Media Bamboozled from Iraq to Barack [Updated with Joe Wilson Video]
By Larry Johnson on May 28, 2008 at 3:21 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Iraq, Media, Media Bias, Obamedia
Talk about deja vu. Today we are hearing “stunning” revelations from President Bush’s former press secretary, who admits the Administration was manipulating news to build a false case for going to war with Iraq. Excuse me if those of us who have been saying this for five years don’t care a whit about the so-called revelations from Scott McClellan. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the media to line up and do a mea culpa. The Washington Post, devoid of any keen sense of irony, NOW informs us that:
the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated “political propaganda campaign” led by President Bush and aimed at “manipulating sources of public opinion” and “downplaying the major reason for going to war. . . .
But in a chapter titled “Selling the War,” he alleges that the administration repeatedly shaded the truth and that Bush “managed the crisis in a way that almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option.”
“Over that summer of 2002,” he writes, “top Bush aides had outlined a strategy for carefully orchestrating the coming campaign to aggressively sell the war. . . . In the permanent campaign era, it was all about manipulating sources of public opinion to the president’s advantage.”
McClellan, once a staunch defender of the war from the podium, comes to a stark conclusion, writing, “What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary.”
That, boys and girls, is what I call no shit analysis. I was warning about this in May of 2003 (and Joe Wilson was doing so in 2002).
Here is what I told National Public Radio in May of 2003 (REAL AUDIO LINK || WINDOWS MEDIA LINK) :
UPDATE: V. has created a YouTube of the audio. It is immediately below.
MICHELE NORRIS, host:
As the search for weapons of mass destruction continues, a growing number of intelligence officials are stepping forward to express concerns that the Bush administration deliberately manipulated data to build support for the war. That concern has reached the point that a group has formed calling themselves Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. According to today’s New York Times, they’ve taken the extraordinary step of writing to President Bush, protesting what they call ‘a policy and intelligence fiasco of monumental proportions.’ Larry Johnson is a former CIA and State Department intelligence analyst. He believes there’s no question that intelligence was misused.
Mr. LARRY JOHNSON (Former CIA and State Department Intelligence Analyst): There are a lot of people who are still active duty inside the agency who are just completely distraught with what they view as a cooking of the books, the real genuine politicization of the intelligence that I don’t think we’ve seen since the efforts during the Contra war to try to shape some of the intelligence.
NORRIS: So was this a case where data was misinterpreted by those within the administration or were officials putting pressure on those within the intelligence community to–and I want to be careful about using the word ‘exaggerate’…
Mr. JOHNSON: Yes.
NORRIS: …so to amplify their findings in some way to turn the temperature up?
Mr. JOHNSON: It was both. They started out with an idea of what they wanted to believe. They wanted to believe that Iraq posed a threat to the United States, they wanted to believe that Iraq was backing al-Qaeda and began looking for intelligence, pieces that would fit within that picture. That’s different from combing through the information and seeing what picture comes together by looking at the whole picture.
But the other part that was taking place was the analysts at CIA, I am told, did not believe that Iraq posed a threat, particularly with weapons of mass destruction, to the United States. And I am told that their attempt to put that line of analysis out was thwarted and, in fact, that the line of analysis backed by the Department of Defense Office of Special Plans went forward without a dissent. And these are the people charged with telling the president what’s going on, and any president is not in a position to comb through all these volumes of information. You have to rely upon people to give you the truth. And it would appear in this case that President Bush is being misled deliberately.
NORRIS: But intelligence, by its very nature, is secret, it’s covert and it’s…
Mr. JOHNSON: Sure…
NORRIS: …quite possible that there’s intelligence out there that we–and that would include you, since you are a former intelligence officer–have not been privy to; that since these weapons of mass destruction have not been found, we don’t know that the White House actually manipulated this data.
Mr. JOHNSON: One thing I learned in my first week on the job at CIA starting back in 1985, when we were presented with information that was considered very highly classified, top-secret information, must protect at all costs–and I was reading it within the next day or two in The New York Times and The Washington Post. Bush administration officials would have been running to the press if they had had the proof. The one thing we did not see going into the start of this war that I’ve seen in previous situations where we had clear intelligence of misdeeds by other governments or terrorist organizations, we would put together briefing teams, go overseas, brief foreign governments who were even opposed to our position and, by showing them the actual evidence, could sway them. What did not happen in this case is that case to other governments was not made, and the reason it wasn’t made is because the evidence did not exist.
NORRIS: What the administration might say also is that because of the way they operate, where much of the power is centralized, very close to the Oval Office, that some of these sour grapes may be coming from individuals who feel like they were cut out of the inner circle, that they’re not being listened to.
Mr. JOHNSON: No. In fact, some of the people I know are not–they are not directly in the process of having their views represented or misrepresented, but they are in a position to know what the positions are, to know what the intelligence is and to have a look at it. Look, I voted Republican. I’ll lay my political credentials on the table. I find this outrageous, and I think it is incumbent upon the US Congress to do something about it. I think it’s incumbent upon President Bush to do something about it, because these individuals that have been operating out of the Office of Special Plans at the Department of Defense, I think, represent a clear and present danger to the United States.
NORRIS: Larry Johnson, thank you very much for speaking with us.
Mr. JOHNSON: Thanks, Michele.
NORRIS: Larry Johnson is a former CIA and State Department intelligence analyst.
So here we are in 2008. We are not talking about Iraq, we are talking Obama. We are talking about a fatally flawed candidate for the Democratic nomination. We are talking about the problems with Barack Obama that will become painfully evident once the media decides to do its goddamn job. I am not letting this one go without a fight. The stakes are too high to allow an incompetent like Barack in the White House. But the media, once again, is playing the role of the enabler. Tends to make me cranky.
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Thanks, Larry!
You are our hero…….the wind beneath our wings (both the left and the right!)!!!!!!
Ah..back when Larry Johnson was actually a serious human being.
Did Larry have real hair back then, or was he sporting the toupee then as well?
If you wanted to be treated as relevent you must bring relevence. As you don’t, we read you as the sophomoric mind you possess and with the simplistic reasoning you display … loser.
You should consider being respectful of the blog owner.
Larry welcomes criticism but yours is not backed by anything of substance.
Back when you agreed with Larry he was a serious human being. Now that he no longer agrees with you cast him aside. The same skills that lead Larry to feel the war was unjustified are the same skills he is using to determine Obama is no good for America. Larry has not changed at all yet you have.
Since Larry was one of the few brave souls to stand up to Bush I would think you would seriously wonder why his opinion is so drastically different than yours now.
I’m happy to disagree with Larry Johnson, and at first considered his critiques of Obama to be informative and challenging. When he went from critic to McCarthyite and from McCarthyite to scumbag who uses the same tactics he rightfully decries in Bush’s pals, when he used to be intelligent on foreign policy but now throws that intelligence out the window in favor of the candidate who wants to obliterate Iran, when he plays divisive games and manipulates helpless insecure folks who populate this blog, when he plays on fears etc. – well he is a has been, a joke.
In your rush to justify your first statement you are taking Senator Clinton unfairly out of context.
She was replying to a question of what would she do if Iran nuked Israel. Did you expect her to have tea with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Obama only complained about her language and did not find it helpful. Your leader never said she “wants to obliterate Iran.”
I am far from helpless and insecure and don’t see Larry playing on any fears at all. He is a true patriot and fighting for his country and what he believes in. A lot of people including myself agree with him that Obama would be a disaster as a president. I came to this conclusion a very long time before finding this blog. What I have found here is the hub of the resistance movement to being assimilated into your OBorg.
All you have done is further our resolve to make sure it is either Hillary or McCain. So as much as I regret taking the time to reply to you I do thank you for furthering my resolve.
What as Larry said that is untrue in regard to Obama?
Same thing as Bush in terms of corruption, and an apocryphal press, Obama is a part of the IL combine, as corrupt as they come.
Are you this gullible?
You can’t say you agree in terms of Bush, and then say you don’t in the case of Obama, that is simply sophistry, or willful denial.
At the very least, it has been established Obama is corrupt, in conjunction with middle eastern players, and the IL combine.
READ Evelyn Pringle’s series, Operation Board Games.
Unless you’re waiting for Patrick Fitzgerlad to give his blessing.
Ohhhhhhh MAN! That is the Joe Wilson I remember and love!!
You can’t argue with a word he said.
And FUNNY!
It’s amazing any Obamabot would even try.
You have a WAVE behind you and it’s pretty tough and it’s pretty large!
THIS time you have mui help!
THANK YOU LARRY for being our lighthouse!
Well they will be pleased to know that the Democrats have found their weapons of mass destruction. We call them Barack and Michelle Obama.
LOL! I am loving it. WMD – Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle Obama, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Odinga, Axelrod, Olbermann. . .
Good one!!!
WMD=Mr&MrsObama
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You guys are doing a great job.
Really.
A great job.
Now get out of here.
Great.
Great great job.
Really.
No, really.
History unexamined is doomed to repeat itself. With the media “soup du jour” approach to stories, we face a lot of potential doom. Thank you for your tenacity.
The Iraq war build up was the lowest point of American journalism in a least the last 50 years, if not ever.
Now the same players have failed miserably in examining Barack Obama. People know nothing about him! If it weren’t for Sean Hannity, a political opinionator, we wouldn’t even know about Obama’s religious participation.
Btw, I think the press was and is fully informed in choosing to cooperate with these illegal efforts (the war, and Obama, maybe even Gore).
And I think fear of discovery drives the behavior of certain would be “journalists.”
If they’re exposed as shilling for a war they knew was false, they’re afraid they’ll go to jail, or be ruined.
As if they had any credibility to lose, anyway.
It’s already started. Check out Hardball tonight.
Matthew’s is claiming the media did do there job. Stating that they “THE MEDIA” were manipulated. David Brooks sort of called him on it.
Don’t forget that it was the media who hated Clinton and Gore and were willing to repeat Republican lies about both of them, while ignoring Bush’s terrible flaws. They sold Bush to the public so they are largely responsible for him getting elected in the first place. That alone should tell people that their judgment about who is a good choice for president cannot be trusted.
Desert Storm was just as bad.
We’ve actually had entirely substandard reporting for some time, Pres. Eisenhower tried to warn us….
GREAT POST LARRY.
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA EX ESTO
( LET THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE BE THE EXTREME LAW )
The media is trying to pick our candidate. We should all be very scared.
Thanks for that flashback into the intelligence/medi clusterfuck of 2003. Of course this is the same disinformation and propoganda push that our new conglomerate media is so fond of.
As I just posted on another thread, I will not forget that the media is first and foremost a tool of the GOP. There is a reason why Roger Ailes moved into TV, and we saw what happened when the head of CNN went to the GOP and asked how they could be more responsive to them and their positions. Judith Miller and the “aspen trees” comes to mind.
I do believe that there is a combination of factors at work in the media in regard to pushing Obama.
1) There are truly some journalists lovestruck with the idea of Obama. But I think it’s a smaller number than people realize.
2) Corporate media needs to sell ads. They go where they think the public/pop culture is going. It’s called “Pepsi money”, and it’s the reason you can’t find a decent food or decorating show on TV anymore without a 20-something supermodel posing as an expert.
3) The Republicans are still controlling the media. It’s happened in 2000, happened in 2004. They will always champion the weakest candidate on the Dem side in the primaries, and help to knock out the real contenders. It happened with Kerry and Edwards. Edwards had the right down-home appeal to take on Bush, but was ridiculed by the media for very superficial things. Once the primary was over, then Kerry was ridiculed in the same way. Gore was ridiculed by the media in the same way, and painted as something so far from what he truly is. Now it’s Hillary’s turn. the republican controlled media has pushed Obama because McCain will have him for lunch in the GE.
There is a reason why Al Gore and Bill Clinton have both spoken out against the centralized, corporate, controlled media trend that started when Bush took office. We have a mediacracy, not a democracy.
As far as the cooked intelligence and the war, I’m afraid that is why I’d have a really really hard time voting for McCain. The whole lot of them are so fucking corrupt, and I cannot get the picture of McCain kissing Bush, out of my mind. It’s been said that McCain despises Bush with a passion, which means he has been glomming onto him for one reason only. To get elected.
So what exactly does a person do when faced with this? Other than keep fighting for Hillary? I do find it so weird that she has this cadre of heavy duty military brass behind her, and the media is totally silent about that. Oh.. wait.. I need to reread my own comment above.
thanks for your observations. quite a mess eh?
We’ll make it through, our candidate isn’t done yet.
At that time there were not a lot of people who were willing to stand against the tide. Larry was one.
The import of Scott’s book, in my mind is the accusation that the press failed to go after the truth. By their own somewhat dubious standards of being fair and balanced, and considering all sides, they failed their first amendment responsibilities.
How many times did they quote Joe Wilson, Brent Scowcroft, Tony Zinni, Zbig Brzezinski, Chas Freeman, Ned Walker, Wes Clark or others? How bout Ken Adelman, Richard Perle, Jim Woolsey, Cliff May, Bill Kristol, Frank Gaffney.
And after you have run the numbers, ask yourselve how much experience the latter neocons actually have in national security matters, relative to the former. Bill Kristol was asked in a debate in Midland,TX, “How much time have you spent in the region (Middle East, Gulf) to which he replied “I’ve always believed that experience on the ground is highly overrated.” That says it all. Joe Wilson
Thanks for your comment, Mr.Wilson.
The McClellan book offers insight to the White House knowingly helping break the law to corroborate testimony between witnesses.
How close to the OVP and President were there discussions?
Rove had no original clearance, his denial is grounds for finding who he learned from.
Fitzgerald is still empowered to prosecute.
This news could threaten Libby’s Commutation?
He was found guilty of intentionally breaking the law in outing an asset, making her career a pattern example to all would be whistle blowers.
He tries to claim poor memory, and a commutation of course applies to illegal activity past conviction.
His press conference, the lawyer spoke, can those words be scrutinized for consistency to what McClellan says Rove knew of?
If these people shared stories, then there are notes, because it was done in the White House. If no notes were taken then the Presidential Records act was broken. The Senior people in attendance should face the rule of law.
Thus his Commutation could see new evidence develop new charges. Charges after conviction would include wrongful statements by his lawyer on Scooter’s behalf(oh boy, there’s a wide stretch of discussion in its own right).
Accountability, we’re a nation of laws.
political propaganda campaign
and who was the mouth piece for all this earwax?
The idea of the MSM being a “self policing” entity and not beholden to the Public is painful.
I fully understand why it would make one “cranky”.
We know the moon is made from cheese, because Scotty was up at the poduim repeating what he knew to bold face lies. What did he do? Stated the obvious. Loyalty be damned. How much of the book was redacted? Like Valerie Wilson’s book?
Naw…not likely.
So I guess there will be on less rocking chair on Bushes porch for Scotty…eh Mr. Johnson?
So Scotty, a day late and a dollar. No kidding, He lied to us. I’m shocked I tell you.
that should be a dollar short.
signed, the world’s worse typist.
I think it’s amusing how they pull out the usual song and dance to discredit Scott, in full ye old Cheney PR management mode.
Nobody cares, everyone KNOWS the war is a load of shit, and everyone knows they couldn’t pull it off.
Too bad.
Really, like the Japanese soldier on Gilligan’s island, the war is over for Bush and Cheney, someone should tell them.
Someone else will have to clean the mess up, and rescue the idiots.
Both republican, and democratic.
Again.
Yes, when is Tim Russert going to apologize for his hand in promoting this war? Week after week he allowed, Cheney, Rice et all to come on his show and use it to spread to propoganda that “little scottie” is talking about. He (tim russert) kept asking Hillary when she was goin to apologize for her war vote…WHEN IS HE GOING APOLOGIZE. Wake up people, now he in his little band of OBAMABOTS at MSNBC at doing the same thing with the election. Enough is enough – we need to call them out at evey opportunity. great post.
Same with the New York Times, and Judith Miller.
Thankfully — Judith Miller did some jail time. Not for this reason — but it was so sweet that at least someone did some time!
The new reality is so simple. Hillary started the war. Braveheart Obama opposed it with all his might. Count him among those who spoke against the war at great cost to their careers. He wrote op-eds, gave speeches, attended rallies…He was a pillar of strength to us all. /sarcasm
They won’t. They will all run for cover. It’s all
ready started.
GOT THIS FRON HILLARYCLINTONFORUM.COM
FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED
Email DNC for Florida and Michigan
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Email and call!
As you know, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meets this Saturday in Washington, DC. If you feel that the Florida and Michigan voters should be given a voice in this election process, please e-mail the Committee before Saturday.
Also, attached is an Excel Spreadsheet with addresses for the Uncommitted SuperDelegates. Puerto Rico’s Primary is Sunday, June 1; the last two Primaries are on Tuesday June 3. At that time, there could be a massive SuperDelegate commitment and we want it to be for Hillary.
RULES AND BY LAWS COMMITTEE MEMBERS
Donna
Brazile
DC
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(202) 628-8081
Mark
Brewer
MI
mbrewer@mi-democrats.com
(517) 371-5410
Martha Fuller
Clark
NH
martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us
(603) 271-6933
Ralph
Dawson
NY
rcdawson@fulbright.com
(212) 318-3337
Hartina
Flournoy
DC
tflourno@aft.org
(202) 393-6334
Donald
Fowler
SC
don@fowlercommunications.com
(803) 799-7550
Carol Khare
Fowler
SC
carol@fowlercommunications.com
(803) 799-7550
Yvonne
Gates
NV
YRG@co.clark.nv.us
(702) 455-0855
Alice
Germond
DC
germonda@dnc.org
(202) 863-7183
Jamie A.
Gonzalez, Jr.
TX
no2855748@gmail.com
(956) 664-0100
Janice
Griffin
VA
griffinassoc1@aol.com
(703) 248-1990
Alexis
Herman
DC
rramirez@alexisherman.com
(202) 833-8800
Alice
Huffman
CA
alicehuffman@sbcglobal.net
(916) 498-1890
Thomas
Hynes
IL
thynes@chapman.com
(312) 845-3272
Harold
Ickes
DC
hickes@ickesenright.com
(202) 887-6726
Ben
Johnson
DC
ben.johnson@porternovelli.com
(202) 973-5899
Elaine
Kamarck
MA
elaine_kamarck@harvard.edu
(617) 495-9002
Allan
Katz
FL
allan.katz@akerman.com
(850) 425-1605
Eric
Kleinfeld
DC
eric@rpum.com
(202) 293 1177
David T.
McDonald
WA
david.mcdonald@klgates.com
(206) 370-7957
Mona
Pasquil
CA
monapasquil@hotmail.com
(916) 567-2945
Mame
Reiley
VA
mame@thereileygroup.com
(703) 370-2891
James
Roosevelt, Jr.
MA
james_roosevelt@tufts-health.com
(617) 972-9564
Garry
Shay
CA
gss1@aol.com
(818) 502-7503
Elizabeth
Smith
DC
lsmith@aft.org
(202) 879-4436
Michael
Steed
DC
msteed@paladincapgroup.com
(202) 595-2960
Sharon
Stroschein
SD
stroschein@nrctv.com
(605) 226-3440
Sarah
Swisher
IA
seiusarah@msn.com
(319) 530-8364
Everett
Ward
NC
eward@dot.state.nc.us
(919) 733-2520
Jerome
Wiley Segovia
VA
jerome@puente-latino.com
(202) 360-3801
Vicki Campbell
Hillary Volunteer
vscampbell@jhu.edu
O/T
FROM HILLFORUM.COM
Already the media is starting to lay the groundwork to blame Hillary for Obama’s certain loss should he be the nominee against McCain…
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The drumbeat has been to get Hillary out of the race before it’s over (it isn’t, especially given the hesitation of superdelegates to embrace the “presumptive nominee” in the face of mounting evidence that he is an extremely weak general election candidate).
In addition, a chorus of voices, now tacitly admitting Obama has no chance in the fall, is claiming Clinton has deliver her (stronger) constituency by campaigning vigorously for Obama should he secure the nomination. As if she does not have a life and job and a family of her own to return to.
This thinking crept into an otherwise thoughtful article appearing on the Washington Post’s website today at http://www.blog.washingtonpost.com/thefi…so_factor.html
Quote:
The Fix chatted with a number of unaligned Democratic strategists about this theory and, to a person, they agreed that Clinton’s best course once she decides to end her bid is to become Obama’s top advocate.
“I think that when Obama is the nominee you will see Clinton campaign vigorously for him because she needs the ‘healing’ coefficient with Democratic insiders who view her as hurting the party more than she needs the ‘I told you so’ coefficient,” said Democratic pollster John Anzalone. “She is already viewed as a bad sport on the playing field, and she has lost supporters and insiders because of it. She needs to repair that and she can do that by being a big booster in the fall.”
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she must transform herself into a fervent Obama advocate — leaving no question that she wants to see the Illinois senator elected president. As Matt Bennett, a former Clinton administration official, put it: “If she reveals that sh
I hope Clinton cripples Obama so bad politically he will have to beg for room and board with Rezko.
Not even Bill or Hillary could get me to vote for bo.
They can force her to cheer lead for him all they want to. She and and everyone else knows he’s not ready or able to serve as CIC.
Larry,
Thank you for another great article and perspective. The more you post, the more obvious it is what a travesty this candidate and those who support him are.
The media must be held accountable for the role it has played.
If the DNC gives Obama his illegitimate nomination….They will side line Clinton as early as they can…They don’t want her or Bill to even be in the room with Barry…the comparison is too stark and works against Barry….
Funny. The comparison really IS too stark. On the one hand you have an honorable public servant upsetting the status quo and single-handedly trying to introduce a promising, albeit frightening for some, new paradigm into our politics. On the other side you have the old-school style of the politics of personal destruction and division courtesy of the masters: the hit-team known as Bill&Hillary Clinton. Frankly after her performance in this race, she’ll be lucky to retain her senate seat.
The idea of the Clintons anywhere near an Obama WH would be corrosive to the whole atmosphere as they would intentionally sabotage his reelection chances one way or the other, and aint ever gonna happen. Time moves on.
No Tony….On one side you have Obama a FASCIST OF LIMITED INTELLIGENCE AND HIS IQ CHALLENGED SUPPORTERS…And on the Other side you have Two Brilliant Public Servants who don’t rely on call centers in GAZA to get votes….
OBAMA THE FASCIST IS HEADED FOR POLITICAL OBLIVION
On one hand you have a weak, inexperienced candidate whose greatest achievement to date is writing two works of fiction and taking a bizarre amount of money which has been wasted to foist him upon the Democratic party where the only people with any history IN the party willing to vote for him are AA’s and uber liberals. Period. To his credit, he has performed the historical feat of dissecting the party and rendering it impotent. All to the benefit of the Republican party — which should have found itself weakened in view of two terms of George W. Bush.
On the other hand, you have an accomplished campaigner who seems to only gain strength from the campaign trail and has inspired women to see the sexism and fight against it where ever they find it. She has drawn attention to a biased and bought and sold media. She has a platform that includes everyone in it and doesn’t disenfranchise voters. If this is “old fashioned,” and if the new world is gaming caucus votes and stuffing ballot boxes, you better watch out, junior, cause you time will come.
Really, running the US is so easy, even Obama, and Axelrod can do it.
Why, look at Bush.
Good luck.
Think he’s a mess now, (and he is, let’s be honest) wait until it gets really stressful.
Not only the rigors of the campaign, but the heat in regard to IL, and Fitzgerald.
WTH were they thinking, running Obama?
And if he was/is a drug user, he can’t handle it, emotionally, already.
Again, WTH were they thinking, running Obama?
O/T
FROM HILLFORUM.COM
Rasmussen Daily Tracking (National Polling): Clinton v Obama
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c…olling_history
So just a few days back they said they weren’t doing these tracking polls anymore because the campaign was “over” and Obama was the “winner”. Seems they are still doing these daily tracking polls. What crap were they spinning last week?!?
May 17:
Clinton: 44
Obama: 46
Given Obama’s massive media advantage (which probably gives him 10 points for nothing), Clinton’s 44% is exceptional.
Our new T-shirt plans for a group of women who are really pissed off about the treament of Hillary and a vowing not to vote for Obama unless she in on the ticket:
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It would be disgraceful, to say the least, if Hillary Clinton had to be Obama’s VP. Even the thought is repulsive.
I’ve always been a devoted Democrat, but I feel totally out of touch with the party now. My hope is that, if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination or at least a vp spot on the ticket, that she will run as a third party candidate. I actually think she might win, since I feel virtually certain that Obama’s and McCain’s campaigns will implode. Do you think there’s any chance Hillary would consider this?
I think if Hillary accepted the VP spot , she would lose all her credibility and dignity. I just about know she would lose at least half her voters.
And thank you, Larry and Susan, for allowing the truth to be told here, at NQ.
FROM HILLFORUM ——START POLLING PLS,,IF U LIKE TO—
Please help Hillary on these 2 AOL Polls
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With this story on aol
Who do you think will be the Democratic nominee?
Polls here need attention !
Barack Obama 74%
Hillary Clinton 26%
Total Votes: 18,342
Do you think all of the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be restored?
No 52%
Yes 43%
I’m not sure 5%
This is war my friends, this is a fight for democracy, nothing less, so the effort should be nothing less. We have the moral ground.
Our country has been so owned by this presidency. I held out hope that we would send him packing and replace him with somebody useful. Barack Obama would be the other side of George Bush’s extremist coin. So much for improvement.You can see what a smarmy SOB he is during this nomination process, you can see the kind of criminals he associates himself with. Imagine how owned this country would be with his ass in the oval office chair.
I never thought that seeing anybody’s face and hearing anybody’s voice would bother me more than Bush. Now I have found one who trumps him.
Compared to Obama, GW Bush is Father Teresa!
LOL…Irish….Obama is a MOFO FASCIST WITH A SEVERE CONFLICT WITH HIS INNER CRACKER…
I agree with you, Uppity, but I really fear for Israel, with Obama.
When they bid to control US politicians, those worldwide Jews haters, I worry.
I mean, Auchi?
Thought seems to be he purchased Obama’s house for him, made the loan.
And who KNOWS who is making the payments?
O/T FROM http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=129169#post129169
On May 28th, Larry Sinclair will be releasing a video/print anouncement that will make Obama supporters Livid!
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Please look to this Blog Wednesday night May 28, 2008 for an announcement that is sure to make the Obama bloggers and supporters totally livid.
On the evening on May 28, 2008 I will publish on this blog a video and print announcement that is certain to send the cesspool (who has disregarded every law in this country) falling all over themselves in their illegal efforts to stop me from being heard.
I wonder what he is going to release? A secret sex tape? lol
I hope it’s something that is going to make the internet rounds…
UH-OH we better put on our surgical gloves for this !
VERY NICE ARTICLE
WORTH ARTICLE
http://www.politicalpyro.blogsome.com/2008/05/28/and-the-winner-is-hillary-clinton/
And the Winner Is: Hillary Clinton
Regardless of the barrage of media attention Barack Obama has received calling him “the inevitable nominee” for the Democratic Party… here are ten reasons why I believe Hillary Clinton will actually come out on top, despite what you hear.
1. The call for Hillary Clinton to drop out:
2. Barack the nominee:
3. The popular vote:
4. The Michelle Obama video:
and list goes on and on
pls vote for it at realclearpolitice
I seem to recall that when it was determined that there were no WMD in Iraq a good number of “journalists” dove into introspection and loaded a lot of blame on themselves for “becoming the story” instead of “reporting the story” and for failing to question and investigate – a hard learned lesson they forgot very quickly.
Mr. Obama, when you attack Clintons, the American people don’t want to talk about issues any more?
Whenever people raise questions about your political background which reflects your political believes in a significant way – one of the MOST IMPORTANT issues in an election, you always wield the shield “American people want to talk about issues” to silence people; however, meanwhile, these “issues” do not stop you from wield your sword towards Clintons, no matter how trivial, how much ado with nothing Clintons’ comments were. It is ONLY when YOUR problem is being exposed when you yell “American people want to talk about issues
http://www.itstheeconomys.blogspot.com/2008/05/mr-obama-when-you-attack-clintons.html
With great respect and appreciation for your work to wake up the media about Irag, Larry, there were many of us much less informed than you who were dubious about the so-called intelligence reported by Bush’s media. If someone’s been paying attention long enough, he or she can tell when the media is backing a loser. Albeit Iraq was more than a loser; the Iraq mistake has cost many lives, lots of money and it has besmirched the nation’s reputation.
And the media is once again backing a loser. What else can we do to stop this train wreck? If I knew, I’d do it.
I will try to help derail the Obama train if and when he becomes the nominee. The first priority for me and my wif is to find the shortest republican line we can to vote AGAINST Obama and his army of racist. I get omeprazole for my stomach from the VA. So I will just pop one and vote for McCranky.
Maybe they’ll open a Whole Foods in Appalachia.
The Arugulas are now all but admitting that an “ethnic cleansing” of the party is under way. Working class whites and Latinos are no longer wanted or welcome.
http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/05/maybe-theyll-open-whole-foods-in.html
Oh come on…..this is silly.
What’s going on is obvious. People are being honest. They truly do view people in KY and WVA as racist idiots.
That’s what incredibly sad about this election. The prejudices are out for all fo us to see.
It’s so amazing that this attitude even exists, because it’s so small-minded. Obviously, the elite are even more small-thinking than I’d ever imagined.
But then, when I look at how we’re getting our butts whipped in every single major market globally, I sort of get it.
Small-minded thinkers aren’t very competative.
They’ll get their butts beaten.
So, we have work to do.
Obama said it was “the silly season”. I see nothing silly about the people in Ky and WV voting for the best and most qualified candidate HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.
I refuse to read it.
BEKAS I KANT READ I AM FRUM KY AND A RASIST. IDONT NO ANYTHANG BOUT OBAMI, DONT HAVE CABLE OR THA INTERENETS. THAT THER COLORED FELLER OR THE WOMAN>>>HMMM?
Come on. Swing state voters are more moderate. We support Hillary because we vote for experience and FRANKLY we don’t like snobs not because we are racist. If Democrats in KY and WVA were racist, I think they would have switched parties long ago. Not that Republicans in Ky are racist either. But why work for minority rights if you are racist? And by the way, I hated when Wild Oats in Lexington was bought by Whole Foods. I am a Hillary supporter who shops at Whole Foods, OMG. Eastern KY has Organic stores too.
There are more working class whites, I am sure, than elite lefties in America.
Controlling the press:
Michelle Malking gets Dunkin Donut ad featuring Rachel Ray removed from the air waves.
A reading from the Obama Scriptures for May 28, 2008.
Obama – the Book of Axelrod:
chapter 6
verse 66
http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/05/reading-from-obama-scriptures-for-may_28.html
So, why did we invade, destroy Iraq, then?
And how many died?
Over a million Iraqis?
The propaganda war to elect Obama POTUS is the third major involvement of the MSM pushing an agenda in recent memory. The MSM could not denigrate Gore enough and heaped irrational praise on GWB. Once the MSM signed on to the Iraq War, they could not have been bigger cheerleaders for military action.
Here it is 2008 and Obama is the latest and greatest thing the MSM can provide to us. What we need is a large consciousness raising effort to bring this subject more clearly to the American public. The MSM needs to be reigned in and go pack to reporting news, not creating news.
Every day, I am more aware of how prescient George Orwell was about the power of institutions to control our lives.
I’m more amazed at the mediocrity.
Couldn’t they see what would happen?
Apparently not, I wonder what all three of those events have in common, Gore trashed, the war and Obama?
Who are the players, in addition to the flaming moronic incompetents?
Oh, and they are…
The profit motive is responsible for cutting us off from the information that is vital to make this country survive.
(Uno) Take Obama, for instance (Please, take him somewhere, anywhere!). Soros’ money primed the propaganda pump for certain, but it was the story THAT SOLD and cranked the post-Iowa hysteria. A young, black kid from the south side of Chicago makes good in his bid for President. Christ, you’d have to go all the way back to Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland (”Lets give a show!”) to find jejune bullshit that better plucks America’s heart strings. That story was paydirt.
(Dos) The concentration of capital resources in the hegemony of Time-Warner, News Corporation, Viacom and Disney makes it imperative that it be defended. You MUST have those frequencies assigned to you by the government and you MUST keep them at all costs. So how do you do it? Well if your news organizations don’t say nice things about those elected officials maybe they won’t be back on the next election cycle.
Alternatively, you can do favors (hint, hint) for those in power for not reporting damaging events or information that might get them tossed out of office.. “If it happens but you don’t hear about it, Did it happen?”
(Tres) Bill Paley found that he could make more money on The 64,000 Qustion than See It Now and get zero flack from it until the quiz show scandals hit. Paddy Chayefsky knew this and now his vision is complete except for Sybil The Soothsayer. None of it is news, all of it is entertainment. Bill O’Reilly, not Ed Murrow, sells.
Poor Big Media, you cannot totally blame the media for the information problem. The American people, in the odd instance when they are not self-absorbed or running Buffy over to soccer practice in the Hummer, act a lot of the time like they are dumber than retarded dog drool. Why shovel your best efforts into that vacuum?
I often read with interest and look for updates on the case (similar to the Plame case) of the former agent who was put on administrative leave in September 2003 and then fired from the CIA in September 2004 because he refused to change his intelligence findings about WMD’s to coincide with the popular theories for invading Iraq.
A federal judge has said he could continue with his case so when is it going to trial? When is this person going to be allowed to speak? Practically the entire lawsuit is classified. Apparently the CIA is afraid to allow the media anywhere near him. No pictures or artists renderings allowed. Sounds like he must be somebody very recognizable. Can we thank the media for that?
His lawyer says most of the details of the case are classified — not to protect national security but to conceal politically embarassing facts from public scrutiny. Gee, I wonder why Scotty hasn’t mentioned it?
Hey Centrocitta, good to here from ya. Hope all is well.
Is this another John Doe case? What court / circuit is is it being held in?
Hi Teak. Yes it is another John Doe Case. But no John this time. Not even a first name, however having worked for IBM and knowing all about fonts and things, it sure looks to me like the redacted first name of DOE contains four letters. Hmmmmmmmm.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
CASE NUMBER 1.04CV02122
Judge: Gladys Kessler
Plaintiff: ____ Doe
vs.
Porter Goss and
Central Intelligence Agency
A federal judge has said he could continue with his case so when is it going to trial? When is this person going to be allowed to speak?
So I wonder then, on what gounds was this individual was given standing. Classified material aside, I would think the principle and established case law that was supporting the plantiff’s standing, would warrent some kind of exposure.
The wiretap case in SF was public and the object of the complaint, a violation of constitutional rights.
Yet the person in this court has standing which a public case was denied?
Thanks for the heads up.
…..Yet the person in this court has standing which a public case was denied? Thanks for the heads up…..
Yes, the public case is denied. And this plaintiff is an AMERICAN CITIZEN!
You cranky, Larry? Don’t fucking worry about it. You’re doing your job – for people everywhere. You saw through the bullshit and you spoke out. And today you have a forum accessible internationally where people can get together over these issues. It’s like the Real United Nations.
You’re entitled to be cranky. As cranky as you like. Someone buy Larry a shot and a beer.
political propaganda campaign
and who was the mouth piece for all this earwax?
The idea of the MSM being a “self policing” entity and not beholden to the Public is painful.
I fully understand why it would make one “cranky”.
We know the moon is made from cheese, because Scotty was up at the podium repeating what he knew to bold face lies. What did he do? Stated the obvious. Loyalty be damned. How much of the book was redacted? Like Valerie Wilson’s book?
Naw…not likely.
So I guess there will be on less rocking chair on Bushes porch for Scotty…eh Mr. Johnson?
Larry I have a question. Are you saying we had enough info that countered the countless intel from the mid 90’s and beyond in our own Country, other Middle East intel, European intel,..etc, that lead up to the War, that would prove they were lying? I mean you would need some serious debunk to combat the decade worth of WMD reports. Not to mention bullshiting around with the UN Resolutions. I say instead of fighting the battle over whether this is Bush’s War, or a War our brave troops are fighting today, we can take that energy to support our troops. Which I know from experience that you do. If you want to play the blame game, I could go back to the 70’s and lay blame from the White House, Congress, CIA, and who ever else missed this fanatical extremists jihad that wants us all to convert or die. How did we miss that? We are paying for it now. I was against the Iraq War. I never believed we were in danger of WMD’s. I thought Saddam needed to go, but I wanted Bin Laden more, dead or….well, you know what I mean. Sorry if this came of as a rant, it got a little long. I enjoy your work, and would like your thoughts on why we were so in the dark with Islamic extremists. Thanks
I just wrote to the super delegates at support@lobbydelegates.com. Everyone should. This is what I wrote:
Dear Super Delegate,
I think popular vote is more important that delegate count. And qualifications and governing record should weigh most heavily on whom you support.
Barac Obama has almost no governing experience and less understanding of policy issues. Throughout the campaign, he seldom rose about empty rhetoric and only recited liberal cliches that will do nothing to solve current problems.
By contrast, the Clintons are the greatest policy experts of our time.
Hillary Clinton played a major role in formulating the national legislative agenda of the Clinton administration: which reversed damages of three republican administrations, turned deficit into surplus, created a massive economic boom, and improved nearly every statistic in the book.
Considering the serious problems we face, the Clinton’s vast knowledge and flawless reasoning are needed now more than ever.
For all these reasons, I urge you to vote for Hillary Clinton in your role of Super Delegate.
Gee, Scotty’s revelations have brought calls for the FBI to arrest Bush and Cheney. Better yet is that the dollar has already started to rally against the Euro. Something tells me the honchos in the EU might be having a little snicker right about now.
…..You were right then but you have since
discredited yourself with your ugly Hillary licking…..
Well John Doh, back THEN in 1997, 98 and 99, I was living in Austin, Texas. Yes, Bill Clinton was in the White House at the time but George W. Bush was in the Texas Governor’s House. Given Texas’ reputation for acting like a foreign country, I still don’t know what to make of it all. I have to vote for a Democratic candidate but unless somebody tells me the truth, I can’t really make an informed decision, can I?