Carville Hints the Fight Could Go On
By LisaB on May 29, 2008 at 1:55 AM in ABC News, Barack Obama, Clinton, Current Affairs, DNC, Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Disenfranchisement, Hillary Clinton, James Carville, Popular Vote, Presidential Candidates
On ABC News with Diane Sawyer, James Carville gave a preview of the next few days and maybe weeks regarding the Democratic nominating process. He also stresses what he sees as the Obama campaign’s heavy-handed flogging of the South Dakota / RFK kerfluffle.
While many have said that the nominating process will not run past June 3, Carville hints that may not be the case after all. He says there may be a split decision with Obama having more delegates and Hillary having more votes. He also says Clinton has a superior moral position because various party leaders offered compromises on MI and FL that were rebuffed by the Obama campaign.
But, he goes on to say the Obama campaign really screwed up by pressing the vitriol regarding the South Dakota interview.
When Diane replied that Obama publically didn’t say anything about HIllary’s RFK statement, Carville, laughing, said:
“Diane, I’m not a journalist, I’m a political operative, I don’t fall for that. I mean, come on, please.”
Then he resumes talking about how the Obama campaign hyped up the RFK story.
Diane presses him on the possibility that a convention fight will ensue. Carville presses the case that Hillary may well have the popular vote by June 3, with Obama having more delegates.
He later mentions South Dakota again and says he was personally hurt by it. He says Obama “tried to pull a clever political trick and it backfired on him.”
He laid the RFK story down as a marker (several times - even Obama dementors should get this) and hinted that the fight will continue. Very interesting.
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Regarding the McClellan book, Carville says, rightly, that more books will come out, more people will ask questions and the questions about the Bush administration will occupy many people for a long time.
He said: “I think this is gonna be the rest of their lives.”
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James is right about Obama’s big mistake. He blew a chance to make it right within the party. He got caught.
But I don’t agree that a Dem will take the White House.
I think McCain will surprise everyone.
There is so much denial about how HRC’s supporter’s will go. They just don’t get it. Big surprise in November when the numbers come in and the country is red …. he is not capable of winning this thing.
I hear the democrats are having trouble raising money for the convention.
Maybe they are starting to figure it out.
I’ve received two emails and a snail mail asking for donations to the DNC. I deposited them in “File 13″. Money is tight for us right now, because my husband lost his job back in February. If I have spare money, I’d rather give it to Hillary.
I have been mailing them back in their postage-paid envelopes with a note explaining why I am not contributing.
Many of us have been using red ink to get our point across.
TO ALL WHO GET DNC REQUESTS FOR $$$
Many of us have been disgusted that when we have sent complaints, by the thousands at least, to the DNC email, they have been unread and without response. We all quickly received instead a request for $$$.
Frustrated and unheard, we tried many ways to get through and found none. To top it off, our email addresses were given by same DNC to John Edwards, wrongfully and without our consent or knowledge. So the night of Hills big WVa win, we got - 6 minutes later- a mass email from Edwards also asking us for $$$. When I sent an angry note back to edwards, I also got a quick non-response telling me where I could email Edwards to arrange a speaking engagement! lol
SO THIS IS OUR BIG CHANCE AT LAST! I got the same recent DNC $$ request you mentioned. I went to the bottom of the page and found “UNSUBSCRIBE”. When I clicked it I got a new page that ACTUALLY ASKED ME why I was leaving DNC mailing list - FINALLY!!!
I filled in the comment box stating I would not support a party in which SuperDelegates were systematically voting against the voters of their state in support of the unqualified, security risk candidate, Obama.
So, watch your email in box for DNC $$$ requests. Here is your chance (as mine above) to finally be heard on what real Democrats think!
Also, sorry to say don’t look for obama camp to run out of $$$. Their big $$$ are why DNC wants them and with GE/MSNBC bottomless profits backing obama - plus TONS of laundered Arab $$$ - they aren’t going to run low on cash.
This is why our grass roots actions are so important - to show them that all the $$$ in the world can’t buy them a win. We won’t stand for it - and WE WILL BE HEARD.
I received two e-mails yesterday, one from John Edwards-flogging for Cong. Dems. and one from the DNC.–
I replied to both that I was just a Fl. resident and Hillary supporter who was low-informational, poor working class, older white woman so they should know I have no money and not even ask.
I was so much fun.
Several groups are opposing Obama. I am even starting a new party to overcome and recover from the looming disaster in November with Obama as the nominee. If you’re reall sick and tired and disgusted with the same old crap at the DNC by the leaders who aren’t leading or opposting, come join us.
Send an email to
newwomensparty-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Tell us a little bit about yourself and your location. This is strictly a grassroots organization and we ar merging with other groups to network and register our extreme displeasure with the DNC cowardly leadership. All these hearings, all thes eimmunities given to get testimony, and all the blatant defiance to even show up. We have to employ nuclear options to chagne everything from politics as usual. Come join us, everyone.
I think you should include us guys. We’re just as upset about the sexism towards Hillary.
Agreed. I have a wife and two adult daughters I love and admire. Sexism pisses me off.
I honestly believe that the Obamabots were LOOKING for something to pounce upon when Hillary made the RFK remark! The reason is crystal clear–the Obama baby doesn’t want to have to put Hillary on the ticket. For the life of me, I cannot understand WHY Hillary would even want to be Obama’s VP, but given that Bill Clinton had apparently been lobbying for Obama to offer the VP slot to Hillary, it seems that this RFK story was just a little too convenient.
I’ve heard some talk about Obama putting John Edwards on the ticket. I cannot see that because Edwards doesn’t bring anything to the ticket in the way of unity or states that will support him since he was unable to do very well in ANY of the primaries. Even in Iowa where Edwards had essentially been campaigning since 2004, he was only able to secure a second-place finish.
I wished that I had the optimism of some of Hillary’s supporters here that she can still win the nomination, but I don’t see how. I wished that I did because I know good and well that Obama is a train wreck.
The thing that really bothers me about what is going on with Obama the divider is the way that his campaign has injected so much vitriol toward various groups of people into this race. People keep talking about Obama losing the votes of white blue-collar workers, a core Democratic consituency. But very few have discussed his problem with Jews, another reliable Democratic constituency. I know several liberal, Democratic Jews who are actually talking about voting for McBush rather than risk the future of Israel with Obama and his team of anti-Israeli foreign advisors.
Actually, to Andrea Mitchell’s credit (and I do not give that woman much credit for anything beyond nice clothes), she has mentioned Obama’s problem with Jews several times. I just do not believe that Jews are suddenly going to come home to the Democratic nominee because this empty suit vows undying support of Israel when his advisors are all lined up on the OPPOSITE side of that argument. Andrea Mitchell seemed to think that putting Michael Bloomberg on the ticket would solve that problem. Although I actually like Bloomberg, that sort of choice would likely alienate as many as it might bring back in.
Am I wrong in saying the O’s reasoning is that:
a) he may have avoided being beholden to “Jewish” money, which up to the present was a crucial rite of passage for anyone running for political office.
b) even if the Jews withhold their votes, they do not form a significant voting block???!!!
So he can just play it cool, avoid stirring those waters, until he chooses to make any master move in that direction!
Actually, in the same SD interview with Hillary, she flatly denied there were any talks about being VP. She said that she is running for the nominee and put the blame on those rumors on her opponent. I don’t think Hillary has any intention of ever being VP. It’s either the nominee or go back to the Senate.
I think one of the reason’s that the Obama camp hyped up the RFK stuff is because in that same interview, Hillary was making her very strong case to why she should be the nominee. I think they wanted to step on that message and they did.
However, I agree with Carville. It backfired. Attacking Clinton like that at this stage of the game is unnecessary if, like Obama says, “he’s the nominee.” If he was, they wouldn’t still be trying to derail her. This isn’t over and they know it.
Your belief in the accuracy of the reporting regarding Bill lobbying for V.P. for Hillary has been dispelled time and time again. Bill has never lobbied for Hillary and the V.P. spot. The msm has been lying and it is too bad there are people who still trust what they say as being truth.
I read that the Obama campaign put out the rumor that Hillary was running for VP. Their rational was supposed to be that if Hillary’s supporters thought she was giving up that they wouldn’t go to the polls in these last few states and vote for her. Essentially the Obama people wanted to drive down Hillary’s numbers.
That sounds more accurate.
As Bob Somerby over at the Daily Howler pointed out, Hillary said the same thing in way back in Martch and nobody - not one person - said a thing. So this is for certain completely manufactured outrage.
As Bob Somerby over at the Daily Howler pointed out, Hillary said the same thing in way back in March and nobody - not one person - said a thing. So this is for certain completely manufactured outrage.
annin — I hope the rumor Lou Dobbs heard is true that Hillary will run as an Independent. What bothers me though is how hard The Democratic Party and the media have pushed to stop Hillary. Pelosi is trying to force Unity on the convention and in the process she is helping to destroy The Democratic Party. What would be wrong with this going to the convention? I have watched many brokered conventions and our Democracy remained in tact.
I heard Harry Reid mention this morning on a radio interview that he talked to Howard Dean, Pelosi, and other members of the DNC as well as congressional people who made up the superdelegates - they are gonna force a decision by June 3, heavily leaning for Obama. They expect to count but not count FL and MI - meaning delay until it won’t matter anymore (meaning continue using the 2026 number of delegates, of which Obama just needs less than 50 more (Dean alone can appoint nearly 76 SDs) instead of having to include the real number of 2210. THE FIX IS IN. They strongly, and I believe erroneously, believe they can control and puppet Obama, wait till his terrorist backers and corruption scums in Chicago get a load of that. That many hands up his a**, only a matter of time before constipation sets in.
I cannot believe this group - what is wrong with them. Dean, Pelois, Reid, superdelegates obviously are in denial.
It may have a little to do with the fact that the DNC has NO MONEY, and Obama as alot of money and they need the money.
OMG - I see all out war on this election
They may succeed in forcing SD’s to back Obama. But where they will NOT succeed is forcing US to vote for him.
Even if Obama declares victory with 2026, that will have to include Super Delegates, because mathematically he can’t get enough pledged delegates before then. Super delegates can change their minds and aren’t committed, even if they say so now, to any one candidate. And if the R and B committee leaves it up to the Credentials committee in August to decide the fate of MI and FL, as well as what the true number of delegates the nominee has to have, the DNC will be shooting themselves in the foot if their wish is to start playing the General Election campaign now.
I hope Hillary’s team has their legal skills sharpened…there’s some slippery snakes in the DNC.
Obama is damaged goods and everyone knows it. The super delegates are supporting Obie now because of white guilt. They shouldn’t be however, because this is not about race. It’ about his lack of experience and associations which make him cannon fodder for the republicans.
By the time August rolls around the super delegates will move back to Hillary guilt free as more revelations come out about Obama.
Sen Byrd is a classic example. As a former clan member he feels at his age that he at least need to show support for the AA with the most delegates despite Obama being clobbered in his home state of WV. Later he can switch his vote back to Hillary when pressure builds to field a candidate who can actually win.
White guilt? Maybe more placating the AA group.
So…….we lose the White House in a year Bozo the Clown should have won.
We’ll still be on the side of AA voters.
I think that’s about what it comes down to.
I tell you what I think the bigger story is. It’ll be how the Democratic party turned on the Latino community.
That’s the real story.
This is a very interesting election. It’s like watching the Democratic Party get real.
We are no more able to handle cultural issues than the Republicans.
That’s become completely obvious.
The Democrats fall to Earth.
You have a good point.
I don’t hear threats from Hillary supporters about blood and riots in the streets of Denver.
Placating is a good way to describe how wimpy the super delegates have behaved. And we want these wimps to secure our country against Islamic terrorists?
If you even worry about national security, you’ll go Republican.
Me? I’m experience. I’ll go Republican.
I’m not mad at Obama.
I just won’t vote for him because he’s an idiot in a tan and a suit.
Then there’s the women who are mad and will not vote for him.
It all adds up.
He’s never going to be President.
I’m relaxed on ths point.
There is no way that Wright-mentored Obama will ever be president.
And the Democrats have lost my sympathy.
Yes, this should have been your year.
No, it won’t be.
I even think you better start worrying about down-ticket.
I think you may be surprised by just how deep this backlash hits.
If you even worry about national security, you’ll go Republican.
Republicans aren’t really that strong on national security. Right now, for example, everyone knows that our National Guard aren’t here in the USA protecting and helping us, but have been sent to Iraq by GWB and the Republican Executive.
I agree, if you’re really worried about national security, you’ll vote Clinton.
Annie seems to feel it’s a done deal, Obama and the nomination.
I don’t.
If you are worried about National Security, the first thing to do is quit P.O.ing the potential enemies (Not Appeasement, just not stirring up hornets’ nests). The longer we stay in Iraq, the more the Arab population dislikes us. Vote for somebody who will get us out of Iraq. Republicans are in no hurry to do that.
Barack has NO PLAN to get out Iraq. Just words. He was too stupid and prideful to call McCain on his offer to go to Iraq with him. IS HE INSANE? McCain has much more standing in this area than he can imagine. Look like you are the “uniter” you say you are. Now he wants to go? Alone? What a turd he looks like. A snotty, my way or the high way little brat. Wonder who that best resembles? Scotty McClellan probably can help you out with the answer if you’re stumped.
Excuse me? They don’t dislike us because we are in Iraq. THEY HATE US and have long before the Iraq war and will continue to long after. They must be pretty persuasive though because there are a whole faction of American citizens that believe America is to blame for all the world’s evils and right now they are supporting Obama.
MSM trash is just polluting the airways and killing baby seals at the same time. I truly believe that they want to set up a Katrina/OJ scene where black folks are mad as hell and burn down the whole country. Well I know for a fact that my black ass is not going to riot over Obama. Trust me I am not the only one here. Black folks got other shit to worry about than Obama. He has a nice house and probably pays his credit card bills on time. I know this is not just a black issue. It is just a issue. Everybody of every race have bills to pay. So, don’t believe the hype the msm is propagating. Please call the msm out when they throw this angry AA/black voters bullshit at us. And please don’t forget about the msm new “angry women voters” bullshit.
“Well I know for a fact that my black ass is not going to riot over Obama.”
LOL….
Well I know for a fact that my black ass is not going to riot over Obama. Trust me I am not the only one here. Black folks got other shit to worry about than Obama
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LOL! Yes, we’re ALL Americans and we’re all in this together and I think the MSM is trying to divide us - I don’t know why, but that’s what they’re trying to do!
Ann you are so right about the Latino population. This is a huge voting block and Brazile is going to eat dirt over that one. There was plenty of bad feeling between Latinos and the AA community already. Obama will never get them to vote for him as a block. Never. You saw Nevada when the food service union leader endorsed Obama and his members voted for Hillary. There is no way that rift will be fixed. It’s even bigger than the woman rift.
Asian-American voters are for Hillary too. The Clintons are respected and loved by this ethnic group.Obama is a disgrace to his AA community.Respect is one of the values of the people and Obama does not have that. When he flipped Hillary off & brushed her off his shoulders,gangsta style, Obama lost his dignity & class. Not presidential at all. Moreover, he has numerous gaffes, a grade schooler will blush.
It’ll be how the Democratic party turned on the Latino community.
That’s the real story.
You are correct. What party in their right minds….should I continue?
That’s why the Clintons spending so much time in PR is smart. I hope Hill is taking Spanish lessons right now for the future
I think the supers are supporting Obama because of money, not race. I think they have been quite happy to accept big money from BO. In regards to Carville, I really hope Clinton stays in through the convention. I will be very disappointed if she drops out in June.
I think you’re right, and Mel’s article on Chicago it’s many foundations which control money, and power, is quite illuminating.
This group seems to control the political agenda,in Chicago, anyway, which explains the nomination of this POS Obama, and the general level of stagnant and stinking mediocrity we see in business, and politics.
Obama is the candidate of change, but isn’t it funny how nothing has changed in Chicago politics since the 1920s? My grandfather was a precinct captain in Chicago from the 1920s-1940s. He had to have a bodyguard after a threat was made on his life. I remember that my father always said, “Never trust a politician from Chicago. If they weren’t corrupt to being with, they’ll get that way through the process.”
She won’t drop out. Making a contribution today will be your support for her to continue. It makes a big statement. She needs to hear from us with $ to continue to the convention. I made my contribution today.
That is exactly right. And through Saturday, your donation will be matched, dollar for dollar. You give $10, it gets a $10 match, and Hillary has $20 more to stay in the race with. $20 + 20 = $50, $50 + $50 gives her $100. Let’s make our contributions NOW! (www.hillaryclinton.com)
Seattle — I’m afraid that Pelosi will not let this get to the convention. I am tired of this party determining that being politically correct is more important than winning elections.
No, Sen Byrd is setting up the money spigot for his successor. If you look at where is donations come from, his biggest single donor was MoveOn to the tune of $80000.
Byrd is retiring, his successor is getting started through Obama and MoveOn.
Oh, the recycled memo must be out to drag in Hillary as the reason Barack will lose, because one of the Obama dementors is sending around that old one on how a floor fight by Hillary will “tear the party apart.”
No. Nominating a LOSER will tear the party apart. Get it straight, Obamaborg.
I’m ready for a floor fight. Ready for Pelosi vs. Hillary fight. Who’d a thunk it. Matriarch of the House vs. the Madame of the Whitehouse.
Pelosi’s going down.
God, I hope so, I can’t tolerate her, she’s disgusting.
So Pelosi was made Chairman of the Convention –does she have to act like Chairman Mao?
The New Democrat party is one that needs to be destroyed at the convention. Dean and Brazille who think you can have a coalition without the Reagan democrats and working class people are in for a rude awakening.
We have to finally purge the party of these leftist pacifist loonies or there will not be a democrat party.
Rove is close to having his permanent republican majority if Obama is nominated.
I for one will be leaving the democrat party if Hillary is not the nominee.
I will also campaign for McCain as I have done for great democrats in the past like Clinton and Gore.
Obama the destroyer!!! No uniter here folks-this revolution was televised the whole damn time. Wake up people. I truly never believed in evil until George Bush 9/11 world order. Now we have a new prince, Obama, that believes words can solve global warming. It really sucks to be this mad and sad at the same time. I see no need to whine on a blog about it. Yes, many people died when Bush stated “you are either with us or against us!” Obama is just as classless as Bush. I sorry to say that he could have really redeemed all of this RFK bullshit if he just wave his magic wand (or just said Yes, RFK died in June…shit happens. Hillary was just stating what happened in June.) He could also stated in January that President Clinton is not a racist. This is not ways of a uniter. Remember back in 2000 when GW Bush called himself the uniter and turned and spit on McCain for having a black adopted daughter. My god where do we go from Here?
Be brave, have courage, & watch for the signs.
Read Mel’s piece on Chicago politics, and you see the talent Thomas Ayers attracted was not the best and the brightest, not the smartest by any means.
Look at Cheney and Bush’s string of failures, their corruption.
What else could have happened with that group?
They are completely incompetent, motivated by grandiose thinking with no understanding of government, and it’s complex functioning.
And everything they touched failed, because no one, democratic or republican, is capable of sustained critical thinking.
It’s not evil, it is truly the banality of corrupt stupidity.
None here would hire an Obama, or a Bush, we all KNOW these guys, they get the management position, but they can’t do ANYTHING, the entire office mocks and despises them.
What was their main qualification?
They’d kiss ass, and they’d take the bribes, keeping their mouths shut.
Yes yes Obama will make a FINE President…
Intellect, skill and integrity still matter in the presidency, despite what the money people think.
But most are as mediocre as Bush…
dogfish — watching the party I have identified with and loved all my life implode before my eyes is one of the saddest things I have ever experienced.
I love this guy.
Well it should go on!
After snObama “won” the Iowa caucus his followers were already talking about who he’d pick as his VP!
That was before we really got to know who snObama is.
I must that Howie Dean and Donna racist Brazile were very good at covering up just exactly who and what snObama is — part of the Chicago political machine!
Most people don’t get into the nitty gritty details that we do — what they do know is that something isn’t “right” about snObama.
O.K. — Oregon — well what can we say about the idiots in Oregon who voted for the bum??
If the MSM had been doing their job Obama would have been a footnote in Iowa.
The Fix has been in from the start. What Dean and those fools didn’t realize is the power of the people represented by the Clinton’s.
Oregon…You need to work on your patriotism
Seattle — the fix was in however, Obama was a tough sell and so the more sales resistance the American people showed the harder they pushed. Now it appears that they will kneecap any Super Delegate who fails to support Obama and the base of the party has been told tow the line or get out because its a New Democratic Party. The only thing new about our party is it will have very few members.
Careful. The 250,000 people in Oregon who voted for Hillary are still pissed and hurting.
Lou, I know there was double-counting of votes in North Carolina. I am certain there was at least some double-counting of votes in Oregon as well, both states in favor of Obama.
However, where is the proof that voters went out en masse for Senator Clinton? I’d love to have that proof, and I agree with your previous assertions that Obama does not have 50% or more of the electorate — I would guess he has at best 40% (a very vocal close to 40%), and he won my state by a supposed 18 points — something I really can’t believe. (I live in Wisconsin.)
I do think that some of the Obama supporters have voted in multiple primaries and should be prosecuted for their felonious behavior. But once again, how do we prove that?
Oregon is known to have the worst crystal meth problems of any state. The Obomination pollsters probably told them to come to their voting location and receive a free baROCK
Carville is right, that June-rfk overblown media trick was sucha mess and sooooo disgusting to me.
Though, I am not sure that Obama could win against McCain. I really don’t think so.
I’m not entirely sure Carville believes that either. His affect changed quite a bit when he said Obama will beat McCain.
Agree…It’s Unity BS and he knows it. If the Rules and Bylaws committee decides to split the delegates Clinton could appeal to the credentials committee at the Convention. The Minority Leader of the State Senate in Florida is filing suit because they want all the delegates seated. Carville is right Clinton has the Moral High ground and should stick with it. The Primaries were rigged and the GOP will use this against Obama if the DNC is stupid enough to bestow an ILLEGITIMATE nomination upon Obama….I can see the ads now and it will all be about the obvious hypocrisy and corruption that allows such mis-management in DC to continue…SHEEESH !
Yes, I don’t blame Carville for not telling the truth here (of course McCain can beat Obama!)…can you imagine the media-firestorm (fed by the Obama campaign and the Obama blogs) if Carville had spoken the truth? I couldn’t help but dislike Diane Sawyer just a bit for forcing him to answer these stupid questions. She should have focussed on strategy.
I too love Carville.
Where is Carville going to go without being a Democrat? He has to say that Obama can win. His career is as a Democrat. His wife has the Republican side, so until he has an alternative, he’s a Democrat. And he can’t sit there and root against his team. But in his heart, he knows Obama is a ticket to four more years of Republicans. I wish he could say it. But he won’t.
kat — I think Carville was just being polite by saying Obama could beat McCain. The Republicans have the goods on BO. Remember the Michelle I HATE WHITEY tape. Carville knows Obama cannot beat McCain. Everyday he shows what a complete amateur he is.
James Carville is great. I think he and probably Hillary were very hurt over what the Obama campaign did over her statements in SD. I think Hillary was probably ready to say, if she didn’t have the popular vote she would just let it go, but now I think she’s pissed and he’s made it personal. This will go on, and reconciliation has just become a word. He’ll really have to apologize to make this right.
I wonder if “hurt” is Carville’s code for “you’ve taken this out of the political realm and made it personal.”
Obama could apologize until the cows come home, and it will not make me think he is anything but an arrogant, narcissistic empty suit. I will never vote for him, even if he “allows” Hillary to be the VP candidate. He and the DNC hierarchy can rot in hell while I happily vote for John McCain.
I made my first presidential vote for JFK. How proud I was when I left that polling place, knowing we were going to have my kind of president. I have voted for the Democratic candidate every year since then. I am not a Regan Democrat, I’m just a plain old Democrat, born and raised in Ohio. A lunch bucket Democrat who has sits by and watches as the older Democratic politicians in Washington are preaching change but not really meaning a word of it. They have a tainted puppet preaching one thing and meaning the same old beltway politics we have had for years and laughing about how they have hoodwinked all of us. In my opinion, Howard Dean and Donna Brazille are traitors to the Democratic Party and need to be removed. If they think they can win a national election without the great states of Ohio, Florida, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Michigan they better buy some ocean front property in Arizona. I will remain a Democrat as long as we select the strongest candidate to run for president. If they select the tainted puppet, I will vote for the Republican Presidential candidate for the first time in my life. Wake up you middle class Democrats. They can’t win without us and they know it. Be heard, don’t take this lying down.
As a fellow Ohioian, I am right there with you. I will not vote for a “little ‘d’ Democrat.”
OhioDem — I can relate to everything you say. My first vote was for LBJ (although I really wanted Bobby). Hillary has Bobby’s seat in the Senate and I hoped that she would win the presidency 40 years later for him.
I have never voted for a Republican because I believe that our party stood for the people. For the last 30 years I have watched the Democrats control congress but sit by while our jobs left and our Middle Class life became harder and harder to attain.
Than along came Bill Clinton and the trend was reversed and we had a strong middle class again. The lazy asses who call themselves Democratic Representatives don’t want another activist president to stop the decline — they would rather sit by and watch it happen. This New Democratic Party is no longer interested in its base, its seniors, its workers, its Hispanic voters. They have sold us out. We weren’t supposed to figure it out but they got desperate when they couldn’t stop Hillary and showed their true colors.
I am changing my party registration to Independent because I cannot watch the party I so identified with implode before my eyes.
Ohio Dem — sorry in 1964 I voted for Johnson. In 68 I voted for Humphrey.
Speaking of Michigan, Survey USA’s May poll shows Obama losing support among Democrats, including a sharp dive in AA support:
SurveyUSA. 5/27-28. Likely voters. MoE 4.3%
Tot Men Wom Whi Bla Rep Dem Ind
5/27-28
Obama (D) 37 30 44 34 62 10 60 37
McCain (R) 41 48 36 43 26 78 18 37
2/26-28
Obama (D) 46 43 49 39 88 13 76 43
McCain (R) 45 51 39 51 10 83 16 45
Hard to believe he could drop 16% with Democrats and drop 26% among black voters. But he did block a chance for them to hold re-votes. Michigan has been the most economically devastated state (according to Hillary.) Also here’s a backup Detroit News poll showing McCain ahead, and a lot of undecideds.
Then there’s this unique orange satan insight:
I always enjoy that Ol’ Dog Carville…one smart Cracker…chuckle….
He always hedges a bit when discussing Obama’s chances of beating McCain as if he knows he’s just sayin unity bull shit. I think this fight is bigger than they play it in the msm.
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I agree. Off topic…I haven’t seen Strawberry or Uppity post lately. Has anyone heard from them?
Uppity maybe writing … vacations?
I’m here! Dang it if life doesn’t sometimes get in the way of politics.
great…I always enjoy reading your and strawberry’s comments!
McCain in a landslide over Barry. I love the fact that everyoine runs around wiuth polls and strategy now. Then, in November, everyone suddenly realizes that a few states hold the key and that those states will decide the election.
Barry already pissed off Florida and Ohio - two swing states he must have to win. They will be red this year and Howard “the Duck” Dean and the Donna Brazilian-led DNC will only have themselves to blame.
The only problem is that they (Dean and Brazile) will not blame themselves. As per usual they will lay Obama’s loss at the feet of the Clinton’s. Mark my words, they already are attempting to deflect this debacle onto the Clinton’s. Some senior Obama aid came out in recent days to say that ” the only person who can put his arms around this party and begin the healing process is Bill Clinton”. They call him a racist and now they want him to come out and for the good of a party who treated his wife and him like pure shit, he is supposed to put on his most winning smile and do alittle song and dance to bring us all back into the fold. Dean and Brazile should be taken and tarred and feathered for this. (Add Pelosi onto the mix as well!!)
Long live James Carville! Long live the fight to the convention! Long live real democracy!
I’m ready for a floor fight. Ready for Pelosi vs. Hillary fight. Who’d a thunk it. Matriarch of the House vs. the Madame of the White House.
Pelosi’s going down.