Typical Obama Supporters Disingenuously Misinterpret Clinton Open Thread [Updates]
By Truthteller on May 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Cultist Thugs, David Axelrod, Hate Speech, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking, Misogyny, Obamedia, Open Thread, Sexism
Obama supporters are sexist and violent. This comment in moderation penned by a certain Stop Hillary Now is emblematic:
Stop Hillary Now | jkldjlkj@jlkjkldj.net | IP: 98.145.181.16
“We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing calls to drop out.
Hillary is batshit, Liebercrat crazy.
Fuck her with a pitchfork.
May 23, 3:28 PM — [ Edit | Delete ] — View post “Would You Buy An ObamaMobile From Tom Friedman?”
I guess typical Obama supporters are incapable of understanding that Hillary cited an historical example in order to illustrate how long the nomination process usually is. I quote Clinton Campaign Communications Director Howard Wolfson:
“She was talking about the length of the race and using the ‘68 election as an example of how long the races in the past have gone — she used her husband’s race in the same vein.”
Why should she withdraw in May when past contents extended into June and up to the convention? And why do Obamabots insist on misinterpreting the comment she uttered during her interview with the Argus Leader’s Editorial Board earlier today? Expect them to swarm around this comment as so many hungry and desperate vultures.
[UPDATES courtesy of Breeze] Hillary issued a clarification of her remarks. I quote it in full, as it is very compelling.
“I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That’s a historic fact,” she said.
“The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy,” she added, referring to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. “I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.
“My view is that we have to look to the past to our leaders who have inspired us, give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the Kennedy family[.]“
And here is a transcription of her statement as it appeared during her interview with the Editorial Board of the Argus Leader today:
HRC: People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.
Q: Why?
HRC: I don’t know. I don’t know. I find it curious. Because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. And historically, that makes no sense. So I find it a bit of a mystery.
Q: So you don’t buy the party unity argument?
HRC: I don’t because again I’ve been around long enough.
My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?
We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is.
Q: What is your speculation?
HRC: I don’t know. I find it curious. And I don’t want to attribute motives or strategies to people because I don’t really know, but it’s a historical curiosity to me.
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By the way, Stop Hillary Now is also the same user who has posted variations of the following under multiple pseudonyms:
Hilary Supports OBAMA! | dsfjkljlk@jkljklj.net | IP: 98.145.181.16
Hillary will campaign & vote for Obama.
Liebercrats & McCainiacs will vote for an asshole.
Hillary is smarter than you.
Follow her lead, or not.
We’ll win without you.
May 23, 2:23 PM — [ Edit | Delete ] — View post “A Shout Out to Barack and Dave”
Sometimes this ostensible representative of feminism exhorts women to cast their votes for Obama, as Hillary has stated that she will support Obama if he is the Democratic nominee. He even claims we are sexist if we do not support the candidate who has exploited misogyny for electoral gain. I quote again:
Hillary supports Obama. | dfsfnne@jldsuiof.net | IP: 98.145.181.16
Hillary wants you to vote for Obama if he’s the nominee.
Why are you disrespecting her?
That’s sexist of you.
Be smart.
Like Hillary.
May 22, 9:08 PM — [ Edit | Delete | Unapprove | Spam ] — Email Exchange with Howard Dean
Be prepared to be hoodwinked and bamboozled, for the Obamabots will penetrate and impale you if you do not yield to their misogynistic pressure. They will also misconstrue your statements.
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LOL! Latest poll in GA says Obama gets 35% of the vote in a general election. The obama contention is just as crazy as the bushbots.
Never elected Bush is really milking it for all it’s worth, isn’t he? Yet another trip to Europe on the taxpayer dime coming up in June. He’s a disgrace to the world but still insists on asserting his “importance”. Without a doubt, Bush is the dumbest man surrounded by the most incompetent administration that ever existed.
“Obama supporters are sexist and violent.”
…. and anti-white (the black ones anyways), and anti-Jew, and glassey-eyed, and bamboozled and caught up in the rhetoric of a crooked liar to the point that they have shut off their brains.
OBAMA LISTEN UP – If you are reading this – I’ll never vote for you. Even if Hillary is your VP. She’s too qualified to walk behind you. And don’t bother blaming it on alleged racism on my part .. it’s because of YOUR racism (and empty rhetoric, and lies, and corruption).
You tell em Emily Stickett…. ignoramus!! lol
In the same spirit as my post under the heading “Give Dave Dial some love”, this cherry-picking of comments is ridiculous. I read here just the other day that it was “too bad that Obama didn’t have a brain tumor, instead of Ted Kennedy”.
Please look in the mirror folks….
The problem is people tend to view politics as a game, not understanding they are fucking with national security, whether ours, or say, Israel’s.
Do you think it’s like a movie?
Or don’t you know?
I think you dont have a clue.
I don’t know what you mean, no. I am making an observation that the picking of stupid comments in the latest couple of diaries here is simply a ridiculous tactic — by the way, often used by right-wingers of late to attack HuffPo and Kos and various other blogs (they could certainly use that technique to attack this one. Take a look…). All you have to do to see vile hatred of “the other” is look in the comments here.
And you have moved from that to talking about something else and calling me clueless. Though I’m not trying to cause trouble — just trying to hold up a mirror — the clueless comment is not unexpected. It’s what this blog is about.
agree Emily, I wont vote for him under any circumstances either, and there are millions of us…
Emily,
Your remarks are sick.
Obama is not anti white. He is not anti-Jew. He is not glassy-eyed.
As far as I can tell, you are a racist, hiding behind disgusting lies to justify your refusal to support a black man.
Just to be clear, I am white and I am a Jew. I’m probably even a little glassy-eyed at times. I am more impressed with Obama every time I hear him speak. Your Republican smears are not going to dissuade the millions of people who are going to make Obama their President.
Yes.. Green Eagle, you are inspired every time you hear David Axelrod’s words spoken by Obama, unfortunately Obama’s best lines and most often quoted are not only written by Axelrod (a middle aged white guy and that former Reagan speechwriter), but they’ve been used before by Deval Patrick and some TV character.
Easily duped much?
It’s the man who impresses me, not the words.
In other words, you are not concerned with substance.
Thank you for admitting once again that Obama supporters are low information voters.
Excellent piece
UK New Statesman, Hating Hilary
“History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes – rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which – sooner rather than later, I fear – will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.”….read more
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media
Omigod, that’s brutal! I just sent a part of it to CNN, in regards to a statement Gloria Berger made (”I don’t see any sexism or misogyny directed toward Hillary Clinton by the press or anyone. I don’t know what everyone’s talking about.”)
Another quote that should resonate with the people on this blog:
And this:
I for one will remember the sexist media and never forget nor forgive.
Sexism has always been with us — any woman (if she is truthful) has experienced many incidences of sexism. But Obama’s campaign has been deliberately using sexism as a way to market himself.
This isn’t about Political correctness — it is about deliberate hate speech toward the largest segment of this Nation.
I agree that there has been sexism in the media but what has Obama done that has been sexist? I don’t really care which one is the nominee, I just want a democrat, but I’d have to say that Hillary’s unelectable argument is pretty shocking. I just haven’t seen Obama claiming she can’t win because she’s a woman but she is obviously claiming he can’t win because he’s black. And why in God’s holy f’ing name are people not going to vote for the Democrat??? Who cares which one…the country is on a steep cliff and John McCain is not going to pull it back.
It was only a matter of time before the Obama campaign directed their bloggers this way to start pleading unity.
When did Hillary ever say Obama couldn’t win, because he’s black? It’s “obvious” to you but not to anyone else here. If you think Hillary supporters are racist then best run along to The Huffington Post or Daily Kos or TPM.
Thanks for link, fantastic article.
Really lays it out the way it is.
apparently hillary did make the robert kennedy assassination comment in an interview with an SD newspaper. unfortunately, this will dominate the news for the coming days and weeks. cant help her in terms of public opinion
I could tell when I read it what she meant (that campaigns have continued into June) but that won’t stop the media, no.
I find it so distasteful that it was the Obama camp that fired off immediately regarding her comment. It’s like they have no brains at all… anyone reasonable understands her comment. But they look for anything they (and the tingly legged media) can use to trash her.
Considering Robert Kennedy’s son is one of her big supporters, I really doubt that it was meant with any malice… I mean, what in the world could that comment have meant other than the way it was spoken?
Translated for the idiot obama supporters who are already harping on this. She meant that Robert Kennedy was still campaigning in June, when he was shot. How hard is that for the media to figure out, too?
You’re right, though, like the ridiculous media feeding frenzy on a small misstatement about Bosnia, I can see that the Obama assholes will be driving this story. All it will take is a simple statement from RFK, Jr. to shut them up.
Geez.. if ONLY this election was about the issues. sigh
The Obama camp is stupid.
They now have kept Hillary in the news. And she can get a slew of national TV interviews out of this if she wants where she will appear human and also be in the face of America where the Obama people really don’t want her. So the more they push, the better since Hillary actually did nothing wrong and the apology will be accepted by everyone except the clueless Obamabots.
Robert Kennedy was still campaigning in June because the primaries were later in the year then (for instance, California was in mid-June instead of February). Even ignoring the assassination aspect, what she was arguing makes no sense. Same with Bill Clinton in 1992. He didn’t mathematically clinch the nomination until June but his opponents had already conceded weeks before then because he had an insurmountable lead. Like Obama does now. Her examples don’t support the point you’re making.
1. Bill Clinton’s opponents did not all concede weeks before. Jerry Brown was still in the race, and would have had an outside shot of winning the nomination had he won his home state of California handily. Hillary’s point is that Jerry Brown’s decision to let all voters have their say in the nomination process, through his exercising of his right to stay in it, did not hurt the party’s interests at all in the long run, as Bill still won the presidency.
2. It doesn’t matter whether the primaries were held later in the year then. The point is that everyone felt assured back then that coming to a decision on who the nominee would be at a slightly later date wouldn’t hurt the party’s nominee in the fall, and there’s no reason for everyone to feel differently about this now. On the contrary, taking a little more time to think through both candidates’ strengths, weaknesses, and electability will help ensure that we do not, in the end, make a rash and foolish decision that we will later regret.
nothing wrong with what she said
nothing wrong with her LBJ comment either
if they cant fund something to whine about they make something up
the operative word was June….
Ginaswo- typo or freudian slip. You’re totally correct, either way.
It’s nonsense.
Well, I am not sure which is worse. To be impaled by a pitchfork or to have your name and birdshot and eaten for dinner mentioned in the same post. The following was posted about me and a pro Hillary comment I made on another blog. Nice, eh?????
“If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…fill it with birdshot and eat it for dinner. The Hon Sen Clinton would surely agree with me, seeing as that she is such a big fan of hunting and guns.
(Note: i’m not suggesting that anyone should shoot and eat bert. I have nothing against cannibalism in general, but it is not suitable for polite company and we have not reached that level of bitterness yet.) “
well bert dont feel bad there is a whole website dedicated to posting comments by Taylor Marsh posters -likely a guy playing GrandTheftAuto18 in his mom’s basement posting all day about HRC supporters-how sad
As Hillary would say it is a perverse form of flattery they are so enamored of what we say and do and consider us so powerful…revvs me up to do more…
I’m with the lady in the pants suit ALL THE WAY TO DENVER AND THE WHITE HOUSE BABY!!
BOOYAH!!!
HILLYEAH!!!
I am totally with Hillary and I don’t care what she does, even if she goes out and robs convenience stores in a mask.
I am trying to make a point that Obama supporters don’t care what he does, they are unreasonable and they make up crap on Hillary.
Hillary has integrity, and is a very honorable lady who loves her country and wants to serve it.
The only way that I would NOT vote for her is if Obama would be on her ticket and I would never vote for him period no matter what. McCain gets my vote then as it goes with millions of other ladies across our country. So be it.
Check out these stats on the Hillary Electability tsunami. It’s a big wave of real change.
“Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told The Post, “She was talking about the length of the race and using the ‘68 election as an example of how long the races in the past have gone — she used her husband’s race in the same vein.”
Again, in trying to frame an argument in an historical context, Hillary’s batshit haters will ride this donkey as far as it will take them.
If I were her, I’d apologize and make a very deep statement. She might want to remember what Floyd Patterson said when he was fighting Muhammed Ali. “I was fighting for the Championship. Ali was making history.”
She might want to frame something like this within a context of how she, too, is making history, but for some reason, his is more important and how the constant calls for her to get out of the race diminishes her candidacy as well as the aspirations of her supporters who identify with her.
But I’d be careful if I were Barack and his supporters. They could over spin this and it will work against them. They’ve certainly done it before.
Knowing them, they won’t be able to contain themselves, so I figure by the time I get back from errands, this will be another dead horse they’ve tried to beat to no avail.
They are already throwing fits in Obama Underground.
I don’t think Hillary should apologize. She’s had to apologize for every little thing she says and it’s getting ridiculous. I think there is nothing to apologize for. What needs to come from Hillary’s camp is silence on it… and RFK, Jr., to make a comment that he knew exactly what she meant, and why are they trying to twist things to suit them?
I agree. She shouldn’t be manipulated this way.
don’t you just love how obama people are above “gottcha” poltics?
i say bring it. there will be no excuse when we hit back with ALL of Obama’s “mistatements”.
the claim that she was suggesting that somebody could kill obama doesn’t pass the laugh test (at least not with people who are not already in the tank for obama). all it does is compound obama’s problem–he can’t reach into hillary’s base or connect with the people whom he needs to connect with to win.
some people never learn. this won’t get him or the msm any traction. it will only make his general election prospects worse if (heaven forbid) he gets the nominantion.
Oh yeah this poster is a real piece of work.
As for that bobby kennedy remark, why I posted the same thing months ago as an example of how long primaries have been known to go on. And how come everything is all about Barky anyhow? What an egomaniac.
You’ve got to go over to Ameribamablog and read Aravosis’ ranting about the Kennedy remark. Not only has his “cheese slid completely off his cracker”, but now the cracker has molded too!
She simply explained that his primary was going on in JUNE, just as Bill Clinton’s did…as examples of reference of primaries that have gone thru JUNE. What a crock. As if she’s going to head for the hills. Who even mentioned Barky? The guy is so wrapped up in himself. It’s not all about Barky Obama. In fact to some of us NOTHING is about Barky Obama.
The only people this matters to are Barky people who will sqwak, so she will have to “splain” to them. Bunch of asshole Marxists who think all roads lead to them. What the hell makes these people think that’s going to make Barky a president. He’s never going to be President. These people are so focused on the battle they can’t even see they won’t win the war. Bunch of self absorbed assholes just like their Messiah.
Well the Race Card stopped working. lol.
Good grief! Obama supporters sure can be violent and sexist. I’ve lost track of all the offensive comments, but they all seem to involve doing something nasty and violent to women in sexual ways.
“Fuck her with a pitchfork.”
It’s like suddenly being invaded by a bunch of serial killing cult members. Which, given Obama’s connection to Bill Ayer’s and Ayers wife’s praise of Charles Mansion, may not be too far fetched.
Just for the record assholes, threatening sexual violence towards women is the equivlent of telling a black guy you’re going to get a rope. It’s unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
Their follower would do THEM with a pitchfork if he, by some freak accident, became president. Especiall his Girls.
“Obama supporters sure can be violent and sexist. I’ve lost track of all the offensive comments…”
Of course you have “lost track” of every single alleged piece of evidence to support your vile charges
“It’s like suddenly being invaded by a bunch of serial killing cult members.”
So, Obama’s supporters are violent, sexist serial killing cult members (not that you bother to cite a single example of such behavior).
Your attitude is disgusting. It is actually lower than Republican swift-boating. At least no Republican accused Gore or Kerry of being a serial killer. I suspect that you are so deranged that there is no way to get you to understand this, but the rest of us must stand up to this kind of behavior if we want to regard ourselves as somehow superior to Bush and McCain.
Time for Michelle’s tape.
Your right threatening a woman should not be tolerated by by anyone but it is and it has been for years, because we still got the great men’s club. But the get a rope comment? Rasicm Rascism, because there are black men in the MEN’S CLUB.
I’m afraid the supporters will never, ever let us forget this, I know what Hillary meant, BUT SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID IT! These obama people are vicious and this is going to escalate for the weeks to come, this may do her in unless the michele tape or a sinclair tape breaks in the main media.
For weeks, obama supporters have already been claiming that Hillary is is planning on having barack assassintated – this is ALL THEY NEEDED.
Not good at all.
Don’t get upset. Consider the sources and forget them. It’s nonsense.
layla said:
“For weeks, obama supporters have already been claiming that Hillary is is planning on having barack assassintated”
I follow politics very closely, and I have never heard any such thing. Would you like to provide some evidence to support this malignant claim?
I doubt it.
By the way, your internet name is a disgrace to Patty Boyd.
More than one has claimed, often half-joking, that if she were his vice-presidential pick that she would try to kill him.
Once again, no evidence.
Put up or shut up, you malicious asshole.
Here are just a couple friend. There are thousands out there! Take a couple of seconds to Google things before you say they don’t exist.
http://www.thinknetinc.com/politics/ItemID=12102812502442
and
http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=1145
Dear Ulahane,
I didn’t know that the lifelong Republican David Gergen was an Obama supporter.
Your first citation above refers to a remark by Gergen. The second one refers to “some pundits”, presumably a reference to Gergen’s remark, since no actual names are mentioned.
Sorry. You have yet to come up with a single example of an actual Obama supporter making such a remark. Want to try again, or would you like to just shut up and leave politics to grownups?
we’re waiting!
“She would be a constant discipline problem, always acting in her own self-interest, trying to make Obama look bad, and sabotaging his Presidency so that she could run against him again in 4 years. Plus, frankly, with her new mafioso persona, I wouldn’t put it past her to hatch an internal assassination plot just to force the reins of power into her hands at last. (”At last… at LAST! Mwa-ha-ha-HA!”)”
From the Daily Kos . Or are you going to claim that the Daily Kos is a pro-McCain site. Now either bother to to your own research or ask your mommy and daddy to do it for you.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/6/20586/32262/169/510375
If you want proof, go to CNN political ticker, and look for the headlines on the RFK remark. You’ll find every kind of concievable threat and insult there from Obama supporters. Also go to ABC News, find The Note, by Jake Tapper, look for the article where Clinton says she will go all the way to the convention, and the one they report Bill Clinton was pushing for the VP spot for Hillary. You’ll find comments there insinuating that Hillary would only take the VP spot so she could do Obama in and then be President. It doesn’t take much reading to find every possible line of BS that people can throw out at Hillary. If you don’t see it, its because you don’t want to.
Obama has nothing else left in his bag of hope then to run down Hillary. If I was the nominee, I wouldn’t have my people saying anything about her.
How about the comment about his grandmother– an average white person.
How about I couldn’t disown Rev. Wright. We should ask the press to corner the good reverend and ask him how he feels about his pupil.
Hillary Clinton has a ton more experience with the Kennedy’s than Obama. To point out how fast things can change in the times we live in just brings home the point, you must be ready for anything.
Perhaps his supporters forget what JFK said.. we will be prepared to fight any foe (paraphrase). When you want to be president you can’t not think about tomorrow, next year or the next five years.
I personally don’t think she had anything to have
to apologize about, because she had already men-
tioned that Bill himself was campaigning ’til the
middle of June.
The Obama contingent immediately jumped on it, be-
fore anybody else even noticed.
HERE’S THE APOLOGY:
(Wish we had one for every time THE ONE said something we found offensive)
Clinton apologies for Kennedy remark By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.
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“I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever,” the former first lady said.
The episode occurred as Clinton campaigned in advance of the June 3 South Dakota primary.
Responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race, she said: “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing the idea of abandoning the race.
Clinton said she didn’t understand why, given this history, some Democrats were calling for her to quit.
Her remark about an assassination during a primary campaign drew a quick response from aides to Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama.
“Senator Clinton’s statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said the senator was only referring to her husband and Kennedy “as historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous.”
Even so, Clinton decided within a couple of hours to make a personal apology.
“I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That’s a historic fact,” she said.
“The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy,” she added, referring to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. “I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.
“My view is that we have to look to the past to our leaders who have inspired us, give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the Kennedy family,” she said.
Gee I don’t see Barky Obama’s name in there at all do you?
Narcissists.
Well that is because Barfy is done with the Kennedy’s remember, Obama’s statement:
He WAS a friend!
One good turn always deserves another. Obama has a survey on his website – on page 2 there’s even a place to submit your own text on what’s important to you. http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/surv5page1?source=20080523_PS_L1
That’s it? The sky is falling! Hillary said something true that can be misconstrued? Oh my 57 states. This is the end!
No the sky is not falling, but your sky falls, when his true and revealing comments can’t be miscontrued but he tries, eh? Let’s see, “the clingin’ to guns and religion”, for example. Eh? Eh? The difference is he meant that remark. And your name says it all – on how sarcastic and ugly barack really is.
She was citing history, candidates going to June, and heck it is a possibility since your being sarcastic.
Gee, you know what would really help Hillary in this moment when control over the media message can be the make or break of a candidates statement?
That Michelle Obama video.
Hey Larry, you, uh…you find that video yet? We’ve all been patiently, um, waiting, uh….well, waiting a week now for it.
Just sayin’…
There is a movement in the Force. Me thinks someone from the Dark Side has arrived.
your right HIll – those videos are the ONLY THING that will kill it. This is bad, they will never let it go. That’s what we’re dealing with, ugly people like pit-bulls, they got it in their teeth and they won’t let go.
At least it happened on a Friday, right before the long holiday weekend, might help some.
We are used to the Obmamedia trashing Hillary, along with you nutcases. It doesn’t bother us. SHe ignores them just like we do. She’s not going away and if in the end Obama is the nominee, the rest of us who despise him aren’t going away either. Live with it. The man will never be president. He’s pissed off so many voting blocks, I can’t even list them anymore without leaving some out.
Just sayin’
Uppity put up the Ad I made for the Michelle O’Angry film everyone is talking about.
Ok now, I have been in lets see…57 states with one more to go so far….Hummm, again the double standards? His comments were not even historically oriented. Hillary makes an historical reference and it is touted as if she is Satan? Hey why not, they tried the same stuff with Pres. Bush now didn’t they? What just two weeks ago or something. Remember with Obama it is ALL ABOUT HIM. So shhhhhhh, he may be listening.
Here is ALL the ORIGINAL statement and how really
MORONIC anything is that is made to sound so very
SINISTER by the Obama Campaign:
Transcript from the Argus-Leader’s editorial board meeting:
HRC: People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.
Q: Why?
HRC: I don’t know. I don’t know. I find it curious. Because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. And historically, that makes no sense. So I find it a bit of a mystery.
Q: So you don’t buy the party unity argument?
HRC: I don’t because again I’ve been around long enough.
My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?
We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is.
Q: What is your speculation?
I don’t know. I find it curious. And I don’t want to attribute motives or strategies to people because I don’t really know, but it’s a historical curiosity to me.
Over at Wonkette, which is pretty profane anyway, but usually in a humorous way, there a thread about this with multiple males calling Hillary a bitch; a lone Hillary defender, apparently a female, reminds them that abusive language towards a woman when in a relationship is often a sign of physical abuse to follow, or a symptom of an abusive relationship. She cites this: http://www.4women.gov/violence/types/emotional.cfm
It’s a shame that the Obama cultists are relying on bullying Senator Clinton out of this race. She has won the most votes of any candidate and if she were a man, she would have the nomination now.
Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. Just wait until we find out in October about plagirism of his books, and Obama speaking at the Million Man March.
The reporter who ask the questions was not upset and did not miss a step . The press is looking for a story I quess this is more important than John McCain heatlh report. CNN ask a really important questions from JackASS Cafferety if McCain health is an issue. I wrote that I thought since Obama smokes and is a prior drug users we should be just as concerned (funny thing they did not post it I quess they do not like the facts)
Yeah, Obama is an acknowledged former user of cocaine. That could also come up in October, with Obama lying about using more than he implied, or even dealing drugs.
It seems a bit inconsistant for Obama culties to get on the “McCain might die” wagon while bashing people who point out historical facts.
It’s awfully funny that I remember reading recently that some of Obama’s supporters threatened to re-enact the riots at the Democratic convention of the 1968. I guess it’s okay for them to say something like that.
Lucinda, did you get the memo? Apparently Obama and his surrogates and supporters can say whatever they want and get a free pass from the media. You know.. like Jesse Jackson, Jrs. famous words regarding Hillary vs. Obama: “When I think about how a black man can attack a white woman, O.J. Simpson comes to mind.” Apparently that’s okay.
Having done an informal blog survey of idiotic responses to Hillary’s remarks, it would seem there are more idiots defending her than attacking her. Just remember in November no matter whom you vote for there will be idiots and psychopaths voting the same way as you. So why not choose with the thinking part of your brains instead of the amygdalas. Just sayin’.
[...] contrast, the batshit crazy continues over at No Quarter, where a batshit crazy post about Clintion’s appalling statement by the inaptly named “truthteller” is titled [...]
Wow, this blog is like the progressive version of Little Green Footballs. How fucked up is that?
As warped as someone who is a member of the mining industry supporting Obama. But then again, members of the mining lobby chaired his steering committee in Nevada, and I am sure there were more in Colorado.
Why do you support him?
I like the conspiracy angle. It makes me smile. For the record, however, I’m not that partial to either Clinton or Obama. I will hold my nose, however and vote for either one. Better than Mc Same.
And…. this place still reminds me of LGF. A lot of ugly happening here.
No, THIS blog is like
a progressive versionLittle Green Footballs.What’s that?
Little Greek Footballs?
Sorry you must be mistaken, this isn’t the Huffpo / Dailykos / Ameriablog etc.etc.etc.
Nice try though, just my regards to thea ‘eh
The fact is, if Hillary is not nominated, I will never vote Democrat again.
That is the silliest, most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Just shows a clear disrespect for democracy in general. You’d rather have McCain, the pro-life, gun-toting nutball? Then you aren’t a democrat to begin with. Admit it.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaahha,
Gary you little Right wing troll. You’re always good for a laugh.
So is the Orange Satan being fumigated this afternoon? What other reason could there be for the influx of cockroaches this afternoon?
How utterly
sadpathetic for them to realize that the only way they can feel they’ve scored a point is by parsing every word his opponent says to try and get an advantage. Just as the only way Obama could win the State senate is by hiring expensive lawyers and teams of workers to comb through every single signature that his (female) opponents gathered, to throw them off the ballot. Of course, no one went through his signatures, of course. A real stand-up guy. Oh.. and maybe the cockroaches can explain to us WHO bankrolled that expensive attorney and his team? I mean.. wasn’t Obama eating tun straight from a can at that point in his life? I can never keep those sad stories straight.HA HA HA HA HA.
I guess the Obama campaign is confused– it has stopped his tactic of ignoring her and Senator Clinton is back into the spotlight.
Oh and fuck you Obama, you know very well that she meant that long nominating contests are not unusual.
I love how she did not apologize to Obama but to the KENNEDY FAMILY.
I love this woman, keep it up Hillary, you don’t owe him ONE FUCKING THING!
Excuse me but Bobby Kennedy didn’t participate in his first primary until May and he was shot four weeks later. Even if this was just an example of the “long primary” process, it was a pretty misinformed one.
You’re right that Hillary encounters untold sexism and trials because she is a woman. But there is no way that even you don’t see this comment was tasteless, fractious, and verging on irresponsible.
Bravo, Emily. Not to mention that it isn’t the first time she’s said it, so it’s obviously a tactic, not a mistake. It’s a horrible way for Hillary to go out, but that was her choice. Now she probably doesn’t even have a promising Senate career in front of her. Still, I guess there’s always “It Takes A Village 2: Assassination Boogaloo”.
Argonaut sez:
Righteous comment! Every time a Democrat threatens to (sit out | vote for McCain | never vote Democratic again), Karl Rove sports a tiny little woody.
Obama is my third choice, Clinton is approximately forth on the list. Both need to start focusing on unity. And the more acrimonious folks among their supporters (including the original poster, Truthteller [sic]) need to chill the fuck out. Quoting an unhinged twit in a post about “Typical Obama Supporters” is beyond disingenuous.
Human up, people! Figure out how to choose “not what I was hoping for” over “sold his soul to Pat Robertson and the NeoCons”.
A true Leftist, I understand there are more options available to me than just the Democratic Party.
Yes, you do have an option. In the real world, that option is McCain.
Or are you playing in a fantasy electoral league in which the US has a parliamentarian system? Sounds like fun! After that, we can play Risk or Stratego. The cool thing about imaginary stuff … nobody dies in a stupid fucking war.
Then support Clinton.
You want to know exactly how much I dislike McCain? If by some miracle she becomes the nominee, I would be willing to vote for Clinton.
Nine days ago when the NARAL endorsement broke, I went over to the NARAL blog and said the same thing. After reading hundreds of thoughtful comments by Clinton supporters at blogforchoice (and letting hundreds of ugly comments slide), and after hearing how much Clinton has grown as a public speaker during her “victory” speech from West Virginia, I was feeling pretty charitable towards her.
But that was nine days ago.
She’s a smart, articulate speaker. Her comments have to be taken at face value. I also lived through the horrors of 1968. Although I was just a kid, I understood that the country was going through hell, with some of the greatest internal division of the twentieth century. Aside from bringing up RFK’s death, why the fuck is she bringing up the specter 1968? That year was an unmitigated disaster for the Democratic Party, and the US as a whole. What is wrong with candidate Clinton?
But, let me reiterate, John McCain is so deeply awful — think Dick Cheney, but with less incompetence — that I would vote for Clinton if she were the nominee.
But, tell you what. Nah. Gonna. Happen.
Please join the rest of us in that little place we like to call “reality”. It will be hard at first, but I’m sure you can learn to deal.
Then ask superdelegates to support Clinton, for Obama cannot win in November.
So, your opening gambit is to insult anyone who has ever supported Obama. And then you say you’ll hold your breath if you don’t get your way. And you follow this with a request for my support for Clinton based on a completely unsupported assertion that Obama can’t win.
What is it that you’re trying to accomplish here?
To me it appears that you really want your prediction to come true, and you’re sowing acrimony with inflammatory rhetoric in order to accomplish this goal. Maybe that’s not what you’re trying to do, but that’s sure what it looks like.
Stop. Take a breath. Look at the big picture. Make a pledge to back the winning candidate (whoever that is). And find a way to accept that you can’t have everything you want.
“beyond disingenuous” is a laugh riot. you guys sound like parrots. seriously. UNITY. hey, man. cool it with the F bomb. it’s so “low class” of you. heh heh.
this is the last f#@king straw.
i am so sick of the sexism…and there is no other explanation for this!
how in the hell is her remark in ANYWAY offensive? to anyone? anywhere?
this shit needs to end now!
well all u little idiots in the mainstream media listen up!
you have pissed off some women now by god!
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening. “I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.”
Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton’s comments, but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/clinton-calls-vp-chatter-completely-untrue/index.html?hp
Wow! I used to like this blog but apparently you’ve gone nuts. It’s sad how you guys are so against the guy who is going to be our nominee. Thanks for selling out the democratic party. I’ll have to remember to thank you for president Mcain. Oh yeah, btw, Obama actualy has more experience then Hillary. Atleast as far as legislative exp goes, which is the only thing that either of them have that would be worth mentioning as presidential exp. But i guess you guys count her having tea with foreign dignitaries as exp for some crazy reason. lol. Thanks for helping elect a repub, crazy ppl. Thanks for the war on Iran. Thanks for the soon to entirely collapse economy. Thanks for radical rightwing supreme court judges. You guys rawk…
Deal with it.
you’re welcome.
now, don’t say we’re not polite. you thanked us.
the rest of your crap doesn’t merit response.
grow up. lol at all the children here
Truthteller, you cant be old enough to vote, right? You can’t really be an adult and be that much of a child, right?
My way or the highway.
lol. sry i thought this blog might be still worth my time. I was wrong. Later, haters. Enjoy 4 more years of repub rule…
That is your problem. If Democrats elected the correct candidate, we would all be unified.
Senator Clinton again said something that went right over the heads of an entire “class” of trolls.
The length of the campaigns is the obvbious part. What alludes the House of Slytherin,is the metaphore that was Bobby Kennedy’s tragic assasination as it was used in this context.
Senator Clinton, as she said, has been around long enough to know presisely who, what, where ,when and why this happening. I honestly believe her that the Kennedy family has been on her mind and in reflecting on what Bobby Kennedy was campaigning on the analogy is uncanny. Ted Kennedy’s current medical condition and the fact that the Kennedy’s would not endorse the person occupying his Senate seat is a statement all by it self.
If the media is freezing you out, you have to be factualy correct in exposing the soft under belly of the snake. It was a delicate way to highlight what is at stake.
WAHHH!! WAHHHH!! I WANT MY BINKY!!!
And I refuse to vote for Hillary because I don’t vote for rascist assassins. LOL, kid…
oh, and maybe you hillabots should blame her for running such a crappy campaign… or do you guys blame obama for that as well lol?
Anyone who still can’t see that Hillary Clinton’s campaign is only about winning at all costs and that she’ll do anything that gets her more votes, will never see it. She voted for a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people for that exact reason. She decided that the history of antiwar candidates losing elections (McCarthey and McGovern) was reason enough to support a war to help her candidacy. She is much the same as her husband. Is that sexist? No, it’s about her character, or lack thereof. Let her go to Iraq with Bush and Cheney and all the rest of them to face the people of that country. She should have resigned in disgrace after the Iraq debacle. She deserves nothing. We have endured Bush for 8 years. We had to watch Lieberman sleaze his way back into the Senate. We had to watch John “I’m going to fight a smarter war” Kerry get the nomination in ‘04. This is it. Goodbye, losers. Your time is up and no amount of whining and threats will change that. And yes, if something happens to Obama in the next few months, the Clintons and their sycophants are at the top of my list of suspects.
A) Hillary voted like most democrats to support the Iraq war, from what I understand on the information they received…. on what was later deemed faulty information.(Cheney made sure that the real doubts about WMDS by the intelligence community was suppressed and said the intelligence community found evidence of weapons of mass destruction among other things. Most Americans were told the same thing and leaped in as well and supported this war based on the same reasons, believing the false information given them.. But as time wore on and things got out Americans begin to change their minds, SO Miss Clinton cannot changes her mind as well, had she had known differently would she had made the same commitment? Your arguments are based on assumptions and distortions.. Would any Americans have supported the Iraq war if they found at the intelligence was suppressed and lied about?????
Link for gay obama story from Taylor Marsh.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama_s_church_kill.html
Thanks Hillary. You just made sure your supporters won’t vote for Obama. The wounds are now too deep.
I don’t expect the Clintons to be in Denver this summer. It’s sad it got this ugly.
The Clinton supporters are like the Yankees…..sore winners and losers. Obama supporters are like the Red Sox. They are idiots, but they are positive, and happy, and piss off the sour (bitter?) opponents.
The Red Sox have some nerve calling the Yankees losers after 86 years straight of NO WINS.
Why should Obama earn my vote, when he deliberately set out to attack a woman contender, doesn’t that say anything about his character. I would advise anyone not to give into these troll bullies, If Obama doesn’t get our respect or vote he just dug his own grave, with your(his supporters) help. Maybe you should think twice before you try to destroy Ms Clinton again .I’m sending emails to all my friends and exposing Obama’s campaign for what it is, a fraud. If he had campaigned honorably I’d have no qualms .But after reading this http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media
I was absolutely appalled and disgusted and sent it to all my friends, I would advise everyone here on this forum who supports Hillary to do the same..sent it to friends and supporters and tell them to pass it on.. let’s get the truth out… Let’s expose the dark-side of Obama’s campaign. Guess what, I considered Obama if Hillary didn’t win,thinking he was a decent man…. now you don’t, won’t have a chance for my vote period.You made your own bed now lie in it. Here is the clincher: (From the article)Here we come to the crunch. Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media – consciously or unconsciously – are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.
“What’s particularly saddening,” says Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton and a rare dissenting voice from the left as a columnist in the New York Times, “is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the . . . way pundits and some news organisations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.” Despite widespread reporting to the contrary, Krugman believes that most of the “venom” in the campaign “is coming from supporters of Obama”.
Don’t blame Hillary for this, you all did it.. You put the noose around your own neck by your own scheming and underhanded tactics. Hillary didn’t make you do it.
I agree that Clinton did not mean to suggest that Obama should be assassinated. She was using the RFK example to illustrate the historical fact that primaries have traditionally lasted into the month of June. That said, it was a ham-handed clunker of a way to make the point. Why not just say, for example, “Primaries have traditionally run into the month of June, including the California primary in ‘92 which my husband won.” No misunderstanding, no outrage, no problem. Bad judgment, people, very bad judgment. Then, we have the non-apology “apology”. No error admitted. No mention of being sorry for the error. Sounded like George Bush at his worst. This just may be the last nail in the coffin.
Now own up….
Because she is probably exhausted from a long campaign, for one, and guess what people don’t always know how to artculate things clearly. I don’t always know how to express myself or may say something that may be misinterpreted. Do you think everyone has a “silver tongue” Like Obama?
It is the press and Obama supporters who got all bent out of shape and started reading things into it. If you had any decency you might have given Ms Clinton the benefit of the doubt and asked ,Ms Clinton could you elaborate what you just said ,or the press should have3at least given her that courtesy to explain herself and her position. Instead you and the press got together and started the lynch mob based on what? An interpretation of what she said? Can you read minds by the way? Is this what you call decency????????
You should really take a good look at yourselves then…If you want to claim that Mister Obama has any shred of decency, maybe you and your attack dogs and propagandists and media co-conspirators better re-evaluate your actions and words.
I would say the apology is owed Ms. Clinton , not the other way around.
Kay dear,
I think Clinton and Obama are both exhausted by this campaign. What’s more, I think Presidents of the United States often live in a perpetual state of exhaustion. Judgment matters, exhausted or not.
That may be true. But the media tends to be a lot kinder to Obama than it is to Hillary.
And just wait until I post this in my home town newspaper and people get the gist of things, you better do something to redeem yourselves and quickly.
LindaKay
Hillary Caught in another lie. Why did she say it? She is an intelligent calculated person that will do anything to win, including helping John McCain win, which would allow her to say, “I told you so. Elect me now.” The media tonight are being much too kind, except Keith Olbermann blasted her with a history of her sleaze. Hillary Clinton made the same statement about Robert Kennedy’s assassination a few months ago, which further shows her apology was false. She did not know about Ted’s tumor the last time she said it. “The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy,” she added, referring to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. “I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.” Keith Olbermann went through the different times she referred to Bobby Kennedy. He blasted her tonight, in my opinion, very much deserved, every word. Actually, I think Keith was still to nice in his word choices. Check out his site later for the video clip. http://youtube.com/watch?v=pa85uo1QyGw Countdown: Special Comment May 23, 2008 Part 2 Part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=sny8VfgcjaI
The Obamabots are scum. People who join the Obama cult should have the heads examined, or better, they should go stick their heads in the toilet.
I don’t even support right wing agenda. A) I am a democrat. b) I may not have a degree here folks but you could show some respect and just because I’m not all-knowledgeable about computers does not make me a dim wit.Explain why you’ve turned this around on me please?
I do know how to use the shift key by the way. Ok I guess since I am a Hillary supporter which I have been from the beginning and now I’m being called names likes dimwit, among other things, I am a little confused about why you all would do that? Had I said said anything offensive to you? Offensive about Hillary? Being a newcomer, I thought this was a forum for people who had something in common who could share about in that they supported Hillary. So guess what folks ,give this simpleton a straight answer, what is up with you? At least have the common courtesy to give me an answer. Personally I could result to name calling here but it would completely defeat my purpose here, and I really don’t want to make insults or fight or hurt other people’s feeling or be disrespectful.
I do know how to use the shift key by the way. Ok I guess since I am a Hillary supporter which I have been from the beginning and now I’m being called names likes dimwit, among other things, I am a little confused about why you all would do that? Had I said said anything offensive to you? Offensive about Hillary? Being a newcomer, I thought this was a forum for people who had something in common who could share about in that they supported Hillary. So guess what folks ,give this simpleton a straight answer, what is up with you? At least have the common courtesy to give me an answer. Personally I could result to name calling here but it would completely defeat my purpose here, and I really don’t want to make insults or fight or hurt other peoples feeling or be disrespectful.
OH really?? I notice most people here are not supporting either candidate either way. Most here said they would vote for McCain if Hillary didn’t get the nomination. I’ve read it thread for thread.. You sound fishy, like you are a troll . Are you are saying you would vote for Obama then?Apparently so. I think people this guy is playing mind games and is highjacking the thread , read what he said. Apparently you must be an Obama supporter or either that are playing mind games. Also I’d like to also note that there are people who have said they have been lifelong dems and would not vote for Obama. Free choice remember?
I guess that makes you the genius then, what pon earth are you doing on this website then. Go vote for Obama then.
Now uppity girl, would you please explain your reaction? Please just straight talk.
Told you all, this guy is a troll, he just showed his true colors.
George Smiley, go home get a grip.
People are free to vote for McCain here if they choose, Mister Smiley. It is their constitutional right. Of course I may not make the choice they made, but still it is their right.Don’t like it move to another country, but that’s reality.More mind games?
Well let’s see I’ve studied psychology, spirituality, read alot, focus on other issues besides political. And I would say that Barrack is a seriously troubled man with serious issues and conflicts, he cannot seem to resolve his black and white heritage and instead sees them as warring factors within, he despises and disowns the a part of himself as white. He’s not really black from what I read but has an arabic heritage.
What qualifies you to psychoanalize someone as seriously troubled, based on misinformation, hearsay and speculation?
The Obamatrolls are out in force.They had to spread out their Hillaryhate to keep the CDS headquarters (KOS, Americablog, Balloon Juice etc.) from self-imploding!
He is also probably trying to compensate for a lack of self esteem or a sense of inferiority by coming on as superior even to women it seems.
Oh well, labels don’t really define me.And even if you wanted to call me names it is really your problem you own it bud. Maybe that is why you may have no friends, you don’t know how to treat people with respect. And it’s a game you play, the best thing I would tell anyone on this site is is ignore this man, My conversation with him has gone on much too long now. I was referring to Obama , about the woman thing, unless you are Obama,lol.
Well George nice meeting you, now I’ll just move along.
I’m also a little suspicious about this website, I guess in all honesty. I don’t really like the attacks from either side.But George the reason why I would not vote for McCain is because I just don’t think he would make the best decisions for this country. Obama ,on his stands,I liked initially because in many ways they were similar to Hillary’s, but he has really went after Hillary and truthfully I was sent an email about the book he’d written where he had made racist comments, if you are biracial you should accept yourself as such, many people do and can get along fine with both races. He has serious conflicts about race and I think he is going to divide this country and the last thing we need is a race war. because of it. And as far as this website. I don’t think I’ll come here again.
George, let me ask you something. You have a lot of of anger. Why? It came from his book and it was quoted from it. And call me stupid, but frankly I’m not letting it get to me, You can’t tell me who to vote for and you have not given me a reasonable argument why I should vote for Obama,and if you think for some perverse reason I’ll change my mind, you are wrong. That’s the thing with Obama they think if they insult you harangue you , talk down on you, they will some how get you to change your mind? If that is their tactic.. LOL It’s a pretty sorry one. If you think insults will work on me, they don’t. It will not convince me one iota to vote for Obama.. Your power play and so called sense of superiority and trying to denigrate me are all control issues, it doesn’t work with me.. You can and have the right to believe what you want, vote for who you want, think what you want. But as you can see I’m not even trying to convince you to come to my side.I also have the righ to think, believe and vote for who I want and again don’t need your approval or validation to do so.
LOL I’m just sitting here laughing my head off.The game is over.
Well lookie here
Georgios — nice of you to come out at the dead of night — don’t worry, I know you feel lonely right now, but don’t worry, everyone will be back in about 6 hours…
See you then!
Another thing ,George don’t waste time stewing in your own juices, or getting angry because someone disagrees with you,it’s part of life nothing personal, don’t make it the issue of your life. If you would like to get a point across, try not insulting people..if you want to learn to communicate with others, again try getting a point across without verbal attacks. If you want to learn about people on political issues, keep an open mind.. You can insult me about my style of writing or how I may put things down on paper, I don’t have a degree in journalism. I also grow , I also know just because you say I am an idiot or moron , doesn’t make it so.. Here is a quote I’m fond of remembering,”Simplicity is something difficult for a confused mind to understand.” So just say I keep to the simple.
LOL Not a GOP operative.. that is a figment of your imagination. I thought by your definition I was an idiot, now all of a sudden you think I must be this secret Operative with a covert operation to destroy the left, I’d have to be brilliant then. This is too funny.
Kay — let it go, these Cockroaches only come out at night…they know they can’t get away with this shit when during the day. But what do you expect from Trolls.
So don’t engage! They paid extra overtime for middle of the night trolling.
What’s WRONG with people??!! Hillary just stated FACTS. She just meant NOBODY KNOWS what tomorrow holds (THAT GOES FOR ALL OF US) and that’s why she’s still in the race and that’s why she was citing Kennedy as an ‘example’ – although a bad example – ANYTHING CAN happen (again, to any of us). She’s just trying to get her point across that ALL states should vote before jumping to a decision – and THAT’S why she can’t understand why Obama and his people want her to quit! Nothing more – she didn’t mean any harm! Of course, Obama sheep want to take her ‘words out of context’.
Viking , you are right, I am just wasting breath, thanks for the advice I’ll keep it in mind. I agree Brendy, but if the Obama people come down and lose the votes, it’ll be their own undoing. Obama can’t control everything ,things are getting around all over the web and from the GOP as well.
I would say she didn’t know how to express her ideas as clearly as she’d like. The words didn’t reflect the point she was trying to make.
I think this is their slimiest smear of Hillary Clinton yet.
Completely reprehensible.
No Quarter – Stop being an apologist website for stupidity. That was a horrible comment and she should withdraw from the race NOW. STUPIDITY at its finest. No wonder the Republicans are confident about November.
Stupidity is not knowing there aren’t 57 states. Robert Kennedy disagrees with you. Run along.
57 states? Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois? A tornado hits Kansas and 10,000 people die? Born after Selma and Birmingham? Not enough Arabic speakers in Afghanistan? Too many agriculturalists bogged down in Iraq? First says he will talk to Iran, then says he never said it? Roosevelt talked to the Nazis? Withdraw from Iraq, if Al-Qaeda appears re-invade; his Chief Foreign Policy adviser says his position on Iraq is an election ploy anyway.
Economics Advisor telling Canadians Turd0 is lying on NAFTA. Chief Advisor on Israeli policy, is caught negotiating with Hamas? But then according to Zer0 Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate aims in destroying Israel. After all, Israel is a “constant sore” on American foreign policy. When Hamas expresses support for Turd0, Turd0 says he understands this, and appreciated being compared to JFK.
Carter talks to Hamas, denounced by all and sundry, Turd0 says “can’t I just eat my waffles?” Canada has a “president?” Just killing and bombing civilians in Afghanistan? When in one city says he is in another? In Oregon, proposes to clean up the Great Lakes? Terrorism, cynicism, what’s the difference?
Obama’s favorite word: Uh…uh…uh… Claims to have debated Clinton over 20 times, forgets to mention only 4 times in real one on one debates, and in last one on one, displays abysmally poor grasp of administrative and governmental terms, and of foreign policy concepts.
Does this bozo even speak the language of a Senator, let alone a School Principal?
There you have it people, the key to understanding Excrement0 isn’t that he can’t answer a question straight. McCain asked him ten times in a row, why do you want to talk to someone who denies the Holocaust, wants to destroy Israel, finances terrorism, and kills our troops in Iraq? No answer. No answer. No answer. Just postures, grimaces, and No answer. But its not just question dodging, the real key to the Impostor- He doesn’t know Jack Shit.
Juanita Gonzales
YES! TRUTHTELLER TELLS TRUTH!!!
GIRL POWER!
America is a free country. People can vote for whoever they want in the voting booth, or not show up at all if there is no good choice. BTW McCain is a better man and a better American than Hussein O.
Why are you wasting time on this blog then? Disagree ,your right.Why don’t you do something constructive with your time. But remember give others the same courtesy as you would want for yourself. They have a right to disagree with you too. The world remember doesn’t revolve around you.
I will also say I might not vote for McCain, but that is my personal opinion. I can’t and will not tell anyone here on this site how to vote, all I can say is vote your conscience and what you believe in your heart is best for America.I’ve done minimal research on McCain.I usually check things out on orgs like http://www.ontheissues.org or votesmart.org. and other independent news sites. Being more moderate as a liberal I am beginning to see that the far left are as way out as the far right. I used to think the far right were off the hinge but now see the far left is just about the same.Both can be too biased and too the extreme.
Guess what people it is time to take back your power, the government doesn’t own you, you are not it’s servant. Don’t buy into the trolls accusations . We the people still exist in the constitution, you are not beholden to any political party period. You don’t have to vote along party lines, you are not the peasants who have to live under the king’s rule.Take back your power. If any party is just acting in it’s own interests and not that of the people, time for a change. Time to say clean up your act or you won’t get our vote or our support. You owe them nothing. You pay taxes. They are suposed to be accountable to you not vice versa, they are only given the power to govern by your consent
Those who would rather live under a totalitarian regime that rules over people and subjugates them, move to Saudi Arabia or some other country with a dictatorship. Those who try to push others around and tell them how they should vote or that they better vote for such and such. Since you have no respect for the rights of other’s free choice ,go live in North Korea.You may feel quite at home there. I’m not worried about a party being decimated, they don’t need help in doing that themselves.
I’m concerned with decimating a democracy that stands for we the people. Where we are going to have a say in our own affairs and not have the government tell us how it ought to be or what we should do.
And to George Smiley , do you ever read what our founding fathers said?????
“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.”
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 14, 1781
Since you seem to think of me as the dim light bulb, which in reality means ,she has an opinion or a stand I don’t happen to like and must be stupid for not agreeing with me or holding the same views I do……. Would you like to still call me names George?
It appears my earlier comments were deleted. I sure hope I’m wrong. I would hate to think that my entirely civil and completely fact-based comments would be deleted, merely because they pointed to conclusions the editor didn’t like.
That would be quite unreasonable and disingenuous, wouldn’t it?
It just strikes me as all Fleetwood Mac.
I am in the process of buying a piano, I’ve decided to go with the more expensive Yamaha, (with print music as my software of choice), and while playing today, testing a keyboard (a casio) the only thing I seemed able to improvise was a lame fleetwood mac riff. I relaxed, took a deep breath, and let it flow.
And all I got was Stevie Nicks, and that can’t be good.
So I pushed myself, went to Beethoven, and thankfully it took, a little, but everything keeps coming up fleetwood mac, it’s all fleetwood mac to me. And I thought, oh, a metaphor for Obama, and the IL combine, and Bush, Cheney, and Billador, being the Oakland for rejected sons of dysfunctional fathers who listen to the Decemberists — they’re all fleetwood mac, all psychically stuck in the 70’s, CA soft rock, over indulgence, too much blow, and too much money, too Stuart Levine, all Mick Fleetwood, drinking a fifth of vodka a day, mundane mediocrity celebrating itself as art…and the music was horrible.
Though I like fleetwood mac, the band, I just don’t want to write like fleetwood mac, as the times call for something more complex.
Beethoven, the classical period, with Philip Glass, the post modernist, arpeggio city. So, up over the speed bump.
Boy, it IS a 70’s motif.
Or perhaps corrupt washington as Fleetwood Mac, well, that could be interesting.
Perhaps a pop opera is in order…
and then I went to church, because it mattered.
Larry, why don’t ya love me.
Intern, let this thru, OK.
Are you brain dead?
NO, you is just troll.
Thanks for playing anyway.
I would never vote Obama,Or what ever his real name is.Hillary is for me.But,I will never support or vote Obama even if he says..uh,uh .uh my pick 4 V.P is Hillary.Well pick your nasty ears Obama-I still will never vote 4 you!!!!!!!!!!!!!You are so far wrong and not fit.He is someone who would say anything and do anything.He takes others speeches-others work and now he will take what ever John Mccain says and say oh..the polls are up for him..because of the offshare drilling.Hey we better do something.But What.I know what I do best”LIE”and when I get to become president.Then Me and Bush can have a good old time.
Never Obama!!!!!HE makes me sick to my stomach.
Bring back Hillary, McCain they can try and trash all they want.We saw what Obama -media did.If Hillary is in as nominnee and on ballot.I am riding my horse right over to John Mccain.
I will never,ever throw away my vote to a nasty-dirty corrupted- terrorist lover -take money from anyone ever overseas Obama.NEVER.
Hillary 08
McCain 08
We are not disrespecting Hillary.We love Hillary but,we are not handing over a free past to Obama!
And to say we are disrespecting Hillary is just another way of hopeing that we Hillary supporters will lay down and take it what was handed to us.
Hillary is the best thing that has happend to us in a while.Bill Clinton also a great man and was a great president.
To lay down or fall in line is what the media-democratic party and Obama supporters may want.But NO DEAL!NO WAY-NO HOW will I ever throw my vote to Obama who I can’t even call a senator.He is a user-A liar-A flip floper-A sell out-and unfit.
And to go and knock down Hillary with his C-Illinois dirty hands with Bill Ayers and more.Well this is my country and I will not forget what Obama-Bill Ayers-Rezko-Wright-Hammas and more did to our country.
Obama is no way getting my vote.
Hillary and McCain are the two will get my vote.
Obama is Bush Jr.Obama has been Bush.Sure let Obama have his way in other control of his ways to have more army outside of the military,For what? HIlter-Hussins-Bin Ladin-and more.Our country will be just like theirs.NO THANK YOU. I love my country and I will not give Obama a free pass…NEVER
It’s Hillary or McCain for me.