Wade and promoting gay marriage versus abandonding the poor and middle classes.” Obama certainly is divisive.
But he is no champion of gay marriage. Nor do any of us think that he will protect Roe v. Wade.
So to mention this as a split in the party is
untrue (except to the point that anyone believes such things). Gay people and women who need to have abortions aren’t always of the rich class.
I don’t think Obama has any idea what he’s doing on any issue. He just talks and talks and gets caught in lie after lie. As for people who vote for him–
They are. She picked up 2 SD’s yesterday. Endorsements for a dead candidate? Unheard of.
my apologies-
my fingers got all tangled up on the keyboard and i accidentally posted the above commen before i had finished it.
i’ll continue below.
this comment fits between my two comments above. i am a lusy tpist.:)
“Democrats who reject Obama.”
If Hillary isn’t the nominee, I just hope she adds her name to the list.
Even with her as VP I’d not vote for him.
She’s too qualified to be his lacky.
i firmly believe that if hillary were his vp, obambi and michelle would go out of their way every day to humiliate hillary and bill. and they would continue to trash them, to prevent any political future for hillary, while making sure that they were publicly nice and others got the blame. that’s the kind of despicable people they are.
hillary might go along with a vp nomination if pressured by the party, because she’s a loyal dem. won’t matter to me. i’m not voting for any ticket that has obambi on top (and would have to struggle hard to vote for a ticket of hillary/obama).
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Gene,
I gotta tel you, along with Larry, I believe that HRC will be ‘the last man standing’ after Denver.
I am a Democrat and solidly behind McCain, but if Hillary can cause such night terrors for mopes like Howard Dean and the others in the DNC in Soros grip.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-mccain-will-define-this.html
Pat Hickey, that parade on 79th Street was deja vu all over again. My grandparents owned a house at 78th and Ellis, across the street from St. Francis de Paula. But no matter how many charming St. Patrick’s Day videos on your pro McCain website, I never voted for a Republican before in my life and I don’t think I can bring myself to do it now. (Obama gave a really nice St. Patrick’s Day speech in Scranton this year but I will not vote for him either.)
Everything the obama campaign has said and done, each and everyone of obama’s acquaintances, his ignoring of his congressional duties, his “mis-votes” in the Illinois Senate, all of it will be ammunition for the republicans come fall.
…not to mention his ‘present” votes on controversial issues, including at least one dealing with pedophiles.
It seems the “uniter” is only dividing us further. I would not vote for Obama for any reason. What suprises me is that anyone would! Obama seems to think that eventally we all will just give in and vote for him,… Yeah right!
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
That word was a buzzer that rang LOUD in my head and heart at the beginning of this year. It got my attention alright and the first thing I saw was the pendulum swinging WILDLY to the other side.
Not cool. Frankly, VERY scary. Carefully considering the last times I heard that word a lot I set out to find out more myself.
Needless to say, I do believe that word will forever be a loud jangling alarm bell for me.
I am a rabid democrat and I cannot see myself voting for BO.
What will really be a laugh riot is seeing all those college kids and rich, well-educated liberals working the phones for 8 hours each Saturday and weekday nights! I will drive by in my car and peak through the windows to see that! LOL! These aren’t the people who do the grunt work for the democratic party.
Liberal Demo./you sure have that right!!..don’t even coubt on those kids to miss out on the latest rave party or kegger to sit answering phones or dealing with tickets for rally’s late into the night when getting less than 10 hours notices to run a huge rally…just don’t count on that..and that is about all the time you get from the secret service ..to plan and execute a rally..
just let them sit at the computers for 24 hours a day contacting absentee voters and out it all together from county to county and state to state..
it will be a cluster fuck!!
heck we caught the young ones with beer in the frig stacked high ..in our headquarters many times and the grown ups .. had to clean it all out ..many times in the 2004 Kerry campaign..where i live…..and many of us grown ups had to do the work the young ones never completed…towards the end the Kerry camp had to send in a couple that fixes what the young ones screw up..
nothing new here..except..there will be a short order of the folks who usually clean up and do the dirty work for the dems..
screw them..i am sitting this one out!
and will do as you..i will drive by and laugh…oh and i will get the sleep i didn’t in 2004 cleaning up the young people’s messes!
fly
Flyarm…I am curious at some point if you would work with the McCain camp in any capacity, under any given circumstance?
Or anyone else that posts here for that matter.
Barky (woof) is NOT winning any friends by getting ahead of himself, More alienation less Beef.
Trolls need not apply
I’d work with the McCain camp, and I’d give them money, too. Anything to stop Obama from seeing the Presidency, I think he’s dangerous.
He gets that nomination, he gets his ass kicked. I don’t care what some Republicans did in 2000, we aren’t them! We’ll show them how to stick by their damned words and do what they say they’ll do. I won’t vote for OBAMA!
I am infuriated and insulted by comments that I will fall in line in November. As a Southerner and a Democrat, I have never fallen in line or I would not be voting Democrat in a wholly Republican district. Although I have been a Democrat for over 30 years, I have no problem voting Republican in November should and if improbably OB is nominated. I want to believe there are not that many stupid SD’s.
I will not vote for OB for the following reasons:
Don’t like his sexism, arrogance, and a race baiting
Don’t like his friends
Don’t like his church or his pastor
Don’t like his wife
Don’t trust him to answer the phone at 3:00 am
Can’t vote for a marketing façade with no substantial qualifications for the Presidency
I will vote for McCain because he is not as offensive in any criteria
A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary in 2012
agree. if obambi wins, he’ll get 8 years, because he’ll have the power and money to continue to game the system in his favor, plus he’ll ensure the destruction of any and all potentially viable opponents (just like he did in illinois and in his senate race).
if obambi loses, mccain will serve 4 years, then hillary can run again and we will all be on the job from the very beginning to ensure that the crap that happened this time never happens again.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
I’ve voted Democrat my entire life and if Obama is the nominee than I will give my vote elsewhere.
I’m so disgusted with the DNC that I’m not remotely worried about what happens to them.
u go sister
and do not let anyone tell you ;;;
well are not u worried about future of this country
tell them
FUCK YOU –WERE NOT YOU WORRIED ABOUT THIS COUNTRY BEFORE VOTING FOR HUSSIEN
WERE NOT YOU WORRIED ABOUT MISTREATMENT OF HILLARY
were not you worried about ur dtr,s future in this country
were not you worried about anything urself?????
DO NOT —DO NOT—DO NOT—LET ANYONE CHANGE OUR MINDS
WE WERE DONE WRONG BY –OBAMAS—DNC–MEDIA—
AND WE WILL FORGET AND WILL NOT FORGIVE
ahhh ..i am a latte drinking , college educated professional woman ..now retired …who will never ever vote for Obama..i feel he is a danger to our national security , and for that reason alone i will never and can never vote for him..so add me to the list of Dems who won’t vote for Obama..
My co-workers died because of one incompetent boob that the young people and media wanted to drink a beer with..was selected …instead of counting the votes from my state…all of the votes…
count my vote now!
count all votes..it should never have anything to do with the candidates or what they want..all elections should have to do only with what the voters want!
count all our votes and count them now!
the citizens and voters had nothing to do with moving primary dates or setting the rules for primary dates..
count our dang votes and count them now! all of them ..
or i will never vote for another dem ever!
fly
I think I will wait to see what Gen. Clark does…………… is anyone up on what WES is thinking about all of this? Party or Country Gen. Clark? What say you Sir?
I won’t vote for Oblahblah EVER. nor will my husband. I am suggesting to all my gun clinging relatives to consider voting for McCain. So far, I’m scoring 100%. It’s easy, begin a conversation about Oblahblah, and it becomes apparent. NO OBama….!
Hillary or McCain!
Please, any of you who choose not to vote for BO (me included), the only way to ensure that he won’t win is to vote for McCain. If we want to make a statement, let’s make certain that statement will be heard and we get the results we want.
I know actually pulling the lever for McCain may be tough for some, but in the end, a write-in for Hillary or just staying home and not voting at all, will only help Obama.
Just think of it as taking away 1 of BO votes as you pull the lever, Then it will be real easy.
I believe a portion of the traditional base will, indeed, vote for Obama. To answer the question about “drifting back,” the voters in Hillary’s camp who may vote for him, just based on my own gut, include:
Suburban women who went for Hillary. This was a pretty conflicted group. They liked the idea of voting for the AA guy. They are usually very civil rights oriented in theory, anyway. However, they liked the idea of voting for a woman, too. Hillary won them over in last-minute decisions. I think the ones who are deep-down mad are bigger in numbers now than imagined, even by the exit polls. That’s the “talk” among many of my r/l friends who are amazed at how their feminist feathers have been so ruffled that they are revisiting their commitments of their youth that they thought had long been settled.
Young Latinos. They may go for him. He’ll lose older Latinos. And they are actually the ones more likely to vote. Young Latinos will not be excited about the Fall election and will not show up in big numbers at all.
Gay voters may hold their noses. McCain is moderate, but not THAT moderate on their issues. Obama couldn’t win that group in the primary but at least he’s not deadly to them in terms of conservative court appointments.
Younger Jewish Dems. I think they’ll continue to hold Democrat. However, from about age 45 up, no. He’s lost them.
And that’s about it.
To even reach the level of traditional Dem vote for him, he’ll have to absolutely make sure he turns out the youth vote.
I don’t know if anyone noticed, but he did NOT get out his college vote as expected in Oregon.
They skipped the election. This is the crowd who undoubtedly showed up to the rally, but forgot to vote.
Do you have the numbers re the age demographics for the Obama
voters in OR?
Please share them or refer to a source.
Thanks.
CNN has it, but my reference to the college towns was an article, and I can’t recall which one.
Drat*
If I think of it, I’ll repost to you.
Would much appreciate that.
Thank you.
It says 16 percent of 18-29 in Oregon
But I can’t tell you if that is a HIGH or LOW number
The 16% figure represdents the proportion of the total
voter population. 16% of voters on the Dem side fell
into the 18-29 age group.
What %age of these folks went Obama vs Hillary?
And what was the absolute number of 18-29yo
who turned out vs the total number of this age group in OR?
Their dog probably chewed up that vote-by-mail ballot they left laying…hmmm, well, somewhere in the house (anybody seen my?) while they were enjoying the fun part of the primary at the rally.
LOL. And our state motto is “Mailing It In” but that was still too much trouble.
The problem for any Democrat is they cannot afford slippage in their base. The country is evenly divided and the party that holds onto its base wins. When the 527s and college republicans get a hold of Obama the luster will be gone, the so called enthusiasm of youth will dissipate and he will be looking for the base to prop up his candidacy. He has failed to build a winnable coalition and his advances to the base will be rejected by his attitude in the primary. If he gets the nomination his candidacy is dead man walking.
In addition to a lot of commentary on the blogs, reminders to us all at how manipulative the Obama folks have been, Evelyn Pringle’s series at OpEdNews “Curtain Time for Obama” is a remarkable piece of investigative journalism. She’s completed the series and should be applauded for what must have taken countless hours to assemble a withering indictment of Barack Obama’s involvement and ties to the Illinois Combine–the Tony Rezko and cast of characters mess.
The idea that this country would hand the keys to the White House to someone as unqualified as BO is bad enough. But his Chicago connections are horrifying. I’ve known all along that Obama was a manufactured “product.” But Pringle illustrates how he is truly a “made man.” It’s an eye opener and the corruption is not limited to the Democrats. Republicans have been part of the “board game scheme,” too.
Pay to play. Buy your ticket early and you too can be President of the United States.
We’re in deep, deep trouble!
She’s just never been able to get that story off the ground. I think it’s because it is simply too complex.
She’s dead right, but that is a case where over-reporting actually hurt her ability to get it marketed.
Too bad….I agree with you. She has done a fabulous job with that story, and it’s hard to fathom the hours it must have taken.
The complexity (these are really “professional” political dirtbags) of these pay-to-play political schemes in Illinois had been confounding earlier half-hearted attempts to drain the cesspool until a hard-working straight-arrow prosecutor got in through a confulence of circumstances. Former GOP Senator Peter Fitzgerald ran for the Senate on a platform that included finding a prosecutor to clean up the mess in Illinois politics (absolutely both parties). Peter Fitzgerald (no relation to the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald) had his own funds through Harris Bank, and he was a political outsider himself. Local proseutors were worse than worthless for local investigations, and U.S. Attorneys were either a part of the “Combine” themselves, or thoroughly controlled by the Combine. What was needed was an “outsider” with absolutely no connections to Illinois politics. With a Republican elected to the Whitehouse, the choice for U.S. Attorney was his to make as the Republican Senator from Illinois (the other Senator is Democrat, Richard Durbin). The effort to have Patrick Fitzgerald appointed U.S. Attorney in Northern Illinois created a political shitstorm in Illinois and in Washington, D.C., as everyone from Mayor Daley to Republican Congressman Dennis Hastert fought to convince George Bush to reject the selection of Patrick Fitzgerald. Bush appointed Patrick Fitzgerald, and Senator Peter Fitgerald had to withdraw from his next race because even his own party was working against him because he sent U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitgerald to fight the Combine. The result of the race to replace the withdrawing Illinois Republican Peter Fitzgerald resulted in the election of Obama (after he was able to destroy both his viable Democratic opposition and Republican opposition with a forced release of their embarassing divorce files). If Obama does win in November, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald will undoubtedly be replaced with another political insider, and the Combine games will go on.
guys/girls
everyday
i get more and more mad because of OBAMAS
AND because of MEDIA
AND because of DNC
THEY really fixed this election
i believe that more and more everyday
We all do. We’re also all a bit in shock now that we really get it.
We argued for a year, but I don’t think I really, really understood how profoundly right I was until recently.
*arrrggghhhh*
I hate it when I’m right sometimes.
FUDGING THE NUMBERS…Barack Obama may win the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, but he will have done so by gaming a system injudiciously created by the party, which apparently didn’t see the fallacies of its own rules. Call it a glitch in the system, Barack Obama’s nomination may be an undemocratic one, which needs to be addressed before he becomes the Democratic Party’s official nominee, not after.
This is because Barack Obama’s win will not represent the true votes of the Democratic Party.
While you have to admire the statistician who put Obama’s campaign strategy in place, it may well get Barack Obama the party’s nomination but it will leave the party with the weaker candidate.
Why?
Knowing that their candidate was unlikely to win in the big primary states – and, in fact, didn’t win the de facto states important to the Democratic Party’s winning the general election — the Obama campaign set its markers down on winning the caucus states – which he mostly did.
Equate the strategy to a poker game’s bluff a strategy that is nothing more than a raising of a weak hand in hopes of driving out players with stronger hands. The weaker hand may win because of the bluff, but in the end, the player still had the weaker hand. Call it maximizing a disadvantage.
Here’s the problem: winning in caucuses rather than in the nonbinding primaries means winning with fewer votes and votes that are infinitely less representative of the voters’ true will, which is documented more fairly in the process of the democratic primary.
A perfect example of the system’s glitch can be seen by reviewing what happened in the State of Nebraska. On May 13, Barack Obama won the nonbinding primary in that state by just 49 percent to 47 percent with a popular vote margin over Obama’s rival, Hillary Clinton, by a mere 2,665. Compare this to the striking contrast with his 68 percent to 32 percent, 13,681-vote margin in the February 9 Nebraska caucus. While 38,571 Nebraskans voted in the caucus, fully 93,757 voted in the primary.
Add to this that the Democrats’ systems of allocating primary delegates by proportional representation in congressional (or state Senate) districts as well as statewide gives the advantage to a candidate who can coalesce the vote among an identifiable bloc of voters that tends to be heavily concentrated in certain congressional districts, it’s easy to see that Obama’s win isn’t representative of all the voters’ will.
Barack Obama amassed disproportionate delegates to votes successfully in states like South Carolina, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio because he carried anywhere from 80 to 90 percent of the black vote winning by 7-to-2 or similar margins in black majority congressional districts compared to other districts with even numbers of delegates Clinton could win, but by no better than 2-to-2 or 3-to-3 splits.
Talk about the deck being stacked against you!
It’s n wonder that there has been so much anger by Hillary Clinton’s supporters. Many of her backers are furious over all of this and have threatened to vote for Republican John McCain, not vote, or write-in Hillary rather than cast their ballot for Obama if Hillary Clinton isn’t the party’s nominee.
This kind of threat is made every election cycle by one side or the other and the party doesn’t pay much attention because most voters come back to the party come the fall. You can bet this won’t be the case this undemocratic season.
Because this isn’t any election year. This is the year that the first black candidate is running against the first woman for the highest office in the land. There’s the DNC’s debacle over Florida and Michigan. There’s the party’s willingness to ignore what has been their strongest base, woman, and form a new coalition of blacks to win the general election while ignoring what are now being called Hillary Democrats, the white, blue-collar voters.
But all of this discounts the fact that besides these problems, the party may be electing a nominee who got the nomination by fudging the numbers, which is not the strongest way one ought to enter the general election against the formidable presumptive nominee of the Republican Party, John McCain. Obama will need the votes of all Democrats to win.
Since most of Obama’s wins were in states that don’t matter to the Democrats winning come the fall, there is no guarantee that Obama can amass enough Democratic voters to help him win in the general election.
On the other hand, Hillary Clinton won those all important states including, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, sorta a full house.
The Obama camp and the press are anxious for Hillary Clinton to get out of the race. To some, Clinton appears to be fishing, a player who is staying in a poker game longer than advisable fishing for the card or two that will make the hand a winner; she has every right to be.
She has a case that needs to be made, and her strength in making it is contingent upon her proving that despite his gaming the system, Barack Obama, at the end of the day, still didn’t win the needed delegates to secure the nomination without the help of the Superdelegates, and he might not win the popular vote (some say she is already ahead in that metric).
So far, Obama appears to be winning with his argument that he is winning in the delegate count.
But how he got there should not be ignored. And, of course, like any good game player, Hillary Clinton is waiting and hoping for the wild card still out there that may yet change the game.
From The CJ Political Report
BO is a disaster and national security risk. No way he gets my vote.
Though I doubt the DNC and D.C. elites really care we ‘little people’ to quote Leona Helmsley, have to say.
The elites want Obama no matter what and because of that desire, if they have to fix the nomination they will.
They’ve made that much clear.
The good news if you can it that, is it exposed the party elite/elders and progressives(really Maoists)for the power hungry pieces of shit they are.
Yep. And this answer is coming from somebody who paid attention in past elections to her heart, but admittedly never enough to the details.
You better believe I’ll be paying attention to the details from now on and I’ll bet many more will, too.
agree there, total pieces of shit. nothing less than a total housecleaning will do if the dnc is ever again to have any credibility. but i’m not holding my breath. i figure the dnc will continue along its path until the total destruction of the democratic party is complete. pigs!
obambi’s chickens will come home to roost - question is just whether it happens in august or november.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
The beauty of a Democracy is you can chose the nominee of a political Party, then you have a choice in a General Election as to who to vote for, who best represents the values of the person voting!
On one hand, you have McCain, a war hero and someone who has continually battled his own party and his opposition party for what he believes is good for the country! Right or wrong, you know he is country first and formost!
Then likely will be Obama, someone who:
lies about his origin,
takes on as a surrogate Grandfather a devout Communist, goes to College and seeks out Marxist professors and radical students in LA.
Goes to New York and spends his time at Social Marxist events at Cooper Union,
becomes a community organizer with the most Marxist of groups, the DCP,
then becomes long time associate with the likes of home grown terrorists Dohrn and Ayers since the mid 80’s,
joins a church with the most hatred of preachers at TUCC,
marries a woman who is as full of hatred as anyone walking the earth
uses every undermining tactic to eleiminate opponents from his first entry into politics to present day,
has a lousy record in politics of doing for the people,
allows surrogates to inject race cards continually into his campaign in an attempt to keep his hands clean,
cannot win elections when outspending opponents 4 to 1
attempts to control the rules and set rules to his favor
divided a Party for self gain
has offered nothing in a platform based upon “JUST WORDS”
This guy thinks he will be POTUS, maybe when hell freezes over!
It occurs to me that voting for McCain, a moderate Republican, might send a message to the Republican Party that they can successfully pull away from the crazy right-wing fringe. At the same time, a vote for McCain tells the Democratic Party that we will not alow it to be the party of race-baiting, sexism and elitsm.
zozosmom, excellent point about the message to the republican party. i had only been thinking about sending a f you message to the democratic party. but a mccain win over obambi could improve both parties - by helping to clear out the pigs who have hijacked our party and by getting the repubs more to the center.
this is why i read blogs - for smart thinkers like you.
Fellow Hillary bloggers:
Keep up the pressure on the rules committee. They won’t want to hand either candidate the nomination because they know the Democratic party is finished if they do. Keep reminding them of this.
The media is stupid as they are helping Hillary by calling for the votes in Florida not to count because Floridians are “racists.” The perception by the media of racism will never trump the right to vote. Last I heard people have the right to be “racists” anyway.
Meanwhile the perception versus reality team announced Obama is starting his VP selection committee today. I guess there’s a very short list of potential VPs. And what an arrogant prick. Reality is Obama just gave us more reason to be fighting mad and active against him.
I love this!
What happened to the “victory” celebration? I see Hillary is out there more vibrant and sure of herself than ever. And I see her supporters more energized than ever. Obama has had his “mission accomplished” moment and like Bush we all know the end of that story.
Hillary ‘08 + ‘12
The big falsehood in this post is suggesting that the media don’t pick the nominees. They absolutely do. They picked Kerry. They picked Obama and McCain. As long as so many voters are fickle and braineless, this isn’t going to change. If the TV says it, it must be true. It’s a sad reflection on how people treat politics in this country — it’s a popularity contest, not about substance. Still, based on policy, count me as one of those who will “grudgingly” come back in November. I have such a great track record of voting for presidential losers, it would be a shame to break that in 2008 (in a year when Democrats will pick up so many seats, Obama’s loss will be epic). I just can’t understand how the general election situation keeps looking worse for Obama, yet the superdelegates keep flocking to him. What is it called when you make one decision despite overwhelming evidence to support the other position? I thought it was called Republicanism.
They don’t vote until the convention and can flip in a heart beat.
I am extremely optimistic of Hillary getting the nomination. This election cycle we have people in the MSM screaming of the fix such as Lou Dobbs and many Fox show hosts. We have a fighting chance this time and I REFUSE to give in to past history.
Naysayers beware, we can win!
Trolls: save the “Faux News” stuff. You are hypocrites to whine about that unless you also complain about the bias against Hillary from MSNBC and elsewhere.
Good point about the supers, but with the ego of politicians, I find it hard to believe they’ll swallow their pride and switch. Still, I hope you’re right (I dream of it at night). Although, I’ll never support Fox News. Never. After all the horrible things they’ve done — never. But, I’m not a hypocrite (by your definition). MSNBC is totally in the tank for Obama (more than the rest of the media, even!). ABC was supposed to be pro-Clinton based on that debate (I know, stop laughing), but then they show live coverage of the Edwards endorsement during the nightly news. When is the last time you saw a live news event during the nightly news? I can’t remember ever seeing that. Do they want to start airing Obama commercials instead of talking about the China earthquake?
For the time being they are being the most fair to Hillary. I won’t look a gift horse in the mouth out of principle. Its a matter of choosing one’s battles and deciding which is more important, an overall principle or making sure Obama is defeated.
I get your point, I just come to a different conclusion. Also, I don’t think they’re more fair to Hillary, I just think they’re tougher on Obama. The O’Reilly “interview” with Hillary was a typical Fox News crapfest (baseless accusations, not allowing responses, overall jerkiness, etc.). As I said, I’d rather have Obama than McCain (spare me the vitriol, we’ll just have to “agree to disagree”). So, I want to see Obama defeated via the nominating process, and I’m not sure Fox is reaching a ton of Democratic primary voters. I think Fox hates Hillary with a passion, they just don’t give Obama a free ride like everyone else does.
But Hillary handled herself brilliantly with O’Reilly. You could see that he came to respect her a lot because she didn’t back down and she didn’t get all huffy, she just came back true, strong and articluate. She showed him respect, which he probably never gets. I think it worked hugely in her favor.
Of course you’re right, she always handles the pressure well. She performed well in that interview. As far as respect, I can’t imagine that O’Reilly wouldn’t be reciting the Clinton Chronicles if she gets the nomination. But, I’d love to be wrong.
Oh he will attack her if she gets the nomination– but he will also repsect her. Not that earning Bill O’Reiily’s respect is some milestone. It was really just an observation on how fabulous Hillary is.
If I was Mc Cain I would of gotten on the phones and give Hillary a call, offer her the VP spot that would surely throw this entire thing out of sync.
My campaign would be Democrats don’t need her but we do. lol
McCain-Lieberman!
Yaaaaa, that’s the ticket!
Have certainly thought of this myself…she would be Pres in 2012. Way to pull Repubs to the center where many want to be.
Have certainly thought of this myself…she would be Pres in 2012. Way to pull Repubs to the center where many want to be. I would rather see her run with McCain than to ruin her reputation with a scumbag like OB.
Well so what, so do I. NEVER unserstood Big Dawg and his philandering, Jillary’s a FOX! And she’s also STRONG and SMART and able to work with anyone and her entire life she’s done just about NOTHING but work for the public’s protection and interests. Obama? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I’ll have to ask Tony Rezko and Ayers, THEY’RE who he’s worked for.
I want Hillary all the way. I would never vote for Obama.
I want Hillary, but if they steal this from Hillary, I think Obama would seriously lose, and if he lost in the general election–he would be gone for good, which would be a dream come true for me. Then everyone will see that they should have voted for Hillary and they made a mistake. She could come back in four years and win it.
Also, I would LOVE to see Howard Dean’s face, and all the MSM’s faces after the loss. I would LOVE to tell so many people (especially online) I TOLD YOU SO!!!
But, it’s Hillary ALL THE WAY for now.
Hillary 08!
Yesterday evening I went to a meeting of the local Democratic club. This Democratic club is made up of upper middle class liberals. Members are pretty much in the tank for Obama.
An official from the California Democratic Council spoke to the group. (The CDC coordinates all the Democratic clubs in the state). Someone asked this official what will happen to the Democratic Party once a nominee is chosen. He assured us Democrats will fall into line and vote for the nominee, the assumption being that the nominee will be Obama.
The California Democratic Council official believes a division within the party actually does not exist. The division is nothing more than a creation of the media. Hillary’s landslide wins don’t mean a thing because those states vote Republican in general elections. Not one voice was raised to disagree, including mine.
The CDC official’s pep talk ended. Our club president told us what a worthy organization the CDC is. A discussion of club business led to a quite heated argument about Robert’s Rules of Order. I finished my glass of Two Buck Chuck cabernet and went home.
So folks, there you have it. There is nothing happening here. Please move along.
Why do I keep thinking of lemmings and cliffs?
“The California Democratic Council official believes a division within the party actually does not exist. The division is nothing more than a creation of the media. “
Yes people, the pod people have landed. The proof is that quote above.
First, the media is not reporting a rift. If you’re not on Internet blogs and message boards then you wouldn’t know about it.
“Someone asked this official what will happen to the Democratic Party once a nominee is chosen. He assured us Democrats will fall into line and vote for the nominee,”
Pelosi has said minor variations of the same thing. They are all practising NLP (neuro linguistic programming)) on the public. If you say something enough times in a very self-assured, absolute way, the weaker among us will believe it and follow suit.
Unfortunately, this works on a lot of people. Which is why they are proceeding with Obama as the nominee. It’s why they wanted Hillary out earlier.
If I had to pick only one reason why I won’t vote for Obama this would be it. This is dangerous stuff people. This is Big Brother. And if you need proof read the next-to-the last line of this comment:
“So folks, there you have it. There is nothing happening here. Please move along.”
I will and have rejected B. Hussein Obama. Not only have I rejected him I have started telling everyone I meet in the day, alot as I handle customer service as well as deliver and answer the phone, about B. Hussein Obama and his ties to terrorist Ayers and his connection to the Rezko mess and how he got money for “favors”. Nobody has heard of either name, so I tell them to go home or to the office and Google those names and B. Hussein Obama and the people I tell are amazed and comment how in the tank the media is for B.Hussein Obama and how the media has always hated the Clintons. How many times do you think the Republicans will mention Ayers and Rezko not to mention Mrs. B. Hussein Obama and how proud she is for the first time. I think we could lose all 50 states by the time it is over.
One last time for all to hear :
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ….EVER . !
You can bank on one of Obama’s first acts as President (G*d forbid) would be to replace Patrick Fitzgerald as U.S. Attorney in Chicago. That would ease the pressure on him and the rest of his goombahs in the Illinois “Combine”. He cannot be elected for that reason alone, though there are soooo many other good reasons not to elect this fraud of many acheivements and no accomplishments.
Dean and Barry both understand the possibilities of small online donations. We should all consider giving small (because it hurts to do it) donations to McCain, and then just forward the thank you letter to the DNC before the convention(possibly with an explanation). Let them know where our votes and money will go. I suppose this is what we get for giving Dean the DNC as a consolation prize for his joke of a campaign. It’s as close as any of us will get to getting extra votes, and as close as FL and MI will get to getting one.
Not yet. Hillary is really working the donations right now. I gave on-line. Got telemarketed for more.
She needs it now more than “making a statement” to McCain.
I’ll certainly continue supporting Hillary, but how about “one buck” for McCain and call it “buckin’ the DNC”.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA!! i LIKE IT..I REALLY REALLY LIKE IT!!
thanks..fly
Not yet. Hillary needs every buck.
Not yet.
Please read today’s Daily Howler!
http://WWW.DAILYHOWLER.COM
John Judis’ new piece is so astounding that we’re postponing all other work.
FLOWERING JUDIS: We’ve sometimes found ourselves amazed by the work of veteran journo John Judis. But the scribe’s new piece for the New Republic is truly milestone political journalism. Rarely do journalists explain so clearly the shape of events which have changed all our lives. Judis does so, in a truly remarkable piece. And we don’t mean that as a compliment.
Judis’ piece, “The Autopsy Report,” “explor[es] the political reasons for Hillary Clinton’s defeat” in the ongoing Democratic campaign.
I wrote a “sternly worded letter” to the DNC. I know how much they prefer that type of action. I also used some of Rev. Wrights own words to put a religious feel to the “sternly worded letter”.
Hey Msnbc Chuck Todd…it is not going to happen..we women will not go over to Obama..no matter how much you will us to..we won’t play your stupid assed game..won’t happen ..so stfu about it..it is not going to happen!
This boob thinks we women will all come running to Obama..well Chuck “stupid assed” Todd…fuck you and the horse you rode in on..it is not going to happen..and no woman Obama adds as VP ..even Hillary.. will bring us into Kool-aide drinking land of Obama..we women ..the grown ups, are not ever going to come over to Obama..what part of that do you not get?? or is that what you are trying to sell to the super delegates…It won’t work GE whore Todd..we will not come over to Obama..he is a crook, he is a liar, he is not safe for national security…and we can not be sold that bill of goods..
you may have sold that bullshit to the young folks..but we adults are not buying the bullshit..not today and not tommorrow…not ever!
Hey Todd save your bullshit ..only you GE whores believe what you are trying to sell..we women are not buying and we won’t..ever …
stick it Todd ..oh and we begin boycotting your advertizers tommorrow!
fly
Perhaps because the base did leap in line to vote for every egg head loser they put up, the DNC believes we will again. But I’m older now and I don’t leap too good anymore.
Hell! NO! BO!
But please someone tell me, Dean Donna and Nancy will go down with him. My nightmare is he loses , but they keep their jobs. Also I never want to see anyone from the geezer loser brigade. again.
Thank God for Hillary Clinton. At least we still have a chance. Other wise we would be locked into this guy right now till Nov ….the media can tell me we are, but we are not.
Courtesy of the Q Poll.
FLORIDA
Obama 41
McCain 45
Clinton 48
McCain 41
DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee Members
By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:10:00 AM EST
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If you are curious about who is on the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee that will be deciding on Florida and Michigan, here’s the list with their affiliations. (Don’t laugh, it lists Donna Brazile as “uncommitted”)
The tally: Hillary has 13 supporters, Obama 8 and 7, in addition to the 2 co-chairs have not yet endorsed. The member from Florida is an Obama supporter. One of the co-chairs, Alexis Herman, was one of Bill Clinton’s cabinet members.
Co-Chairs - no endorsement
Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )
James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )
Members - Clinton supporters (13)
Hartina Flournay (DC)
Donald Fowler (SC)
Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
Alice Huffman (CA)
Ben Johnson (DC)
Elaine Kamarck (MA)
Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
Mona Pasquil (CA)
Mame Reiley (VA)
Garry Shay (CA)
Elizabeth Smith (DC)
Michael Steed (MD)
Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)
Members - Obama supporters (8) [More...]
Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
Janice Griffin (MD)
Thomas Hynes (IL)
Allan Katz (FL)
Sharon Stroschein (SD)
Sarah Swisher (IA)
Everett Ward (NC)
Members - no known endorsement (7)
Donna Brazille (DC)
Mark Brewer (MI)
Ralph Dawson (NY)
Yvonne Gates ( NV)
Alice Germond (DC) - DNC Secretary
David McDonald (WA)
Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)
One to keep your eye on: New York lawyer Ralph Dawson. It was his idea to strip the states of their delegates. He contributed $1,000 to Obama. He says he’s also given to Hillary. Can he really be uncommitted at this juncture? Maybe… he says his primary goal is nominating the one that is more electable in November, rather than his personal preference.
Another “uncommitted” , David T. McDonald of Washington has already nixed Hillary’s idea publicly:
McDonald said he wouldn’t respond well if Clinton wanted to seat delegates based on the contests that already took place in the two states.
“If she makes the motion to allocate ‘beauty contest’ delegates, she will not get support from me,” he said. “If she gives [the states] a chance to comply with rules, I will consider it, but they were given 30 days to comply already.”
Here’s an oddity: Jerome Wiley-Segovia. Although from Virginia, he was appointed by Dean to represent the Latino vote. He thinks Obama has a better chance of winning but praises Hillary’s campaign for its “competency.”
Homework for the willing googler: Are any of those supporting Hillary on record as being in favor of counting MI and FL as is?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/22/1108/27571
The bylaws committee is not the problem. It’s the next step to Credentials committee that’s the problem. They are stacked with Dean’s arbitrary “appointees” One of them is in college for chrissakes.
I honestly think the DNC wants to lose. I am planing to change party affiliation on June 2nd if they try to restrict the votes of MI and FL. The voters did nothing wrong. I am already pissed at B Hussein Obama and his cult for trying to suppress the turnout by pretending it is over and hoping Hillary supporters stay home. They better think again. Hillary or bust baby.
Why is it always about women supporting Hillary, Obama has a problem with women, women might not vote for Obama, etc.? This seems like an attempt to marginalize Hillary’s support. The MSM are trying to make everyone believe that only grandmas support her. Obviously women are an important base of support, but only part of her coalition. Brace yourself — I’m young, well-educated (M.D.), male, very ideologically liberal, definitely an “egghead,” and an elitest (guess what, I can be because I’m not running for president). All of that and I support Hillary! Even though the media tell me every day that I should be supporting Obama because of my demograhpics, I still don’t. Hillary’s support is very wide and deep — don’t buy the hype.
It’s cheap journalism, that’s all. Paint a broad picture. Ignore the nuances. They work off of one another. So-n-so says this, they respond.
Journalism is like any other industry in our country. They are going through horrible times with cutbacks that severely limit their ability to do good work. Welcome to our world.
So they go for the quick and dirty. I compare it to when I worked in the Financial Industry as it was going down the drain. We compared our company to a corpse. We had the name. We put rouge on her. Dressed up up. And managed to find a merger partner before we got closed down by the Feds. *haha
But there was only a shell of a company left. The commercial loan portfolio? 95% bad loans. Credit card offers? Completely outsourced. We made more money off of bad checks than off of credit card sales.
Same thing now going on in journalism. It’s a collapse.
The LA Times, for example. Everyone is mad at their editorials being so in the tank for Obama. They have gone through 3 editorial managers in less than a year. LOL* They are in complete chaos.
And that’s the only paper I’m truly tuned into. My guess is the same is going on at the NY TIMES.
So it’s just a part of the economy collapse.
I think you let them off too easy by giving the economy as an excuse. The media have sucked for a long time. As I said, I’m young, but I get the impression that journalism actually used to mean something. But, people are lazy.
Well, I was around a lot of young journalism majors for years. They really are passionate. Today, they are’t so passionate about objectivity, true.
But journalism has always been in and out of yellow journalism. The myth of Billy the Kid is a great example.
We did have a heyday of objective journalism, but it got pushed aside as being boring.
People love drama.
Bleeding, I love REAL progressives. These obama hacks are imposters. Real progressives aren’t misogynists and sexist pigs. Thank you for being here.
Don’t you just love that bunk about how Obama supporters are educated and the rest of us are all picking beans? I laugh every time I see it, since it’s raw BS.
Yeah, I don’t get how the guy who wants to cave in to all the Republicans is the poster boy for so many liberals. I guess after 8 years of darkness, people just want to feel good. What makes me feel good is Hillary crushing the “vast right-wing conspiracy.” You make a good point about sexism — this race proves that some amount of sexism is ok in most people’s eyes, but racism isn’t. As a white male, I suppose I don’t really have a dog in the racism vs. sexism fight. But, those Hillary nutcrackers make sick. People think they’re so funny, but an Obama lawn jockey would be (rightly) criticized beyond belief. Now excuse me, I’m going to spend the next 20 minutes tying my shoes (knots is hard!).
Let’s consider why Obama is having difficult convincing working class citizens that he’s on their side. Maybe it’s coming from instinct or maybe it’s coming from the incredible number of folks in his finance committee and economic advisor committee that clearly profit from the financial losses and job losses of ordinary Americans.
For your consideration:
Today, “Obama has asked former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to begin vetting potential vice presidential picks, Democratic officials said Thursday. Johnson did the same job for Democratic nominees John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984.
Obama refused to acknowledge Johnson’s role when The Associated Press asked the Illinois senator about it in the Captiol Thursday. ”
source:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_VEEPSTAKES?SITE=DCUSN&SE CTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
COMMENT: Weren’t there some issues concerning Mr. Johnson when he was in charge of FNMA? Seems to me there were some accounting irregularities involved. I’m trying to go back into old press releases to find information, but I recall Mr. Johnson is a big politics and usual guy and mostly got the job at FNMA because of his DNC fundraising talents for Mondale.
FNMA is one of the places were mortgage securitization occurs. The very market at the core of the current financial crisis that is taking homes from so many disadvantaged households.
WHO is Obama’s Finance Chair? None other than Penny Pritzker. She and her family were central to the innovation known as “Mortgage Backed Securities,” which are now at the center of the financial crisis and real estate melt down.
source:http://gdaeman.blogspot.com/2008/02/who-is-penny-pritzker-and-why-is-she.html
Let’s not even get started with infamous Slum Lord Tony Rezko or the University of Chicago Economist Austin Goolsbee whose publications include “The Impact and Inefficiency of the Corporate Income Tax”. This is the same guy that assured the Canadians that Obama’s position was all political rhetoric.
So, a few of us Economists that are progressive Democrats are not hopping on to that Obama Bandwagon just yet. You should be known by the company you keep not by the words you read from the teleprompters.
This campaign has really helped me find myself. Although I was raised in a college town with a professor dad and bookish mom, have too much education myself, lived my whole adult life in lefty east coast cities doing hi-status intellectual labor, I am, apparently, a racist, ignorant, working class, aging, bitter, middle-aged female bigot. How else to explain my support for Hillary Clinton? So thanks to Obama and his army of blogging and broadcasting bullies for helping me finally understand who I really am
Don’t forget…you didn’t vote for Hillary, you voted against Obama. Because, you know, you’re a racist and all that other stuff.
Uh huh, same old accusations, and drivel. The race baiting won’t work, We don’t have an obligation to vote for Obama because he is black.. Does he have the qualifications and the character to be president? Can he withstand the heat in the White house if he wimps out when the pressure comes down on him? Ok so call me racist if you want, I know I am not.. But if you are saying I have to vote for a black man because that now makes me non racist, you are full of it. Why should I vote for the color of someone ’s skin, does that make him somehow qualified to lead the country??? Can you even give any rational sane support why I should even vote for Obama other than if I don’t I am a racist? Isn’t that a pretty lame and weak argument to support him????A ya’ll vote for Obama if you don’t vote for him you are all a bunch racists? I thought a person’s skin color here shouldn’t be an issue here.I’m supposed to vote for a black man not based on his merits but his skin color , how laughable.
amen. I was even told by another respected blog that I was race-baiting because I brought up Wright.
Good grief. Nobody who has ever met me in my entire life has ever suggested that.
My young friend, a Latino guy?
He keeps saying, “That can’t be.”
(He’s a fan, obviously. *haha)
But yes, I’m with you. It’s been insulting to the point of making me take a stand.
I’m not the race-baiter.
Others are, however.
And they will have to own it.
Annie , i would be proud to know you!!
I too have been called a racist..even though i am married to a dual minority and my children are minorities!
Now ANNIE..I KNOW I AM IN GOOD COMPANY!!
FLY
Obama’s got another racist on the payroll.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=205
just tell everyone that a vote for mccain is a vote for hill in 2012, I am in line with all of you, there is no way in hell I will ever, ever vote for BHO………
Great to see someone is offering proposals rather than just the vague idea of “change.”
5/22/2008
Senator Clinton Heralds Fix To Student Crisis
It’s a good day for American students and their families, who will no longer have to worry that they won’t be able to finance their college education. I’m pleased that the House and Senate passed legislation similar to a proposal I made on the campaign trail, to address the student loan crisis, and that the Bush Administration implemented the measure in a timely fashion. This measure improves access to student loans by allowing the Department of Education to purchase loans from lenders. This legislation will help ensure that America’s economic crisis does not stand in the way of students seeking a college education.
Since early last year, I have been calling for action to address the subprime mortgage crisis. Instead of listening, President Bush stood by as the subprime crisis spiraled into a larger housing and credit crisis that is driving our economy downward. This year, the economic crisis threatened to claim another victim: student loans. I’m very pleased that instead of ignoring the problem and hoping it would go away, this time, the President listened, and is now implementing a commonsense solution, passed by Congress.
I’m also pleased that the Direct Student Loan program has doubled in size since last year, and that the Department of Education is taking action to ensure that it has the capacity to administer those loans effectively. I called for the Department of Education to enact a temporary, fast-track alternative to expedite new applications to the Direct Loan program. The Direct Loan program is a cost effective, simple alternative to private loans that has proven to be a real lifesaver during this time of turmoil in the financial markets.
As thousands of students prepare to start their college education for the next school year, Wednesday’s announcement by the Department of Education sends a strong message that the students loans they need will be there when they need them. Congress sent that message with the passage of the Ensuring Continued Access to Student Loans Act of 2008, and I am pleased that the President signed the bill into law and that the Administration acted on the authority it was given.
Mr. Lyons,
If the DNC is reckless enough to nominate this man, you have my word that neither I nor my family will grudgingly return anywhere.
Senator Obama will never get my vote. I did’t vote for him in February and I won’t vote for him in November.
He was not qualified in February — before he was vetted — and now that we know about Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, Bitter Gate, NAFTA Gate, Sweetie Gate and the salient fact that this wishy washy dissembler doesn’t even bother to do his homework on the issues before er umming his way in front of the American people, you can bet that he is thoroughly unelectable.
McCain will make mincemeat out of him.
Let us hope the DNC wakes up. They ignore these facts at their peril.
KAREN TUMULTY was just on MSNBC ( i am watching because of fires in calif) ..and that woman(?) said that Obama is making nice with we women and we will eventually come over to him..
***click on at this link http://www.time.com/time/letters/email_letter.html
and write to KAREN TUMULTY at Time magazine..and tell her you will never vote for Obama ..no matter what and that Obama’s pandering now to Hillary supporters is too little- too late..you can not be conned by this bullshit!!
Ok so now MSNBC says Obama has to win over the women..now they have on Mort ZUCKERMAN and how OBAMA HAS TO WIN OVER JEWISH VOTERS..WELL HOW IS OBAMA GOING TO WIN OVER ALL THESE PEOPLE????? I THOUGHT HE WAS LOVED BY EVERYONE msnbc!!!!!!!!!!
HEY msnbc..I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE NEW MESSIAH..HOW COME HE HAS TO WIN OVER SO MANY PEOPLE HE HAS PISSED OFF BIG TIME??????????
SO LETS LOOK AT WHO HE HAS TO WIN OVER..
WOMEN
JEWS
CATHOLICS
HISPANICS
WORKING MEN AND WOMEN
GAYS
ASIANS
WHATS THE MATTER MSNBC..IS THAT 12% NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU?? THEY WON’T CARRY THE DAY? WILL THEY????
GO AHEAD TELL DONNA BRAZILE..THAT SHE WAS RIGHT..THEY DON’T NEED US..AND THEY WON’T GET US EITHER!! SO PONY UP THAT 12% OF AMERICANS AND SEE HOW THAT ELECTION IN NOVEMBER GOES FOR YOU!!
FLY
Making nice at this stage of the game is pouring salt on an open wound. Best of luck selling that. This idiot really thinks he can flip a switch with his charm and all will be well? He is smoking his own hopeium again.
Contact Gerry Farrrarro on this? I think she will have a bone to pick with Barry.
Ladies, you now have more reason than ever to defeat this bloody idiot.
and don’t forget old people. of course, we never vote. /sarc.
obaby - the great unifier. can’t even unify hard core dems to stay with the party.
obaby - the great change agent - rapidly changing the dem base into new repubs and indies.
obaby - you’ll like me when you get to know me. the more we get to know, the more we despise.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Top 3 Reasons I refuse to vote Obama:
1. It’s the misogyny, stupid!
2. Neo-Libs = Neo-Cons
3. I needn’t proceed after #1 and #2
But it can be fun to.
FYI. I just changed my Florida registration from Democrat (always) to Independent. I plan to send the cut-up pieces of my old registration to the DNC. They don’t want my vote? They ain’t gonna get it! Hillary or McCain ‘08
hello everyone, like this site but was afriad to comment,thought i would get hammered with hate, i am a strong hillary supporter, and my family and friends, we will NOT vote Obama. we also will not write in hillarys name, I know we have to vote McCain to make sure our votes count, and we will all go republican, its about the country now, not the partys.
glad to see you, julie.
so right re it’s about the country, not the party. the party has left us. we will not leave the country to those who hijacked the party.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Here you go,Politically Drunk just posted a new article that lists the Supers that are voting for Obama against their contituency including campaign donations received from Obama, and undecideds who are receiving Obama contributions. Check It Out:
http://tinyurl.com/43g29m
If you are a Hillary supporter and they deny her the nomination.
I know this great lady will ask you to vote for Obama.
And this great lady knows that in our hearts we can’t.
So you have 3 Choices:
Vote Obama
Write in Hillary or Abstain (same thing)
Vote McCain
For every vote cast for Hillary as a write in Obama has to do nothing.
Here is why you vote McCain. For every additional vote McCain gets Obama has to get two votes to offset it, one to negate it and one to compensate for us not voting for him.
Of course its bizzarro world. Obama is supposed to be the Washington outsider. But what have we seen? We see all thr DC pundits and democratic politicians who’ve been in office way too long and some who’ve been beatin kissing his feet for a job or to gain power. The corporate media salivating over him and repeating his talking points. Why do you suppose all these “insiders” are trirling around him. Its all an illusion that he will bring new people, especially the youth into politics. Here comes Summer. As vacations begin and people go home from school, they will get busy playing, partying, etc. Thats why they want Hillary to drop out. As soon as Obama is the candidate, they can go back to downloading music and chatting on Facebook. The party will become an afterthought after this election and the down-ticket races that really make a difference will suffer. You think any of these college students will pay attention to school board elections?
Did you see the pfd about Obama/ Frank davis ect.http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/hawaii-obama.pdf
there is another one with the chicago ties at http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/chicago-obama.pdf
They are both pretty long and seem to answer alot of the questions we’ve had about why he went to CHicago ect
I dont believe giving a former first lady,and presidential candidate the finger as showing great respect. I dont know who scares me more, obama or his supporters. I think both.
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A MAN WHO SHOWS MORE EMPATHY TO TERRORIST PRISONERS, THEN ABORTED BORN BABIES! OR TO A MAN WHO CAN COMPARE A U.S SENATOR AND DR. TO A DOMESTIC TERRORIST, OBAMA APPEARS TO SYMPATHISE WITH OUR ENEMIES MORE THEN OUR ALLIES. I ALSO BELIEVE HE IS NARCISSTIC, AND WITHOUT A CONSCIOUS. AND I DONT EVEN WANT TO GET INTO HIS AMERICAN HATING WIFE AND FRIENDS!!!
Good posting. Thanks. But I disagree about one thing: It’s not just the white working class that won’t return to vote for him- neither will Hillary’s women (and some are not white or working class). And… the more the media heads insist we “will come back to the fold” the more it encourages me to convince others not to vote for Snoboma.
Howard Dean and Donna Brazile should be given a one way ticket out of the party for shoving this candidate down our throats.
NO OBAMA!I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA OR FALL IN LINE WITH OBAMA.NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!MSNBC-MBC AND THEIR PUNDITS CAN SPIN ALL THEY WANT-AND JUST TO THINK THAT I THOUGHT THE MEDIAS WAS TO INFORM THE PEOPLE OF THE TRUTH NOT TO TRY AND MISINFORM THEM FOR THEIR OWN GAIN.I WILL NOT WATCH MSNBC-MBC OR ANY OTHER NETWORK THAT IS CONNECTED WITH MSNBC.THEY ARE THE MEDIA WHO SEND OUT UNTRUTH ON A CANDIDATESEN. HILLARY CLINTON AS WELL AS RON PAUL..THEY DID NOT ALLOW MANY PEOPLE TO MAKE A SOUND CHOICE OF A CANDIDATE.MSNBC-MBC TOOK THE SOUND CHOICE AWAY THE THE PEOPLE IN BEING BISA-SEXIST IN WORKING THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T STAY UP WITH THE CANDIDATE PREDIDENTIAL RACE–I BEEN THERE FROM THE START.WHAT MSNBC-MBC DID IS WRONG!HOW CAN ANYONE TRUST THEM TO REPORT THE TRUTH ANY OMER?I CAN’T! THERE FOR I NOW NOLONGER WATCH MSNBC-MBC WHY SHOW I?GIVE THEM RATEINGS THAT THEY DID NOT DESERVED!!THAT’S GO TO ALL THEIR NETWORKS THA’S CONNECTED WITH MSNBC-MBC-TODAY SHOW ALL OF THEM! AND THEIR PRO-OBAMA PRESS AS WELL.I WON’T BUY THEIR PAPERS.
IT’S NICE HERE NOW THAT I DON’T LET MSNBC-MBC-TODAY-SHOW INTO MY HOME BY MY T.V!!!
I VOTE MSNBC-MBC AND THE REST OFF FOR WHAT THE DID NOT ONLY TO THE BEST CANDIDATE BUT TO THE PEOPLE.
WE DON’T NEED TO HEAR THE BATCH OF THEM! BYE-BYE MSNBC-MBC-TODAY SHOW NOT GOING TO MISS YOU!
TO LYNN DEE
OBAMA WORKED VERY HARD TO STOP A BAN AGAINST PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS, YOU KNOW,WHEN A ABORTED BABY LIVES,IT MUST BE PUT DOWN, AS IN THEY STICK A NEEDLE IN THE BABIES SKULL AND SUCK OUT ITS BRAIN UNTIL DEAD, OR PUT IT IN THE TRASH TO DIE. THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATURE ONLY WAS PASSED WHEN OBAMA LEFT THE ILLINIOS SENATE. BECAUSE HE TRIED SO HARD TO KEEP THIS HORRIBLE PROCEDURE LEGAL, HIS WIFE ALSO SET UP MEETINGS TO STOP THE BAN, SUCH A LOVING COUPLE ,DONT YOU THINK.
I know he’s very pro-choice, it’s a shame his mother wasn’t.
Obamabot, let me make it easy for you. We aren’t voting for him, and we aren’t changing our minds, no matter what he (or you) say. Here’s a little song for you, by (that redneck) Mark Chestnutt:
Got it?
Oh, and to whoever wrote this above:
“I wrote a “sternly worded letter” to the DNC. I know how much they prefer that type of action.”
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
My family and I have all stopped watching nbc,msnbc, and cnn,well not lou dobbs,we like him.There is power in numbers,we can get them where it hurts, their ratings! We are disgusted by what is going on in this election season. Makes you wonder what country we are living in!!!
Thanks for letting me comment, glad I did, have a good day.
COUNTRY FIRST–PARTY SECOND–NO OBAMA
WE WILL NOT FALL IN LINE.
STAY STRONG. BYE FOR NOW
I’m just re-reading this thread and it occurred to me that nobody should EVER have to explain to ANYBODY who they vote for or why. It’s your right to vote for whomever you want and it’s nobody’s business.
How can we find out who the downticket candidates are?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index
lists all of the SD’s by state and indicates which candidate they’ve supported. If any of them are up for reelection (that voted for Obama) it might make them rethink their choice if they know that hillary supporters will NOT vote for them.
It’s a neat site. It breaks down and lists all SD’s, state-by-state and by district.
At the Iowa rally on tuesday night, only white, middle-aged working class people were allowed on stage with obama. However, the handlers were choosing everyone by how they looked, alone-so you could presumably be rich as long as you looked the part. This came straight from one of his Iowa workers who was calling all over and trying to recruit white middle class people to sit on stage-I got called because I knew this guy who thought because I was liberal, that I would be supporting obama.
I just e-mailed all the SDs with my opinion. I hope they are listening and it will do some good.
Go Hillary!
The DNC, Main Stream Media and Pundits, and Obama Supporters and Super Delegates.
It seems to me that you hear what you want to hear and you see what you
want to see, but let me be extremely clear on what has gone on during
this primary season and what will happen after it is over.
First of all to the Obama voters, I cannot speak for the White Obama
voters someone else would have to speak to them. However, I can speak
to the African American Voters because I am an African American. It is
easy for you to try to justify 90-92% of you voting for Obama, but the
truth is the truth. You are voting for Obama simply because he is an
African American. Let me ask you a question. How many of you did what I
did and researched both candidates equally; How many of you pulled down
the policy and voting records and evaluated them against each other?
How many of you sat down and thought about the things that are
affecting you on a daily basis and then took a good solid look at both
candidates and made a decision? How many of you, if your life or the
life or your children depended on it, can easily list two or three
bills that Obama has voted on or written? How many of you know his
stance on Healthcare, the Economy, and Education? If your life depended
on it right now today, how many of you know exactly what Barack Obama
stands for. How many of you know what the change is that he has
promised? If your life depended on it could you explain what the Change
actually is? I say this because I find it offensive that my own
friends, family members and co-workers choose to call me a sell out
because I am a Hillary Clinton Supporter and I simply say to them, I am
not interested in making History. I am interested in the future of this
country that my nine year old child will grow up in, period. I have
done the homework. I have made a decision and I am sticking to it. It
offends me even more when fellow African Americans feel that it is ok
to walk up to me on the street or at my Childs school and say to me,
’so do you think he is gonna do it? Do you think Obama is going to
win’? What makes them think first of all that I am an Obama Supporter;
and when I tell them I am not, why do they have the audacity to say to
me, ‘come on sister we owe it to him’. How can you just assume because
I am an African American that I will automatically vote for Barack
Obama?. Ask yourselves the tough questions. Step back and take a good
look at yourselves and see what you come up with. To those supporters
who have been so vile and disrespectful to Senator Clinton, you are the
reason why the party is being torn apart and it shows your lack of
knowledge in what your candidate stands for, because according to him,
he is the great unifier. But his followers seem to be the great
dividers. All you have to do is take a look at the blogs. Debating the
issues is one thing, but vile personal attacks and nasty rhetoric is a
sign of the characters of those who support him. This says to me that
if he were to be elected to office, you would not hold him accountable.
You would continue to bury your heads in the sand. How can you Unify a
country when you continue to use the Race Card. Everytime someone
disagrees with Senator Obama, they are labeled racist. His
Administration would be mired in constant back and forth about race. If
you do not agree or you speak out against him, you will be considered
racist. This is the type of White House we would have and nothing would
get done.
To Senator Obama: Your arrogance is not becoming. The way that you talk
down to people is not attractive. You are asking us to put you in
charge of the people of the United States of America, yet you act as if
you are Superior to us. You take us for fools, by expecting us to
believe that you had no knowledge of what your Pastor was preaching for
20 years. You expect us to believe that you and your campaign did not
inject race into this campaign, but those of us who viewed this primary
with clear open eyes, know what you have done and we will have our
voices heard in November. It is not your race, take it from me I am a
sister, it is your lack of substance and your inability to come up with
your own views and your own policies, and we will be heard in November.
You are supposed to be a Uniter, but you have caused more division in
this country than I have seen in the past 30 years.
To Senator Clinton: I support you 150%; I know in my heart of hearts
that you are truly a champion for the people. I have known your work. I
have researched your policies and I have watched you during this
campaign. In times of trouble you are the one that I would want to have
my back because I know that you would go down fighting for us. Thank
you for your body of work for the American People, although it may not
feel as though they appreciate it right now. Those children that have
healthcare because of you Thank you; those women that are able to spend
time with their children after their birth; or those children who are
able to take time off work to take care of their elderly parents,
without fear of losing their jobs due to your hard work on FMLA Thank
you. The people of New York Thank you. This country is lucky to have a
fighter like you, although they do not deserve it. Thank you for your
brilliance.
To the Main Stream Media and Pundits, you chose to praise this unknown
man without thoroughly vetting him and now it is too late. You, I hope,
will take full responsibility for this when he tanks this country. You
all do not even have the common decency to act as if you are trying to
be fair and balanced. Chris Matthews cannot stop salivating over Obama;
Tim Russett seems as if he gets angry every time Hillary wins, his eyes
just bug out of his head. It is a sad thing for me to say that I have
gotten all of my fair and balanced news from Fox News Network, which is
totally unbelievable. You have assailed Hillary Clinton and tried to
make a Mockery out of Bill Clinton. You along with Barack Obama and his
camp, have made the case that Bill Clinton is somehow a Racist because
he said something that was totally true. Because of your dislike for
the Clintons, you have trashed them constantly. and you are the ones
who started the whole ‘The Clintons’. I do not see the name Bill
Clinton on the ballot. It is totally disrespectful the way that you
have treated President Clinton and Senator Clinton; absolutely no
respect. You have failed the American People and it will come back to
haunt you; let me see you spin the disaster which is Barack Obama.
To the DNC: For 22 years I have been a loyal member of this party, a
party that I thought was the party of the people. But I now see that
you all are nothing but the good old boys club. You have totally thrown
Senator Clinton under the bus. Someone who has been loyal to this party
and fought for this party; someone who has shown so much strength and
passion for the people, because you cannot break away from the good old
boys club. It took this long Primary season to see just how flawed and
undemocratic your system really is. First of all you penalize the
American People, the voters, for what their legislators did. You did
not have the common sense to say, ‘ok we will fine the Michigan and
Florida Democratic Party monetarily for moving up their primaries’. No,
you chose to take away their right to have their votes counted. How
undemocratic is that at a time when we have soldiers coming home in
body bags because they are fighting in a country to give others the
right to simply vote. Yes the candidates agreed, but why should they
have had to in the first place. No one had the common sense to say that
we cannot disenfranchise millions of Americans? You have a system where
someone can win an entire state and come out with only 10 or 13
delegates more that the person that lost. How is that Democratic? That
means that the notion of one man one vote is not the what this party
runs off of. You have a system of Caucuses, which does not allow for
elderly and hardworking Americans to participate in; is that
democratic?, You put Super Delegates in place to make decisions and
vote how they want to, but mid game because it does not benefit the
candidate that you want, you strong arm them into voting how you want
them to vote. This is the party of the people? You have a system where
you have a number of 2025 delegates and neither candidate has reached
that mark; but you declare a winner and then the good old boy network
decides that they will come out in droves to back him up, even though
millions have not voted. So then you are saying that the Super
Delegates make the decisions? Which is it?
To the Super Delegates: There is something to be said about Character
and what I have seen in the last couple of months has no signs of it.
For those of you who backed Hillary Clinton in the beginning and then
felt it necessary to throw her under the bus when she was behind in the
delegate count or was being declared down and out by the pundits, you
are the reason why the Democratic Party is divided; those types of
antics are unprofessional and disingenuous. It is one of two things:
You were backing her because you thought she would win, or; You backed
her because you believed in her candidacy, her policies and what she
stood for. If it was the latter, no matter what the numbers said or
what the Pundits said, you would stick with her. It is called courage
and conviction, something that her true supporters have shown. For
those African American Super Delegates who have been threatened and
brow beaten by your fellow African American Colleagues, Talk Radio and
constituents, thank you for having a back bone and standing up for what
you believe in. That is what true Character is all about. I suspect
that the turn coats will hear from their constituents in the future.
Jumping on the winning bandwagon does not take any effort, but standing
firm to your convictions takes everything.
What will happen next? The Pundits, the DNC, and Barack Obama
Supporters have all said, ‘Oh people are just saying that they will
vote for McCain or stay home in November, but that will not happen. The
party will come together’. Understand this loud and clear. We did not
vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. We did not vote for
Hillary Clinton because she is White We voted for Hillary Clinton
because we felt that she was the best person for the job and that she
would fight for the people of this country. We did not vote against
Barack Obama because he is Black or he is a Man. We voted against him
because we felt that he was not the right person for the Job. We felt
that he is not experienced enough; We felt that he was not honest about
the way that he feels about this country; We felt that he has no
substance; We felt that he gives great speeches, but has not backed
them up; We felt that he gets defense when he is questioned about his
policies and his way of thinking. What makes you think that that has or
will change? We will Not vote for Barack Obama. We will take our
chances with John McCain because at least we know that he loves this
country without a doubt. At least we know that he has the National
Security background in the event of any issue; At least we know that he
has a record of reaching across the aisle, even at the dismay of his
party. We know absolutely nothing about Barack Obama. We will not vote
for him no matter how you wave it off or dismiss what we would or would
not do. It will not happen. Common sense tells us that in the next four
years nothing but clean up will take place. I will take my chances with
someone that I know where he is coming from (McCain), as opposed to
someone who has shown no substance and only the promise of Change in
Washington (Obama). Obama? who is supported by all of the very
Washington Insiders that he chastises, Obama? who will be so indebted
to the old Washington Insiders he will not know which way is up. Now
you ponder that. Pundits, say what you must for ratings and see what
happens in November. And by the way, if and when Hillary Clinton gives
her Concession speech, it will be the last time that we will watch the
mainstream media again until election night. No convention, no
commentary, no Sunday shows. We are not interested in the Dog and Pony
show that the Democrats will make Hillary Clinton perform for the so
called good of the party, after the party turned their backs on her. We
love Hillary, but we will not vote for Obama because she said so. We
are not robots and we will not drink the Kool-Aid. Keep this in the
bank until Election day.
Sincerely,
An Ex-Democratic Voter,
Marla Jo
Marla Jo
An African-American responds to your comments.
BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!!
Everybody can vote for who they want. Talk to y’all later–when Obama’s in the White House.
KY exit-poll aftermath / Petition;
If you are a Hillary supporter who is pissed off and will
stay home or vote McCain over Obama, read and sign at;
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Nobama
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I,m a lifelong dem,fiscally conservative,strong on defense,progressive on social issues,particularly civil rights,in favor of help for less fortunate(school lunch,educational grants,middle class tax relief,etc.)and don’t have a racist ,sexist or for that matter a homophobic bone in my body.I would be delighted to vote for a qualified african american for president,but will not be bullied or tricked into voting for the allmighty MSM’s latest feel good,unvetted flav of the month.The media coverage has been a complete disgrace and has risen to the level of affirmative action for BHO. He is far more liberal than the American public,comes from a radical background and is currently unprepared to be president .The use of the race card against the Clintons of all people,while hiding J. Wright in his bacground is nothing short of astounding.
Of all the threads going today the conference call one is the most important! I urge my friends here to focus extra attention to it! I just posted this there:
Please participate heavily by clicking here.
And listen to the conference call. You will find great solace and strength after listening! I guarantee!
Just flush the DNC already. The Hillocrats are a HUGE voting bloc and don’t need Obama nor the DNC. The Republican party is moving toward the left of center already (lookup McCain, Schwarzenegger, and GOP rebranding) and they are not as good as democrats in marketing to minorities and they will be happy to appease disenfranchised Reagan-Dems/Hillocrats. There are better options out there than turning our country’s sovereignty over to the UN and other wackoness that is Obama. McCain is not going to cause anymore war than Obama and his Afgan/Pakistan/war/escalated-Russian/China-meddling plans (see Brezinski) the US occupation of Iraq will not end no matter who gets to the White House. Issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc are not in jeopardy. McCain will have his hands full cleaning up Bush’s mess of the economy etc.
Don’t be fooled by a Hillary VP slot. Voting against Obama helps her in the long run. Voting against Obama nearly gives Hillary the White House in 2012. So voting against him is actually voting for her. What more do you need?
Plus it’s the biggest and most powerful message you can make. It’s payback time!
Remember Remember the Forth of November.
Initially, it was simply about his inexperience. But after seeing some of his success, it took me by surprise and I started digging into his background and voting record. Then I began to get concerned, and a bit suspicious. Which then escalated to outrage with his passive aggressive tactics against the Clintons, and ultimately the voters.
I’m not entirely sure what I will do in November except for one thing…I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BO!
Thank you for posting this. Good assesments.