Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else [UPDATED]
By Larry Johnson on May 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM in Current Affairs
Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom. Consider Tom Hayden, one of the mainstays of a group called “Progressives for Obama.” He was on NPR this week and said:
“If there were the theft of a nomination, if that was the perception of the Obama supporters, then probably there would be a ‘68 scenario.”
Theft. How in the hell is it theft? Neither Barack nor Hillary have won enough delegates to win the election. Barack has 1661 and Hillary has 1499. CNN maintains you need 2026 to win the nomination. So, you don’t have to be real smart to realize that both candidates do not yet have enough votes and will require the support of the Super Delegates in order to win. In other words, it is in the hands of Super Delegates.
Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd. Here’s a radical alternative. Let’s use reason and intelligence. Is that feasible?
For starters, Super Delegates should take a look at the terrific analysis presented by Peniel Cronin. Cronin uses cold hard facts to demonstrate that Hillary, not Barack, is most deserving of the support of the Super Delegates. She has won more votes and won more in states that will count for Democrats come the fall. I challenge any Obamaton to refute these facts. Please download and read: 2008caucusreport.pdf
But the Obama fantasy train wants passengers to believe that Hillary is behind. That Hillary cannot win. It is a damn lie.
Having decisively won the most votes and crushed Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky–as well as racking up victories in Florida, Texas, and California–the notion that Barack is most competitive for the fall campaign is laughable.
Unlike the Barack bulllies, Hillary and her followers are not threatening to set the streets of Denver on fire. They are not threatening to beat the crap out of police. Nope, we will argue facts. And thanks to folks like Peniel Cronin, there is hope that reason may prevail.
Update: And who can forget these golden nuggets from Barack and Donna:
Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.”
Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts — Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick — should defect to Clinton?
Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”
First, EARTH TO DONNA. When are you going to quit? The Super Delegates will make the decision. Be a woman of your word. Make our day. Please!!
Second, Barack, we agree with you. And if these rules are followed Hillary also has the majority. But I hold out little hope that you, Barack, will change.
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Well maybe we should.
Riot gear, anyone?
I have noticed that NONE of the once very verbal OBAMA endorsers have had much to say in the last few weeks
NO clutchy Claire, no kite flying Kerry, no Tom Dashaway, no crazyCasey even… and what about the once SANE Russ Feingold? What ever happened to him? (body snatchers?)
what would be their excuse? Teddy’s brain cloud?
it’s sickening
I was wondering about that. Where is Tom Hanks and Dave Matthews?
What about Oprah (I quess she is to busy picking her ratings up off the floor)
LOL.
Any thoughts about the impact of Sen. Kennedy’s ill health on the nomination? He has been a formidable mover and shaker in the Senate for a very long time. If he should become incapacitated, it might cause a power shift in the Senate as well as the Party. Obama may become less important if others see a chance to fill that void. Maybe that’s why the politicos and others have toned down the Obama worship. It’s power they want-one way or the other.
no kite flying Kerry
Hey, I resemble that remark!
I know I should have used the wind surfing but it didn’t match!!
hehe!
Kites are really very cool!
my bad
We’ll need riot gear AND Obama’s Uncle Sergei (the Russian storm trooper)to stave off a disaster!!
Yes, riot gear AND Obama’s Great-Uncle “Sergei” to liberate us.
My riot gear will be a vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee along with actively working on his campaign.
This country is not ready for an Obama presidency nor an Obama nomination!
Does this mean the threat of a riot will only take place if Hillary is the nominee…and not if he looses the Oval office?
There is a part of me that says … make him the nominee …… let Hillary show her support….and he will STILL LOOSE !!!!! McCain will win …. and Obama, and his supporters can pack their toys and go home.
BHO and Michelle… can pack up and leave the country that they so disdain anyway.
BHO needs to get out of the Senate as well.
If he would just go away… it might be worth letting him have the nomination and then loose in November!
Uggh……
Rise Hillary Rise…..
he will still lose and she will still be blamed.
no matter what happens she is to blame. The level of irratinality is bizarre.
Still, sorry to disagree I cannot support McCain for anything.
He and his ilk will finish this country.
At least we would know that Obama has strong others who will be looking over his shoulders, others with values closer to our own and that includes Hillary. I don’t underestimate her ability to go back to the senate and work her ass off and file away her resentments. AND, I’d like to see her as Attorney General. NOT VP.
I say NO to war mongers and those who do not believe in and support personal freedoms. I want our people home… and even with Clinton it isn’t going to be easy but with McCaain it will be impossible.
I understand making a protest but I cannot understand bringing someone who is so far removed from my own and Hillary’s positions into office.
I don’t have to like Obama or anything about the way he has conducted himself but having McCain in office makes the possible issues with Obama pale by comparison.
I do consider writing Hillary in as a good alternative and I am considering that.
This way I can register my protest and not be carrying the burden of voting for that nut.
My computer is acting strangely, the letters coming up very slowly. odd.
Good night.
You’re talking about a candidate whose supporters are threatening physical violence if he is not the nominee and you think he’ll have people looking over his shoulder to make sure he does….what, exactly? Wow. First off, I know this country is at a low point but we are not at the banana republic level yet. The guy with the biggest gang/thugs doesn’t win the election. And who exactly is going to be looking over his shoulder? Yeah, like that really worked out for the republicans and Dubya. I’m sure they thought they had him under control too. Sorry, Barky is way too dangerous and stupid to put him in the White House. I will not ba a party to exposing an already weary world to another American Tragedy. Hillary and then you won’t have to worry about Mccain.
I agree – Obama is FAR more dangerous than McCain. I have absolutely no faith that his TRUE policies would be closer to Clinton’s – why should I? Look at who he has surrounded himself with in his life – crooks and terrorists – every last one of them – and all of them have connections to the Middle East and are anti-Israel – EVERY SINGLE ONE…Hello? I’m supposed to push the VOTE button for that complete liar, fraud and CROOK? Not a chance.
At least we would know that Obama has strong others who will be looking over his shoulders,
I thought the same EXACT thing about GW. And this time around I am JUST as concerned about who those “strong others” are. We have seen some of them already. Carter Zbig and “the informals” and Hamas(eh “The Informals”,a 50’s do-wop band) NO thanks.
I will go with the guy who actually has been on the receiving end of the torture and gets it. I with Strawberry on this one.
Much of what is coming in the next four years is going to happen, no matter who is POTUS. But if it is not Hillary, it damn sure is not going to be BO by my vote. AND I will Vote! I am NOT staying HOME> The polling place is on the otherside of my fence, plus I WANT my “I voted” sticker and also to thank the “elderly people” who work the poll.
I’m not worried about Hillary being blamed.
There will be a wealth of info made available by the Republicans that will make it difficult for voters to choose BO.
BO supporters can blame all they want and look anywhere but in the mirror.
You make your choice; I’ll make mine.
But the candidate I see as more dangerous to our nation, given the threat of violence from his supporters and the Chicago machine tactics I’ve seen his campaign use to trash anyone in their way?
Barak Obama.
He and his peeps are DANGEROUS. Period.
Your comment reminds me of, gosh it seems a hundred years ago, when everyone started to realize how lacking Obama’s health care plan was. I read in Digby and on Open Left that it would be “ok” because “they” could hold Obama’s “feet to the fire” once he was elected and get UHC. I was flabbergasted and told them so.
Don’t even think you can influence Obama if he gets power, Ayres and Rezko got there WAY a head of you, and you are just a tool.
Isn’t that cute, how they think they have power?
You want Rove, you get Rove.
Look at the Cheney-Bush White House, it’s your future.
If Obama were to succeed, which he won’t.
With McCain, what you see is not what you get. He is not a diehard conservative. Anyway, even during the conservative governments, many of the compassionate social agendas have remained.
Obama scares me more than McCain – and I am a liberal.
McCain would be a one term Pres. anyway. I think he is much less conservative than he appears. Besides, with a Dem. majority in the House & the new seats we will pick up in the Senate, it will be difficult for the Repubs. to force their agenda through legislation.
That’s good enough for me. BO is a complete blank. His focus is winning the title President Obama-it’s the people behind him who will pull the strings, like Axelrod. That’s what scares me.
Has anyone considered the fact the the Dems in house and Senate have received lower ratings than Bush? They are no better at this point. IMO, the only choice we have is to vote for patriotism, American values, and national security. McCain is the only choice if Hillary is not the nominee. A write in, no vote, third party vote, or staying home does not help an opponent defeat Obama.
ohmercy,
Unlike Obama and his gang of thugs, I respect your entitlement to cast your vote any way you choose. This is a democracy.
However, I respectfully disagree with your choice, for many of the reasons already posted in response to your comment.
Much is made of McCain being this serious nutjob? Really? He’s been in public office how long? And he’s a danger? Sorry but I don’t buy it. Especially when you look at his record, which has made him less than popular with the members of his Party who I happen to consider major nutjobs.
I think his stance on the war has been presented in a way to make him seem extreme. I happen to be one of these people who have faced the reality that neither Clinton nor Obama is going to bring the troops home in the way they are promising. None of us average voters are military experts nor do we know the lay of the land in Iraq. The last thing any politician wants to do is to be stubbornly determined to honor an election promise that would cause remaining troops to be slaughtered in large numbers as a result. McCain, unfortunately, is being brutally honest about what is going on in Iraq. And most people don’t want to handle that truth. They want Obama’s fairy tales.
McCain will be a one term president. His age, coupled with the difficulty of governing after the Bush Administration, will give true Democrats the chance to throw the Dean, Brazile bums out and get a real nominee next time. It’s called ‘acceptable losses.’ I’m willing to gamble it. Especially because cleaning up Bush’s mess is going to be a formidable task no matter who’s president. So maybe a McCain presidency would be a blessing in disguise since any president will be unpopular.
I do know, that I ain’t going down without a fight against these so-called Progressives trying to take control of the Party. If we let Obama win, THEY WIN. I’m not about to let that happen, even if it means voting for McCain. Look, it could be worse, we could be voting for a real right wing nutjob. If we allow an Obama presidency, look for the rightwing of the Republican Party to take over. And I certainly don’t want that either. Voting McCain sends a message to both Parties: Most Americans are in the Center.
I saw Bush’s head problems a mile away and did not vote for him either time. And I can rest easy that I had nothing to do with getting that nut case in office.
I feel the same way about Obama. I could never vote for him. I would write in Hillary or perhaps she would make her supporters happy by running as a Progressive Independent. Yeah, that’s it.
Rioting and killing was what his cousin’s supporters did in Kenya,after he lost that election. “It was stolen from him.” Sound familiar?
They tore that country apart until Condi Rice went over there and told the elected President to make Raila Ordinaga the Prime Minister. Is that what we can expect if Obama loses? Prime Minister Obama? Or will he go to Kenya with his dual citizenship and run for president there?
Yes, riot gear AND Obama’s great Uncle “Sergei”
IT’S TIME TO STAND UP & NOT BE BULLIED. CALL THEM OUT ON IT. NO ONE WANTS BLOODSHED. THE STRONG ARMED TACTICS AND CUT THROAT POLITCS HAVE GONE TO FAR. OBAMA WANTS TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. WHO IS TO SAY THE OTHER 80% OF THE VOTERS WON’T RISE UP AGAINST OBAMA
I am with you! The only thing to do with things go bump in the night is to bump back!
You know Texasdarlin, I have been thinking this very thing all day!
LOL
seriously!
I’ve been thinking of the “recreate 68″movement that are actually practicing and preparing for rioting. The remarks of What’s his name? one of the older AA men who are often appearing with suitable gravitas to reprimand or warn the Clinton campaign… anyway months ago he used the threat there would be a reckoning. code word for riots.
Then thhe last couple of days I’ve seen some similar posts or comments and I thought today maybe a couple of million women and men should go out andstorm the streets demanding that our complaints and protests be heard.
I wouldn’t even demand they seat her. I just want them to admit their complicity and own their actions and take responsibility for the mess they’ve made. and understand why we are leaving to become independents.
right. fat chance. Brazzil claims the party doesn’t need the base anymore.
Personally I cannot, will not vote for McCain (but I can write Hillary in.)
I just couldn’t stomach a McCain presidency, ever. It will disgust me to vote for Obama for several reasons but McCain will finish our slide to the bottom. At least Obama. ew. will have people like Hillary looking over his shoulder and keeping him in line I would hope.
Anyway, I am leaving the party and honestly I would love to see a couple of million people show up in Denver and stand silently staring at them like the Ukrainians did when their election was stolen a couple of years ago.
they won.
loved that.
I sorry guys but what? “Looking over his shoulder!?”
You mean like now? Like the DNC is looking over his shoulder? D.Drazille?
Give me a break, the only people that will be looking over HIS shoulder are his National Security Threat, Anti-US, Rezko “homies”.
Btw. I would LOVE for them to even TRY to start some shit. Go ahead, let them riot.
Race relations have ALREADY been set back 30 years, what’s another 30 years gonna hurt?
Nah. Do the Lysistrata. Much more effective.
when they refer to 68, do they mean the police riot in Chicago after which many officers rightly lost their jobs? They are the ones with no experience. We have been through this all before and do they think that rioting will help them? We’ve been there, done that. And who will these rioters be? The “creative class”, the “highly educated” ones? No, they will cynically use poor black people same as they always do.
And if we learned anything from ‘68, it is that TV pictures of those rioting actually TURN VOTERS AWAY FROM the candidate they’re rioting FOR.
The “Silent Majority” will vote en masse for McCain if there are riots.
And the Obamanauts will have only themselves to blame.
Actually I think it’s more of a threat than anything else. It would just be an awful lot of people BLOGGING til their laptops catch on fire!
And a bunch of poor bitter white folk would turn to their guns and religion, say “Oh my God” and hunt them bloggers down. And then the college students would throw their hats in the air in protest. And then we’d pay a large cleaning crew to clean up all the tassels. And that would be about it.
Good Post Larry….I have a question. So, if Obama is able to COERCE himself a nomination by intimidating the SD’s and the electorate with threats of violence….When does it end ? If McCain begins to beat his ass in the Polls and the debates because 2/3 of the traditional democratic base move to vote against him won’t he just use the same tactic ? Won’t Obama and his fascist army threaten more riots and demand the office ? As far as I can see these people that make these threats should be arrested. This is COERCION and it is terrorism….
OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS DISPLAY TYPICAL FASCIST BEHAVIOR…
*** Bust Hayden’s idiotic ass is what I say…***
Isn’t this exactly what his cousin Odinga threatened—and did—when he lost the Kenya elections?
THAT is what Obama and his supporters want?
There needs to be a youtube (because the media says their bias is youtube’s fault) about all the people who have threatened race riots and footage of the linkage with Kenya elections. Maybe I will go make one but Please someone more talented than I should do it. I think that Hillary supporters have less internet time than the college students and professional bloggers who support Obama. As much as love the net, I have a real life too. I am sure everyone on here does. But I know people who basically spend their lives online and support Obama. If the medias only source of news comes from the buzz from the blogs I am seriously worried about this country. They have discounted the voters who have, dispite the media declaring the winner, voted for Hillary. I can tell you, since I moved I can’t even get cable internet here! I live in the country surrounded by horse farms in KY. The rural and older voters with lives can’t be expected to sit around and make youtube videos. The media needs to wake up to the real voice of the people, the votes!
I love NoQuarter, you are blogging for me and the rest of the Hillary supporters!
Talk to Flineo…He’s our resident Film Auteur Genius….
QUESTION:
How did Obama go from approx. 1788 delegates before the Oregon, KY, primary, to some 1975 delegates he is claiming now? That’s 187 delegates. The two states have approx 120 delegates total.
Is he just shouting out a number? Is anyone really counting? I wish there was an article here with each states alloted delegates. He is saying he is 47 delegates away form winning.
This is chaos. God help us.
- Hillary Clinton – February 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xiiwWQSy8Q
The above quote from her own lips appears about 1 min into the clip.
also in the clip:
Greta: What about the pledged delegates? Right now, are they likely, do you have any position on them sort of them moving over in one direction or another?
Hillary: Well you know delegates are free to exercise their judgment. All delegates – whether you’re from a caucus, or you’re from a primary, or your so called appointed delegate.
Well, having been a first time voter in 1968, I know how mean the streets can be. I do think some of the BO folks must be taking the same drugs, smoking the same dope, or eating the same mushrooms as back then. It certainly brought out the worst in everyone. And, of course, the crazed Nixon, not unlike McCain, won.
Kat, the reason Nixon won in ‘72 is because McGovern’s sycophants scared the electorate more than the war did.
Sound familiar?
You got that right, Uppity. In fact, McGovern’s sycophants still scare me, LOL. I think some of them are now the elite liberals who are backing Obama.
Was there an Axelrod in the McGovern campaign?
That guy has done more damage at every level.
People are fed up with Karl Rove and are not about to
bring in another one.
They are – William Ayers and his wife Bernadine (or Bernadette?) Dohrn, members of the well-known radical, violent, Weather Underground of the 1960s, one or both of whom said just after 9/11 that they wish they had done more (militant acts) in the past. By the way, Doug Wilder, the ex-governor of Virginia, in a TV interview threatened violence if Obama is not the candidate. There have been a lot of threats flying around out there in this election. Notably Black Hillary-supporters have openly said they have been ostracized and threatened for not supporting Obama. I heard that Al Sharpton made such a threat. I never saw anything like this in American politics. This primary season is scary. I thought our country was more civilized.
Obama, the uniter. He just loves to use that word “divisive” doesn’t he!
Tom Hayden came right from the sixties — protests and violent confrontations with police during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, along with Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, etc. The group known collectively as the “Chicago Eight” were self-described anarchists.
It seems strange that Tom Hayden would refer to that time, as it has appeared in later years he was trying to redeem his reputation. He even got involved in politics in California.
Obama’s friend Ayres also has an anarchist history. What exactly is the agenda for these people anyway?
Tom Hayden is nothing more than a 60s guy who can’t give up his “moment.”
He’s a joke. Jane divorced him because he was incredibly sexist.
He’s just a real joke. He comes from my neck of the woods…..in Santa Monica….and really has been virtually ignored for years. He managed to get onto Huffington Post with his poorly written editorials.
He’s lusting after his youth. Nothing more.
No. The reason Nixon “won” was because his henchmen help rig the primaries via dirty tricks.
Kind of like what the media and the GOP are doing now.
Party yes. But it’s a combination of the two.
1. The Dems think McGovern is the best thing since sliced bread.
2. The ‘plumbers’ in CREEP figure right away ‘GAWD WHAT A LOSER’.
3. The ‘plumbers’ make sure nobody but McGovern is left on the slate.
Correct. In ‘68, the Republicans actually FEARED Muskie as the tougher candidate, and the Plumbers worked to undermine his campaign.
They WANTED to run against McGovern, because they knew they could beat him.
Now, replace the names above: Clinton for Muskie , and Obama for McGovern, and you’ve got the same scenario.
The candidate the Repubs fear this time is not Obama. It’s Clinton.
So basically we pick a loser because his followers are throwing tantrums in the candy aisle. Ok, I get it. Let em screw themselves and be marginalized for a decade or so. Serves em right.
There’s always the option of creating a third party. I wonder if we could co-opt the old Bull Moose Party or something like that. Or the Constitutionalist party. Or the Party of Sanity and Reason. Something along those lines.
I think they should call it
The Centrist Party
The Jeffersonian party (as a shout out to Bill)
I like that name, or what about the Jefferson/Jackson party?
I think that starting a third party is something we really need to do. When will such an oppertunity happen again. The Democratic Party as I knew it, or thought I knew it, is gone.
After reading John Adams, I feel like naming it the Adams Party. He seemed less interested in Politics, just wanting to do what was right for the country. Since the left has demonized the Clintons, it should really be the Clinton party. Or maybe the Swing party, a play on how the swing votes really decide and election. Since Nintendo gave up the “revolution” name maybe we could be the revolutionist party. Or the moderate party. Maybe we could do a Steven Colbert and call it the American Party! Or simply the people party!
Hillary’s Party.
Speaking of that third party thing, has anyone read that book by Douglas Schoen? Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System
It’s pretty interesting stuff about how the majority of Americans are moving toward the center, and feeling very alienated by extremists on both sides of the spectrum.
I think the DNC is out of their collective minds to try and run a candidate so far out of touch with the moderate voters. He cannot win with his boutiquey voters.
That is me, for sure. I don’t identify with either party.
The American Patriot. It’s a party.
The American Party
Plain and simple.
How about the Common Sense Party?
How bout Po’ Richards Party ?…..In the spirit of Ben Franklin…chuckle
You got that right Uppity!
I’m tired of carrying the water for these wimpy leftist loonies. They never can figure out why they loose. They call Clinton a waffle because he knew how to run government through compromise.
I’m going to laugh when the republicans stack the courts.
Don’t blame me I was for Hillary before I voted for McCain.
Well we’ve seen a Prez who has no concept of compromise — he is like a bull in a china shop. He knew he was going to find a reason to attack Iraq before he was elected — the hijacked domestic jets smashed into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and one hitting the ground in Pennsylvania — were just the excuse GWB and gang were waiting for.
Governing is the art of compromise — it is negotiations to find an agreement someplace in the MIDDLE. Just like Uppity has been reminding us.
GWB is a macho bull who goes by his gut instincts — and so is snObama. Damn those two are so much alike that it is frightening. (Although snObama is not so much the silly macho like gwb but rather the faux macho.)
Scott,
Perfect third party name!
Seattlemoss,
Perfect slogan:
I was for Hillary before I voted for McCain.
I love it.
Let’s see…they don’t want 68, so they are giving us ‘72. Seems bright. Same outcome.
I’ve been saying this for months now but here it is again; forgive the repeat: I live in Denver and have it from law enforcement officers that they are preparing for riots during the DNC. And it’s not the Hillary supporters they’re worried about.
On another blog someone posted this link which contains an image from a Georgia newspaper about law enforcement there gearing up for an Obama nomination. WARNING: THIS POST IS FROM THE BIG ORANGE HEMORRHOID. But it’s relevant to your post, Larry, and the comments are, well..stupid–consider the source.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/20/123456/580/745/518952
yes, its called “recreate 68″
http://www.recreate68.org/
They are in training.
maybe not going to Denver is the best thing. Let them bring it down all upon themselves.
Lord Have Mercy.
I’ve said since the beginning of the big bias swing from the media that they were afraid of being labeled racist.
Russert said on one of the programs that it is easier to criticize a woman then a black man. I think this was right around the time of the SNL skit.
Could be wrong.I haven’t been able to locate it dammit!
Anyway recreate 68 is supposedly not a pro Obama group however given the subtle and not so subtle warnings that have gone on since SC I do wonder about that.
I’ve said since the beginning of the big bias swing from the media
This could be the reason the right wing media are cuddling Barry. They know it brings out the worst in the party; they know what losers Dean and Brazile are; they know the Clintons are successful and good at their jobs. What better way to keep Dems out of power?
Excuse me here for a second, but do we really have to keep playing the Politically Correct game?
Blacks want Obama, Obama is Black, Obama doesn’t get the nod, Blacks riot. Blacks get smacked down. Blacks become more “Righteous” and “never let it lie”. White people walk away in disgust. “White guilt” has been reduced 100 fold. Whites end up not giving a shit about Black issues for next 50 years…
Is that issue?
I guess Race Relations is like the Stock Market — there are ups and downs…
From 1968 to 2008, that’s 40 years, I guess it’s time for a downturn in the market.
Remind me to “short Black Stocks”, and put my money into “Whitey”.
Did I miss something?
One can only hope
I really resent this comment. All blacks do not back Obama. I am a black attorney and I don’t support Obama. He scares me. I live in the Bay Area and it’s all my white liberal friends who are backing him here.
Stop making this a race issue or you are no better than them. From my perspective, the blacks in the South who supported him in the primary did so because they were given false information about the Clinton’s being racist. Most older black people are fairly conservative and if they had known about crazy a$$ Wright probably would not have backed Obama.
This campaign has proven to be divisive enough. I support Senator Clinton and would like for her to get the nomination. If she doesn’t, I will vote for McCain because I believe that whatever his shortcomings, he loves this country, just like I do. Let’s try to keep the tone down so people feel comfortable coming to our side if they change their minds about supporting Obama.
agree Oaktown….Obama has tried to make this a racial loyalty test….Devide and Conquer BS….This is about common sense.
Obama is a FASCIST…Obama’s candidacy defies logic as he is unfit to govern…If what Obama has managed to do within the Democratic Party is magnified nationally we are all of us in BIG TROUBLE….ALL OF US….We have got to have solidarity on that and not give in to the FASCIST TACTICS…
*** Lots of us get carried away in this pimary cause it’s pissin so many of us off….you are right to take to task and I respect that…we are in this together…all of us….***
Oaktown I sincerely apologize for my comment sir.
You are all right this is a much bigger issue than just “Blacks vs Whites”.
And I reacted too angrily and too quickly to see the facts. As soon as I saw the word “riot” I ignorantly assumed we are dealing with Black people only — I realize now that we are REALLY dealing with a whole heap of anti-American radicals.
I know that there are alot of Black supporters here at this site, and across the Nation — Again, I apologize — this Obama Campaign mess is giving me an ulcer.
Please understand that I HOPE TO JESUS that they don’t riot and turn this election into an even bigger mess, because I’m afraid that, what I described in my previous comment, is what’s gonna happen. And that would be very sad indeed.
Blacks aren’t the ones who would riot. It’s the crazy white radicals, you know the ones who rioted at the WTO meetings in Seattle.
Why are they planning to riot? I though Obamababy is the presumptive nominee. Are they worried someone might actually do what is right and select the good candidate?
Tom Hayden knows all about http://www.recreate68.com
Check it out. Look at the links. They even show how to build shields to protect themselves, and how to do recon undected. They list the hotels at which the delegates will be staying. It is 1968 all over again.
Go to the website and see for yourself.
Johnny, here’s a NQ story on that.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/11/recreate68s-bodyhammer-tactics-self-defense-manual/
Thanks Uppity. Maybe that’s where I found out about it. I’ll be there, as my wife is a Hillary delegate. I’ll report from the scene.
Be careful Johnny. These people are nuts. Invariably there will be a couple of old marxist hippies I went to school with. Somebody will make a wrong move. These crackpots think that was a romantic time. It wasn’t. There are always a couple of crackpots who go over the line and then all hell breaks loose. Nobody has told these little twits that are being used that sometimes the National Guard shows up.
This is Marxism, pure and simple. I hope it’s televised so they loose a couple of million more votes, just like ‘68
Someone should force all of these stupid Obamabots with their trust funds to serve in Iraq. Perhaps then they will learn what patriotism really is.
Trust funds my foot. They are NIKEs. No Income Kids With Education. They live home with their parents, who pay for the cell phones, car lease and insurance etc. They are sucking their parents’ retirement funds dry so that they can spend what pissant money they have themselves on appearing “upscale”. I know dozens of them. A worthless bloodsucking lot to be sure. If the Republicans threw a beer blast on election day all around the country, they would all be too drunk to vote. Kind of like the Obama Girl on primary day. lol.
Incidentally, George McGovern registered even more young voters than Obama has. These are kids looking for a good time, and Barky gave them rallies and fun shit like that. When the excitement stops, it’s on to the next rap star.
Make that a wine and cheese party. Makes em feel more important.
Thats WHINE and cheese.
Uppity, you kill me.
Reallyproud, would you really want those spoiled brats serving alongside the troops? They’d just be a burden and a danger to the troops.
Not that the troops should be there, either. Bring ‘em home and impeach the murdering sons of bitches who sent them to die for Big Oil’s profits and the Elephascist Party’s political fortunes. [Elephascists = GOP]
The funny part is the Obama Blob has every intention of swallowing whole Progressives for Obama, recreate68 and all outside organizations.
Amen Sister!!!!
Johnny- hope for and work for the best- but listen to Uppity. You seriously need to take an emergency kit with you and have plans to protect yourself and your wife. Not kidding- some of these folks are psychotic.
Damned right those Obamabots are nasty people.
Those of us who had to deal with the Obamabots in the caucuses got their hatred full force. These followers of Obama have either been trained to hate or have had their hate centers in their brains triggered. (if that is even possible — I don’t know.)
JohnnyB looking forward to that. Stay frosty.
Yuck.
Who’s this dude?
Registrant Name:Glenn Spagnuolo
Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 311
Registrant City:Sedalia
Registrant State/Province:Colorado
Registrant Postal Code:80135
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.7207714669
Registrant Email:rockymtn.spags@att.net
Google him and ya get just a indefensible degrees of seperation to some really fun people. This took ten minutes to find 1 degree of seperation to Obama. What on earth are Dems doing? Not using the “google”?
Glenn Spagnuolo, member of Transform Columbus Day Alliance and director of PITCH–Progressive Italians Transforming the Columbus Day Holiday
“http://www.democracynow.org/2006/10/6/challenging_columbus_day_denver_organizers_discuss”
“http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2007/06/peace-unto-you-he-threatened.html”
Unsurprisingly, Bill Ayers supported Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor who was fired for fraudulent scholarship.
But the spotlight on Churchill revealed numerous complaints of academic misconduct that had been raised by other academics, but never addressed by CU. He was accused of plagiarism, inventing historical incidents and ghostwriting essays which he then cited in his footnotes in support of his own views.
Opps I meant to bold quote the last bit and post the link. From Glenn Spagnuolo to Ward Churchill to Bill Ayers to Obama. igits
I found if you put the link in quotes it does not get trapped.
“http://mystical-politics.blogspot.com/2008/02/bill-ayers-ward-churchill.html”
And it’s HILLARY, we are being constantly told, who is the “sore loser” who “refuses to admit defeat” and will “tear the party apart if she doesn’t get the nominee.”
It’s called Projection.
So I say- let’s get Obama out of the party’s system now. Nominate him. Then, sit on your hands or openly support McCain. Make sure Obama loses by such a big margin in November, he is never taken seriously as a candidate for office outside of Illinois again.
I hate these bastards. No Obama. Never. Ever.
I’ll tell you this, after they are done embarrassing the party in November, Affirmative Action will be a dead issue for decades.
agree, uppity. there will be screams from the obamaloons – he lost because america’s racist! – but noone will be listening any more. they will have made any claim of discrimination (even if legitimate) something noone will hear.
somehow, though, i don’t think it will end affirmative action for decades. i think it will end affirmative action forever.
of course, if mr. racism personified manages to get elected somehow (i.e., massive fraud), then it will be all affirmative action all the time….and that will be only one of untold problems we will face.
i still have hope that oblowme will somehow be exposed, despite the msms’s desperate attempt to avoid it, in time to prevent his nomination. but if that doesn’t happen, he needs to lose HUGE. a narrow loss would send him back to the senate as some sort of party “leader” and we’d have to suffer through decades of the harm that would do.
i understand the voices of those who say they simply can’t vote mccain. but such a vote is the only way to prevent oblowme’s election, and i hope they find a way to do it. i’ve gone past the i’ll stay home or write in hillary stage and accepted that i simply must vote mccain. it’s that important.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Maybe this is a self correcting mechanism. But what a shame it has to be so destructive.
Agree about Affirmative Action, Uppity. And Reparations, too.
The moderate Dems who have been pro-affirmative action and pro-improved race relations will be PERMANENTLY offended and turn their backs on it.
Obama will have done more harm than he ever imagined, to the party, to race relations, to “unity.”
He’s poison.
The anti-black comments on this blog are starting to turn me off, just when I had gotten happy about having a place to get away from the Obamabots.
Instead of being mad at black people as a whole, get mad at the system. This is the same system that gave us GWB, and it wasn’t blacks who voted for him, it was whites. The point is that the system gets manipulated by people who want power, and will used any means to get it, whether it’s getting blacks to vote for Obama through hollering racism or getting people so scared they feel GWB was their only option.
We have only ourselves to blame for the complacency that has allowed our party to be hijacked. This isn’t the first time the Dems have put forth a candidate who could not win the general election. Look at Kerry, Gore, Mondale, etc. Let’s stop making divisions amongst ourselves. Either we are part of the problem or part of the solution. I want to be part of the solution, but don’t make me feel unwelcome because of my race. I know everyone is mad at how things are turning out, and rightfully so. Let’s try to find ways to bring these people back into the tent or we are no better than Donna Brazille.
Well said.
I agree. I’ve said that several times. A strong party couldn’t have been hijacked. Therefore, if this party fails miserably, it probably should.
As for the racism sensitivity, I am sorry, but I’m not seeing what you’re seeing.
I don’t really sense that here.
Some of the comments above regarding end of affirmative action, reparations, etc. seem insensitive to me. Let’s face, it affirmative action has less constitutional protection than abortion right now. The implication that I get is that people are mad about Obama, so will not support so-called black issues such as affirmative action and reparations.
To me, comments like that confuse the issue and make us even more divided. I believe that is part of the intent of the whole campaign–to stoke peoples underlying feelings about race and people’s perception that blacks feel entitled, etc. As a result, whites will become insensitive and drive even more blacks over to Obama.
Most black people have loved the Clintons for years, even calling Bill the “first Black President.” The only way to get that love from the community away from the Clintons was to stoke some racial animosity.
It’s important not to put every one into one big basket. As all of you repeatedly comment–the Democratic party has traditionally been the party of the everyman in America. The only way we can keep it like that is not to focus on what makes us different, but instead what we have in common.
There’s a saying I think is apropos, “As long as the ties that bind us together are stronger than those that would tear us apart, all will be well.” Corny but true.
Actually, I should probably have added that you may be used to censored blogs.
Sorry but if blacks threaten RACE RIOTS, what are we suppose to SAY???? Maybe, if you are not going to riot or you are not part of the 90 percent of AA in democratic party that support Obama that are telling people they are racist to question anything about Obama, you would understand. The DNC has been telling everyone for months and months that SD can not do their job because they can’t upset the AA communtity. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 80% of the nation?? I am a Democrat in KY, A DEMOCRAT who cares about minority rights, who has been told by the media and the obama campaign that I am just a redneck who can’t support a black man! I WOULD HANE VOTED FOR AL SHARPTON over OBAMA. HE was always my fav. in the primaries. I just didn’t know as much about black nationalism that I do now. I didn’t know that blacks would play the race card against the Clintons. I didn’t know that D. Brazille had told the black caucus that they could deliver the nomiantion to Obama. JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. He doesn’t and hasn’t done as much for the AA community as Hillary. If Bill wasn’t president those 8 years, AA would have been set back 8 years. SO don’t make ME feel uncomfortable. I will say anything and everything I want to about Obama and Brazille and Howard Dean ruining the race relations the Clintons help to build!!
And we can bring blacks abck into the fold, Hillary didn’t do or say anything negative.. It was all Obama trying to fool his “own people”. If AA really knew the truth it would be bye bye Obama!
Morgan, I think Oaktown makes a valid point…This is a free speech site but we have got to have solidarity…How hard is it to pause and identify AA obama supporters as differentiated from AA Clinton or AA McCain Supporters…
I mean AA Clinton supporters are already marginalized and harrassed…I’m just sayin’ We can freely express without antagonizing unintentionally….see what I’m sayin ?
The machine Democrats of Illinois who transmitted this blight to the Democratic Party deserve him. They define low information voter, for they are the ones who voted against their economic interests when they cast their ballots for this man in 2004 and 2008. I guess the ward bosses were promised Oprah cash, Daley cash, Auchi cash, Ayers cash, Giannoulias cash, Greek and Italian mafia cash, Pritzker cash, Rezko cash, Stroger cash, Durbin cash and Blagojevich cash, and the residents they control could not refuse the offer.
Illinois and Cook County disgust me. Someone should reform the Chicago Public School System as soon as possible, for these people need to learn how to cast informed votes.
Who else supports Obama, from IL, with strong greek “mafia” connections?
Just explore Alexi Giannoulias, and you will find the answer to that question. Also start with the Broadway Bank and with the fundraisers Giannoulias held for Obama in Greek Town.
I did, but I think I’m looking for another greek figure, perhaps more behind the scenes.
I’ve read a few things here and there, it’s my impression someone out of IL, the Obama “mafia” camp, is throwing a tantrum, for some reason.
But I’ll google, thank you.
You know that bank funded “projects” at O’Hare and a good deal of other “minority contracts”…
Look at the board of directors for the Bank.
Oh shit. Those dudes! I think you can smell the stench of Chicago all the way to the east and west coasts.
I agree with you about Chicago Machine politics. I disagree with you about Illinois voters. Every last thing you have seen in this election process has been used on us and many you have yet to see. This is Chicago politics. Illinois invented voter fraud but it wasn’t the voters. We don’t clog Town Hall meetings or caucuses. The Machine does. We don’t cast votes for dead people. The Machine does. We don’t lose ballots and cause voting machines to malfunction losing thousands of votes. The Machine does. We don’t close doors on voters waiting in a seemingly never moving line. The Machine does. Living here I used to wonder how they get away with this ? Now I know. They are just good at it. Don’t blame Illinois voters when the DNC, Superdelegates and millions of voters are falling for it. Instead of being disgusted by the voters of Chicago and Cook County you should pity us. Welcome to the life we lead every day.
I am serious when I ask this, disgusted.
Do you live in America?
I know you live in Chicago, but really, in name only?
Where can one live in this land, where you can have confidence in this country’s ability to have and matain a democracy?
The screwed up thing is Chicago is just one example.
Teakwood,
Of course I live in America. Last time I checked that’s where Illinois was. I have no problem owning up to the corruption in Chicago politics. I will even help make some of it known in any way I can. I have voted for Hillary and I will NOT vote for Obama. I do however take offense when people blame the voters in Illinois for “transmitting the blight” to the democratic party. How did the voters of Illinois cause this ? Do you honestly believe the voters will recieve any Rezko cash ? The voters of Illinois deal with this crap all day every day. Do you think we chose to do that? This has been forced on us just like it has been forced on others. When going after the criminals let’s try to avoid bringing the victims down further. Just a thought.
I get what your saying completely.
And my point was, I really wish it was not this way. And it is that I am watching the fabric of American Democracy get shredded.
I am with you on this.
You do know what Ben Franklin said do you not?
Emerging from Independence Hall after completing the Constitiutional Convention of 1787 Mrs. Powell of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
“Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
“A republic, if you can keep it.”
Every generation must answer this question. The Greatest, of imWWII fame, did well by anyone’s measure. Us Boomers, not so good we tried we spoke out but most believed the lies that Nixon and Reagan told about themselves and so the light of Freedom guttered lower.
Now at the end of the Bush disaster, the nation weakened and in despair we face a momentous choice.
A guy who lies, mostly because he’s so good at it, about everything including today another whopper about his Uncle Vanya with no real ability or skillset outside of some cheap rhetorical tricks, I saw him speak in Oakland, CA at the beginning and he was not on a par with MLK or JFK. Next time some fool tries to tell you otherwise…
Show them this: http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/this-this-my-friends-is-what-a-real-democrat-looks-and-sounds-like/
The DNC and Obama would have Old Ben’s worry come to life. Barry and Michelle in the WH.
A recipe for Fascism if you were to ask me. We can stop it. Let’s get after those SDs politely, with the facts. HIllary is what we need to win.
Not Senator ‘SnakeOil’.
I hear you. Makes good sense. But why stay there? Why not just leave?
and go where? I have heard people on the radio, who called up saying they were moving out of the state of Florida JUST SO THEY CAN VOTE! (air america last year)
The only place in the US where I had flashbacks to the life back in the good old USSR, was when I lived in Chicago and worked at UIC. I half expected to see Daley’s portairt hanging in every office a la Lenin.
Cool you say that. Hope things are better now for you. You did the intelligent thing and got the F out. Cheers.
When former Illinois Governor George Ryan got caught in U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald’s cross-hairs, Illinois did have a chance to elect a reformer, Paul Vallas, as Governor (Vallas ran in the Democratic primary). Paul Vallas had just completed a run as Chicago Schools Superintendant, and he had made significant progress in cleaning up that mess, but he had no “political base”. In other words, he was not a member of the “Combine”, and did not have significant support from either the Illinois Democratic Party or its elected officials. To win in Illinois, you need the support of the Combine, and other “ward bosses” in Chicago. Vallas was seen as a “do-gooder” non-politician, which made him the target of ridicule amongst the members of the Combine. Additionally, as a non-politician, Vallas was prone to saying exactly what was on his mind, another no-no in running for political office. Vallas was pretty much buried in the primary election, which was won by political novice, Rod Blagojevich, who was backed by the Combine, and by Rezko, and the rest is history.
“Vallas was pretty much buried in the primary election,”
Is that the MO of the Chicago “Combine” so that no one but their candidate is ever on the ballet?
Frankly, that was a case of label the other guy with the criticism that most applies to your guy.
Obama supporters are low-information people. They have demanded so very little. No real record. No platform. No solid performances in debates, for example. Nothing but big turn-outs at rallies with no information from the speaker.
They are embarassed, I’m sure.
As they should be.
The accusation that this is the American Idol group is spot on.
They need to think that over.
Change! Or Else…
I’ve lost a lot of respect for the Obama people like Tom Hayden, Bill Richardson, John Kerry, etc. It’s not that they support Obama, it’s the stupid things they say about Hillary.
I would have supported Richardson or Edwards for the Presidency. “Quoth the Raven, ‘nevermore’.”
Tom Hayden
Looked this guy up. Seems a total weirdo.
They aren’t quality people. That’s obvious.
I knew I never liked Kerry but really didn’t know why.
Now, I know!
These guys are suits.
Someone just left this comment on my blog:
Excellent post, it’s really true. I went thru looking at super delegates following the “will of the people” and was left asking WTH?
John Kerry, endorsed against his district, Ted Kennedy, endorsed against his district. The list goes on and on. In fact, if all the supers had endorsed according to their districts, Hillary would probably be the nominee now.
In my opinion this election is being stolen. I’m not voting down ticket Dems, I’m taking names and keeping notes. If you endorsed Obama, you aren’t getting my vote. Stand by him now and you can stand by him in the fall as someone I won’t be voting for.
This is potent.
It should be put in an article here. In fact, somebody put it up at MyDD.
Good. These people who are not voting the way the majority of their States want, should be defeated. They are not serving the will of the people, they are serving the will of Obama.
Great point about down ticket. Gridlock again?
You can see how much they were given by the campaigns at SourceWatch. Just enter “superdelegates” in SEARCH box and follow the hotlinks.
SDs are independent and do not need to vote their district or state or whatever.
They are independent.
I’ve already sent 2 messages supporting Hillary.
I personally am very optimistic. There must be incredible pressure on the remaining 200 SDs to back Obama before the DNC vote.
Yet, they aren’t moving.
I’m sorry, but this inspires me. If there are even 200 people out there in the world waiting to do the right thing, that’s very, very inspiring.
It knocks back my cynical tendency.
It inspires me.
Can you picture the conversation with Obama on their decision to wait?
I can.
And these are people who inspire.
A few months ago, I remember posts in Democratic Underground threatening riots.
Let ‘em go for it. That’ll clench it for McCain, and we’ll be done with Obama.
Serious OT – Hershey has an organic chocolate bar out now that is outstanding. I snubbed it for the smaller brands, but am finally trying it now – much creamier and fresher.
Once again, apologies for the commercial. Blame it on the Aries rising.
OT–
Hershey bought Dagoba?
Maybe that’s what you’re eating…
I know that choclate bar and if it’s the super dark one, it is fantastic. I agree.. and dark chocolate is sooo good for you!
Like all threats, they are startling initially. But after awhile, it’s a yawn.
So the thugs come out.
At this point?
Big deal.
Here is my idea of the whole mess. First, no Superdelegate should be bullied or threatened into voting for the wrong person, unless the threat is that the Republicans will win the general if they vote for the wrong candidate.
Hillary can win because of the math. The earned delegates total must come to 2024-26 depending on who you talk to (or more if Florida and Michigan are counted, even by half). Since neither of them can get to that total, the earned delegates become moot. Despite the fact that most contests hinge on who gets the most votes, the primaries don’t. They are simply a way for the DNC members to get a good sense as to who the people solidly prefer. That 2024+ number is the MINIMUM number a candidate must get in order to be declared the nominee. When the people disagree so closely, the Super Delegates have to look at other factors. Hillary leads in the popular vote. Forget about the “rules” about MI and FL. The Supers don’t have the luxury of sitting back and letting the earned delegates make the nomination, so they have to now look at reality. MI and FL will count in the general election. They are solidly for Hillary. She has also won the most important states for the Democrats to win in the general. And, she leads both Obama and McCain in the polls for Electoral Votes http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May25.html
Other factors include how the Republicans will attack, and whether they think Obama could weather it. Clinton has already shown she can weather just about anything.
So, she can win. Once the Super Delegates sit down and start to parlay, they will have to look at all of these things. And with the popular vote being so close, they will risk alienating at least 1/2 of the Democratic constituency, no matter what. In addition, polls suggest that 35% of Clinton supporters will defect to either McCain, or simply write in Hillary if Obama is nominated. Conversely, only 15% of Obama supporters will be lost if Hillary is nominated.
Am I missing something here? If I were a Superdelegate right now, there is no way I would commit until all the votes are cast, all the polls are researched, and all the states analyzed for electoral votes.
With the way all the magazines and newspapers and tv news shows are insisting Obama the winner, I’m starting to feel like a total idiot. Am I?
No you’re not an idiot. She can still win. She’s incredibly smart and resourceful and I think she knows exactly what she’s up against.
The media lies, I think we’ve all seen that over the last 7 yrs. Obviously they have an agenda of their own that isn’t about serving the truth.
I think what’s discouraging is that many of us are discovering how corrupt the Dem party has become.I knew there would be sexism, I knew Obama would not play fair, but I never thought she’d have to fight her own party. Her own party is treating her worse then the Republicans are. That just astounds me.
Thanks, I needed that. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgyqWydgLz0
Cool song. Man that Dean is a fucking idiot. Class A moron. Certified and certifiable.
Obama and No Democrats in will get my vote in ‘08
One more thing…it would certainly not be in the best interest of African Americans and other Obama supporters to riot if he is not selected. It will only play into the hands of the real bigots in this country to make it harder for a person of color to be a serious candidate in the future.
It won’t be African Americans who riot. It will spoiled little white boyz. But I’m betting those little pricks will let AA’s get blamed and beaten for it. Then they’ll go back home to their parents’ basement, fire up a doobie and listen to some ska.
No, unfortunately there are some very active AA bloggers for Obama that have already threatened hardcore violence in Denver if Hillary “steals” the nomination. Those twits have been making that charge against her for several months.
I’ve seen OBama supporters of all colors accusing Hillary of stealing New Hampshire… and threatening violence because of it. The cult has been perfectly honed, and they will not accept any defeat as reality about their candidate. They will not tolerate anything but completion of their mission.
The rioters, from what I’ve gleaned online, will be a combo of angry AA youths looking for a fight, aging hippies looking for a return to their marxist glory days, and Red Bull fueled frat assholes looking to feel as though they’re important, and it will descend into large scale looting. I have no doubt the police/fbi, etc. are counting on that. If there is rioting, they will loot. Wonder if Denver is sorry they ever got that Convention in their town. Maybe Guatanamo would have been a better location.
White boys only riot when the beer runs short.
They also riot when their team wins the championship.
So, it makes you wonder if they want Obama to win….or if they really want him to lose so they can riot? Like Catriley pointed out, it would be an interesting mix in the crowd.
Also, it seems like some people just want to say they were there, at some point in significant history, and are even willing to create it if necessary….like through rioting.
When Michelle made comments about Obama getting hurt, one of the national nightly news organizations had interviews with some of his supporters at a rally. They talked about it with a smile on their faces! It was creepy.
They seemed to want their…mourn Obama and ‘where were you when you heard’ moment.
I realize the reporter might have picked out the most glassy eyed supporters to make this impression, but it turned my stomach.
Anyway, it makes me wonder if rioting will break out even if he does win the nom. Simply because some fools want their moment in history story.
“it would certainly not be in the best interest of African Americans and other Obama supporters to riot if he is not selected.”
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s never stopped AAs before. Especially since a lot are convinced that Obama is in their best interest.
But the truth is, with the exception of former governor, Wilder, not too many AAs are threatening to riot. What I’m hoping is that these white Progressives keep pushing this meme to the degree that a lot of AAs are going to step back and ask, why are all of these white people instigating us to riot? If that happens, and I pray it does. then the white kids will be rioting by themselves.
I hear you on that mimi.
I don’t think blacks have any difficulties making it to the top. Charlatans are having a shitload of difficulties but there is no racial barrier like that IMHO. There is however a sex barrier. And if it’s a glass ceiling it’s made out of reinforced bulletproof glass. The white guys – they like the black guys! The ones who go to Harvard too. Dean’s behind Obama! Politically that is. But they just don’t want the bitches in there!
Has anyone actually gotten to successfully register here?
I have been waiting for the initial confirmation email for days. No luck.
I have tried to get LostPasword to send an email. No luck.
Anyone successful yet?
It is not official yet. We’re going to institute it because we have had some death threats posted against Barack. Can’t allow threats to stand. We’ve alerted the Secret Service. Registering gives us better control over the blog.
I understand the need to register. It will certainly help cut down on the anonymous goofballs.
You might wish to post a message that none of it works yet, just so those of us waiting for the confirmation email knows it’s not coming until a certain time.
BTW – Thanks for your sanity during these primaries. It’s been a welcome relief.
registered a couple days ago, no email yet (& checked spam box). will there be some sort of notification when to re-register?
re death threats against obama – hadn’t seen them, guess you’ve filtered them out, which is good. am surprised there weren’t any against hillary, given the tone of some of the obamaloons’ comments.
Sorry to hear that Mr. Johnson.
I had not looked for registration, let us know. I have a very low opinion of the man, and his ilk but that ain’t cool.
Death threats against Barack? Not Hillary but Barack? Oh shit.
I got my authentication in about a day. But I still don’t see where people log in.
Find out, Larry, if these “death threats” are actually coming from Obama supporters so they can slander your website.
You know, like psy-ops, or counter-intel.
I’ve never seen any death threats—not to question your word—from your “people.”
But I wouldn’t put it past Axelrod’s little minions to try and plant such a possibility so that Chris and Keith and Mika and Timmy can report on it on MSNBC.
Creepy little shits.
have been waiting for the initial confirmation email for days. No luck.
Did you look in your Junk Mail folder?
Yes, I did and it’s not there either.
Yes, I registered on 5/25 and received an email with a password almost immediately.
same here…no problem registering…did it like 3 days ago
I received an email with a password instantaneously.
xyz@gmail address.
I got my e-mail like seconds after I registered. I have nto had to use it yet- but did have to change my name in the comment box to the name I picked in the registration process.
Get a new email acct & screen name and start over. Had the same situation and never could get it straightened out, even with LostPassword response.
Glad it isn’t just me.
I did…with no problems at all!!
Clinton OR ELSE! is my mantra. The Democratic PArty is finished and I am glad to see it. No more begging super delegates to do the right thing. They are amoral idiots.
I say to them and my ex party – Buh Bye.
Larry,
It is likely that there will be riots in Denver regardless of whether or not Obama is granted the nomination. The ANSWER and World Can’t Wait Marxist/Anarchist loons have already said they are showing up in Denver no matter what. Throw in the Atzlan crazies and various MEChista groups who will be demanding that the Democratic party somehow grant mass amnesty to 12 to 20 million illegal aliens inspite of the fact the overwhelming majority of Americans, Republican, Independent and Democrat are against it.
Obama is deluded enough to think the New New Left, having helped to deliver him the nomination will be content to stop there and then submit to his authority and direction. After all he is their Messiah ain’t he? My guess is the hard left will riot regardless of who is nominated. It is given if Hillary gets the nomination. However, they will riot even if Obama gets the node because by August it will be painfully obvious Obama does not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.
Maybe Axelrod will arrange for them to round us all up and help us vote for Obama.
It does look like the choices are “riots in August” or “riots in November”.
they’ll probably riot in august, even if obambi’s nominated, to show their demands for our reeducation or whatever. then they’ll riot again in november, when, God willing, obambi’s giving his concession speech. i say screw ‘em. we’ve had riots before and we will again. we get past it. we wouldn’t, however, get past letting these nutcases run the country.
I saw an mybarackobama diary saying that Obama must win at “all costs”. We have a bunch of savages on our hands and the only way to fix them is to vote No to their plastic jesus.
The thing is that the threats against snObama could be coming from his out supporters — to get attention and to create a problem for Hillary supporters. I don’t recall seeing any threats of bodily harm against snObama — but I have seen death threats against Hillary. Sexism — I’ve never seen the hatred toward women this overt — just flat out hatred of women. Especially at the Orange Stain — I remember seeing a whole string of vile comments and that was the last time I ventured into that hell hole.
These idiots are playing all the games.
Peaceful protest is the way to go. They know we are here. They know how we feel. They don’t care.
And like Bill in the recent article – there’s no need to define they – they know who they are.
The only thing that’s going to get their attention if if their boss loses big.
The thing I’ve hated about the Obama movement is the bullying nature of it – if there’s one thing on this earth I hate, it’s a bully.
I left the party and I will vote for McCain in November if Obama is the nominee.
Obama is a deeply flawed candidate.
I am going to do my part to bring about the downfall of the bullies.
It won’t be hard.
And I don’t mean boss in the sense that he’s the brains of the operation. He’s a tool.
Just one more thing and I’ll chill.
We’re going to be much more effective if we take the high road.
Martin Luther King said:
“The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.”
Thank goodness for MLK. A voice of sanity in an insane world.
Riots are stupid. People always get hurt and it causes a lot of innocent people to suffer property damage. I got stuck trying to pass thru Seattle during the WTO protests. It was ugly.
These idiots threatening riots, haven’t they ever heard of
PEACEFUL PROTEST?
I know I will not be voting for a bully – and my protest will be to vote against Obama and any SDs who support him.
Peaceful protest won’t get you a new tv or liquor.
LOL….that is straight out of Cones theory of Looters takin out their Social Justice during a riot….OH THE IRONY…
I SAY WE GET SOME PO CRACKERS TO GO TO CONE’S HOUSE AND GET US SOME SOCAL JUSTICE…I COULD USE A CAR….chuckle…
They are picking the wrong state to riot …
The citizens of Colorado own and use their guns. Defending your property is a time honored tradition in the west. They are going to find out that rioting is not CSI. You’re not dead one week and alive another. I am not an attorney, but it would be interesting to find out whether Colorado holds parents responsible for the property damage done by their dependents …. Anyone know?
I’m with you. I’m simply not going to get involved with any real confrontation. That would be highly foolish to me.
But I am going to make sure that I do not support this hijacking of our party in any way, shape, or form.
That’s also a “take it to the bank,” statement.
Well, since when can’t we have a protest in Denver or at the DNC? If they can promote “he wins or we riot”, so can we. I have taken my vacation to go to Denver, we must fight for this nomination, we are fighting for our country. THis man has no place in the WHite House. If he was any normal candidate we would except and that would be that, but this man has ties with terrorists, he is corrupt, he is inexperienced and this is a very delicate time in our history folks. The United States as we know it today might not be that way if he gets in!! I say we riot to. We study the manual the have put forth for us and riots. I will and I am 57 years old. Let’s face the facts, THERE ARE SOMETHINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR!!!
If it comes to that, I will go. Freedom is never free.
Dear Connie,
for you.
For several months now I have been saying that Obama has been gaming the caucus system. Who knew before this year how that system really worked. I know I didn’t. I have lived and voted in two states, both primary systems. So that is all I know. But this year taught me something new.
My question is how did Obama figure this out. I don’t think he is smart enough to have figured it out himself. Was it Axelrod? Or Soros? Or was it Dean and Brazile and other DNC types? Whatever or who ever it was the fix was in and it is all a huge travesty and does not in any way, shape, or form reflect the will of the people.
The report was excellent. Lots of good work and easy to understand.
bert, I’ve been thinking about that, too. Did you see this article:
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html
It talks about how the caucus system was gamed. I don’t think Obama was smart enough either. He’s just a figurehead – deliberately chosen for their purpose.
Did you see this article, too, it kind of illustrates the effect:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/05/a_review_of_obamas_voting_coal.html
Good article there on how the party used Obama to hijack the primary.
I think Trippi is your answer to that. Axelrove is a devotee’ of the Trippi model he used for Dean (and they’ve recreated it for OBama, even the website is almost identical), and even teaches it in a class. I have a feeling there is some compelling info on gaming those caucuses that only Trippi could provide.
I mean.. has anyone else really delved into Howard Dean’s campaign and his wins at those caucuses? Did we even think about that back then with all the college students crawling around Iowa and other caucus states? I hadn’t thought about it till right now… hmmmmm…
Add the caucuses to the carefully rigged timing of the primary elections by way of selectively disenfranchising two states(FL &MI) that would have given Hillary the momentum early on, and the moving up of the primary in a predominantly AA state (SC) where they carefully exploited race to benefit their candidate. There was never a question as to who the party insiders were going to rig the nomination for, they just forgot to tell Hillary and Bill.
No doubt they took all the tactics from Dean, Axelrod et al they’ve used in the past and threw them at Clinton.
It surprises me that Obama supporters would feel the election was stolen: it turns out that the actual voters are rejecting their candidate, and they don’t like that. Instead of building him up, they tear everything else down, and threaten to tear down more.
The really astonishing aspect has to do with his supporters saying they will remake the Democratic Party in their own image — and many have gone on record to say which Democrats they will eject from the Party. Amazing! What Democratic Party do they belong to? Oh! The Dubya Bush Democratic Party where everything I say is opposite — the Clean Air Act allows people to pollute, I remember. The New Democratic Party isn’t democratic at all.
Well, it is okay with me if his supporters want to stay in the Democratic Party. Our diversity is what makes us strong and great. But if they want to start kicking people out, well, I have a big problem with that. I’d like to hear more about what it means to people to be a Democrat. To me it means to advocate on behalf of people whose shoes I have not walked in, but whose stories I understand. To me it means sharing the path to opportunity and abundance. To me it means so many things, I’ll have to consider how to consolidate. It does not mean I tell you that you are not a Democrat.
Yes, I agree that it’s been quite bold and amazing, in that obviously this “new party” can’t win. LOL*
That’s the part that cracks me up. It can’t win. The entire hijacking plan has crashed because of one small obvious fact. They don’t have the votes.
The demonization of the Clintons failed. They have only succeeded in angering more than half of the registered Democrats.
Way to go, Axelrod.
Don`t you just love his unity train ?
Let them goddamn riot. This is not Kenya, or is it?
Obama’s “cousin” Odinga allowed BLOODSHED to force his way into power…lucky Kenya to pave the way to Islamic rule by BLOOD, with Obama’s blessings.
Let the brats riot. The ADULTS should nominate the only candidate who can win, Hillary.
We need another Clinton to clean up after another Bush, anyway…not some numbskull puppet who doesn’t know his WW II history.
Yeah that Odinga sure is a sore loser. Maybe Obama will mow us all down too.
Where the hell does he get off threatening the SDs?
Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”
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Why wait? Kick her substantial ass out, for BREAKING THE RULES AND SCREWING FLORIDA.
Oh, but is that CODE or what? Obama will for sure run as a Liebermann “independent” if the grown-ups deny him his spotlight.
Obama ‘72!
I was 13 years old in 1972 and somehow scored a bumper sticker for McGovern that I slapped onto the inside door of my closet so my parents wouldn’t see it. I had no idea why I was for McGovern back then. I just knew he was cool and all the cool people liked him and he was in the pages of Rolling Stone a lot and he made my parents mad so that was good enough for me. Pass the bong and the TRex album, please.
I have nothing against George McGovern. Decent guy, much better than the psychopath Nixon. But my point is that my support for him at age 13 was a developmental stage that I was going through, the focus of which was on my being socially acceptable and highly thought of by the cool kidz.
I’ve grown up now. Have the Super Delegates?
The superdelegates were put there to avoid another McGovern. Who knew they would be cowards?
I was in love with George too. My parents despised him. So that all the parents of all my friends. They thought his followers were savages and communists. Which, of course, they were.
“..just as La Rouche site reported was the case of J Edwards, who was told that if he didn’t come out RIGHT NOW for Obama, he’d be permanently exiled from the party.”
That’s as far as I read, TexasDarlin—take your vile cult elsewhere. Go prey on the Obamatrons.
LaRouche has been hijacking dem elections for years now, using frustration to PREY ON those who don’t know the felon Jew-hating Cult murderer.
Go to Hell and take your cult shit with you.
Oh, and Texas Darlin’ — if you are too stupid to know who LaRouche is, and I don’t for a minute believe it— do some damned research.
Either way, you are too dumb to have a blog, or evil for bringing that shit here.
Take your pick.
Comment by TexasDarlin | 2008-05-27 21:59:40
Well maybe we should.
Riot gear, anyone?
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I see. WE should be the ones rioting? NICE TRY, LAROUCHIE.
Hey Zee,
TexasDarlin is one of the good guys.
You were ranting last night, too, as I recall.
Maybe it’s night night time Zee. Sleep it off. This primary season is getting to all of us.
WOW — the discussion was about the koolaid drinkers and one shows up to demonstrate how deranged Obamabots are. They just love to talk stupid and insult without giving a logical argument.
The DNC at the helm of Dean, Pelosi and their crews have destroyed so so much
for what? can some please tell me for what?
ABC News is reporting that a VI Super-delegate switched from Obama to Clinton tonight:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/vi-superdelegat.html
Well that is really welcome news! Thanks Tyrone!
Yay!!!! Everyone should email their thanks and support to him.
Yeah, we’d certainly miss Donna, the woman who managed the successful campaign of Al Gore. You remember him, running as a member of the administration that had brought America to the height of her wealth and power.
I guess she wants to finish the job.
Didn’t Brazile help Dukakis go down too?
Don’t know about that but…
“As Al Gore’s 2000 campaign manager, Brazile arranged to cancel the South Carolina Democratic primary so Democrats would vote for McCain (against Bush in the state GOP primary), and has since been a McCain-Lieberman mole. … She says that for President, she could “support Lieberman. Gephardt or Lieberman.”
(August, 2004)
Yes, thanks Larry for reminding me of Donna’s promise- when is she giving her official resignation notice????? Please God, let it be soon! Let’s hold her to her word!
Tom Hayden? Crazy MoFo Tom Hayden?
Is every nut America ever produced going to come out of the woodwork for Obama?
I was just thinking to myself, who is crazier than Tom Hayden?
And I thought, well… Bill Ayers is.
And then it dawned on me… duh.. of course. ..psycho Ayers is already prancing around.
Now, one question… why wasn’t Ayer’s endorsement enough to end Obama right then and there?
That should have been it. End of story.
Anything after that mentioning Obama and the nomination in the same paragraph should be proof of extreme psychosis on the person promulgating the
“Obama can still have a political career” horse shit.
amazing, isn’t it? not long ago, having hayden and hanoi jane endorse a candidate would cause the msm to go bonkers about what kind of candidate would want such an endorsement, must be something wrong, etc. and don’t even think about someone like ayers and dohrn. but now that obambi’s their guy, it all goes without comment.
OT, but i was watching a game and on came a commercial with a young couple talking about oh, we try to do our best at anything we do, but we have to admit we’re not bowlers, etc., then whatever the ad was for….i do not think it was a coincidence that they used inability to bowl rather than inability to golf or whatever. just more subtle propaganda for obambi. (yes, i know, it makes me sound like i’m ready for a tinfoil hat,,,).
idea -
a website or a page in an existing website
to which any person so inclined
could go,
click on their state and/or their congressional district
and find displayed there
the name and e-mail addresses of their congressman/woman, senator, or gevernor
who was a democratic superdelegate.
then,
quickly and conveniently,
send that superd an e-mail to the supplied addresses.
the internet; it saved the russian revolution of 1989 and 1992. it will facilitate the coming chinese revolution. why not a revolution of american democrats too?
I don’t have to. My Congressman has the good sense to support Hillary.
my rep, senators, etc., are repubs…. but i’m keeping my eyes open for state and local politicos who make the mistake of endorsing obambi. have no qualms whatever about voting against them. a few more repub state legislators or mayors or whatever is better than supporting someone who supports obambi.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Larry,
Thanks for making the point that Hillary would win if superdelegates actually voted their states. I had been thinking that, at this point, that would be the case. Now you have saved me from research. Hoorah!
And for that charming pixie Donna Brazile– please let the door swing hard shut on her rear end.
She’d win if they voted their conscience, their loyalty, their head, heart, or desire to win the White House, too.
Tom Hayden is a has-been. When is that ass going to give up and shut up? He’s been bitching since the 60s. Christ!
Hey I wonder if they will have Peter Paul and Mary play Puff The Magic Dragon at Recreate68. Are those people still walking around?
I’m thinking of these kids. Soon as one of their iPODs or cell phones gets damaged when some cop whacks him, they will leave the demonstration.
they’ll see one kid take a whack and they’ll all be gone. whiny little wimps living off mom and dad don’t have a clue.
Yesssss Uppity, they are!!! Peter Yarrow sent an email to “some folks I know” after the whole Rev. Wright dust-up, talking about how we need to not judge someone on a few statements and such. The email was completely out of line seeing as how the email list was a professional one for something completely NOT doing with politics. He tried to force his “influence” on the group and it was disgusting. He’s a whackjob anymore anyway. I hear, if you ever end up at a meeting with that shroom head, he will break out into Negro spirituals and always, always, always sings what else? “Puff the Magic Dragon”
who is tom hayden again ???
He’s an old hippy communist. Used to be married to Jane Fonda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hayden
More likely their pieced eyebrow ring will go missing.
I hate the thought of riots going on here. Maybe I’ll leave town then.
Obama supporters should be more precise. If Hillary gets the nomination she won’t be stealing it from Obama.
She will be taking back what was stolen from the voters.
I reserached Axelrod’s small state strategy — he knew he could garner delegates in the caucus states using the the ground team approach a-la Howard Dean.
Google “Dean’s Dozen.” Obama was on his list of Senate hopefuls. As soon as Dean dropped out of the 2004 race he sent his ground team to IL help Obama win the US Senate seat. Then – voila- Obama was chosen for the DNC keynote address in 2004 before he was even sworn in.
Let’s face it — the Dean/Brazile wing of the party handpicked Obama in 2004 to wrestle power from the Clintons.
And there was only one way to wrestle power from the Clintons — mobilize the AA vote by running an AA candidate.
But here’s my question:
Flashback to Gary Hart who also had a caucus-fed delegate advantage. Then he’s photographed on the boat with the blond and – poof – caucus delegates run from him.
Most of the 2008 caucus states hold their state conventions mid-to-end of June to lock in their delegates. If something — well, let’s say a video of Michelle doing a number on whitey — happens to turn public opinion against Obama wouldn’t those caucus delegates think twice about standing in Obama’s corner?
or obaby doing a number on ________ (larry, where are you?)
Thanks Susan1968. I’d written a comment up further in the thread before reading yours…and coincidentally was having an enlightenment that perhaps Trippi and Dean were the ones that perfected the gaming of the caucuses with the use of college students and bused in people.
I see Hillary, as the leader of the last three runners left standing in a long marathon. Behind her is a guy with an acid -filled tackling dummy, beating her about the head and shoulders and the judges are hurling themselves at her ankles and knees. A full lap behind is the former cheer-leader turned vampire falling in front of her as she rounds the last turn. Final line: Hillary-Obama-Dean-et-al.
When she gets to the finish line in Denver, whether she is declared the winner of that race or not I will not riot. I will stand with the best human left standing. I will stand with the winner.
If the winner is beaten down and the angry one walks across the line before her, in the next race I will remember the dummy and the blood-suckers. I will lock arms with angels, poets and patriots to protect the white-haired hero, so he can walk, in her stead, with dignity to the center podium denied my gal.
The quiet riot will be remembered, not for its loud chants, but for its impact.
Vote. That is the ultimate riot.
I didn’t used to be racist. I never used to even notice what “race” a person was –it never merited thought as far as I was concerned. When my mother came to my high school dorm room and met my roommate she remarked that she was surprised I hadn’t told her my roommate was black. Truth was, I hadn’t noticed. Actually she was Nigerian – it was a Swiss boarding school.
But now I notice. When my path crosses with an AA I think to myself –does he/she support Obama because he’s black? Does he/she discriminate against me/HRC because I am white? And I resent it – at least for a moment, and then I reject that thought and try to get past it.
But it’s there, and it never used to be.
I look at all the under 30 crowd kids and I think, do they all despise women? Are these under 30 women so stupid to think they are not being made fools of. They are wearing the hijab and they don’t even know it. The joke’s on them; the joke’s on America.
I reject what has happened this primary. I reject my party. I am done with the Democrats. I will vote for John McCain.
You post is sad because I hear a lot of other people saying the same thing. Race was not an issue, but now thanks to the Unity Candidate, people are noticing race much more.
It makes me really angry, because most of the people trying to shame others with accusations of racism, are white. When someone tries to shame people, it breeds resentment. That resentment will be directed towards black people.
Obama started it by race baiting in SC and his followers followed his lead. Nobody seems to care about the consequences or the impact it will have on many black people who will now be viewed with resentment by those who feel like they’ve been unfairly accused of racism.
And who will stand up against the real racism? Most people will be tired of hearing about it by then. Obama is like the little boy who cried wolf.
Suskin …..
Like you read my mind. Concerning thing is…. we are not alone with this. Damaging thing is…. the SuperDelegates really don’t get it.
All over the internet they’re talking about Obama “banking” SDs. WTH does that mean and is there any truth to it? Anybody still awake?
So what is wrong with banking superdelegates???? Hillary can do the same…if she could get them to support her! All it means is that there are super delegates who are not making their choice known now, but who have promised in some way to go for Obama after the final primary – these people will provide ‘insurance’ for Obama in their promise to vote for him….hence the term ‘banking’
maybe they meant BANKROLLING them… to the tune of 800k in donations from Obama’s PAC. Which is so odd… considering a jr. senator who has done very little being able to raise that much money so quickly to dole out to super delegates.. or course there is also the Moveon $$$ that has been directed to Sen. Byrd and others who have endorsed Obama. Tres’ coincidence!
Yes, as always, I wonder where in sulfuric HELL he is actually getting all that money.
Gaza?????
AND…what good does his money do any of the elected officials who are superdelegates anyway if we won’t vote for them next time around? How can money be their sole motivation. Even they have to see that Obama will likely not win, and if he were to somehow be elected, his policies are a nightmare, his would be a failed presidency to say the least, marginalizing the dems for who knows how long either way..no democrat stands to gain from him in any political way.
Wonder this:
“Note also widespread, and undisputed, reports that top officials of the Obama campaign have offered to pay off the financially strapped Clinton campaign’s $15 million campaign debt as well as the $11.43 million that Clinton has loaned her campaign organization, in return for her shutting down her campaign.
“The fact is that Obama, despite the fact that his campaign has raised sizeable funds, does NOT have the capability to make good on an offer of that magnitude.”
The answer to the question of where all the Obama campaign money comes from is simple. Unfortunately, it’s also one of those “if I have to explain it to you, you’re not going to understand” kinda things. Suffice here to say it comes from the people who can create it out of thin air.
Tom Hayden is part of the New Left which is a cover name for unrepentant Marxists of various stripes. Very bad people.
The Democrats should have disavowed this group decades ago instead of embracing them.
Now the Democrats are paying the price.
Please don’t vote for McInane, just write in Hillary’s name.
I’m of a different opinion. I want Obama to lose so I will vote for McCain.
Think of it this way. If Hillary is not the Democratic nominee and there is no provision for a write-in name in your state, your vote will default to the Democratic candidate Barack Obama. Also, electronic voting machines won’t have Hillary’s name if she isn’t the Democratic nominee.
A write-in doesn’t count for shit if Hillary isn’t our nominee. If one million Hillary supporters vote for McCain that puts McCain up one million and Obama down one million which is a TWO MILLION vote spread. See the math really does work in this instance.
Not only that, why are you insisting you can’t vote McCain? I’m an independent and I will vote for who is best for this country. First Hillary, second McCain and third no one. By not voting for McCain there’s a really good chance that Obama will be our President. McCain will be in office for only four years or would you rather change 8 years of an Obama administration with another 8 of whoever he picks as a VP???
REMEMBER GORE LOST BY 537 VOTES!!!!
Hear ye Hear ye.
People need to decide… if they DO NOT WANT Obama in the White house and he is the nominee …. you MUST vote for McCain. He is far better of the two.
Writing in Hillary is noble, yet will not make a difference. Your McCain vote will make a statement and keep us safer over the next four years. Bring home the National Guard.. we might need them.
If you don’t care if Obama gets in and you just don’t want to vote for him, then stay home or write in Hillary.
I will vote for McCain and work on his campaign…me and millions of other Clinton Democrats.
Rise Hillary Rise
We need you!
As someone pointed out a vote for McCain takes a vote away from snObama and adds one vote to the McCain column.
Writing in Hillary — although noble is just like not voting.
Depending on the state, a write-in for Hillary just gets your vote discarded into a non-counted pile.
A vote for McCain sends the right message.
As time goes by, I’m more concerned that Obama and his Chcago slime machine of cheaters will STEAL the election if it’s too close.
Someone posted yesterday that they don’t think the media is going to switch to McCain. I see that as a distinct possibility especially with the GE owned and run NBC/MSNBC. And we do have to be aware of all these new registered voters.
Again this is why Brazile said: STAY HOME.
I’m not taking any chances. It’s no longer just about Hillary and not liking McCain. It’s about not letting the Democratic Party PUSH US AROUND. If that means voting for McCain, so be it!
Remember, Obama’s Chicago people will have dead people voting. And with all these Obama hackers as well as the Diebold Machines, we have to be careful!
Haven’t we learned by now how ruthless these people are? They hack into our sites, they lie, disenfranchise voters, bully, threaten violence, manipulate the polls, you name it they’ve done it.
Have we already forgotten about that incident in Indiana? Do we really want to take the chance that Obama could cheat his way in a close election?
I’m not!
yheitman, i’m really concerned about the possibility of people writing in hillary and having it count as a vote for obambi. i think he may be counting on that as his way to win.
i’m completely in the dark on how this works and suspect that most people are. if we don’t inform them, obambi could win based on votes that were actually against him (again).
any idea where we can get and how we can distribute info on this?
thanks for the info!
WHY WE SHOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN, AND NOT WRITE-IN HILLARY (if Obama is the nominee).
1) Hill and Bill will campaign for the Democratic Ticket. Obama will be blown out.
2) If it can be shown that in tight states, Hillary’s write-in votes would have put Obama over the top, the full wrath of The Party will come to bear on them (and their supporters), regardless of their efforts.
3) A simple “vote for” McCain will be less “traceable”, although the Clintons will still catch some blame.
4)It will be a clearer vote “AGAINST” Obama, as opposed to being a “dead ender’s” vote “FOR” Hillary.
5) It will better position her for 2012 (and for the 2010 mid-terms).
“First, EARTH TO DONNA. When are you going to quit? The Super Delegates will make the decision. Be a woman of your word. Make our day. Please!!”
I know!!! Please, make my day! Great post Larry, but you and I both know that we’ve all told these rubes this information over and over and over again. I’m at a point of not even knowing what else to do!!!
Maybe I am missing something here. Isn’t threatening violence, say, like riots, a criminal offense? Seems to me his representatives are threatening the entire population of Denver, CO at the very least.
Excellent point…
I find it incredibly racist that elite white Obamabots think that African Americans will be their violent rioting army should Obama not get the nom.
“I find it incredibly racist that elite white Obamabots think that African Americans will be their violent rioting army should Obama not get the nom.”
So do I! And I’m doing my part to spread the racism behind this idea around the AA community one person at a time.
Medusa: what are you reading into this newspaper? This Georgia free paper has a very negative photo on the cover…the idea being that if Obama is the nominee, there may be violence against HIM – as there are many racists out there who would like to kill a Black Presidential nominee. THat is NOT the same as the Denver police gearing up for the dem convention!
and exactly WHO is threatening violence and riots at the convention??? I don’t see any post or anywhere in this article that suggests just who will be demonstrating in Denver.
The only thing we have threatened is to either not vote or vote against Obama. And some of us have been threatened for even stating that. The Cult has a large contingency of thugs that will stop at nothing to seize power. The Democratic Party should be embarrassed.
And yes, Donna please pack your bags.
What we are going to get is a ‘72 scenario.
Neither candidate can get to the magic number (whatever it may be between now and the final primaries on June 3rd. Therefore, the SuperDs will get to decide who will be our nominee.
The vote of the SuperD isn’t ‘official’ and doesn’t count until the convention, especially since they can switch their vote at any time.
Yesterday, DNC member Kevin Rodriguez of the Virgin Islands switched back to Clinton. He had previously switched to Obama from Clinton on May 10.
There’s no telling how many Obama supporters might wise up between now and the end of August. And it is perfectly within THE ROOLZ for them to do so.
For our sake, Hillary must go all the way to the convention.
For ALL our sake, Hillary MUST take this to the convention.
That’s why she’s doing this. For the general welfare, for the common good, for all our sakes.
It’s a little ironic that she’s calmer about it than most of us.
Dona Brazil pretends that she is impartial but its very easy to see her bias towards Obama
I thought George Bush liked to instill fear in the American people. Now we have Obama and his thugs threatening violence. Boy, that sure is a good way to get my vote. Never will I vote for that pompous, arrogant, self absorbed, not very intelligent man.
Larry,
Hat Tip to you and all your crew. You folks have been splendid in supporting Senator Clinton.
I’m a Chicago Democrat and I threw in with John McCain last Spring. I think that he is most like my neighbors in most things and that McCain can unite a great but goofy and often self-interested country.
I hope more of you folks wil see your way into backing Senator John McCain – support McCain and fix our Party later.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-welcome-democrats-back.html
How about you folks support Senator Clinton and fix our party now?
No offense intended.
I didn’t understand your question. Care to restate?
As an alternative to your suggestion that more people here back McCain, I offered that McCain supporters switch to backing Hillary. Those that choose to do so would be a great force in cleansing the Democratic Party of fascist pretenders such as Donna Brazile and Lieberman, I believe, because they would good judges of character and of principled vs unprincipled people and be disinclined to put up with such traitorous slime.
Hope I’m making sense. Past 2:00 a.m. here and I’m fading fast.
I’ve been lurking here for some time now. Thankful sites like these have sprung up.
I agree with the if not Hillary then McCain crowd. Brazille stated a depressed base works for Obama, THEY WANT US TO STAY HOME –It is all part of the “new coalition” please do not do that. Not voting IS a vote for Obama- writing in Hillary is also voting for Obama. The ONLY way to send a message is to vote McCain if Obamanation becomes the nominee. Until there is a viable independent party we must not waste our votes. LBJ Love, Percy etc state it well. Venting and expressing anger is great but if we do not follow up with actions then Obama and his scary cult will have their way. I am with Hillary to the end, EVEN if she were to say “let us all unite”- she has no choice, BUT WE DO! We can’t give our blessing to the racist, sexist, disgusting tactics of the Obama and his thugs. The DNC condoning and remaing silent is enough. I know come November I WILL be voting and my vote WILL count!
“If there were the theft of a nomination, if that was the perception of the Obama supporters, then probably there would be a ‘68 scenario.”
Has Tom Hayden re-written his own history? The people who rioted in Chicago in 1968 were thrown in jail, and Nixon ended up winning the election in November. Why? Because the average, middle-American Democrat was so turned off by what had happened at the convention, they either stayed home or voted Republican that year. Does Mr. Hayden really want to repeat that?
I’ve never been a name-caller on this forum or anywhere else, but this time I can’t stop myself. Tom Hayden is an idiot.
there will be no riots.
there will, however, be: President Hillary Rodham Clinton
see it in your mind’s eye.
believe that it is so.
nothing more powerful than that.
FROM RCP :
May 28, 2008
Let the Race Play Out
By Ed Koch
When opponents want to bring down a political candidate – as many Democrats and Republicans would like to do with Hillary Clinton – they examine every word he/she utters, knowing there is always the possibility of finding a quote that will embarrass the candidate and add fuel to the fire.
Many Obama supporters and other political operatives want Hillary to drop out of the Democratic primaries so that Senator Obama can be anointed the Democratic candidate who will face the Republican, John McCain, in November.
During an interview with the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader newspaper in South Dakota, Hillary discussed the calls for her to drop out of the race. She said, “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it.”
There you have it, precisely stated. The clear meaning of her reference is that primary campaigns have often lasted into June, and many unforeseen events – or statements – can happen in any political race before the Party settles on its final choice.
The statement by Robert Kennedy, Jr. regarding Hillary’s comments is probably the most meaningful of all those expressed. The New York Times of May 24 quoted Kennedy as saying, “I’ve heard her make that argument before. It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.” The same day, the New York Post quoted him as follows: “I’ve heard her make this reference before.I understand that the atmosphere is supercharged right now but I think it’s a mistake for people to take offense.”
Hillary’s sole chance of becoming the Democratic candidate for president is in the hands of the super-delegates. If no candidate wins the required majority of delegates in the primary and caucus elections, the super-delegates should cast their votes for the candidate they deem to be the stronger of the two and the person they believe is most likely to win in the general election.
Clearly, a majority of them have either not made up their minds or prefer to wait and decide that issue closer to or at the Democratic convention. Why else have they not publicly announced their preference? If Obama were the clear choice, as his supporters believe he is, why haven’t they convinced enough super-delegates to announce their support of him and end the ongoing series of primaries? Why shouldn’t the last states to vote have a chance to affect the result? The reason is obvious. Many super-delegates are not convinced he can win in November, and they are correct to have that concern based on the outcome in key states a Democrat needs to win.
Hillary’s supporters, including Bill Clinton, have complained that sexism has played a role in the way she has been treated by many in the media. In my opinion, they are correct.
That view is supported by the way the media treated former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee for a truly egregious remark he recently made. During a speech before the National Rifle Association this month, after hearing a loud, unexpected noise offstage, he said, “That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair. He’s getting ready to speak. Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”
The criticism directed at Huckabee for his remark was far less than that hurled against Hillary. Is it paranoid to suggest sexism played a role? Some may say, “He is not running for president.” True, but he is still a candidate for vice president on the McCain ticket. Clearly, special standards are being created for Hillary by her opponents in the hope she will say something they can use to force her out of the race before all the voters have spoken.
Why are Hillary’s opponents so afraid of a fair fight? Let the voters decide this campaign, not the spin doctors in the back room.
Someone up thread mentioned this!!!
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Yesterday, DNC member Kevin Rodriguez of the Virgin Islands switched back to Clinton. He had previously switched to Obama from Clinton on May 10.
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I say, what BETTER place for the WAVE to start but in the Virgin Islands?
THANK YOU KEVIN
GO HILLARY!! RIDE THE WAVE!!!
please God let there be a BIG wave!
Yes, this is confirmed on Hillary’s website today!
Woo Hoo! Let the tidal wave of SD’s switching to Hillary begin.
That’s how it goes with SDs. Pledged delegates have to stay put until the first round of voting happens. THEN, they, too, can switch.
SDs? They can switch back and forth.
I think Obama threatening race is one thing pushing the Super Ds, but I also think the DNC is using Rove’s trick: threaten their seats and other positions if they don’t do what the comintern dictates. If the Party says, vote Hillary and we’ll see that you lose your seat, these goons are going to support Oblahma.
Oh, and the one bright spot if they give BO the nomination? We don’t have to vote for him.
There is NO mention of a superdelegate switch on cnn.com. Wonder why?
Gee, Tom Hayden was around for some pretty big anti-war protests in my youth — but? Is this ‘68? Or 73? Where the F has he been in terms of the corporate takeover of our country? Give me a break. Threats like this? Do we still have elections here? Or not?
Read up on O, a little. Here or at Savage Politics. He’s not anti-war, Green, or anti-corporate. Tom Hayden falling for a logo? A sorry day indeed. If they keep this up? Threats don’t make a beloved President. Swallow the fact feminists have voted for Hillary. Maybe they see she has some plans, after the last 8 years. To get out of this war. She’s his generation, keep that in mind.
Tom is busy reliving his youth.
It honestly see a riot in Denver, I do live within a few hours of Denver, but will be staying home the durning the convention. I do not see how Obama supporters and Clinton supporters can end up in a peacful situation. I do beleive that the “peaceful” protests will grow into something ugly. The 1960’s protests in Chicago, turned ugly, and now it seems the Obama supporters want to recreate or do it agian! I will not be voting for him, or any SD that voted for Obama.
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
If enough people are sufficiently scared to go to the convention in Denver, then Obama wins. But I honestly don’t know what the answer is. If you go, and they riot, you may get hurt, if you don’t, Obama and his supporters get away with it.
Larry, I don’t know whether to laugh or get mad but can I ping you? OMG. For those who want a brief romp through Hayden’s world o’ the 60s I found a great read….
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTNkNTU5MjE2MjUwNmQ2MWQ3YWRlYjhmNzQ4OTQyOGU=&w=MA==
where has their activism been of late? Sell outs.
Costcoliberals? Homedespotliberals? Lining up behind a brand. Read Lin here for O & labor & lobbyists:
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=165
Ladies and gents…First time posting on site. May I suggest please take your sons, husbands, boyfriends with you. I believe the Hispanic and Asian Americans have gone 60-75% Clinton. Please take male friends with you at all DNC functions. Obama thugs are not to be trusted.
And the Winner Is: Hillary Clinton
http://politicalpyro.blogsome.com/2008/05/28/and-the-winner-is-hillary-clinton/
Regardless of the barrage of media attention Barack Obama has received calling him “the inevitable nominee” for the Democratic Party… here are ten reasons why I believe Hillary Clinton will actually come out on top, despite what you hear.
1. The call for Hillary Clinton to drop out: If Obama were the inevitable nominee, there would be no calls for Hillary to drop out. Remember Huckabee? The Republicans and the media allowed his continued “fight” for the nomination for one reason: He had no chance of winning. Only when the opposition fears you, do they pressure you to exit. Bill Clinton nailed it recently in South Dakota when he suggested Hillary had been treated worse than any other candidate in presidential history. Why Bill? They know she can win…..
The race riot narrative was written 4 years ago by Karl Rove and the neocons when they set this divide-and-conquer strategy in motion (They almost literally handed Obama his U.S. senate seat.) I used to work for Tom Hayden in the 1980s and am not surprised at all that he’s resurfacing now to get some on-air face time. Like so many of our tired progressive icons, he hasn’t bothered to do his homework on Obama – just like Obama himself has no interest in issues, world history, etc. You know, it’s all about them.
For more on Obama’s vetted background and Karl Rove’s manipulation of the primaries, Tom and his friends should check out the following article and several others at thecityedition.com which compiles all the documentation that’s currently available.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
Yeah, I was wondering about this, too, while watching Jimmy Carter mindlessly pimp for the crook.
I really wonder what Jimmy Carter knows about Obama, if he feels he can support him.
Looked at IL, it’s a mess, someone said almost bankrupt due to the criminality of the combine.
And what, we should promote one of it’s main players to the presidency?
WTF is the matter with those people, did they lose all common sense?
The whole country can see, but not Washington elite?
Also fairly new to site. Anyone have viewpoints on the news that Obama’s campaign tells the supporters NOT to come to Washington this weekend? http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Plouffe_Creating_chaos_not_helpful.html
Sounds a bit hollow, no?
Hayden’s threat isn’t surprising considering he was a big part of that “68 scenario.”
Hillary’s Party or Democrats Impervious to Kool-Aid Party.
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I heard BO hired a bunch of Blackwater goons to serve as his security guards ’cause he doesn’t trust the white guys in the Secret Service. He said Hillary’s got it in for him and plans to have him assassinated if she doesn’t get her way.
And then he made a veiled threat: “But turn-about is fair play.”
No, we’ve got to convince all the Super Delegates to vote for BO so he doesn’t do Hillary in, and so that mcCain becomes our next glorious leader.
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Thank you for this article, though I fear too little too late. Why? Why would the media and the Democratic Party want to do this to our best chance at regaining what we have lost over the past [8] years? It sickens me and I feel helpless to do anything (we can’t very well threaten race riots) although I have not yet lost hope.
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