The Neo-Liberal War on Blue-Collar Whites and the Breakup of the Democratic Party
By Bud White on May 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Credentials Committee, Cultist Thugs, DNC, Daily Kos, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Electability, Florida, George McGovern, Hillary Clinton, Kentucky, Michigan, Popular Vote, Presidential Candidates, Race, Race Card, Typical white person, White People
Dorothea LANGE, “Migrant Mother,” 1936
A friend paraphrases a famous story to illustrate why she may vote Republican for the first time in 40 years: in the late 1960s, when the feminist movement was still thought of as a novelty, a boorish male reporter asked the heterosexual Gloria Steinem if she was a lesbian. Steinem responded, “I am if you’re the alternative.”
There is a growing consensus at No Quarter and elsewhere that Obama’s tactics have made him an unacceptable alternative to Hillary, and many of us will be voting for McCain, writing in Hillary, or staying home.
As Hillary continues to increase her popular vote lead and absolutely crush Obama in critical states, many are looking at a potential Obama nomination as a coup d’état similar to Florida in 2000, facilitated by the neo-liberal-Dean wing of the Party, African American power brokers, and the Clinton-hating media. Regarding Florida and Michigan, Anglachel writes:
Lack of legitimacy means relying on force to win. If you have to bully people to make them be quiet, you have lost legitimacy. If you have to remove votes from the contest in order to win, you have lost legitimacy. The objection Hillary supporters have to “teh Rulz” to exclude Michigan and Florida is how nakedly they are used to force the numbers themselves into submission.
A commentator agrees with Anglachel and points out that:
The FL/MI debacle not only robbed Clinton of delegates, but it robbed her of momentum that would have affected later contests. It robbed her of frontrunner status. In fact, with those 2 states and Super Tuesday, she probably would have been close to winning.
An Obama nomination — after the selective but intentional disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida, the relentless race-baiting by Obama and his surrogates, and the venom from his supporters — is repugnant to many of us who, to use Arthur Schlesinger’s phrase, are unrepentant and unreconstructed liberals and New Dealers.
What we are witnessing is nothing short of the breakup of the historic Democratic coalition. Chris Bowers, Obama supporter and writer at Open Left, dreams of a cultural change in an Obama Democratic Party which is almost a parody of the brie and Chardonnay stereotype:
There should be a major cultural shift in the party, where the southern Dems and Liebercrat elite will be largely replaced by rising creative class types. Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades.
Further illustrating their break with traditional liberalism, Markos Moulitsas has declared himself a libertarian Democrat, in other words: a politically correct Republican. These neo-liberals are really proposing a Party run by those who have little need for government and instead focus on identity politics, environmentalism, post-partisan government, and the rejection of American exceptionalism. The neo-liberals demonize the traditional Democratic base of poor white voters precisely because these voters rely on government and expect their leadership to fight partisan battles on their behalf. They are also deeply patriotic and weary of the moral relativism put forward by the likes of Jeremiah Wright.
Because of Obama’s anemic performances in West Virginia and Kentucky, the campaign and its supporters imagine a new Party. Sean Wilentz writes
the Barack Obama campaign and its sympathizers have begun to articulate much more clearly what they mean by their vague slogan of “change” - nothing less than usurping the historic Democratic Party, dating back to the age of Andrew Jackson, by rejecting its historic electoral core: white workers and rural dwellers in the Middle Atlantic and border states.
It remains to be seen whether the breakup of the Democratic Party more resembles (A) the McGovern disaster of 1972 and 20 years in the wilderness, or (B) a dismantling of the current coalition more akin to the Republicans replacing the Whigs in 1856.
In whatever form our Party takes, the perpetrators of this breakup are the Obama campaign and the neo-liberals. It’s their demonization of low-income white Americans which is largely the cause of our coalition’s breakup. Wilentz continues:
Without a majority of those voters, the Democrats have, since the party’s inception in the 1820s, been incapable of winning the presidency. The Obama advocates declare, though, that we have entered an entirely new political era. It is not only possible but also desirable, they say, for Democrats to win by turning away from those whom “progressive” pundits and bloggers disdain variously as “Nascar man,” “uneducated,” “low information” whites, “rubes, fools, and hate-mongers” who live in the nation’s “shitholes.”
Hillary’s ability to keep this race so close, with virtually no African American support, shows Obama’s incredible weakness as a candidate. This is not because of race, as the neo-liberal race-baiters would have you believe, but because Obama does not articulate an economic message which appeals to low-income whites. According to Wilentz:
Every poll shows that economics, health care, and national security are the leading issues for white working class voters - and for Latino working class voters as well. These constituencies have cast positive ballots for Hillary Clinton not because she is white, but because they regard her as better on these issues. Obama’s campaign and its passionate supporters refuse to acknowledge that these voters consider him weaker — and that Clinton’s positions, different from his, as well as her experience actually attract support. Instead they impute racism to working class Democrats who, the polls also show, happen to be liberal on every leading issue. The effort to taint anyone who does not support Obama as motivated by racism has now become a major factor in alienating core Democrats from Obama’s campaign.
The class warfare now raging in the Democratic Party, while both sides ostensibly are on the Left, is actually the classic struggle between the proletariat workers (blue-collar whites and Latinos) and the petite bourgeoisie (neo-liberals). African Americans have mostly gone to Obama because of the historic nature of his candidacy; many, however, were pushed to Obama by the race-baiting wedge utilized by Obama and the neo-liberals, a tactic identical in form and result as that used by Lee Atwater and other Republican operatives. Obama’s hostility towards the white working class, as seen with his bitter-gate remarks, is the exact framework from which many of the neo-liberals view this struggle:
Obama’s dismissal of white working people represents a sea-change in the Democrats’ basic identity as the workingman’s party - one that has been coming since the late 1960s, when large portions of the Left began regarding white workers as hopeless and hateful reactionaries.
Arthur Schlesinger, eminent historian and New Frontiersman, foresaw the dangers of identity politics as a substitute for progressive policy. He believed in an activist government which should be used “to improve opportunities and to enlarge freedoms for ordinary people.” The Obama campaign’s desire to win the nomination, regardless of its illegitimacy, and their hostility towards poor white Americans is a movement which is tearing the Democratic Party apart. Many of us believe that the best way to fight for working Americans — regardless of color — is to make sure this movement is defeated.
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I agree with you Bud. The goal now is to make sure he is defeated if he is the nominee. Our principals are more important than a Democratic win. We can not condone this kind of behavior by the party or by the Obama campaign.
What happens to the AA voters when he/she realize that they were used only for the purposes of defeating the Clintons? Without any of the platforms that benefit any class save the privileged class, who in God’s name does he plan to make this work long term? Bread and circuses?
how in God’s name does he plan to make this work ….
Serves them right for being fools. Just like it will serve young swooning women right if they love Roe v. Wade.
Black folks run like Hell!!! Where is the proof that Obama was such a great community organizer. Will some black person please testify on what Barrack done for you! All I know that in his district he had rat infested-asbestos filled-heat lacking projects. Black folks are crazy to think that this man represents them. Hell the good Rev. Wright did more for Chicago blacks than Obama. Trust me when the truth comes out we black folk will wish for a Clinton to save the day.
Hillary/Warner 08
or
McCain/CTodd Whitman 08
I ask black people all the time to tell me anything about him but all they worry about is a black man becoming a President. I ask them about Alice Palmer who Obama stole an election from and noone has heard of her. I ask black folks to tell me what he has done for black people besides run for president and again no answer. I am black and was abused for my vote and guess what I am going to vote for Hillary or McCain and I don’t care what the Kool Aide drinkers think or what names they call me.
Sadly many of the Americans that are supporting him, mainly the black voters are going to be very disappointed in Obama and everything he does not stand for. This could potentially set black americans back in this country 20 years.
There needs to be a floor fight in Denver. I was watching PBS last night and happened across the Presidents and the last installment of Truman.
This looks and smells like the Wallace wing walking out on Harry Truman on one side and the Dixiecrats walking out on Harry Truman on the other side of the 1940s Democratic coalition. This time the racebaiters, however, are coming from the side of the party that should KNOW better. They know who they are and they should take a real long look in the mirror to see what they’ve become. Elitists in the party got their chance in 1972 and that proved a winning combination didn’t it?
Harry Truman pulled a victory because the average american saw him as a fighter and saw him as one of them. They voted for him because they liked him. Average Americans choose presidents. Elitists loose. It’s a history lesson that the DNC should’ve learned along time ago.
I cannot concive a Obama Presidency. Buyers remorse will set in soon…..
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It’s time to form an alternative third party led by Hillary Clinton.
I agree
First let me say Bud that this is a great diary. It makes me sad to think that the party I have identified with and loved all my life could so easily fall prey to this charlaton, who is not only the latte liberals best friend but also the billionaires boy.
Bill Clinton said over the weekend that if Obama is the nominee the Democrats will lose in November. He says polls show she beats McCain however, the media will not show these numbers–they are in Obama’s pocket and refuse to see whats out there. I am hoping that Clinton’s anger will translate to an Independent run for Hillary.
VERY NICE!!!
The day Obama becomes the Democratic nominee is the day I resign forever from the Democratic Party. It will be time for a new alternative party for many formerly lifelong Democrats and Hillary Clinton should be its first candidate.
Do NOT resign. This is the MAJORITY’s party and these fringe nutcases are NOT he majority. We take the party back this year. Again. Just like in 72. We either take it back now or we take it back in November.
The problem is Dean is a fringe nutcase himself. Sorry, but it’s true.
Ehemmmm…….HOWL…..nuff said
Bud, thank you for such a brilliant and articulate post - something greatly needed.
He’s a DUMB fringe nut case and always has been from what I can see.
To be simply practical, it seems that a floor fight in Denver has some, not only truth value, but real political value. But my question is: if it doesn’t work will there be time to form a third party around Hillary and fund it prior to November???
I certainly hope that the Clintons are considering this as a real possibility and beginning to put it together as an alternative. They have always seemed to me that they were the most practical, capable folks in the Dem party for decades. It cheers me greatly to think that Bill has actually admitted that O will lose if he is the nominee. That says that Bill is most probably working away on an alternative. If we’re insulted, he must be more enraged than ever in his lifetime. And I mean enraged in a positive way….
I believe that she has a $250 million war chest that money is hers not the party so actually she has more money then both men so yes there is time. Remember the war chest belongs to the candiate not the party. She is actually in a good position to win as a third party candiate.
I agree, we take back the party. Let them start their own party. I hear the name “Whigs” is available.
I agree and I also agree that we Clinton supportors must be louder then the Obama supportors in mass protests and boycotts of the MSM and of course contacting their advertistors. I voulnteer to lead these charges. I however prefer a third party candiate and Hillary may be interested. I would also like to provide a little history about Hillary.
I have seen the Pundits rule her out more then I care to remember. Remember they said she was going to be indicted even though there wasnt even proof she committed a crime. She did not get indicted. I have heard them say that she would never be the Jr. Senator from a state she did not reside in and we all know that she is the Jr.Senator of New York and I know she will survive this. I just want everyone to remember this if you get down–it helps me.
Helen
Bud: Well put. I am not sure that the Democratic Party can be saved since Obama and his party elite supporters have succeeded in tearing it apart. The word “democracy” was something that the Democratic Party once stood for. No more. It is not a party most will want to belong to if Obama is the nominee. Bill and Hillary Clinton are true Americans and true democrats. They have fought all their lives for the principles of the Democratic Party. If our superdelegates and news media desire it, the Democratic Party can be dismantled and it can then have the blacks, the students, the well-to-do latte drinkers. If it isn’t Clinton then its McCain. Obama is dangerous and an anti-American terrorist lover. Nothing he could say or do will ever get my vote nor 242 members of my family. We are disgusted by the Democratic Party and the news media and how they have manuevered and disrespected Hillary and Bill Clinton. It will never be forgotten. It will never be forgiven.
JP — Bill and Hillary Clinton have fought for the principles of Democracy all their lives. So that even though the Democratic Party no longer represents those principles — the principles themselves are still worth fighting for. I pray they keep fighting for them.
Already the Obamabots are starting to realize they cannot win without Hillary’s coalition - and yet, using their false logic, they are demanding that Hillary FORCE her supporters to vote for Obama for party unity’s sake. These idiots can’t seem to understand that we support Hillary because of her policies and experience, not because we think she is the messiah! She doesn’t control us and why should she have to work so hard to unite a democratic party of which THEY broke! Do they really think you can treat people like crap and call them every dirty name in the book only to have them come crawling back to you? Are these the idiots we are raising on a generation of reality shows and violent video games? The future looks pretty bleak if this is who we have to look forward to. Thank god most people live to be 80 now so we can halt their idiocy and naivety for some more time while they wise up and open a book every now and then.
Libertarian: A Republican who owns a bong.
LMAO!
OH.MY.GOD. Funny, very very funny. thankyou.
ROFL! That was hilarious.
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That is the funniest comment I’ve read in a long time. Good job! ;.)
Seriously, I am so tired of people saying only the “uneducated” support Hillary Clinton. I’ll admit, I was take with Obama at first. I had always said I would support either candidate but felt she was a little polarizing. HUH! I cannot recall a time in my life when I’ve seen a candidate so divisive as Obama. Frankly, I don’t want Zbig and his boys back in the White House at all. All these young people who are voting for Obama will certainly have to learn the meaning of “draft” if Obama gets into office. Sure, he’ll get the troops out of Iraq, only to send troops to Eastern Europe.
ROFL
Sounds like many of us resemble that remark!
As I posted on Clintondems, the R-word (racist) is the new N-word. It is a calculated method to demonize an entire group of people, to keep them defensive, intimidated, and, most of all, disenfranchised.
Well put. I agree.
He must be defeated, and Hillary must make the world see this new neo-liberal branch of the party in full color at the convention, and beyond if necessary. I have no doubt she will, she knows what is at stake here and it is not just her nomination.
We’ll see about that.
you were commenting on my post on clintondems and your right. What really annoys me is when I, an African American, gets called racist by white teenyboppers and I know they are white. I tell them to stand up to real Racists who were trying to kill a group of kids because of bussing this is what I did. So KoolAid drinkers unless you KNOW anything about Racism I suggest you shut up.
Wow, Pittsburgh, you are a hero and thank you for saving those poor kids on the bus.
Try as much as you can to ignore the Obamabots - they are militant and cruel, as well as naive. It’s hard, I know, but thank goodness for the support group of No Quarter!
thanks Bud, a repost I made downthread as it fits in with your piece so well..
I have always loved Big Dawg. I thought I would never have another POTUS in my lifetime who connected with and truly cared about the PEOPLE. And then came Hillary. Perhaps in the beginning the Dem leadership (aka cabal of dunces) thought they could wrap things up quickly before any of the PEOPLE caught on to the fact that the race was being rigged for Obama and had been setup for him to win as early as 06 (04??). The weighting of certain minorities over others. Rural areas worth less than urban cities. Gee the convention being timed with the anniversary of the I Have a Dream speech.
But something funny happened on the way to the convention. The voters saw the real Hilary. When all the glamour and polish is rubbed away and the DNC released the hounds to tear her down and take her out of the race (Pelosi, Leahy, Dodd, Kerry, Kennedy et al), Hillary fought them off and stood back up. The media tore her apart and she did it again, faced that mad dog Russert, who I would say actually foamed at the mouth in that ‘debate’ in which the audience actually rolled with laughter at the alleged ‘tape error’ in clips they played, what is this This is Your Life or a frakkin discussion for the PEOPLE to make a decision on who best represents our needs and our nation? rhetorical question, we all know. Whatever they try, we dig our heels in further for HILLARY. She is the one for us, the workers, the families, the educated class who can still relate to the middle, we all choose Hillary.
We are past the point of no return DEM LEADERS. Perhaps you got the bright idea from seeing the GOP steal at last one election, or perhaps Rove gave it directly to Queen Donna Brazile since she tells us male GOP are better friends to her than any Dem was.
I dont know and I dont care anymore.
Here is the point. IT IS TOO LATE TO STEAL THIS NOMINATION CABAL, THE PEOPLE SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. THE PEOPLE WANT HILLARY. WE THE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE aka voters, REMEMBER US?
GOP, a word please. We in this capitalist society, we worker ants, are relatively content. I know I am. All I want is to support my family, give my kids a better life, an education, have health care and decent housing and food costs, oh and a yearly raise that beats the cost of living is a great thing too. BUT THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKE RIGHT NOW TO THE BLATANT THEFT THAT THE DEMS ARE TRYING TO PULL OFF. If the GOP fails to tell the voters the TRUTH about Obama, and this dangerous person gets into office, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
DEM LEADERSHIP- EVERY single person I talk to in my daily life talks about the election, and every single one talks about how the FIX IS IN and the party is trying to steal this nomination. GOP, Indies, Dems-all of them agree. All of them ALSO agree Obama is dangerous, either through his naivite or his hidden agendas depending on who you are talking to.
GOP AND DEM LEADERS-The biggest thing you should pay attention to IMO, is that working class Americans are afraid of Obama and his motivations and his plans. Call it what you will, I no longer care, for me it is frakkin common sense, the guy changes tone, message, affectation like the chameleon man in that Woody Allen film. Working class voters have a gut feeling telling them this man is dangerous and does not represent them or care about them or even have one iota of respect for them or their lives or their needs. We know when someone doesnt get us. And what is worse we know when someone DOESNT CARE TO TRY TO ‘GET’ US.
Now I know Americans may seem to have slept through the past two elections, but frankly, many of us thought things would at least be secure under GOP, and were busy trying to survive the past 8 years as the economy spiraled downhill. But as the Fed bails out Bear Stearns and the Fed kept cutting rates lower than they had any business doing, while Greenspan and Bernancke whistled in the dark, and Wall St found a new toy, Housing to play with, we have now had inflation hit levels where we are choosing whether we should buy a gallon of milk for $4.00 or try to get enough gas in the tank to get to work. Our housing values have plummeted and millions of us are upside downs on our loan to value ratio now. Into this step three candidates, Hillary, Obama and McCain.
Hillary has risen above every challenge, the bar raised so many times for her candidacy that is it a skit on SNL. She has, as a wonderful woman told her in her town hall in TX, been polished like gold on the top of the mountain. Whether you believe her message is real or not doesnt matter, WE THE WORKING CLASS BELIEVE IN HILLARY, WE TRUST HER, WE NEED HER, at this point WE LOVE HER. Hilary has connected with us and we are in serious trouble right now and we are CLINGING TO HILLARY, OUR GUNS AND OUR BIBLES.
Lets look at the other 2 candidates, we have Obama, with little to no experience, a record for his state that is pathetic, more shootings there than US fatalities in Iraq, last month IIRC (can Code Pink do a Chicago intervention?)last week or so had highest gas in the nation, and an education system in trouble, with rampant poverty, horrific low cost housing he helped Rezko build and crime out of control, his connections are scary to Americans and we dont know the half of it, his church is racist, period, his inability to distance himself from shady characters shows us he cares more about getting ahead than about doing the right thing, period. He has no discernible ideology other than what is good for Barry that day is good. This guy has made more deals with more people to get into power, the number of potential VPs alone he has hanging on a string is indicative of the way he rolls. IMHO he is a trojan horse filled with various elements who DO NOT LOVE AMERICA AND DO NOT WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA EITHER BY INTENT OR THROUGH THEIR OWN SELFISHNESS.
Then we have McCain, a middle of the road GOP who has brought nothing home to AZ and is proud of it, and who is a genuine war hero. I believe him to be moderate and at first I thought Obama will go down in flames in a GE and the MSM will crown McCain, it is wrong, I hate it but we ca survive 4 yrs of this and then have Hilary to fix things in 2012.
Now the working class has seen something more unsettling in the air. It is starting to seem as though the MSM wont flip and be in the tank for McCain in a GE, and the numbers of depressed GOP and DEM voters who do not vote in the GE may allow Obama to win a GE. THIS WOULD BE TRAGIC FOR AMERICA AND I WILL BLAME NOT JUST THE STUPID DEMS BUT THE GOP WHO LET IT HAPPEN.
Rupert Murdochs daughter is for Obama, Soros is pouring money like water into the country for Obama, SDs are being bought, Obama has a creepy door to door voter registration drive over the summer, perhaps the first step in having Chicago style, vote dead, vote homeless, vote twice, made national.
GOP-What will happen to the worker ants if Obama gets into power? What will Hamas, Iran, Medyvev do? How will Israel feel? An arms race in the Middle East is what will happen. What will Brezinski, Lake, Powers, get us into? What about Obama’s planned hike in cap gains and SS payroll taxes? What will American workers do faced with inability to buy food and fuel and an imbroglio of foreign actions at once..
GOP: worker ants still account for 70% of US GDP, If you are listening if you are watching if you are holding info, please rethink this. American workers are afriad, we arent productive when we are scared for our families. Obama scares us. Call Jeff Immelt at GE ask him what his plans are, I dont think he will tank it for McCain as you expect. Hillary may not be your favorite person, but you KNOW SHE WILL KEEP AMERICA SAFE. You know she will be MODERATE. Hillary will raise the cap gains to Big Dawg POTUS levels. Hillary is AGAINST SS PAYROLL TAX HIKES.
She will work WITH BUSINESS to get health care done WISELY. Big business tells us that outsourcing occurs in large part due to health care costs,workers raises are disproportionately going to pay higher health insurance premiums. This time around big business is all for universal health care and small business will get tax credits from Hillary. American workers will HAPPILY TAKE THEIR HEALTH CARE PLAN, the same health care plan millions of postal workers get now, and we will WORK FOR ANOTHER 4 GENERATIONS WITHOUT A WORD OF DISSENT.
JUST GIVE US HILLARY AND WE’LL KEEP TRUCKIN ALONG. But be advised if you let Obama steal the nomination, you will share the blame as well as the financial fallout that will surely follow. I have never seen people as upset as they are right now. Whatever secret special plan the DNC Cabal of dunces had it is blown. Please let the people have their chosen candidate, not the Manchurian cabal’s elitist wet dream come true. I would be willing to wager that American working class Democrats would be willing to give you certain seats in Congress if you gave us Hillary. We have lists of the SDs who have sold out or who were willing to bend over for the cabal and we will make sure they hear us in the voting booth in November.
Sorry this was long, but I sometimes think with all the machinations and plots and counterplots that perhaps you in the GOP and DEM leadership forget that the sheeple produce 70% of our GDP. THE PEOPLE need to feel safe and secure and cared for to continue to work. I am not ashamed to be in the working class, we love our country and we work damn hard all our olives, we deserve leadership that cares about us, understands us, respects us and protects us. Hillary and McCain are the only candidates running who meet those criteria.
GOP and DEM leadership, I know you operate in something of a bubble, and you may be unaware of how things are being perceived on the ground so to speak, but let me illustrate. I live in a very well to do suburb in AZ, a friend of mine, who is very well off, buys his European cigarettes on the reservation. He always sees plenty of handguns and rifles on the walls for sale. Last weekend he went in and the guns WERE ALL GONE, the walls were full of musical instruments. He asked the Native American what the deal was with the change. The man told him the guns are selling out daily, people are afraid because of the election and then he looked sad and said, and the music, it has stopped.
Pay attention and please make the right decision for America and the American people.
Right ON!! And I don’t care that it was long. Usually I do but this was worth it! I totally agree!
ginaswo,
Very moving post. You should forward to superdelegates, GOP activists, the media and any other relevant parties. Someone needs to stand up for what is right and your portrait describes very well the real fear Americnas have of this man and a presidency with him.
ginaswo — Your comment is brilliant. Obama talked about young people rejecting wealth in favor of service. But service to whom? I believe Obama does not want a strong middle class and this is the reason he receives so much money from his fat cat supporters. He also believes we have too many elections and it confuses people. However, he has done one stupid thing which most Dictators don’t do until after they get into power and that is diss half the country.
I think the media, the DNC and Obama supporters are nervous because this was supposed to be done quickly and quietly without upsetting the American people. However, Obama is just not selling so they are forcing this down our throats.
I sense that people are scared of Obama and a future with him as President. He has no problem with having friends who hate America and people wonder if this man is really an American. So his support is not really coming from the latte liberals. He is supported by the fatcats powers that be in the world. Latte liberals are just idiots for anything new and they don’t count for much.
We are condemned to live in interesting times.
Outstanding comment!
Indeed, this is brilliant and moving and a wonderful post and I totally agree with you about Immelt and the GOP. The reason I do believe is that I think that Obama is even better for corporate American than the GOP cause they have a real live puppet that belongs to them.
Thank you so very very much.
Can you “PLEASE” post “MORE! The was extremely insightful. You “NEED” to start posting dairies(DALIY)! Thank you AGAIN!!!!!!! Thought like that make me PROUD to a blkmn(real)HRC supporter, a AMERICAN!
Excellent comment. Hopefully people are starting to listen. Stop listening to everything they here on the t.v. I ask peole why they hate Hillary and so far no one has been able to give me a reasonable answer. One woman said I just dont care for her.The Clintons have done much for this country. Hillary specifically has worked her entire life for the peole. It seems to me that Americans should simply look at Obamas life and his associations thats enough. He is a liar, anti-american and anti israel. I cant believe it has gone this far. What the hell is going on in this country? Are we so desperate after the current administration that we would even consider someone like BHO?
The DNC can put Hillary on the ticket or say goodbye to the demo party as they know it.
Heard a commercial for the Randi Rhodes show this morning- “Who is going to answer the phone at 3 AM? McCain will, he’s up already for his 90th trip to pee…”
From what I’ve heard on and off from Rhodes since her return to Air Obama, this is pretty much all she has- pathetic, juvenile Incontinent Old People jokes. This is how she expects Obama to beat McCain in November- by insulting seniors.
As if they aren’t already ticked off enough at Obama.
Memo to Obamabrats: Get Rhodes to try a different tack, QUICK. Because this kind of crap just gets people angry. It doesn’t win votes for your candidate.
Personally, I hope McCain kicks Obama’s butt into the ashbin of history. But I’m suprised that Rhodes is helping this happen.
Did Rhodes take stupid pills or something? What part of “we may need old folks come November” doesn’t that twank understand? Oh, fuck it. Yeah, let’s just insult everybody and piss’em off so they all vote for McCain in November. What am I saying? If Barky gets the nod, I’ll be voting for McCain come November.
I so sick of the old people jokes, sometimes I want to support McCain just out of spite. The first two jokes were funny, but the constant BS is just vicious ageism.
Then you come over to the Dem side and Obama supporters are calling you “old school” “over the hill”, etc, etc.
I’d like to see these young punks who think they know it all get a real smack down.
Randi is really not even funny. She’s in the Lenny Bruce arm of comedy.
She’s just into outraging people.
Isn’t she more like some 7th grader who is the class clown?
Lenny was funny at one time. He was politica, radical and topical. She is none of these things.
John, there are 27 million of them. The joke is on Obama. They will all vote too. Right after they pee first.
Bud, excellent post, as usual. I can’t believe what that twit Chris Bowers says. I used to believe the culture war was between the evangelical repubs and the dems. Now it’s a class war between working class and the privileged faux intellectuals.
Brilliant Fred.
DownriverDem, there’s only ONE Democrat who should be in the WH and that’s Hillary Clinton. It’s either Hillary of McCain. Obama can hang out with Bill Ayers and talk trash about us bitter white people (or burn in hell).
Bud, Larry, Susan et al, read this about Ayers’s agenda as it appears in Obama’s platform (if we can call it that.)
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/pundita-ah-ha-what-barack-obama-means.html
It is a class war because that is critical in the Marxist formula….What makes Obama a fascist is the added component of racism as in Black Liberation Theology the classes are defined by Race…Obama is a MARXIST/ FASCIST.
Obama MUST be defeated at all costs.
AGREE…OBAMA IS A FASCIST…HE IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY…
Excellent Post Bud….Everytime I see that photo by Lange I get teary and catch my breath as it is truly one of the most astonishing works of art of the 20th C…TRUE ART HAS TRUE POWER….
The party built by FDR is in grave jeopardy….Ironic that FDR brought African Americans to the Party in his first election and it is Obama that is the FASCIST that our party Heart and soul faces to defeat…The longer Clinton is in this race the more she evokes FDR and the original fighting spirit of Our Party and Our Parties greatest Leaders…
workingclass artist, I so appreciate your comments…
I doubt Lange would agree with the use of her photograph in this post.
She would probably support Obama (she lived in San Francisco which voted for Obama by a wide margin).
And she would use her voice and camera to challenge anyone who misused a word like facist to describe Obama.
Get over it. We have moved on, and you are holding us behind. We do not want you, Obama does not want you, Brazile does not want you, Dean does not want you. No more white trash in the Democratic Party. Vote hope and change!!!!
Vote hope and change? You mean RON PAUL?
You certainly don’t mean Obama. He is NOT
hope, NOT change and NOT unity.
You have to be able to find your behind before you can hold it.
Be careful what you wish for.
spoken like a proper little fascist obama08…NOW WADDLE BACK TO GAZA
Obama 08 — You want to dump us all from the party so who will be left to vote for your Messiah?
Come back when you grow up–you damn fool.
All the white trash is voting Obama this year. Your version of hope and change is going to stick in your bowels like a bolshevik pinecone. Enjoy.
Thank God you don’t want us! Because you certainly won’t get any of us. Not. A. One. You. Or. Your. “Unity” Trojan. Horse.
Uh, folks, I suspect “Obama ‘08″ is a parody rather than a genuine Oborg.
As over the top as the commenst were, it’s kinda hard to tell.
reread this several times, thinking it just HAD to be a poor attempt at sarcasm, because no thinking human being could be so dumb. but looks like i was wrong and it isn’t sarcasm after all.
re dems not wanting any “white trash” - obambi thinks any dem who doesn’t vote for him is white trash. he has conned a few pseudo-intellectuals into thinking they are above everyone else because they vote for him.
fortunately for the country, there are many more of what obambi calls white trash and what the rest of call normal people than there are of the snot-nosed assholes who call others trash. and if the dems don’t want us, which they clearly don’t this year, we’ll be happy to take the advice and vote repub.
that’s where obambi’s mistake proves itself - telling many millions of people to fuck off doesn’t exactly get you their votes.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
We don’t want them either! So we shall see!
And by the way you little pisspot, I could probably put your whole house inside of mine. You are trash to me, not the other way around. I bet you live home with your parents and suck their retirement 401k dry so that you can “appear” “upscale”. Get a job! Your parents are sick of suppporting you! Finish that pissant degree you think will open doors for you and then move back home again and wait for the perfect job. I have three of those degrees you little shithead. And my generation is sick of your mouth and sick of carrying you. Now get the hell off this board and go take out the garbage,you little shithead.
You haven’t seen ANYTHING yet.
I may be poor but you little pisspot lazy bum I have a job in fact I have a job that a little snot nose like you couldnt handle. I work with the Mentally Ill teaching them skills to survive in a world outside the Mental Hospital. I also work with gang members of course this position is not paid because I have a deep commitment to my community. You see you little piss pot I am an African American who cares about all the people in my community. Course noone really knows about Huiessien or how ever you spell his real terriorist name. I believe his entire story is a lie.
Does you mother know that you are playing on the computer? It is very hard to respond to you. I fear your ignorance will not allow you to have an open mind. Grow up and save you vote for 2016.
I am voting for Hope
HOPE OBAMA THE TERRIORIST GOES AWAY
I am voting for change
I AM VOTING REPUBLICIAN FOR A CHANGE
Thanks so much for articulating such an excellent analysis of the tsunami shift in the Democratic party.
My only addition is that it’s happening because finding solutions for the working class is simply too challenging for the new “creative class.” It’s just that simple. They prefer to be like a woman I once liked who said, “I can’t handle going to Wall-Mart and being around ‘those’ people.”
I grew up in the South, so her remark absolutely struck me as the most hideous, snobbish, condescending remark I’d ever heard.
My own personal reaction was that I decided that ‘I can’t be around this type of snob. It’s just too much to handle’.
A fascinating look at what is going on. Yes, the party is splitting up. The far left wing is only interested in taking control and kicking the rest of us out. Screw Bowers and his creative class bullshit. What an elitist waste of carbon.
They are simply lazy. They don’t want to be bothered with the working class.
It’s a headache.
PROPRIUM HUMANI INGENII EST ODISSE QUEM LAESERIS….NO ?
( It is human nature to hate whom you have injured )
The Elitists who run the show in the New Demofascist Party hate the Working Class and The Working Poor…
Oh …… is that it?
What I don’t “get” is that all my friends who are in managerial positions in corporate are bailing right and left. Offer them an early retirement? They are taking it.
They’d rather work at Trader Joe’s than stay in this work envioronment.
I relate. I was in financial companies. We went through the scouring years ago, so I know what my friends are experiencing. And it’s not a fast death, either. It’s slow, insideous, and kills the work passion better than a drought of arsenic.
But hate the working class?
Hardly. I related. I knew it would creep up. I was right.
So is this just a case of arrogance?
Our creative class isn’t so impressive right now. They don’t even make good movies, nevermind much in the way of technology.
Personally, I’m a bit done with the “what’s wrong with us,” crud.
I’m much more interested in solutions. Let’s just throw the kitchen sink here. Let’s get into action!
Alas, this election tells me that people aren’t ready for solutions. We have a SMIDGE of population who are. She’s winning in that group, because Hillary is about real solutions, not victim card bs.
But the amount she’s winning on is so small.
*sigh*
I think it’s such a mistake for people to give up on us.
BO is a complete waste of skin.
Protest votes are nothing new. As someone said in a blog post recently, given the choices of politicians we have been presented with over the years, most votes are cast against a candidate rather than for a candidate. This year, I don’t think it is enough to leave the top of the ballot empty, or to write in a candidate. The vote from the historic base of the Democratic party needs to be loud and clear.
I have never voted in protest. Won’t this year, either.
Frankly, McCain seems saner than Obama.
Plus, I don’t think he’s an 8-year-candidate. He would be a place-marker only. Yes, the dang “surge” mentality would go on. Yes, he MIGHT get to present conservatives for the courts.
But if the new Democratic party manages to get their congressional approval ratings out of the basement, then they can have the influence.
Frankly, even Mississipi’s Republican loss doesn’t convince me that anyone suggesting that this is a “Dem” year is on track. I think this is a “Vote all of them out,” year.
I always hate that public reaction, btw. I hate seeing seasoned politicians get booted, even if I disagree. Man, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
But……in the past decade…….I’ve seen some fine congresspeople tossed out over the war.
I think it’s going to happen again.
Pelosi, I think, could be removed by her area. It’s SF, and her obvious support for a non-supportive candidate to gay/lesbian rights is not going to go unnoticed. Her obvious lies aren’t going to go unnoticed. Her obvious lack of effectivity isn’t going to go unnoticed.
We’ll see, but this is a year of vote the rascal out, I think.
Good for you.
AMEN!!
I was gonna write in Hillary but I have decided to vote against Hussein Obama by putting a check next to McCain. Not sure about down ticket races yet. It all depends on how much more sh*t they sling at Hillary and Bill and me for supporting Hillary , a solid, good Democrat that can win in a landslide .
Vote down ticket for those who supported Hillary, oust the rest. We need to keep the House and Senate to balance out McCain when he wins.
Please refrain from replying to the trolls: think about this.
(1) Why are they here?
(2) Who cares about these pubescent punks?
(3) They might get paid by the number of replies they get.
Trolls tend to be narcissists and the meanest thing you could do to them is deny them their narcissist fix.
If Obama wins the nomination I hope he will lose all 57 states
Great article! Thank you, Bud.
You’re more of a feminist than most women I know.
Thank you. That’s a huge compliment.
BudWhite:
What an insightful post! Quite an accurate description of what’s happening.
If the DNC doesn’t wake up it will self-destruct in a few weeks.
If it had not been for the working [class] Americans there would be no America today.
you are correct sir…IT IS THE WORKING CLASS WHO BUILT AND MAINTAIN THIS COUNTRY….THE WORKING CLASS ARE AMERICA’S SOUL AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS IT IS TO US THAT WASHINGTON DC MUST ANSWER…
If Clinton is denied the nomination then I will vote Republican in protest for the first time since 1979 and I will not hesitate as I believe that OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY….I will tear up my voter rgistration card and send the original to the DNC along with copies of my new Card…I will also send copies of same to every democrat in my state legislature and Congress with FUCK YOU FOR FUCKINOVER 2/3 THE BASE !
I have kept careful track of who is sane in our party and who is not…Hillary supporters will simply get the notation of my leaving the party that left me.
To Obama ‘08,
Pretty demeaning post to white Americans who have not been able to reach the brass ring. However, the downtrodden and impoverished do not need the likes of Brazile, Dean or Pelosi. So we bid you farewell since it is obvious to me that you and your candidate will be the catalysts for change. Just remember one thing, “He” has to get to the White House to initiate it. Sorry but the “white trash” will not help him get there.
To Obama08 let me ask you a question if the poor whites are uneducated what are the poor blacks? You see you little stupid bastard The poor people are in the same boat. We have the same problems and when you idiots talk about the white trash you are also saying the same thing about poor blacks. Grow up and get off the computer before your mommy comes home and puts you on punishment for not doing your homework.
POWERFUL, POWERFUL VIDEO. PLEASE WATCH.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/05/ask-not-what-has-obama-done-for-black.html
Yo, thanks for the link. Very powerful. Please see my comments on your second link, downthread.
Great Post- John McCain is galvanizing voters, many Democrats like me, who are looking to some leadership froma President.
Get behind McCain; Fix the Democratic Party after the elections.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-arianna-huffington-endorses.html
That guy Chris Bowers is off his rocker. Does he honestly believe the Democrats can win anything if they only appeal to the urban liberal elite? Get real.
What pisses me off about this whole thing is that some people think it’s an either/or. Well, guess what folks? I would by all standards fit that “liberal elite” qualification now, but my entire family has blue-collar roots. But just because I’m not “blue collar” due to my education and career, it doesn’t mean I don’t have strong blue collar leanings. Those are MY people!
I take great exception to any movement that seeks to disenfranchise the very hard working blue collar people who built this country from the ground up.
Sign me,
A Coal Miner’s Granddaughter
I have to agree with you but I gotta wonder, With all the people the Democrats have alienated, and all the Middle class which has been decimated by Bush-Cheney’s policies and all the people who are now broke or upside down on their mortgages and just managing to eke out a living, WHO’s LEFT?
Thank you. You are correct. Many of us actually stay true and continue to be united with the demo party. Well at least what we were raised and believed the party was.The notion that the working class are a bunch of ignorant uneducated racist white trash people is hard to swallow. My entire family are democrats and have been a part of this country for 4 generations. My Grandfather helped build this country with his hard work, sweat and tears. And he also walked the streets at night during ww2 in D.C. when there were black outs to make sure no one had any light coming from there house. Where was Barack Hussien Obama’s family when this was going on? How dare some wet behind the ears, oportunist, ignorant, black,sexist, racist puppet, as far as we know muslim try to degrade the very foundation of this nation. This divide that has been created has been long in the making, we will have to see how it plays out. I would be curious to see what the party looks like as far as educated and impoverished after all of the Hillary supporters leave it. All might be surprised. As for me I will vote McCain in November. Remember what Hillary told us while she was campaigning. There are 2 people in this campaign that can lead this nation. Herself and John McCain. I hear you Hillary. God Bless and keep America.
Just got back, and came to NQ…..this thread I have not read yet, have no idea the topic, just wanted to say right now that woman, has the most magnificent face, and anyone who can’t see the beauty is blind,of what the working class has gone through,given for this country, it is all written in this woman’s face………
It matters more what’s in a woman’s face than what’s on it.
~Claudette Colbert, quoted in Kindling the Spirit by Lois P. Frankel
If Obama wins the democratic party will be dead.
It will be the Obama party.
(excuse me while I go barf)
He has failed to put together any kind of winning coalition. His own campaign suggested days ago that Bill Clinton would need to reunite the party.
What does concern me is the obvious lack of backbone in the Democratic Party. That has been pretty shocking to me, personally.
I exit from this primary season with far less pride in our party and farm more skepticism about the quality of politician it attracts.
Perhaps, we don’t deserve the reputation we’ve enjoyed for so long.
I Know!!! They call Bill a cracker, and expect him to save their butts?
The AAs have really screwed their own pooch on this one, let me tell you.
Race relations have been set back at least thirty years thanks to the guy who is using them. He cares about them like he cared about the Rezko AAs who were freezing their butts off in those apartments right under Barry’s nose.
That galls me that they expect Hillary to bring her supportors around and now they expect Bill Clinton the racist to unite the party. Bill is angry right now because he got labled a racist and now you want this racist to unite the party. I think Bill and Hillary should tell the Dems and Obama to kiss their racist ass and then leave the stupid democrats. Let them unite with the loser and watch them all lose in November. I plan to vote down on Dems for years to come because they need to be severely punished and McCain is not a Neo-con no matter how much he pretends to be. He is a good and decent man unlike the Obama Monster.
My posts are showing up but I’ll try again
POWERFUL, POWERFUL VIDEO YOU MUST SEE. When the Repubs start using this, if Obama is the nominee this will really sink his boat.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/05/ask-not-what-has-obama-done-for-black.html
VERY powerful video. “collateral for the advancement of others”…that speaks volumes. This should definitely be used by the republicans. It IS real news footage. Thanks for providing the link.
I’ll urge everyone to see it, too. You might have seen it before, but much attention should be given to it now that we have learned that BO & Co. would like to drive poor white people from the party. He obviously doesn’t care much about poor people of any color, or he would have done his job in Chicago…instead of trying to figure out how to get a $1.4 million dollar house for himself.
Outstanding article, Bud White. I never cease to be impressed with the exquisite quality of writing on No Quarter. The analysis of the primary situation is far more clearly defined on this site…and the sites quoted (anglachel and others). I am ready for Obama & Co. to be soundly defeated and silent. Let them form their own little lefty party…I won’t have anything to do with them. But I resent, very much, what they have done to our party. I will not vote for Obama.
It never could have happened in a strong party. That’s the reality.
WE have put weak politicians into play. WE have only ourselves to blame. and WE are also the solution.
They had to take a party with a history of achievement and respect and usurp it because no one would vote for what they actually believe in and stand for. That’s the real truth. They call themselves “democrats,” but aren’t. They have just taken the name and thrown everything else overboard. It’s more the Chicago style Facists party.
There were many life=long conservatives in the GOP who did’nt give a shit about Falwell’s culture wars too…Fact is any party is subject to factional infighting…this is why strong leadership is necessary and the Democratic Party has not had that since Bill Clinton was POTUS…Hillary Clinton is our only hope for strong leadership and that’s why she is such a big threat to the current ogliarchy.
You are all correct!!! The only thing I know to do, if Hillary does not win the nomination, is change party affiliation to Republican until Dems get their stuff back together. Any suggestions, other than that…to get their attention? However, I still hold out great hope that she will win this thing. She is in it til the end…for us.
Obama and his gang must be purged from the party or we will not recognize our country in 4 years.
My opinion is opposite. We’ll so recognize it. It’s a country slowly giving up.
I’ve always thought how we would be defeated was just how I see us being defeated. Drain the money through unnecessary wars we can’t win. Weaken the economy. Build up niches that do our jobs better than us. Take away our earning power.
And then……..just watch the economy collapse.
These are scary thoughts, but I don’t think I’m wrong. That’s what’s happening.
GB went through a horrible time when its economy collapsed. And they have found a bit of relief, even though a 2nd tier country. Perhaps that’s in our future, too. A comfortable 2nd tier country.
Frankly, the populace seems to be more at ease with ranting and raving AGAINST than truly taking a leadership role. So perhaps we’re negotiating our way out of leadership in the world.
It’s a burden being a leader. It’s a burden dealing with the problem of the working class.
I sense the sheer laziness in this election for someone who “sexes you up” and never delivers.
The big story is how America is tired.
So apropros for a losing war populace.
We just want our real silk hose again and not have to bargain with flour.
I think this will go down as war chaos year.
What’s I’m not confident about is that we’ll actually survive ourselves.
America isn’t tired.
Its just that the people(the working class) has no one to speak or represent them in the halls of power for a long time.
Its people have been shafted, lied to, betrayed, sent to the poor house en-masse and generally treated like swine to the slaughter house by both parties for the last 15 years.
They’ve watched as their country has been de-industrialized, had its technological crown jewels sold to the highest bidder by the sociopaths of WallStreet. And millions of them watched as their well paying jobs got sent overseas never to return.
And you won’t hear a peep from most Democrats about this either.
So today we have a nation thats economically a mere shadow of what it was from only 15 years ago.
And both parties are to blame.
All the while millionaire political hacks dwell on crap and ignore the critical issues s facing this country.
As for the Democratic party it hasn’t had a decent leader since FDR and has been living off his reputation since then.
Its become a party devoid of ideas, beliefs and refusal to fight for anything of value. Its no wonder the party elite see Obama as their leader. He represents everything the Democrats have become today.
UNTIL RECENTLY….The last time I felt any politician gave a shit about the Working Class his last name was CLINTON too….
Yes, yes, yes, yes! Excellent point! Thank goodness Hillary is a fighter for the working class.
There is every chance it will be the Clinton branch of the party that is purged.
The sad fact that Barky has support from the DNC, beltway elite, SD’s, netroots, AA’s and wealthy liberals tells me we have coup in progress within the Democratic party.
The sad thing is we had signs that this was coming after Reid and Pelosi took power and reneged and just about everything they promised to do is elected. Instead all they did was support the Bush agenda. It was like the GOP never lost power.
I see your point, but I also know that this group doesn’t represent real people.
They have, therefore, no real power.
Hillary is right about her experience with her health care failure. It and other real losses politically taught her an important fact about American politics.
Nothing comes from nothing. You can win an election, but without the will of the people? That’s an empty win.
This election is a perfect example. He has NOT won the will of the Democratic Party.
End of story.
He’ll get nowhere.
I AGREE WITH YOU ANNEINCA….Obama’s support will evaporate in the general for 2 reasons….
#1. The Youth Vote is notoriously unreliable…
#2. Most of his idependent Cracker support will revert to voting GOP
I’ll bet by the time the GOP machine is through with him he won’t even win Illinois….and will be ripe for Fitzgeralds phase 3 trial right after Blagovitch is impeached…
With his virtual empty resume and lack of experience, I never see BO as a viable candidate since the get go. Now with the demean behavior from him and his supporters, he will never get my support in my life time.
I found this at TalkLeft. It doesn’t take into account the fraud, corruption, threats, and attacks that took place mostly in TX caucuses.
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What has 2008 shown us in terms of the fairness of the Democratic nomination process? That the caucus system is neither fair nor representative.
Here’s an interesting report on the differences between primaries and caucuses and the impact in the 2008 Presidential nomination. I am reprinting it with the permission of its author, P. Cronin. It addresses:
Voter Suppression in Caucuses
Disenfranchised Voter Groups & Statistics
Differential in Voter Turnout Rates
Popular Vote Disparity
Estimated Voter Suppression in 2008 Caucuses
Caucus Systems Distort Election Results
Vote-spread Differences
Disproportionate Votes-to-Delegates Ratio
More Math of Electability
Other Primary versus Caucus Considerations
2008 Democratic Election Snapshot
What IF: Florida & Michigan
Some highlights are below, but I recommend reading the entire report. [More....]
Here are some stats:
By the numbers, in 2008 primaries have averaged 400% greater voter turnout in eligible voters than caucuses.
Of the 33.5 million popular votes in the 2008 Democratic Primaries, caucus voters have
collectively cast only 3.2% of the total or 1.1 million votes.
the 13 caucus states have 23.2 million eligible voters. The average Democratic voter turnout in 2008 caucuses has been 4.5% versus 19.92% in primaries.
42% of Obama’s wins are caucus states, 95% of Clinton’s wins are primary states.
Three states have both caucuses and primaries. Take a look at the different results as to voter turnout and preference in the Democratic race:
Washington: On February 9, Washington held its statewide caucus and an estimated 245,000 caucus-goers – 5.3% of eligible voters – chose Obama over Clinton by 67.5% to 31.2%, a whopping 36-point margin. Ten days later, WA held a primary attended by 691,381 [15% of eligible voters, ie, almost 3 times the caucus turnout] and Obama won by 51.2% to 45.7%. [Citizens of WA voted-in a State-run Primary. However, the Party-run caucus results are still the legal results.]
The impact:
Washington allocated its 78 pledged delegates at a ratio of 2:1 [67% to 33%] and Obama got 52 versus Clinton’s 26. He gained 26 delegates. If the pledged delegates had been allocated according to the primary results, Obama would have won roughly 41 delegates compared to Clinton’s 37. He would be gained only 4 delegates. Bottom line: The caucus vs. primary election benefited Obama by a net 22 delegates – 14.5% of the 152 pledged delegates separating the two.
Nebraska: On February 9, Nebraska held a caucus and only 3.04% of the 1.3 million eligible voters participated. Those 38,571 caucus-goers chose Obama over Clinton 68% to 32% and he won 16 of the 24 pledged delegates. In stark contrast, on May 13th, Nebraska held a primary where nearly 94,000 voters [7.5% of eligible voters] chose Obama by 49.4% to 46.6% ,– only 2.8% instead of the 36% vote-spread recorded in the caucus. If delegates were allocated on the results of the primary instead of the caucus, Obama and Clinton would have received 12 pledged delegates each.
Bottom line: Obama’s 13,700 vote victory in the red-state Nebraska caucus netted him 8 pledged delegates. Compare that to Clinton’s 204,000 vote victory in the battleground state of Ohio which netted her only 9 pledged delegates.
The third state is Texas, and the report has a section on that aw well.
The report asks, “which states are more important to win in the General Election? Which are a stronger indicator of candidate strength and offer a better barometer for voter preference for the Democratic nominee?”
Obama’s 138 pledged delegates lead derived from the 12 caucus states he won is only 18 less than Clinton’s 156 pledged delegates won from all of these hard-fought, primary states: California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Indiana, Tennessee, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, New Mexico, West Virginia, New Hampshire and Rhode Island.
These Clinton-won states have a combined 220 electoral votes, 87.2 million eligible voters and cast a total of 18,400,000 votes in these primaries. Compare that with the Obama-won caucus states with a combined 69 electoral votes, 21.5 million eligible voters and only 944,000 total votes cast.
The stats show what happens when all states are weighted equally:
42% of Obama’s wins have been in caucus states wherein one-half have not voted Democratic since 1964, 70% voted Republican in 2004, 8 out of the 13 states had only 8,700 to 43,900 voters each and there is a total of 74 electoral votes for all caucus states.
In other words, a comparison of the two systems shows:
suppressed voter turnout in caucus vs. primary states
lopsided vote-spread differential between Obama and Clinton in the caucus vs. primary states
relative impact of caucus elections on the allocation of pledged delegates to each candidate
disproportionate impact of caucus votes in relation to convention delegates
On the lopsided vote apread differential:
In 2008, the 34 primaries [excluding MI & FL] have produced an average .8 percent vote-difference between Obama and Clinton. By contrast, the 13 caucuses have had a 28 percent vote-spread.
Why?
Because of the restrictions inherent in the caucusing process, participants traditionally include the most motivated voters, party partisans & loyalists and voters strongly committed to a candidate and/or the voting process itself. Since this is generally a relatively small subset of all voters, true voter preferences can be skewed.
The result is “a disproportionate allocation per candidate of the 498 pledged delegates allotted to the caucus states [including TX caucus]“.
35 Primaries w/FL :
33,832,107 total votes
Clinton + 35,387
Clinton + 62 delegates
13 Caucuses + TX :
1,057,137 total votes
Obama + 299,768
Obama + 193 delegates
In other words:
35 Primaries with 33.8 million voters have Clinton leading in both votes and delegates.
Caucuses with 1.1 million voters gave Obama 300,000 more votes and 193 more delegates.
….After 47 state elections to date, Obama leads Clinton by 152 pledged delegates. 97% of the difference – 148 delegates – is directly attributable to lopsided victories in caucus contests.
As to the disproportionate impact of the caucus results:
Though voters in all 13 caucus states have cast only 3.2% of the total 33.5 million votes so far – those votes control 15.3% of the pledged delegates and 16.4% of the Super delegates sent to the DNC Convention – average 15.5% of the total delegates [626 caucus / 4047 total]. After all remaining primaries the total votes could easily top 36 million, dropping the caucus vote to 2.9% of the total. In that event, 1 out of every 34 votes will determine and control 1 of every 6.5 delegates.
Bottom line: caucus voters will have a grossly disproportionate role in determining the 2008 Democratic nominee.
Put another way:
34 Primary States -32.4 Million Votes
13 Caucus States -1.1 Million Votes
3.2% of the vote controls 15.5% of the delegate selection for the 2008 Democratic Convention.
Still More:
97% of pledged delegate difference between Obama and Clinton is directly related to the caucus victories, caucus delegates’ account for 1 in every 6.5 DNC delegates and nearly 2/3 of those delegates will vote pro-Obama essentially giving them substantially more clout in determining the 2008 Democratic nominee.
On the impact on the electoral math and map:
21 of Obama’s 29 states won are either caucus states or Red states – including 80% of the deepest Red that have not voted Democratic since 1964 to 1976. With a win in SD and MT, he will finish with 230 Electoral Votes –121 of those from Red states.
Notably, if Obama is the Democratic nominee, he will start the race for the Presidency with 109 Electoral Votes from blue or purple states. That’s 40% of what he’ll need to win in November.
For Hillary:
In contrast, only one of Clinton’s 20 states won is a caucus and only 26% of her total Electoral Votes are from Red states. Further, 227 of Clinton’s 308 EV are from blue and purple states meaning that she would start the Presidential race having won states that account for 84% of the EV needed to win the White House.
Consider this:
The 13 Caucus states comprise 26% of all states voting in the 2008 Democratic Preference Election but account for only 74 of the total 538 Electoral Votes in the General Election.
….70% of the caucus states — – 9 of 13 — – voted Republican in the 2004 General Election. Those states held 45 of the 74 total electoral votes for all caucus states. In 2000, 8 of the 13 states [62%] voted for Bush.
….There are 185.7 million total eligible voters [VEP] in the 47 state contests held so far. Clinton has won states with 104.9 million eligible voters and Obama has won states with 80.8 million. Moreover, based on VEP, the average Democratic voter turnout in Clinton’s states was 20.1% compared to 15.4% turnout in Obama’s states [17 primaries @ 19.4% turnout and 12 caucuses @ 4.4% turnout]. MI & FL are excluded.
….The United States has a total of 538 electoral votes and 270 are needed to win the Presidency. Clinton has won 18 states with 264 electoral votes versus Obama’s 29 states with 224 electoral votes. MI & FL are excluded.
Page 11 lists a host of reasons caucuses are less representative and fair than primaries. It then finds:
When the results of all 34 primaries are totaled and averaged there is only a .8% vote differential and .8% difference in total delegates –Obama is ahead by 259,000 votes out of 32.4 million and Clinton is ahead by 24 delegates out of 3,114.
When Florida is added in, Clinton leads by 62 delegates and 35,387 votes. These dead-heat Primary results closely parallel national polls in the two candidate match-up since Super Tuesday.
On Florida and Michigan:
Since the DNC stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates, results from these primaries have purposely been omitted from most discussion till now. Since both states conducted a legitimate Primary election and posted certified results and since the states have a combined 44 electoral votes and nearly 20 million eligible voters that cast a cumulative 2,345,000 votes [twice the number of all caucus votes and roughly 7% of total votes] readers may want to consider the voter preferences expressed in order to assess candidate electability for the General Election.
After several graphs of number-crunching, the report finds:
If Florida and Michigan are added to all election results, Clinton would gain another 27 and 17 electoral votes respectively and would have a total of 308 – 38 more than the 270 needed to win the Presidency in the General Election. Obama’’s 29 states won have 224 electoral votes which would be 46 short of the 270 needed to win.
Finally, if Florida and Michigan are added to the 47 state elections already concluded [34 primaries + 13 caucus states] there are 205.5 million total eligible voters [VEP]. Clinton has won states with 124.7 million eligible voters and Obama has won states with 80.8 million. In this instance, Clinton would have won 19 primaries versus 17 for Obama.
On the topic of built-in voter suppression, the report explains how and why these groups are not fairly represented:
Elderly / hospitalized / ill health
Military oversees or on out-of-state assignment
Voters out of state
Voters with kids – especially small children – who can’t get or afford a babysitter
Workers who can not get time off work, or who can’t afford the time off
Citizens with limited English proficiency [estimated at 8 to 10 Million voters nationwide]
In conclusion, the report quotes ““Has America Outgrown the Caucus?”” by Tova Wang, a Democracy Fellow at The Century Foundation:
Caucuses, as opposed to primaries, by their very structure violate fundamental principles of voting rights. Their time-consuming, inflexible, Byzantine procedures discourage broad participation, presenting substantial barriers to the right to vote. It is not that the caucuses violate the Constitution—they are run by the parties, not the states, and do not violate voting rights as a matter of law. Rather, because of their exclusionary nature, they go against some of the core values we express when we talk about voting rights, such as the fundamental nature of the right, equality of opportunity to participate in the process, and fair access to the ballot.
Regardless of what reforms are considered, it is clear that the caucus is a deeply flawed method for selecting a nominee, and this problem can no longer be shunted aside.
…. Caucuses, as they are currently conducted, do not respect those rights and should not continue in their current form going forward.
The report concludes:
[I]t’’s been shown that caucus elections not only suppress voter participation but also literally systemically disenfranchise voters such as people with disabilities, military personnel on assignment, those physically incapable of participation and all other would-be voters who can not meet the “exact time and place” physical
attendance requirement. Likewise, it’s clear that caucus elections skew overall voting results and have a disproportionate impact on selection of the Democratic nominee for President at the DNC convention.
From a voting rights standpoint the questions become: When millions of Americans are filtered-out or systemically lockedout of the caucusing process, how can we say we have a nominee who is chosen democratically, by the will of the people? When so many citizens are excluded from the voting process how can we trust the outcome of elections?
….[I]t seems clear that the voter preference of the 34 million citizens who have voted through the open, inclusive Primary system should receive the more serious consideration. Their voices have shown a near-tie race between Clinton and Obama, with Clinton having an edge in both delegates and votes.
While this is the system we have, and in 2008 it’s not possible to change the rules in hindsight, we have more than 800 superdelegates who can change their mind up until the convention. The questions they need to ask themselves before making a final commitment:
Which candidate has the best overall experience and skill-set to prepare them for the Presidency? Which candidate is better suited to withstand the Republican attacks and unrelenting scrutiny? What core constituencies does each candidate draw? What is the size and voting record of those groups? How many voters will be lost if “their” candidate is not nominated, ie, will not vote at all or will cross-over and become the 2008 Reagan Democrats? Which states are “must wins” for the needed electoral votes? In this Democratic Preference Election, which candidate emerges having won most of those “must win” states?
Update: Several commenters have asked for more information about the author of the report, P. Cronin. Here it is:
Peniel Cronin is the President & CEO of Global Basics and eNameWiz.com. Cronin holds a B.S. in Accounting from Arizona State University and has 16 years experience as an accountant and Director of Marketing for several SMEs.
Cronin directs all strategic development and product/market research and developed the algorithms and database that power the eNameWiz multilingual domain creation and search system.
Representative clients through Global Basics have included the Arizona Office of Tourism, the Nevada Commission on Tourism, the Arizona Shopping Consortium, Shop America Alliance, America West Airlines, Southwest Airlines, AeroMexico and numerous other travel and domain industry organizations. Cronin holds three US & German Patents, several trademarks and numerous copyrights.
Cronin suffers from a disability resulting from a car accident 40 years ago at age 12 which left her “wheelchair bound” for two years, at a time when there were no curb cuts or ramps and nothing was accessible. This is what fueled her passion about the caucus information. She knows what it’s like to be locked-out of the mainstream and to be excluded from full participation in what others take for granted.
As usual for that site……whew, every thought of condensing?
*Give me a headache*
repeat slowly
Caucuses are not democratic and represent less people
Primaries more fair, represent more people
Obama wins caucuses
Hillary wins primaries
Do you just enjoy playing devil’s advocate or what?
annnnnnd you get what you pay for….Caucuses are cheap….This is why they continue….
Generally, Ann, I find your comments to be good, but I don’t think we should require that all websites take the USA Today/TMZ approach to reporting, where everything is provided in a simple summary.
This is a good analysis and important to report.
Go for it!
I bet if I bothered to read through it, it would be great.
But I’m don’t think tortured analytical posts do much for anyone.
This is not a “tortured analytical post.” It’s a comprehensive report. Some of us appreciate depth. These things *must* be looked at analytically.
We can base our opinions on the heat of emotion, but these numbers do not lie. Considering these numbers support the argument that Hillary is being stripped of a nomination that is due to her, you should not be dismissing this report on the grounds that it makes your head hurt.
Go for it!
I bet if I bothered to read through it, it would be great.
But I’m don’t think tortured analytical posts do much for anyone.
It is true. The caucus no longer can represent our choices. I was involved in the Texas Caucus and let me tell you it was a joke. No organization, much intimidation going on from Obama supporters. I have 2 Hillary stickers on my car and have been told by more than one elder person that I am brave for showing my support.That tells me that many elderly are afraid of him and his organization. ???? I dont get it. Or I know, I am just a typical ignorant,gun totin,uneducated, predjudice red neck from the south. Oh yea and we must not forget poor and white. I think thats about it. Its a wonder we dumb asses can operate a computer. The caucus in my district by no means was representative of our votes. Get rid of the caucus.Strickly votes winner take all. Thats democracy. Hillary all the way to the convention. Keep supporting her.
I’m with you. I’m done with even arguing with Obama supporters.
Bosnia sniper fire versus his “uncle.”
The fact of the matter is that truth emerges in all situations, if enough time elapses.
This is exactly what I’m seeing. Hillary had the backbone to not get bullied out.
Now, the truth of what her supporters have been saying, “double standard,” “unfair coverage,” is all coming to a head.
We were right.
Now, being right doesn’t mean you win.
But it does mean…..we were right.
AnninCa- you are correct being right doesnt mean we will win. But the fact that Hillary is willing and able to take this all the way to the convention says so much about her perseverance. She will force the DNC to make a clear stand on the Florida and Michigan count. They may highjack this election but everyone will know and he will not get the white house. PERSEVERANCE
St Francis of Assisi struggled with it before he mastered it- He said,”Start by doing what’s necessary, then what’s possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.”
Go Hillary
This may be a lengthy post, but it is an excellent argument as to why Obama is not the “chosen one” for the Democratic Party. The superdelegates who are supporting him are either lazy (because this information is available if they searched for it), stupid (ditto), or brain dead (ditto again).
Hillary needs to fight this all the way to Denver… and beyond if necessary. Beyond means an independent candidacy.
As far as I am concerned, many of his supporters should go back from where they came. They aren’t true Democratic voters anyway. They are truly the ones that are not needed in the Democratic party. Let them stand on their own and see how much support they get! They are screwing the grand party of FDR, and to them, I say screw you!
People who cling to the label of ‘Democrat’ to substantiate supporting Obama remind me of a mother who keeps feeding a dead baby.
This can be a time of creation, not destruction. Let’s focus on how to make that happen.
Hey Jay….How long do you suppose it takes to build a party….in decades ?
Wow! Those disappearing guns on the reservation is one scary story. In fact, the whole thing is scary as hell. And sickening.
I was on Hillary’s site this morning and a blog poster wanted to know what Senator Clinton planned to do for Muslims. He then stated that Muslims are the second largest group in the USA.
My head nearly exploded. Are these the factoids being passed around as truth anymore? This was probably an Obama supporter stirring the pot but I felt like reaching into the computer and grabbing a scrawny neck.
Hummm. What will she do for you? How about protecting and defending your basic human rights and civil liberties under the U.S. Constitution. That’s a pretty good place to start. And while she’s at it, I have every reason to believe she’d worked tirelessly to resolve and cleanup the mess in the Middle East. But then, there’s stuff we can do to: like carefully consider our vote, examine each candidate on merit and refuse to be suckered into a sand castle of promises, pretty words and tainted history.
The tide comes in and the tide goes out. Eventually, Obama and his dream meisters will be washed away like so much seaweed. I just hope there’s something left on the beach when it’s over.
I know I was offended when I read that blog spot stop thinking in groups except one group–AMERICANS
Yes, the Democrats have revealed themselves as disliking women. Robin Morgan is correct. The democratic liberals’ rank sexism has turned me away and I have worked for and donated to Democrats for 25 years. No more ironing their shirts.
Can anyone list specifically what Obama has done to Hilary?
DAN
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Do your own research, Dan. We already have.
Start with Obama’s disrespect toward Hillary during one of the first debates when he said, without looking up from his pad, “You’re likable enough.”
Is it that nuance is lost on you? Your ignorance is staggering.
How about calling her a Racist just to steal the black vote when in fact he probley didnt need too. How about telling the old republician lies on Hillary that everyone knows isnt true. Well Obamabots what makes you think the Clintons should help you.
Bud,
This is the BEST and most informative piece I’ve read on this issue which is quite staggering. Thank you for your excellent research and composition.
Please post more!!
Another AP writer attempts to annhilate Clinton.
The article: The Era of Big Clintons is Soon Over
(AP, Posted 2008-05-27 09:30:50, by Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer)
Mr. Woodward’s smoking keyboard emitted ammunition in the form of a barrage of insults and nonsense in an attempt to (dare I say) “assassinate” the smattering of facts in his piece of prose.
As a seasoned Independent Reader of MSM 2008 (how do you like that snazzy little title I invented for myself?), I have identified the salient details among today’s ration of propaganda:
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“One quarter of Americans have never known life without a Clinton trying for or having the presidency. Millions have gone from diapers to diplomas in the time of the Clintons.”
“Whatever else you might say about them, they have contributed to substantive dialogue and policy,” says Mary Matalin, a Clinton-era Republican strategist. “Hats off to them substantively. “They’re really kind of giants in this world.”
“Dial back to Bill Clinton’s two terms and a few big achievements and various smaller ones stand out: unsurpassed economic growth, a balanced budget, welfare reform, free trade, a Middle East peace agreement, gun control, more money for police on the street, the first Cabinet without white men in the majority.”
“Hillary Clinton came blowing into the Senate chamber, the newly minted junior senator from New York. She was diligent from the start, attentive to constituent needs and a hard worker on the Armed Services Committee. She promised to be “pretty New York-centric,” and was. [HRC] turned into a workhorse and formed surprising alliances with Republicans. She edged toward the center and attempted to accomplish in little pieces what she could not pull off as a whole in her years as first lady. Clinton joined Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina in a law improving health coverage for members of the National Reserve and Guard serving in Iraq. She pushed for tighter regulation of prescription drugs for children and help for recovery workers whose health was impaired by laboring at the site of the 2001 World Trade Center terrorist attack.”
“Ninety-nine percent of the country feels they have a relationship with her,” said Mike McCurry, former press secretary to President Clinton.”
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I will not repeat Mr. Woodward’s familiar rhetoric, conjecture and otherwise creative verbal abuse as it is pointless and beneath the moral and ethical code our Press Corps should innately possess.
Among other egregious transgressions, the media has taken a cavalier stance in reporting the plight of the millions of MI and FL voters who have had their constitutional rights stripped. These voters exercised their constitutional right to have their voices heard in this important national contest of Democracy. The media is wielding its constitutional right to be heard as a weapon of mass destruction.
“If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859″.
The media should take a lesson here and use the power of their Right for the greater good of upholding the rights of millions of our citizens.
Ironically, Mr. Woodward’s article, when reduced bare to its facts only, clearly illustrates the beliefs of her supporters that Hillary Clinton has the most substantial political experience, has the ability to cross political party lines to attract supporters, has done more for issues involving African Americans, has a top-notch adviser in her hip pocket (Bill) and has a “giant” well-known and well respected brand name.
At any rate, AP’s latest coup attempt was again foiled by nearly 18 million Hillary voters and supporters who refuse to be brainwashed by the daily dose of propaganda. Amid cheers of “Yes, we can have an experienced President!!” and “Yes, we can see right through you!!”, the multitude of proud pro-Hillary patriots pressed past the MSM’s portrait of marginalization on their march toward the convention in Denver.
As all signs, counts, polls and other fancy math indicate, this race ain’t over yet. Spin doctors can disguise but cannot destroy that one basic truth.
Yeah, I saw that article this morning and it TOTALLY pissed me off. It is too soon to be writing Clinton’s obituary. I actually went to the AP website to see if there was a place I could easily send some feedback and, seeing as they only had one inbox, figured an email would fall on deaf ears.
I am continually stunned at the biased reporting coming out of AP this election.
Remember the Press has been killing Hillary for years and every time they do she comes back. I play role playing games like Final Fantasy and on those games there is a Mythical creature called the Phoenix which is a bird that comes back to life from the ashes that is what Hillary reminds me of. I know this every time they kill her off she comes back and TOTALLY DESTROYS her enemies.
This is such an excellent diary.
Ever since I read the Bowers “New Plutocrat” Manifesto, I have been absolutely convinced that voting for Obama would be voting for illegitimacy and AGAINST the FDR-New Deal principles in which I believe so very, very strongly.
I have created a petition that has 225 signatures already. I am sending it to Howard Dean at the DNC tonight. It makes the point that Obama would be an illegitimate nominee because he has ruined the Democratic Party with his race-baiting, sexism, and cynical manipulation of the flawed nomination process. Because he is illegitimate, he also will not win. The only way we can have a true Democrat in the White House in January of 2009 is to make Hillary Clinton our nominee.
If you feel the same way, please add your name to the petition. We need to make our voices heard. There’s still time for HRC to save the Democratic Party from its idiotic and plutocratic leaders.
For those who would like a short audio on the caucus and delegate inequities, listen to this Windows Media Player….Warning: language…….
http://www.bartcop.com/141-bombshell-sample.m3u
Many of us believe that the best way to fight for working Americans — regardless of color — is to make sure this movement is defeated
Could not agree with this staement more.
Bud, this is great. You are so right and les cronies?
I figured it out today. Yippies in suits. Empty suits. I have info at my place but here is the telling link:
http://pdf2008.confabb.com/conferences/60420-personal-democracy-forum-2008
and then this…O has many lil web helpers, doesn’t he?
and Dean?
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001803.php
he and “Lessig” check this out: http://www.change-congress.org
I hope you don’t mind if I cross post this? Dorothea Lange perfect, especially when it comes to the homeless prob we face. You and I had same thoughts today…
Great article. Hillary should run as an Indendent!!
I agree!
We are being invited/challenged to start a third party. Remember Donna Brazile a few Sundays ago.
If they don’t need us why do they need Hillary? To demonstrate their power and put all women in their place? So that she can continue exhausting her self campaigning while the bored Barry slow walks his contribution to getting himself elected.
The irony of ironies: most AAs are either working class, working poor, or generationally poor. Our elite class is still the minority.
As I said before, when AAs wake up, it’s going to get ugly.
In response to “Comment by AnninCa | 2008-05-27 12:45:57″ referencing the article from TalkLeft article posted by Lynn | 2008-05-27 12:36:36 :
Ann,
I understand that that is long and fatiguing read, but really, this is the kind of in depth analysis that is going to be needed, especially after Obama is defeated and the post-partum depression of his machination sets in and begins to blame “all us Hillary supporters.” I have a B.A. in PoliSci and a law degree. While in law school, I took ‘Race, Racism and American Law’. Our only grade was for a paper/thesis. I did mine on the 2000 Florida debacle. Granted, this material on our current situation and that cluster… was tedious, it was also unbelievably eye-opening. Sooo much HASN’T changed that it is incredibly sad. But we, as in those like you and me who care that this is a disaster happening before our very eyes, have to avail ourselves of as much data as we can. That’s our avenue for changing things.
BTW, I appreciate your take from the West Coast. I’m in Georgia. It’s either Obama or McCain over here.
Great article Bud!
TM just did a “what if” post to which I commented I would go for McCain.
Reading your post made me feel so much better about it.
The Obama wing of the party represents exactly what I don’t like about it.
I just got an email reply from an SD saying she “feels sorry for me.”
I replied:
Defeat BO!
obama will not win the white house. his movement will be defeated. poor and working class folks have built in shit-o-meters. we love Hillary,and smell the obamacan lie. he will not have our vote. if not Hillary, Johnny McCain will have it.
Hillary must stay in the race, no matter the unknown outcome. very important.
the peaceful revolution is not being televised folks, but in a thoughtful and quiet way, it is afoot. it will speak it’s voice loudly and clearly in the voting booth come november.
dem “leadership” , take heed. the chickens are coming home to roost.
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Not only are some of these Obama worshippers libertarian, but they are liberTINE. They’re all about sexual license, and they want conservative Christians, Jews, and Moslems out of the way so that they can institute same-sex marriage and God knows what else. Look at any exit poll of the numbers of “other” or “no religion” who voted for Obama. The agnostic/atheistic media isn’t concerned with Rev. Wright and Fr. Pfleger because they figure Obama only used them on his road to the nomination. But they can’t quit squawking about Rev. Hagee, can they? This bunch found themselves a smooth-talking, nice-looking young black man who could lure youth and blacks. And, if he did win the WH, it definitely would NOT take black folk long to find out what a bill of goods they were sold! But, he won’t win, thank Heaven, because the very people who have been driven from the Dem Party will see to it!
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