Looking Forward to a Barack Presidency [With Updates - ABC NEWS]
By Larry Johnson on May 29, 2008 at 2:21 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Father Michael Pfleger
Barack has a simple choice. He wants to be a uniter? Well how will that happen with this kind of garbage? In Barack’s church every white person is responsible for slavery. Every one. Instead of the voice of Martin Luther King calling America to repent and not see color, the radical liberation theologists that populate the pulpit of the Jeremiah Wright hate-fest tell us differently. Let the words speak for themselves:
So Barack, a simple question. Do words matter or not?
UPDATE: It is important to remember that the priest in this video is one of Obama’s official spiritual advisors. More here if you have the time.)
2nd UPDATE: Here is the screenshot of Fr. Pfleger’s endorsement of Barack — which Barack Obama CHOSE to place on his official campaign site. (And, below the fold, is one more memorable video of the “good” father.)
3rd UPDATE: Pfleger’s faith testimonial now scrubbed from the Obama campaign’s official website. Tacit admission of guilt, Barack?
4th UPDATE – ABC News recently published a report on Obama’s financial, spiritual and political relationship to Pfleger.
(Click on the image to see the full-sized screenshot of Pfleger’s endorsement proudly displayed by Barack Obama.)
SusanUnPC’s additional notes: From Larry’s great piece on April 2, 2008 — “What Would Tip O’Neill Do About Barack’s Pastors? [Updated]” — another video of the “good” father in action:
In Larry’s story in which this video appeared, he told about discussing all of this with his own longtime former pastor. Larry was wondering why Barack Obama has hung out with Father Pfleger, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss, et al. — this group of political extremists who preach hate and racism — for over TWENTY years. That pastor told him about a conversation he once had with the legendary Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neill.
The great Tip O’Neill said to Larry’s dear friend and pastor:
Politicians need to learn an important skill. If you are hearing things that go against your values you get up and walk out.
That’s right.
You GET UP.
You WALK OUT.
That SHOWS that you have VALUES.
But what did Barack Obama do instead?
Barack Obama SAT DOWN.
Barack Obama kept WALKIN’ BACK IN.
Barack Obama is INTIMATE with these racists and hate-mongerers who divide this nation and its people, one from another.
If somehow he became president, he would divide us even more.
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Barack Obama consorted with these extremists and racists for OVER TWENTY YEARS.
Barack Obama has NO VALUES.
None.
EXCEPT THAT HE SHARES THEIR HATRED and THEIR RACISM.
Barack Obama, in my opinion only (Susan), hates and is a racist as much as his spiritual mentors do. The only difference between him and his wife, Michelle, who reveals her hatred because she cannot contain it, is that he has been more skilled at concealment.
I think one of the reasons his gaffes are increasing exponentially — including honoring the “fallen heroes” IN the audience on Memorial Day — is that he is CRACKING under the pressure of trying to play the role of the uniter when, in fact, he is really a divider.










































I agree, Larry. It’s all about Wright.
There is simply no way that America will put him into office. He named Wright as his mentor. I don’t care that he denies that today. Or that he distances himself.
He has to live by his own written word.
And he has yet to say that it was a mistake.
He has “nuanced” it.
Whatever…….
Wright is the reason he’s lost overwhelmingly in KY, WVA, and will lose again soon.
Wright is the reason his exit polls show her supporters will move to McCain.
And Wright is the reason even Carville is wrong.
Obama is Gary Hart. Wright is his “photo on the boat with the bimbo.”
Nobody has fully accepted this yet.
But Wright sunk him.
Yep yep yep.
Oh my f**king Lord — I can’t believe what I just f**king witnessed.
here’s MORE…
http://tinyurl.com/yqp9ao
“The Rev. Michael Pfleger contributed to Obama’s campaign and in turn Obama redirected a $225,000 grant to St. Sabina.”
This is the second part of this story.
Does that church EVER EVER EVER talk about GOD?
Yes, Wright talked about God when he said “Goddamn America! It’s in the Bible!”
You know I been wondering about that for quite some time. Do these people go to church to hear words of hope and love and kindness?
Does anyone repeat the wonderful words of the Sermon on the Mount that I still find inspiring after leaving the church many years ago?
This is racist hate. This is divisive words of hate. And this is where Obama sat for 20 years. Don’t tell me he’s not responsible for what these ranting haters say. He accepts their words or he’s a got up, gathered his family and walked out. That’s what people of conscience do. He sat. And he stayed. He agreed.
Thank God (you know the One who doesn’t hate white people) for more blessings like this one to come:
“Kevin Rodriquez is a superdelegate from the U.S. Virgin Islands. And he’s become the first to switch away from Obama and back to Clinton. It’s the second time he’s switched. Rodriquez won’t say why but says it’s his right and is about doing “what’s best for America.”
This wiser now man was sent a mailer exposing obama. Keep those Super Delegate Protest emails and faxes going!
WTF?!!! And, I’m Catholic! This would NEVER be condoned or accepted in my parish. These people are just HATERS masquerading behind the collar and the titles of Reverend. Disgusting.
Have you seen this video?
Malik Shabazz Reacts to Barack Obama and Rev Wright!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT6CefhYEqo
Everyone disgusted with the current DNC favored nominee selection, Obama, come join us. We are mostly HRC supporters who refuse to go along with the program. We are starting our own new party. We will use the Women’s Suffragists tactics to prevail.
To join us send an email to
newwomensparty@yahoogroups.com.
We are welcoming anyone who opposes hate speech to win campaigns in poltiics today as Obama has done and also used surrogates to attack HRC. We want everyone who feel disenfranchised and unrepresented by a deaf Congress and a deaf party. Let’s show them we are a force to be reckoned with and they will lose for sure if we quit them and walk out of the national convnetion.
I just copied your post and sent it out to everyone on my email list…
As did I…. Larry and Susan: you do wonderful work and give us hope.
I have always thought that one of the “limits” of the criminal mind is that most criminals are soo very self-centered and their worlds are limited by only what they can see FOR themselves. Considering this, it would not surprise me to realize that the Illiniois Combine (the nonpartisian political element in Chicago) ran with who and what they had in their hip pocket (Obama) only to realize that they had put up an uneducated fool. I think, Susan, it may be that the gaffes are multiplying so rapidly because so many of us are truly seeing him as someone who can’t answer questions which we all thought were simply basic to any educated person. Certainly to an anyone who simply aspired to the Senate, let alone the WH.
I have not begun to get over my shock and my anger at the DNC and it is so good to have you folks out there.
hi linda
yahoo kicked it back to me
remove the period after the word com, it did the same to me.
Pfleger not a legitimate Catholic priest. No Catholic would attribute such thoughts to someone at the pulpit. Pfleger is illegit, and he and Wright made these statements about Hillary only to gin up the base. The guy’s a pig. Archdiocese should expel the freak. Who is he? Vanilla Ice?
Although Pfleger has had problems with the Archdiocese, he is close to Obama and to Wright and other prominent political and social figures in Chicago. He is also the recipient of their money, and this, I believe, explains why he visited Trinity and engaged in demagoguery this weekend.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/saint-sabina-raises-the-roof-on-obamas-den-of-political-tricks-and-corruption/
Axelrod, Obama, Giannoulias and Daley have funneled money to Pfleger’s church. I guess Pfleger is now obligated to reciprocate the favor. Perhaps it is time to contact the Chicago Archdiocese, for this does not reflect well on their organization. Perhaps someone should also telephone the Vatican, for such indecorous behavior is unbefitting for a Catholic priest. Is this someone with whom you would sit in a confession booth? Is this person qualified to administer the sacraments?
Aha, and people actually think there ISN’T a Michelle Obama tape?
Is this video is any indication — God help them…
*If* this video is any indication…
Welcome to The Back Theology that his church believes in and BO said he believes in the church.
Link for Back Theology
http://www.wakeforest.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html
What about sending this to the IRS? Should this church get to keep their tax free status when it engages in disgraceful politicalizing from its own pulpit? I don’t know if that made sense or not…I am so disgusted by what I just saw. Anyway, aren’t churches supposed to be investigated or something if they campaign from the pulpit?
Ah, well that explains HIM. Cha ching!
Mmmmmmn, The Chicago Archdiocese?
Let me put it this way…. I used to work for a fairly known national organization with ties to the Catholic Church that helped children. Illinois donors would always inquire why we were not in Chicago. Whenever I asked anyone what I should reply they would roll their eyes. Eventually I got the the hint the Archdiocese there, – how can I put this delicately? Well let’s just say, it’s Chicago.
Perhaps, someone who knows the lay of the land there can shed some light. But it looks like you might be better served contacting the Vatcican directly. It strains credulity that the Archdiocese is not aware of Pfleger.
Thankyou Larry for contiuing to post about this Dangerous Philosophy and these dangerous Fascist activists….
Pfleger is a Diocesan Roman Catholic Priest under the authority of his Bishop and can be sanctioned if he acts against the authority of the Bishop or the Church. If Pfleger is a proponent of LIBERATION THEOLOGY this would be a BIG NO – NO ! The RCC has been combating the Theological Heresy of Liberation Theology for 40 years. BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY STEMS FROM LIBERATION THEOLOGY with the added component of RACISM…
1. Liberation Theology changes theologically the identity and salvational mission of Jesus and his Church…
2. Liberation Theology redefines the nature of Salvation of Christians as being gained through militant action of social justice.
3. Liberation Theology uses MARXIST SOCIALIST THEORY as the Ideal Model for obtaining Social Justice and Promotes Class War Fare and Collectivist Political Structures to replace existing Political, Social and Religious Structures…( A Direct Doctrinal Threat To The RCC’S Global Vatican Authority which is the cement of the RCC Universal Church . This promotes SCHISMS that harm the Church ) Similar schisms threaten the Anglican Church of England…
4.BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY DEFINES THE CLASSES IN MARXIST STRUGGLE RACIALLY….IT PROMOTES A RACE WAR AS SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ELEVATES AFRICAN DESCENDANTS AS SUPERIOR TO CAUCASIANS BY DEMONIZING CAUCASIANS….IT IS ALSO ANTI-SEMITIC….THIS IS FASCISM
5. Liberation Theology succeeds where Pure Marxism could not…By redefining the role of Jesus and the Christian Soldier to being militant Marxists Building the Kingdom of God on Earth through application of MARXIST SOCIO-ECONOMIC principles within every social structure. THIS IS THEOCRACY….A RELIGIOUS FORM OF FASCISM….
6. The Vatican has specific instruction on the role of Social Justice and applications that are appropiate theologically for Catholics working in countries in defense of the Poor against Tyranny…But it does not condone militantism and stresses that violence should only be used as a last resort when protecting the defenseless not as a call to revolution.
7. The Authors of Liberation Theology were sanctioned by the Vatican because in essence the Theology is in conradiction to Catholic Doctrine and heretical to the minimization of the Christology of Jesus in a theology that reduces Jesus to the role of political martyr and allows individual congregations to develope theological doctrine specific to local concerns, allowing for the errors of Christ’s historical identity and it’s relationship to theological development of universal christian doctine.
I would add more….Anyone that wants to find out more can go to The Catholic Encyclopedia…This is important because the recent history of El Salvador and Nicaragua are excellent examples of how Liberation Theology took hold and swept through those countries….Latin America shows how This philosophy allows two opposing factions Marxist/ Socialists and Christians to join together and wreak havoc….
Black Liberation Theology can unite Islam, Christians, Black Separatists and Marxist/Socialists into a common cause of MILITANT SOCIAL JUSTICE just as it did in Latin America….With the added definition of Marxist class struggle being a racial struggle it becomes FASCISM….
OBAMA IS A FASCIST….HE IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY…HE IS UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE….THESE ARE MARXIST/FASCISTS….
Chicago is the center of leftist Catholic Liberation Theology. From what I have read, the last Pope was not happy with these people and shut some of them up. (Interestingly, it was the current Pope who headed the office that was in charge of monitoring them.) I am surprised it is still going on. On the other hand, it was the radical right-wing, anti-semitic Father Coughlin who stirred things up in the ’30’s so maybe this is balance? The Church had a hard time silencing Coughlin because his bishop in Detroit supported him. (Bishops have some autonomy.) Eventually they did silence him, though. If this guy Pfleger gets a lot of publicity, maybe they will silence him, too. What a crackpot!
You are correct Bernie….Perhaps if a big stink is raised to the Vatican Pope Benedict will discipline…from what I’ve read he has zero tolerance of Liberation Theology as he sees it as theological heresy and Marxist threat to Vatican Authority…If the Pope saw it’s incursion northward he might act and he does have papal authority as Top Dog Bishop….
Cajun, I would imagine he’s a rogue priest that the diocese gave up on years ago. He’s got himself protected through fear of riots I am sure.
Yep.
Pfleger is Illegitimate if he is a proponent of Liberation Theology or it’s fascist form Black Liberation Theoloy…RCC has specific instuction on applications of social justice within the RCC and Marxist/Fascist Militant Bull Shit aint in the cathechism….
Amen to that! I agree, Pfleger should be excommunicated — he’s a disgrace.
This is f*cking pathetic. Preaching hatred. And to think people listen to this and believe it and thrive on in, including Obama. We know where Michelle gets her hatred and sense of entitlement from.
Savor the hate, Obama ‘08!
Someone needs to make a bumper sticker of this.
Seriously. That’s brilliant!
DONE! it was a quick & dirty design, but, here you go:
http://www.cafepress.com/gigglechick/5112889
enjoy :}
Gigglechick…Brilliant !….Fighting Fascism makes for good Art and excellent humor…when I get some extra doe I’m ordering…Love the It aint over till Oprah Sings…that’s a riot….chuckle…
Oh my God! The archdiocese needs to pull that asshole out of his parish. Perhaps send him to a monastery with a vow of silence for a year.
I have a better idea:
Let’s get Hillary nominated and send Obama, his whiney wife, and the rest of their circle of hateful, bigoted, criminal friends, mentors & cohorts back to the rock they crawled out from under.
ONE WORD…. DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!
What a tool….ingratiating himself before the AA community as if to say “I’m with you! I hate white people too!” Someone please tell me how this church manages to keep its tax exempt status when it clearly engages in political activism…
As if the Catholic Church wasn’t part of the “white power”. Give me a break.
If he really feels the way he preaches, he should renounce himself and his church.
Pfleger is very politically active in Chicago and probably adheres to Liberation Theology which has been repeatedly smacked down by the Vatican for 40 years…The vatican currently has a touchy relationship with the RCC in America and is a bit wary given recent developments in The Anglican Church of England which is fighting a schism over ideaology and threatens the central authority…The Archbishop of Cantabury. The American College of Bishops is powerful and politically activist and the Vatican disciplines carefully ( American Bishops are a tad too democratic and in a centralized universal church this can be a problem as American Bishops sometimes chafe under authority of Rome, but then again this is part of being Catholic…go figure )
I do know that from what I have read this Pfleger is one different kind of priest having been allowed to adopt boys…WTF ? and be very politically active, involved in the local poitical machine. As a Catholic I have’nt seen the equivalent from an anglo Priest. I will offer this. He is probably not allowed the opportunity to preach this way in a traditional Catholic Mass which is why he satisfies his ego at this church…Most traditional Catholics don’t go for this type of Preachin…a 8-10 minute homily that interprets the calendrical assigned scripture is standard and then it’s move on to the rest of the mass…Catholics don’t go to Mass to hear the Priest…They go to practice the sacrament of the Eucharist and scriptual instruction in accordance with the Universal Theological calender which culminates in Easter. This is why all Catholic Masses are universal and last about 60 min. The main diff is the Homily which is specific to the Priest celebrating the Mass…But even there Most Priests subscribe to instruction that ultimately comes from th Vatican. Catholic means Universal. The Church of Rome is the Oldest Continuous Institution in The Western World tracing it’s foundation to Jerusalem and Relocation of the Bishop’s See with the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD after the murder of the First Bishop of Jerusalem ( James ) in 67 AD. Catholic History states Apostolic succession began with the First Bishop of Rome
( Peter )….For those who are unfamiliar with Catholicsm…
PFLEGER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE LOUSY PREACHERS…chuckle….WHY BAPTISTS ARE BETTER AT IT AS THIS FIRE AND BRIMSTONE STUFF ORIGINATES WITH LUTHER AND CALVIN…imho
Friars and Monks are much better at it….historically speaking of course.
I called my church and told them I will donate until this Priest is removed.
actually armenian catholic church is the first continuous chuch but only by 80 years maybe– everything else you say i agree
I’m so revolted by everything surrounding Barack Obama.
I can’t believe that church–what NASTY people!!
Obama followers online are NASTY too!!
I’m so sick and tired of everything in this primary season. I’m furious. FURIOUS!
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!! Are you KIDDING ME!!!!???
Saints Preserve Us !….gigglechick….chuckle….( I have a personal fondness for catholic cussin….chuckle ) My mother’s favorite was JUDAS PRIEST !
Are you from the North East ? Everyone up there says that when I moved to Florida did not hear it that much.
This is my first post here at noquarter, (love this site!).
Now, I can see something is wrong on that tape, but I’m at work now and have NO SOUND!!
A quick recap of what he said please??? I’d hate to wait hours before I can hear it…. thx
Welcome. He is basically blaming all white people for slavery even the entitled whites of today. Hillary apparently is entitled to.
Cone the architect of Black Liberation Theology states that theology is not universal but tied to specific historical events.This is why Wright preaches in a non-denominational church. United Church of Christ recognizes NO DOCTRINAL DENOMINATIONAL AUTHORITY allowing each individual congregation to develop it’s doctrine…It is not protestant, catholic, etc….as it rejects any theological doctrinal authority which binds all denominations. All denominations within a theological sect conform to specific doctrines that bind the sects together. In protestantism these are decided within the authority of national or international confrences…example The Southern Baptist Convention which meets to decide on interpretation and practice of a universal Southern Baptist Doctrine and has corporate authority to sanction churches or preachers according to the denominational rules of the Convention. In Centralized Denominations the Authority stems from a Central Source who has absolute theological authority over governance of the church and Doctine. In the Anglican Church the Central Authority is the Arch Bishop of Cantabury. In the Roman Catholic Church it is the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. The Church of England is modelled on the Church of Rome in terms of this centrality of Authority and delegations of bishophrics throughout the world but it has key differences and is currently suffering from a schism that threatens it’s stability. One key doctinal problem is the Arch Bishop does not have the same gravitas of Theological Authority that the Pope does. The Pope doctrinally speaking is in a league all his own…historically speaking of course and this is part of the strength of until recently the Largest Religion in the World. This year is the first year where Islam has overtaken it in numbers but Islam has no central unifying Doctinal Governing Authority.
His “very good friend” is Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan as well.
Isn’t that special?
Oh man, lol, I am so pissed off.
They are united under a political philosophy that is essentially Marxist in origin…Social Justice. The Marxist Class Struggle is a Racial One.
Cone sees violent rebellion as transformative expresson of the humanity of the OPPRESSED….Looting and rioting as expressions of being…I wonder how Cone would feel if the OPPRESSED looted his home…
” There will be no Peace in America until White’s begin to hate their Whiteness…Asking from the depths of their being…How can I become Black ?….” Jeremiah Wright. Pastor of TUCC. ( Obama’s Ayatollah )
FASCISM REQUIRES UTILIZATION OF SCAPEGOATING AND DEMONIZING OF THE ENEMY….IN ORDER TO GALVANIZE MILTANTISM AND JUSTIFY OVERTHROW OF ESTABLISHMENT AND PERSUCUTION OF ENEMY…
(someone. find. that. michelle. obama. tape. NOW.)
Gorto:
He is making fun of Hillary crying (pretending to cry) and saying she was just crying because she was white and white people feel entitled, but then Barack Obama came along, etc.
He’s just being very mean, and putting up a big act with his phoney histrionics and yelling “DAMN!” and he’s just obviously filled with hatred and spite and clearly has some hatred for white people and self-identity issues.
It’s also disgusting to see a supposed priest act like that.
For Christs sake!!!!!!!!
And they are all standing up and applauding, disgusting.
Obama hasn’t left the church has he? Just ‘repudiated’ wright..
Obama should be asked if he condems this too!!
We should force him to repudiate his own church! This is disgusting.
ps. Thanks for replying kat!
Gorto, haven’t you heard? Obama is always absent when these “sermons” occur.
third time is a charm—-
I think it is too late for him to repudiate his church. He’s already thrown too many under the bus and the damage is done. I am furious with the DNC for not vetting this guy (note: Hillary kept saying that he was not vetted–I think she knows alot of this stuff and probably more)
I think her husband Bill heard a lot of stuff (he has friends in the black community, obviously). THat’s why early on in the campaign he said Obama is a “roll of the dice”
I was always taught that the first place the devil would go would be a church.
Looks like he has arrived at that church.
That is not a place that worships God and the wonderous glory of Him.
This is a church that teaches hate to all generations.
Yes.
The Antichrist will not come from OUTSIDE the church.
He will come from INSIDE, with false teachings, but will know ALL the right things to say to deceive.
Slicker-n-snot, the Antichrist.
John was chewing some fine payote when he wrote THAT book! NOT
lol (j/k)
Not a church just a hate filled lecture hall. These “churches” should lose their tax exempt status. IRS, take note.
He is playing to his audience and his demeaning attitude towards women is antithetical to current cathechism in the RCC which has sought to elevate the role of women in the laity and change historically anti-female bias of Priests towards women. ( It would not surprise me at all if Pfleger is one of those women hating hypocritical closeted gays… ) I have a gay brother and many Gay friends and unfortunately there is some mysogyny from SOME Gay Men just as there is in the general heterosexual male population…I’m just sayin’
*** MOMMY ISSUES ?… ( SIGH ) ***
Has anybody talked to his alter boys? Just saying.
that just nauseates me beyond words. fk that guy and those idiots who follow such whining bullshit.
Despicable. The hate emanating from that militant political organization that calls itself a church is shameful. It seems all they teach is hate and divisiveness, not what I learned in Church. So much hate, and he sat in that audience for 20 years. We know where Michelle Obama got her hate from anyway.
Chris:
I am only speaking for myself, but Barack Obama is the opponent of Hillary Clinton, and this is a pro-Hillary site. It is also Larry’s site and he can do whatever he wants on it. Furthemore, as you may or may not know, the media is in the tank for Obama and it has been the burden of the online community to educate Americans on who Barack Obama is, since he has not been fully vetted.
Furthermore, Obama is being pushed to be the potential US president and his business is now our business.
Also, Father Fleger, the hate-spewing “priest” in this video is on Barack Obama’s official website on his faith webpage. Pastor Wright was on the same exact page but was later removed. If Barack Obama promotes this man, Father Fleger, on his official campaign website and this man behaves in this offensive manner, then we should all know about it, and in fact it should be broadcast on all MSM.
Finally, this is the separatist black supremacist church of marxism black liberation theology by James Cone (kill any God that loves white people) that Barack Obama was immersed in for 20 years. This is a major concern, and it is pertinent information that needs to be shared with the American public.
Bravo kat.
” The Black intellectuals goal is to aid in the destruction of America as he knows it. Such destruction require both Black Anger and White Guilt.”
James Cone. Architect of Black Liberation Theology
That clinched it for me. I am going down ticket here in NC if Hillary is not the nominee. Kay Hagen is statistically tied with Dole. Hillary’s coattails would have helped Hagan now McCain’s coattails will help Dole as will I.
I am hoping that Hillary campaigns for Hagan and uses her list of NC supporters to help her out. Since it looks like Obama will be the nominee at least we will have something to work for. Dole is a terrible Senator. She hardly ever even bothers to visit the state. She is all about pleasing the men in the Republican party by raising money for them.
I’m so disgusted by this I’m crying. What is wrong with these people? Why is a man preaching sexism and hate from the pulpit and why are they clapping and standing and raising their hands to the sky as if in reverence to God?
How dare he speak about SENATOR and FORMER FIRST LADY Hillary Rodham Clinton in such a way?!?!
These people are worthless scum.
As a Sociology major, I can understand and mostly agree with the “white privilege” issue. But what he said about Senator Clinton was beyond the pale.
THESE are the people who “gin up” race hatred.
NOT Lou Dobbs.
” The Black Theologians Goal is to tell the story of American Oppression so powerfully and precisely….that White Men will tremble, curse and go mad because they will be drenched in the filth of their evil…”
James Cone. Architect of Black Liberaton Theology
In this Wright is practicing to the letter Cone’s avocation to demonize whites and the White Esablishment ( American Government ) even if he has to do this through lies such as the Urban Myth of US GOVT. ISSUE CRACK TO KILL OFF AFRICAN AMERICANS…or the distortion of facts like Tuskogee.
Nat. of Islam does this too and adds ANTI-ISAREALI/ ANTI-SEMITIC Rhetoric straight out of the Arabic modenization of The Protocols of Zion…
What binds these normally disparate groups is the philosophical Marxist Class Struggle redefined by Malcom X and Cone as RACIAL.
The reason a lt of Jews don’t trust Obama is they have seen FASCISM up close and personal…and that is what this is….no doubt about it.
Send it to Sean at Fox.
He will be on it like white on rice..(if you’ll forgive the expression)
He started the Rev. Wright thing by interviewing him and this ties right into it.
Did you see the congregation??? That church is a house of horrors.
Send this to everyone you know and ask them to do the same. Images speak louder than words.
We have all been sending this information to Fox and others for months. It’s plain as day that they are holding back this from the public permanently or until barky secures the nomination.
It’s pretty obvious that Hannity hates barky and we’ve all sent him info on barkys relationship to Ayers through The Chicago Annenberg Challange 8yrs of partnership. Yet he keeps coming up with they are friendly, thats it.
The day after barky gets the nomination (god I hope he doesn’t) Fox news will have a HUGE news event with all the information they just uncovered.
All the MSM had the Wright tapes for months before they “got out”. They weren’t supposed to.
Chris Are we once again to believe that the hate we see in the videos from Obama’s church are not an indication of how obama thinks about America. I am disgusted by the hatred I see. Taking a line from michelle Obama I’ve never been more disgusted about the left wing of our American political system as I’am today. I truly believe I’m living in Germany pre world war two.In those days the hatred was at the Jewish population with the brown shirts as the enforcers. Sound familiar. And by the way that comment does not imply a racist thinking.
Chris: What do you mean how crazy that sounds?
Which part is inaccurate?
Pastor Wright says he preaches black liberation theology by James Cone, which is marxist. What do you know about black liberation theology?
Trinity church itself is African-centric, with a non-negotiable committment to Africa, and a black value system, aimed at only black people and African people.
What’s your point Chris? You only catching up on this stuff now?
Hannity interviewed Pastor Wright nearly 1 1/2 years ago.
Well, that explains the motivation for Obama’s Global Poverty Act in the Senate.
It REQUIRES that 7% of our national GDP be given to the United Nations programs for “reducing poverty” around the world (translation: mostly in Africa).
That amounts to about $845 BILLION , spent overseas for the poor, and not spent AT HOME for our own poor, and under the control of the United Nations.
You think the REpublican party isn’t going to use that information in the general election, Chris?
That Mary is the tip of the iceberg….Obama will dismantle Democracy.
How can he do this ? Berlin 1933 and the Patriot Act in it’s current form gives him an added boost Hitler lacked.
Freaking frightening. These preachers deliberately incite their congregants. I hope the whole country gets to listen to that guy — from my lips to a 527’s ears. Sickening. Just sickening.
Is the IRS investigating this church for its ‘church and state’ issues?
The whole country will get to listen to that guy, he is 527 bliss.
For the good of the country, Obama must stopped by “All Means Neccessary”.
WoW A Republican attack man just refered to M.O. on
CNN. About her Rev.Wright style video. At 7:30 EST
Details please.
That was a disgusting display of utter depravity.
Really Stray?
Don’t get my hopes up.
how can you guys manage to sit through that kind of preaching? the fake soft voice, the eyes closed, the feigned agony…
Father Pfleger, by the way, hails from a white suburb of Chicago. His preaching style is an affectation he developed over almost 30 years of living in and ministering in the inner city of Chicago. It was funny at first to see him adopt a black dialect (as best he could), and still, if you see him in a more ‘normal’ setting he sounds like your average ‘white guy’.
I think his style of sermonizing is an embarrassing display–he looks and sounds like a fool.
He is a fool who needs to be defrocked and when the GOP turns this national…He probably will be as he places the entire diocesese in jeapordy ( at least from the IRS ) like Catholics need that…He will unite Catholics in OPPOSITION TO THIS LIBERATION THEOLOGY AND OBAMA.
I can’t believe that Obama considered Rev. Pfleger as one of his spiritual advisors and claimed that he helped maintain his moral compass in a April 5, 2004, interview with the Chicago Sun Times
http://comealongway.blogspot.com/2008/05/another-paster-spewing-hate-from-pulpit.html
Are there any photos of Obama with Pfleger?
Probably, but Obama does not deny being friendly with Pfleger. Obama has spoken at Pfleger’s church.
It is a big Catholic Church in Chicago with an almost entirely AA congregation…Probably chased Crackers and Hispanics away..
Larry,
I have too much faith in the American people. We tend to make our kids ‘Try on the shoes, pants and shirts’ before we purchase them. That way we do not need to go back to Target, Sears, and Jacques Chic Penny’s.
We kick the tires, check the oil content for grit and corrosion, give the wiring a once over – at least, before we turn over the cashier’s check from the Pipefitters Credit Union on that second car.
Looking under the hood, as you and your great crew of Democratic Patriots here at No Quarter have done, Americans will pass on Barack Obama no matter how the lobster appetizer crowd up at Mackinac Island whine and shout this Saturday.
Great stewardship, No Quarter, one and all!
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-barack-obama-post-turtle.html
Most Americans do not understand the nature of TUCC, because the media has failed to investigate it, AT ALL, and have not informed the public of the separatist basis of Obama’s church.
The new pastor, Rev Otis Moss has a sermon, available on You Tube, in which he compares his congregation to lepers in the Bible, as having a ’skin disease’ that causes them to be outcasts from the rest of the society. This is what has been going on at TUCC for 20 years – defeatism, psychological separation of blacks from the rest of America,and hostility toward whites. This is what Obama has tolerated and took part in by his attendance for 20 years.
The false Christianity of the White Opressor must be replaced by an authentic christianity fully identified with the poor and the oppressed…
This is foundational theological principle of Black Liberation Theology.
It redefines the historical Jewish Identity of Jesus to the detriment of Judaism and Biblical Israel and reduces the traditional Christology of Jesus and regresses Salvational Theory to the Militantism of the Middle Ages.
Ya he mentioned the “Whitie” videio. Cnn asked him about hillary being done he said he didnt think so. He said it would probable surface before the convention. I hope so
This video gives me an idea. My ancestors were too busy being oppressed by the British in Ireland to own slaves. They suffered for centuries at the hands of the British, so maybe I should try to get reparations from them. After all today’s Brits are enjoying the fruits of this oppression.
Of course if you follow this idea to its logical conclusions everyone who buys things made in third world countries are benefitting from the exploitation of workers in those places, so we all would have to pay.
I`m British and I think we should sit down and have a pint and talk about how stupid SOME of our ancestors were. lol
If you follow the justification of reparations…It all goes back to at least the Romans….Now Uppity and her ancestors depending on whether or not they were client Italian natives…( if so they are owed reparations if not granted citizenship ) OR…If Uppity’s ancestors were Roman Citizens then theoretically it is Uppity’s ancestors who owe all us Tribal Heathens and Barbarians of the West BOOCOUPS OF MONEY !….I say this in jest and thought Uppity would appreciate the absurdidty…
THE ROMAN EMPIRE CIVILIZED AND UNIFIED THE WESTERN WORLD…OFTEN THROUGH BRUTAL CONQUEST AND DOMINATION BUT ALL IN ALL IT’S MUCH BETTER TO FOCUS ON THE PRESENT AND THE MANY GOOD THINGS THAT RESULTED….and I’m descendent of rascal potato IRISH who fled the attempted genocide of my own Catholic Irish Kin by another Empire….Such is the way of Empires…imho
yes Bernie
our Irish ancestors had to hang on to the side of the ships that were going to Barbados after we were taken off our land by the Brits, we couldnt get seats in the hold with the AAs b/c as whites we were worthless since they couldnt sell us, some of us hung on al the way and now some Barbadians are dark with Irish surnames..
where is my land grant my ancestors were Lords of Tir Mac Carhein..
but now we are responsible for slavery
and Alice Walker wrote in the Guardian all white women born in America have inherited racial guilt, no I dont think so…
well Michelle Omarosa Uhhbama?
unreal
the video is gone. the obama patrol must have had it removed. it seems that rvery no quartere vid is taken down – wonder why?
only 500 people saw this vid – and it should be up on a loop on the cable shows…
oh what a year…and i thought it couldnt possibly get any worse than 2000….
Video is alive and well…well, I dunno about well.
Seymour, nothing on the net is ever REALLY gone.
So this is a “priest”? Let’s see, my ancestors are Irish and Scots, and because I’m white, I’m entitled? OK with that. I work two jobs, my 401K is a joke and I can barely afford to pay for my house, keep gas in my ten year old truck, and pay for food and oil. But this catholic priest thinks I owe the AA community something? What the obamabots don’t get is that Rove and his henchmen are going to use this and Wright and Michelle Obama’s words in attack ads. I think the title of the first one will be “Twenty Years” with sound bites and a video montage of Wright, BO, and assorted other loonies together smiling with a voiceover repeating “Obama listened to this for over twenty years” over and over in a 30-60 second ad. It will be powerful. I really think Senator Clinton didn’t attack on this point enough if at all. She should have. The republicans will, with glee and delight.
In case you haven’t noticed, she isn’t allowed to criticize him. On anything. It is out of bounds. Not permitted. It is racist. It is bad form. It is not done. While on the other hand, there is nothing too awful or other worldly that he or his campaign cannot allege (see Carville video). If you want to live in a nation where free speech becomes even more under attack, by all means, vote for Barack. But if you have always valued speaking your mind without having simple every day words nuanced, then you might want to reconsider it …
If somebody wants what I worked for, they can go to work and take the shit I took and earn it just like I did. They can pay for their own Goddamn education with their earnings just like I did. I wasn’t poor enough for any freebees. You want what I have? Do the work and make the sacrifices. Otherwise…. Over. my. dead. body.
Besides, if we owe ANYTHING to ANYBODY, it’s the Native Americans. As for my 401k, it’s nobody’s goddamned business. It’s mine and I am keeping it. Furthermore, I plan to remain in a democracy and have no intention of letting Marxists take over my country OR my party.
This too shall pass folks.It’s been tried before by these Marxists and it has failed before, just like it will fail now.
You bet. Out of my cold dead hands.
Sen. Clinton has been painted by the media as devisive for most of her career…she wisely chose not to engage in this as the truth of matters tend to come forth in a republic like ours….she did’nt need to…
Its a good thing I cannot afford another laptop computer right now or this
one would go flying.
What the hell kind of church are they? ahhh the anti christ!
never , in a million years- will I vote for obama, because YOU ARE judged
by the company you keep and the church values your church spews,
why did he never quit that church????? we all know why , even if he thinks
we’re stupid.
please Hillary put it on the line, and run as an independant, we have your
back- or its mccain for me!
The nomination is going to the convention. I’m glad too because it is the right thing to do. Obama’s electability must be viewed in a more serious light than the media has been willing to do, and taking it to convention can allow that to happen.
A good read on this topic
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1852
nicely said. It’s exactly because it’s the right thing to do ,that Hillary will take it to the convention. She will be blamed for BO loss anyway and if all this ” hurts” what the Dem elite has done to the party, all well and good.
I honeslty hope this goes to the convention, we cannot let Obama get this nomination. This hatred from the pulput is nothing new, and it is rampid in the northest part of the country. I grew up there, and they are many with these very same views. It’s just that now we have Obama, running for president, so it has finally been shown to the rest of the compnay and the world. But I have known about this for a long time. If you grew up in the northeast, you probley new about this kind of hatred. I can remeber seeing this as a young kid going to school…….
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
That didn’t look like the teachings of Jesus to me.
Insanity is a very sad and difficult thing to look at. I hope those people can find peace and love in their hearts some day.
Black Liberation Theology is not Christianity.
Can I get an Amen !!!!
You are correct…MOST CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS RECOGNIZE IT AS A CHRISTIAN HERESY….EVEN THE BAPTISTS WOUDN’T TAKE WRIGHT AND GIVE HIM A CHURCH….THAT’S WHY HE’S AT TUCC…It recognizes no denominational authority….
Actually, this Pfleger “sermon” is pretty mild. If one reads the source material on black liberation theology, one finds that the mere fact of being born caucasion makes one guilty of currently oppressing blacks.
My parents, for example, didn’t even immigrate to the U.S. until 1916 (father, as an infant) and 1946 (mother, as a young woman) so my ancestors were never involved in the American era of slavery (and considering where they immigrated from in Europe, were not likely to be European slave traders, either). However, under black liberation theology, since I am caucasion of European ancestry, I am the “beneficiary of slavery” and therefore guilty of currently oppresing all blacks in the United States, regardless of whether they themselves are descendents of slaves or are the product of post-slavery immigration, like I am.
Don’t believe me? Read Cone yourself. And then decide whether you want a President that believes this, or at the very least is willing to raise his children this way in order to punch his Chicago political tickets.
TUCC is representative of an estimated 25% of AA churches…TUCC IS NOT MAINSTREAM….Most AA churches are traditionally Baptist and although politically active in Comunities adhere to Baptist Doctrine…
Irrelevant. TUCC is representative of the religious philosphy of a candidate for the Preseident of the United States. I am not concerned about what the majority of AA’s believe. I am concerned about what Barack Obama believes. He has been a member of this church for over twenty years and still actively supports it. He and his wife choose to raise their children listening to the likes of Rev Pfleger and others and watching their fellow churchgoers approve of and applaud what he says from the pulpit. This is what American voters should be aware of and take into consideration.
I was stating a fact from Bishop Jackson a noted academic scholar and theologian who chronicles the History of the African American churches and the development of traditions and community involvment….Not defending TUCC
where do i sign up to work for johnny mccain?
it seems that no matter what happens to expose obama, the puppetmasters control the outcome.
the manchurian in the empty suit still continues to ramble and bump into walls.
now, who has that kind of power? surely they never show their faces. we only see their surrogates like Howard Dean and the Dem elite . my conspiracy wondering head is spinning.
this is truly a manipulated democracy.
obama will not, no matter how he ends up spinning this travesty, ever have my vote. and that goes for john k, and teddy k. in my home state of Ma.
Me too silver fox, here in the People’s Rupublic of MA we have to endure one of Obama’s minions as governor, and he’s doing such a great job.
I too am from the peoples republic of Ma
Bambi’s pal the present Governor makes me long for the previous governor and I could not abide him.
i wonder if bambi godforbid becomes potus if i will long for the days of bush 43…
this gets curiouser and curiouser
Not even his superduperdelegate endorsements from your state could save ob from the voters learning to “just say no” to Axelrod.
The Mass voters will say no in November too.
Another “Axelrod Productions” candidate is out of the question for your state.
Nothing will convince me that Kerry and Kennedy don’t know better and have promoted this sham despite his obvious enormously dangerous lies.
They must have had millions paid into their retirement fund by the obamamachine and if so they are traitors to their country.
I agree Karen . I feel Ma will go either Clinton or McCain no way will they vote for bambi
I cannot find anyone family ..friends.. people in stores.. hair salons registry of motor vehicles doctors office etc etc…that is voting for bambi ..not that its all that scientific but sheeesh.. usually there is at least one person ready to vote differently..not now ,not obambi hopefully not ever.
Tell me: do you think John Kerry will be re-elected when his time comes? And what about Kennedy’s seat? which he has “willed” to his wife?
Kerry is not in anyones good graces in MA as a general rule…but Dems here are really ticked and I think he can be overthrown by the electorate .The republican running is x military and the brother of the pilot of the 9/11 plane that went down in PA..He’s quite presentable and has been campaigning for a while now .Kerry will just walk in and expect to be sent back to the Senate..I hope he gets thrown out on his pompous ass for going against our 12 point victory for Hillary.As far as Kennedy, who knows..I hope it is Bobby’s son Joe He is a good man.
“if bambi godforbid becomes potus i will long for the days of bush 43…”
Maybe this is the real underlying reason for Barack Obama: to help George Bush ride off into the Texas sunset, cowboy hat and all, plan his presidential library and transform his presidency into one of the greatest in the history of the US.
BARF!!!
Kevin, you folks in Mass recognized a recyced Deval Patrick right off. I give you guys credit for handily trashing him. This may be the first year in history that the Bluest State in the Nation turns red.
Thanks Uppity,
I live in Middleboro and while the casino deal Coupe Devalle was working for went down in flames, he was signing a book deal in NYC. Some leader. Cast from the same cloth as Obama.
Well then folks, keep fighting, off to a meeting.
In a fair and unbiased Primary election, the Deval Patrick/Barack Obama comparison would have been a legitimate news story from the msm.
Amen Amen
It will not be baby obama blue that is for sure.
CNBC Walt Mossberg live just reported Murdoch endorsed Obama and when he asked if he had anything to do with the NY Post endorsement Rupert said yes. He doesnt like McCain
I knew it, we need Hillary to stay in to the convention!!
http://WWW.JOHNMCCAIN.COM
I would wait to see what happens.I will not vote or follow in line with Obama or our democratic party leaders!
I am a Hillary all the way.I will go McCain as well. Obama said that he will get Hillary’s supporters.but the questions is will she get the Obama supporters.He is so full of it.Why isn’t the media of MSNBC repoting this-Why is are democratic party leaders lettinfg this go on and not doing anything about it?
I am sure they know about this.but, for some reason they are making it hard on Hillary and McCain why?
How deep are they in it with Obama?How much are they getting paid and has taken.I know that Obama has giving grannt money as Obama requested it for his friends and his friends gave Obama a kickback on the grant he helped get them.Who aprove the grants?
I am sticking with Hillary all the way.I am sure this will come out.but,I also think it has to come out now so the remaining can see all this.
Will Mr. Johnson be doing a review of “THE FELLOWSHIP.” That would be interesting!
http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm
Mr Johnson has already reviewed Lord of the Rings: he gave it two thumbs up!
My Quaker abolitionist ancestors are rolling in their graves.
How does constantly wallowing in hatred toward whitey help the black community?
My Scots-Irish abolitionists ancestors are rolling in their graves , too.
After all, it was the WHITE church members who led the abolitionist movement, and died on behalf of freeing slaves.
Do I get reparations from the Black community on behalf of my ancestor who died on their behalf?
Send me a check, Michelle Obama.
Our ancestors dedicated their lives to the cause of abolition. They had nothing to gain from it personally and did it at considerable risk, yet they are smeared with the same stain as slaveowners merely because they were white.
If that’s not racism, I don’t know what is.
I come from German and Cherokee roots, some of my ansestors, were on the “trail of tears” and many died. I do not blame all whites for that… Why should I? It is time that the blame game ends…. All this hatred does is fester and cause more problems between the races. It is not my fault or any other americans fault that slavery happened, just as the trail of tears is not every americans fault….. If I and my family got over the past, then they should to…..
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
I’ve said this a dozen times on this board and I don’t mind saying it again. If this country owes ANYBODY ANYTHING, it’s the Native Americans. Nobody else even has a right to complain when you compare. And still, Native Americans always give back to the community instead of spewing hatred and threats everywhere like we are seeing right now.
This is just so awful. I am appalled on so many levels – as a woman, as a Democrat, as an American, as a Catholic, as a Clinton supporter, and as an academic with a Ph.D. who studies American politics (no order – just a list of all the ways that sermon bothered me).
But to be honest, the problem is NOT Trinity Church or Rev. Wright (They are consistent and they are who they are – black liberation theologists – and one sign that you are living in a healthy democracy is that you are offended on a daily basis – so I guess I still live in a democratic country!).
The real problem is how INCONSISTENT Obama has been about his relationship to Wright and the Church. It has changed at least five times (2007 – couldn’t do the invocation at BO’s presidential announcement, but still on his religious advisory board; 2008 – “not controversial,” then “like a crazy uncle,” then someone he “could not disown,” then he “renounced” him, but still didn’t leave the church). Oprah left the church after two years of membership – why couldn’t Obama?
In short, we know what Trinity Church is about and we know who Rev. Wright is. What we don’t know – and the MSM fails to investigate – is who Obama is.
Michele-
I’m with you. My ancestors were from Ireland. They worked tirelessly for a better life. My husband and I work now to give our children a better life. I am not owed anything by anyone nor do I owe the black community. We are very active in local charities. I believe it is the right thing to do. How dare anyone accuse me or my family of not doing enough. I have been a Catholic my entire life and I have never heard a priest like that. Making fun of Hillary was way over the line.
Back in the days of the potato famine, Irish emigrated here only to be met with signs saying “no irish” when looking for work or housing.
This is why FASCISM IS SO DANGEROUS…IT GENERALIZES AND SCAPEGOATS….A COMMON FASCIST TOOL…
I’m with you as well.
Flake, Wrong and Mossy are NOT men of God.
They are a trinity of evil hatred.
Horrified by all three of them and for their congregants who let this filth into their lives.
This filth is contrary to agape love and sacredness.
Larry, you’ve always been a Payne in the ass even when I try to say the Wright thing! No worries. By the Power of my words, I will just Kerry on bamboozling these suckers! Ha ha.
More videos, more reprehensible talk. Like the ginzu knife commerical says: “But wait -there’s still more!” And we will see it all.
If Obama wins the nomination (and that’s by no means settled) I will work hard to make sure he doesn’t get elected as CIC. He’s a danger to our country.
Heck, I may move in with relatives in Chicago and work against him in his next Senate race.
Hillary 2008
Call me when you get here Arabella. I’ll be glad to help. While we’re at it, maybe we can find someone to run against Daley and Stroger.
How very interesting that the very example of white privilege and female suppression , Father Pfleger, has a free ride in this church. Hearing a Catholic priest refer to a woman with venomous disrespect is hardly a ground-breaking experience. To those of us who reject male privilege, his hypocrisy is obvious. To those of us familiar with the world-wide suppression of indigenous people by the Catholic church, his hypocrisy is obvious. I wonder quite literally who Father Pfleger thinks he is?
Fernschild, I am Catholic and although I’m respectful of your opinion and the right to express it; I will just add that as a Catholic the oppression you speak of is changing and has been steadily. In other words Catholics do good things too and The largest Charitable Organization in the World is Catholic Charities….It’s not as if Catholics need idiotic priests like Pfleger, I hope he is Defrocked and Excommunicated…But please don’t lump us all together as we are trying to work out the problems in the church…I don’t lump Wright and Bishop Jackson together just because they are both AA preachers….see what I’m sayin ?
Being a Catholic is so difficult. There is so much I love about the Catholic church and the good works, love and kindness, the history, good and bad, the music and art it inspired…but then there are times I could just scream. Tour the Vatican sometime and then try and tell me you couldn’t feed a lot of hungry people with all that beautiful art. Being a woman and being Catholic is even harder. Always feeling like a second class citizen in my own church just because I’ve got a set of ovaries. Nevermind that if it wasn’t for a women (Mary Magdelyn) there would be no Catholic Church. But this guy..Pfleger…he disgusts me on so many levels. I just don’t get it. THIS WHOLE REV. WRIGHT/OBAMA/TRINITY CHRURCH MESS should be what breaks the deal for ALL members of the left wing of the party. When Bush was voted into office with the help of the Evangelicals, folks like KOS and Huffington, and other lefties, myself included, screamed “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!” At the top of our lungs. And rightly so. But where are they now and why isn’t this being addressed. They screamed when right wing churches talked politics at the pulpit, but yet remain silent here. Why? Maybe it’s the Percocet kicking in but the hypocricy is astounding.
I just watched this video and I realized something. I’m not sure who the first choice was for the Republican leadership but they ended up with McCain. Assume for the sake of argument they would have preferred someone more conservative. They ended up with someone more moderate and McCain probably has the best chance of winning. My point is the process, and not the leadership chose the best candidate.
In spite of the punditry stating otherwise, Hillary will be our nominee. And she is a centrist with the best chance of winning the White House. The Democratic leadership should take a look at what happened with McCain and get off this unrealistic notion Obama is still a viable candidate. This long election process has revealed to us the amazing candidate Hillary, clearly not the choice of the DNC. The Democratic leadership needs to stop looking this gift horse in the mouth if they want the presidency. The RNC are rallying behind McCain. Its time for the DNC to rally behind Clinton. Perhaps they are doing so behind the scenes that is, if they have not gone totally mad.
I am getting a kick out of watching the Obamabots dance around Obama’s affiliations. They clearly care more about idol worship than reality to still back Obama. Watch that video if you have not seen it.
I’ve always wondered at which million $$$$ point did Michael Jordan stop regretting that his people were forced to come over here? As Michael looks at all the enormous opulence that fame has provided him because he is successful American, does he wish none of it had happened?
Cindy,
I’m an AA Hillary supporter and I resent that argument because it is malicious in intent. The Middle Passage was a barbaric journey which threw human beings into the bowels of ancient slave ships, chained, packed/stacked like sardines where they laid in their own excrement, vomit, often side-by-side with the dead, as they endured a 6 month journey away from their native lands, culture, language and most important, family and personal relationships. Upon arrival, they were then forced into slave labor, and other heinous acts like forced breeding as if they were livestock. Many AA female slaves were repeatedly raped. Mothers and families were torn apart for no other reason than economic benefit.
The ultimate outcome of the ancestors of these original slaves subject to such a holocaust, is in no way a justification. No amount of Michael Jordans, or Oprah Winfreys will ever validate the evil that was slavery whose footprints are all over the black community today among the underclass of generationally poor and ignorant who still have difficulty coping in modern society after over 150 years since the Emancipation Proclamation.
But let’s venture another supposition: would the original white inhabitants have been able to build America to its identical greatness without slavery and the subsequent unofficial slavery that still exists today in the form of illegal immigration and the pitifully low wages paid to these immigrants?
I’m sure your ego and pride deems it possible, since Michael Jordan’s wealth in your mind trumps anything that slaves and their descendents suffered just to get to one rich basketball superstar.
Although I agree that Obama and his campaign have irresponsibly played the race card accusing anyone who won’t vote for him as being racist, I think remarks like this bring to the surface the very question of racist attitudes at their core and only give legitimacy to Obama’s claim. So much so, that the Democratic Party is willing to be the sacrificial lamb for his candidacy. It’s a grave mistake to confuse the real issue of racism with the bogus machinations of Barack Obama’s, thus far, very effective strategy to exploit race for political gain. Remember, he is following the Harold Washington political playbook which states such and every time you yield to the baser instincts of what may be your own latent racism another Obama Super Delegate gets his wings and moves over to his camp.
The better comments on this thread are the heartfelt honest ones that ask: what place does such hateful rhetoric have in any church? How does defeatism, psychological separation and hostility towards whites aid the AA cause? How can AAs expect to have a real dialogue about race when such an ideology does exactly what AAs complain that whites do to them: paint us with a broad stereotypical brush? There are a lot of legitimate responses. And I’m certainly horrified that any man/woman who deems themselves an agent of God would behave in such an ungodly way. When did ministers sink to this level? They might as well be gang bangers.
I find Obama’s church to be a disgrace. But to me, this Wright, Pfleger, Moss stuff is having little to no effect in helping Hillary secure the nomination. We need a bigger pan to fry Obama and this aint’ getting’ it! Yes, it’s what’s available, but surely, with all the other suspicions surrounding this man and worthy of attention, somewhere, somehow, somebody’s got to know something and has the proof. I’m looking forward to that revelation.
mimi, as always you put things in such real perspective. You should be writing for NQ just to help us keep our ducks in a row when we become insensed. I know I have said that before, but I am going to keep saying it. We really NEED you to put things in perspective when we get so angry at one man and his campaign that we forget that he is not necessarily a realistic part of the Whole — but instead is an insult to the Whole. Because this man threatens to set both gender and racial relations back by decades, I once again say to you, WRITE woman, WRITE!
I second that…Mimi ou have a direct and concise style especially when offering opnion on complex issues….Obama is a sham manipulating the real concerns…Most fascists are…It’ snot s if Adolf gave a shit about the misery of the average German…He was’nt even German but Austrian and sucessfully weedled his way into political office, seized his party, burned down a couple of buildings and FASCISM WAS BORN.
Get my drift….The similarities are alarming and Adolf was a rock star who came out of nowhere too….
Sadly Uppity, he’s already set race and gender relations back decades.
He’s a PIG! And I can’t say it loud enough. I have such contempt for this man!!!
I will write something! I realize I have no alternative I’m so angry!!!
Get over yourself, Mimi. I’m on your side.
I am of Native American heritage. End of discussion.
Fuck you Cindy,
That’s like saying Native Americans should have protected their land better from the white settlers and I certainly don’t believe that. And if you do, then shame on you!
Nothing about any rich AA’s wealth now justifies slavery. Just like nothing about Europeans usurping Native American land does either. Just because it’s a done deal and we can’t change history doesn’t mean we can’t tell it like it is.
You must be one self-hating American Indian bitch! You clearly can’t take criticism. That’s the problem. Your argument is WRONG! No amount of your telling me to get over history is going change that.
So fuck off!!!!
Mimi,
I was commenting on the priest in the video tape and his vituperative assault on rich white people.
I’m sad that you hijacked my comment, took it out of context and turned the focus on yourself.
Peace.
NO! We’re not on the same side if you’re asking me to get over history. That’s like saying Native Americans should have done a better job protecting their land.
Nothing about any rich AA’s wealth today justifies slavery. Just like nothing about Europeans usurping Native American land does either. Just because it’s a done deal and we can’t change history doesn’t mean we can’t tell it like it is.
How much Native American heritage are you boasting? 1/32? Or am I being too generous. It can’t be much more since you can’t seem to get your mind around the maliciousness of your own argument. The problem is you clearly can’t take criticism. Your argument is WRONG! No amount of you telling me to get over history is going change that.
So fuck off!!!! And now I’m through with your ass!
Mimi,
I was not justifying slavery.
You need to write productively, and vent your anger appropriately.
I’m sure you’re a very nice person, and I forgive you for what you said about me.
Peace.
It’s particularly shocking to see a priest representing himself as part of the Catholic Church make such offensive remarks because Catholics in Ireland and many from Scotland as well, were sold into slavery in the 1600s by the dictates of England’s Queen Elizabeth and Oliver Cromwell, because they were Catholic.
Hundreds of thousands of Irish and Scottish slaves–none of whom ever returned to Ireland–suffered a hideous fate through slavery. In fact, more Irish Catholics were sold into slavery in Virginia, Barbadoes, South America and the Caribbean than African Americans during that brutal century. So, as a Scots-Irish descendent of a people who suffered hideous abuses for their Catholic religion, I’m truly and deeply offended by Black Liberation Theology. Using religion to espouse hatred has been the source of the worst crimes against humanity in history. On the basis of his 20-year-association in this church alone, Barack Obama is unacceptable to me as the President of the United States.
To Hell or Barbadoes: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland
by Sean O’Callaghan
You are correct bmc…I also like the book How The Irish Saved Civilization which outlines how peculiar Irish Catholicism was in relation to the Roman Church…By the Way…
The term Hill Billy originated in Irish slang to describe Protestant Scots that England used ( in the Roman Formula ) to colonize Ireland and they were usually given the elevated choice lands…thus Hill denotes location and Billy denotes affiliation with William of Orange = HILLBILLY…chuckle…The term Scots-Irish is peculiar to America and was adopted by Protestants to avoid the intense descrimination suffered by the Catholic Irish in America…
My father’s anscestors are a healthy mix of Shanty and Lace Curtain Irish which could only happen in America…chuckle…Working class none the less….thought you might enjoy that…
**** You had to love it when Brave Heart shouts Erin go Braugh ! Gibson…What a Putz ! ****
The Scots-Irish were not Catholics. Nowadays the Scots Irish are called Ulstermen.
or the dreaded Orangemen in the Pubs….
yes Cromwell killed millions of our people b/c we were Papists, put childrens heads on pikes and laughed and laughed
but Ireland got him in the end
he died of malaria he got there…
karma baby
and then Charles II came back with the Restoration
the Universe will right itself in the end, things are out of balance big time, and Obama needs his comeuppance…
MORONIC OBAMA AD ALERT:
HE WAS BORN ON AN ISLAND–HOW ORIGINAL!
I was born at home. In the kitchen. Funny, I can’t cook. Being born on an island? so what?
Here’s one, Barry, tell’em that you were “born of a woman” and thus understand women just as well as Hillary does. Use “the Voice,” it ought to work on the masses.
I just got off the phone with the Archdiocese of Chicago. Fr, Pfleger makes me sick! I am a Catholic and this idiot is beyond the pale.
I called the Vicar for Priests office- they are the folks who are in charge of disciplining priests. She tells me that Bishop George is aware of Pfleger and the best move is to voice concerns to Pfleger himself and to the Vicar for priests.
The approach I used with sister is that I understand the Church’s option for the poor and also believe that the Vatican put a stop to priests teaching liberation theology because of the violence it promotes. I am sure Fr has done remarkable work for the poor blh blh blh but I believe he is doing great harm to the Church by his web prescence ranting and raving in Wright’s church. The Catholic Church has enough trouble with the aftermath of the child abuse scandal and we do not need Pfleger giving people mroe reasons to distrust the Church.
Contact info
Vicar for Priests
Fr. Costello
vcostello@archchicago.org
Please flood his inbox with e-mails and this video
Fr. Pfleger
St Sabina Parish
1210 W. 78th Place
Chicago, IL 60620
And here is the crackpots e-mail
pastorpfleger@ameritech.
By the way- the church’s web-page is disturbing
http://www.stsabina.org
Way to go…Of Course you could also go higher….Raise a stink all the way to the VATICAN….all you need to do is mention the political activity and LIBERATION THEOLOGY !….That will get the attention of the Vatican and it was our new Pope who took these Marxists starting 40 years ago…POPE BENEDICT HAS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR LIBERATION THEOLOGY…ZERO !
Don’t be so sure Obama will lose if nominated. I think it will be the fight of our lives to keep him out of the WH.
As honest people we expect to be able to make reasonable predictions about how events will occur based on our own honesty and our belief in the honesty of others. The people supporting Obama are not honest and do not feel the need to be, but they are powerful.
The festering sore that is Chicago politics and Universities gave us Straussian neo-cons (it is ok to lie to stupid people), Alinsky (don’t know much about this – divide and conquer?). What else is waiting it’s chance to crawl out of that cesspool? Con ED? Have you noticed ads on TV about the benefits of nuclear power, ads in your home town paper – I have.
So instead of Hillary’s green initiates to provide hundreds of thousands of American jobs and in both labor and research and millions of American homes becoming small, non-polluting. self sufficient power plants we will have two or three huge nuclear power plants, probably mostly run by robots.
Maybe more then two or three, after all power can be exported. We will all get to have huge ugly nuclear plants by our houses releasing nuclear waste freely and Tierra del Fuego will have lights and probably t-shirt factories.
I think everyone needs to consider that depressed conservative turnout and depressed dem base turnout combined with Uhhbama manufacturing the votes of the deceased and homeless could allow him to win
please vote, please dont write in or stay home
better yet SUPPORT HILLARY ALL THE WAY TO DENVER AND THE WHITE HOUSE..
send her $8.26 today as a message to stay in to the convention 8/26th, your donation will be doubled today
hillaryclinton.com
GOP please wake up, Murdoch is officially announced for Uhhbama now, please dont let this guy get a shot at the WH…release the hounds now…
You know, if I were black, I think I’d be highly offended if some white dude came into my “Church” and put on a faux “black preacher” routine. But that’s just me, I think it’s vulgar when whites caricature blacks like that.
It plays into Cone’s theory of Collective White Guilt…Pfleger gains legitimacy through this admission of the guilt….The formula relies on two essentials Black Anger and White Guilt and the manipulation of both…
Ah, the famous Father Michael Pfleger, who is the pastor of St. Sabina’s Catholic Church in Chicago. He is so in love with himself that his sermons at his own church are available via streaming video on the St. Sabina’s website here:
http://a.saintsabina.org/index.php?o…d=42&Itemid=70
As a Catholic, I am so revolted by this man that I can’t even watch them. That the Archdiocese of Chicago allows this man to be a priest is beyond reason. He is hate filled, horrid, egotistical and seems to have the same diseases as Rev Wright, including loving to hear himself speak, and needs to be defrocked.
If you would like to e-mail this jerk and tell him what you thought of that performance at TUCC, here’s his e-mail address:
pastorpfleger@ameritech.net
If you would like to contact the Archdiocese of Chicago and tell them they need to get their Diocese in order, here is the link to their contact info on their website:
http://www.archdiocese-chgo.org/contact.shtm
Pfleger is so entrenched in the political machine he probably blackmails the Arch Bishop of Chicago….HE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SHOULD BE DEFROCKED AND EXCOMMUNICATED AS A HERETIC….BURN IN ETERNAL HELL AS A HERETIC…He disgraces the Church and as if we don’t have enough problems we are working to overcome….imho…HE IS LITERALLY A JUDAS PRIEST BETRAYING THE CHURCH OF ROME…
contact these Holy Orders to get Pflegler off the pulpit
as a Ctholic I am incensed by this man:
Contacting Vatican Officials
To contact the Pope, write to:
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
00120 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
E-mail: benedettoxvi@vatican.va
If your bishop isn’t doing his job, contact:
Giovanni Battista Cardinal Re
Prefect, Congregation for Bishops
Piazza Pio XII, 10
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4217
In case of liturgical abuse, contact:
Francis Cardinal Arinze
Prefect, Congregation for Divine Worship and Sacraments
Piazza XII, 10
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4368
In case of bad catechesis, contact:
Dario Castrillon Cardinal Hoyos
Prefect, Congregation for the Clergy
Piazza Pio XII, 3
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4136
For problems with Catholic schools, universities, and seminaries, contact:
Zenon Cardinal Grocholewski
Prefect, Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries
Piazza Pio XII, 3
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4156
For the Ecclesia Dei Commission, contact:
His Eminence Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos
President, Commision Ecclesia Dei
Plazza del S. Uffizio 11,
00120 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Let’s all send him an email declaring him excommunicate and anathema.
I don’t think the Michelle Obama tape is needed.
This one does the trick.
My only wonder is: is Trinity Church more sexist than racist?
Or is it more racist than sexist?
Contact the Archdiocese, and ask to speak with the Vicar of Priests. Also ask to submit a complaint to the Cardinal.
312.751.8200
THIS PISSES ME OFF. My husbands Grandfather has spent his life in Joilet ILL preaching to a whole black church. HE is a 70 something white guy. Their church is a christian church. He is a republican and is a loving helpful man. He has taken in many black family in need. His members are so upset that the media are acting like all black churches in Chicago are like this. I am upset that Trinity blasts “white people” when our grandpa, a white man, has built up a church in a black community, mentored a young black man to take over and is now preaching at another developing church on the south side of Chicago. Their church is a christian church in a black community. Trinity is not a christian church, it is a seperatist black liberation theology afro-centric church that spreads hate!
Will Cnn talk about this crazy rev. too. They blasted McCain when McCains situation wasn’t like Obamas. Sorry, McCain didn’t sit in Hagee’s church for 20 years. Hillary’s campaign needs to say Obama needs to reject this guy!
He should relax. Nobody believes that this church is representative who has any real contact with the AA community. That’s silly thinking.
Also, this issue of reparations for AA’s. What is Obambi’s official position? As far as I know (I may be wrong) he’s never addressed it. All bloggers and press people should demand an answer. Getting him to respond will be devastating for him, as it should be. Its another arrow in the Repub quiver, so it may as well be brought out now. Keep asking that question!
In Chicago Politicians learn it is alright to lie to stupid people (Strauss), ok to scapegoat and incite riots to achieve your goals (Cone, Alinsky). There is no reason to expect Obama to tell the truth about anything he is questioned on – - just defeat him and start the push back that just might clean up Chicago.
There are good decent people there and if we can get Hillary elected maybe we can all concentrate on destroying the Combine and setting Chicago free. Just imagine all the millions of dollars provided by honest citizens to repair and clean up Chicago slums being used to repair and clean up Chicago slums. Maybe then all those black folk will realize it isn’t whitey that hate them it is their very own politicians, pastors and teachers.
Ok can someone tell me when white people will have to start sitting in the back of the bus because it sure seem as if this is the aim of many with this idea of America having a AA as President.
I would say, in Jan. 2009. God help us all! Its really to bad this all can’t be put behind us. I do understand that blacks were treated badly! But so was the Irish, the Catrholics, The Native Americans…. The list goes on.
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
We ALL know how deceiving Obama is. When and if he were forced to ‘deny’ his church and it’s teachings (in order to gain more votes), then THAT is when we need to worry. By doing so, he’ll DECEIVE even more people. Sure, a person can ’say’ anything, denonunce anything/anybody, and ask for ‘forgiveness’ – but in THEIR HEARTS they really don’t mean it.
Obama is fickle, inexperienced and sly; he has a very hateful, arrogant, bitter, ungrateful, selfish, racist wife whose only desire is to become First Lady, to become powerful, and in the meantime she can laugh at us behind our backs for voting them in office – and probably curse us as she, Obama and Wright did/do in their church!
I look for Obama to disown his church and pastor if the race gets tight with McCain. Beware of his lies.
If Obama is the nominee, just wait for the Republicans to attack the Chicago Archdiocese. That should be interesting.
OT – It seems that in Portland for the big Obama rally, the campaign set up Porta Potties on top of a police memorial. The officers are seeking an apology from the campaign.
http://www.kptv.com/news/16412289/detail.html
If Obama is the nominee, what will happen once Obama loses in November. What will happen with all the people he’s bought off? Or do those superdelegates only care about the money now and not about who actually gets in the white house? I’m guessing Obama has strong backers and they’ll be pointing fingers.
I know it’s hard to do, but Earl Ofari Hutchinson has written another thoughtful piece about white women’s anger at Obama (and Oprah in this piece).
Go and read it and leave a comment. It’s like stirring up a hornet’s nest: read, post and run. I think it’s fun!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/white-women-are-punishing_b_104037.html
Medusa, here’s my take, hope you don’t mind. The guy wrote a guy’s editorial. Like all men who like to decide what women are thinking, he doesn’t get it. The divide is not between white women and black women at all. The divide, I think, is between women and a sexist pig and his sexist campaign. The only reason that most, not all, black women are not part of the divide is because Barack Obama is a black man. I know fully well the kind of pressure that has been placed on black women. Just ask Sugar. It’s the same kind of badgering and “uncle tom” accusations the black caucus members who support HIllary live with daily. I do not feel any sense of divide at all with black women. I don’t feel a sense of divide with Oprah at all either. She is not the problem here. Oprah was just stupid and she paid her own ratings price. Barack Obama, on the other hand, wants to be president. Now that’s serious. I don’t think Ophrah drove women from Barack Obama. Barack Obama and his misogynist pigs did that all by themselves. Not only that, but they exacerabated their stench by encouraging their supporters to join in. They can analyze it all they want, but the fact is, this pig has set back gender relations by thirty years. His stench spans the entire country. There isn’t anything he can do to fix what he has done and any woman who has put up with shit from pigs like him will have none of him. Not now and not ever. The divide is HUGE.
The only consolation I see here is that women are not the only huge voting block that this feckless, arrogant, divisive sack of Marxist crap has offended. It will be a relief to most of America to watch him lose and go away so that we all might be able to heal after his stinking self no longer can open his bigoted mouth. Nobody is “punishing” Barack Obama. We just don’t want that Narcissistic, bigoted, misogynist ass to be making decisions from the chair of the most powerful person in the world.
Let’s face it, the attitude of the President of the United states rolls downhill. And from what we see of his attitude, he has no right to the job and won’t get it. And it’s not just a women’s voting block who feels that way. Right now, even george bush looks good next to this divisive arrogant Marxist prevaricator who seems to be loved by jihaders everywhere besides. And that’s pretty damned frightening all by itself.
I’m just reporting this to illustrate the arrogance of the Washington Post, which has refused to cover any positive news for Clinton, including Obama’s deteriorating position in the polls. It’s from an online political chat (going on now, if you want to weigh in).:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/05/26/DI2008052601813.html
Washington: Looking at the most recent Rasmussen daily polls, I see that Hillary manages a tie today against McCain, but Barack is down by five points to McCain. What piqued my interest was that while Hillary had a “highly unfavorable” rating of 32 percent (i.e., as I see it, people who never will vote for her) Barack was at 35 percent. On Jan. 30, as we entered primary season’s main show, Barack’s “highly unfavorables” were 20 percent and Clinton’s were 35 percent. Is this something superdelegates may be watching?
Paul Kane: I’ve spent the past several months talking to as many super-delegates as any reporter in America, I’d guess, since I cover on a day-to-day basis about 280 of them here on Capitol Hill.
I hate saying this, because all the Clinton people are going to flip out and say, You’re biased, you’re biased, you’re biased. So go ahead and flip out if you want, but the simple basic truth is that the super-delegates stopped paying attention to the Clinton-Obama race about a couple days after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries.
They’ve stopped paying attention to the primary, and instead they’re focused on an Obama-McCain matchup in November. That’s the basic, simple, definitive reality that has happened in this race. The “undecided” super-delegates at this moment are not going to “decide” any time soon, because to them the race is over, they’re just waiting for Clinton to drop out.
In yesterday’s post by Linda
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/vote-obama-or-else-guess-again/
Lynn posted there in a comment a long list of email addresses of SD.
It seems appropriate that we all send them an email to the link to the video from YouTube and an explainantion of who Pfleger is.
All of you who are disenfranchised, feel disgruntled, and/or just want someone to hear our voices, join our new women’s party.
To jon send an email to:
newwomensparty@yahoogroups.com
We are merging with other groups in the near future and want help reaching other like-minded people who are willing to stand up to party and say “no more”!
Please help us spread the word. Obama’s surrogate use of hate speech against HRC is divisive and can never be an acceptable weapon to win a campaign for public office. He is a disaster for the party in the General and can not win. When the GOP gets finished all the Black Supremacist racists comments by Obama, the Democratic party will be destroyed if he is the nominee. And this website alone is proof that it’s already spilling out. Join us. We want everyone who feels excluded from the process.
What people need to do is connect the dots. Many executive decisions by the president are not approved by Congress as required by the Constitution, but rather carried out unilaterally by presidential signing orders.
You have to wonder what the hell Obama would start doing as soon as he is elected. I don’t think these Obama nut-jobs have even stopped to think. If they thought GWB was bad, Farrakhan-Obama can be much worse.
…….shiver…..
this is my biggest concern
Uhbama would have access to the power Dubyah consolidated in the Executive branch..
WTH is the party thinking? why dont they just go to marxist country if that is what they want. why do they have to take our country and our party form us after we have supported it our entire lives….
did everybody hear about the 850 billion $ bill that obama is trying to get passed for foreign aid to africa ? figures, since he claims to be “the son of africa”…..and made his pledge of allegiance in the church of hate. to be a member you have to make that pledge. i guess his followers dont mind paying these taxes to support his “motherland, the cradle of civilization”, like wright says. god help us.
Maybe the rev would like to lead the way and sell that big ole house of his and send the money to his homeland? What? What? hmmmmmm can’t hear you!
The country is nearly broke from the jerk who is already in office. The country will be even more broke under Barack Obama. And once again, other places will take precedence to Americans and their needs. I am so sick of this shit I could just spit.
Don’t worry uppity. It will be either Clinton or if need be another 3rd party candidate will rise with unpresidented huge support or it will be Mac… we don’t know yet…
But thanks to people like you and Larry the truth will get out and Ob will not make it to office.
The Clinton Dems are strongly against him and we know for a fact – the polls all show – he cannot win with us let alone without us.
He will fail, we can take solace in that – even if Hillary is railroaded out by the party idiots.
Keeping him out of Office is goal two.
Hillary has a chance and none of us should forget that…
A friend from out of state who never goes on he internet heard about the “whitey” video and she heard it is going to come out really soon.
fingers crossed and keep hope alive.
I sent the Youtube to Greta at Fox. I’m sure a hundred other people have, too. Will they run it? Who knows? I have no idea what anybody’s true agenda is anymore, which is why I’m planning on not voting this year. The Democratic party has to know we can’t win the presidency with this character as the nominee. I suspect that purging the Clintons from the party has become the goal now. Of course it won’t work.
What kind of “chuch” spends all its time whipping up hatred and racism? I look at this stuff, and I have to conclude that Obama really does not like white people. How in the world is he getting away with this?
Your vote is your voice. Please use it. I won’t urge you to vote against your best thoughts, but staying home is what the DNC wants you to do if you are not going to vote for BO. VOTE FOR SOMEONE. Write in Hillary’s name. Write in your own name. But VOTE. It is the only freedome of choice that they cannot take away from you!!!!!
donna brazile told us at TM on her blackberry:
message to base stay home
that is what they want
please vote please
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What ever happen to REV Wright (You know Obama set up Wright with press to say those things again so he could total throw him away (he saw the exits polls after PA and knew he needed to get rid of him and Rev Wright played right along. (there must be some proof of this somewhere)
Wouldn’t suprise me. He’s hails from Chicago Politics.
And the white suburban kids in baggy pants thought that they had perfected the misappropriation of black urban culture…
Jeremiah Wright — “one of the greatest Biblical scholars”?
Oh yes. Of course. I mean, you can’t open up a book by Bart Ehrman or John Dominic Crossan without seeing at least a dozen citations of the works of Jeremiah Wright.
Why, just the other day I was wondering how to translate an unusual phrase in Koine Greek. So I brought it to the attention of my old prof at UCLA. “Wow,” he said, “this is WAY beyond me. You better put in a call to Jeremiah Wright. He’s the only expert in America who’s on top of this stuff.”
And everyone probably already knows about Wright’s brilliant work in reconstituting the recently-rediscovered Gospel of Judas. “If not for Jeremiah Wright,” said National Geographic, “we never would have had a proper translation of this ancient coptic text.”
LOL…gasp…sputter…and guffaw…Brilliant Joseph Cannon…very funny
Pfleger is a German name/word and means caretaker/male nurse. Not very fitting.
This is the purest display of histrionic personality disorder I have seen yet.
BTW I am also new here
Does Obama realize he is white and Black. He must hate half of his self and 1/4 of his kids.
Must be a terrible thing to contemplate. How to kill his white side and leave his black side whole.
????? what is this ???? it remind me that theese people are some kind of clan , they are scary, they are cell of evil belive me , Hillary 2008
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Come on Obama. No scrubs. Stand by your man.
Taylor Marsh just put this up on her website. Hopefully the media will pick up on this.
Heavens!… do my eyes deceive me or is it perhaps OBAMA-GIC that has made any mention of Pfleger (he deserves no title of respect) on Bo’s website… under the tab People of Faith we now have, dare I say, the “common” folk… as well as a spattering of various self important religious community leaders.
It’s too bad we cannot edit out the mendacious senator from the public consciousness as easily as they edit their site.
oops… speaking of ‘disappear’… seems this word did too, from above.
Joseph Cannon, LOL. It reminds me of Ronald Reagan calling Michael Jackson the world’s greatest artist.
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The reference to Tip brought me back to old fashioned values those of us over 40 or so were able to experience. I’m 51 and grew up with TIP in NY as one of our statesmen. And even though there were always two parties there was a sense of decency and diplomacy and that has followed through less and less over the years. It is the one thing entirely missing this year. The republicans always accused the dems of problems with “values” and this year I totally agree with them when it comes to ob.
That I am PROUD of Hillary and that it has been entirely unwavering and uncontroversial and my comfort increases by her words and deeds is what it is all about. I would likewise find some comfort in of all people a republican this year although that has never crossed my mind till 2008 – and I was born in 1957! The one thing I am certain of – Barack Obama and I have absolutely no shared values.
And I campaigned for McGovern and volunteered for Peace Groups and marched on Washington and lived up to every liberal label there is… but I was always, even when a rebel, a proud American and Christian.
I was also married to a Jew for 27 years… and he wants absolutely nothing to do with Obama either.
Nor does my 30 year old ivy league elitist daughter who speaks arugala fluently!
And we are all very concerned about ob’s little rat boat that is so full now it is starting to sink.
Pelosi will hear from us if she does “Step In” over her bounds as she has threatened to do…
I’m angry they have put us through this this year.
TIP would understand.
In case anyone argues that he’s not Obama’s longtime spiritual advisor and friend, the following is from the Chicago Sun-Times, April 5, 2004:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article
By CATHLEEN FALSANI
snip/
“Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he’d like, now that he’s on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.
“It’s not formal, me getting on my knees,” he says. “I think I have an ongoing conversation with God…. I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why I am doing it.
“The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass.”
Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.
“I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you’ve got to face God,” Pfleger says of Obama. “Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father…. I don’t think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is.”
/snip
BTW, this link isn’t bad. Sun-Times is riding dirty, or they have a lot of people reading this article. Anyway I have it all screen captured.
Here’s a piece I posted on my website in Feb. What a cast of characters surrounding Mr. Obama. And what a travesty for America should this guy become President of the free world. What are the Dems thinking, folks?
“Still posted on the website of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ is the much criticized article on Reverend Louis Farrahkan, published in the church’s Trumpet Magazine, the publication the brain child of the church’s leader and Senator Barack Obama’s spiritual advisor and longtime friend Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
Some months ago the Farrahkan article came under scrutiny. Why was the church attended by presidential contender and headed by Barack Obama’s mentor publishing a favorable story on the controversial Reverend Louis Farrahkan in its magazine?
Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam is best known for making disparaging remarks targeting Jews, whites and homosexuals. Farrakhan’s bigoted and anti-Semitic rhetoric has included statements calling whites “blue eyed devils” and Jews “bloodsuckers” that controlled the slave trade, the government, the media and various Black individuals and organizations.
In 2006, Reverend Farrakhan blamed Jews and Israel for the war in Iraq, for controlling Hollywood and for promoting what he considers immorality during his February Saviours’ Day address in Chicago.
Here are some quotes from the Trumpet Magazine article: An Empowerment Interview, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakahn. The magazine is published and edited by Reverend Wright’s daughter.
“When Minister Farrahkan speaks Black America listens. Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religion experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history.” – Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
“His leadership (Farrahkan) has evolved, and I believe the coming days will see him as a unifying force, calling real Christians, real Jews and real Muslims to come together on principles of truth and justice.”
– Father Michael L. Pfleger of St. Albans Church in Chicago
What are “real Christians, real Jews and real Muslims?” And who is Father Michael Pfleger? He is another longtime friend and mentor of Barack Obama and he is the activist Catholic priest from Chicago’s St. Sabina’s Church who joined with Jesse Jackson and his organization Operation Push in a rally in front of Chuck’s Gun shop, May 29, 2007, and exhorted the crowd to “drag” shop owner, John Riggio, from his shop “like a rat” and “snuff” him. The Reverend Pfleger went on to tell the crowd that legislators that vote against gun control legislation should be “snuffed” as well.
Would those legislators who should be “snuffed” include Rev. Pfleger’s good friend Barack Obama? Obama, in his recent remarks following the massacre of the students in North Illinois University said that he believes in the Second Amendment, but that there is plenty of room for added gun regulations. “There is an individual right to bear arms, but it’s subject to commonsense regulation,” Obama said, hardly a statement advocating strong gun control legislation.
But back to the Trumpet Magazine piece on Farrakhan, and Obama’s other good friend and mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. Reverend Wright has long been the subject of controversy. Obama was questioned about the article and his association with Reverend Wright following its publication. Obama issued the following statement:
“I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.”
Like Obama’s now well-known “present” votes in the Illinois Senate, his statement by-passed a definitive reaction. Obama denounced Farrakhan, but he clearly refused to extricate himself from his association with Reverend Wright who is responsible for more gems such as:
Zionism has an element of “white racism” and the attacks on 9/11 were a consequence of violent American policies and proved that “people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West went on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.”
Or this bit of history and innuendo: When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Colonel Ghadafi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”
On the subject of the presidential candidate’s continued relationship with Reverend Wright, Obama’s top campaign aide, David Axelrod, pointed out that Obama often has said that he and his minister sometimes disagree. Farrakhan, Axelrod said, is one of those instances.
But is Mr. Axelrod’s answer adequate? Would it be acceptable for Senator Obama to continue his association with a friend whose good buddy is a rapist, or a serial killer? Why a self-described bigot?
Senator Obama’s website prominently features both Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr. and Father Michael Pfleger and their testimonials for Senator Obama.
There are others in Barack Obama’s coterie of questionable associates They include indicted slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the Obama campaign contributor whose fraud trial begins March 3, 2008, which may shed some light on the shady real estate deal involving Mr. and Mrs. Rezko and Senator and Mrs. Obama house and adjoining land purchase, and who knows what else.
Equally intriguing is Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, purported friends, also unapologetic former leaders of the 1960’s Weather Underground, America’s first homegrown left-wing terrorist group that planted bombs in the Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s. According to news reports, Obama has been to Ayers home and accepted a $200 contribution to his campaign.
Rashid Khalidi, the PLO activist who is the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at Columbia University and head of that school’s Middle East Institute, is another Obama friend. In 2000, according to Ali Abunimah, a Hyde Park Palestinian-American activist, Professor Rashid Khalidi, a leading Palestinian-American advocate for a two-state solution and harsh critic of Israel, held a fundraiser in his home for Obama, who at the time was in the midst of what would prove an unsuccessful bid for the House of Representatives.
“He [Obama] came with his wife,” Abunimah said. “That’s where I had a chance to really talk to him. It was an intimate setting. He convinced me he was very aware of the issues [and] critical of U.S. bias toward Israel and lack of sensitivity to Arabs. … He was very supportive of U.S. pressure on Israel.”
Khalidi has been called a “blame-throwing Palestinian hack,” and has referred to Israel as the “occupiers” and calls AIPAC “the Zionist lobby.” He is also responsible for this assessment on Israel as a U.S. ally. According to Khalidi Israel is not a democratic ally but an “apartheid system in creation” and a destructive “racist” state. He has further accused Israel’s army of having “awful weapons of mass destruction – some supplied by the U.S. – that it has used in cities, villages and refugee camps.”
And of course there’s Senator Obama’s deep connection to Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley of that illustrious Chicago dynasty who continues the legacy of his political family as boss of Chicago.
Alone, these associations might not seem as astonishing as they are when viewed collectively. But Senator Obama has based his entire campaign on the fact that he’s a new kind of politician. Making alliances with unsavory characters that are politically suitable to attain a politician’s goal is anything but new, and in these instances appear downright smarmy and certainly point to a lack of foresight and good judgment.
From a political standpoint, should Senator Obama secure the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination he is certain to find that his questionable alliances will leave him extremely vulnerable to the Republican slime machine who will find Obama, if nothing else, guilty by association. And with the Republican’s, that’s enough to end the hope of any Democratic candidate’s chances to make it to the White House. Just ask John Kerry.”
Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com
Pfleger is a pfucking disgusting monster who sides with the likes of Wright and Farakkhan. Lying about Hillary’s tears is par for the course with low life scum like that.
If they don’t flog Pfleiger like they did Wright, then we know for sure the media is racist.
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Hello Everyone,
This is my first comment on noquarter. Some of you may recognize me from Taylor Marsh, but I have decided to try making this my new pro-Hillary home for a while. I hope I am welcome here. I was getting a little tired of having to read or scroll past so many of Obama’s supporters there that I just needed to get away.
I was told about this site and after reading the comments I am already relieved.
Welcome…no pulled punches here….great wit and occasionally some fine cussin…I learn a lot from these folks and enjoy the challenging dialogue…
Socrates would have been a member and he wern’t no shrinkin violet..chuckle…enjoy…
It’s like a great support group here – no B.S.’ing or deification of Obama – just tell it like it is and let the facts speak for themselves.
I am a TM refugee as well. We won’t try to tell you what to do here … you may trip over an odd troll or two, but that keeps you awake and a good head on your shoulders. Your vote is sacred. You should use it wisely and only as YOU see fit. But that’s just one woman’s opinion! Welcome!
Welcome Ron, me too on TM. You’ve come to the Best place. Also go to liberalrapture and link from there to uppitywoman and also google RezkoWatch and stop-obama.
I am so new at this site that I accidentally put my real name up on my first comment! Oops. I’m glad at least that I have a simple name like Smith.
Here is a cached version of his Faith page:
http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Pfleger++obama&fr=slv8-yme&SpellState=n-1369488631_q-BloFbX1BAitX1TPH50vocAAAAA%40%40&u=faith.barackobama.com/page/content/faithtestimonials&w=pfleger+obama&d=VlZRq5zfQ23h&icp=1&.intl=us
HillBuzz posted this quote from Lou Dobbs:
“I have to tell you Senator Obama: you’ve just become my hobby. You are a dangerous, illogical, inaccurate, and, I think soulless, pandering fool.”
- Lou Dobbs 2008-05-27
Posted by HillBuzz at 8:08 PM
And what is hate from the mouth of any religious person…it is dangerous, illogical, inaccurate, and soulless. If Dobb’s assessment is correct, and I believe it is, Obama has been in his element in Rev Wright’s Church.
Did that video of Pfleiger make anyone else physically sick? It made me ill, mixed with disgust and extreme sadness. If this is the change Obama speaks of – instilling hatred and racial division – count me for McCain to defeat Obama in Nov. Never thought I would vote Republican in my life – wow, how things have changed.
Pfleger must have some demons in his soul to act like this. Not being a member of the RCC, it’s one of those things that make you go hmmm.
I think all white people should pay for the sins of racist white people whether or not they actually had anything to do with the Democratic party and it’s systematic 170 year history of oppression against black people or not.
Sue the Democratic party for reparations.
Close down the DNC and turn down Obama and friends.
Anybody-but-Obama continues…
So Barack should pay half because he’s half white?
Ignorant fool.
Right lets just give AA the whole dam country as according to Louis Farrakhan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxNeGOXSoA
It’s on abc news web site, here we go!
Weeeeeeee!
or to quote Dean
Yaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
My son learned in government class that no church can align with a political afflliate. Separation of church and state. Otherwise, the church looses its tax exempt status. He is stating who to vote for…
So, the Catholic Church may have to pay taxes because that priest is endorsing Obama – a defined political affliliation.
honestly, anyone who is stuck on reverend wright needs to wake up. Obama’s policies will not reflect the church he belonged to, he denounced him…is that not good enough for you? I just pray the rest of america is not so ignorant.
No it isn’t. As the RCC saying goes, give me a kid tll he’s 7 and I’ll give you a life-long catholic. Don’t jump me, I am one.
I want to know. How much more anti-American and anti-white hatred will everyone put up with? Obama is a potential American president–this is an outrage.
How in hell isd he planning to deal with the countries of this world that are mostly white? No thought at all to this I believe because his and his handlers focus is purely on the dismantling of democracy and installing a black dictatorship.
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Greta has the tape on her blog and will be talking about him tonight, so fel free to leave helpful comments letting people know how Close BO and Pfleger are http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/29/check-this-out-wow/
Holy. Crap.
I’ve often noticed that Chicago is still terribly segregated when compared to other large US cities.
I’m not saying this kind of thing is the whole reason, but it seems to me, to go a long way toward explaining a few things about why people collect themselves as we tend to do here.
My western Chicago (within the city) neighborhood is mostly PR and Mexican, with a few gay and elderly of all ilks, and white working/middle class, mostly of the eastern European variety tossed in for good measure. Very few AA’s. (I realize that’s a weird way to point out demographics, but trying to encompass who’s here and what not.) Point is, Chicago is mainly divided in two ways:
1.) Skin color. Black vs. everyone else, and:
2.) Economics. The further west and south one goes, the poorer we get…until you hit the suburbs, then it all changes. (I’m not sure how. I don’t go to the suburbs.)
I don’t know why. The gangs of the 70’s and 80’s had lots to do with boundaries being set by different demographic bases as basic survival. There’s probably some element of gang turf wars still affecting these divisions…I don’t know.
Just rambling…and so blown away by this video, that I’m probably not making a whit of sense.
What kind of Christianity is this?
I am Irish Catholic and i go to church every week and one of the tenet of my faith is you have to believe in forgiveness and work hard to find forgiveness in your heart and extend it to others. This Christianity that i am listening to is an angry Christianity based on revenge not love.
Moreover, my grand grandfather came to this country with nothing. He worked in the open mines of Western Virginia, Virginia and Kentucky. Back then, slaves didn’t work in coal mines because slaves were worth more than Irish. He worked hard, built for himself a tiny place in the sun and 2 generations later, his grandson graduated high school, went to college and became a lawyer. All his clients were dirt poor Irish. They had nothing to pay him with other than buckets of coal. So, where are these damn privileges that my grandfather and his father enjoyed that this damn ignorant priest talks about?
Give me a goddamn break. If this elections is going to be about reparation, you will have a rebellion on your hands. Not only he is going to lose, the democratic party is going to be in deep deep troubles and broken in multiple pieces. Don’t fool yourself folks, this Pfledger guy is talking about reparation. And mark my words, many are going to come out of the woodwork and claim that we need to pay for our ancestors’ mistakes. This might work on those who have something on their conscience, but it ain’t gonna work on me ’cause my conscience is clean and i sleep like a baby.
Did you see the other clip from this sermon? “American has been raping People of Color and America has to Pay” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWnY5PC0CQ
All of you folks who are so appalled at what the Priest said: Have you never disagreed with someone at your church? Just because this guy said it, doesn’t mean Obama agrees! This is pure and simple guilt by association. Did McCain agree with everything Hagee and Parsley said?
Get a grip people. This election is about the economy, oil prices, falling real incomes, an unnecessary war in Iraq, National Debt going through the roof: REAL ISSUES. Cut the crap about what Pastor said what. We are electing a President, not a Pope.
McCain disavowed Hagee.
Obama’s church has chosen another black supremacist who uses hate speech against all whites. Obama has yet to even mention quitting this racist church. Apparently he’s in some agreement since he stays even in the midst of all this negative controversy.
If you don’t want a massive walkout by disgruntled Dems who can’t or won’t support Obama (and he has no chance to win, whether or not we walk out), then tell them they must not make him the nominee. Back when Pelosi thought Obama would win the popular vote and HRC would steal it from him, she said she couldn’t imagine selecting a nominee that wouldn’t also get the popular vote of the majority. Now she’s changed her tune.
So we must help the superdelegates understand, we will vote Republican or not at all and that will be sure these people will not be put in office again and Obama will lose, too. Ask yourself why is the party willing to lose a large percentage of it’s members to nominate a loser? Why follow losers?
He called this Pfleger guy his spiritual mentor. Do you know what spiritual mentors do?
In moments of doubts, deep challenges to one’s conscience, a spiritual mentor advises you on the best course of action, of course according to the scriptures, and eases your conscience. Do you want these thugs such as Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, and Rev. Mess advising our president? What kind of guidance and advices are they going to provide? No, no, no, these people are bad people.
Old timers, in my neck of the wood, used to say, “If you spend a night with chickens, you wake up clucking; and if you spend a night with pigs, you wake up stinking.”
Obama spent 20 years with these folks; hence, he believes what these folks believes. Period.
uh no. I grew up a church going protestant and now im an athiest, my parents were republican, I am a democrat, that is the worst arguement i have ever heard.
“Obama spent 20 years with these folks; hence, he believes what these folks believes. Period.” are you kidding me?
Yes but you were raised in your church. Obama was not raised in TUCC, he joined it as an adult because its ideology was computable with his. He is still a member and used pictures from it in the Kentucky primary.
Like your parents, Obama has brought his children to a church that he believes in, as your parents tried to bring you into their beliefs. Your argument works well for the Obama children but not for Obama himself. In your analogy, Barack and Michelle are clearly acting as your parents did.
Hagee and Parsley aren’t McCain’s spiritual advisors. McCain doesn’t attend their churches, he is not a “member”. They are popular evangualists that endorsed McCain, just like they would any republican.
Obama goes to Trinity, Rev. Wright shaped Obama’s spiritual life, Rev. Wright was a father figure to Obama, his “crazy Uncle”.
This Catholic guy is a political ally plus a spiritual advisor.
This church is CRAZY… nothing but hate for white people. Clearly this man was singing to the choir at this church… the church Obama and his family ARE members off…THIS HAPPENED AT OBAMA’S CHURCH!
I would never choose someone like this as a spiritual advisor.
Would you?
Ladies and Gentlemen…its official….Michael Richards aka Kramer from my beloved t.v sitcom Seinfeld has just announced that he has joined Reverend Wright’s church. Apparently you can be a Bigot, Racist, Buffon and can still rise to be a pastor in that church. Seems it has quiet an affinity for Loud mouths with tongues run amok.
just cant believe it, that these obamaites are so blind.astounding
how can any [sain] person vote for these people?so outragious
This video is disturbing. Why Obarfbag is even still in this race is astounding. I wouldn’t vote for this man if you paid me. It’s a national disgrace. Just think, this is the candidate the DNC is pushing on us. Disgusting!
this is exactly why i don’t fucking vote. people like this make me want to leave this country. you are ALL just a bunch of fucking idiots. ugh could vomit all over myself. just shut your fucking mouth and stop crying. who cares who cares who cares
go catholic priest man. go obama!!!!
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