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]]> By: Smilin' Jim http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294318 Smilin' Jim Fri, 30 May 2008 17:29:12 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294318 Erasmus, a chara, Thank you for contributing. We all pray for Obama's GUBU moment before Denver. What is you opinion of your current preferential voting system? Erasmus, a chara,

Thank you for contributing.

We all pray for Obama’s GUBU moment before Denver.

What is you opinion of your current preferential voting system?

]]> By: Smilin' Jim http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294280 Smilin' Jim Fri, 30 May 2008 17:17:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294280 Screw the nuclear option at the convention. That is the <strong>Thermonuclear option</strong>. Do you really want to live in times that interesting? Screw the nuclear option at the convention.

That is the Thermonuclear option.

Do you really want to live in times that interesting?

]]> By: Smilin' Jim http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294256 Smilin' Jim Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294256 "How to you propose to deal with it?" Nader, though unelectable, is right. It is impossible without breaking up Time-Warner, Disney, Viacom and News Corporation. I do not see a legion of latter-day <em>sans-culottes</em> ever doing this. We are screwed. “How to you propose to deal with it?”

Nader, though unelectable, is right.

It is impossible without breaking up Time-Warner, Disney, Viacom and News Corporation.

I do not see a legion of latter-day sans-culottes ever doing this.

We are screwed.

]]> By: Smilin' Jim http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294232 Smilin' Jim Fri, 30 May 2008 17:04:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294232 <em>"How old is Hillary? Is it realistic to wait until 2012?"</em> She is 60 and will be 61 this October. The protracted campaign, especially her Terminator-like tenacity, sets her up as a strong contender in 2012. Four things must happen, though: <blockquote>She must lose the nomination, smile bravely and campaign for Obama. Obama must crash and burn in the general election. McCain must crash and burn or die as a President. McCain's running mate must be a dweebe.</blockquote> The odds for all four to happen are long. I'd put her odds in getting the Presidency are better by suspending the campaign after South Dakota and taking it to the convention. There are two scenarios in which she could take the Presidency. <blockquote>(A) Obama could seriously stumble before Denver and make it so obvious that he is an unsuitable candidate that the Democrats do not lose the African-American vote by choosing Clinton. (B) She could choose the nuclear option at the convention and do to Obama what his mentor, Teddy Kennedy, did to Carter in 1980. She will be vilified for a while but consider that Teddy Kennedy is now the party's darling and will likely get a sendoff to rival a Mafia Don. If successful, it is likely that she will lose a significant bloc of the African-American vote and Ikkes must calculate if this is worth it.</blockquote> The odds on these two options are even. “How old is Hillary? Is it realistic to wait until 2012?”

She is 60 and will be 61 this October.

The protracted campaign, especially her Terminator-like tenacity, sets her up as a strong contender in 2012.

Four things must happen, though:

She must lose the nomination, smile bravely and campaign for Obama.
Obama must crash and burn in the general election.
McCain must crash and burn or die as a President.
McCain’s running mate must be a dweebe.

The odds for all four to happen are long.

I’d put her odds in getting the Presidency are better by suspending the campaign after South Dakota and taking it to the convention. There are two scenarios in which she could take the Presidency.

(A) Obama could seriously stumble before Denver and make it so obvious that he is an unsuitable candidate that the Democrats do not lose the African-American vote by choosing Clinton.
(B) She could choose the nuclear option at the convention and do to Obama what his mentor, Teddy Kennedy, did to Carter in 1980. She will be vilified for a while but consider that Teddy Kennedy is now the party’s darling and will likely get a sendoff to rival a Mafia Don. If successful, it is likely that she will lose a significant bloc of the African-American vote and Ikkes must calculate if this is worth it.

The odds on these two options are even.

]]> By: Smilin' Jim http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294157 Smilin' Jim Fri, 30 May 2008 16:37:27 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-294157 <em>"while he lost to Wilson (and the Democrats) - he BEAT Taft."</em> Point taken, I see he even got 6 electoral votes. Winning the majority of the primaries is overstating the case somewhat. Only fourteen states participated and Roosevelt won ten of them. It also shows that we have been aware of our problems in selecting a candidate that is a bozo for a long, long time. This is a Constitutional problem at it's root. The writers did not anticipate parties. The one-man-one-vote primaries are incompatible with the Electoral College, especially with the proportional representation rules in effect with the primaries. Add to this open primaries and that naive attempt at grass-roots participation which the caucus system attempts and it results in a FUBAR system. If you think this has been a wild ride, contemplate a new Constitutional Convention. That would be bone-breakin' Rodeo. “while he lost to Wilson (and the Democrats) - he BEAT Taft.”

Point taken, I see he even got 6 electoral votes.

Winning the majority of the primaries is overstating the case somewhat. Only fourteen states participated and Roosevelt won ten of them. It also shows that we have been aware of our problems in selecting a candidate that is a bozo for a long, long time.

This is a Constitutional problem at it’s root. The writers did not anticipate parties.

The one-man-one-vote primaries are incompatible with the Electoral College, especially with the proportional representation rules in effect with the primaries. Add to this open primaries and that naive attempt at grass-roots participation which the caucus system attempts and it results in a FUBAR system.

If you think this has been a wild ride, contemplate a new Constitutional Convention. That would be bone-breakin’ Rodeo.

]]> By: Carolina North http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293758 Carolina North Fri, 30 May 2008 14:04:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293758 I agree with this article 100%. I wish they would do it. I agree with this article 100%. I wish they would do it.

]]> By: Mawm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293452 Mawm Fri, 30 May 2008 12:04:24 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293452 The Republicans replaced the Whigs almost over night. The Republicans replaced the Whigs almost over night.

]]> By: Mawm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293448 Mawm Fri, 30 May 2008 12:02:55 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293448 YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

]]> By: bob h http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293431 bob h Fri, 30 May 2008 11:48:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293431 In 1948, the Democrats had already split off a Progressive Party. Then the Dixiecrats spun off, too. Why are we so shy about discussing a new party; it has been done before? In 1948, the Democrats had already split off a Progressive Party. Then the Dixiecrats spun off, too. Why are we so shy about discussing a new party; it has been done before?

]]> By: Kefa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293400 Kefa Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293400 This is our HOPE and CHANGE. We Hope you can Change the Dem Party back to how it was, run Independent. This is our HOPE and CHANGE. We Hope you can Change the Dem Party back to how it was, run Independent.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293346 Anonymous Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:27 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293346 I find the idea of an independent candidate HRC very intriguing. If she would take former NY mayor Bloomberg as VP candidate she would firmly base herself in the middle of the political spectrum and push obama to the left and mccain probably out of the picture (and the money would be there, too). This would show crossover appeal and REAL change. CLINTON/BLOOMBERG 08! I find the idea of an independent candidate HRC very intriguing. If she would take former NY mayor Bloomberg as VP candidate she would firmly base herself in the middle of the political spectrum and push obama to the left and mccain probably out of the picture (and the money would be there, too). This would show crossover appeal and REAL change.

CLINTON/BLOOMBERG 08!

]]> By: Mary B http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293329 Mary B Fri, 30 May 2008 10:26:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293329 I can only hope that Bill and Hillary answer the call to form another party. I can no longer be a member of the Democratic Party. The party, Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy, Dashle, Dodd, Leahy, et al. have shown me their true colors this election season and I will never support any of them again. I re-registered this week as an Independent because, frankly, I don't want my name associated with what this party has come to represent. I can only hope that Bill and Hillary answer the call to form another party. I can no longer be a member of the Democratic Party. The party, Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy, Dashle, Dodd, Leahy, et al. have shown me their true colors this election season and I will never support any of them again. I re-registered this week as an Independent because, frankly, I don’t want my name associated with what this party has come to represent.

]]> By: dpvegas http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293193 dpvegas Fri, 30 May 2008 08:41:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293193 Yes, I've been wanting a list of Obama supporters, so I know who to vote AGAINST. Yes, I’ve been wanting a list of Obama supporters, so I know who to vote AGAINST.

]]> By: Gorgegirl http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293166 Gorgegirl Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:16 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293166 We can't allow Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barak Obama to lead our country into devastation. We can’t allow Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barak Obama to lead our country into devastation.

]]> By: BJinChicago http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293079 BJinChicago Fri, 30 May 2008 07:27:32 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293079 Reconsider your position. I will not vote Democratic in the fall if Hillary is not the POTUS nominee, because doing so would condone the actions of the party. Anyone who did not speak up against this negative primary campaign is not worth my vote. In my state that means Dick Durbin can kiss his senate seat goodbye. Reconsider your position. I will not vote Democratic
in the fall if Hillary is not the POTUS nominee,
because doing so would condone the actions of the
party. Anyone who did not speak up against this negative primary campaign is not worth my vote. In my state that means Dick Durbin can kiss his senate seat goodbye.

]]> By: Zee http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293036 Zee Fri, 30 May 2008 07:11:40 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293036 Moment of TWOOF my foot. TWOOF is the VERY key you're being indoctrinated into a cult. Borrow a clue if you can't afford one on your own. Moment of TWOOF my foot.

TWOOF is the VERY key you’re being indoctrinated into a cult.

Borrow a clue if you can’t afford one on your own.

]]> By: Zee http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293024 Zee Fri, 30 May 2008 07:09:43 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-293024 I read as far as "third party." The thousandth and first "third" party. Yawn. And yet again, yawn. Yes, the tools in the DNC are running a thug in sheep's clothing. The sole purpose of Obama is to divide the two largest constituencies of the dem party...and the tools are too stupid to get it. And the NADERITE third party shit is a perfect example of the same plan to divide up what should be the nation's strongest party. Look what Nader did to the Green Party. Didn't make it stronger, huh? He shat on it. Shat on it and helped shatter it. And now this logorrhea about yet ANOTHER, UMPTEENTH "third" party. Get a damned grip, people. Or don't. "Third" parties are a damned myth like unicorns. The thugs didn't need a "new" party to take over, did they? NOOOO. They did the HARD WORK to take over the existing party. But blather on...it's WAYYYY easier. Blather on and on. I read as far as “third party.” The thousandth and first “third” party. Yawn.

And yet again, yawn.

Yes, the tools in the DNC are running a thug in sheep’s clothing. The sole purpose of Obama is to divide the two largest constituencies of the dem party…and the tools are too stupid to get it.

And the NADERITE third party shit is a perfect example of the same plan to divide up what should be the nation’s strongest party.

Look what Nader did to the Green Party. Didn’t make it stronger, huh? He shat on it. Shat on it and helped shatter it.

And now this logorrhea about yet ANOTHER, UMPTEENTH “third” party. Get a damned grip, people.

Or don’t. “Third” parties are a damned myth like unicorns. The thugs didn’t need a “new” party to take over, did they? NOOOO. They did the HARD WORK to take over the existing party.

But blather on…it’s WAYYYY easier. Blather on and on.

]]> By: Betty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-292957 Betty Fri, 30 May 2008 06:30:13 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-292957 All that is true and more Obama's Combine political machine is gaining and consolidating power by the day. The SD who endorsed Obama are contaminated by it, it is hard to believe they didn't, or don't know by now, about Obama's connections and yet they continue to endorse him. Remember how Steny Hoyer handed out money before the 2008 election in order to buy enough support to be elected 2nd to Pelosi instead of Murpha. Obama and his money machine are buying support at an unbelievable rate right now. Four years form now that machine will be harder to defeat even if Obama doesn't win the presidency. All that is true and more Obama’s Combine political machine is gaining and consolidating power by the day. The SD who endorsed Obama are contaminated by it, it is hard to believe they didn’t, or don’t know by now, about Obama’s connections and yet they continue to endorse him.
Remember how Steny Hoyer handed out money before the 2008 election in order to buy enough support to be elected 2nd to Pelosi instead of Murpha. Obama and his money machine are buying support at an unbelievable rate right now. Four years form now that machine will be harder to defeat even if Obama doesn’t win the presidency.

]]> By: Betty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-292910 Betty Fri, 30 May 2008 05:57:12 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-moment-of-truth/#comment-292910 Thank you for the kind words. I think we are lucky to have Hillary, too. She is head and shoulders above the other nominees and her colleagues in the Congress. You are not from this country and part of me wants to say what you are seeing now is not a true picture of us. But I am not so sure any more. Someone upstream said something about "the little party" inside "the big party" and I wonder how many times "the little party" fooled us into thinking we nominated the candidate. If Hillary had been anything other then the strong determined lady she is we would all be stuck with Obama now. I just wonder how many Unity ponies I have in the back yard. Thank you for the kind words.
I think we are lucky to have Hillary, too. She is head and shoulders above the other nominees and her colleagues in the Congress.
You are not from this country and part of me wants to say what you are seeing now is not a true picture of us. But I am not so sure any more. Someone upstream said something about “the little party” inside “the big party” and I wonder how many times “the little party” fooled us into thinking we nominated the candidate. If Hillary had been anything other then the strong determined lady she is we would all be stuck with Obama now. I just wonder how many Unity ponies I have in the back yard.

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