To the Hillary campaign:
By CRAIG DELLA PENNA on May 24, 2008 at 7:49 PM in Current Affairs
[ADMIN NOTE: I'm not sure how the rest of us feel about this, but I am sensing that more and more of us are so fed up with the Democratic party that we have begun a mutiny. CRAIG, I ADMIRE YOUR RESOLVE! And VISIT Craig's blog, The Heraclitan Fire.]
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I don’t know if you are listening anymore but I have to try anyway:
First, some background. I have been a lifelong Democrat and as such I can say that I have never been truly represented (I came to like Bill but I disagreed with a lot of his more conservative initiatives). Yet I have held on, hoping that, someday, the time/person would be in sync so we could do some good in our country, in the world. As you can imagine, the last seven years have been painful for me (as were the Reagan years) but I have held on…
This time, however, it’s different. I have been appalled by the spinelessness of the Democrats in the 110th Congress and even more aghast at the candidacy of Senator Obama (see my journal for a more detailed look at this).
Contrary to popular opinion, I regard Senator Obama as a disaster waiting to happen.
During this campaign I have argued vigorously for Hillary, written in journals and been published in the blogosphere (No Quarter), donated to her campaign and worked the phones here in Oregon. I have felt her pain and relished her victories. I have tremendous respect for her intelligence, dedication and perseverance but my patience with the Democrats is running out.
So, here is my cri du coeur: Hillary - please do not, do not, do not have anything to do with an Obama ticket. Do not support Obama in the general election and certainly do not agree to be his VP. Frankly, as I say in my journal, I think the time is ripe for a third party and I think that you and Bill would be the perfect headliners for that effort. But Obama is another Bush-sized catastrophe for America - you know this, probably better than most, please do not be complicit in foisting this disaster on us.
That said, I realize that Hillary is a lifelong Democrat and I expect that she will work her butt off for the Democrats even if they follow their current stupidity and nominate Obama.
However, I have had it. If Obama is nominated I will not support him, even if Hillary is on the ticket with him. In addition, I will leave the Democratic Party and, if it looks like a close election in the Fall… I will hold my nose and vote for McCain.
Well, you may say, what’s one disaffected voter among millions? I urge you not to dismiss this lightly, I have come to find that there are many, many people who feel this way - we will not be coming together to get behind the party nominee, not this time.
Sincerely,
Craig Della Penna
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Here! Here!
Hillary will win the nomination.
It’s time for a class action lawsuit against CNN.
They just had a promo. The anchor asked “How does Hillary Clinton justify staying in this race.” They immediately cut to Clinton making the Bobby Kennedy statement COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT.
This is PURE fraudulent journalism.
It will continue, unless the day it costs these scoundrels.
and msnbc.
And on FOX today, the stupid girl regarding the Kennedy comment said “It was outrageous what Hillary said. She didn’t mention Obama but we know she was talking about Obama.” I almost lost it. What the f*ck is going on in this country. When I heard the statement that was the farthest thought from my mind.
Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. MLK and JFK were assassinated. How else would you say it? This is a statement of truth. Are we never suppose to speak of it again. Just as we are never suppose to speak of Obama’s background and associates. It is crazy!!!!!
Why can we say 90% black vote but cannot say “white vote.”
Why are McCain’s wife and Hillary’s husband fair game in the campaign but Obama’s wife is not.
I may lose my mind before this election is over. What the hell is wrong with everyone that a statement of fact or truth is not okay.
I totaly agree with you Kathy. I ask myself each day what has this country come to when everything she says is disected but Obama can do no wrong. Just because I have a different opinion of who should be president I am not a racist like they think. What the hell is going on in the party? I will not vote for Obama and I don’t care who says that we will come together they are totaly wrong why would I vote for him just because they say I should. Shame on the DNC.
I absolutely agree with you. Why is Obama so overprotected. See, he has already ASecret Service right at the beginning. What a waste of people’s money!
kathy — Obama makes the rules and the media follows them. I will never vote for Obama. I keep hoping McCain will pick Hillary as his VP because she would be terrific on Domestic Policy. However, a Third Party is what I really want to see.
As a Lifelong Democrat I have had it with a party who promised to end the war in Iraq within 3 days of taking Congress and now never mentions it. This is the party that gave us Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Dukakis and Kerry. Also, I am not too thrilled with Al Gore. He was the President why did he allow them to take it from him? The only successful 2 term president is Bill Clinton and the party has done everything possible to stop another Clinton presidency.
I am tired of saying the issues favor us. The DNC doesn’t care about the issues. Most of the last half of the 20th century the Democrats controlled Congress and did nothing about Healthcare for all Americans. In fact they sabotaged Hillary’s efforts. So screw em.
I agree. How can this happen?
I want a Third Party and I want it now. My preference is that Bill and Hillary Clinton start it but I realize that this is not the best possible time or …. maybe this is the best possible time.
But I feel as everyone here does in terms of refusing to support in any way in any sense Obama.
I believe that there is still hope that he may blow up loudly prior to the convention but the folks at the DNC are VERY,very hardened in their positions and I suspect would prefer suicide over admitting that they are wrong.
As to the class action lawsuit: we do not have a good environment for such a thing - a good legal environment - but I will support any action in this area and have been involved.
Jeralyn, is there any research on this? I will attempt to do some but intuitively I see a couple of roadblocks but determined people - seriously aggreved people in large numbers succeed at many things over time.
susaninbosque — The American people need to vote against Obama in huge numbers as a message to the media DON’T MESS WITH OUR ELECTIONS cause we are no longer buying your propaganda. It never occurred to me that I would not be a Democrat for the rest of my life however, when a great lady gets trashed and an asshole is lauded as the Second Coming then I have had it. We are going to leave a big hole in the party which the latte liberals cannot fill.
I think your comments are exquisitely perfect synopsis of the current U.S. presidential political reality.
The elites in the media, DNC and elsewhere DECIDED who they wanted WITHOUT (public) vetting of THEIR nomineee by the press. The media has thus reduced itself to functioning as propaganda zealots of their owm making for their own agendas of radical leftism and diguised it in a person who is a perfect example of the meaning of the word charalatan; Barack Obama.
CHARLATAN: A flamboyant deceiver; one who attracks sutomers with TRICKS (deception) or (jokes.
Obama=CHARLATAN
I pretty much think folks that is what the uproar about the so-called insulting Kennedy assassination remark is about,like you said it is manufactured to discredit her and probably pressure her to quit and then give Obama the nomination.I pray she doesn’t .It’s like a media conspiracy.I’ve pretty much think that is why they have been doing it for so long,pressuring to get her to quit and saying she doesn’t have a chance in hell to win,it’s all media spin,smoke and mirrors, a part of their plan. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so unethical in their reporting.They are corporate owned anyway.
Even saw it on the CBS News. A kiss up piece about Obama in Puerto Rico where they said he was closing the gap in votes because of Clinton’s alleged gaffe. The message was that if the audience didn’t have a clue what they were talking about, millions did, so we should all get on the band wagon.
Yes Hillary will win. Positive things are brewing with the skewed caucuses.
She is slated for a landslide in Puerto Rico if all the votes are counted. She is doing very well in South Dakota and Montana.
I thought she was losing in Montana. I like that governor. True grit type.
But what if she’s at the TOP of the ticket and forced to pick him as VP.
Will you vote for her then?
I will.
Wouldn’t there be a massive problem when Republicans note how she didn’t think that Obama was able to keep us safe, but she’s putting him one heartbeat away.
Anyways, a lot of the people who truely despise Obama will not vote for him in any way. So we might lose working class votes who had voted for Hillary before. Anyways, Obama doesn’t bring any new demographics to our coalition.
I would vote for a Clinton/Obama ticket. Reluctantly, because I think he would do what Edwards did to Kerry - be a half-assed running mate, use the publicity for himself so he could run again in 4 years.
I also think he would pull the ticket down, because she needs a military guy like Web. In fact, THAT would be a nice ticket.
I think it would be nice to have an AA president, but Obama has made mortal enemies out of half the party with his cunning smear tactics, and cheating ways. He self-basted.
But I would NOT vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket. it wouldn’t have a prayer in hell.
I would not vote for a Clinton Obama ticket.
He is filthy.
My pick for Hillary VP is Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Ohio)
or the Governor of North Carolina. He’s a very strong man who enjoys strong women and is committed to Hillary. His wife is a strong, gracious woman who is strong for Hillary.
lou — I loved the Governor of North Carolina.
Yes so long as Barack Obama is not president.
If she is the nominee she will not choose Obama. He is a liability and she knows this.
It could end up being part of the compromise…………
and perhaps if the story gets too criminal at some point down the road she can just replace him with someone more worthy
Would really urge everyone to read Larry’s post on Odinga - few articles back. ALL NEED TO KNOW getting into 2nd spot - through propaganda and intimidation is exactly WHAT BO’ COUS DID to TAKE OVER KENYA.
So PLLLLLLLEASE DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT a Hillary/bo ticket! Waaaaaay too dangerous for both her and our country. Read up on odinga/kenya!!!
And BE AWARE that we are being watched here - and many pro-Hill blogs - every minute! If the paid trolls take back a message that WE WILL NAIVELY ACCEPT this National Security Threat candidate in 2nd place, that is what they will report to their HQ and what they will start jockying for . . . think about this, it is NO joke and NO exaggeration.
For validation of above and the best laugh we’ve had in this whole nightmare DON’T MISS THIS SITE:
http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/here-are-some-offensive-comments-by-alleged-barack-obama-supporters-rated-x-for-t-l-v/
Apparently McCaine’s people have been watching our activity at pro-Hill blogs, too, and they have come up with an absolute whopper of a site (above) - complete with links to the most anti-obama sites, listings of his ongoing boo-boos (which make Hill’s misinterpreted statement into the molehill it really is.) They’ve even collected some of the vile, filth and threats of bo’s crew.
It is a riot of laughs, since it catches the trolls with their pants down - complete with an opening paragraph ON WHEN AND WHO organized the on-line shift in tone of Psychological Warfare against us PLUS a knock-out hilarious PIE CHART breaking down, categorically, just what these online invaders strategies have been. Go see above link for insight and the laugh of your life!
Urge all, again and again, please don’t reply to the troll comments - it is just what THEY WANT US TO DO. Just skip over them, ignore them, pretend they are not there. It is the ONE truly effective, HILL empowering response.
jm,
Thanks for the kudos, and am glad you had great laughs with that chart. It is NOT mine, just so you know.
Look, I do not support harldy any of Hillary Clinton’s policies and am a conservative/libertarian Republican. But, I would vote for Hillary against Obama in a heartbeat. That is how dangerous I believe Barack Obama is to this country and the entire world.
If we non-elites don’t stand together to defeat Obama, we may just end up hanging (politically) seperately. He has already said that he will stack the Supreme Court NOT with those that would INTERPRET the Constitution, but rather with people that believe what he believes. Our political rights to oppose his kingship could be taken away from us by judicial fiat.
Let’s put aside our policy and other differences for the good of America and our CHILDREN and join forces to defeat Obama and his most egregious elite cohorts so that you can get your party back from them and put it on a course toward sanity, while we keep America from a dangerous Barack Obama. Then, when you have defeated him, we can all go back to regular voting patterns.
Thanks for listening.
Thanks for clarifying, Denny.
You posted examples of Obama follower’s trash. And it is clear at your site (the link given by jm above) that’s what you were doing.
Pleased to listen to a rational fellow non-elite anytime, friend. People can’t discuss if first they don’t listen.
Gary McGowan,
Since I have been reporting on this subject,co I have corresponeded with quite a few Hillary Clinton supporters who hve been rather kind to me.
I think that although we have significant political differences, one thing is certain; we love our country. We will serve it to protect it, and we will stand together to defeat a candidate we deem dangerous to her. We pledge allegiance to our flag with our hand on our heart, proudly wear flag pins (even when the press isn’t looking), and don’t hang around friends, neigbors or religious figures that loath America - we are patriotic Americans FIRST, and political party adherants second.
Thanks for making me feel welcome, even though we differ much politically. After all, we don’t check for political affiliation when we celebrate Independence Day together, say Merry Christmas (even non-Christans do this)to one another, or help eachother in time of need.
No matter what color, ethnic background, religious heritage, education level, intelligence level or whether gay or straight, we love America, and are NOT willing that it should be left in the hands of someone we believe will harm it.
Thanks for listening.
“And BE AWARE that we are being watched here - and many pro-Hill blogs - every minute! If the paid trolls take back a message that…..”
VERY GOOD POINT. It makes it difficult to share and come together because they are basing their campaign on what they hear on the pro-Hillary blogs and have done so from the beginning. It’s sad.
I trust Hillary. I don’t think her decisions are power-driven.
Whatever she decides is fine with me. Now, I doubt I’ll pay attention to unity stuff if she’s being pushed aside entirely.
Screw that.
But other than that? I’ll listen with an open mind.
I think,though, I’ve weathered the storm here and have figured out that the hyperbole is just a symptom of cultural dysfunction leaking out. I’m not even entirely convinced that people actually believe their own exaggerations.
The election reminds me that people love to find places in their life to vent outrageous emotions. Because real life demands a pretty buttoned-up approach.
Perhaps that’s the real story here.
A tight race…..filled with drama and gender and sex and race…..
It’s Mandigo versus the Burning Bed.
Mandingo, that is.
Mr. Della Pena,
I totally agree with you on this. The Democratic party is underestimating the defection of people like you and me. I joined the Democratic Party, not the Bolshevik party, and I’ll be damned if I am going to support someone who is a front for the far-left. Obama sucks, and I will do whatever I can to prevent him from gaining power.
I left another comment on your blog as Demogrunt.
Thanks for saying what needs to be said. I hope many of the more sane Democrats are paying attention to this!
Craig, I think, this is what the country needs!
Senator Hillary runs as an Independent, if she is not declared the DNC nominee. The DNC has intentionally humiliated her & her good husband,President Bill Clinton, beyond decency.How can the Clintons save the country? We need answer asap. Maybe, let us send this idea to the DNC, Craig, & do it NOW!!
One thing is definite, I am NOT voting for Obama, because I love my country.He is not qualified, America needs the BEST!! Hillary, the next President!!
You share the sentiment of many including me.
Me, three!
My family, four, five and six!!!
You’re not alone; I won’t be voting for Obama if he wins the nomination, even if Hillary Clinton should be second on the ticket.
I don’t think I could go so far as actually to cast my vote for McCain, though, no matter how close the race might be. To me, they would both be absolute disasters for the country, but I can’t judge which of the two would be worse. In any event, though, my loyalty to the Democrats will end if Barry turns out to be the nominee.
I feel like you do, Forrest. I’ve considered abstaining, writing in Hillary or (gasp) even voting for McCain. But as my husband notes, if I do any of the above, I’m as bad as the people who voted for Nader and screwed us. I can only see my future as it pertains to Hillary as my nominee. If she’s not, well, I guess I’ll have to cross that bridge when I get to it. But as a lifelong Democrat who comes from generations of Democrats, if the likes of Donna Brazile and Howard Dean slash their way through the party in order to get Obama nominated, I’m going to have to become an Independent as well.
What I WON’T do is vote for Obama. That’s a given.
disagree with your husband. you would only be as bad as a nader voter if obama were equal to gore.
I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone (BO) who is totally unqualified to be President.
However, I can’t vote for McCain either. His policy views scare me.
For the first time since 1972, I will not cast a vote for President. A hell of a note, that there’s no acceptable candidate, isn’t it.
For anyone considering a write in. Please be careful, in some places by default your vote would go to the Democratic Nominee. Furthermore, I am a Dem and consider myself further to the left, however I will not sit home and not cast a vote for President. I refuse from being disinfranchised from this election. This is exactly what Obarfbag wants us to do, not vote, or eventually give in and vote for him. They are counting on this strategy, and it would reinforce their behavior this election cycle.
Now, if you would have told me 6 months ago that I would commit to voting for the Republican in the next election, I would have said, you are out of your mind. I have however, resolved to do just this if the DNC proceeds with this farce. I have looked up John Mccains stances on issues and have found things that I can agree with. His views on energy are not that far off from Obarfbag. Both seem to gravitate toward nuclear energy (I am not for nuclear energy but with obarfbag you get the same as Mccain). Who do I trust more with foreign policy? Easy, Mccain. Despite how they are trying to paint Mccain as a 3rd bush he is nothing like Bush. He is a moderate conservative more toward the middle as is Hillary. He has worked across party lines (Obarfbag never has). Now, one more imortant point: Mccain is an american hero who loves his country. I doubt very much Obarfbag and his wife love this country. Just look at connections: Ayers, REv. Wright, Farrakhan , Rezko and so many more.
I cannot fathom taking the chance of this man representing our country. If we don’t stand up against this now, we are in big trouble.
So I would ask people not wanting to vote for Mccain to at least take a look at where he stands on issues and don’t let yourself be disinfranchised from voting or bamboozeled into voting for someone you don’t feel is qualified. Yes, the DNC is trying to put us in a horrible position on purpose. To advance their far left agenda. We must not let them get their way by disinfranchising us.
Absolutely, Beverly! What she said!
Reply to Beverly; Thoroughly agree with we must not let them and that’s that. Where there is a will, there is a way. Don’t give up on US, us or Hillary. See this site for discussions on this issue:
http://www.writehillaryin
Above site is compiling the state laws impacting write-ins; these vary from state to state. If there are states where a write-in gets switched to the party candidate - rest assured, if the info is needed, it will get posted on this site at the RIGHT time.
Good for you. I have been a Dem since the early 60`s but I will not have this hi-jacking of the party. I think Obama`s POD people will be visiting their shrinks on Nov 5.
Thanks for sharing my feelings about the Democratic Party. On Tuesday I plan to go to city hall to see if I can change to an Independent.
Hillary or nothing.
It’s Hillary or good-bye Dems.
Not only good bye dems.
Hello Pres. McCain
i don’t have a clue what i will do come nov. if hillary is not on the ticket…….that said i will not vote for obama…and i have ALREADY left the party…..it is shameful what has happened….shameful
I think this is nuts. I’m for Hillary and I am NOT for McCain under any circumstances. Obama couldn’t possibly be as bad as another Republican like Bushmccain. The Democratic Party is the only realistic hope for progressive politics.
You want to make a bet.
At least you know McCain which is more than we can say for old Barry. You don’t know what he’s going to do if he gets the Presidency because we don’t know enough about him.
What DO you know about McCain?
How about, how does he come by his war-hero image?
He was an average pilot not highly regarded by his superiors and was unlucky enough to be shot down and tortured for much of the time in Vietnam.
So, tell me one of his war-hero stories. You know, all about how he volunteered to go and bomb innocent civilians he would never see from miles away in his plane.
Then you can tell us what you know about the clean, lobbyist-free McCain campaign and all the honorable people he’s sought the endorsement of.
And how John McCain has or has not ever resorted to serial pandering, flip-flopping and political expediency.
Then there’s always John McCain’s love of gay people and the right of women to choose, to expound on.
Or his strategy for “victory” in Iraq and “dealing” with Iran.
Please do tell what you know about John McCain.
“You know, all about how he volunteered to go and bomb innocent civilians he would never see from miles away in his plane.” There is absolutely no evidence that he volunteered to “bomb innocent civilians” I hope this isn’t a blanket attack on military bomber pilots from the Vietnam war.
“serial pandering?” From a supporter of a candidate who calls Iran a “grave danger” in front of a moderate Montana audience yet “not a serious threat” in front of a liberal Oregon audience. A candidate who argues for delaying NASA’s Orion spaceship then says he is for expanding NASA in front of Florida aerospace workers. Obama is every bit your typical politician.
Chris J., How very inappropriate of you to say such things on Memorial Day weekend. How many wars have you fought in, Chris? How many times have you been tortured by an enemy? Have you served in the military? Were you even born during the Vietnam era?
Yes, a lot of mistakes were made in Vietnam, but the servicemen (and women) were not to blame for it. They did what they were ordered to do, and I guess I need to remind you that in that era, it was not an all-volunteer Army. Thousands of young men were drafted into service upon turning 18. Aren’t you lucky that some of the very people you’re railing against fought for an end to the draft? Yes, I know that McCain wasn’t drafted. He followed in his father’s footsteps and entered the Navy by choice. I’m sure, however, that he had no idea what he was going to be called upon to do.
Chris, I suggest that you read some non-fiction books about what’s like to serve in the military and fight in combat—especially in an unpopular war like Vietnam. It might do you some good.
I was in WA State when the Republican party was taken over by the right wing religious NUTS. And the is exactly the debate that the old fashion real Republicans went through. The good Republicans migrated to the Democratic party — because the real Republican party ceased to exist in WA State.
If Donna racist Brazile and Howie Dean mange to hijack the Democratic party and turn it into a Left wing radical nutjob party — then we either migrate to the Republican Party and form a third party. As a third party of the core democrats migrate to the Clinton Democratic party — we will have the majority.
This could happen . . . if enough of us are pissed enough and we have a candidate — Hillary Clinton.
But as it is — I’ve also become an Independent.
If the numbers of Independent are large enough — that could signal readiness to migrate to new party or form a party called Independent Voters??
We have been called to go to our Board of Elections June 2-6 to re-register in the Independent party. Many have already done so. If millions will do so, we have a chance to present our own candidate to the public.
I remember when Kennedy came out with Obama, I almost flipped. Then when I looked at his record, I almost barfed. I think politicians think we are all stupid out here just because we are middle class. I may be stupid, but I am not an idiot. Only an idiot would present someone with no experience whatsoever as a candidate for the presidency.
And his background. Did anyone even inquire? His friends, did anyone even inquire?
There is a party called the “American Patriot”
Still waiting for yheitman to tell us what he knows about John McCain.
And, as my post made clear, I was talking about John McCain, not any others as some here are trying to confuse readers with.
ALL the queries in my post are relevant and need to be addressed directly by any self-proclaimed McCain admirers.
John McCain is the real hot-air, pie-in-the-sky, empty rhetoric candidate in this race.
Prove me wrong.
actually he could– and his problem is his naivete and arrogance. he doesn’t listen, just like bush. he’s too enamored with himself, just like bush. he doesn’t pay attention to detail, just like bush. he is careless, just like bush. and he lies, just like bush.
That’s Obama to a “T”
Yes…Yes he is.
I`m sorry but you need to do more research.
You have to really really look closely at the people surrounding Obama. Follow the money. It’s easy to believe he’s just a hapless jr. senator who has this cult-like following. LOOK closely at the folks that surround him and bankroll him.
He’s as beholden to corporate interests as ANY republican (if not worse), and his shadowy collection of questionable $$ connections, disqualifies him from my automatic Democratic vote.
The DNC has a massive problem on their hands… if it were Huckabee or Romney running, it wouldn’t be an issue. But they are running their most moderate-seeming candidate. Big mistake for the DNC to be changing all the rules for someone that is landslide-worthy against McCain.
McKinless you seem to be a troll in sheeps clothing.
obama is so much worse than a repub - and i pray we’ll never have to experience just how much worse.
and the democratic party has proven it is no longer democratic at all.
votes should be made based on the merits of the candidates, not the letters next to their names.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Democratic yes, Marxist No.
McCain is not the next George W. Bush. He’s a very moderate Republican. If you’re concerned about issues of national security like many of the people here are, he’s doubtlessly the logical choice.
Jimmy Carter 2.0 (god knows how many malaise speeches this one will give) will be too caught up in his lofty idealism (and not to mention too inexperienced) to deal with the issues that matter in an appropriate way, and a moderately successful Republican president will be way more desirable than a completely useless and ineffective Democratic one.
See anything progressive about this primary season? Then what makes you think Obama’s presidency will be progressive and decent? It won’t be, he’s just another Chicago crook.
If the Democratic Party is the only real choice, well, we have some serious problems. Progressives are supposed to stand against misogyny, media bias and the right for every vote to count. What am I seeing this election? The progressives joining in on the media bias, the misogyny and the utter horrible decision of not counting every vote. We can add on top of all this bullshit the fact they, the progressives, are trying to push out of the race, the “other” candidate. Never in our history has this happened. So you tell me, who the Fu-k do the progressives represent? Not Me!
Obi isn’t a progressive. He has some far left associates who repel even me. I’ve been a lifelong liberal dem, and he doesn’t represent me. I think he’s a fraud. I agree with terri above that he’s just another Chicago crook. He’s been picked by a power elite who control the party, he’s been marketed by the power elites who control the media. Real liberals have been screaming for media reform and campaign reform for years for just this reason.
I will not vote for Obama under any circumstance. I am leaving the party, although technically they left me. My registration as an Independent is ready to go out in Tuesday’s mail.
I’m sticking with Hillary. The recent noise has taken the wind out of people sails. I’m keeping my eye on the prize. It is stil doable and I refuse to listen to the noise. Let them all say what they want. We are back to moving ahead under the radar.
Me too !! I totally agree the we need a third party which represents the real people, not the media, blacks and latte-drinking elites.
Raj the party consists of real people. It’s the nutball fringe that is loud. When the voting occurs, the silent majority will speak. Just like all the other times.
AMEN. SO TRUE. THAT’S WHY PATIENCE AND CALM IS NEEDED.
The black working class are only with Obama because of the color of his skin. Otherwise, they would be voting for Hillary.
If you take away the blacks, then Obama’s core supporters are the elites. The same group that has lost the Dems election after election.
That said, I wish that Hillary would run as an Independent. I think that she could win the GE if she did so and beat both McCain and Obama.
I am with your there Craig and I’ve posted my comment at your website.
Fellow NoQuarter bloggers post at his website:
http://theheraclitanfire.blogspot.com/2008/05/to-hillary-campaign.html
Well, I agree. My whole family decided to vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. Obama has shown, that he really has not much idea about foreign politics. Well. let me see. Soviet Union was more dangerous than Iran, because the Soviet Union was a much bigger country in size? - has no clue about history or current affairs.- but we can all unite & get together- specially when we all give up our cars & set out thermostats for 80F in the high desert in the middle of suumer.
I really could go on and on.
Unlike the USSR, Iran will use the bomb if they get it, to wipe Israel off the map. Iran is a greater threat.
Maybe, instead of just holding your nose and voting for Old Man McCain, you can hold your nose, stomp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue in the face. That’s about the maturity level of the discourse here…
I would like to help you out. Which way did you come in?
I really like that one, Harp…I’ve been reading this blog for awhile now…am a 51 year old female, never a registered voter but this election if Obomba is nominated will register independent and vote McCain…I am appalled at this election…and for the first time in my life and actually afraid of what will happen to this country if Obomba sees the white house
lone star, i’m a fellow texan. and your post makes me wish we didn’t share the same state.
anyway, i’ll vote for mccain. you’ll clearly vote for obambi. mccain will win texas, no matter what either of us do. my vote for mccain won’t change that, but if i were to vote for obambi, i could not live with my conscience.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
We still get to vote Star. It’s not Marxism like your barry wants. The vote is still ours. And it will stay that way.
Yep, time is right for a new party… I too am so disillusioned by the democratic party. Over the years I have bitten my tongue and yes, was PAINED when Reagan was in office too, but the Bush administration has left me reeling.
The democrats have NEVER been able to quite get it right, though I was very fond of the Clintons. My feelings when the Republican attack machine launched after them; I felt like the DNC just let the Repubs steamroll right over them, and then again when Bush stole the Florida votes. The dems just let this crap go down because the repubs are such big bullies.
When the dems finally got a majority, they still roll over and expose their underbelly to this administration.
C’mon! Get a freakin’ spine! WHAT GIVES??
We as citizens must be more involved and hold every elected official accountable. I think it is time for some major housecleaning and we need to shake things up a bit.
If they refuse Hillary, I will vote for McCain over Obama too.
Well written article.
I am with you. No to Obama and the DNC
Not voting for Obama. Not voting for a third party. Not staying home. McCain gets my vote.
Right now I hope the Missouri Dem Party is reading this because down ticket Dems are also on my radar.
Who’s your Congressman?
If it’s Skelton or Cleaver, then they’re fine.
If it’s Clay or Carnahan, vote against them, they’re Obamabots.
Nixon will likely vote for Obama too, and shouldn’t get your vote either. Same goes for Robin Carnahan.
Gary I think you mean McCaskill, Sen. MO.
I want McCaskill in hell. It was women who voted her in but when she got a smile from Bambi she folded. God, it is disgusting the way she looks at him.
Any downticket Dem who supported Obama prior to the convention is on my radar.
I am working for Hillary’s nomination and will continue to do so with all the optimism and passion that Hillary herself is demonstrating.
Having said that, if Obama slimes his way in, I would rather see McCain win. If it looks like Florida will go for Obama, I wlll vote for McCain. (I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life.) If it isn’t close, I will write in Hillary, I will bring a pink Sharpie to do it, and I’ll post the picture of my ballot on my blog.
Thank you. I agree–no HRC for VP, let obama sink by himself. Out of the ashes, create a new party, and call it the Progressive Party of America. WE can build this in 4 years to clean upt the diasaster of barky obama.
Not nominating the popular vote winner is a slap in the face to all Hillary Clinton voters.
She should run with a third-party. She wins 22% in a three-way poll against McCain and Obama.
Putting Hillary as #2 to Obama isn’t enough either. It’s just a subtle slap at all women, saying that they should be below men.
Obama is an Affirmative Action candidate.
My Democratic governor in the State of Washington is in my radar now because she is for re-election and she went over to Obama even though our two female Senators did not.
She only won by a couple hundred votes in her last election and if a couple hundred of us in the state of Washington feel the way people do on this blog then she’s going down.
I’m in Washington too. Gregoire is out of there if she sticks by b.o.
I just checked and she’s still in the Obama column as an endorser.
So that means she doesn’t have my vote either. And I will not back down from this position.
Women who stab women in the back don’t deserve support — votes or donations.
As I have already said, Obama could pick my mother for VP and I still wouldn’t vote for him.
And if I were Hillary I wouldn’t be caught standing next to this slug. Why should she carry him,let him go down. Besides, why should a superior woman hold up a mediocre man, do his work for him and watch him prance and preen around taking credit. I say let him go down on his own and come back in 2012 on the I TOLD YOU SO party.
I’m with you, Uppity. Obama could pick my beloved grandson as VP and I still wouldn’t vote for him.
Some asshole Kool-aid drinking fool accused me of being a Republican and I realized that if Obama is the alternative, then I am. And that’s after almost 40 years of being a committed Democrat.
I’m with you, too, Uppity.
It would be the classic case of the more qualified woman taking second place in deference to a man. I was a member of NOW in 1978 (still have my ERA pin), and I can’t believe that 30 years later the most enlightened, educated, privileged people in the world are still debating sexism when other countries have already elected women leaders.
Not only will I not vote for Obama, I have decided to vote for McCain. That way my vote will count twice…the vote Obama didn’t get and the one McCain does get. Obama will have to find 2 voters to make up for me. I will do everything in my power to save our Democratic party from Obama…even if it means voting for McCain. At least we will have a party left to fight against McCain. If Obama wins, there will be no Democratic Party left to stand up for us. It will be Obama all the time. Even when Obama loses. Hillary Rocks. Obama sucks.
And count me - and my husband - in.
Count me in.
count me in too
me too.
I will not vote for BO even with Sen. Clinton as VP. There is too much we don’t know about BO. I still can’t figure out what his positions are on any issue.
If we keep a majority in the House and pick up 5+ seats in the Senate, that’s good enough for me. McCain is not Bush and with a Dem majority on the Hill we will be able to over-ride vetoes if necessary.
What I wanna know is “Why was Obama in Pakistan in the 1980s?”
Just imagine if he was actually providing support to terrorists at that time. It would sink the ticket and the party.
Not to mention the fact that Obama won’t tell us why he went to the Million Man March. Interesting how he goes to a pro-male rally, but is never “present” for women’s rallies.
He supposedly went to Pakistan to visit his mother who was working there.
I support Hillary and I have always been a democrat, but after witnessing everything that has gone on this primary season, there is no way I would ever vote for Obama. NO WAY.
I’m only staying in the dem party now because I think Hillary should be our president, but believe me, I will feel robbed if she does not get it, and I can go on and on about all the injustice of this primary season…but anyway, I would drop the dem party if Obama became dem nom. Iw ill NOT associate myself with these people. not will I reward all this insanity with a vote.
NOBAMA!
Ok I asked this a few days ago and no one caught it I guess but
What IF SHE manages TOP of the ticket but is forced to have Barry as VP.
Will any of you vote for her then?
I’ve decided that is ok with me but I probably can’t vote for her as VP either. It would be majority HIS group of thugs and she’d be pushed aside and maybe even threatened. Not a good idea. Bill’s just blowing smoke.
I think that’d be okay with me, but I’d much prefer someone like Mayor Michael Nutter. I think having Barry as VP would be a big mistake. Now you’re forcing all the people who didn’t want to vote for him (all us “uneducated, poor, working class,” etc.) to vote for him anyway. Would they vote for McCain instead, to avoid voting for the racist, misogynist, elitist Barry Obambi? That’s a hard question.
Someone on one of the other posts addressed the Hillary as VP rumor as perhaps a Clinton strategy…that by putting it out there, it forces Barry to either publicly consider it (showing fear and the need for her presence to get the base Democratic vote) or denounce it (turning over 17 million people off).
What I heard Lanny Davis say was that she was happy occupying RFK’s seat in the Senate and that she felt that she could do a lot of good work from there. But that she has not given up hope for the nomination yet!
Mayor Nutter for Vp. Works for me!
I’ve been thinking about Nutter a lot.
The obots who call us racist republicans are clueless. If the choice was between Nutter or McCain we’d be full force fighting with all we got for Nutter.
Obama earned our discontent every step of the way. Nutter is highly admired by Hill supporters - this “racist republican” would pick him over ob or mac anyday!
Everytime they call Hillary and Bill racist or republican tools it is horrific. When they call me the same it is personally offensive.
I would vote if he was VP. I don’t hate the guy, I don’t think he’s the anti-Christ. I just think he has a scant resume and it would be a slap in the face to women everywhere if he was given the top slot even though she could run the Country handily on her own. He needs seasoning.. OH.. and he needs to lose his shady associates and creepy big $$$ people that are pulling the strings (Zbig and others.)
A junior senator that never actually did his job, just ran for president, it NOT ready for primetime. I’d accept him as a VP. Only.
Not me. I wouldn’t have him for dogcatcher.
He is a danger to this country.
While I will not cast a vote for McCain, I will not vote for Obama. And Hillary, I believe, should have campaigned in the suburbs of Chicago before Super Tuesday. Lunch bucket Democrats in Chicagoland would have flocked to her, for they know and I know that she is the only remaining Democrat who understands our concerns.
If anybody understands the impact of people like Jackson, Sharpton, and Obama. It would be the hardworking whites of Chicago who remember the threats and scandal of Harold Washington.
Where was Obama when Washington thugs said any Southsider against Washington should be killed?
Hillary won Hammond and Whiting, both of which are white ethnic suburbs of Chicago. Imagine if she campaigned in the inner western and southern suburbs: she would have shaved his delegate count in at least four Congressional districts, for those voters are her base.
I think Hillary won high percentages in Lipinski and Gutierrez’s districts. But if the election were held now, she would win those districts easily.
Those people know of the Jeremiah Wrights of the South Side, but not enough of them knew of Obama’s obvious ties to that cult.
That makes sense, as these are heavily working class Polish and Latino districts. I know Obama lost Bridgeport to Hillary, and I think Hillary won the New Village and areas of the northwest side in Gutierrez’s district. I just think she should have held an event in Cicero and in Midlothian. Perhaps also in Park Ridge, as this is her hometown.
This article explains the situation quite well:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/787281,CST-NWS-dems11.article
“A lot of women wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton,” said mayoral brother John Daley, whose 11th Ward — the ancestral home of the publicly pro-Obama Daley clan — went for Clinton and Alvarez….
Illinois Democratic Party leader Mike Madigan’s 13th Ward on the Southwest Side went the same way. Aldermen Ed Burke (14th) and Dick Mell (33rd) both backed Obama and Allen, but voters in their wards did not.
“Clearly on the Southwest Side, the emerging force of the Latino vote — [Clinton and Alvarez] were just very popular with Latinos and women,” Burke said.
Both Burke’s and Mell’s wards are heavily Hispanic, and Obama has lower support among Latinos than from African-American or white voters, exit polls have shown….
But on Tuesday, most of those same white voters on the Northwest and Southwest Sides voted for Clinton over their own senator.”
Ditto, I will never vote for Obama. He offends me, along with Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, and Nancy Pelosi.
Craig, your sentiments and fears are ours as well, and I will be forwarding your comments to the DNC, Sean Hannity, Bill O’reilly, Nancy Pelosi, etc. I, too, will not vote for Obama, even if Hillary is on the ticket. I urge people, do NOT abstain from voting, and do NOT write in a vote for Hillary that may have no meaning! MAKE THE NEXT VOTE COUNT , and if Hillary is not the nominee, vote for McCain. An Obama presidency, even with Hillary on the ticket, would be detrimental to this country. We Dems will be leaving the party in droves, and the DNC appears to be totally oblivious! Their ignorance is utterly mind-boggling; they will all be left scratching their heads in disbelief come November, and the MSM, rather than tingles up their legs, will be feeling trickles instead.
I live in a red state so the electoral votes will go to McCain anyway. If BO gets away with the nom, I will change to Ind. and write in Hillary.
I think the Democrats prefer losing. Its so much easier. They can say we tried to get Healthcare for all Americans but the president wouldn’t work with us or we didn’t get enough votes.
They have before them a candidate who can win in November but they continue to push the loser. Well this time they can do it without my support. The survey the DNC sent asked–How concerned are you that Republican voter suppression schemes will disenfranchise Democrats and impact the outcome of the presidential race? The hypocrisy is galling because the DNC has disenfranchised Florida and Michigan which has impacted the nomination process for President. Perhaps they think we haven’t noticed. Because they also enclosed a note which supposedly came from Hillary Clinton urging everyone to give money to the DNC. I guess we’re supposed to say — well if Hillary says we should give money….
I am finished with the Democratic Party and I have voted for everyone of their losers. I will vote in 08 for Hillary or McCain. But I still hope that Hillary decides to run as an Independent instead of sticking with a party who does nothing but trash her.
To paraphrase John Locke: when their representatives fail to represent them, the people have the right of rebellion. I say it’s time. Enough is enough.
If Hillary is not the Democratic nominee, thenone of two things!
If the ticket became one of MCain/Clinton, I would vote it without a second thought!
If a ticket turned to be Obama/Clinton, I would not vote Democrat for the first time ever!
Under no circumstances will I ever in good faith vote for a person who is a pathalogical liar and a person who stands at a pulpit in a house of worship and flat out lies, as Obama did in Selma in January!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ad3Uo9niiU
for the ignorant Obamabots, Selma occurred 4 years after Obama was born and Kennedy’s did not partake in the airlift until a year after Obama Sr was in America and Obama was a seed in his mommy’s belly!
There is also a full transcript of his Selma claim on his official site. He clearly claims the march on Selma caused his birth.
“There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.”
The March on Selma was in 1965, Sen. Obama was born in 1961. Apparently his parents found a time machine after they met in 1965.
That was some long labor.
And was Obama born in a manger because there was no room at the Inn? Also, didn’t his grandpa raise the flag at Iwo Jima? I am so sick of this lying fool.
Under no circumstance will I vote for Obama. If Hillary doesn’t win, I will vote for McCain. It is my vote, my choice. The Democrats don’t want to count my Florida vote anyway, or care about another Hispanic…….no vote for Obama here….NEVER!
Well Florida, Donna Brazile says the New Party isn’t going to depend on Hispanics. The Ultimate Slap. No wonder hispanics vote Republican so often.
Uppity — how stupid Prima-Donna is. For years the Democrats have coveted the Hispanic vote which makes up almost 30% of this country and now Donna doesn’t give a damn — because Obama is upset that hispanics aren’t impressed with him.
I’ll take my chances with McCain and a Democratic Congress to keep him in line. Despite being a life-long Democrat, I can’t vote for someone I don’t believe is qualified for the job. Not after what I’ve seen over the course of the last 8 years.
I second all of that.
Exactly. We have been there and done that. We haven’t waited 8 long years for another preening puppet.
I am so happy to see that other Hillary supporters will not support Obama! I can’t imagine her taking a VP role under Obama, nor can I see him offering it to her.
He thinks that he will be able to win. What he doesn’t realize is that people like us will never vote for him and that what he’s really doing is setting this country up for 4 more years with a Republican in office.
I think it is important that those of us who will not vote for Obama and will vote Republican if he gets the Democratic nomination should make some noise; get the word to Obama that he is responsible for splitting the Democratic party!
Wonderful post!
Lucien
the people have the “right of rebellion.”
indeed
Now I understand “rebellion”. I’ve never wanted to fight for something so much in my entire life. This is the most important election of my life!
Shall we “raise the army”?
The People have rebelled against Marxist and left wingnut candidates right along. They simply don’t vote for them.
Another reason why I could NEVER vote for Obama for Prez. Did you hear about this??
T”his morning, the Obama campaign sent a transcript of Keith Olbermann’s attack on Senator Clinton to reporters.”
The ratbastards will not let this thing go. Their manufacturer outrage is Lee Atwater-worthy. Hillary’s campaign released a statement showing that she’d made those same comments in the past, and there was no outrage.
This is why I’ll never legitimize that filthy, scummy, campaign of his.
really, do you have a link? That’s news right there.
I’d like a link to the hillary camp part of your post as well if you don’t mind.
k?
You have got to be kidding me…my god after his camp sent the New York Post article to CNN etc, about Hillary’s comments now he want’s olberman to what receive commentator of the year? This guy is PATHETIC and the DNC is going to sit there dumbfounded as to why their guy didn’t win. (if he is the nominee)
The Obama campaign has been such a fraud that I believe it needs to be defeated at all costs. If not defeated in the primary, it needs to be defeated in November.
I think the press and the Obama campaign are making a big mistake in thinking that Clinton supporters will eventually move to Obama. They are closer to McCain than the pundits think. And it may be better to create a coalition of working class Democrats and moderate Republicans, than to try to work with the liberal patronage wing of the current party.
Is the book of revelation in the bible finally coming to its completion? It’s just so weird to me that so many white people that (majority are racist) not all are but all of a sudden they like this man. I mean look what happen with Dr. King. Someone once told me when I was about 12 years old that the day we have a black president it’s the end of days (Apocalypse). Wow damn I didn’t believe a day would come like this. So many people are fascinated with this man, some cry, faint, and idolized this man why??? All of a sudden??? His speeches are sooo powerful it knocks everyone down and makes them want him more. When this man came from no where and popped out of no where and what about his experience???? All I know is that there is something weird going on he brings something demonic behind him. He is brain washing all these people about “peace” and “we are the people”. Also some black people are saying “yes finally a black president” but the real deal is he is NOT BLACK he is deceiving all these people.
Karen it was the biggest marketing con job the media has ever played off, his crowds weren’t all that big until after NH when the media was reporting (falsely) that his crowds were bigger than Hillary’s, when the facts were that she was getting just as many people, and then the media jerks like mathews were coming out and claiming he was the “one” when he spoke, it sent shivers up his leg. The media pumped him up so high people were curious and of course the crowds grew and somehow it gave voters the impression that he had something really important to say, my favorite from the obamabots is he is a “visionary” and I have asked many times what has he said that is so invisionary? Uniter? bush ran on that in 2000, change in politics? bush ran on that in 2000. LOL sorry if this is offensive to anyone but there are a LOT of mentally retarded American’s in our country.
Obama’s playbook comes out of the Tavistock Institute and the Stanford Research Institute. It’s classic manipulation of public opinion–deliberate and coordinated. Then they bully and ostracize those who refuse to be manipulated. Think Soviet style propaganda combined with capitalist marketing. Bodes evil for an America under an Obama presidency. On top of it all they also have Nazi levels of hate for women.
zozos already been thinking and seeing it since January.
Well put…
This is also my view and I agree 110%
I agree completely and I hope somehow our voices get heard before it’s too late. If the superdelegates or the DNC allow Obama the nomination then they don’t have winning the general election in mind or what’s best for the party. Why should I remain loyal?
Wouldnt’ it really be something if all of us who cannot and will not support Obama could find some way to bring our protest to the Convention in Denver and make a stand for Hillary there?
I plan to contact the Clinton Campaign in Virginia, as well as Emily’s List, NOW and the HillaryClintonVotersCount to see if there is any interest in helping bring together such a group of Hillary supporters who could commit to being there in August to show our undying support for Hillary.
It would also be a great opportunity to make it very clear that we are as serious as a heart attack in our resolve NOT to support Obama, if the DNC chooses to ignore the will of the people when Hillary wins the popular vote and still anoints him the nominee.
I’m so glad you said this. I’ve been thinking the same thing. Count me in!
The last straw was the RFK smear. Completely intolerable.
I have been here/there (against O no matter what) for as long as it became clear to me that O was not just, not my choice, O was a disaster and that was about South Carolina time. I plead with all of you; it is not enough I think for all of us to NOT vote for Obama. We must vote for McCain; we must do this to help insure that McCain wins. We must do this because we must insure that O does not just lose but loses by a landslide. We must insure a landslide loss because we must destroy the neo-lib/anti-Clinton coalition that is trying to take over the Democratic party and turn it into something none of us can recognize. HRC can not run as an Independent and accomplish any real change AT THIS TIME. If she were to run as an Independent the chances are high that she would either throw the election into the House (in which case O would probably prevail) or she would just give either McCain or O a very slim victory. It would probably destroy her politically. That would not help destroy the cancer that is growing in the Democratic party and devouring it. Obama would be worse than GWB as president; he is already a clear echo of GWB’s inexperience, elitism, condescending attitude, arrogance and total inability to take responsibility. He is not progressive and has way too many advisors who are promoting libertarian panaceas rather than practical solutions. O is tearing this party and this country apart.
Obama’s appeal (to borrow the late, great DEMOCRAT Ann Richard’s words about Shrub) is to those on the Left who were born on third base and think they hit a triple. The attacks on Social Security, the Libertarian solutions, the pro-corporate stance, the faux intellectual “judgment” and “education” thing, all are examples of the narcissistic personalities that are attracted to The One and his Me First message.
This “uneducated” line is really getting ugly. What does that mean? It means you didn’t get a worthless BA degree from a state college, or a worthless MA. I’ve met plenty of hard-working white, black, and brown people who didn’t go to school after 12th grade, who are more highly “educated” than some I know with Ph.D.s.
When someone like Obama can become the editor/president of the Harvard Law Review WITHOUT writing anything, you can see just how rotten our higher education system has become. Obama’s appeal is to “classism”, and it is diametrically opposed to the traditional values of the Democratic Party.
I remember seeing Hubert Humphrey walk on-stage at the Democratic Convention as Aaron Copeland’s “Fanfare for the Common Man” played. What would Barack Obama walk out to? Elgar’s “Pomp & Circumstance”?
I’ve just been told yet again by some MSM talking heads that I will be good and loyal and come home in November if Obama is the nominee. So even though I’ve never posted here before, I just want to go on record and make my position clear:
I *WILL* vcte for Hillary if she is the nominee, even if Obama is on the ticket for VP. (I will also pray she has a food taster.)
I *WILL* vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, even if Hillary is on the ticket for VP.
I *WILL NEVER* vcte for Obama for POTUS.
Will the talking heads bet their last dollar? Ain’t gonna happen.
Fosbach, Don’t lecture us on our patriotism and loyalty. I was born a democrat 61 yrs ago into a family of working class whites. Obama is no real democrat. I will never vote for him. He’s not qualified to tie my shoes.
Fosbach,
You got it all wrong. Obama’s the loser because he will lose big in the GE, if he’s the nominee.
It’s his, the DNC’s, the media and his supporters who took their attacks to the extreme in such ways I was shocked and sickened that he and the DNC could stand silently by as a former First Lady and two-ter U.S. Senator was ravaged by what I viewed as visceral hatred and meanspirtedness that is simply unforgivable. How dare you call us losers.
By taking this hard core strategy, Obama, Axelrod, Dean, Brazile blew it, plain and simple.
BTW, Brazile stated on national TV that the democratic party didn’t need the poor, the women, blue collar workers, Latinos and Asians any longer. The DNC has created a “new democratic coalition” of AA’s, latte liberals and college students.
If this coalition isn’t broad or wide enough for “The One”, tough shit. He made his bed, now you all can lie in it.
Frankly, I don’t give a damn.
I, too, will vote for McCain. Obama is unbearable. I have blogged for over a year that this man is a TRAINWRECK.
Every day it becomes more clear.
For Dawnelle fm downthread:
Taking back back the White House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDU9xKNo-zo
“Met you in Ohio and ate your lunch”
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Saturday, May 24, 2008
Pundita: Barack Obama Deny Everything! political campaign at DEFCON1: Operation Board Games arrives at John Batchelor Show
The ever clever Pundita says:
Big time Chicago crooks and their politician puppets will be mainlining tranquilizers this Sunday night when Evelyn Pringle sits down to talk with John Batchelor.
Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and an investigative journalist who specializes in exposing corruption in government and corporate America. Up to this point her reports on the hideously complex web of crime and corruption that is Chicago politics have been mostly confined to the blogosphere. That will change tomorrow. RezkoWatch reports today:
It is possible that Evelyn Pringle, author of the articles on “Operation Board Games” and “Curtain Time for Obama”, may also be part of the New York 77WABC-AM Talk Radio broadcast; if not, she will be included in the second broadcast, 7-10 PM Pacific Time (10 PM -1 AM Eastern) at KFI-AM 640 in Los Angeles (live streaming at KFI640.com)1
What is Operation Board Games? It is Pringle’s term for the huge dragnet cast by Patrick Fitzgerald, the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois.
The dragnet operation, which spanned years, has snared scores of key businesspeople and politicians who use various Chicago government-related boards for their personal enrichment. There hasn’t been a law enforcement project like this in Illinois since the days of Eliot Ness and his Untouchables. The Department of Justice wants Fitzgerald to clean up Artful Dodger City — and Illinois residents who have suffered for generations under the rule of government-backed crooks are cheering him on.
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Obama’s chickens, or in this case, the chicken farm has come home…to roost
Wow!
Dr. Big Thumbs I’m so glad you’re here. Fossy stuck his head up his ass and can’t get it out.
I saw that!! Thank you!!
That’s a righteous video!!
Perfect for Saturday night!
I get nervous that the jury will let Resko off the hook because they love Obama and do not want anything to hurt him? What do you think?
Its tough to tell. But this investigation has been going on for years, and Patrick Fitzgerald is smarter than anyone in Illinois. That Scooter Libby case was thin as a wafer, and Fitgerald still came through.
The Feds also had an informant who was wired so there is real evidence not just heresay or circumstance. If Fitzgerald picked the right jury which I’m sure he’s capable of doing, and the people are fed up with all the corruption, then its 50/50. Rezko’s defense didn’t bring up any witnesses claiming the prosecution didn’t prove its case. One of Rezko’s character witnesses would have been Barack Obama, imagine that.
Even with a nott-guilty there will be other, even bigger trials, Gov. Blogjevich, and so on. With tape evidence, money trail, I think its a good shot, maybe even 70% chance. That’s a lot considering there are tons of money, domestic and international, that this case(s) is almost as important as this election. Its a good barometer as to justice getting back on track.
And to thing Bush and Rove were targeting Fitzgerald for dismissal in that infamous Attorney General scandal. Creepy and chilling.
ya think just maybe this is one of the reasons obambi is so desperate to get elected? (so he can fire fitzgerald, thereby keep his own skinny ass out of jail).
just sayin’.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Obama did just as we all knew he would with Hillary’s statement. He let the shit storm fly for a day and then says he takes her at her word. Now he thinks he looks like the good guy when he knows she was not talking about him, what an asshole.
Obama is a Narcissist. He thinks EVERYTHING is about him.
The Obama camp plays this game all the time. They slip anti-Hillary emails and calls to their friends in the media, watch the MSM beat up on Hillary for a day or two, and then Obama comes out and plays nice guy. It’s their M.O.
That tactic worked for a while, but I think the voters are getting wise to it.
It’s McCain over Obama for me, and so many of my friends.
Obama is a sinking ship, and I’d rather watch him sink himself than this country.
Hillary or McCain–unequivocally.
After suffering through all the disastrous policies of the Bush/Cheney
regime I am hoping that the next president will actually achieve some
good things. However, If Obama gets in the white house he will screw
things up worse. He will try to let black felons out of prison, he wants
to send 100s of billions of our tax dollars to Africa, and his only
concern will be for blacks. We can look forward to the Lincoln Bedroom
to be pimped out to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Robert Mugabe.
It’s gonna be ugly.
Let’s be fair. He would screw things up and “he wants to send 100s of billions of our tax dollars to Africa” is true, but there is absolutely no evidence of the other specifics here. We can hate him and still be fair.
Comment by Ulahane | 2008-05-24 21:31:40
Let’s be fair. He would screw things up and “he wants to send 100s of billions of our tax dollars to Africa” is true, but there is absolutely no evidence of the other specifics here. We can hate him and still be fair.
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Obama has an $845 BILLION DOLLAR Poverty Plan in congress now - money to send to OTHER COUNTRIES; since Obama is the author of the bill, I’m sure ‘his’ preferred countries get the bulk of the money. To all concerned, email/call/write YOUR senators and tell them to kill the “Global Poverty Act” - this is OUR tax dollars!
http://www.senate.gov - type in your zip code to get your senator’s email addresses
P.S. reparations for blacks…know what THAT means? Part of that COULD mean letting blacks out of prison - who knows what he’ll do. He follows his church’s “Black Value System”.
P.S. I don’t ‘hate’ him; I just don’t like him.
Comment by Ulahane | 2008-05-24 21:31:40
Let’s be fair. He would screw things up and “he wants to send 100s of billions of our tax dollars to Africa” is true, but there is absolutely no evidence of the other specifics here. We can hate him and still be fair.
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Obama has an $845 BILLION DOLLAR Poverty Plan in congress now - money to send to OTHER COUNTRIES; since Obama is the author of the bill, I’m sure ‘his’ preferred countries get the bulk of the money. To all concerned, email/call/write YOUR senators and tell them to kill the “Global Poverty Act” - this is OUR tax dollars!
http://www.senate.gov - type in your zip code to get your senator’s email addresses
P.S. reparations for blacks…know what THAT means? Part of that COULD mean letting blacks out of prison - who knows what he’ll do. He follows his church’s “Black Value System”.
P.S. I don’t ‘hate’ him; I just can’t stand him and what he stands for
I don’t think he’s for black people any longer than it takes to get their votes. If, God forbid, he gets elected, he’ll cater to his rich, white friends—namely the owner of GE/MSNBC. Yeah, please don’t be naive enough to think that their agenda is promoting race relations. There’s some other kind of deal going on there. Something to do with Iran, maybe?
Memo to Barack:
I know you are real busy saving the entire world from us pointy-hatted, post-menopausal, uneducated, CIA-affiliated, racist, bitter, gun-totin’, bible-thumpin’, typical white people, but I have a question. Why do we get new trolls here at NQ almost every day? Weren’t you paying Kevin, Jeff and B-Robb enough to get them to stick around for a few days? Or are they away on spring break, or busy with finals, so we can look forward to them coming back some day? Just wondering…
They seem to be paying trolls to alienate us further. Not sure what the strategy is there.
Oh, oh you forgot: with scary old vaginas
LOL. Too funny.
Their parents started censoring their internet use, because they were looking at porn. Poor things. How else will they ever see a naked woman?
Fossy’s still here, though. His mother posted above that he’s 23 and lives in her basement.
If Obama gets the nomination, the new slogan should be: “If McCain was good enough for Kerry, he’s good enough for us.” Remember that John Kerry asked McCain to switch parties and be his VP. Funny how Kerry is actually helping McCain now by supporting the weakest Democratic candidate.
You can’t define yourself as progressive and then be a misogynist.
The Faux progressive blogger boyz are prime examples - Markos, Marshall et al. Consider Olberman another prime example of a non-progressive liberal.
If not Hillary, then it’s McCain. Under no circumstances will I vote for Obama.
Great letter. I too, will never vote Obama for POTUS. What can we do about the media? Somebody suggested a class action law suit. Can we do that? And how would we do that? I am so sick and tired of CNN and MSNBC, and ABC, and actually all of them.
What are these pigs going to do if they do not have Hillary to kick around (the ratings are going to drop if she is not in the race)The guy Alex that was on CNN said sorry yesterday for calling Hillary and woman in general a bitch but did by saying I said something that was not right just like Hillary did about RFK (what a half ass sorry)
Go sleep it off Tricia.
No really his hair is turning gray take a look at recent pic’s
Oh, don’t worry. If Obama’s the nominee, they’ll turn on him faster than a rabid dog turns on it’s master. You mark my words.
You folks are a hoot!
I never thought that Scaife funded comedy theatre, but you are all worth every penny he kicked in.
Thanks — you made my day!
(s.) The Geezer
Hillary Supporters, return back favor of all those senators and congress men/women who are backing Obama from your district. They should see defeat in their next election.
I am from Pittsburgh and I will never in future vote for Bob Casey or Patrick Murphy who are still supporting Obama even after knowing their people voted for Hillary
I will not vote for Obama. If the time comes to cast my vote for the good of my country by voting for McCain, I will!
And because NONE of my state or national representatives or any of my local or state party officials dared to stand up for what is right, but stood by silently while fellow democrats and the media treated Hillary, one of the highest ranking democrats today, and her family are treated with such utter disrespect, they aren’t getting my vote either. We just do not see eye to eye and I will not support them.
I wish you or someone would start a third party. If Hillary is nominated we can merge the parties and fight to re-dedicate it to the common good. And if she is not nominated we will be ready to offer our nomination to Hillary. And spare her stumping for Obama, after all if she is going to have to work her heart out she might as well work for us.
Could we do a poll to see how she would do in a three way race?
thank you Craig…I feel the same way. I will never vote for that sorry excuse for a human….I have never ever voted Republican,,,but god as my witness I will…..
I’m with you 100% (and so are my mom and my best friend - that makes 3 more people). I have been following these campaigns since 2006 and I have been a lifelong Democrat, but to be honest, I am done. This election is a joke. I am not sure what to do, but I would join a left-leaning centrist party led by the Clintons in a heartbeat!
One other note - Mr. Della Penna your take on Obama a few days ago (on his followers, etc.) was one of the most brilliant analyses I have read this entire election year! Thank you - keep writing!
the best statement of the day, “Obama is an Affirmative Action candidate”.
In west TN, we continue to see the fall of recently elected black politicians who can’t seem to handle their new found authority, 13 of 15 indictments were black pols for taking bribes. Harold Ford Jr.’s uncle is in a Louisiana Federal pen for the next 5 yrs. It was in the Tennessee Waltz FBI investigation. I can’t imagine what types will be hanging with Obama if he is in the WH. His association with his Kenyan buddy is a bit too much, not to mention the unforgettable preacher Wright. more disgusting than Berry, can you imagine Michelle greeting foreign dignitaries.
People claim that McCain has a free ride in the press, they are too afraid of being labeled racist to call out Obama. Olbermann et.al are soooo upset, the ass holes!
if Hillery is not the nominee, I’ll either write in Hillery, or vote for Ralph.
Finally, the jerk Ben Smith at Politico posted the follow:
Here was the statement from the executive editor of the Argus Leader, where Clinton made her remarks:
The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy’s assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.
I guess they thought Hillary would quit or be forced out… Yet wrong again… Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead, I say onward to Denver!!!!
The way many democracy minded feel right now Hillary could raise her own army and take back the Whilehouse.
There is a sickening presence of a monster taking over this country if we the American people don’t a stand NOW for our country. The Constitution gives our press the freedom to investigate and report and distribute. It does not advocate the press take bribes. look the other way at their candidates indiscretion, demean the opposition, and basically run interference for the one person that could destroy this country from within.
If Obama has shown us anything its his strength to divide and agitate the Democratic party. We are at each others throats and we’re supposed to be on the same side. If Obama has wrought this thus far, heaven help America six months from now.
I live in Florida about 40 min from “Sunrise” FL Obama called it Sunshine Florida about 5 times in a speech yesterday (this is not the way to win back the Florida voters get the city right) Hey Alexrod maybe you should get Obama an ear piece so when he makes an ass of himself you can catch by 2nd or 3rd time and correct him.
Great letter, Craig. I share your feelings. I realize politicians have to have tact and work for the good of their party and all that, but this time I draw the line. I do not want Hillary on that ticket as VP. I do not want to see her campaign for Obama. I really believe he is dangerous for this country. You can’t slap a D upside his head and change that fact.
There comes a time, as many Republicans discovered during the Bush years, that you must put your principles before your party. We swear our allegiance to our country and to our Constitution, not to a political party or a politician.
Hillary won’t run as a third party candidate because she is a loyal and trustworthy person, but I would do a back flip (for the first time in my 46 years) if she did.
If she ran as a third party candidate, Bwak Obama could kiss his sorry ass goodbye and the world would be better for it.
Too bad her party hasn’t demonstrated the same loyalty and trustworthiness to her, but you’re right, she’ll be loyal to the end. They’re depending on it. What the DNC doesn’t realize is that at least 30% of her supporters know full well what they’ve done to her, and we’ll take our revenge out in the voting booth, even if she can’t.
We can only hope that Obama gets caught up in Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation IF HE IS GUILTY otherwise he is the Dem nominee.
I sometimes wonder if it makes any difference how I vote come November considering what the republicans and the media did to the likes of Al Gore and John Kerry. I believe that when they are finished with Obama McCain will win by a land slide.
I just found this site and I guess I am definitely one of you because there is no way on this planet I could cast a vote for the most inexperienced democratic candidate in history. I am so angry that the media has just relentlessly pushed Obama down our throats and most of my friends feel the exact same way. But turn on the TV and it’s like we are supposed to be these undereducated rednecks or something. Well, we are not-we are college educated hardworking Americans who will never ever vote for this unqualified poser!
Welcome aboard! This is an amazing blog!
Well that blows the myth that only blue collar workers support Hillary,I think she has universal appeal with many voters.
My thoughts as well.
Hillary cannot go on any ticket with Obama that will kill her political career, its better if she let him go on his own and sit there and watch, then she can tell them I told you so, nominate the wrong person and youy lose.
She has to make a clean break from that man, he is toxic, when the GOP start to unravel all they have on him no one would want to touch him with a ten foot pole, so I do hope that Hillary stays away from him is he gets the nomination and do not expect any second best post.
Obama may just try that because he knows he cant win without Hillary he is not stupid, but I do believe that they know if Hillary gets the nomination she is not going to pick Obama as her VP and that is what all of them are trying to protect.
They are fully aware that Hillary will stay far from Obama so that is why they want her out and want to close this down. Obama needs Hillary to beat Mc Cain, Hillary does not need Obama to win a GE.
source
I am from Pittsburgh as well. But work about 45 minutes away in rural Ohio (officially appalachia!) I am of the Hillary or McCain ilk. For what feel are very sophsticated, well thought out reasons. MSM bias, DNC tyranny Obama’s empty suit etc. I employ eight people in Ohio. None of whom are politically active, as I am. They know I support Hillary, but we generally do not talk politics at work. Of the employees, 6 are women-none with college degrees. 5/6 voted for HRC in the Primary, one didn’t vote. 4/6 voted Bush in 04, 1/6 Kerry. The two males are both masters degree or higher. 1/2 voted Obama, 1/2 McCain in Ohio primary. 1/2 Kerry, 1/2 Bush in 04.
Here’s where it gets interesting:
If BO is dem nominee
I vote McCain
4/6 women vote McCain, 2/6 prob won’t vote
2/2 males McCain (1/2 male has buyer’s remorse. He is GWM and catholic but after rev Wright says he could never vote BO, other 1/2 male is die hard repub)
These are not politically active women, they sought me out independently to tell me ths stuff, believe me I did not solicit it. These are ave, run of mll, 25k per year women who Obama has lost, not bitter bra burning feminazis like MSM would have us believe. I am rich white male, extremely liberal over educated lifelong, very politically active dem he has lost and my other employee is a gay male he has lost. I know this is just my little world but…
I live in probably the most affluent suburb of Pittsburgh, and there are only so many Range Rovers and Hummers with BO stickers on that can stomach (and only so many who wll cast votes) He cannot win wth rich liberals and blacks only. A third party is a great idea
Relax everyone. Hillary WILL be the nominee. Second week of July. It is going to happen. I have been watching primaries since 1952. I know it is hard to trust but she will be the next President of the United States.
Judy, you made my day. After dealing with this atrocious 24 hour news cycle, I was pretty much in tears every time I turned on the computer today and was greeted by an awful AP “analysis.” I really want to believe you… so I’m going to.
Stop reading that propaganda and keep fighting for Hillary!
Yes indeed!
Obama’s implosion in due time.
Hillary ‘08 + ‘12
Ya know you could be right.
I was just thinking how perfectly this would work out for Hillary if it goes all the way to August
She wins fair and square
And McKook only has 2 months to try to derail her before the GE.
ALL this time wasted on BO and she’s slid right into home under the wire. No tag, No foul!
HOME RUN! - A HILLARY LANDSLIDE
AND HISTORY IS MADE IN AMERICA
I don’t believe in this sort of thing, but the three psychics who were on FoxNews said that something big is going to go down in July. With everything else that has happened in this race, nothing will surprise me.
Comment by BerwynCicero | 2008-05-24 20:35:57
That makes sense, as these are heavily working class Polish and Latino districts. I know Obama lost Bridgeport to Hillary, and I think Hillary won the New Village and areas of the northwest side in Gutierrez’s district. I just think she should have held an event in Cicero and in Midlothian. Perhaps also in Park Ridge, as this is her hometown.
She should at least have made a stop here in Tinley Park. I don’t believe the good people of Tinley are all that thrilled with the Rev. Wright moving to our community. I am sure they would have turned out in droves for her. I hope we did anyways. My vote means absolutely nothing. Obama will carry this state big but he will be doing it without my vote. Can’t vote McCain though.
I will never vote for Obama, neither will any of the 9 voters in my immediate family.
17 members of my family, outside my immediate family, have all said they would not either. These 17, the only ones I have asked, live in 4 different states and range in age from 23 to 83, all Democratic voters.
They feel the same as I do. They would rather deal with a known like McCain than ever cast their lot with a total enigma like Obama.
Obama is like buying a pig-in-a-poke, and too closely tied to entities that we find repulsive. He has no history. His associates have too much history. Negative history.
We are used to dealing with far-right Republican machinations, we have learned to grit our teeth and survive them.
We have absolutely no desire to put faith in far-left Democratic cabals and learning how to deal with them. As we have seen in this primary, they are as vicious, pernicious, and totally lacking in substance as the far-right.
We will deal with the known devil. Obama and his shadowy entourage can go to hell.
They will never get our votes.
You know Craig…You might have something there!
After listening to RightWing radio and hearing Republicans who are very unhappy with McSame and constantly commenting on how much they admire Hillary’s spunk and hussle!
I’m beginning to think we just might garner many of those Pub votes…if Hill were running as an Independent!
LOL if Republicans say it, that truly is a compliment. I mean really.
Meant to say…HUSTLE!
If my choices are OB or McCain, I will have to stay home this November even though it pains me greatly; especially after my first vote didn’t count. But having survived the last eight years I know a bad candidate will end sooner than we think but if McCain gets elected he has already bowed to the religious right and stated that he will pack the Supreme Court with ultra-conservatives if he is given a chance. With the aging populas on the court the possibility is very real he will get a chance. The legacy of that, my dears, could well out last us all and I could not live with myself if I was complicit in it.
I live in Pelosi’s district. Let’s just say she’s lost my vote forever. She became the Speaker and ended up doing nothing about the war, and then had the nerve to tacitly support do-nothing Obama who shamelessly attacked Hillary for her vote on the Iraq resolution. Hillary has proven herself the populist heroic figure of this election year, battling the spineless Democratic leadership and the yellow journalism of the wrothless news networks, on top of the well-funded Obama machine. Viva Hillary! The one who deserves to win.
As for November, since I am an independent, I have no obligation to support an unworthy democratic candidate, and any politicians who support him will lose my vote for poor judgment.
Spot on!!! I have my independent party form ready to be mailed out, after 20 years of voting Dem. This party has failed me and all women big time in this primary. As for O-scamer, I knew from the day I saw at a rally he was an empty suit.
Well I’m here in Kansas the heart of Dean’s 50 seat disaster uhh strategy. Head cheerleader Sebelius.She’s gonna make my brown eyes blue this cycle don’t you know? I’m watching Congressman Moore very carefully and if he, a veteran, goes for Obama especially before a nominee is ahem picked I’ll vote for his republican opponent.I absolutely will vote for McCain over Obama as will my husband and we’re diehard dems. However, you sell us out and we care not a wit about the democratic party.Unity schmunity.
Our daughter in one of those fancy Ivy’s in NJ is going to vote McCain too as a protest due to the disparagement of Hillary and herself by extension.She wasn’t going to but McCain is popular there.Latinos really like him.
Of course I fervently hope some sanity will prevail and the electable, vetted, competent and compassionate dem will get the nom.But then with the confederacy of dunces we got running this shindig I won’t hold my breath.
So measure the drapes all you want Obama because there are many of the silent majority in the hinterland who are not buying what you’re peddling.We will have our say.
I have 11 family members in FL & PA that will not vote for Obama.
On Primary day I took my father to vote on the way out we stole an Obama sign and ran and put in the trunk (My dad wanted to put it in my Mom’s bed to scare her when she pulled down the covers that night it worked.
Hey on side note whats up with Obama hair he is turning gray? Take a look . He is changing his look first the flag pin, now some gray what next breast?
Obama — ever the fraud has decided that he will look like an elder statesman instead of a youth–what to you expect from a man who added characters to his autobiography? Nothing but Nothing will sell Obama to me.
I am a democrat only because I am supporting Sen Clinton. If she doesn’t get the nomination, I also hope that she runs as Independent. She gets my vote. My relatives and friends will also be voting her.
It is the two party system that is destroying this country. We need a third party. We cannot have our country be lead by a novice who is going to do a On The Job Training nor be lead by a Bush clone.
GO CLINTON !!!
LET US HAVE A DAY OF PROTEST AGAINST THE MSM AND A DAY SHOWING SUPPORT TO SEN CLINTON.
HOW ABOUT A NOISE RALLY ON MAY 30?
Might not be a bad idea. How would we go about it or organize?
If our founding fathers knew what this political system we have today was doing to this country, they’d roll over in their graves. They never had the intent of the government controlling us, that is why they wrote the constitution.Here is also what Our founding fathers said:
“A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.”
Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774
“All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride legitimately, by the grace of God.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826
Thomas Jefferson said,”A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.”
Thomas Jefferson
He also stated:”Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government. ”
Thomas Jefferson
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.
Thomas Jefferson
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”
Thomas Jefferson quote
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…”
Thomas Jefferson quote
“No government ought to be without censors; and where the press is free no one ever will.”
Thomas Jefferson quote
“[The purpose of a written constitution is] to bind up the several branches of government by certain laws, which, when they transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion, on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender those rights.” –Thomas Jefferson
“It [is] inconsistent with the principles of civil liberty, and contrary to the natural rights of the other members of the society, that any body of men therein should have authority to enlarge their own powers, prerogatives or emoluments without restraint.” –Thomas Jefferson
“Unless the mass retains sufficient control over those entrusted with the powers of their government, these will be perverted to their own oppression, and to the perpetuation of wealth and power in the individuals and their families selected for the trust. Whether our Constitution has hit on the exact degree of control necessary, is yet under experiment.” –Thomas Jefferson
“In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.” –Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:380
“[An] act of the Congress of the United States… which assumes powers… not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void and of no force.” –Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:383
“Aware of the tendency of power to degenerate into abuse, the worthies of our country have secured its independence by the establishment of a Constitution and form of government for our nation, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse.” –Thomas Jefferson to Washington Tammany Society, 1809. ME 16:346
This is why I can vote for a Republican in good conscience without having to “hold my nose” or “stomp my feet”. I’m an American first and a Democrat second. I vote for what I think is best for American—not one particular party or candidate.
We (government and people) need to update the Constitution powers to strengthen or regulate the
‘free press’. Although the press is not censored per se, MSNBC NBC and CNN, are censoring the truth and are wholly biased towards Obama.
A return of the Fairness Doctrine would help but unless regulated to present ‘both sides’ free of personal opinion and spin, I can’t see the press changing drastically.
We have to thank the technology of the internet for access to unfiltered information.
Lately we’ve seen bizarro behavior from the news media, from 90% tilt to Obama, to the RFK alleged
smear. The press is in a tizzy because the real truth is about to drop and they are going to look like conspirators, complicit in the rise of this manchurian candidate.
Craig -
Excellent letter, but just a point of correction from Hillary’s own website:
She is NOT a lifelong Democrat. She started out as a Republican. We won’t hold that against her, though.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/growingup/
About the media: At least one liberal talk show host on KGO in San Francisco came to HRC’s defense on the Kennedy comment today, bashing the corporate media for unfair coverage.
Even ardent Obamaphile Mark Kleiman defended Hillary on his blog:
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/05/bobby_kennedy_was_assassinated_in_june.php
Here’s Kleiman’s conclusion: “… it’s absurd to read anything nefarious into her remarks. And I wish the Obama campaign had resisted the temptation to get huffy.”
Rise, Hillary. Rise.
If HRC is not the DN I will vote for McCain. But it won’t because I don’t like Obama, or because of how he’s run his campaign, it will be because the job of POTUS is just too important to give to someone who is not ready.
If the RN was anyone other than MC, I might take a second look, but I respect McCain, and though I don’t share the same views as he does on many issues, I believe he’s a decent guy. He’s a rare politician who stands up for what he believes in even if it goes against the party line or the political winds. Although I am a life long Democrat, I have never voted the Party, I have always voted the candidate and I am not going to change now. I do not trust BO I think he is the product of bad company and I think his sympathies are dangerous for America.
I’m wondering about doing something with the FCC. Aren’t they violating their licenses to broadcast by airing information that is often fraudulent or slanted or not newsworthy for public consumption???
When I say `they,’ I mean the broadcasters CNN and MSNBC. They lease the bandwidth over which they broadcast and the content is supposed to be for the public good.
Bravo. I have been a lifelong Democrat but I abhor this new Obamacrat party that is Libertarian, and sexist and could care less about women and the working man. I despise Obama and everything he represents. He’s not a true Democrat and I would never vote for him. Hillary would win if she ran as an independent or as the leader of the labor party.
I think MI had and has good reason to want to move their primary date up. Why not give manufacturing employees the same attention we are giving to Latinos and African Americans?
Well said. A lot of people agree with you 100% and I am one of them.
Craig your article so absolutely spot on amazing !
I not only won’t vote Obama I also did not and won’t vote Durbin or for my Congresswoman ( who recieved $19,000 from O ) in the GE. After 40 yrs as a Democrat I will vote McCain.
The way this Party has allowed Hillary and Bill Clinton to be so disrespected is beyond the pale.
And it seems the Dems have found a solution to the vote stealing of the Republicans…They now have their own potential nominee who has been stealing votes through out this primary.
Between the Caucus’s and Indiana especially, I’m afraid if Obama is the nominee he might just steal the GE.
BUT HE WON”T GET MY VOTE!
Oh, yawn. Not yet another call for a thousandth “third” party.
That’s more along the lines of what Obama would do, as neither he nor his youth brigade are Dems.
You know, that was the entire plan, to get the candidates down to the black man and white woman and divide the two biggest constituencies of the Democratic Party. No, I would never vote for Obama, because even a wolf is better than a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but the idea is to teach the Dem leadership a lesson, and improve primaries in general, not to remain divided, which would be Rove’s wet dream.
And let’s concentrate on something positive and useful, such as pressuring the Super delegates to choose Hillary, instead of fruitlessly imploring Hillary to enact part of Rove’s game plan.
I just wrote to Hillary and urged her to run on an independent ticket if the dems push her out. I think it would be one of the best presidential elections ever… Hillary breaking even more barriers than she already has! If any of y’all feel the same, I urge you to flood their suggestion box with letters.
here’s what I sent:
Quote:
Dearest Hillary and Team,
If the democratic party bulldozes you, and you don’t end up with the democratic nomination, I urge you to run for the President of the United States of America as an Independent. Not only have you made history (or, hillstory) by breaking so many barriers, being in the top 1% of women in our history/world whom have made great change in the open, not behind the scenes, and by standing strong despite everything the media, republicans, AND democrats have thrown at you… I believe you are not finished making Hillstory… I believe that you can become our first woman president, one of our most brilliant presidents, a president who will accomplish more positive change in the US than any president we’ve ever had, AND our first president elected on an Independent ticket. I believe your ticket would be VERY competitive, and have just as good of a chance as Obama and McCain, unlike the third party tickets of the past.
I, personally, feel very disenfranchised by our party for standing by and allowing the main stream media to conduct a modern day witch hunt against you. They have turned their collective backs! The way you have been treated is a huge slap in the face to women around the world… and I’m in awe that you haven’t been knocked off of your feet from the sheer force of it all!
I’m going to resign as a democrat and register as an Independent because I’m not sure that I believe in our party an longer. I can’t stand with a party that can allow such blatant sexism to play out and pretend as if it’s not happening. Women are not oblivious to this. Women everywhere can feel it, but we’ve been beat down for so long that we default to our learned helplessness and allow ourselves and others to rationalize and explain its existence away. And for those of us whom are vocal about it, and name it, we are made to look like raging feminist lunatics.
One thing is for sure… I’m voting Hillary Clinton in November, no matter what. I hope your name is officially on the ballot, either as a democratic option, or as an independent. If not, I’ll be writing you in. If the Dems push you out, run anyway. “Shut up, sit down, and be a good little woman” doesn’t seem to fit you very well. Change history Hillary! Start a new chapter!! If anyone can, YOU CAN and YOU WILL. I, along with millions and millions of others, believe in you, Hillary Clinton.
Hillary 2008!
trading wine for beer — great letter. I agree completely.
I HIGH ADVISE YOU FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE “WALK A MILE IN OUR SHOES” CAMPAIGN
Basically, get a pair of old women’s shoes (any), put them in a box and send them to the DNC with a nasty note telling the DNC leadership to count the Fl/MI votes, make a strong statement about the rampant sexism that has been going on in the media/press and then tell them that you will NOT vote for the democratic ticket if Fl/Mi are not counted, seated and allowed to participate like any other delegation in the Denver convention.
You have to do before May 31. Please it won’t cost a you a thing, just $3.5 as shipping cost.
My wife just got rid of all her old shoes and we sent the DNC 12 boxes. Please do it.
Bye everyone. Good luck on this site.
I’m frankly too stressed out on this site and will just move on. I think I’ll stick with my blog writing and write on other issues and continue to do work to help support our troops and other causes. I don’t know if Hillary will win, but win or lose I still think she is a great woman. But I just realized I don’t want to get caught in the crossfire. It’s over for me here.
What I can’t get over is how so-called ‘friends’ of the Clintons are going for Obama. Like when Richardson endorsed Obama (Carville was right to call him Judas); you KNOW that hurt. Of course the pundits say ‘well, if their friends are jumping ship, that says a whole lot about Hillary.’ But, I say - they’re deserting Hillary ONLY because they ‘think’ they’ll be part of the big O’s cabinet because he happens to be in the lead, and they are SO sure he’s going to be president.
Whatever happens, I hope Hillary remembers her ‘friends’. I find that very sad, and I really don’t know how Hillary keeps going.
brendy — Obama has been bribing people to support him. If they are that easily bought they aren’t friends.
To Kay Green,
Respectfully, one does not get caught in cross-fire unless one chooses to stand in the middle of a situation.
If you have not been able to discern the difference between the reality based, history based, performance based, pragmatism of Hillary Clinton supporters, versus the glowing, messianic, I/we will change things, you should place your hope in me/us, rhetoric of Obama and his supporters, you need not fear cross-fire. You are not in the middle, you are undoubtedly in the Obama ranks.
For most of us on here there is no middle. We have chosen HRC from the beginning, and still stand by her. We will not be moved, cajoled, or bullied. Our presence is felt now, and our power and resolve will become clearer with each passing day. Each inevitable, still to come, insult toward HRC or us will only unify us more.
We have never bent to any of the machinations of the Obama campaign and its minions, the incredibly inept and partisan DNC, nor to the ludicrous, inane, and perniciously partisan media. We never will.
We accept, and repulse, the lame and pitiful in-coming fire from Obama folks, the DNC, and the media, based on our considered belief and choice re HRC. One way or another, we inured, much maligned and denigrated, die-hard HRC supporters hold the key to this election. We shall determine the outcome!
I hope you find your sought for comfort with the Obama supporters.
Mike–Obama and Dean have made a big mistake in tossing us Hillary supporters aside. We hold the key to the election and everyday it will become more and more apparent. If we all stand by our decision not to vote for Obama we could be saving this country a huge headache.
I woke up. I am still a Hillary supporter but will do it in my own way. The thing is I started thinking, I find the statements that Obama supporters make here many times appalling and offensive, they resort to the name calling,sniping and all that. But I noticed something too, you all do it too. I have to admit I have done it here to a certain extent, so I can’t say I didn’t participate in it. I’m not going to stay and continue to engage in the attack party anymore. And to be honest I don’t hate Obama Barrack, but like you I agree there are serious doubts about his credibility and you have some legitimate concerns about him becoming president, among other things and I won’t discredit your research,I learned a lot from this site, but I no longer want to be a part of the hate campaign, I know the Obama camp is as bad , but stand for your candidate and don’t play the same games that they do. That will not help Hillary Clinton one bit. So count me out.Thanks but no thanks. I wish you the best of luck.
It may seem easier to take a slow boat to China to get away from these Obama-nuts, if they are pissing you off now, just think what will happen if the are allowed to gain power.
If you just give up then the Obamamites will say ‘mission accomplished’. They want to wear you down, stress you out, demoralize you with their lies.
Take a cue from Hillary, she is impervious to verbal attacks.
I wish you luck in your endeavors for Hillary.
I think I recognize your words from earlier but under a different name.
No matter.
I definitely think you should vote your conscience. That’s always been Hillary’s message, too, btw.
And if you need to find a blog that scrubs the mroe colorful posts, do so.
I posted earlier that I have MY limits. I do NOT wish to read posts about Viagra and the campaign.
I hope I can ignore them But that type of of sheer emasculation just bothers the heck out of me.
We each have our own standards. So far, I’m hanging in with free speech…..up to a point.
I felt a girdle around Talkleft.
I felt a beating around Huffpot.
I felt claustrophobic at Taylor Marsh.
You have to figure out what works for you.
I would suggest. None are perfect. You’re unique. So am I.
There is no identical blog that represents me.
I think open dialogue is the best to ask for. And I’ll just have to close my eyes to the Viagra posts.
I think Obama’s campaign strategy is to get “Huffy” about everything. If it isn’t huffiness..”that has no business in a campaign”, it is implied or outright accusations of racism.
As for Hillary Clinton running as an independent? I don’t know about that. She has been around awhile and knows the prevailing winds within the party. However, I am dead set against her running as VP…
I am also not leaving the party yet. The only problem with “independent” is that it isn’t a party,but rather an affiliation with a “non-party”.
I remember when Dean ran, there were voices of concern that he would be a disaster if he got the nomination. The DNC made the mistake of giving him the keys to the party as a consolation prize. They simply wanted his donor list. His mismanagement has made that donor list useless as no one is contributing to the party. The people who supported Dean and those who now support Obama believe in the party of Obama, not the democratic party. Those who still believe in the “party” are not contributing now either.
I have been a democrat well before this “new coalition” of non-democrats. I will give the DNC a chance to clean house and straighten their act out. When the party returns to its roots of representing the people with no voice and that does include the coal miner and the grocery clerk in WV, as well as someone like myself.
linda you make some really good points. On the DNC Survey they ask:
Volunteering time at a local campaign or Party headquarters. check
Making phone calls from a phone bank. check
Organizing an event or fundraiser in my home or community. check
Going door-to-door in my neighborhood. check
I have been very active in this election and as a volunteer for the last 40 years. If that isn’t good enough and this party — now in the firm control of the Obama people has decided to throw us lifetimers under a bus then I am going. And lets see who is going to miss who. I thought about becoming a Republican but I could not make that leap however, being an Independent is perfect for me.
I understand how you feel but the only way to rest our party away from these cultists is to leave it. They will see they cannot win without their base and dump Dean and the rest of the zealots but if not maybe we can have more sway with Republicans then we have had with Democrats.
There is an old saying — Familiarity Breeds Contempt
The DNC is hell bent on ignoring the core of the democratic party. If the DNC thinks it can win elections with the elite, the black community, and the college students ONLY, then they are essentially saying we do not need the DEMOCRATS anymore. I too would like to see Bill and Hillary Clinton reestablish the democratic party minus the present DNC. If and when Obama takes control of the DNC it will only continue to erode but at a much faster pace. Obama has screwed up every thing he has come in contact with, especially the young first time voters who now think elections are about race and gender above all else. Thanks to Obama’s Alinski (marxist) tactics.
The hysteria over Hillary’s remark shows the reason for the divide in the party. The demonization of Hillary for a year has led many people to assign the most nefarious motives to her every word. It’s just too nuts.
Today there’s an editorial regarding Obama’s campaign saying that only Bill Clinton can unite the party. Unbelievable….LOL* After being trashed for a solid year? Obama would be lucky if Bill Clinton gave him as much of an endorsement as Jimmy Carter is now helping Hillary!
I have two near draft age children and I too would like to know John McCain’s “strategy” for “victory” in Iraq and in “dealing” with Iran.
If he has any chance of becoming president doesn’t he have an obligation to be a little more forthcoming on this than he has been so far? If he really believes in his “plan,” then convince me now. I think he really doesn’t have this plan.
I don’t think he’s for a draft, if that’s what you’re worried about.
Craig:
You are not alone. I too will have to hold my nose and vote through tears for McCain if Obama is the nominee — even with Hillary as VP. Many Obama bloggers are accusing us of doing this out of immature resentment because our choice was not nominated. But this misses the mark. We will vote against Obama because we are voting against the hijacking of the DNC by extremists.
Thank you for your honesty. It helps me keep my resolve to vote against Obama should — god forbid — he steal the nomination in August. I’m still hopeful the superdelegates will do the right thing…but my hopes have been dashed so many times before.
That is another issue with McCain. I have a son in high school and I will be damned if his plan includes any sort of draft or obligated service. One objective he has stated is packing the Supreme Court with ultra conservatives. Another plan that could take decades to correct.
FL Voter–McCain is not a rightwinger and I think he has to pacify the right who don’t trust him. However, if he inherits millions of us Dems perhaps it would push him further to the center.
I will not vote for Barky for Prez, period. That does not mean I have to vote for McCain however. I refuse to take responsibility for that train wreck. I will show up to vote for dems in my state races. Hillary would be foolish to be trapped with BO as VP. After watching a video someone at NOQUARTER ran of all the hatefilled really evil things BO supporters said (in print and on video), I would be very concerned for her safety as Prez. Even on the BBC news today someone said “it was time to put a stake through her heart”! The language used against her has been extreme. And this from enlightened, educated people who consider themselves evolved unifiers. Go figure
I WOULDN’T VOTE OBAMA. NOT IN MY LIFE TIME.EVEN IF THEY CLAIM HILLARY ON A TICKET-MSNBC MBC ARE SAYING THAT HILLARY IS JUST STAYING IN TO BE ON THE TICKET.THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF THEM GETTING OUT WHAT PEOPLE ALL READY KNOWS THAT IT’S HILLARY AS PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT’S COMING DOWN AND WON’T MSNBC-MBC BE THE BUTT END OF THEIR MEDIA.
AND THAT WILL BE NEWS WORTH WATCHING-
Gutsy stuff!!!! Bravo!!!!!!! Hillary, don’t let them use you!!!!
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pingback — McCain isn’t stupid and wooing us Democrats is not a bad idea. I noticed the top of the site with McCain’s picture says New Republican Party. So the Democratic Party is tossing us out but we have a new home with Republicans — go figure.