Democrats Who Reject Obama
By Gene Lyons on May 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Electability, Hillary Clinton
Reprinted with the express permission of Gene Lyons | A syndicated columnist, Gene Lyons is also co-author (with Joe Conason) of The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton
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If Hillary Clinton had no other reason to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination, it would be to demonstrate that Tim Russert, Keith Olbermann, Maureen Dowd, David Broder and the Beltway media gasbags don’t decide American elections.
Last week, Sen. Barack Obama, the supposedly inevitable Democratic nominee, lost the West Virginia primary by 41 points. Democrats haven’t taken the presidency without winning the Mountain State since 1916. To use a geographically appropriate metaphor, if there has ever been a canary in coal mine primary, that was it. Naturally, the media consensus saw a meaningless result in a race they’d already called for Obama. Evidently, bitter West Virginia rednecks don’t watch cable-TV.
In 2000, the same pundit chorus urged Al Gore to quit in Florida for the sake of the country (and the Republican party). Everybody knows how that worked out. Today, Gore’s a Nobel laureate. George W. Bush, like Obama a uniter, not a divider, became the most unpopular, ineffective president in U.S. history. Ever heard any media princelings explain how they went so comprehensively wrong? Me neither.
If nominated, Obama can’t possibly defeat Sen. John McCain without bringing Clinton voters to him. Recently, however, I’ve been hearing from many passionate Democrats who say they can’t and won’t vote for him in November. So I asked a few to explain why.
Mine is no scientific survey. Ranging from 26 to 86, my correspondents live in seven states, north, south and midwest. They don’t know each other personally. None participates in politics except on a local, volunteer basis. I chose them because they’re unusually articulate.
Most think Obama a sure loser in the McGovern, Dukakis tradition. They believe he’s totally unqualified. “I‘ve voted for every Democrat from President to dog-catcher since 1952. That will end with Obama,” insists H., in Maine. “He won’t get 150 electoral votes, more than he deserves. The Democratic party’s been teetering on the edge of extinction. Obama’s arrogance will kill it…
“Just four years out of the state senate. If he were white or female, his candidacy would be a joke. Imagine if he’d opted to run for vice-president with Hillary. McCain would lose, Democrats would come close to 60 Senate seats and pick up 35 in the House. The Democratic left’s need to swoon after eight years of a moron, coupled with unbridled Clinton-hatred, will produce a disaster for the party and country.”
It’s the Obama campaign’s cynical use of race beginning in South Carolina that’s the deal-breaker for others. “He is making his way to Denver by dividing our party over race, which is maybe the most idiotic campaign tactic ever,” writes C. in Kansas. “This time the witch hunt is coming from our side. It’s heartbreaking. Obama supporters want you to think Bill and Hillary Clinton are lifelong members of the KKK. The audacity of hope campaign has had to audacity to go there…This fall, they’ll try to make nice and talk unity, but the people they alienated in the most hateful way won’t be there. They deserve to lose for being so callous and childish.”
J. in Florida agrees. “Obama and his supporters’ use of the ‘race card’ against the Clintons (with the help of the in-the-tank media) is sickening. Now we have vile, racist, crazed-for-power Hillary. Obama means to avoid the ‘divisiveness’ of the Clinton years by blaming it on them. That’s a despicable lie, and he knows it. The only way of avoiding divisiveness is to cave to the Republican agenda, which I believe he’s more than eager to do.”
“He and his supporters,“ J adds, “have systematically sacrificed the central constituency of the Democratic Party–the poor and working class–on the altar of constituencies who look to politics for reaffirmation of their identity: college students and childish Sixties neolibs. (The African-American constituency makes sense, so no gripes there.)”
By abandoning the principle of universality in health insurance, most think Obama has guaranteed that meaningful reform cannot be achieved. Z in Georgia adds that Obama’s vagueness on economic issues foretells disaster. “He has no perceptible position on the economy other than: ‘We can do better. Yes we can. Say it with me.’ I foresee broken campaign promises followed by belt-tightening austerity measures in a one-term Presidency. In short, Jimmy Carter in a better-tailored sweater.”
“I view the Obama candidacy as a narcissistic endeavor by a mediocre politician dividing Democrats along social vs. economic progressive lines,” J insists. “He’s forcing a choice between winning in 2008 and possibly saving Roe vs. Wade and promoting gay marriage versus abandoning the poor and working class.”
“I’ve decided I won’t help Obama and his personality cult transform the Democratic party into an organization that represents only the interests of rich social liberals.”
What do I think? I suspect most will grudgingly return by November, but that non-African-American working class voters won’t.
O/T but extremely relevant.
Please read Anglachel’s superb essay at
anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/05/legitimacy-not-unity.html
This should be required reading for every voter.
FL and MI were Obama’s first test of leadership in a Democracy and he failed miserably. For that reason alone he must not get any votes. I will not vote for him and will do everything in my power to stop him from getting elected.
Tried to do a real link for anglachel but getting caught in the spam filter, I guess. Pl. cut and paste and read. It is very good and not really off topic either. This Democrat completely rejects Obama.
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BAD FINGER DEMOCRATS
Obama/Obama ‘08
(Messiahs don’t do running mates)
ROFL!
LOL ditto.
Still I am partial to
Obama/Chomsky 08
You’ve got to nail down that critical Arugula loving/Hate America vote.
50 state defeat!!!
That is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Thanks for the laugh!!!!
ROFL! That’s hilarious, “bowling Gomer’s IQ.”
Can you imagine if he picks Gov. Kathleen Sebelius? Vice President “Sweetie”?
Of course the bite would be even worse if Vice President “Sweetie” were applied to any of the men he’s considering. Maybe Bill “Sweetie” Richardson?
The votes in Fl & MI happened without anyone knowing who Obama is. They knew Hillary. How can you call that a test of leadership in a democracy?
It was a contest of name recognition.
Come by and check out the latest Quinnipiac polls on 3 swing states. Not good news for someone, real good news for the other.
The NYT says people in FL who reject Obama
are either misinformed, or racist.
Typical. I get that everywhere … ‘you must be a racist if you don’t like obama’. (*roll eyes*)
Obama’s bought and paid for media outlet. Such articles are hurting him rather than helping him. He and the media’s constant race baiting is getting old and people are going to rebel against it.
Um… I’m one of those Florida voters who, like many others, is rejecting Obama after extensive and thoughtful research. Race, is absolutely NOT one of the factors that has gone into my decision to do all that I can, to see that this man does not make it into the White House. Unless perhaps, Hillary invites him over for a visit.
you mean the NYT that was the paper of record that took us to war for fake wmd????? That NYT???????
You mean the NYT that ran bullshit articles by Judith Miller who knew she was lying us into war..that NYT?????????
You mean the NYT that held back the story Bush secrets that he waslistening in on all our conversations and reading all of our emails illegally..until after the 2004 election..that NYT?????????
i really don’t give a fuck ..what the NYT says..
i was a 2004 elected delegate for the state of Florida ..and hell will freeze over ..and the devil will have to pass out ice cubes..before i would even think of voting for Obama..
Oh and NY Times…I am married to a double minority and my children are double minorities..so save your fucking racist bullshit NYTimes!..oh and NYTIMES..i have read everhting there is about Obama..I am not mis informed..oh and NY TIMES..i was a volunteer for Edwards and went to Iowa and SC and i was a co-captain for a caucus..i watched the cheating by Obama team with my own eyes …mis-informed? no NYTimes..it is you that is either mis-informed or totally a propaganda paper and that is illegal..so which is it NYTimes???????????
fly
fly,
Don’t hold back…. Tell us how you really feel.
Truthfully, thanks for your magnificent post. You just explained the whole Obama problem in a nutshell!
The exit polls showing that race mattered to some white voters and that most of them voted for Clinton is NOT proof of racism. It is Obama who has made his race a negative by associating with Rev Wright and a church with ties to the Nation of Islam. Many of us would have no problem voting for a qualified AA candidate but not for one who is tied to black groups that are racist.
If you liked this Gene Lyons article, you will love his books. I think they should be required reading for every Democrat, particularly “The Hunting of the President.” That book is a detailed description of the incredible lengths to which Republicans went to defeat Bill Clintons. A lot of it is not well known since our media was part of the problem and did not bother informing the public of what was going on. Obama has no clue what he is facing, but Hillary is well aware of what Republicans are capable of. Both she and Bill know how to beat their attack machine - although she is having problems beating our biased “mainstream” media. Check out today’s post at dailyhowler.com for a good example.
There’s a documentary, also. Worth a watch.
Don’t be coy, now, let’s tell it like it is:
May 22, 2008 - McCain Leads Obama In Two Of Three Key Swing States, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Clinton Has Big Leads In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania — FLORIDA: Clinton 48 - McCain 41; McCain 45 - Obama 41; OHIO: Clinton 48 - McCain 41; McCain 44 - Obama 40: PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton 50 - McCain 37; Obama 46 - McCain 40
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Plagued by a defection of Clinton supporters and white working class voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the leading Democratic presidential contender, trails Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican candidate, in Florida and Ohio, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today. Sen. Obama is six points ahead in Pennsylvania. New York Sen. Clinton wins handily in all three states. No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University polls show:
Florida: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain leads Obama 45 - 41 percent;
Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain tops Obama 44 - 40 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 50 - 37 percent; Obama leads McCain 46 - 40 percent.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=quinnipiac
this disabled Euro-mutt, over 50, divorced female veteran & mother
will NEVER vote for BHO
I am writing her in whether her name is there or not!!! I will not waver.
Bingo!!! And there are far more of us than one would guess. In my heart, I simply have to believe that the DNC idiots will wake up before August but they’ve done it many times before and I do believe it will be the end of the Democratic party… taken apart by this ephemeral piece of nothing… very sad but worse things have happened to this country.
Biggest problem I see with O is that he could pull off some of the horrible anti-Constitutional set-ups the Bush guys have put in place and when any of us (this should be a good trick for Keith O) complain, we will be racist. The divisiveness in this country is worse than I can ever remember it and that includes the ’60’s. Carry on MO and BO.
So, put me in the “write in” category. I just hopetogod that she considers a new third party.
To paraphrase Robert Palmer from “Bad Case of Loving You.(Doctor, Doctor}”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSjmw_7uIE
I need you
to sooth, obama, to play my headTurn my blue
heartstate to redA write in will help Obama not hurt him.
agree. i think he’s counting on us either writing in hillary or voting nader or staying home. he figures he can live without our votes, because mccain won’t have huge numbers either.
the one thing obambi can’t overcome is if we vote for mccain. that raises the number of votes obambi must get. and he has nowhere to get them. this is why i’ll vote mccain, after voting straight dem since 1972.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Yes and Hillary is far from out.
Big psych war push to pretend Hillary doesn’t exist this week from Obama.
I think Hillary and we have a thing or two to say about that!
Got a “survey” yesterday from the DNC masquerading as a fund raising attempt. Included a letter from HRC. I filled out the form as I want them to understand that her supporters are not as WHACKED and ill informed as his. Comments, I let them have it. Also, I wrote on her letter and sent it back as well. Said that I admired her to death but wouldn’t give them one damn dime to stab her in the back … do you think I was clear enough?
Love it!
I will not be coming around to vote for Obarfbag no matter how they try to lure me back. By fear roevwade which will not be overturned. The republicans need it to drive a wedge between voters of the parties. I will vote Mccain.
To all who will write in Hillary’s name. Please be carefull with this step, as in some states if you write in her name your vote will go by default to the democratic candidate. I suggest you research Ralph Nader and John Mccain as possible choices. I will be voting Mccain as a protest to Obarfbag. I have never voted Republican in my voting lifetime but will happily do so in November. Mccain is a moderate republican.
And remember McCain was Kerry first pick for VP so he can’t be objectionable to the party.
Agreed. Let McCain have it this time around. Then Hillary can run again ‘12. If BO is creamed in Nov, he won’t be relevant in ‘12.
‘ I suspect most will grudgingly return by November’
Um, I don’t.
I won’t, and the Clinton supporters I know won’t, either.
No. Voting McCain. And registered my 93 year old mother for an extra vote here in the swing state of Ohio ….
I don’t think so either. Something is getting started here. Women are angry and we’re not going to take it anymore. I feel the next phase of women’s rights movement coming.
Also, it is not so simple as “I want my candidate or I’m protesting by the voting the other party”. There are hundreds of reasons to never vote for Obama and he gives us more every day.
I’m voting McCain if Obama is the nominee. Anyone who wants to can say women will change our minds. My take? Hell will freeze over before we’ll vote for Barack Hussein Obama.
GRASSROOTS VISUAL ACTION…WALK A MILE IN OUR SHOES…a message to the DNC for TV … whose goal is to hold viewers for the next commercial–and women make a lot of purchasing decisions.
http://www.walkamileinourshoes.org/
Tell the Democratic National Committee: Don’t Walk Away From Our Winning Base! Walk A Mile In Our Shoes.
Send a pair of shoes to the DNC TODAY deadline May 26th 2008.
Request that the DNC donate the shoes to women’s shelters & recycle packaging.
SEND SHOES BY MAY 26th! (That’s a holiday.)
See web page for more information.
Thanks! I have a pair of old smelly sneakers that I think I will send to them with a message that these sneakers may smell but are nothing close to the stink of the DNC leadership in 2008.
No just phony charges of racism have been SOP for the obama campaign.
Does anybody remember the “Clinton gave an interview to Rush” lie? When that was disproved did anybody that had a hand in spreading that canard apologize?
No, but Rush’s topic de jour is how Hillary is standing up for the people today in her fight for the vote.
(Hillary’s right. Rush has a crush on her.)
Gee Ann you forgot to hand out the barf bags! But that is funny!
I’m printing this one out to share with any fellow Democrat actually interested in why so many in the base are rejecting Obama. The tactic of blaming the base for seeing problems with Obama and the way he has run his campaign in backasswards in my opinion. The focus belongs on the party elite and the same special interest media that brought us GWB and appears set on bringing us GWB II. The problem is not the rank and file of the Democratic Party. The bad apples are at the top.
so true.
isn’t it odd that the democratic party blames the voters for not doing what it wants? funny, i always thought the democratic party was supposed to like voters.
guess i was wrong.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Obama has already lost. The political machinations, the callous use of disenfranchisement and divisiveness to achieve his ends will guarantee that even if elected, he cannot govern effectively. There have been people throughout history who rationalized their actions in pursuit of power by thinking that they would do wonderful things in expiation if they gained that power. But it virtually never happens; they are never believed, trusted or able to unite, and their past and their essential nature (which never went away) always catches up with them. See: Nixon, R; Bush, G; and many others.
Obama has deliberately split the Democratic Party, in essence threatened it base of working-class voters with marginalization and irrelevancy if they do not buy into this messianic narrative. His goal, purely for political gain, is to purge the Clintons from the Party and disparage their achievements. The coalition that he puts together might win in this incredibly anti-Republican year (just like Carter’s held up one time), but it will never last. And when it fails, the extreme right-wing, which never liked McCain anyway, will be back with someone perhaps more awful than our current President. By that time, with the Democratic base so marginalized and disaffected, the end result will be worse than if Obama had simply lost in the first place. But it won’t be worse for Obama, who doesn’t care about anything more than his own power and self-aggrandizement. Does anyone really think that he actually cares about the lives of ordinary people? That he is a caring, compassionate man? He’s just someone with a fairly effective speaking cadence who is allowing himself to be used by various forces who either hate the Clintons, hate America, hate Israel, or just see governing along the lines of voting on “American Idol.” He’ll take it, thank you; but we will end up suffering for it.
Isn’t it ironic that the uniter got his start by dividing the party? I don’t see his basic tactics changing with the presidency either. He’ll do to the nation what he’s done to the party.
No, his goal is to change America for its inhabitants from a relatively free republic to a Marxist nation, Nation of Islam, or communist nation or some combination thereof. Make no mistake about that.
Remember all the groups that Donna Brazile so aptly described as irrelavent [and urged them to STAY HOME in the general election] to the NEW coaltion and the Democratic Party: old people, Latinos, blue collar working class, women,the undereducated [which she/they must correlate to being stupid], and oh, did I mention WOMEN?
After the general election, let it be long remembered that the media, pundits, commentators and undeclared politicians helped destroy at least the Democratic Party, if not our nation!
God help America and Americans!
“will be back with someone perhaps more awful than our current President” and that someone is named jeb.
Obama apparently decided quite some time ago that he will be happy to go down in history as the first African American to ever win a Major Party Nomination. He must realize that he can’t win the Presidency now.
So congratulations Barack, if the DNC gets its way you will soon be on a list along with Horace Greeley, James Cox, Alf Landon, Adlai Stevenson, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis- Guys Who Lost and Lost Big.
Can anyone tell me if a major party has ever gone out of it’s way to reject a candidate who can win for one who obviously cannot? Because that’s what the Democrats are apparently about to do.
He’s in Florida right now trying to dodge an orange pelting.
Don’t let them kid you. Oranges HURT when they hit you!!
I’ve dodged a few (and been hit by a few) in my life growing up down there. Older brother/younger sister - oranges on the ground - it’s simple math! LOL
Oh I know they hurt. We had a home down there for decades. I sold it in 2002 after my mother died. Oranges hurt. They also taste great off the tree!
Oooh, what a great idea. People should start attending his rallys & boo him & protest him & the media. I wonder if the media would report it.
Yes, and it will incite people. It’s clear he’s willing to blame racism, and that may be the only true agenda in his entire book. To draw attention to racism.
Funny it wasn’t supposed to be about “race,” until he said it was, right?
I figured out early on to listen to him carefully and then realize he was about to go opposite.
That’s a fake play in basketball, which he loves.
When did he say it was about racism? Cite some examples of Obama saying something about him losing about racism.
I won’t vote for Obama in the Fall because of several key points.
1. I’m appalled by the elitist attitude towards working class Americans. I am not interested in this agenda. I believe that they will be kicked to the curb in real terms yet again. I believe that is stupid. I believe that we cannot be strong economically or otherwise without a solid middle class. I believe that they are essentially being told to either become managers and techies or go to the poverty class. That is very, very stupid thinking.
2. I’m appalled by the irresponsibility of the candidate himself in playing the race card. That is dangerous to incite people in our country. We walk a fine line. It’s one thing to activate people on behalf of rights. It’s quite another to activate hate, and that’s exactly what he did through his minions. That tells me that he’s dangerous and will, in fact, manipulate anger in people for his own ends. He does not actually care about people if he’s willing to do that.
3. I’m convinced that the party leaders want a president in their pocket. This primary isn’t about change at all. It is about staying the same. The problem is that we actually do need to see some real work and change out of Washington or it’s going to get worse.
4. I’m convinced that supporting a party which has been so obviously willing to stand by and allow the sexism to run unchecked, the obvious lies to run unchallenged, and the insane pressures for a highly viable candidate to quit from almost the beginning, proved that the agenda was more about fighting Clinton than about admiring Obama. I believe that is corrupt. When you ignore principles because of some egotistical agenda, you are, by definition, corrupt and should not earn my vote.
5. I believe that Obama is mostly just interested in personal power and glory. Ambition without true passion is useless. He, personally, is not worthy of support in my eyes.
6. I believe the Democratic Party has proven to be inept, highly unprofessional, and needs a thorough housecleaning. I intend to focus my own energies on supporting some downticket candidates who have a clue. I’m optimistic that a thorough loss in the Fall would send the right message that we demand better than what we are seeing. We’ll back good, solid candidates. But we will NOT be bamboozled.
That message will set the stage for an overdue and very needed revision of the party.
This business of backroom shenanigans and lying to the public should stop.
It would almost be worth it just to see Donna Brazile’s hissy fit on the day after the election after Barky gets McGoverned.
I think Keith’s or Jamal’s or Roland’s or Mica’s or Rachel’s might be just as good!
I want to watch their pudgy cheeks, furrowed brows and pursed lips ALL explode!
figuratively of course! doh!
can’t even use that word anymore either!
all these things we can no longer either talk about or enjoy due to GW (mostly)
I can’t enjoy the band BUSH, the band RUSH, now we have to tip toe on egg shells for the touchy race baiters
argh!
don’t forget russert and borger and olbermann and….. the list is so long.
and then i want to hear about (will never watch them again) nbc/msnbc and cnn explaining that all of the above have left their jobs to “pursue other opportunities”, always short for FIRED.
Dear Annin: Your great I wish you would send your all the undecided super delegates. You make better sense than I did but I did write each and every one of them just now. I love your take on things, I remember each of trying to post on Huffington Post and getting bombarded with such hate and disrepect. I’m sure you already know but here is the list again:
LemireDahlman@rangeweb.net
stephanie_schriock@tester.senate.gov
montanaflyfish@yahoo.com
joycebrayboy@gmail.com
judgebutterfield@aol.com
jcouncil@co.cumberland.nc.us
jmeek@ncdp.org
geri_gaginis@conrad.senate.gov
elizabeth_gore@dorgan.senate.gov christy_beach@dorgan.senate.gov
dhannaher@hannahers.com
maxsonlaw@minot.com
reneepf@btinet.net
strauss_david@msn.com
mwake@medicine.nodak.edu
achelpohl@usa.net
katfahey@cox.net
franklamere@msn.com
melanie_rogge@bennelson.senate.gov
dostergard@neb.rr.com
vimapo@aol.com
martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us
dnorcross@snjaflcio.org
danaredd999@yahoo.com
crs@ntuaft.com
fharris@unm.edu
teresa_benitez@hotmail.com
steven@stevenhorsford.com
kittyspraggins@aol.com
egoubeaux@woh.rr.com
m.mallory@att.net
lanamclin@aol.com
nsonnyn@aol.com
tekicatt@aol.com
rwhitten@whittenburragelaw.com
mzlivability@yahoo.com
jen@defazioforcongress.org
info@jasonaltmire.com
ccampbell215@msn.com
james_brown@casey.senate.gov sara_mabry@casey.senate.gov
chafinlawfirm@charter.net
pmurphy@murphy06.com
celita_a_de_r@hotmail.com
gcobbhun@BellSouth.net
waringsh@bellsouth.net
carol@fowlercommunications.com
jackbillion@sio.midco.net
drey_samuelson@johnson.senate.gov sonja_dean@johnson.senate.gov
mnemec@sullybuttes.net
stroschein@nrctv.com
rep.loisdeberry@legislature.state.tn.us
BrooksViceChair@aol.com
ydavis2455@aol.com
olga@pgog.net
al@aledwards.com
chris@chetedwards.com
denise_johnson@ibew.org
bjenellhamlett@mail.house.gov
moses.mercado@ogilvygr.com
senfronia.thompson@publicans.com
wholland@utdemocrats.org
crbenjamin1019@yahoo.com
jbevans@coatchworksfarm.com
icarleton@vtdemocrats.org
kevin_mcdonald@leahy.senate.gov
chuckr@gmavt.net
patnotter@gmail.com
cewaliser@hotmail.com
wisgov@gov.state.wi.us
mary_irvine@feingold.senate.gov will_sebern@feingold.senate.gov
steve@kagen4congress.com
ellisshir@sbcglobal.net
raejason@yahoo.com
lissa7453@yahoo.com
wineke10@charter.net
beth_provenzano@rockefeller.senate.gov kerry_ates@rockefeller.senate.gov
pjorgensen@jorgensenassociates.com
jmillin@cheyenneeyeclinic.com
constance@cborde.com
liv.gibbons@gmail.com
boleary1@bloomberg.net
All my best.
You can add me to that list also … Dakinikat@aol.com
I’m moderated now over there and not for anything vitriolic at all. I just dared to ask why Obama doesn’t seem to be able to answer questions of substance but he’s great reading off the teleprompter after the Des Moines Annointment party
don’t bother emailing Vince Powers.
He is in the tank for Obama. I sent out the letter to supers and he emailed me back and said “There would be more people voting for Obama than there would be sore loser and who dont care about the America and thats why Obama will be the next President.”
I thought for a moment that maybe DOnna brazile was in his office at the time so i responded and he emailed back again saying “Sore losers like you dont care about the future of america”
Let me know if you want to se the full exchange.
You are so sweet! And thanks for the list. I have a confession. I’m really new to this blog stuff, so I didn’t get the “fans” thingie at all. Someone said something one day, “You’re just jealous because she has so many fans.” That was the day I finally found this fan deal, and I was shocked.
Having said that, let me share that I was banned from Huffington Post. I swear I never violated the stated policy, but I was banned. I went back under a different name, got banned again promptly.
Third times a charm.
They do not wish to have posters that aren’t probably like a lot like the founder. Rigid thinkers…..not really lifelong Democrats….not used to the compromising that goes on when you’ve hung in with a party for over 30 years. They are newcomers. They want the logo power. They aren’t interested in our principles.
The logo power, however, comes from our give and take with one another. We’re ferocious on this matter.
That’s why the race is now where it is.
We’re appalled by this “takeover.” This is a takeover fight.
It’s way bigger than Hillary.
Just my 2 cents.
But thanks, and I LOVE the list. I will peruse it and try to get familiar with the handles.
I’m, as I said, not really all that sophisticated in either the political intricacies or the on-line world.
Heck, it too me months to find a pro-Hillary blogging site. LOL*
I was flummoxed for a long time.
(Because I am so clueless, I didn’t click on related sites.)
Boy, I feel like a whiz today. I’m so proud I know what Confluence is.
Lyons brings up an excellent point right away. Has anyone forgotten the staggering bad judgment of the media from the Gore/Bush days? I haven’t. How can those “gasbags” sit there so smugly when they so flat-out wrong about Gore. The media single-handedly gave us George Bush. The Supreme Court? Well yeah, they played a role. However, it was the media that put the election close enough to steal for the republicans. Al Gore was painted as a liar, a bore, unpopular, and a joke. Every tiny misspeak was treated as a insurmountable character flaw (Bosnia sinper story much?) George Bush? Painted as the fun guy, the popular guy, the sexy guy. His photos (like Obama’s today on AP) resembled religious icons with light beaming behind his head like a divine aura.
Time Magazine this week has a cover with the words: And the winner is…. And a full page photo of Obama. There is an asterisk next to the sentence, and the words: *We’re really sure this time.
The media may be madly in love with Obama or are they carrying the water for the republicans again? Destroying the best hope to beat McCain? So if they succeed in crowning Obama the nominee, against the will of at least half the Democrats, and he fails in a spectacular McGovern fashion, will people THEN stop listening to them??
The media will turn on him like Junk Yard dogs. They have been seasoning him for the Republicans. They want him good and basted so he doesn’t know what hit him. Remember, these are the same people who gave us George Bush. Twice.
Hansel!!! Gretal!!!! Don’t go in to that Gingerbread HOUSE
they will BASTE you and EAT you!!!
LOL!
Marinated and basted. What’s that Obama says, “all fired up and ready to go?” That’s the BBQ you fool, and you’re what’s for dinner.
Yttik: Thanks for that I sure needed a good laugh today. Go Hillary. We are with you all the way.
and the Iraq war.
It is a total rerun. The media plays it the same, and who do they work for? The Republican Party? I don’t think so. They work for General Electric and others of the MIC . They have s tremendous appetite - and need- for money. I don’t think they’re putting Obama up just to knock him down. He’s their guy, and they’ll handle the general election one way or another.
Who…Annie Oakley, I think you’re right: he will be much easier to control than McCain. He will owe political favors to every SOB out there, too. He’s a goldmine.
Well, I for one, will have no problem in helping with the shellacking Obama is going to get in Nov. if he’s the nominee. Q poll says that 25-35% of the party will jump ship if he’s the nominee. And frankly, I’d rather lose than have another Carter who set off 12 years of Republican rule. We can stumble through the next 4 with McCain or have decades of this crap after one unlikely term of Obama.
Has McKook REALLY promised to only run ONE term???? If he signed that in blood I might consider it
IF Hillary is not the nominee
you all are doing a good job of convincing me today
I’m getting really irritated with the assumption that we are all
gonna fall in line like good little democratic soldiers and vote
for Bambi if he is the nominee come November. For the final
time – I WON’T.
It’s not the rabid Democrats one should worry about — most will return. It’s the switchers, the so-called Reagan Democrats. Moderate Republicans, too, who are very unhappy about the Bush years.
I’m a strong Dem, but right now I’m 50-50 if Obama is the nominee. I figure that with a strong Democratic congressional majority, McCain will have to be careful. And McCain is not mentally unbalanced like W is. McCain may have a temper, but that is not a sign of craziness. And, having worked in DC for 30 years, I yelled at a few people too. Some bureaucrats are just awful — and it’s almost impossible to fire them.
If McKook picks a decent VP
I might consider voting for him if BO gets the nod ONLY if HILLARY doesn’t get the VP spot or run a 3rd party.
I’m for HILLARY first. IF McKook picks a far right winger to offset his “maverick on viagra” ways then I might (MIGHT) have to move to another country.
lol no but seriously
4 years ago, I was a Howard Dean democrat.
I never thought he would use his position for personal vendetta.
Hillary does “like and admire” John.
So I bet SHE has a temper too. I’m ok with that as well. I have a temper. (did I need to admit the obvious?)
(chuckle)
BO will Never be President.
Don’t worry people
I’m not worried
agree that the reagan democrats will switch. they came back for bill. they’ll leave now.
i, however, was a rabid democrat. and i’m leaving. i truly believe that there are millions like me. and if rabid dems depart in droves, that really says something.
hillary or mccain. no other option.