Barack Obama Family Military Lies [UPDATES]
By Larry Johnson on May 28, 2008 at 3:24 PM in Current Affairs
Which is it Barack? Are you a moron or a liar? Or both? On Monday you claimed your Uncle (not further identified) help liberate Auschwitz. Since it was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz, that left people wondering who your communist uncle was? So your campaign scrambled to get out the word–No, he meant his great uncle and he meant Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz. There, that settled it.
So I have one question–how in the hell did your uncle get to Buchenwald. Was he in a row boat? Looks like Great Uncle Charlie was in the Navy. Service records for Charles Payne show
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
UPDATE 3 Here’s what we know for sure:
1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.
2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.
3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.
4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.
4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.
Still working to get final confirmation. (Is it asking for too much to get a straight, accurate answer from the Obama campaign? I guess so.)
UPDATED: Looks like initial reports on the History Channel blog are wrong on this point. Charles W. Payne was not Barack’s Uncle Charlie:
UPDATE II: Well, the initial claim that Charles T. Payne was in the Army may not be true appears to be more bullshit. An Obama supporter is claiming that there is a Charles T. Payne who was in the Army. First problem, a review of records for Kansas shows no such person. Second, this unit was not part of any liberation of Buchenwald. Records indicate:
“Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf.”
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
This should not be so complicated. Obama’s campaign simply needs to come clean. What was your Great Uncle’s name? When was he born and when did he die? Let’s start there.
So here we have Barack apparently inventing more bullshit family history. Charles T. Payne’s unit did not liberate Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was a work camp–not a pleasant place–but not a death camp. You know what Barack, I suspect you did not have a family member anywhere near a Nazi death camp. I believe you are making this up. Rather than tell the truth straight up you embellish. Why do I think this? Because you have a record of inventing false history. How about this?
Over at Talk Left we learn that you can’t even tell the truth about your Gramps:
In West Virginia a few weeks ago, Obama said his grandfather enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, which was December, 1941. [Charleston Gazette (West Virginia) April 8, 2008, Tuesday, available on Lexis.com]
“My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.”
Here is the WWII Kansas Veterans Index. His grandfather, Stanley A. Dunham, enlisted in the Army on June 18 1942, six months after Pearl Harbor. [Hat tip Baldilocks.)
We could start down the list of other falsehoods–e.g., your mom and dad met in Selma during a March. You keep doing this. Why?
Barack, how can someone who is supposedly so smart, can be so wrong about family history. These are not mistakes about inconsequential details. What else are you lying about?
I am disgusted. What a shallow, pandering liar.
This is as bad as when St. Reagan lied about his fictional war record…LOL
HOW STUPID DOES OBAMA THE FASCIST THINK WE ARE….SHEESH !
Can someone send this to Greta at Fox. My computer is glitching.
I think he is lying about being biracial. I think he has not enough black blood to be a legal “black” person. I think he is more white than anything. I also think he has about 43% Arab blood. After 9/11 Arab is not such a popular shade to be. Especially if it is hidden. The Muslim Brotherhood vowed to destroy the USA from within. What better than to take over the White House.
One eighth AA used to meet standard on many, many Federal programs back in the 70’s and the early days of Affirmative Action. I seem to remember this as being the same as Native American heritage, but I wouldn’t bet the rent money on it.
tzada, i think you’re probably being an ass on purpose.
>>> What better than to take over the White House.
A little faster than buying up all the convenience stores and selling bogus Calling Cards, but not as cheap.
(insert middle finger here)
boy every day its something else.
When you’re a puppet, all you have to do is open your mouth and let your puppeteers insert the words.
Hey - we all know that words matter! As long as they’re not the ones coming out of BO’s mouth.
Thanks, Larry!
And where is CNN or MSNBC on this? Oh, that’s right, they’re too busy kissing Sweetie’s ass to notice
that he’s continuously lying what he’s saying.Come on Fox, you don’t mind digging up this stuff!
We need Sean Hannlity on Fox. He wants to bring Obama down so bad. He’s the one who brought us the Jerimiah Wright story.
BUT BUT BUT
Hillary cited history
she’s horrible
whatever….I’m not voting
Nice to know that I spent so much of my youth in shithole places, murdering complete strangers with whom I personally had no quarrel, for you to have the privilege of the Franchise, yet you wish to petulantly squander same.
GET off your ass on election day, GO to the fucking polls, and WRITE IN PORKY GODDAMNED PIG or GEORGE Fucking CLINTON if you don’t care for the offering.
But go VOTE on election day!
While you still have the Right to.
Ever here of this wonderful language concept called sarcasm?
But I do agree that voting is not just a privilege or a right. It is our duty and obligation.
Sorry. My sense of irony has been attenuated since they cut my Thorazine back…
Fred: I agree have to go vote (and do whatever there; but go).
I agree with you everyone should vote. I think its my civic duty to vote and I am 44 years old. I have voted every year of my life since I turned 18.
Well Done Larry….
MENDACEM MEMOREM ESSE OPORTET
( Liars should have good memories )
No they don’t because there are so many versions that they trip themselves up…case in point, Barry Obama, mr. my mom was on food stamps and I grew up ‘po. Whatever, you liar.
It was Bill Clinton who grew up poor. I knew he was lying anyway because he is way to WEAK to be poor he’s a middle class punk. HaHa when some stupid man from the hood has the balls enough to call Hillary a bitch to my face. I turn to them and say hes a punk ass bitch. He is the girl shes the woman. They are mad as hell but they shut the hell up. You see I am like my girl I dont shut up I dont quit and I am as tough as anyone and I am proud of that.
Yes, it was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz, but to see the redbaiting that goes on here, one would htink that you people would defend the good Germans against the Red hordes.
WTF IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN tootsky….Obama is a liar and a stupid on at that !…..Here I’ll give you a stuffed Armadillo to worship as it has more authenticity then Obama the Fascist…
Hey Workingclass artist, can I use some of these tubes of oil over on your easel on tootsky?
I want to paint ‘em red and use ‘em for bait! A red commie Troll…Now watch ‘em
Red hordes. Hordes? you people?
Is BO a comunist? Is that what tootsky is sayin?
Tootsky is saying that Barry’s “great uncle” was Uncle Joe.
Or perhaps Tootsky means that Barry’s grandfather’s communist party member friend (and Barry’s mentor) had talked to Soviet agents who had been part of the Red Army that “liberated” Auschwitz and told Barry the story between
programingtutoring sessions.Is that what’cha mean, Tootsky?
Sometimes I use live bait for Reds (menhaden work well at middle depths) and sometime artificial lures work well in the shallows, just after spawning season.
The REAL craftsmanship is in the preparation, though. I’m fond of Blackened or simple over-spicing with Cajun mixed spices and herbs.
HEY! THERE’s an ethnic group SEN Hope-a-Dope hasn’t insulted yet: CAJUNS!
Do you think we can get him to say, “coonass,” in the wrong tome of voice?
My dad used live bait, too, he said it was the best when catching Reds…
Somethings never change…
Freddy, you’re making me hungry again for crustaceans and other creatures of the deep. Yum.
So you’re happy to have another liar in the White House, is that your point?
htink? Maybe that’s what Obama’s problem is… he’s been trying to htink again.
This site is almost as good for workday boredom as tetris.
All I can say is that you people are the ones being bamboozled, typos aside. My point is that yes, Obama made a mistake, who knows, maybe he did lie? - But that isn’t the point - the point is that considering the redbaiting that is engaged in here, if you all were alive at that time you’d be supporting Lindbergh and Father Coughlin.
Thank you once again for furthering our resolve to make sure either Hillary or McCain is elected president.
NObama! No way! No how!
Effexor or wellbutrin?
Apparently you think its OK to discriminate against the mentally ill to make a point.
They can take my Wellbutrin away when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
1)My point is that yes,
2)the point is that
Who are you Fritz the Cat on his way home from NYU?
So, he’s a liar but we’re the problem … is that your point?
Yeah Beebop you’ve got some unmitigated gall not wanting to vote for a pathological liar. I say you and all the rest of you suckers who’d like a president to exhibit an iota of integrity and truthfulness better get with the program.
Please, roosky, i mean tootsky, please give an example of “Red Baiting”? And then, disprove it’s legitimacy.
the violence of obama supporters really concerns me. in fact, many of them behave as if they are members of the spanish inquisition.
we have reason to be scared, very scared, of obamabots and the thugs they attract.
Well, I wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition.
Let them make all threats they want. I’m even worse than a small town girl. I grew on a farm. We sleep with a gun next to the bed.
Did you ever think of oh, doing your job instead of playing games? What a concept.
What red baiting?
This website regularly bashes Obama for his links to the Left, including communists (like the ones who liberated Auschwitz). As a communist myself, I only wish he was as radical as you people portray him.
There you go again with that broad brush of yours. Did you check your bucket I think you are out of paint.
Jesus, at least Gus Hall wasn’t a friggin’ Idiot!
Poor Tootsky: he must be so lonely!
Anyway, I used to flirt with Bakunin and other anarchists, but the Commies lost me at Stalin.
At least Bakunin was interesting. “On the first day of a Revolution, he is a gem. n the Second day, he should be shot.” V.I. Lenin
As a communist yourself, I just bet you support him don’t you?
Isn’t that cute! Tootsky Trotsky…how wee!
And I thought he was a cross dresser.
Wait,that’s Tootsie.
Oh well, Obama is a lying sack of shit who uses the Holocaust as a back drop for his fairy tales.
Damn is this the 70s lol look that fool is an Obamabot troll who has no thoughts other then the one his king allows him to have and that unfortunity is not much since the only two words Obama knows is Hope and Change
Well, considering that most Americans are opposed to communinism, I think we are in the majority leaving you … rather … the odd man …. out.
As a communist, you’re a simple minded bore.
Where is the glamour anyway?
It’s authoritarianism, in the end.
Professor Diamond sums it up nicely, it has nothing to do with political ideology, everything to do with power over others.
But still, you’re a bore.
LOL! Now Obama’s communist fan club comes forward to defend him?
That’s funny.
I’m not a fan of centrists like Clinton or Obama and I concede that I’m in the minority. I fight reactionary thugs out of boredom - for the sake of fighting people like you, call em an Obama supporter. You’d actually allow Mccain to be president and/or you people are so deluded as to believing your own bullshit.
Communists helped Martin Luther King too, as did anti-communists
Finally, the name tootsky is after the product that Larry’s favorite clients sell.
Yawn.
No, you dig cheeto’s out of you belly button because you are bored. You fight “reactionary thugs” because, either you are afraid to leave the basement or you ran out of tin foil.
Boats and planes leave daily to China! Lootsky, is that communistic enough for you. Write when you make money.
Actually, China is now Communist in name only, but I also wouldn’t mind if Tootsky emigrated.
The authoritarian state capitalism of modern China is more like fascism than communism, although both of those systems suck like the surface gravity of a neutron star.
He/she can say or believe in what he/she wishes. However, I’d as soon not share a Continent with him/her.
To be fair, though, I feel exactly the same way about Giuliani and Barbara Bush, as well.
We can see by the former Soviet Union how well communism worked out.
Yeah, Marxian dogma thrives mostly in American universities among faculty who have never broken a sweat, made a payroll, pounded a nail, driven a truck, painted a sign, paid out a hawser, wired a house, debugged another idiot’s EXCEL spreadsheets, heard small arms fire directed at them, planted a crop or had to run a steel snake down a sewer line full of shit for a living.
Usually this means Social Sciences types, which is a euphemism for, “Those who couldn’t pass Calculus and/or Language requirement.”
MF’ers really know how the world works, though, don’t they?
And I am REALLY sick of these people farting to windward of me!
LOL; I loved it !!
BWWAAAHAAA!!
LOL!
thank you :0)
What Left are you talking about?. They are proud of the fact the well to do,educated and privilged are the ones who are pushing him down our throats. They dismiss the working class and the poor and openly insult them. Not to mention how much money this guy is rolling on. Please when you talk get the facts straight at least the basic information about left and right.
Infrikkincredible.
And admitted communist comes on the website supporting Obama.
Does he actually think he helps Obama by implying the communists support him?
Can’t we get better trolls?
Democrats have never been elected without the support of the CPUSA.
That’s like saying that Republicans have never been elected without the support of the Klan.
Maybe she meant race-baiting?
Huh? Are you retarded?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/5/201426/5656 Here’s a link to the old revelation about his parents and Selma — remember his claim that his parents conceived him (in 1961) in reaction to Selma (which was in 1965)?
Start putting all this together. We know he talks to dead people. His ancestors were able to travel though space and time warps. Maybe he’s an alien time traveler?
the problem with the alien theory is that Obama’s lack of intelligence goes against it. Aliens would have to have at least rudimentary abilities in navigation to end up here. Obama seems to have no sense of simple geography. Why would aliens drag such dead weight along with them? Of course, maybe they were headed to another solar system altogether and somebody let Barak co-pilot.
“Oh shit, who let Barak set the course?”
“Where the hell are we?”
brilliant!
Maybe he’s an accidental tourist of the alien variety.
Lest we forget Obama’s claim that his father was part of the Kennedy family’s educational program for Kenyans — that, too, was a lie.
I’m sure all of these little stories are great when he’s writing that big book o’ fiction, but to be president you have be honest. (well, in a perfect world!)
Ha ha that is toooo funny. Maybe they had a prediction that there was going to be a Selma.
Look, Larry, does it really surprise you? Barack’s “autobiography” was a work of fiction.
This is his expertise.
I agree.
Both of his books are bullshit, contrived “composite” characters.
I think Obama has been re-inventing himself for so long he’s forgotten the versions he tells to different people.
I know exactly why his eyes are brown.
You listening , Axelrod?
I think Lou Dobbs would want this information and would probably use it.
Yesterday, Dobbs called the Baby Plastic Jesus a duplicitous, pandering jerk.
already done
Where did Dunham serve? Did he actually see combat? I don’t mean anything against the poor Typical White Man, just wonder if we know how deep BO’s lie goes.
Obama is disgusting. I’m disgusted. And the MSM is playing the role of a propaganda mouth piece rather than agents of investigative reporting.
Thanks for doing their job, Larry.
According to barkys book he trampled through the muddy fields of France and didn’t see any action.
I lost an uncle I never got to meet in that war. Obama just plain makes me puke.
Uppity, I can’t remember the name of the miliary fellow who backs Obama, but after Clinton’s embellished story of Bosnia, he said she wasn’t fit to put a wreath on the Unknown Soldier’s tomb.
What is Obama fit for?
Good point.
To be GONE FROM POLITICS PERIOD Hes so sickening I cannot believe this man is this Retarded.
Maj. Gen. Walter Stewart
mcpeak, ugh
It is always best to research your family tree and verify their names before you try to exploit them for political gain. Maybe get to know him, and get some actual true anecdotes straight from the uncle’s mouth.
If the old man is still alive, as Obama claims, someone needs to hunt him up and interview him. I’ll bet he’s never met his (great?) nephew.
This is what he said in his speec at the 2004 convention. So he’s been telling that lie about his father enlisting to great effect for more than four years. The man is a disgrace to anyone in a uniform and he should be called out. An apology is required. None of this half way nonsense. Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor, my grandfather signed up for duty, joined Patton’s army, marched across Europe. Back home my grandmother raised a baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the GI Bill, bought a house through FHA and later moved west, all the way to Hawaii, in search of opportunity.
Are we sure there were any bomber assemblies in Kansas?
Yes, Wichita is home of a Boeing aircraft plant.
His grandparents lived in Kansas City … if she’s raising a baby alone, why would she move to Wichita? — of course, we have to assume that that part of the story is correct …. God, he’s a huge mess.
Well, yes and no. Not to defend Obama because I don’t like him and don’t plan to vote for him, but because I think facts need to be straight as far as known. Keeping the facts straight gives you credibility.
According to wikipedia, the grandparents lived most of their lives in the Wichita area until his grandfather apparently enlisted and was sent halfway across the state to Fort Leavenworth which is near K.C. After that they started moving to other states.
I think the Charles Payne story is incorrect. I just don’t know whether Obama lied (highly probable) or whether someone in his family sort of dressed things up as sometimes happens.
I looked and couldn’t find anything that matched in the databases I looked at either. That said, we need to be careful that it doesn’t start to look like we’re going after an old man at the end of his life.
The part about the aircraft assembly plant in Kansas is true. My mother is from Kansas and worked on the assembly line — as did her older sisters. She grew up in a small town in Kansas — you know on the the “white trash*” from Kansas.
In fact my mother’s life pretty much parallels Obama’s grandmother’s life. Except that my mother was a “white trash” farm girl, who went to college, married and followed my career military father from Navy base to Navy base. My mother may have even met Obama’s grandmother in the course of banking at the bank where Obama’s grandmother became a VP. Kansas people find each other — and my mother never lost her Kansas accent.
* Obama’s words = “white trash farm boys