The Christian Heresy of Barack and Michelle Obama
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on May 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM in Current Affairs
If you are shocked by the rantings of Falther Pfleger below, hang on to your hats. There are three videos below the fold of this article that you must see, which explains in detail Barack Obama’s religious beliefs. After you watch them I am sure most will agree that Barack and Michelle Obama have some explaining to do. Simply put, they are members of a church that is as much a heresy from genuine Christianity as Al Qaeda is a heresy of Islam. I realize I am touching a nerve in saying this, but it needs to be said.
I believe that “belief” matters. And if you will simply take time to understand the theology underpinning the church that Barack and Michelle Obama have attended for almost twenty years then you will realize why Barack cannot be President. It is based on an ideology of black supremacy and promotes a world view that demonizes white people. No one holding such views, even in the privacy of their pew or confessional, should be allowed anywhere near the office of the President. By the same token, a man who believes in white supremacy and demonizes black people should not be President. Some consistency here, folks.
Back in the sixties, George Romney, father of Mitt, ran for the Republican nomination. He was a Mormon and at that time Mormon theology held that black men could not be members of the priesthood because their skin color was evidence of their sin. Brigham Young said this:
“You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind …. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race—that they should be the ‘servant of servants’; and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree.”[16]
George Romney could never be elected President while being part of a church that held such views. Fortunately, for Mitt Romney anyway, the Mormons renounced the hateful views of Brigham Young. Well, I believe the same standard should apply to Barack. Here are the videos:
Part I
Part II
Part III
People are free to worship as they choose. I do not dispute the right of Barack and Michelle Obama to be members of a church, even if it is based on such a bizarre, hateful interpretation of history. But I also believe that Barack’s decision to willingly affiliate himself and his children with this kind of religious extremism disqualifies him to be president. People can change. Maybe Barack has grown up. But like the Mormons, he must renounce and reject the twisted theology he once accepted. He says words matter. That is true. But what you believe in your heart also matters. The afrocentric liberation theology of Cone and Wright and Pfleger is despicable theology and has no place in the Oval Office.
No place AT ALL.
Obama is a representative of all them and their views. This is not “guilt by association” this is MEMBERSHIP. Obama’s membership.
There is little that is so un-American as the hate and divisions they profess.
KEEP AT IT LARRY….THIS IS THE STEADY ENCROACHMENT OF MARXIST FASCISM….and you are exposing it….Thankyou.
Back on this again?
Larry is an intelligence professional. Perhaps he can give some clear insight, with empirical data, not moans and groans - information!!, as to
A) What is liberation theology? Who are its founders? Why did the CIA while Larry worked there specifically target it? Who is Frei Betto?
B) What specifically empirical evidence is there that this has anything to do with some nonsense like “Black Supremacy”
C) What in terms of this theological practice, as well as theory, “demonizes” white people (As opposed to racist whites)? Is Larry suggesting that there is no such thing as white skin privilege?
Tootsky….You are full of it ! This site has been posting definitions, sources and links about Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology for months !
Liberation Theology : Read the Catholic Encyclopedia for theological
Liberation Theology in Action : Study Nicaraugua and El Salvado
Black Liberation Theology : Read James Cone it’s principal architect
Black Liberation Theology in Action : TUCC and Rev Wright offically recognized by Cone as most representative of his theology in action.
BLACK LIBERATION COMBINES MARXSIM WITH RACIAL SUPREMACY TO BE FASCISM…
Fascism : Adolf and the Gang and Mussolini for starters….
As I said, empirical, historical data. Not out of control outbursts. I’m waiting.
And I have studied those nations, where US backed Opus Dei thugs massacred thousands of supporters of Liberation Theology. Or are you a defender of the Contras now?
WOW! Opus Dei is a cult or sect under the guise of Catholicism.
So what does James Cones’ idiotic version of “religion”, Black Liberation Theology, which is Political base for the U.S. AA’s, with sprinkles of Chirtianity or Islam, to make it appear like a real religion, have to do with Central American Catholicism?
And, on what planet did you study these misconceptions you are spouting?
Nellie are you stupid…Cone took his bull shit from the Latin American Bishops and added Malcom X to it and presto Black Liberation Theology.
Liberation Theology arose in Politics a in 1968 at a meeting in Medellin during the meeting of Latin American Bishops and the doctrine of Justice and Peace. Shit do you think Cone was original ?…..SHEEEESH ! CONE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS ALL….HE’S A PHILOSOPHICAL HACK….
WCA,
Hopefully I am not too stupid. But you did catch me out. I only looked at Black Liberation “Theology” to see what its definition was - and what it encompassed.
Didn’t like what I saw about BLT so was not interested in the history or origins and didn’t bother looking.
Mea culpa, Mea clupa, Mea maxima culpa!
So thanks for filling in the history - nice to have context.
Nellie I apologize if I was a bit harsh….This is something that truly concerns me….Obama is not the usual candidate….scuse’ most of my ire was directed at Tootsky
I was introduced to Liberation Theology in Philosophy class by a former Jesuit theologian from Latin America in 1984…That Jesuit put us through the wringer and we argued it for an entire semester using every concievable
moral, historical, political and philosophical as well as theological argument and he got us every time using Socratic dialogue and plain logic…I have no doubts as to what it is…I have been reading about it since that class and he was so good I took two more philosophy courses that were not required….If anyone wants a real challenge have a discussion with a Jesuit…chuckle
It is easy to get confused but there were mixed results in Latin America…My agument is the distortion of the theology which is HERETICAL and the usual exploitation of the Poor which is the usual result of Marxism….
My daughter is STILL pissed-off that the Jesuits don’t take girls into the SJ.
WCA,
I hear you - now I understand your phenomenal grasp of Latin.
I too was raised Catholic - went to Catholic School K - 12, and had Notre Dame nuns (straight out of the inquistion)
My mother tried twice to force me into a Catholic Girls College and I wouldn’t go. Mom stated I’d have to pay my own way if I didn’t go to school of her choice.
So I did oay mmy own way, and over time eventually ended up with a PhD. Wish I had Jesuits - I know they are good.
No apology necessary - just the raw hate in these tapes is sickening and encite negative emotions and reactions.
As an educator, I don’t know whether to scream at the tootsky’s of the world, or go all the way back and bit by bit try and get them to look for FACTUAL information.
In addition to the raw hatered, it truly bothers me that Leprosy is now “just a skin disease” , like having a certain color of skin.
The ancients, as you know, did not know about bacteria, and it was highly contagious. With this kind of gross mis-information floating around, we could end up with a rebirth of several diseases (plagues?) due to stupidity and ignorance.
By the way - love your posts - the Jesuits helped you become a fascinating thinker, and excellent writer.
Peace!
Do some work, or in addition to thinking I owe you what i worked for, do I have to do your work for you too? You have questions? Then use Google. It knows no race.
This is a ridiculous request. God gave you a brain, use it to think.
BOY - YOU REALLY CANT GET ANY DUMBER THAN THAT COMMENT!
100% DUMBASS.
STUPID TO THE BONE!
tootsky, you’ve been watching too many bad movies.
Hey,
Obviously tootsky troll you do not understand the difference between the words theology and ideology.
Theology - comes from the word Theism and is how mankind represents his belief and respect for the Supernatural, Divne, Creation or God (pick a word) For example: Catholics genuflect on one knee and make the sign of the cross in facing an alter. Jews wear skull caps in a synogogue. Muslims face east and pray on their knees.
These are examples of how theology manifests and is ALWAYS related to the Spiritual.
Ideology - comes from the word ideas and is related specifically to the ideas that are the basis of Political or Economic Philosophy’s. Kensian Economics, or Maoist governance are examples.
If you use google (and no, I will not do your work for you) you will find that Obama’s Church has as its basis no “Middle classness” and Afro-Centricsim among other things. Those are Economic and political ideas and have NOTHING to do with the Spritiual or divine.
Hence Black Liberation Thology is a misnomer, and it should be labeled Black Liberation Ideology.
Marxism or Socialism are the PC words that came into use as synonyms for Communism, after the excesses of McCarthism. Marxism or Socialism is the same product as Communism, just has a different label.
Now after you research the values and principles of Trinity, the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam, you can google Black Liberation Theology - and perhaps you may just learn something.
In summary, Larry Johnson is 100% accurate - but then he knows his history and terminolgy, unlike certain paid trolls,
I’m not paid, but you really don’t know what you are talking about.
Again, empirical data from recognized historians of the region, not bleats.
Many people believe Christ was a socialist and that the messianic age will come with the supersession of capitalism. Who are you to argue?
Better questions:
Who are you?
Who cares about what “many people believe” ?
What “recognized historians of the region” ?
If you want to have a serious intellectual argument then include your citations and references. Otherwise you are just another fraud.
“many people believe”: A reference to freedom of religion.
The works of Greg Grandin on Latin America aer a good overview of the fight by the right wing of the Catholic Church and CIA against liberation theology. Noam Chomsky is also informative here, as are even historians opposed to LT, including Ratzinger himself.
In terms of tholigians, Walter Benjamin, a German Jewish Marxist is usually considereto be the first liberation theologian, but some argue that it goes back to the German Peasant uprisingso f the 16th century, if not the Diggers and others on the left wing of the English revolution of the 17th century.
In its Catholic, Muslim, Christian or Jewish variant, it is rooted in poverty, “alienation” as the old mole puts it.
Criticizing Liberation Theology is objectively a defense of the Mainstream of the Vatican, US foreign policy that helped massacre hundreds of thousands in Latin America, and in particular, the capitalism that is opposed by LT.
Tootsky,
This comment of yours:
You DO NOT GET IT! Marxist and Theologian Are opposing Terms - oxymorons if you will. That is like saying “Clean Filth” or “Smart Idiot”.
Those kinds of words together are logically and factually opposed to one another, and are NOT True. Just like your use of a “Marxist Theologian”
Marxist by definition is secular and atheistic. Theologian refers to the Spriritual or Divine.
Is a “tholigian” a cross between a theologian and a hooligan?
“Criticizing Liberation Theology is objectively a defense of the Mainstream of the Vatican”
Your argument here is a classic example of an either-or fallacy. You attempt to make the ludicrous assertions of Liberation Theology seem more palatable by arguing that you must either support it or support the “massacre hundreds of thousands in Latin America.” Obviously, other options exist here.
A similar either-or argument might be that one must be anti-communist or else support the mass slaughters committed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other tyrants.
Liberation Theology, in this case Black Liberation Theology, fosters divisiveness and hatred toward others by asserting that all people fall into two categories (oppressor and oppressed). Black Liberation Theology takes this extreme idea even further by asserting that being being an oppressor, or an oppressed, is not based on your actions but by your race.
Obviously opposing this ideologically rationalized racism does not imply support of oppression.
Again, stop demanding others do your work for you like a spoiled child. If you want empirical or technical data, then do your own damn work. You have a computer, and therefore have access to google.
By the way, I am a reserach professor, and do know my religions. So in order to convince me that my 30+ years of experience or research are wrong, you had better have some really good sources!
Stick your Marxism up your ass. We will not have maxists running America. You either get the point now or you get it in November.
So Christ was a socialist??? It is you who have no idea whatsoever of what you are talking about. Your self induced fantasies deserve their own language - so why not go talk to yourself in your forked tongue.
Obviously, you have no experience of Christian theology or with Christian churches. So until you get some, save yourself embarassment for your insane accusations and go read some real books.
look you loon - catholic liberation theology is very distinct from this domestic racist ideology.
I was raised by a DorothyDay Catholic mother. Our home was a refuge for Guatemalans running from death sentences. These Chicagoans and their resentment filled attacks on all whites who dont join them in their rants are not made up of the same stuff as an Archbishop romero.
Whats funny is that the King of Obama bloggers - Markos - has written that he was pr Arena party in El salvador - the political Party that targeted and murdered that good man.
And by the way, I know all about the conservative roots and funding of Opus dei - but your comment that they were the ones killing people in south america is stupid to the Nth degree.
hey - but the average IQ obviously is 100 - and Obama sure had drawn a lot of stupid people to him - and there are just as many stupid folk with degrees as not..
You folks are some sure ass all day suckers - thats for sure!
“Intelligence is no impediment to stupidity.” - A. Einstein
Oh geez, here come those ‘many people’ so beloved by the bush people.
actually Nellie it is a theology that espouses a combined Marxist and Fascist philosophy…Sorry I mis-identified you earlier,I meant Tootsky the idiot…beg pardon.
It is a theology in specific ways and suceeds in attracting those that are usually repulse by atheistic marxism.
In the Theology Cone takes the Latin Bishops many steps further.
The Latin Bishops sought to redefine the historical identitiy of Jeasus and redefined the nature of salvation. Big Theological No-No’s ! Cone adds the theory of Racial Supremacy and alters any actual history in the Biblical identification of Jesus…example although Jesus was a Jew and semetic he becomes a Black man in the image of Anwar Sadat. Jesus is reduced to being a militant Ghetto Freedom Fighter standing up for the Poor. The Christology of Jesus is minimized to favor political social activism…
The White Oppressor = Jews and Romans killed the Black Jesus etc..ad nauseum…
WCA,
Having taught students from many countries, I probably internalized the differences between, Thology, Ideology and Mores.
Always open to the new and possible. How are you defining the word “Theology” including the nuances?
Yes, you could say I am attemtping to get a Jesuit education with no pain - but please, learning is always a great thing n’est pas?
Larry is indeed. On the other hand you are something else. Why don’t you get off your lazy ass and do the research on your own?
I believe that the commenters on this blog are working under a misunderstanding. Tootsky (who shall henceforth be referred to as “this idiot” has not asked a question, at least not one that he wants answered. More likely this idiot is channeling his inner chimpanzee, who only screams and throws manure.
Tootsky…
You’re funny.
Does media (whether it be state owned, or as we’re experiencing in America, PROPAGANDA) need “empirical data” to shape opinions/thoughts, ever so subtly?
Gee, I dunno…does Pfleger’s comments saying “whites feel entitled” shape opinions, confirm already held suspicions, or is that not possible because the listener/observer doesn’t have a sheet in front of them with empirical evidence supporting Pfleger’s comments?
You’re a fool..live in the real world.
Why would a non-black person support BO as his Black Liberation Movement calls for doing away with them?!
How do they get away with tax exempt status for this political hate speech?
It’s sickening!
Since the Military Service of Charles T. Payne I’m sure is forgotten history here now that you’ve been proven wrong, I thought I’d post up front on this diary. Because I know everyone, especially Larry, is interested in the “truth”….
Charles T. Payne, his name was likely misheard as an E. See, these “mysteries of life” happen all the time, and it doesn’t mean that someone is a lying Manchurian Candidate.
I can’t wait for the next right-wing talking point. ‘Ordhuf’ was “just” a work camp…. can’t wait.
So, Larry calls Obama either a moron or a liar. He asks how he got to Buchenwald snarkily, “by Boat??” Ha ha ha ha. Funny. Where’s the apology diary? Where’s the attention to the truth? You people do not know what you are doing. You are rabid fanatics, yet I try to come here and help.
By the way, my grandfather told me for years that he was in the Caost Guard. He’s gone now, rest him. And I only found out a couple of years ago the he was in the Caost Guard RESERVES after the Navy. OH MY GOD!! He was a liar, a scoundrel, a jerk for lying to me like that….. please.
Who’s going to admit they’re wrong? At least on this “lie” of Obama’s? Or are we going to parse this because he said Auschwitz? Like Sniper fire in Bosnia, no? I always say, I’ll vote for Hillary is she’s the nominee, but unlike you folks here who would vote for McCain, it’s because I’m…. sane.
J Straight
May 29th, 2008 at 12:02 am
On the matter of the military service of Charlie Payne, the great-uncle of Barack Obama:
His full name is Charles Thomas Payne and he IS the uncle (the term “uncle” has in fact been used even for great-uncles in that family) who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war, he isolated himself at home for some time.
Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is an active, mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.
This information was obtained tonight from a phone conversation with members of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.
CORRECT info:
1. Charles’ middle initial is “T”, not “W”;
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.
Charles is the second of FOUR Payne siblings:
1. Madelyn Lee
2. Charles Thomas
3. Margaret Arlene
4. Jon Virgil, (born 1937, which is why there is no listing for him in the 1930 Census of Augusta City, Butler County, Kansas. This census has been the only source offered for “Payne sibling info” oin all of the genealogical sites cited by those interested in this story.
I suspect that the listing for Charles E. Payne of Kansas is in fact the record for Charles Thomas Payne. I believe the scribe probably heard “E” instead of “T.” That type of error is frequent in census records and in military records where the info is provided orally:
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)
http://www.kshs.org/genealogis…..mit=SEARCH
On the button, Andy: It’s not “guilt by association” - it’s membership in, support of, and excuses for Hate mongering.
BLT churches have hijacked Christianity the same way MELT (Middle Eastern Liberation Theology) and RIF (radical Islamic fascism) has done to Islam.
It seems like these BLT ministers [???] are a bunch of twisted, fanatical ex-circus barker types who hypnotize thier minions into hate-filled xenophobes, extort power and treasure, invert logic by blaming what they’re doing on others, and create divisions within peaceful societies in order to further their influence and shakedown activities.
The fact that Obama and his surrogates (and many in the MSM) are defending this influence of hate for political gain is the worst kind of politics — the selling your soul kind of politics.
You’re a patriot Larry! I’m a much more informed voter now. HOLY COW!
The Black Liberation Movement has Obama and the Klan has Duke.
I don’t recall Duke sounding as racist as this crap, which is really saying something.
Why does the IRS let them get away with this as an alleged Church?!!
Take their ill-gained property and give it to the poor!
Man am I tired of the sixties.
Me too. I went through all of this before. It was a crock then and it’s a crock now. I’m now too old to be guilted into accepting this sort of thing.
Listen up, young ones: you are not action rationally.
Oh, it’s much older than the 60’s. My religion, Catholicism, requires I pray for the conversion of the Jews. And I do, because under Judaism, slavery and animal sacrifice are allowed. Look it up; it’s right there in the Old Testiment.
Now THAT religion, if you can call it that, is what, 5000 years old? This goes back much further than James Cone.
You too Anti-semite Michael: You are one fascist pig. Go flagellate yourself some more; and this time please don’t forget your private parts. Ah! and while you are at it please call Obama he’s looking for you. It seems you got the wrong script. He has another one for those friends in the OpusDei
This goes back much further than the 60’s. My religion, Catholicism, requires that I pray for the conversion of the Jews. And I do - they allow slavery and animal sacrifice.
Look it up: it’s right there in the Old Testament.
Me too. The faces are different, but the shit is the same. Some of the faces aren’t even different, come to think of it. We trashed these pigs channeling through McGovern then and we will end it again now.
I can’t wait for all of the rich white kids who voted for Obama to wake up and realize that they now “owe” black people something. That they should give up their I-Pods, cell phones and fancy clothes because their ancestors have inherited their place in life at the expense of slaves. These college students have no idea what they are doing. HOPE! CHANGE! They were swept up in all this hype and now the facts are coming out.
Funny you should bring that up. Has Obama said anything about reparations? If so, can it be found online?
Look in his books
BS girl Troll.
Yep. They are in love with the IDEA of Barack Obama. They evaluate him the same way they evaluate “friends” for Facebook, MySpace and other social networking sites. Does he look good? Does he sound good? It’s all so superficial. Their support is a mile wide and an inch deep, just like their candidate.
I want to scream every time I hear about how wonderful it is to have these “new young voters” engaged in the political process. They don’t give a crap about the political process. They only care about their cool new “friend” who is going to make the world into a REALLY awesome place.
When I ask my two San Francisco/Berkeley friends why they voted for Barack Obama, they say, “I read his book. He’s a really good writer.” They don’t know anything about his policies, they hardly pay attention to the news (except to say, “What about Hillary’s Bosnia gaffe?”) and they know nothing about him except that he looks cool to them and sounds good when he speaks.
I wish the Trilateral Commission had called me…I was getting set up for Bohemian Grove and had just done the Bilderbergers thing when she went Balkan…but I could have arranged personally to have “pinked” HRC at a non-lethal, non-disabling location on her body at some range. (”Grassy KNOLL? We don’t need no steenking Grassy Knoll!”)
Just a little scratch. Not enough to require stitches. Something that shows in a cocktail dress, but in a Muted, Tasteful manner. Then this partcular variety of horseshit would be moot. When called on it by the baying Chihuahuas of the Obamasphere, she could just flash a little clavicle, a la LBJ.
Well, time for me to motor or I’ll be late for the Freemasons! We’ll be dealing yet ANOTHER blow to the Metric System soon!!!
Ellen, this is why adults don’t let children and radicals pick presidents.
” It is the goal of the Black Intellectual to aid in the destruction of America as he knows it…Such destruction requires both Black Anger and White Guilt..”
James Cone. Architect of Black Liberation Theology
Black Liberation Theology = Marxist Fascism wrapped up in a militant Baby Jesus.
Obama is a fascist and a threat to democracy.
Watch for the guilt owed to be shown on CNN. To be shown in July with the docu drama “Black In America”
I don’t have any guilt. But I sure am developing a lot of anger.
I had some white guilt feelings, but the behavior of Plastic Jesus and his Oborg have vaporized it.
I have more than enough guilt for the things that I have done. I have none at all for the mistreatment of AAs, as neither I nor any of my family that I know of had any part in that mistreatment. And I have only disgust for anyone who tries to assign any of that guilt to me.
Amen to that Uppity. I have NEVER felt this much anger during a political campaign.
I don’t have any guilt either. As far as I know, I’ve never done anything to harm anyone on the basis of race. And I’m not responsible for my ancestors. It’s like asking someone to bear a burden of guilt because their great-great grandfather committed a crime.
When I was in college I had a French class with an AA guy who espoused the “white guilt for slavery” angle at every opportunity.
His parents were from the French West Indies and he spoke French fluently. As a result, he didn’t have to buy the textbooks to ace the class.
When he came to class he usually wanted to see someone else’s textbook - ususally mine. And he wasn’t polite about it. A smart guy but it seemed to me he went out of his way to be annoying.
He offered his black liberation speeches regularly although that class had nothing to do with the history of slavery.
Teacher and students were afraid to say a word or be damnned as racists.
One day after one of his “white guilt” inducing speeches, he once again ordered, “Give me that book.”
My expression clearly relayed by opinion of him. He says really loud, “You don’t like me do you Susan?” Teacher froze to the spot. Students went pale.
Equally loud I say,”Right. I don’t like you. However you’ll assume it’s because you’re Black. But the truth is I don’t like you because you act like an a-s-s-hole.”
Silence.
And then he laughs — loud. He laughs and says, “I was wondering when someone would call me on it.”
We became buddies after that. He even helped me pass French (I’m terrible with foreign languages).
I realized then AAs do not particularly want you to “be nice to them” solely out of white guilt.
Although some of my AA friends admit they’ll exploit white guilt to get what they want, however they don’t respect or trust white folks who are “being nice” solely out of guilt for America’s slavery history.
I refuse to be manipulated by white guilt. The Obama campaign can try — but I refuse.
Fun tale there!
I don’t have white guilt, but then……I think I’ve been worn out in life by family guilt. *haha
I don’t have any more ROOM for guilt thinking.
When I get the deed to the 164 acres of Virginia farm land that a Carpetbagger-installed government expropriated from my ancestor (who had freed his slaves, both of them, in 1859) after the Civil War, my heart and mind MIGHT then be open to the lamentations of the oppressed and put-upon African American.
Meantime, I’ve BEEN fucked once, sans a Good Night kiss. Please peddle Liberation Theology, Reparations and White Man’s Debt somewhere else.
I already gave at the courthouse.
Fred:
Love your posts.
Carry on.
Really, Fred!!!!
I have an ancestor who died at Gettysburg helping Michelle Obama’s ancestors be free.
Where’s MY reparation check?
I want the British to pay for the what they did to my ancestors in Scotland. We wouldn’t have had to come to the this mean country if we hadn’t been run out of our own by British imperialism.
I’ve never been sure if mine emigrated from Scotland because of oppression by the English, the stinking weather, because they’d pissed off all the other plaid-asses and were one step ahead of the hangman or because they heard that there were more cattle to steal in America.
Probably, they came to America for the same reasons that Noo Yawkers come to Florida: taxes are low, weather is nice and the Townies are a bunch of doofuses who work for nothing.
Almost ALL of us are descended from immigrants who got run out of someplace else for being a pain in the ass. Some rode across standing up and pukining over the rail and some rode lying down, in chains.
All came to the same place.
“I realized then AAs do not particularly want you to “be nice to them” solely out of white guilt.
Although some of my AA friends admit they’ll exploit white guilt to get what they want, however they don’t respect or trust white folks who are “being nice” solely out of guilt for America’s slavery history.”
Hearing this kind of thing just gets me all kind of annoyed. Are there legions of psychic AA’s that can read my mind and differentiate between my normal nice and guilt nice?
I’m nice to people. Not just black people, every kind of people. I smile at people and say hello when I make eye contact. I help people who’ve dropped things. I thank people when they hold a door for me and I hold doors for other people. I excuse myself when I pass in front of people. It’s called common courtesy and apparently it’s so rare in this country that no one can believe a person would be polite just to be polite.
Do I need to be afraid that if the other person is black, that they are secretly sneering at me for falling all over myself to be nice out of white guilt? Do I need to wear a sign that I’m not a white apologist, just someone that was raised to have manners?
I’ve never heard of anything like this before. These people who are screening for the appropriate level of guilt-free nice must be exceptionally jaded people if they can’t just appreciate that there are still some polite people of any color in this society. We should be encouraging common decency, not examining it for ulterior motives.
You shy of touching a nerve?
Americans are finally waking up and seeing that obama is brainless, clueless, and incompetent; just like they did for bush and the iraq war, the msm (with the assistance and complicity of the DNC) is attempting to ram obama down our throats (unvetted and filled with lies and deception); IT WON’T WORK THIS TIME BECAUSE WE ARE HIP TO THE CON!
americans are finally waking up and seeing that obama is brainless, clueless, spineless, and incompetent; just like they did for bush and the iraq war, the msm is attempting to ram obama down our throats (unvetted and filled with lies and deception); IT WON’T WORK THIS TIME BECAUSE WE ARE HIP TO THE CON!
Would a true Christian lie in a church of Christ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ad3Uo9niiU
OT: Ricky Martin endorses Hillary! Way to go Ricky!
And Hillary has a double your impact donation thing until Saturday night at midnight.
Thanks for posting this !
This is indeed important: we need to help in any way we can and they are matching our contributions.
She needs help to mobilize the people in Puerto Rico to come out and vote.
Obama is on the airwaves a lot.
She needs help to get her message out. She needs the popular vote: the people to come out for her.
Usually more than 70% of Puerto Rico participate in elections and they are talking now it will be only about 50% now.
We need turn out !!
They need help also in the phone banks; if you speak spanish more so.
I think that’s propaganda bullshit from the Obama campaign. They love to say something is true before it happens in order to make it happen.
Sad news for them: this doesn’t seem to be working too well. Look at all the times they’ve counted Hillary out.
Let me tell you people something. YOU DISGUST ME AND SO DOES HILLARY CLINTON!
I am a life-long Democrat and I have NEVER voted for a Republican, but after the vicious lies Clinton and sites such as No Quarter have disseminated about Barack Obama, and after Hillary Clinton showing her true colors and suggesting a political assassination of Obama would give her the WH - I am done being polite.
Should anything happen to Barack Obama from here on out, I swear I will register as a Republican and vote for John McCain. There is NO WAY I will EVER vote for Hillary Clinton! I can assure you, I have heard and read of many others who have since decided the very same thing.
Hillary Clinton is one sick person! And so are you phony Democrats here!
Bang! I hope that was the door after your stupid ass got hit by it …. those who are not going to learn by history are doomed to repeat it. Buh-bye.
And if you think the proud white race is going to be enslaved, think again.
We`ll mark you down as undecided then.
Wow, who said anything about enslaving anybody?
Spoken like a true OB follower.
Savor the hate. Obama 08.
Now go back to where you belong.
The truth is never pretty. Running away from it won’t solve anything.
the truth?
J Straight
May 29th, 2008 at 12:02 am
On the matter of the military service of Charlie Payne, the great-uncle of Barack Obama:
His full name is Charles Thomas Payne and he IS the uncle (the term “uncle” has in fact been used even for great-uncles in that family) who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war, he isolated himself at home for some time.
Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is an active, mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.
This information was obtained tonight from a phone conversation with members of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.
CORRECT info:
1. Charles’ middle initial is “T”, not “W”;
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.
Charles is the second of FOUR Payne siblings:
1. Madelyn Lee
2. Charles Thomas
3. Margaret Arlene
4. Jon Virgil, (born 1937, which is why there is no listing for him in the 1930 Census of Augusta City, Butler County, Kansas. This census has been the only source offered for “Payne sibling info” oin all of the genealogical sites cited by those interested in this story.
I suspect that the listing for Charles E. Payne of Kansas is in fact the record for Charles Thomas Payne. I believe the scribe probably heard “E” instead of “T.” That type of error is frequent in census records and in military records where the info is provided orally:
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)
http://www.kshs.org/genealogis…..mit=SEARCH
…and he liberated Auschwitz too. How do I know this? Because Obama told me so and he never lies.
What about the vicious g’d truth of Rev.Wright?
You assume we are all Democrats here. We are Hillary supporters from many different backgrounds.
Your assassination claim is baseless since Obama himself accepted Hillary’s explanation. You can blame the Obama campaign for your fear since they caused the whole brouhaha over nothing. Did you forget the Obama campaign sent an email with Olbermann’s tirade about her remarks attached? Did you forget Axelrod had to tell everyone to move on when Stephanopolus pointed out the email?
You are acting very irrational in my view or are ignoring FACTS for political gain.
About RFK assassination remark:
They’re so vain…always think we’re talking about
them…oh so vain!
Mrs. V. Cardell:
You are no Democrat. Shame on you.
You disgust me.
Why are you here?
why are you here troll?
go away. you disgust me.
go be bull shit girl somewhere else.
What’s with you? Who are you responding to?
you’re an I D I O T.
repeat I D I O T.
The fact that you BELIVE that she was suggesting he be assassinated is what makes you…an I D I O T.
Got it, moron?
Well, you can hardly call it lies when what is presented is simply the bones of his theological mentors laid bare. I am guessing you may be a bit shocked? I guess I wasn’t since I was a student once upon a time and studied this movement through literature, etc.
As for “Real” Democrats, I’m a “Real” Democrat. I’ve voted straight Democratic ticket for over 30 years. That qualifies me completely. I’m also a “Real” Democrat who believes that our messed up caucus/delegate system has saddled us with a very unprepared and inappropriate candidate. I’ve not liked several Democratic candidates in the past, but I’ve never decided, as I have this year, that it would be irrepsponsible to vote for this candidate. It’s not a matter of the vitriolic attacks on Hillary. I’d get over that one. I’m just not one to hang onto mad long. It’s not the gaffes. It’s been a long primary. I get it.
It IS the obvious. He’s out of his league. He is simply unprepared to be president.
It shocks you to learn that there are people who actually make up that 40% who have been telling pollsters all along: Hillary or McCain, but not Obama? Yes, we type, too.
BTW, we also own businesses, have careers, went to college, and know how not to burp in public. I suspect you’ve hoped that we were all what MSN portrayed.
And we also aren’t afraid to discuss the touchier aspects of this candidate’s life.
It’s a valid part of who Obama is. You, I’m sure, insisted on Hillary’s tax returns and probably on McCain’s medical records. Yet you’re squeamish about this?
There will be demands now, btw, on Obama’s true records being released. The free ride on Hillary’s coattails is over.
Any President other than John McCain at this point is simply too dangerous. Hillary can’t win and Barack will kill us all, starting with the whitest.
John McCain will protect us from both.
Mrs. V. Cardell is going to register as a Republican. You have been put on notice. That is so scary. Now I’m too upset to finish my lunch.
Good, vote for McCain! That way we can keep racist like Obama out of the white house! Thanks so much!
What lies? Refute them then..prove he does not have ties to Anti American views… black liberation, communism, radical Islam, terrorist groups, corrupt politicians,money laundering, drug use, etc., etc. The proof of all of these things are being shown to you…refute it by doing more than HOPING for CHANGE.
I can not believe that you really believe the remark regarding RFK had something to do with Senator Obama; how can you compare an end date for campaigning to an assasination plot, ridiculous, simply amazing. THe MSM need to stop planting these seeds of evil into our networks..
The ego is such that everything is about Obama …. everything … when Bush talks, it’s about Obama … when Hillary talks, its about Obama …. when you talk, it’s about Obama … and we’re all a bunch of racists …. isn’t that clear to you yet? I am just so damn sick of the whole thing. If ever a candidate has done more to further the lack of interest in helping cure racism, Barack Obama is that candidate. Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! I am so tired of it ….
Beebop,
Yesterday, or day before that, NPR was gving a round up of McCains speech on Nuclear Non Proliferation in Colorado. Not once did McCain mention Obama or any other candidate - just his plan for policy.
The end of the story? Obama claimed that McCain was talking about HIS Nuclear Non-Proliferation plans and accused MCain of taking his ideas.
BO’s arrogance and belief that the entire world and everything in it revolves soley on him, is now well past nauseating.
Hmmm….Tapes from TUCC don’t lie…it is what it is…
BWAAAAHAAAA!!!!!!
You amuse me to no end..
half of the party is leaving if Hillary is not the nominee.
the AA block of Obama suporters want Hillary on the ticket as VP and on exit polls in NC 79% say they would vote for Hillary were she the nominee.
your chosen candidate is anti American, is full of radical connections, is a sell out to anyone with the right price, foreign leaders and terror groups are already excited for hi to get the nomination..I wont pay an increased 30% SS payroll tax to fund his shady deals and plans..neither will the rest of America
it is Hillary or McCain
and thank God for Larry and his work, the MSM is a disgrace, read a blurb or two form McClelans book, they sold us Dubyah, they sold us Iraq and they are trying to shove Uhhbama on us b/c we wont buy him..
Hillary is a patriot and a hero for continuing to fight for we, THE PEOPLE..
We are with Hillary all the way to Denver and the White House!!
If Pelosi thinks she can take impeachment off the table and then step in and end this before the convention she will get her awakening sooner than November..
STEP OFF NANCY, YOU HAVE GONE A BRIDGE TOO FAR WITH THIS MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. STOP NOW BEFORE YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS IN DC DEMANDING YOUR RESIGNATION…
must be nice to wear rose-colored blinders all day long.
Poor you!
Your disgust and hatred is based on lies! You have been played by the gutter politics of Barack Obama!
Poor you - played for the sucker you are!
Mrs. what ever.
We feel sorry for you, as a person who has lost the ability to think for yourself.
Please seek professional help as soon as possible.
The problem with delusional people such as Mrs. V. Cardell is you can’t talk to them in a rational intelligent way. She provides no examples of the “hate” that has been directed at Bambi at this site, she has jumped on the howling dog band wagon of Olbermann, Dowd, Herbert, and Robinson over the RFK statements. If you want the straight story about the hypocrisy of these howling dogs go to http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh052808.shtml
I have never seen a posting about Bambi at this site that has not been backed up with either video or links to his speeches, or articles about him. When you go to Kos, Countdown, or Huffington all you get is rant and screed with out any supporting evidence.
So Mrs. Cardell I would suggest a long rest in a padded room or electro shock treatments. These are the only thing that will help get you beyond the cult-aide you have drank and back among the fact based community.
Oh, Mrs V Cardell, Bill Kristol, Dick Cheney, the guy who trolls NQ, Howard Dean and every consultant in Washington, what’s the difference?
>>> …suggesting a political assassination of Obama would give her the WH - I am done being polite.
Did I miss the memo on this, or are these the yappings of yet another little dog?
Any Hillary supporter holding the view that violence against Senator Hope-a-Dope would advance their/her cause would surely express them much more subtly.
Here’s an example:
“Let’s get him a room at the Loraine!”
See? Secret, Subtle Racism requires much more wit than simply pointing fingers and shreiking, “WHITE OPPRESSOR PIG!!! YOU BUY ME SOME SHINY SHIT AND GIMME YOUR SLED OR I’LLL BURN THE GHETTO DOWN!!!!”
Michael Vick and Pacman Jones in 2012!!!
I am so tired of people like you who think that noone else can have an opinion of this man. The facts are right in front of you and still you can’t see it. Obama is the phony. And don’t worry we will not be voting for him.
I am asking you seriously — What is it about the above that disgusts you? Does it make you afraid? Do you think it was taken out of context? Do you think the videos do not represent the truth?
From what sources have you gotten your information about Hillary Clinton?
Your questions and emotions are real and they need to be heard if we are to get past the current times and get to the real work that needs to be done.
Aw, how lovely! Are you being so sweet because you’re afraid he might lose? And you’re being so nice because you know you need us in November if he’s the nominee? So if one of the insane, violent Obama fans does something to Hillary or any of her supporters, I suppose we can blame you? I’d like to be there when your blood pressure makes your head explode after Hillary is named the Democratic nominee. Good times.
a lot of hate here, hm? It would encourage you to start by not hating yourself so much and then move on to hate others less. No matter who you vote for, it is bad for you to be so hateful.
“suggesting a political assassination of Obama would give her the WH “…
boy - you are one dumbass Obamacrat arent ya?
Anybody who says that stuff is too dumb to breed…
Go look at harris apology for the politico’s work on this “story”
We have 20 million seriously stupid people on our hands and theyre the ones supporting the barry…
Morons.
OBAMA IS THIS YOU POSTING AND POSING AGAIN?
YOU HAVE ALOT OF BLOG NAMES.
Much, much worse is being posted about Clinton on all pro-Obama sites, and by Obama supporters. Clinton never said or intimated anything of the sort. I suggest you look at the you tube video before promoting lies. However an Obama supporting journalist did say Hillary should be killed.
Larry is not telling tales - but trying to expose some things we should know about.
As far as Obama’s family and service, if Obama didn’t obfuscate the truth so much we would trust his word more. It’s like crying wolf - at some point you need to check every claim.
As a fellow life-long Democrat, it’s beyond boggling to hear fellow Democrats accuse Hillary Clinton of suggesting the assassination of anyone.
She said nothing of the sort. Either you’ve been bamboozled or you willfully choose to believe it despite of the clear reality that it’s patently false because it suits your ends.
If the former, listen to the actual audio in it’s entirety. Considering that one of the Obama talking points on Wright is that his words were “taken out of context,” perhaps it would be appropriate to do your due diligence and headlong in the hypocrite dog pile.
But based on your vitriol and readiness to slander us as false liberals, I’m gonna guess it’s the latter and you just came here to work off some of the sugar buzz from all that kool-aid.
What’s the flavor this week, by the way? Change Cherry? Gaffe’y Grape? Messiah Mango? Well, I guess it’s unimportant. It’s all empty calories, anyway.
*your due diligence and not dive headlong in the hypocrite dog pile.
The change that Obama talks about is the liberation of blacks at the expense of white people. All those white people that voted for him are in for a rude awakening when they realise that “change” is all about the removal of white power into the hands of blacks. This is the new coalition you’ve been hearing about. They are not interested in equality.
You have to wonder how you can hate on white people and not be a racist. For 20 years, there’s no way anyone could have stayed in that church unless they’re ok with racism and are themself racist.
Frankly, it explains where all the hate comes from in the Obama campaign. I’m from a minority (not black) and we had to stop blaming the majority for all our problems. It made things MUCH worse. Once we started addressing issues without resorting to putting people in groups and saying those groups were to blame, things started improving. But from the looks of it, things are about to get MUCH MUCH worse for the US. Obama can’t stop himself from classifying people.
Larry must be proud.
An explict defense of “white power” at this blog. This post is being forwarded to the SPLC, ADL and other groups that monitor racism.
I think you forget their are AA Hillary supporters on this blog regularly and they won’t agree with your racism call at all. And you are late, we haven’t been called racists for at least half an hour.
*blink*
You are into censorship? How does that line up with your supposed progressive principles?
Weird. But then, those who claim to be radical have struck me as incredibly regressive this year on many occasions.
I won’t let the thought police tell me what to say or think.
And that whiner needs to file a complaint about Obama with the ADL. Obama’s campaign has been racist.
From above post:
“All those white people that voted for him are in for a rude awakening when they realise that “change” is all about the removal of white power into the hands of blacks.”
How is this different from statements from the Klan. You are being monitored, fuckers.
toosky……some people will believe that extreme. Just as some believed that Hillary is hoping for assasination.
It’s just weirdo thinking. This is the age of taking things to extremes, I guess.
But don’t get so upset.
On the other hand, the discussion does help to elucidate some of his characteristics which have baffled me, for one. Such talk about unity while being divisive. Such an emphasis on how everyone matters while absolutely seeking to destroy Hillary Clinton’s career, not just win a race. It’s been perplexing to watch.
However, if you’ve been entertaining divisive thinking for 20 years, then it’s not so hard to grasp why he does this now with ease.
So it’s useful.
Me? I think capitalism is the real trumpet. LOL* I am a true cynic.
He’ll drop the superficial aspects of this theology like a hot potato to join, in spite of what he claims.
They all do.
That was a reasonable point - I am not a supporter of Obama, I agree that both him and Hilary are creatures of the ruling class. You can make reasonable points about division vs. unity, etc. without using hateful statements.
You want to stop capitalism? Stop depending on electoral politics.
From your posts, it seems to me that you are indeed an Obama supporter.
I find the views of AA’s who support a separatist movement interesting with respect to Obama. They are divided about him, but for the opposite reasons we are.
the Black Agenda Report has interesting articles, and bloggers remain very civil to one another even when in disagreement.
Also, the Chicago Defender (one of the oldest AA papers) is running a VP poll. Out of 8 or so candidates one is AA, Colin Powell, and he tops the list followed by Richardson and Clinton who are almost tied.
Monitor this and did you ask the ADL to monitor Obama?
tootsky.
“You are being monitored, fuckers”
And would you tell BO to monitor this;
..!..
“You are being monitored, fuckers.”
Yawn.
LOL!
Toosky has already admitted he/she is openly a socialist.
If anybody’s being “monitored,” it’s toosky.
Good grief, these people are FOOLS.
The history of state-run communism is all about censorship and absolute control. It’s a truly ugly, unenlightened political blight, which is why it’s almost dead.
Tootsky, you’re truly delusional. It’s so sad.
This is a really underhanded comment. I NEVER said that whites should keep power to themselves or that blacks shouldn’t be represented. I’m saying that I don’t believe in racial motivations for power. And Obama clearly is. Is it too much to ask to lift ALL of America?
Your race baiting is offensive and unwarranted. I stand against racism of all forms, yet you attribute this want for balance to the agenda of the KKK. Nice one.
Tootsky,
You forgot the Human Rights commission.
You know tootsky, you almost had me. Given what appeared a sincere effort above to have a discussion - it seemed you had been fed false information and I was going to try and show you how to look for information.
After your scree about us here being Racist - I have changed my mind. I am not qualified to assist those that need de-programming before they are able to learn how to think and find information.
While you are at it, please give these two videos to all those groups you mentioned:
From CSPAN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=related
From Nation of Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxNeGOXSoA
And could you explain WHY these are NOT racist or Hate?
I laughed when I saw that post. How many articles were published on HuffPo regarding gender, followed by hundreds of nasty posts from people I hope to never have to really meet in life referring to our “vaginas” and worse.
At first I was shocked. I must admit. I got a thicker hide quickly. I had NO idea that men thought this way about women. I clearly have been treated a bit like a princess in life. (Thank goodness!) My own boy child is for Obama now and still won’t admit it entirely to me. He’s very careful.
I consider him to be properly raised.
I had this same argument with Jeralyn at TalkLeft. We’re to open up discussions on race, but if you do so, it’s race-baiting?
*hooting*
So much for open discourse.
We are compatriots, Ann.
Jerralynn tossed me for the same reason.
I typed –IN QUOTES–exactly what Rev. Wright had said in his pulpit, and she banned me.
You’re right. No race discussion is allowed over there.
We are compatriots, Ann.
Jerralynn tossed me for the same reason.
I typed –IN QUOTES–exactly what Rev. Wright had said in his pulpit, and she banned me.
You’re right. No race discussion is allowed over there.
If Germany hadn’t been censorious after the second world war, then Nazis wouldn’t have been discredited. I am all for the marginilization of hate speech, like what exists here.
Mostly, I’m here to discredit and provoke you.
LOL*……I like an honest troll.
I like an intelligent troll, but we don’t have that have that here, now do we?
Sorry but the ADL can’t arrest us for exercising our Constitutional right to freedom of speech. This is not Germany.
It is your opinion there is hate speech here. That does not make it hate speech. Overall the discourse here is civil. You are trying to censor us with threats of being monitored. How totalitarian of you.
Your not doing a very good job at it. You are discrediting yourself.
It isn’t a threat. You are being monitored. I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about my own pseudonymous credibility. What I know is that within a few days this blog’s owners will hear from the Southern Poverty Law Centre. People close to Hilary desperately want to reject and denounceyou too, but fear alienating Hil’s cult followers.
Larry took on the Bush war machine. And if there is some legal challenge I’m sure he’s ready for it.
And now he’s supporting that same war machine objectively.
I’ll let Larry respond to you from here on out if he wants. I doubt he will though.
WHOA!!!
Tootsky, I know from experience that Larry risked MUCH by taking on the Bush empire - talk about not nice people.
Larry’s honesty and directness is a beam of light in what at times is a very dark world.
You made FALSE accusation about the Death Squads;
Here is a very simple History of them
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11542
Here is history of the use of Death Squads in Central America
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/
In both instances you will find John Negroponte at the center of this. He does have an Italian name. Is he Catholic? I do not know, but whatever he calls himself, he certainly will spend the hereafter in hell.
Yet you come here and BLAME the CIA and Larry for events that were organized by one man, who worked for Republican Administrations.
You are smearing a very good man who has shown time and time again how much he loves this country, and who has given more than any of us to it.
Without a solid base of FACTS, your credibility is suspect and you sure are not batting even a hundred in you assertions.
A guy could have quietly quit, or been like Daniel Ellsberg. Those who didn’t are complicit.
I noticed a pattern with you. When one level of tactic fails you ratchet up the rhetoric. First the speech here is racist. Then we are being monitored by the ADL. When that failed the Southern Poverty Law Centre is coming to get Larry.
I don’t believe anything you are saying. Even if it was all true, I don’t see you changing a thing. Larry will continue to bring up what he wants and people will say what they want. I’ve made a mental note to check back on your claim on the law center. But I certainly won’t be holding my breath. You’ve played your hand and I don’t see it amounting to anything.
You must mean the bloggers who are cheerleaders for Hillary. I like them, but they sort of get one’s last nerve after awhile.
This primary has morphed into much bigger than Hillary.
It’s about the identity, obviously, of the Democratic Party. The business of ignoring the working class and acting like they just don’t matter has really struck a deep nerve in most of us.
The redefining of the party is the issue now. Hillary is nothing more than the flag-bearer at this point. And I personally believe she’ll do just that…all the way to the convention.
This line-up with only the urbanites is not going to ring true within most of us, since most of us were raised in areas other than urban areas. We have roots in Arkansas small towns and Indiana suburbs.
We’re not willing to throw them out with the bathwater.
Wright is offensive. Obama bs’d. He hasn’t really done much since then, unless you count Oregon. I don’t. He’s apparently even struggling in SD, and I don’t think that’s expected at all. He’s losing big-time in PR, and that means his efforts with Latinos of any group isn’t going to work.
It’s all about Wright, in my opinion. The decision was made long ago by Obama, and it will kill off his candidacy.
He’s got to own that one.
I would have to disagree with you, again.
This is still very much about Clinton, and the democratic party, and others, working to deliberately deprive her of the nomination.
ADL?
What does that stand for?
Isn’t it Arab Defense League?
The Aryan Defense League?
Tootsy — how is the comment you quoted any different that Rev. Wright’s claims.
By your standards, saying the US givernmnet spread AIDs to kill black people is also hate speech, no?
And the claim that Obama’s got some supersecretplot to ‘enslave’ white people is paranoid, unfounded, and patently absurd, no?
The video is saying white people will be killed and I’m guessing in Jericho white slavery is okey dokey.
You’ll have to ask BO, Rev. Wrong, Rev.
MossSlime, Farrakhan (hell - ask him if he killed Malcolm X) or Cone for sure.It’s their deadly racist movement.
We’re all being monitored.
Are you dense?
I’m ready to defend my comments and would be proud to stand against all forms of racism as I did in my comments. It’s an honour to stand on the side of equality.
I cannot understand why you don’t oppose racism in all its forms as I do.
I don’t understand those who wouldn’t fight for democracy.
Obama is corrupt, for whatever reason the press is not doing, will not do, it’s job.
Should we blindly accept what is being forced on us, like Iraq was forced on us?
No, that would be downright unamerican.
I am sick and tired of being told to shut up and not have an opnion in my country which is a democracy. Period. I am sick and tired of being told who to support in a democracy. Period. If you think you can threaten your way to a presidency, then the results in November are going to be even more embarrassing for Barack Obama than I thought. People are sick and tired of the Race Card being played all over TV every time they turn around. They are rolling their eyes at this point it’s so obvious. And I am sick and tired of a sexist pig who thinks he ought to be president–and even more tire of his sycophants like you.
Uh-Uh, Centre? Not how we spell it here.
Outsource troll alert, people.
Tell us something we don’t already know.
Like did Obama campaign threaten Hillary and need to cover it up with blaming her for what they want to do???
Hint: RFK spew.
Obama is weak and dangerous. He is being investigated for his involvement of the murder of 3 gay men this past Thanksgiving and Christmas season that were from his church.
toosky or what ever your name is. Whether you like it or not freedom of speech is a constitutional right. Whether you agree with the KKK, or the Black Panthers, or the Nazi party or what ever. This is still the United States of America and we have laws of the land. Freedom is the cornerstone of who we are. At least until Obama and his cronies try to take over and destroy the constitution. Yes listen to the videos it is stated in the videos as a goal of BLT.
The worst that could be done to anyone here is a libel suite and that would get thrown out since Obama is a public offical and not a private citzen. We can say anything we want about him. I would say some really interesting stuff about how I feel about Obama now, but that would mean me stooping to your level and its not something I would care to do.
Now one thing I wil bring up about race relations that is an important concept. I doubt you will get this because you seem to have had a double dose of the kool-aid. Now answer these questions.
Is it possible that hate begets hate? Is it possible that by continuing to attack people and accusing them of racism do you raise the chance that the attacked person may come to feel disgust with you and transpose those feelings about you onto the race that you are accusing them of hating?
So, if you think these are possible outcomes of your actions, are you helping race relations or are you regressing progress that has been made?
If one was to accept the above questions as feasible and possible, then would it not also be a possibility that your actions and words are helping you make the oppression you so fear become more of a reality?
I’ll say it one more time hate begets hate. If you hate me that really raises the chance that I’m going to hate you back.
Just some thoughts and they may or may not have any substance.
I suspect that you are a big. drinking. gasbag. with a lot of education and between jobs. You are impressed with your knowledge. But. You’d be alone in your self important self analysis.
“Between jobs”? Beebop, what makes you think Tootsky has ever held a job?
tootsky you can’t discredit and provoke us because you have no meaning to us whatsoever. Basically all you are at this moment is a small zit on our butts. I could post scores of hate posts I had to tolerate against women, but you aren’t worth the work. Let me just say that I care about you as much as you care about me.
He provokes us and discredits himself.
This has nothing to do with white power you fascist putz. This has to do with DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA AND THE PRESERVATION OF IT !
Obama is a FASCIST…OBAMA’S FOLLOWERS ARE EITHER FASCISTS OR LIBERAL DUPES much like the German Dupes who ELECTED Hitler…sheeesh !
yes the ADL told us they couldnt get involved when Wright attacked Jews, Italians, Irish, Whites, Hillary……
Damned right! Who the hell do these marxists think they are anyhow? They can do or say whatever they want and then accuse YOU of being racist just because you recognize a pile of shit when you see it.
The ADL website is where I first read of the connect between farrakhan and Wright.
Youdhave to be one self hating jew to support Obama. I heard theyre selling “another Jew against Obama ” t shirts in lower Manhattan.
yeah Baby!
Agree !!
And I want that T-shirt…
It’s not a defence of white power. That’s the problem with Obama supporters. Always about themselves and never about others. I’m against racism in all its forms. That’s what I was saying. Somehow, you twisted that into white power. Shame on you and your backwards thinking.
And if you think SPLC and ADL support Black Liberation Theology and/or the NOI, you are more confused than most trolls. Exposing anti-Semitism is their numero uno goal.
Tootsky, sign up for a few night classes in American History. That may help.
Trotsky + Toot = Toosky?
Oh please no not the SPLC and ADL. What a troll and fool. Like Morris Dees doesn’t have more important things to do than monitor a site that tells the “documented” truth about Bambi. Hell troll why don’t you why don’t you rat this site out to Bambi himself. He’s the Precious he’s “THE ONE”. With his magic powers of hopeness and changeness he can dispel all evil. In other words go to hell no one cares if you’re going to tattle.
I would think the ADL is more concerned about the shenigans the Obama camp is try to pull on the Jewish popularion.
I think the ADL is monitoring the Obama website for messages from Hamas.
I wondered where all the wigged-out CB Radio hobbyists had slunk off to. Now I know: they’re all Hope-a-Dope trolls!
I believe that if you forward these videos to the Southern Poverty Law Center, that they will tell you that the language of liberation theology as carefully presented herein proports the betterment of one class of people at the cost to another class of people. How different is it from that of the groups that they do track that perform acts of hate against - African Americans, people of Hispanic descent, gays, Asian Americans, ….
The process of hate BEGINS at the point where individual persons are treated as objects, part of a class. SPLC will call it as they see it. I am not sure that Black Liberation Theology (under the guise of being “Christian”) will come out so well in their balance.
oh go tell the secret service…oh yeas…please do…and …oh yeah…and Russert and matthews and Andrew Sullivan and Mo Dowd and all those others who destroyed Gore and now pimp Obarry…oh please do…
What’s that saying form the 40’s? Tell it to the marines.
Like the supporters of the Iraq War who refuse to believe that there were not weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the supporters of Obama will not believe that Obama subscribes to the beliefs of Black Liberation Theology, despite Obama’s long standing membership and participation in that church.
Obama’s supporters will accept Obama’s blatantly false denials about his views as a member of Trinity because to believe otherwise would be too painful and personally threatening.
Why would he renounce and reject principles which are the very core of the church he still attends and takes his kids to? You can’t renounce who you are.
Mrs. V. Cardell - why not hold your breath until you turn blue
Cone’s Black Liberation Theology made sense when it was created in the 60s during our time of horrific racism in this country. To you young folks, I was there…and it was bad. Really bad.
The country has moved on and evolved…and it is ready to evolve further. But, unfortunately, the “post-racial unifier” chosen by the clueless new “progressives” has chosen to take us backwards instead of forwards by clinging to this outdated perspective on race relations. BLT teaches the new generation to see the world as “white oppressors” and “black victims”.
I’ve never witnessed such ignorance as demonstrated by the “new progressives”. Everyone I know who fought against racism in the 60s is outraged by the undoing of MLK’s work by Barack Obama and the new Demoncratic party.
I think it is a handy tool for FASCISM…much like Anti-Semiticism was a handy tool for Hitler. The reason Marxist class struggle never really plays well in the US is that The US does not have the same legacy of Monarchy and Aristocracy that pervaded Europe, as Europe adjusted to the Industrial Revolution….Great Britain is just now debating in Parliament whether to have a formal Constituion even though they have a system of laws that protect citizens. The point I’m making is that FASCISM can only take hold using these traditional tools and in America Cone has defined the Class Struggle as Racial not Aristocratic ( which is the classic Marxist forumla )
This is why it is not just Marxist…but FASCIST
thank you civilrights 4 All, I am with you on your comments.
thank you thank you for bringing this into the light for so many of us lived through this era and felt the pain and today it has been like reliving it all over again.
MLK worked so hard and died for a cause that has been torn apart by these new progressives and Senator Obama. Sad for our nation for we had moved past the old ways.
MLK wasn’t respected or followed by all Blacks of the 1960s. Just before he was assassinated a large segment of the Civil Rights Movement broke off because MLK wasn’t radical enough for their taste.
MLK’s Civil Rights Movement was non violent and believe in using peaceful protest to achieve their goals.
snObama may parrot MLK — but the church he goes to is from the more radical Black Power movement.
Correct….The genius of MLK’s approach which he discovered by studying Ghandi was that systems such as ours ( fundamentally british ) are best changed through the application of the process of change by exposing the hypocrisy of the status quo….
Ultimately Ghandi SHAMED THE BRISTISH EMPIRE OUT OF IT’S HYPOCRISY….AND MLK SHAMED AMERICANS TOO…
This is essentially one of our strengths in America…that we can be shamed into living up to our ideals…FDR did this during the Great Depression when he changed the role of Government in relation to the people….Good Leaders can enact positive change and do not need to resort to FASCIST tactics….
MLK was a man not respected during his lifetime due ostly to the propaganda campaign run by Miss J. Edgar Hoover. His vision has become more accepted and honored as we have moved farther away from those chaotic years. Oh, if only we could have John, Bobby and Martin back again.
We have Hillary and she is very much in the tradition of FDR
A quote I read the other day:
“When people show you who they are, believe them.”
Only took me 50 years to figure THAT one out. I believe my mother said this when I was 10, but I just knew that couldn’t be the case.
I’ll keep that in mind next time I have Father Pfleger over for the thanksgiving.
Wait - what were you talking about?
“The afrocentric liberation theology of Cone and Wright and Pfleger is despicable theology and has no place in the Oval Office.”
I agree, Larry. I don’t understand why it is that Obama supporters rationalize this kind of hate because of the historical of oppression black people. One form of hate cannot replace another of hate.
The same way many in the past have rationized being involed in the Klan. Its no different….
Maybe we should eclect a 20 year vetern of the Klan to the highest office in the land?
What makes you think we haven’t?
OMG Fred…your wit slays me….it really does…chuckle…
NO RACIAL SUPREMACY PHILOSOPHY BELONGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE…
IT IS ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTIHETICAL TO DEMOCRACY….
Agreed!!
Also I’d add that a sexist person of either gender does not belong in the white house.
These were a very nice way to brush up on core concepts. I was struck by one comment about demanding respect. Obama’s “sensitive” nerves have been noted now even by the mainstream. Certainly, we saw it over the LBJ brouhaha. That sensitivity appears to be rooted in a directive of the church.
I also, of course, noted that I’m suppose to “wander in the woods alone.” That describes the political landscape right now, and it also explains why winning isn’t enough. Obama is intent upon destroying Hillary to her core.
The attitude he carries is, indeed, very much in the tradition of his chosen spiritual path.
And he never has explained it.
While he’s wandering in the woods, do you think The Burning Bush will hand him a nice Blood Orange and Arugula salad?
Oy Vey, quite a collection of videos.
I think for political expedience, Obama would “denounce” these beliefs–he recently “denounced” Wright. But we know that was horsepucky, no doubt he and the Rev have their wink-wink going on.
Obama is using the so-called Joshua generation bullshit for personal gain. It’s possible that he sees himself as the messiah, but I think it’s more likely that he’s a sociopath, conning his way up through whatever means possible.
The NOI women, fully covered in white in the Farrakhan clips, are a far cry from Michelle Obama and her designer couture. As Hutchinson laments in his HuffPo piece
.
BTW, fyi, the headline on Huffington Post today is that Rupert Murdoch endorses Obama. Can you image what hell would break loose if Murdoch endorsed Hillary.
These videos need to be seen far and wide.
Three years ago Rupert was the bad guy. I guess being “for” Obama renders him the “good” guy …. everyone wants themselves a piece of Barry, eh?
Perhaps, still on Fire Island or Truro, but I don’t think anyone in the Castro wants any part of him now…
Louis Farrakhan is as alien to me as the concept of slave ownership. To “preach” and spread the kind of poisonous separatism that he does is not only counter productive, it issolates his “followers” nearly the same as the extreme Mormons coming out of the ranch in Texas. To offer an illusion and blaim the lack of fulfillment of that dream on another is to deny the opportunity to take up for yourself and make your destiny. By keeping the group “down,” the leadership keeps its flock. It is the worst form of abuse I think I have ever witnessed. How can the same group that admires Malcolm X admire his murderer Farrakhan? What an awfully confused history Barack trades upon.
I’m not quite so put off. I had forgotten my 60’s literature studies. We were all into this crud in the early 70s.
It’s interesting to see how it’s been carried through in the churches.
It obviously still resonates with people. Look at the support from the members.
But I have to admit, I’m as put off by some of the feminist rhetoric which is similar in tone and attitude.
Same shoe. Different foot.
What femininst rhetoric are you referring to that is “similar in tone and attitude” to what we’ve seen in these videos? AnninCa, I really haven’t heard anything like this from anyone purporting to be a feminist except from, perhaps, Valerie Solanas years ago, and she was not well mentally. Who are the women and where is the movement that is calling for the destruction of men?
Not here……on other blogs. And yes, there’s a lot of similar rhetoric. “Either you’re for us or you’re the enemy,” type talk.
All of it turns me off, personally.
I just am a nut on not labeling. I think it’s the cheap ticket way.
Obama doesn’t get my support as a Democrat because he’s clearly not prepared for the job. Hillary caused an uproar when she said that, but she was right. Bill and Hillary both have said the hard stuff that needed to be said in this campaign, often to great press reaction.
But I agree with her. McCain and Hillary were always the only two truly viable candidates.
Well I remember reading and studying this in college philosophy courses.
Utimately Marxism is fatally flawed in it’s foundation and flawed in application…It leads to a logical conclusion that is antithetical to it’s thesis….It is an idealism that does not logically account for human nature. This is why it cannot sustain itself and collapses under the weight of it’s own rigidity and the tyranny of enforcement…Marx was a putz…an Illogical Fool as history has repeatedly proven…
You know the writer I most admire who really wrote about marxism and the impact on real lives?
Doris Lessing. Now, if you’re vaguely depressed, don’t read her autobiography.
But if you’re stable, give it a read. It’s an amazing tale of what really went on in the intelligensia.
What struck me? I’m obviously a different generation. What struck me was how very codependent they were. Man, talk about sick relationships.
The problem with Marxism is that like any rigid philosophy it leads to Puritanism..which in turn leads to Totalitarianism…Fundamentally as flawed as our system is it is because of the elasticity of application that allows our system to right itself in accordance to foundational principles…this and the simple fact that we do not have an aristocratic class system which prohibits social mobility. It is this system of social suffocation that Marx railed against but his own solution results in it’s own tyranny at the expense of the Individual…which of course illogically ignores human nature which is an interesting balance between the competitive and the charitable, amongst many other things….imho
*** One of my former favorite party pranks was to engage staunch republicans in a discussion of whether Jesus would have made a good socialist…they were appalled which was half the fun…Given this resurgence of Liberation Theology…not so fun now…***
>>> I had forgotten my 60’s literature studies. We were all into this crud in the early 70s.
In a place of Poor Quality, far, far away, I was reading Eric Hoffer betweens patrols, ambushes, and getting mortared.
Hoffer referred to Cleaver’s magnum opus as, “Soul on Crap.” AFter revisiting the work in 1999, I have to say that the solon of the waterfront was spot-on!
“Whenever people are well informed they can be trusted with their own government” - Thomas Jefferson
Thanks Larry.
Islam is a Judeo-Christian heresy.
Islam is not a Judeo - Christian heresy. Heresy in the classic definition is a doctrine which is in opposition to the Orthodoxy. In this sense since Islam was never part and parcel to either Judaism or Christianity it is not a heresy imho…Christianity was originally a Jewish Heretical sect and as such an abomination accordng to Jewish Law and Tradition…Islam is much younger than either Judaism or Christianity and borrowed the Old Testament as a referential starting point to gain legitimacy for it’s new doctrine….This was a common practice as Christians ( heretical Jews and Pagans ) incorporated both Judaism and Greek Mysticism in the development of Christology. It is this Christology that formed the schism with Judaism….
IMHO to say that Islam is a Judeo - Chritian Heresy would be akin to saying that Buddism is as well…they are not related just different…
Perhaps, heresy would not be entirely accurate. Let’s say that, IMHO, Mohammed co-opted Judeo-Christian doctrine/history. He weaves Moses, Noah and even Christ into his narrative.
Agreed…Judaism has a rich tradition of retelling stories in the Torah in order to maintain Theological consistancy and legitimacy of later prophecies…Saul a Jewish Scholar and pharisee was well versed in this skill and understood it’s importance to the interpretation of the Torah. When Saul became Paul, it was he who used this ancient cultural device to define Jesus as the culmination of prophetic events by introducing Christology….Thus both the Torah and the New Testament have continuity which was vital for adoption of the New Faith…Kinda like instant legitimacy….Mohammed simply adopted a similar device…Joseph Smith used his own variation when he wrote the Book of Mormon…that is he ” borrowed a few bits and corrected them to fit his thesis ”
Not sure what the academic term is…either Mishna or Midrash…
>> Kafir
Interesting screen name, depending upon whether one considers the term Boer or Middle Eastern.
It is Arabic in root, as I’m sure you already know. The Boers must have picked it up from the Muslim slave traders. It is not a term of endearment in either case.
no - it means unbeliever.
The Koran does not actually ever use the word unbeliever. It calls non-Muslims, kafirs. Kafir literally means, “one who covers”. That is, one who knows the truth, but covers it up, a deceiver. Notice the implication–you know that Mohammed is really the true prophet of Allah, but you won’t admit it.
The common/easiest “translation” would, indeed, be unbeliever.
I have not, and will not, submit.
It is the Boer/Afrikaans equivalent of the “N” word.
I think that you’d find that S. African apartheid and the Islamic laws for treatment of kafirs and dhimmis to be quite similar. The Boers learned a lot from the Muslims.
I haven’t been there since 1998, but it appeared then that the previously-oppressed Majority is making up for lost time. Particularly in their treatment of Indians and Pakistanis.
BEAUTIFUL country (territory), especially on the Indian Ocean coast; f’ed-up country and society, unless you have a large pile of ducats.
that whole “assassination bullshit spin was for the benefit of obama to stir up more hate. his stupid name was never mentioned anywhere in hillary’s comment, yet it still goes on in the sick minds of some. it just goes to show you that the obama people are desperate in their attempts to try anything. i really like that “savor the hate, obama 08.” if hillary is forced out of this race, lets send it to the mccain camp…….
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5/29/2008
Ricky Martin Endorses Hillary for President
Today, the Clinton campaign announced the endorsement of Puerto Rican artist Ricky Martin.
“These elections will have historic repercussions both in the United States and the world. Senator Clinton has always been consistent in her commitment with the needs of the Latino community. Whether fighting for better education, universal health care and social well-being, as First Lady and Senator from New York — representing millions of Latinos –she has always fought for what is most important for our families,” said the 5-time Grammy award winning artist.
“I am honored to have Ricky Martin’s support,” said Senator Clinton. “In addition to his great talent, Ricky is committed to improving the world through his philanthropic work, and I am grateful for his support. He is a very important voice in the Latino community and together we will work to improve the lives of families and children across the country.”
Martin joins other figures — including Madonna, Elizabeth Taylor, Eva Longoria, Jack Nicholson, America Ferrera, Barbra Streisand, Elton John, Michael Douglas, Robert Kennedy Jr., Quincy Jones and Magic Johnson, among others — in support of Hillary Clinton.
This kind of change is scary…..
http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/
Excellent article and research by Larry.
Over at the American Thinker website Kyle-Anne Shiver goes a step further and ties BLT to Marxism and socialism. She writes in “Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx,” the following:
“Liberation Theology and the New Order of Things
James Cone devotes many words in all of his books to instructing his disciples to beware of those resistant to the necessary change in the power structure, warning that,
“those who would cast their lot with the victims must not forget that the existing structures are powerful and complex…Oppressors want people to think that change is impossible.” (James H. Cone; Speaking the Truth; p. 49)
Pope Benedict XVI (writing as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger) give an equally stringent message to Catholics about liberation theology regarding the perversion of the Christian understanding of the “poor”:
“In its positive meaning the Church of the poor signifies the preference given to the poor, without exclusion, whatever the form of their poverty, because they are preferred by God…But the theologies of liberation…go on to a disastrous confusion between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx. In this way they pervert the Christian meaning of the poor, and they transform the fight for the rights of the poor into a class fight within the ideological perspective of the class struggle.”
According to Pope Benedict’s instruction on liberation theology, our understanding of the virtues, faith, hope and charity are subjugated to the new Marxist order:
Faith becomes “fidelity to history.”
We are the ones we’ve been waiting for, to bring about the final fruition of the class struggle.
Hope becomes “confidence in the future.”
Yes, we can change the world; we don’t need God. Our collective redemption comes when we engage in the Marxist class struggle.
Charity becomes “option for the poor.”
All are not created equal. Special political privilege for the oppressed, socialism, will set us free.
It’s the dawn of a new age.”
The average American voter, when they learn this about Obama, will not vote for him.
A link to the long, but worth the time to read, article follows:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html
maybe the Pope can get Pflagler out of the pulpit, I am outraged and called the diocese…
Pope Benedict has been fighting Liberation Theology for 40 years…It is a dangerous mix of psuedo christianity and Marxism…It is theological Heresy as it minimizes and changes the very identity of Jesus Christ and the role of Salvation as upheld as a binding theological to all the Christian Churches….
Pope Benedict is a theologian of the first order ( One of the most educated Pontiffs to take office in modern times…) He has zero tolerance for Liberation Theology and as Pope has increased authority to take action within the church on proponents of this philosophy…
I’d say that Pfleger’s days are numbered once this hits the fan…Benedict as Ratzinger was fierce….
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5/29/2008
HUBdate: Why Hillary is the Strongest Candidate
Why Hillary is the Strongest Candidate: In a letter to all superdelegates, Hillary outlines her case for why she believes she is the strongest candidate: “I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President – and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.” Read more here. For additional information - read the letter, memo, and general election matchup information here.
Swing-State Advantage: According to Gallup: “In the 20 states where Hillary Clinton has claimed victory in the 2008 Democratic primary and caucus elections (winning the popular vote), she has led John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily trial heats for the general election over the past two weeks of Gallup Poll Daily tracking by 50% to 43%. In those same states, Barack Obama is about tied with McCain among national registered voters, 45% to 46%…In contrast, in the 28 states and the District of Columbia where Obama has won a higher share of the popular vote against Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries and caucuses, there is essentially no difference in how Obama and Clinton each fare against McCain…All of this speaks to Sen. Clinton’s claim that her primary-state victories over Obama indicate her potential superiority in the general election.” Read more.
A Champion For Native Americans: At a campaign stop in Kyle, SD yesterday, Hillary spoke to a “mostly Native audience of about 350 people” and pledged to fight for the issues that affect Native American veterans as well as all Native American families. “I will be your champion. I will fight for you. I will stand up for you. And I will work my heart out for you.” Read more.
Puerto Rico Matters: Puerto Rico and its citizens are gearing up for a “chance for Puerto Ricans to shout to the world about what’s important to them” on primary day on Sunday.” Because of its extraordinarily high turnout rate, it’s possible that the number of voters that come out to vote on Sunday will be “about the same number that turned out in states like Missouri and New Jersey.” Read more.
If You Watch One Thing Today: Staffers on Hillary’s campaign describe their support. Watch Here
Previewing Today: Hillary hosts “Solutions For South Dakota’s Future” events in Huron, SD and Watertown, SD.
On Tap: Hillary will host a “Rally for Puerto Rico’s Families” in Old San Juan, PR.
Just keep playing these videos and the voters will be so turned off at this militancy they will surely let it be known in November. I am sick and tired of being hit over the head with “guilt”.
Larry,
Since it seems all but inevitable that Obama will indeed be the Democratic Party nominee, would you choose John McCain over him?
Barack Obama is even more unqualified to be President than George W. Under no circumstances will I support him and will do all I can to defeat him.
Scary words from a fan of the second amendment, eh?
Why is the bureaucratic class so afraid of Obama? Will he clip your wings or something?
Let’s just say we (unlike certain communists) prefer Truth over Pravda.
Perhaps those who have never lived under a Marxist government should experience it before speaking. As in “animal farm” a class society does emerge from marxist society. It is the class of the people in power vs. the proletariat, and it happens with every marxist society. In order to control the proletariat you use the KGB, massive deportations, murder of family members in front of thier families, splitting up of families, suppression of the press, language and culture, and use the oppressors culture in place of that of the oppressed entirely.
How do I know this? I went behind the iron curtain several times, and lived in Berlin for 13 years. My family suffered so much that now they are the equivalent of republicans.
It is so easy to bebe a marxist in a land that is free. But then you never had that freedom snatched from you.
Oh, and the people in power? They lived in mansions, got everything of luxury class - furniture, appliances, designer for free including food that the proletariat had not seen in years such as oranges and lemons.
Yes.
Much like the Chicago political machine, who scream a lot to get government “help,” but THEY live in mansions and the poor still don’t have heat.
And Michelle complains about not being able to pay $10,000 a year for her daughters’ dance lessons.
There is nothing new under the sun, the Bible tells us.
Larry,
I’ve just returned to your blog recently. I had earlier read your insightful commentaries on intelligence matters around the time the Valerie Plame story broke.
I’ve got to admit I’m somewhat taken aback by the stridency of your criticism of Obama, but am willing to listen.
Obama began his exploratory committee after 143 days in the US Senate. Clearly he began planning it sooner than that.
Obama isn’t just inexperienced, I believe he will put America and our allies in danger. True danger, not just the vitriol that George W. elicited from the world.
If people did their homework about facts, policies and historical precedents, and laid off the hope/change wishful thinking, no one would vote for BO, the half-baked opportunist.
Are you kidding? George W. is the MOST qualified person alive right now - two terms as President of the United States, and the vast majority of it post-9/11.
He didn’t seem to get much better over time, did he? I don’t think experience is his problem, Larry baby.
Oh my — you do have a strange sense of humor!
Oh, you are subtle!
Tootsky, you represent your candidate well. As per your comment, a BO presidency would mean the end to Freedom of Speech as we know it. Any comment exposing truth or opinion critical of BO will be immediately reported to the “racism police”.
Mrs. V. Cardell, you also represent your candidate well – a proud graduate of the BO indoctrination machine.
FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES….nuff said
You all suck, everyone on here Kos, HuffPo, you all suck. This is the fuckin Democratic party, on the verge of what should be the biggest victory in generations because of the damage this Administrations done to the country. And all you can do is pick fights with each other about insignificant differences, demonize the opponent and deify your candidate. They’re both great candidates and if you can’t realize this, you all have some serious hang-ups and I suggest getting checked out. We exposed the lies of the Bush Admin and have a chance to change Americanpolitics forever with one of these candidates, but you’re all too petty to realize it. It’ll come back to haunt us, what’s taking place on the Blogs. Although I’m comforted with the fact that the vast majority of Americans don’t hear this vitriol. But it won’t change because of the ignorance that is displayed on this site and countless other sites…on both sides. I will be voting for the Democrat in 2008, no matter who that is, because I realize what we’re fighting for is bigger than one woman or man. A plague on both your houses. OUT.
That’s fine, Please leave your liberties at the door on your way out.
I think we’re just becoming “real.” The rhetoric of the “We Hate Bush” has produced nothing valuable.
I’ve always known, within, that it wouldn’t. Nothing good comes from negativity.
All the Democratic Party is offering is a bunch of bad leaders with bad ideas, frankly. They aren’t worth following at this point.
That’s the bottom line.
The party is the problem. They aren’t in any better shape than the Republicans.
The “mythical” savior party story has been busted wide open.
Hillary was right. *sigh*
There is so much real work to be done, and nobody willing to admit it.
Matty, I think you need to stay off the internet if it’s stressing you out so much. Take comfort in the knowledge that we each only get one vote and one opinion.
Yeah Barky’s theology is toxic like Love Canal and Chernobyl.
But whats worse is about half of the Democratic party and almost of all of the establishment and MSM doesn’t give a shit.
Hell a good many of them agree with Wright.
It also shows the levels of moral and intellectual bankruptcy that permeates the party.
So to me its no surprise that then the party would choose a home grown version of Robert Mugabe and Winnie Mandela for POTUS.
Roman Catholics believe in demonic possession. Clearly we can’t have any of them in the White House. (oops we did-how did that work out?) Mormons believe despite all evidence to the contrary that Native Americans are descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. Clearly they are all insane.
Pentecostals believe in glossolalia (speaking in tounges) and being slain in the spirit-can’t have any of them in positions of trust. Jews believe in the gentile mutilation of infant males, what savages! Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterians and others believe dunking people in water somehow rises away past transgression. They drink wine in the belief that is actually Blood! They raise the act of cannibalism to a symbolic rite! Can’t trust those folks in positions of power.
At this rate the only electable people will be Unitarian-Universalists. Not necessarily a bad outcome but a very small talent pool to draw from.
You missed the point of the diary.
Actually James the RCC is extremly careful about all supernatural phenomena epsecially when claims of this are used to exploit people…Better get your facts straight…I suggest you actually learn more than watching the Exorcist and study up….SHEEEESH !
Or Left-Handed, Albino Zoroastrians.
Farrakhan: “Barack Obama has captured the youth”.
Here is a thought for all the Obamabots, it is called Astroturfing! False insuance of propaganda to achieve a result!
You Obamabots are playing into Axelrod’s hands with this crap that Hillary gave orders to assassinate Obama, that is bullshit! Who is playing on it, Obamabots via Axelrod and the media! Why, Axelrod is out of business if Obama fails to make the White House!
Why?
Spending almost $300,000,000.00 to obtain the nomination of the DNP!
if successful, needing to spend at least $500,000,000.00 in the run for the White House!
That is $800,000,000.00 $800 MILLION to get a lousy candidate into the White House to do the bidding of his new circle of friends! Axelrod failure is not an option!
So to you Obamabots playing the assassination card, you are dumb as fuck, and playing into an astroturf of Axelrod!
Do not under estimate there being a gunshot sound or a firecracker going off at an Obama rally in the near future in an attempt by Axelrod to close the deal for Obama, it will be an ASTROTURF by Axelrod and something that if it occurs, Axelrod et al should be thrown in jail! Nothing is below contempt with this guy and you’d better be away of the oncoming actions he is promoting by you Obamabot fools!
Do not forget the fake fainters used at rallys to promote Obama as a rock sta status that got some media types with wet legs from the experience! Till called out on it!
This is a call out prior to another Axelrod attempt to stage a fiasco!
I hadn’t heard that the fainters were fake. Where can I find more info? I know the photo of 75,000 fans was a hoax in that they were there for a real rock concert. Geesh, the lies are so pervasive and they never end.
I have to find it again, a major news outlet tried to contact the fainters and suprise the medics couldn’t give out info and at an event, when someone fainted, the media tried to get at her and the fainter was rushed away by staff, and that became the end of fainters at Obama rallys!
Interesting to note that Axelrod first offered his company’s services to Hillary but she declined.
I don’t know about any of this, but it would explain why they’re calling for Hillary to drop out. She’s raising the costs of running and Obama is looking worse by the second.
As usual, I wonder where all that money is really coming from.
Africa and the Middle East.
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Mitchellism, part “Duh!”
Posted on May 29, 2008 by riverdaughter
Obama’s book contradicts his Grandfather in combat:
During Monday’s speech, Obama said: “My grandfather marched in Patton’s Army, but I cannot know what it is to walk into battle like so many of you.”
In a 2002 anti-war speech, Obama told the audience, “My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.”
But in his autobiography, “Dreams of My Father,” Obama states his grandfather never engaged in combat.
“Gramps returned from the war never having seen real combat, and the family moved to California, where he enrolled at Berkeley under the GI bill,” he writes. “But the classroom couldn’t contain his ambitions, his restlessness, and so the family moved again.”
Obama’s 2002 claim his grandfather enlisted in the Army the day after the bombing of Pearl Harbor is contradicted by Army records showing Dunham signed up June 18, 1942 – six months after Pearl Harbor.
Obama’s campaign did not immediately return a WND request for clarification.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.php#4055
Interesting about the Grandfather story changing.
But of course it will only garner, “Yeah but Hillary and the sniper fire…”
ZZZZZZZZz
Barack Obama is against giving African American reparations for slavery and instead said we should focus on giving everyone a great education.
Yeah…sounds scary huh!
I stop there. He routinely says one thing for one audience and changes it for the next. I don’t trust him at all.
Obama “says” he’s for or against a lot of things.
But then his spokespeople give insiders assurances he doesn’t really mean what he says (i.e. Nafta, Itaq troop withdrawal, meeting with Hamas).
At this point I don’t beleive a thing he says.
Obama is a con job. You go ahead and be conned. The rest of us will have none of it.
The guy can’t even pay attention to his own state. Kids there need police escort to go to school. As for the poor, he helped rezko get a hundred million to serve up rat infested apartments with no heat in winter right in Obama’s own district. So much for caring for the poor.
Please read his education plan very carefully.
Colin-
WTF! Did you just type that without watching the videos? I apologize if you’re deaf, but don’t blog such stupid shit in any event!
I saw the videos you jackass! He wants to get rid of white people!!
HARP–
There’s no contradiction there…simply the parsing of his words to a sky high degree.
I haven’t been to B O’s site in a LOONG time, and happened upon it to see if he’s decided to grace any of the upcoming primaries with a visit. Learning he has scheduled one of those photo op Rallies in Montana tomorrow.
But, gag me, did anyone notice and how long has he been pushing this, new ethereal imagry on his website? Everything with white, mystic, heaven’s glowing all over the place. OMG …and, the new front picture looks as though they doctored the hair to make it look gray….illusion of “visual” maturity?
This is just so gross and pathetic. I really do feel like we are living through his own made up novel ready for release next year. Nothing is real and is beginning to make Bush’s Fantasy world look not as outrageous.
did you see this on CNN.com? so NOW they start digging up Obama’s sneaky political past? NOW when it could be too late to oust him without people crying and screaming??
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html
Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign
Story Highlights
Sen. Barack Obama used the rule book to win first race for Illinois state Senate
Democrat challenged opponents’ petitions and forced them off the ballot
Opponent says Obama’s move “wasn’t honorable”
By Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN’s AC 360°
(CNN) — When the Democratic National Committee meets Saturday on the thorny issue of seating the Florida and Michigan delegations at its August convention, party officials will have to fashion a solution that satisfies supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton and presidential nominee front-runner Sen. Barack Obama.
It may take a Solomon-like decision to appease both candidates.
Clinton has argued the primary results of two of the nation’s largest states should count because otherwise millions of voters are being disenfranchised. Obama has said he is willing to work out some compromise.
But he is insistent the primary results are invalid since the two states failed to follow party rules and the rules are the rules.
The DNC has not seated the Florida and Michigan delegates because the two states violated party edicts in holding their primaries early.
Although neither candidate campaigned in the two states, Clinton won about 50 percent of the Florida vote, compared to 33 percent for Obama. She won 55 percent of the vote in Michigan, where Obama’s name was not on the ballot.
In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago’s gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.
As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of new voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.
The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.
“That was Chicago politics,” said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. “Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right?” Kass said. “It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race he made sure voters had just one choice.”
Obama’s challenge was perfectly legal, said Jay Stewart, with the Chicago’s Better Government Association. While records of the challenges are no longer on file for review with the election board, Stewart said Obama is not the only politician to resort to petition challenges to eliminate the competition.
“He came from Chicago politics,” Stewart said. “Politics ain’t beanbag as they say in Chicago. You play with your elbows up and you’re pretty tough and ruthless when you have to be. Sen. Obama felt that’s what was necessary at the time, that’s what he did. Does it fit in with the rhetoric now? Perhaps not.”
The Obama campaign called this report “a hit job.” They insisted CNN talk to a state representative who supports Obama, because, according to an Obama spokesman, she would be objective. But when we called her she said she can’t recall details of petition challenges, who engineered them for the Obama campaign or why all the candidates were challenged.
But Will Burns does. Now running himself for a seat in the Illinois legislature, Burns was a young Obama volunteer during the presidential candidate’s first race.
Burns was one of the contingents of volunteers and lawyers who had the tedious task of going over each and every petition submitted by the other candidates, including those of Alice Palmer.
“The rules are there for a reason,” Burns told CNN.
He said challenging petitions is a smart way to avoid having to run a full-blown expensive race.
“One of the first things you do whenever you’re in the middle of a primary race, especially in primaries in Chicago, because if you don’t have signatures to get on the ballot, you save yourself a lot of time and effort from having to raise money and have a full blown campaign effort against an incumbent,” Burns said.
Burns said he believed Obama did not enjoy using the tactic to knock off Palmer.
“It was not something he particularly relished,” Burns said. “It was not something that I thought he was happy about doing.”
But Obama did it anyway, clearing the field of any real competition.
Obama’s staff would not comment on what the senator thinks about that petition challenge now. Instead, it referred CNN to this 2007 comment made by Obama to the Chicago Tribune.
“To my mind we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up,” the senator is quoted in the Tribune. “My conclusion was that if you couldn’t run a successful petition drive, then that raised questions in terms of how effective a representative you were going to be.”
But in that same newspaper story Obama praised Palmer.
“I thought she was a good public servant,” he said.
Palmer, who has campaigned for Clinton, told CNN, she did not want to be part of this story. Obama supporters claim Palmer has only herself to blame since she indicated she would not run for the 1996 state Senate and instead aimed for Congress. After losing in that bid she returned to running for the state Senate seat — a move Obama supporters claim amounted to reneging on a promise not to run.
But Palmer supporters, who did not want to be identified, said she never anointed Obama as her successor and the retelling of the story by Obama supporters is designed to distract from the fact he muscled his way into office.
One other opponent who Obama eliminated by challenging his petitions, Gha-is Askia, said he has no hard feelings today about the challenge and supports Obama’s presidential aspirations.
But back at the time he was running for state Senate, Askia said he was dismayed Obama would use such tactics.
“It wasn’t honorable,” he said. “I wouldn’t have done it. That’s what I am saying.”
He said the Obama team challenged every single one of his petitions on what Askia called “technicalities.”
If names were printed instead of signed in cursive writing, they were declared invalid. If signatures were good but the person gathering the signatures wasn’t properly registered, then those petitions also were thrown out.
Askia came up 69 signatures short of the required needed to be on the ballot.
Kass, the Chicago Tribune columnist, said the national media is naive when it comes to Chicago politics, which is a serious business.
He said they have bought into a narrative that Obama is strictly a reformer. When the truth, Kass says, is he is a bare-knuckled politician. And using the rules to win his first office is part of who Obama is.
“It’s not the tactics of ‘let’s all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,’ ” Kass said. “That’s the spin, that’s in the Kool-Aid. You can have some. Any flavor. But the real deal was get rid of Alice Palmer.
“There are those who think that registering people to vote and getting them involved in politics and then using this tactic in terms of denying Alice Palmer the right to compete, that these things are inconsistent. And guess what? They are. They are inconsistent. But that’s the politics he plays.”
And this weekend DNC delegates will have to decide what kind of rules it will invoke in helping choose its next candidate.
The woods are full of trolls today.
Larry, thanks for having the fortitude (as always)
to turn on a light in the midst of the dialogue-of- the-dense we are subjected to as long as Obama is in the running. (me, looking at watch…)
a rose is a rose is a rose
likewise a racist, is a racist, is a racist.
I’ll bet you could take anyone of a dozen creepy white power manifestos, change the word white to black, and pretty much have the same product.
Nasty stuff.
>>> I’ll bet you could take anyone of a dozen creepy white power manifestos, change the word white to black, and pretty much have the same product. Nasty stuff.
BINGO!
Change a few words here and there in the Obama Manifesto (or whatever) and you have a political framework GUARANTEED to get you elected to ANY office in Idaho, and most in rural parts of Arizona, Utah and Wyoming as well.
I honestly hope Hillary runs Independent just so we can be sure to kick this bastard’s ass all the way to Pakistan.
Or Palestine.
Obama, that sob, did he really dare say “money gets appropriated but never seems to make it to where it is intended, somehow gets lost along the way”?
That sob, he knows all about that, he and Rezko. But he tells those poor black people whitie did it, that sob. Black people froze in the winter, died of heat in the summer, lived with rats and cockroaches, no garbage pick up, so Resko could stuff appropraiated money in his pocket and be a big player, while Obama just stood with his arm tight to his side and his hand sticking out behind him. That sob.
Hey, Honkie! You cain’t be blamin’ O-BAMA for the Hawk! The HAWK takes all that money! Buys hisself summer houses at Lake Geneva!
He should know all about that. He helped his I don’t know him/best pal rezko get the permits needed to build a senior housing project on toxic waste site.
Bunch of very sick stuff. Unfortunately so many on the far left agree with these hateful pastors and think we should hand Obama the WH because he is black. I’ve said all along, these people do not want equality any more than the evangelical christians. They want DOMINANCE. They do not want a democracy–they want a black Tyranny.
It does explicate the destructive parts of his campaign.
Tear up the white girl.
OK this is making more and more sense… if you’ve not seen the background graphic at BO’s website, GO LOOK AT IT NOW! Usually it only flashes subliminally behind the top layers of content, but you can see it directly here:
http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg
My guess is it’s the BO take on the Great Seal of the U.S.
(see that graphic here: http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/index.html)
It is effectively a DISMANTLING of the Great Seal. The more I read and see, especially these videos, it becomes clearer that BO has some vision of dismantling the America that is and creating the America that fits in with his ideologies (whatever that ideology is, b/c I think it’s clear that it’s not what he says it is, but it’s something more in keeping with these videos)
Look at the BO graphic, really study it. If it seems innocuous at first, really look at it again, look at the details. It’s eerie, creepy, and perverse. It is the Great Seal, basically, dismantled.
It has all the elements but it has been deconstructed, and is slapped over with a BO logo. Notice the olive branches (sign of peace) and arrows (sign of war kept in check) have been dropped and are strewn about. And that the flag/armor is pierced with one of the arrows. There is a cloud of smoke surrounding the elements. And it’s almost as if the eagle looks like a vulture. The eagle is usually supposed to be facing forward, and looking in the direction of the olive branch, but it’s turned it’s back, and is looking over its shoulder — it looks like the eagle/vulture is about to fly off, leaving destruction in its wake.
To me the more I look at it, the more disturbing it seems.
It just doesn’t seem like the graphic is an accident, but rather, it’s meant to communicate something very specific. I think Mr. BO has something very specific in mind if he should step into the White House.
This is great…you are spot on…FASCISM DEPENDS ON REINTERPRETING BOTH MYTH AND SYMBOLS….No shit !
Right? I first noticed this graphic months ago, and it seemed far fetched back then. But as time goes on it just makes more and more sense. Bad feeling in my gut about what’s going on…
Your post (2008-05-29 13:16:25) laid it out exactly.
The BO image seems more like chaos — as if the image has been disassembled and disarmed.
The whole BO/Axlerod gang has been using every sort of psychological warfare on the American voter.
graphics and website design is not by accident.
i find this image very creepy, his little logo covering it like he is going to be the leader of some great and all powerful movement.
its very creepy.
I’ve been noticing some nasty symbolism for months now. It really is creepy. Those six foot posters of Obama in bus stops remind me of martyrs and dictators.
oh yeah, its this whole hipster generation who idolizes these so called revolutionary leaders, wear che guavera shirts without even knowing ANYTHING about the history. its fashion to them. so they make a fun poster about it in the same style. its really ridiculous.
the way they place him on this ridiculous platform. . . so disgusting. i mean, they are so blind to the fact that he’s a sleezeball chicago politician.
sad.
Who cares about this. I want to see the whitey video.
Larry - where is it? It’s been almost two weeks since you shocked the blogosphere with such an outstanding revelation about the existence of said tape and still we wait.
WHERE IS THE VIDEO, LARRY?
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RESPONSE FROM LARRY JOHNSON–YOU, MY FRIEND, ARE AN IMBECILE. GO BACK AND READ THE PIECE. I WAS TOLD BY FOUR SOURCES THAT FOLKS SURROUNDING ROVE HAVE THE VIDEOTAPE AND ARE HANGING ON TO IT UNTIL OCTOBER. WHAT IS IT ABOUT OCTOBER YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND. JESUS SAVE US FROM MORONS LIKE YOU.
I somehow get the feeling that you are not important enough to preview that video.
It is possible to deplore the apartheid policies of the state of Israel, and that state’s inordinate influence on the foreign policy of the USA, without descending into anti-Semitic claptrap.
Maybe Ren will learn that someday.
What’s wrong with the first part of the Pfleger video? If you don’t feel any guilt over America’s history of racism against blacks, you either don’t think of yourself as an American, are historically illiterate, or think that there was nothing wrong with slavery and Jim Crow - i.e. are a racist yourself. If you identify as an American, you don’t get to take pride in the good without feeling guilt over the bad. At least that’s this American child of immigrant’s feeling. And the same goes for me with my Polish identity. Furthermore, it’s pretty obvious that the legacy of institutionalized racism has a lot to do with the huge disparity in average wealth between blacks and whites.
The second part is pretty obnoxious and unfair to Hillary - she’s pissed off in the same way that any politician with seniority and greater experience would be, nothing to do with racism.
I object to the second portion of the video. How does a Catholic priest feel justified imputing motives to someone at the pulpit? He should apologize to Hillary, for Hillary does not have a sense of entitlement.
But I guess Pfleger needed to work for some of that Chicago machine cash.
Utter nonsense marek. While slavery was a horrible injustices, no one should feel guilty for sins that they haven’t committed. To imply that all Whites are guilty of these sins is insanity. Only the most “historically illiterate” would forget that only a tiny percentage of Americans ever held slaves, that there were more abolitionists than slave holders.
“Furthermore, it’s pretty obvious that the legacy of institutionalized racism has a lot to do with the huge disparity in average wealth between blacks and whites.” “Legacy” is a very wide sweeping word. Do you mean that the belief among too many inner-city African Americans that succeeding means not being Black? If so than yes, which is a reason to oppose those who further victimize Blacks by encouraging race hatred. Pfleger, Wright, and others have long encouraged this self-destructive belief.
So it’s wrong to take pride in the history of American democracy, the Constitution, or America’s efforts in WWII? Memorial Day was just a few days ago, and Americans expressed pride and appreciation for the sacrifices other Americans made. Do you think that it’s wrong for Germans born after WWII to feel guilt over their history - as most do IME.
Your first question is a good one. I think it is right to take some small pride in the fact the ideas of democracy, the Constitution, etc. are still around. However, pride implies a personal responsibility. We are not responsible for anything, good or bad, that happened before our births.
It would be rather silly to take a personal pride in historic events, as if you had anything to do with them. You might feel a pride in a close relative who fought in WWII but gratitude is a far more appropriate emotion for Memorial day.
As for the Germans - absolutely not. It was not the fault of anyone born after WWII. I really doubt that most young Germans feel guilty about WWII. They didn’t when I was there in the 80s, though it was PC among the rather small Green Party to assert such guilt.
Expressions of guilt are pretty much required of any politician in Germany right left or in between. As for run of the mill Germans, my experience was rather different and more recent. Might have something to do with my ethnicity and field which makes such conversations more likely. On the first question, a reasonable position, but most Americans seem to take pride in the historical accomplishments of their nation and politicians express that pride very frequently.
Having lived in Berlin for 13 years (studied there)and traveled through most of Germany I found that most young Germans did not feel guilt. Those were not choices they made, and not choices they could understand. After the wall came down the neo-nazi movement became more visible, and was/is prevalent in what was east germany. I found it interesting that a marxist society would give birth to neo-nazis. It is an expression of the frustration that east Germans continue to feel regarding the disparity between their standard of living and west germany’s. As for guilt - I too am the child of immigrant parents who escaped the third occupation of their country, “sealed” by the Yalta agreements with the elp of the Western Powers. They lost everything and lived in DP camps where the food, their food was sold on the black market by Allied soldiers. Once they arrived they were discriminated against and mistreated. They had not wanted to leave their homeland, they had never had anything to do with sleavery there or here, and did not feel that they should feel guilty.
They did not enjoy the fruits of anyone’s labor but instead worked very hard in factories etc. and did not die with any wealth.
Marek, you’re wrong. We can feel badly about what happened and sympathize with the black race without taking guilt upon ourselves. As I said in an earlier comment, it’s like asking someone to feel guilty because their ancestor committed a crime. I don’t believe in that sort of thing.
Once upon a time there was a little boy who decided he wanted to be important when he grew up…He wanted to make a difference.
He lived in a democratic republic and was gifted with rhetoric and charm.
He met others who wanted to change things too and offer hope to his dispirited countrymen. He campaigned and was elected into office on his promises to Restore Hope and Respect for his country. He offered Economic prosperity and for his country to regain it’s former prominence. He offered to restore the ancient Ideals of his countrymen. Once in office he changed the political platform of his party. He engaged the Youth in patriotic corps of his New Party and with the musclemen of his backers began to enforce the New Party vision for his ideal of the restoration of the Country. Soon it became a matter of fact that in order to live within the New Country you had to be a part of it….You were either for the New Ideal or you were against the New Ideal.
Critics were silenced…Opposing Factions were eliminated…Property was seized and whole populations were relocated and isolated. Churches were silenced through threats of intimidation…The Democratic Republic ceased to exist…This happened in Berlin 1933 where the Birth of FASCISM occurred in Germany which until then was a Democratic Republic under extreme economic distress…FASCISM SWEPT THE GLOBE…IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN….
“He campaigned and was elected into office on his promises to Restore Hope and Respect for his country”
Hitler was elected on the promise of ending democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship, putting socialists and communists in jail, and instituting a Jim Crow regime for Jews. Listen to his campaign speeches, read a few issues of the Volkische Beobachter, page through Mein Kampf.
Hmmmm….and using these he promised to restore the hope and former glory of Germany Marek the Putz !….If Obama could get away with more obvious FASCIST rhetoric HE WOULD….as it is we have those that support him to do it….SAME RESULT….
Hmmm. When Hitler occupied the Baltic states he promised “freedom” from the Soviets. He promised to return them to a free government and give them sovereignty. I have the books with photos of the posters documents and letters. Of course he did not keep his promises and instead subjugated the peole under a horrible occupation/dictatorship.
And I have read mein Kampf and listened to the speeches and watched so many historical documentaries in Germany. My take is a bit different than yours, dass ich nicht lache!
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Boy he gave Oprah a big slap in the face, wonder how she feels about her “one” now. “Getme some of that Oprah money” he says. in that third clip.
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*sigh* It will never end. The hatred. My eyes have been opened WIDE. I now know where I stand with certain members of our country.
I know this was way up the thread but…..
Tootsky you really need professional help! Your threats of ACLU and such don’t scare us! Your like a child that does not get what she wants….Give it to me or I will tell Daddy! Go run to your daddy, my daddy will beat yours..
I am so sad for you Tootsky. you have truly been Possessed by demons!
maybe the great Rev. Wright or his tools, young Otis or Pfleger can exorcise those voices you are hearing. If not I would suggest a DeProgrammer. Maybe Larry can suggest a good one for you.. sorry Larry, I just thought you’d be able to help this poor soul..LOL
As a white child of the middle class suburbs of the 1960’s in midwestern America (oh I was a good girl, too -girl scouts, church mouse, etc) — I was deeply disturbed when I first read “The Autobiography of Malcolm X” in the fall of 1970. How could anyone be so hateful and speak so starkly of the black experience? This isn’t anything like what Martin Luther King preached or Peter, Paul and Mary sang about. Whew!!
In the mid-1970’s I spent three years in West Africa, in fact in the very land where Alex Haley’s composite Kunta Kinte was raised and from which he was taken. I went to Goree Island BEFORE they put up all the signs to tell all the American tourists how ashamed they should be for putting human beings in shackles like that. I didn’t need any signs to know it was a holy place.
Thanks to journalists like Juan Williams and Bill Moyers and Alex Haley I have had the opportunity to hear Malcolm X, Louis Farakkhan, Jeremiah Wright in their own words and to be able to put many of these ideas in greater context.
I don’t find the above videos all that troubling because I know they paint a pretty good picture of “what is”. I mostly fear that many white people seeing the videos will act out of fear and (as we’ve seen above) that many black people will get mad at whites for getting mad at them. The result is that we will lose the opportunity for the conversation on race that Barack Obama invited us in on in March.
As much as I respect and honor the contribution that Black Theology and the work of men like Jeremiah Wright have done to bring dignity and self-worth to the “black” people of this country, I do not think that we are yet ready to have Barack, who is so deeply immersed in that community and so capable of evoking such powerful feelings through “words” such as what we saw in these films as Commander in Chief and Supreme Leader and Leader of a Government. I am with Larry on this one.
My 21 year old daughters best friend is an AA. A very sweet and smart educated young lady. My daughter and Sophie were talking about the Bible one day. She told my daughter a story about a guy she used to date. Sophie, was dating this AA guy and she invited him over to house. He went into her bedroom and saw she had a picture of Jesus hanging on the wall over her bed. He gave her a disgusted look and said, “Why the hell do you have a picture of a White Jesus on your wall?”
She told him because she is a Christian and she liked the picture. He told her to take it down because Jesus wasn’t white, he was black.
Sophie told him to get out of her house and never come back. My daughter said Sophie hasn’t spoken to him since.
This is a bitOff topic but I thought it was worthy of sharing.
I found this over at “Big Pink” or otherwise known as, Hillary is 44.
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The now invisible on Big Media broadcasts, Craig Crawford calls out Obama on his hypocrisy and lies too.
Among the myths surrounding the Democratic fight over seating delegates from Florida and Michigan, one that stands out is a persistent inference that Barack Obama was somehow involuntarily kept off the Michigan primary ballot.
Obama chose to have his name erased from the Michigan ballot – a decision that now presents one of the thorniest issues for the Democratic National Committee’s rules panel meeting on Saturday to hear arguments in this dispute.
How can delegates be awarded to someone who was not even on the ballot? In sports, that would be like giving points to a team that forfeits the game.
The Obama camp signaled on Wednesday that the Democratic frontrunner is willing to concede some Florida and Michigan delegates to Hillary Rodham Clinton, but questions such as what to do about Obama’s Michigan forfeit still hang.
It was the Illinois senator’s written and personally signed request to the Michigan Secretary of State’s office on Oct. 8, 2007, that prompted his exclusion. Obama’s choice to stay off the ballot was a conscious political maneuver designed to please Iowa Democrats angered by Michigan’s early primary date.
Clinton, to her detriment in Iowa, chose to stay on Michigan’s ballot. As strange as some of Clinton’s demands might seem to be in this matter, it would be truly bizarre to give any Michigan delegates to a candidate who voluntarily took his name off the ballot.
More invisible man Crawford:
Myths abound in the latest Florida vote-count fight. For starters, this is not the fault of state Democratic leaders. The Republican-controlled state legislature, directed by its GOP governor Charlie Crist, created this situation.
Sure, Florida Democrats did not vigorously oppose the Republican plan to move up Florida’s primary on the calendar, defying the rules in both parties. Instead, they negotiated a deal to ensure a paper trail in all future balloting.
And for their efforts in leveraging a position of weakness to gain something helpful for future elections, Florida Democrats get hammered by a Democratic National Committee intent on diminishing the state’s influence in naming a presidential nominee.
Why did national Democrats fear Florida so much? It is, after all, the nation’s largest swing state.
Um, Craig, we all know the answer to your Florida fear question. Obama could not win Florida and Michigan so an excuse was created to disenfranchise their votes. The votes of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina - states which violated the same “rule” as Florida and Michigan - were counted because Obama expected to win there.
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I’d like to see Tootsky and the rest of those Obama Trolls Refute this.
Forget Tootsky: he lacks basic logic skill; he either never went to school or failed Calculus I and Logic 101.
His logic is “claims”:
If A imples B then B implies A
LOL!!! He’s really bad.
Indeed, the Michigan voters did express their choice in their votes. The majority voted for Clinton while most of the rest voted UNCOMMITED. Hillary’s votes should be counted and given to her but obviously the UNCOMMITED will not be counted for anyone, as it should be. That is the will of the voters in Michigan.
I really actually don’t give a shit. I’d like your candidate to get the nomination, it wiil further the contradictions.
1968! UN investigations of US government which uses repressive force on radical protesters. I can hardly wait.
ddd
Black Liberation is an ancient religion. It goes all the way back to ancient Babylon, it is the same “Mystery Religion” spoken of in the book of Revelation as “Mystery Babylon the great, the Mother of Harlots and the abomination of the earth”.
Well Irish Hagee would disagree because it’s the Roman Catholic Church who is the Whore of Babylon Cult described in the Acid trip called Revelations…chuckle…Of course being a member of said whore of Babyln cult I take objection to Hagee….prefering the recent scholarship that points to this being a description of the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem combined with the usual addition of midrash devices.
Black Liberation Theology dates to 1970 when Jmes Cone began to publish.
Liberation Theology dates to 1968 with the papers written by the Latin Bishops on Justice and Power. It is from these papers that Cone lifted the rudiments of his philosophy and saw the same thing the RCC saw an effective and seductive ruse to perptuate Marxism…When Cone defined the class struggle as a racial one he turned Black Liberation Theology into FASCISM…
This is the same kind of historical distortion that gets folks into trouble and by the way…Cleopatra of Marc Antony fame was not african…she was a Ptolemy which were Macedonian Greek with some Egyptian ( she was in good part CRACKER from central Europe ) and was popular because she was the first Queen of the line to actually learn the local language….chuckle…and the Romans were not Italians as the Romans considered the local Italians to be hayseeds and denied them citizenship for hundreds of years….
Honest to God, I think the Republicans could get George W. Bush elected to a third term over this guy.
What the hell are the Democrats thinking???
I’m getting to the point where I want to renew dubyas contract.
Jesus HAROLD Christ!!!!!!!!! I love my people (African-Americans) and I’m going to be honest here, I have admired Farrakhan’s diligence at making sure that things are equal for us, but he is nuts and so are the rest of these nimrods if they now believe that we ARE the Israelites/Jews????????!!!!!! LMFAO Oh my GAWD! They think that Barack OBAMA is the Messiah for real!!!????? Now, I see why so many white folks have been angry with him (Farrakhan), of course besides some of the other truly abrasive/hateful things that he’s said over the years. But, this takes the cake!!! I was just talking to my mother the other night and she was telling me (for the 100th time lol) about the Jews being God’s chosen people and how other groups just need to face the facts and stop trying to lay claim to such, and my mother, who has a very sound biblical knowledge, was schooling me about it all (again, for the 100th time).
African-Americans have had their share of struggles in this country, and there is still work to be done, but every one of those slick willies in that video are living in decked out mansions, driving (or being driven around in) top of the line Mercedes, Rolls Royces, etc. and have nary a care in the world where finances are concerned. They are preying off of their congregations (collection plates to think about you know…) by keeping them fired up about “whitey” and it’s wrong. I’ve always attended predominately AA churches but I stear clear of churches like Trinity because they are not teaching Christ’s teachings. This is so sad. The thing is, my mother is an Obama supporter and if I told her these things that I’ve seen in this video, she wouldn’t want to believe it. I’m hoping that her own fever will break soon enough.
I haven’t even watched the second and third videos yet, I have so much on my mind about the FIRST ONE!!!!
Excellent work Larry! I’m a proud African-American, but I want things to be equal and fair in this country, not for one group to have “dominion” over the other groups. This is very sad. So very sad.
Most Black people say their ancestors came out of Egypt. That is to say, they are of Egyptian descent. So did the Children of Israel come out of Egypt —After being oppressed (slaves)for 2-3 hundred years. I don’t think the Israelites were black, but maybe a few. But the Egyptians were [black]. Nevertheless whether anyone thinks the Israelites were black or not, they were slaves to the Egyptians. Meaning if the Israel were black then , black people were enslaving other black people. If the Israelites were caucasion then the black people were enslaving white people. Are the Jewish people white? Biblically speaking the Jews were of the lineage of Shem and the Egyptians were of the lineage of Ham– Shem was the progenitor of the white race and Ham was the progenitor of the Black race. Japheth was the progenitor of the Asiatic race.
Typical Irishman, I don’t know where you got the information that “most black people say their ancestors came out of Egpyt” from, but that’s false. If you’ve met some black people who say that, then fine, but that’s not a “most black people” thing.
Sugar it is common to hijack the traditions of older cultures and your mother is correct. The early Christians hijacked much form the Jews as this is a common way to exert both unity and legitimacy…Jews and their culture have been hijacked repeatedly…The Romans were excellent at this practice and elevated it almost to a high art…chuckle…
Step 1. Conquer the Land and kill resisters.
Step 2. Incorporate Culture and Religion to gain legitimacy and ease transition….This was how the Romans adopted Greek Traditions…
*** The only people the Romans could not incorporate was those Pesky Jews and their monotheistic illogical religion…***
Of Course the Church of Rome continued the Formula ( why we have so many saints recently purged as 1/2 of them turned out to be pagan dieties conviently renamed and absorbed in the ancient Roman Formula…chuckle…Tis the way of Empires…Tis the way of Human Nature….Funny….( sigh ) Occasionally this has devastating consequences in the modern world….Hitler did it….Common Tool for Fascists….Distorting History….
There is some funny irony in what you are saying. It is true, however, that in some twisted academic circles this line of thinking is propagated. It is kind of like all those 14th century portrayals of Christ as a white man LOL. Egyptians were ethnically and racially different than West Africans. Ask any responsible Egyptologist or Ancient Near East scholar.
Your story made it onto Tapper website. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
PLEASE WRITE THE POPE AND TELL HIM EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK OF FATHER PFLEGER. THANK YOU.
benedictxvi@vatican.va.
I agree with you LJ - Black Theology Has No Place In the Oval Office.
Dear GAWD! I just watched the second video and here is my first and foremost thought. James Cone is a damn fool! He even sounds like a lunatic! LMAO Oh my God! Obama is a shipwreck waiting to happen. Well, one thing we all know is, just by seeing these and previous videos is this, there isn’t a chance in hell Obama will be elected. It’s just so absolutely sad that Hillary is being tossed aside when she is one of the best candidates the Democratic Party has ever seen!!!!!!!!!
I think I’m going to be sick to my stomach. First of all, let me explain the obvious here and why I KNOW that these guys are just pimping the pews for cash. Farrakhan just blasted away about how if all black people aren’t successful or whatever words he used, then we are still not prospering, but damn, there are poor ass white folks! Should white people feel oppressed and downtrodden as an entire race????????? They are teaching such absolute ignorance and that graphic from Glen Beck I’m guessing that was, about Cone’s ideas on “liberation theology” is blood curdling. I’ve heard his name repeatedly in the past several weeks surrounding the Jeremiah Wright debaucle, but I had never heard of him before. Now I know why. I don’t attend crazy churches and shit like that.
Hmmm…Sugar I am a Po’ Cracker and I don’t see how Successful Crackers are going to slow down for me….You have drawn attention to the Marxist component of social justice combined with Cone’s fascist twist…Well Done
Dear Pope,
I think Father Pfleger is a big fat pig.
Love,
Raymo
P.S. Obama Sucks.
Larry: Did you know that Southern Baptists won’t ordain women because they believe in a literal Eve who is responsible for the fall of man? Wonder when the Southern Baptists will renounce that theology just like the Mormons renounced the notion that black men can never be priests because of the color of their skin?
That is FAR from the reason why women are not ordained in the SBC. If someone told you that they are full of it!
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Larry: Did you know that Southern Baptists won’t ordain women because they believe in a literal Eve who is responsible for the fall of man? Wonder when the Southern Baptists will renounce that theology just like the Mormons renounced the notion that black men can never be priests because of the color of their skin?
Have they recently said “women feel entitled”? Or maybe “women are responsible for Mankind’s biggest screwups?”
No?
Well, what’s your point?
All Religions have biases…All of them….it is the nature of the beast….
To Larry and Other Hard Core Investigaive Bloggers,
I am interested in more information on why Howard Dean is so vested in Obama. He is willing to shove aside democracy and disenfranchise voters, game the primary process, and alienate Hillary’s constituency. And all of this for a candidate who has serious, almost insurmountable problems, with the primary voters and the polls. His push for this is starting to be illogical. The risks Dean is taking seem to go beyond some altruistic notion of the ‘first black candidate’. How is Howard benefiting Howard with all of this?
Thanks in advance.
Eyes Open:
Howard Dean wants to grab power from the centrist Clintons in the DNC and shift the power to the left wing of the DNC.
The only way to do that is to mobilize a huge voting block. What is the largest voting block in the DNC: African Americans.
Simple plan — getthe Afircan Americans DEMS to turn on the Clintons by running the first AA candidate.
Google: “Dean’s Dozen.” These are candidates handpicked by Howard Dean. Immeditely after Dean lost the primary he send his round troops ti Illinois to help Obama win the IL State Senator seat.
I cannot believe Obama is a potential American president. This is tragic.
These videos are terrifying.
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Here’s the irony — I don’t think Obama believes in any theology.
He’s a true-blue opportunist.
He joined Trinity to hook in with the AA voting block he needed to win office and start pocketing all that shady Rezko cash. Geeze — Obama is in office 5 minutes and he manages to hook up with the most corrupt of the corrupt.
He was a carpetbagger. Not a real South Side Chicagoan.
He has no direct experience with the urban AA experience. His Mom didn’t raise him (on foodstamps? Hawaiian residents didn’t qualify for foodstamps back then - look it up).
Obama’s mom passed him off to her parents to raise. Andthere’s a questiona s to whether she ever legally married Obama senior.
His grandparents were classic middle America white people with regular jobs.
This is a joke. His “story” is a self created myth that he changes at the drop of a hat to suit whatever audience he’s pandering to at the moment.
His “days as an organizer?” In his books he changes the names of all the folks he worked with as an organizer. People who try to vett him now come up blank.
Why change the names of the very people who can come out and tell the world what a great social conscience you have, what great work you’ve done for poor folks?
I know why — because if we can interview those organizers they would tell you he rode their coat-tails.
Trace Obama’s career and you’ll see it was one long, coattail-riding trip.
No wonder he said in February campaigning felt like the Baatan Death March. Obama’s never worked this hard for anything in his life.
He wanted it handed to him.
Just like he was handed credit for all the bills in IL senate that other politians — Black men — worked on for years. Only to see Jones (Obana’s IL senate godfather) yank thebills they wrote away from them and hand them to Obama (nice multi-racial Obama) to pad Obama’s resume for a US Senate run.
It’s everywhere on the net. All solid researched articles. Anyone who did due dilligence on this guy can see he is a true opportunist who wil