A Very Clear Message From Clinton Supporters:
By SusanUnPC on May 30, 2008 at 1:22 AM in Current Affairs
[BELOW THE FOLD ARE MORE PRESS RELEASES from similar groups -- including A RALLY featuring WomenCount and Count Every Vote ’08 Rally organizers, whose speakers for DNC RBC rally on May 31st are Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Kim Gandy, and others.]
Today, on Fox News’s Neil Cavuto show, Clinton supporter Christi Adkins spoke for millions of us in wanting all the votes — including those of Florida and Michigan — to be counted, particularly since in caucus states, Clinton supporters were already disadvantaged by being unfairly overwhelmed and bullied aside by young Obama-ites who wrested control of precinct and county caucus gatherings (which many hard-working Clinton supporters couldn’t attend because they had to work, care for small children, or were in a hospital or nursing home).
The numbers coming are huge — I’ve heard that three busloads of women just from one part of North Carolina are enroute.
I looked up Christi’s group: “DNC March May 31…All Voices Heard, All Votes Matter
From her press release:
The marchers believe that anything short of counting the votes and seating the delegates, as voted, is a violation of the fundamental civil rights and civil liberties of MI and FL voters, and an affront to us all.
“We must not allow this injustice to occur. Will the DNC party to do to itself what the Republicans did to the entire nation in 2000?
We must make all voices heard and all vote matter–we do so with this Movement March for Michigan and Florida on MAY 31…we do so as the rules committee begins their meetings at 9am,” states Ricki Lieberman, chairman of the group.
This march is sure to generate buzz as the organizers intend to send Bologna sandwiches to the DNC rules committee to let them know that not seating Michigan and Florida is Bologna. The marchers will also send Lemon-Aid to demonstrate the sour taste left in their mouths because of the injustice in Florida and Michigan. And, their are hints of parading a live donkey as a display of the A__ __ the DNC will be should they not seat those two states.
To Join in this history making event, or to find out more, visit www.floridademandsrepresentation.org/ or blog.enablemyself.com.
Maybe it is a democratic nation after all! I say, let your voice be heard.
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ANOTHER PRESS RELEASE:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WOMENCOUNT PAC responds to Obama campaign’s
accusations of “creating chaos” at Saturday rally
San Francisco, CA May 29, 2008 – WomenCount PAC strongly denounces the Obama campaign’s claim that a planned rally before the DNC Rules Committee on Saturday is intended to “create chaos” and underscores that the event represents voters from more than 30 states gathering to stand up for the future of our country.
“We are coming to fight for a better world for our children and our grandchildren,” said Susie Tompkins Buell, a founding member of WomenCount PAC. “So much is at stake in this election and we will not be accused of creating chaos when we are standing up for the democratic principle that every vote counts.”
WomenCount PAC is a partner in the Count Every Vote ’08 rally planned for Saturday, May 31st at the Marriott Wardman Hotel in Washington, D.C. The goal of the rally is to support the counting of every vote cast in Michigan and Florida.
In issuing this press release, the PAC is reacting to a comment made by Obama campaign manager David Plouffe who told reporters on Wednesday, “We don’t think it’s a helpful dynamic to create chaos” outside of the DNC meeting.
“We invited the Obama supporters to join with us in our efforts. It is Senator Obama who continually speaks for raising our voices together and returning to the core democratic principles that formed this country,” said Karen Feldman, the spokesperson for the Count Every Vote Rally ’08 committee. “Wasn’t it Senator Obama who recently called for a change in Washington DC saying that every voice must count?”
“This is a civil rally aimed at exercising our first amendment right to free speech,” said Rosemary Camposano, communications director for WomenCount PAC. “We believe strongly that the principles of our democracy are being compromised by having lawyers and small groups of people determine the outcome of elections rather than the democratic principal of ‘one person one vote’.”
WomenCount PAC, in addition to supporting other women candidates for Congress in 2008, has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The rally supports the PAC’s message to continue the political process until every vote is cast and counted.
WomenCount PAC was created to ensure that the 51 percent of American citizens who are women have their values and votes counted in the political process.
WomenCount PAC Contacts:
Stacy Mason Rosemary Camposano
Managing Director Communications Director
(650) 793-3556 (650) 740-5544
Stacymason@aol.com rosemary1ac@camposano.com
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RALLY INFORMATION:
WomenCount and Count Every Vote ’08 Rally organizers
announce speakers for DNC RBC rally
May 31st
Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Kim Gandy
and others to speak at rally
San Francisco, CA May 29, 2008 ~ The initial list of speakers for the rally in support of Count Every Vote ’08 in Washington DC is being released. Another 5 to10 speakers and celebrities will be announced one day later.
“We are very excited about the amount of support we are receiving from many prominent elected officials and organization leaders.” announced Karen Feldman of Count Every Vote ’08. “These officials are as committed as we are to seeing that every vote cast in this election is counted fairly and proportionally. They realize how high the stakes are if, once again, millions of voters feel their votes have been disregarded.”
“My entire adult life has been dedicated to registering and inspiring young people to get involved and vote. This is a logical continuation of that work. How can we even think of ignoring 2.4 million voters in an election this close?” commented Jehmu Greene, who has agreed to emcee the rally. “We must move away from the dangerous precedent of allowing small groups of people to determine the outcome of elections.”
The following speakers are planned to address the rally crowd beginning at 9:45am. The event will begin at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel at 7:00am Saturday, May 31st and continue until the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee has announced their decision. A detailed time schedule will be released on Friday as well as 5 to 10 additional speakers and celebrities.
The speakers are:
Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, OH 11th Congressional District
Congresswoman Corrine Brown, FL 3rd Congressional District
2008 Congressional Candidate Eric Massa, NY 29th Congressional District
Ambassador Elizabeth Bagley, Former US Ambassador to Portugal and Senior Adviser to Secretary Madeleine Albright
Kim Gandy, President of the National Organization for Women (NOW)
Brent Wilkes, National Executive Director, League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
Jehmu Greene, Former President of Rock the Vote
Lulu Flores, President, National Women’s Political Caucus
Amy Rao, Founder, Integrated Archive Systems and President, 11th Hour Project
Reverend Marcia Dyson, African-American Minister from Washington, DC
Jim Hannagan, Founder, Florida Demands Representation
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WomenCount PAC was created to ensure that the 51 percent of American citizens who are women have their values and votes counted in the political process.
WomenCount PAC Contacts:
Stacy Mason Rosemary Camposano
Managing Director Communications Director
(650) 793-3556 (650) 740-5544
Stacymason@aol.com rosemary1ac@camposano.com
Count Every Vote ’08 Contacts:
Karen Feldman Cathy Lasry
(518) 828-4330 (917) 626-9787
(518) 755-4441 cell clasry@avenuecapital.com
katskill@aol.com
All this we were muscled aside in the caucus states is BS. All it shows is the Clinton team did not have the numbers or the organization to win. All those hard working and hard studying Obama supporters found a way to show up.
And now the Clinton team is trying to use the rules to disenfranchise Texas voters to their advantage so you are not pure either.
qwert — I guess Clinton should have bussed in high school kids to fill out her ranks. What exactly do you see in Obama? The man talks about bringing people together but the only ones he seems to bring together are the people who hate the rest of us.
I will happily vote for McCain, real American and a war hero. Go compete with that.
VOTERS, NOT LAWYERS !!!!
In the Chicago, Obama used lawyers to prevent the voters from having a choice. He kept opponents off of the ballot on legal technicalities, and he was the only choice!
Now, he is using lawyers to keep the voters in TWO STATES from the democratic process.
This is undemocratic. This is the worst abuse of lawyers in the history of this country.
LAWYERS EXIST TO SERVE THE CITIZENS, NOT TO RULE THEM!!!!!
OBAMA IS A FASCIST!!!
qwert.what??????????? have you even noticed that your state of Texas only has counted 41% of your caucus?????????
How has anyone gotten any delegates when 59% is not even counted yet?
Go check it out on CNN and MSNBC election boards..and then check on your state Election boards..
then come back here and tell the many of us who worked as co-chairs or Co-captians of caucus’s for other candidates ..how Obama didn’t cheat the caucus’s…i did work as a Co-Captain for a large caucus in Iowa..and i saw the cheating first hand!! with my very own eyes!
now go take care of your own state and get the dang numbers counted will ya??????
OH and my vote is being stolen by obama and his surrogates..and my state has fully certified my vote and the votes of my state..how come your state hasn’t certifed your votes???????
go check on your own state before you make anymore comments..
fly
I would love to hear more about the cheating you saw at the Iowa caucuses.
I wish there were a permanent website with testimonials.
http://caucuscheating.blogspot.com/
“All those hard working and hard studying Obama supporters found a way to show up.”
So, you cut class. You’ve probably done it before for a lot less important things than voting.
After you get a job, come back to this forum and let us know if they let you have a day off—with pay—to go vote. I emphasized “with pay”, because after you’re supporting yourself (without your parents footing the bill) that’s the only way you’ll take a day off.
Ain’t that the truth. They are disquesting they think they know so much I cannot believe how stupid the kids are now days we used to be able to think for ourselves but now days they must blindly follow the fruad. Well you live by the Koolaid then you die by the koolaid
They are the product of Bush’s no child left behind.
I agree, Lucinda. None of my family could get time off in Nevada to caucus. If it were just a matter of voting, they all could have done it. But with mortgages, elderly parents to support, COLLEGE AGE children to support, they couldn’t take that much time off. And in some cases, their bosses couldn’t afford to let them off. It’s a reality. Clinton’s supporters tend to be older (above the age of 22) and that means we have life to deal with.
Caucuses are unfair. The Democrats need to reform their entire voting system.
Boy
Talk about perverting the English language. So bullying, and physically shoving people around, locking doors on them and other viloent actions are now excused as:
You are an absolute disgrace to anything remotely resembling Democracy. Have you though about relocation to say Uzbekistan?
Don’t worry, I have insured that at least my neighborhood will be safe from the Fascist Thugs you Call “Hard Working Obama Supporters”. I have provided doumentation to the Police Captain across the sreet, and to the Country Sheriff 3 houses away. Both these law enforcement officials have agreed that any Obama people should be picked up for plans to foment civil unrest.
qwert,
You do not know what you are talking about, just like your chosen candidate doesn’t. You are both full of nothing but “rhetoric with no substance”. I was at the Texas Caucus and the Obama supporter’s took the Packets as early as 6:30 AM which they were told not to do, They never let go and then when time came to vote they took over the precinct by some of them pushing the people that was suppose to run it across the room to chairs. They called in incorrect totals for Obama instead of correct ones. He actually had 4 delegates and they called in 19 delegates. Some of them ended up spending not only the night but a couple of days in jail, when my 88 year old Mother showed up, who can hardly walk on her walker and not at all and they took her wlaker away from her when she sid she was there to vote for Hillary. They said you are in the wrong place old woman this is an Obama precint you need to go across town. When I saw what was happening I called the police and then I got a big hard plastic bnottle and went through the crowd and hit him with all of the strength my red headed temper could muster. The Police arrived and hauled them off to jail and my Mother was taken to the hospital to make sure she was ok. They are charged with Abuse of the Elderly which in Texas is a very serious charge and I hope that spend a few years in jail, maybe they will learn something!
FREAT PERSON YOU PICKED TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT! I CAN UNDERSTAND THOUGH FOR I HAVE NOT MET ONE OBAMA SUPPORTER THAT DOESN’T ACT THAT WAY AND YOUR CANDIDATE ENCOURGES IT WITH ALL OF HIS RACE CRAP HE TRIES TO BLAME ON OTHERS!
I told you a bunch of thugs well young punk just remember you live as a thug as so you will die. I only hope one day these young punks have someone do to them what was done to your 88 year old mom. These kids today really have no brain to think on their own. Obama needs to be in jail for being a thug.
Iam so sorry that happened and I am so glad you were there and the thug went to jail
frakkin thugs
chicago combine must NOT GO NATIONAL
and we MUST go to the convention so these issues are addressed, if they dont go to the floor with this, all this will be swept under the rug..
NO TO COMBINE
NO TO THUGS
NO TO STEALING VOTES
NO TO ENDING THIS EARLY
NO TO VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT
NO TO OBAMA
NO NO NO
Wow, Evelyn..
I am so sorry you and your mother had to endure that crap!
Bless you both for showing up.
You Obamabots are sickening face it YOUR MAN IS A PUNK WHO STOLE THIS ELECETION. I CANT WAIT UNTIL HIS RACIST SEXIST ASS is gone from Politics. [REMOVED BY ADMIN: WE DO NOT PERMIT THE ADVOCATING OF VIOLENCE.] I say overturn the 26th admendement that will end this nightmare because they have shown bad judgement in the past and this election they are guilty of treason. Obama is a foregin terriorist who is a traitor. He should be in prison.
[THIS PERSON IS NOW ON MODERATION. EVEN ANGER HAS ITS REASONABLE LIMITS.]
kill not only him but his young supporters….
Please, lets not get dragged down to their level. It only undermines what the good people on this site are trying to accomplish. Thanks
yes please dont talk like they do
it hurts larry and Hillary both
Another Obama supporter trying to stir up trouble. Yawn.
HIllary got more of the votes in Texas in the primary. What are you talking about?
We all know that caucuses are undemocratic. And the Dmes ssytem is undemocratic. The caucus in WY where only a few thousands people voted got the same number of dlegates as RI where over 150, 000 people voted.
you are full of shix! i am from texas and saw first hand the ugly tactics used by the obama campaign. so march your self righteous axx back to obama central.
qwert- I was one of those people muscled aside at my caucus. Apparently by arrogant assholes like yourself. The people who were doing the intimidating at my Washington State caucus were affluent white males, who had the lifestyle that afforded them to be there. The shift workers, the people with small children and family obligations, those with NO transportation, the disabled, the elderly, had no chance.
My caucus location was completely unreachable by public transportation. It had two disabled parking spaces, and all the lot parking (in the small lot) was taken up by able-bodied Obama supporters.
It was a clusterfuck of momentous proportions. Hillary’s signs were removed, I was accosted by Obama supporters. So don’t tell ME that it was a matter of being “outorganized.” I attended the caucus in 2004, as an Edwards supporter. Yes.. the Kerry people were more vocal, BUT it was NEVER NEVER like this. NEVER. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
The 2004 caucus was in a larger venue. It was run by Non-Partisan Democrats. There was order and civility. No one candidate dominated anything. Except for a few loudmouth Kerry supporters, it was largely civil. Had nothing to do with Edwards organization, or Kerry’s organization. The gaming of the 2008 caucuses have EVERYTHING to do with systematic disenfranchising of Clinton supporters, and intimidation by Obama’s followers.
I will never vote for that scumbag and his scumbag followers. Ever.
so oblowme doesn’t think it’s “a helpful dynamic.” of course, he doesn’t. counting florida’s and michigan’s votes isn’t helpful - to him!
besides, who put him in charge of deciding what people should and shouldn’t do and what’s helpful or not?
sadly, it’s too late. the harm is done. if florida’s and michigan’s votes had been counted when they happened the oblowme story line pushed by the in-his-pocket msm about his so-called delegate “lead” wouldn’t have happened. and hillary would’ve clinched the nomination by now. but even if they count the votes now, it won’t put her above him, due to the effects of the so-called “lead” on the sd’s and the usefulness of that lie to the msm. so oblowme will get the nomination anyway.
and lose like he deserves to in november.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
so saddened…if hillary pulls off the popular vote…and the pledged becomes tighter…and more negative revelations continue to spill out from bo’s racist campaign - we have plently of time for super d’s to switch back to clinton. and if hillary supporters continue to make their voices heard that we will NEVER support a corrupt, racist and inept candidate like Obama..there is still hope.
I like to think there is always hope. I think she is going to be the nominee but we must continue to take this country back from the Left wing of this party they are going to destroy Americia and Obama wants to turn whites into slaves that is what I heard. I bet he tells his supporters in that church of his I wonder if we should trust him hes so dirty that I bet thats true He really hates whites or why would he want to hang around that church for 20 years.
Obama doesn’t believe in creating chaos however, in the next week he will have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid stop the nomination process from continuing. Gee I had the mistaken belief that the Democrats believed in Democracy. So if you take Democracy from the Democrats you are left with rats.
I think Harry and Nancy are making a big mistake in stopping this process because it will only result in a huge migration away from the Democratic Party. Never in my life have I seen Congressional leaders stop a nomination. In 1980 Teddy Kennedy was 300 delegates behind Jimmy Carter and he fought all the way to the convention. However, this is Hillary and they want her out no matter how bad this looks. They are beyond caring.
Nancy Pelosi is a female impersonator.
I have no desire to belong to a party that suppresses free speech and votes.
Also, Cristi, you rock! I agree completely.
I believe Ted Kennedy was more than 700 delegates behind Carter at the 1980 Democratic convention, which is even more enraging when you consider what the Dem establishment (and the media) are trying to get away with now.
Kennedy also trailed Carter with 3 million votes and he still went to the convention!
790 behind, Fat Teddy was. Nobody said BOO to him.
You might want to check out this linked article and then tell me who you think you are supporting:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
A vote for Obama is a vote for Karl Rove and the Republicans. Obama’s campaign must know about this tactic which proves to me that Obama is a divider and has encouraged the throwing of Hillary and her supporters under the bus.
I’ll vote Nader or not vote this time around.
If Nancy or anyone stops the race, I will vote, (R) accross the board. If that happens, how are the dem’s any better than the Rep’s? At this piont I don’t think they are, the WY cacaus was a diaster! I know I was there, and all the stories are true! Obama did make sure that all his running mates, were not in the ballot in Chicago, and he’ll do it again if possible. I have no trust in any of the dem leaders (kennedy, richardson,edwards and all the other traditors) anymore. At least I trust Hillary and John McCain.
They can’t stop the process. They can strong-arm people, but she doesn’t have to release her pledged delegates if she doesn’t want to do so. There is nothing they can do about that.
I love the part about having a live donkey on display to show what a*ses the DNC are. If they don’t do the right thing, perhaps they should let it wander in and show its displeasure all over the floor.
lolololol love it.
Oprah, which one: “Hillary or McCain?” No Other Option.
She will vote present.
qwert.what??????????? have you even noticed that your state of Texas only has counted 41% of your caucus?????????
How has anyone gotten any delegates when 59% is not even counted yet?
Go check it out on CNN and MSNBC election boards..and then check on your state Election boards..
then come back here and tell the many of us who worked as co-chairs or Co-captians of caucus’s for other candidates ..how Obama didn’t cheat the caucus’s…i did work as a Co-Captain for a large caucus in Iowa..and i saw the cheating first hand!! with my very own eyes!
now go take care of your own state and get the dang numbers counted will ya??????
OH and my vote is being stolen by obama and his surrogates..and my state has fully certified my vote and the votes of my state..how come your state hasn’t certifed your votes???????
fly
Oblowme disparages women because he’s jealous.
Oblowme looked like such a jerk in his Muslim hat and dress, with his scrawny bod. Yuck!
Get lost, troll!
My boyfriend is republican, and he said he would drive me but not participate, but that’s the best I can get. lol.
I think I should go no matter what. I’m about 5 hours drive away.
oh go go definitely go!
I am in AZ and cant go!
I plan to go to Denver and now people are whiny oh it will hurt the party wahh wahh
frak them, if he cant stand a floor fight he is to weak to face mccain, period.
how do people justify saying staying in will hurt Hills career? Someone on Marsh posted yesterday hey it didnt hurt Teddys career any, lion of the Senate and he took it to he floor with a huge gap and no popular vote lead
TAKE IT TO DENVER HILLARY PLEASE
WE ARE WITH YOU AL THE WAY
THE LYING AND CAUCUS STEALING MUST BE EXPOSED
WE NED TO GO TO THE FLOOR!
/typos galore!
This rally needs to be advertised a LOT more. There must be a good turn out because now the media will be scrutinizing it and also, of course, judging the turn out and looking for anything negative to remark about.
–I imagine Obama followers might show up, wouldn’t be difficult–it IS DC, and Moveon. org might get involved—who knows, and it could appear to be a battle of the wills.
I don’t know though. Just something I imagined.
___Hillary supporters, it is TIME to put your words into action and show up.
Fight for this.
FOX has it on the scroll this morning :0)
I think FL DEMANDS REPRESENTATION is all over it
and the free blogs are too
too few of those today..
thank Gawd for NOQUARTER!
Please take video cameras. CNN, MSNBC will not cover it. Post it on youtube. The media is not on our side.
KAT,
do you know if there is a flop house if people decide to just fly in for this?
there is a hotel with rooms and buses going from Indiana
check comments on TaylorMarsh and they can hook you up with contact emails for those who have space :0)
Love it! The turnout for this will be enormous — let the press try for a media blackout on this one.
Obambi will look like he is guilty of voter suppression. Dick Durbin is furious as are most Michiganders. Floridians are outraged. 2000, anyone?
Can’t wait to hear Axelrod’s response to this…
Kinda funny about media blackout. Will they use this chance to show the Democrats in total disarray and at war with themselves? Or will they try to dismiss any conflict that might damage their darling Obama?
Whichever benefits media is what will ultimately happen. Not what benefits “real” journalism or honest reporting. What was it Gene Lyons said in his column the other day?
And so whatever way they “think” things are is the way the event will be covered. I suspect they will be “amused”.
For those that can’t go to Washington, they can make calls on Saturday…that is what I am going to do so I will at least feel like I’m doing something…Call those voters..and urge them to vote for Hillary…
To everyone going…thank you for the ones who can’t…Let all our voices be heard…
This might be a good time to re-post this for talking points. Why were only 2 states punished, while 3 other states moved their primary dates up also.
http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/5465
Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.
Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.
Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.
Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.
However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.
And what about Florida & Michigan?
Well, we all know what happened to them.
Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of all their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
Ladies & Gentlemen, this is what happens when the rules aren’t applied equally and fairly. And as I said before, this mess is a result of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee not applying the rules equally and fairly.
So, the next time someone starts talking about the rules, might I suggest two courses of action:
1.) Read the damn rules first!
-and-
2.) Let them know that the rules were bent to allow for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to keep their preferred first-in-the-nation status.
RIGHT ON!!
HILLYEAH!
BOOYAH!!!
CALL SD!!!
CALL MT!!!
CALL PR!!!
Boracuas for Hillary unite!!!
we need to get the turnout up up up!!!
What is up with this guy, so now he says that it is somehow wrong to protest in AMERICA! HELLO SELMA! If it wasn’t for Protesting he wouldn’t be here today cause that 92% of black people that voted for him, wouldn’t have been able to vote in the first place.
Is there no limits to his audacity! Bush the II. I swear Obama sounds more like Bush everyday.
Agree, that’s what’s so scary about him.
History is not his strong suit. He likes to remind us of this frequently.
what is his strong suit lol oh yeah Hope and change.
Yup, Bush third term is OBAMA!
BO is tired, fedup that this has gone on for so long, that Hillary would just NOT go away. He is used to eliminating his opponents by “legal mob tactics”….Anderson Cooper FINALLY did a few mins last night on how BO eliminated his opponents in his first race in Chicago, and was left the lone candidate on the ballot. Today, one of them, Alice Palmer works with the Hillary campaign.
They (BO +) studied the system, and figured out how to “beat” it, by using hardball tactics in the caucuses; I am sure they have devised a way to use below the belt tactics on McCain…Axelrod vs Rove in the final bloody battle.
They are flip sides of the same coin.
yes it is wrong to protest not counting votes
but fine to threaten blood in the streets in Denver
Oblahma ROOLZ..
what will they do if he steals the nom and then loses in November?
cause he will lose BIG HUGE INCREDIBLY GIGANTIC LOSS TO MAR THE BIGGEST LOSS OF ALL TIME
If protesting is wrong, then why is it ok for the http://www.recreate68.org (obama supporters) to do it the convention?
If I lived in a caucus state I wouldn’t want some little pisspot, who cut class while his parents worked to pay for his education, making a decision for ME as to who wins my state. I don’t know what you pisspots think you are going to do on election day. Your busload of harassers would be arrested if you tried anything in a REAL election. You know what a REAL election is don’t you? The stories of the bullying and cheating pulled by Obama people at these caucuses are not only legendary, but they are seriously INDICATIVE of what a slime ball Obama is and what follows him. You all carry a stench with you and you are going to get your asses run through a carwash in November, IF that pig even gets that far before they either cuff him or most of America is reviled by him after watching the Swiftboats on TV.
Uppity, Obama is probably thinking he can out-fraud the repubs and win. He is thinking he can do what is done in Cook County everywhere else. But unfortunately for him at least half the party does not want to win that way.
we may find ourselves if the cabal gets their way praying the GOP are better thieves than the combine
NO NO NO
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LOL hey yet has to learn what the Republicans know about fixing things up.
I’m really hoping that this is true. Because this raptprick is so devious, him and his cabal, I have to think they they’ve got something really nasty up there sleeves. Let’s pray that the good folks in the Republican Party get over their McCain disdain and not let this squeeze get elected. We have to make sure it isn’t even close enough that they can cheat it.
It is not sour grapes. Barack and Michelle Obama made it clear at the beginning of this primary election that there would never be any combination of an Obama and Clinton ticket that would encompass the entire party. Barack and Michelle Obama made it clear that this would be a winner take all contest and they were not and continute to be uninterested in hearing our voices and working together.
What happens in a winner take all contest is the winner takes all, and the loser packs up and goes home. Barack and Michelle Obama set the rules for this contest. We are just playing by the rules, packing up and going home.
Today Barack Obama said “As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us” This is another example of an Obama empty statement, Barack and Michelle Obama are not interested in uniting us, Barack and Michelle Obama are only interested in consolidating their power.
I agree with you. Everytime a supporter tries the guilt trip, I think about Michelle’s comment and it makes me smile.
right on! I wish I could be there and will be there in full spirit…this is exhilarating…fantastic…
the DNC needs to be embarrassed into putting the democracy back into the Democratic Party…if Obama’s method of creating a new way of doing politics means he diminishes two states and picks and chooses the kind of voters he likes…well, we do not need him…
kudos to all who organized and are going…this is like getting a blood transfusion…we will show this country that we are serious and we have got Hillary’s back all the way…
all the way to the convention…and beyond…
Wish the woman had said no, this is not changing the rules after the fact, Obama himself said he’d get the delegates seated before he lost both states. He also blocked revotes.
I find the idea of an independent candidate HRC very intriguing. If she would take former NY mayor Bloomberg as VP candidate she would firmly base herself in the middle of the political spectrum and push obama to the left and mccain probably out of the picture (and the money would be there, too). This would show crossover appeal and REAL change.
CLINTON/BLOOMBERG 08!
Bloomberg hates Clinton and supports barky.
Clinton/Dobbs 08
I wish I could be there, but since I’m a white guy with all my inherited privilages, I need to go to work so I can earn some more money. Plus I need to look for my trust fund, I’ve been searching all over the house, but I can’t find any information about where the trust fund is or how I can get a hold of it. I guess I missed a memo.
On a serious note. The DNC website has a contact form on it as well as well as an area to leave blog comments. I would urge everyone you can’t attend the rally to start submitting your wishes to the DNC and make sure they know they are not going to be able to get away with stealing this nomination. Here is the link for the contact page and you will be able to see the blog link where you can make public comments
http://www.democrats.org/contact.html
“Plus I need to look for my trust fund, I’ve been searching all over the house, but I can’t find any information about where the trust fund is or how I can get a hold of it. I guess I missed a memo.”
You and me both, brother. I sure could use trust fund right now. Unfortunately, I’ve had to work for every penny I have.
I’ve sent plenty of messages to the DNC. If they can’t count the votes from the early primaries, then the only fair thing to do is have a re-vote. Obama could pay for it with all of those surplus millions he’s received from celebrities and rich, white friends with trust funds.
Well I called Mom and asked where the hell my trust fund was. She told me as soon as she located her fund, I would get mine. Oh well guess I have to go back to work.
ROFLOL !!!
Thanks MYTownTalks I sent in my “questions” just now:
“While the world is watching are you truly going to make fools of yourselves and not count the votes and seat the delegates of MI and FL? Are you going to leave the status quo of selective enforcement of the rules to disenfranchise millions of registered Democrats? Are you ready for the resulting migration of those voters if the answers to the above are yes?”
Thank you for reminding us to speak up and send a note to the DNC.
Not counting votes is a travesty regardless of the political party perpetrating the travesty. I let them know that as much as it will pain me cross lines and vote for a Republican, I will do so since counting votes is a Democratic fundamental issue. No questions. Period.