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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Unity&#8221; Shuck and Jive: Obama Campaign Opposed Counting 100% of Florida&#8217;s Votes &#8212; But Tried to Avoid Saying So</title>
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		<title>By: WiND</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-1210491</link>
		<dc:creator>WiND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>По моему скромному мнению, не стоит обольщатся на эту тему. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>По моему скромному мнению, не стоит обольщатся на эту тему. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-1206841</link>
		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ну - это очень старый артикль!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ну &#8211; это очень старый артикль!</p>
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		<title>By: Бaбoчкa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-1206832</link>
		<dc:creator>Бaбoчкa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 07:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Вот это да... По моему мнению, об этом пишут уже на каждом блоге :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Вот это да&#8230; По моему мнению, об этом пишут уже на каждом блоге <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Obama, Florida, Disenfranchisement and Quicksand : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-729139</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama, Florida, Disenfranchisement and Quicksand : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the full inclusion of Florida&#8217;s delegates in the Democratic convention as a &#8220;&#8216;Unity&#8217; Shuck and Jive,&#8221; a &#8220;shuck and jive&#8221; that will now have electoral [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the full inclusion of Florida&#8217;s delegates in the Democratic convention as a &#8220;&#8216;Unity&#8217; Shuck and Jive,&#8221; a &#8220;shuck and jive&#8221; that will now have electoral [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kinky Ogremann</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303556</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinky Ogremann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how far removed the Obamabots are - they actually feel that Obama&#039;s &quot;concession was a mark of true leadership&quot;!  I have a difficult time of even typing those words! 

Their weird reasoning:
- You should be glad you even got that as Obama had the votes (by a margin of one) to split MI by 50/50, which is what he wanted and would have passed - this is true, but just because he had them in his pocket doesn&#039;t make it right. They are suppose to rule based on principles and ethics, not partisanship. 
- The reason why they reached this &quot;magnanimous compromise&quot; was because the Clinton supporters on the committee, realizing how this would look, implored them during that private 3 hour lunch meeting to reconsider for the sake of party unity and for the necessary win by a Democrat of MI in the general.  
- the best these idiots could come up with besides 50/50 delegate proportioning? 69-59 and stealing 4 Clinton delegates for a person not even on the ballot. A person who at most, probably only received half of the 40% uncommitted vote as Edwards was polling really high in MI.  To second-guess the actual voters, to hijack another candidate&#039;s delegates, to use exit polls to determine actual elections while negating those actual elections, to substitute one&#039;s own judgment as to how many actually MIGHT HAVE voted or stayed home, is ridiculous and completely undemocratic.

That, Obamabots is why we say you are devoid of reasoning, of ethics, of morality, and most importantly, of the true principles of what comprises America -- democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how far removed the Obamabots are &#8211; they actually feel that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;concession was a mark of true leadership&#8221;!  I have a difficult time of even typing those words! </p>
<p>Their weird reasoning:<br />
- You should be glad you even got that as Obama had the votes (by a margin of one) to split MI by 50/50, which is what he wanted and would have passed &#8211; this is true, but just because he had them in his pocket doesn&#8217;t make it right. They are suppose to rule based on principles and ethics, not partisanship.<br />
- The reason why they reached this &#8220;magnanimous compromise&#8221; was because the Clinton supporters on the committee, realizing how this would look, implored them during that private 3 hour lunch meeting to reconsider for the sake of party unity and for the necessary win by a Democrat of MI in the general.<br />
- the best these idiots could come up with besides 50/50 delegate proportioning? 69-59 and stealing 4 Clinton delegates for a person not even on the ballot. A person who at most, probably only received half of the 40% uncommitted vote as Edwards was polling really high in MI.  To second-guess the actual voters, to hijack another candidate&#8217;s delegates, to use exit polls to determine actual elections while negating those actual elections, to substitute one&#8217;s own judgment as to how many actually MIGHT HAVE voted or stayed home, is ridiculous and completely undemocratic.</p>
<p>That, Obamabots is why we say you are devoid of reasoning, of ethics, of morality, and most importantly, of the true principles of what comprises America &#8212; democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: The DNC - A party in crisis&#160;&#124;&#160;Herd Watching</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303544</link>
		<dc:creator>The DNC - A party in crisis&#160;&#124;&#160;Herd Watching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In looking at the why, it becomes clear that there is more to it than simply the politics of this election. If all that was in play was the 2008 race then Obama&#8217;s handlers should have pushed for a full seating, without penalty, of FL and MI. It almost certainly would not have prevented the super delegates from voting for him and pushing forward his nomination. It would have been a hugely popular move and almost certainly would have taken the fight out of many Hillary supporters. Instead Obama&#8217;s mouthpiece opposed the full seating, but like Obama himself tried hard to avoid having to say anything of substance out loud. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In looking at the why, it becomes clear that there is more to it than simply the politics of this election. If all that was in play was the 2008 race then Obama&#8217;s handlers should have pushed for a full seating, without penalty, of FL and MI. It almost certainly would not have prevented the super delegates from voting for him and pushing forward his nomination. It would have been a hugely popular move and almost certainly would have taken the fight out of many Hillary supporters. Instead Obama&#8217;s mouthpiece opposed the full seating, but like Obama himself tried hard to avoid having to say anything of substance out loud. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kinky Ogremann</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303488</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinky Ogremann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not - there&#039;s already circulating whispers that Obama is already seeking Dean&#039;s replacement on the DNC.  Obama IS known after all for throwing people under the bus after he&#039;s done bleeding them dry of any political usefulness - see grandma who raised him, Wright who introduced him to God, Trinity church that gave him Black credibility and helped him achieve office in Chicago, and perhaps after tomorrow - his wife, who was his legitimacy to the American slavery history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not &#8211; there&#8217;s already circulating whispers that Obama is already seeking Dean&#8217;s replacement on the DNC.  Obama IS known after all for throwing people under the bus after he&#8217;s done bleeding them dry of any political usefulness &#8211; see grandma who raised him, Wright who introduced him to God, Trinity church that gave him Black credibility and helped him achieve office in Chicago, and perhaps after tomorrow &#8211; his wife, who was his legitimacy to the American slavery history.</p>
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		<title>By: salliort</title>
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		<dc:creator>salliort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080601/Primary.Rdp/

&quot;Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.&quot; 

He said this on ABC&#039;s &quot;This Week.&quot;

It was more strongly worded in an earlier report, by AP.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.&#8221; </p>
<p>He said this on ABC&#8217;s &#8220;This Week.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was more strongly worded in an earlier report, by AP.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302425</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Brent,

Myself, I thought there would be an appeal and wanted to see how it went before making noise.

The appeal has, at long last, happened.  And now I&#039;m making noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Brent,</p>
<p>Myself, I thought there would be an appeal and wanted to see how it went before making noise.</p>
<p>The appeal has, at long last, happened.  And now I&#8217;m making noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302401</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, I agree with you -- except that Wexler is &lt;strong&gt;not all&lt;/strong&gt; bad.  He really did fight for FL&#039;s paper trail -- and now we have one.

I&#039;m just strongly disappointed in him over the RBC/FL thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, I agree with you &#8212; except that Wexler is <strong>not all</strong> bad.  He really did fight for FL&#8217;s paper trail &#8212; and now we have one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just strongly disappointed in him over the RBC/FL thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302387</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medusa,

Thanks.  I don&#039;t have a link to the Tarpley piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medusa,</p>
<p>Thanks.  I don&#8217;t have a link to the Tarpley piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302342</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I covered Michigan&#039;s plan in early May at Buck Naked Politics:

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/05/michigan-dems-w.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I covered Michigan&#8217;s plan in early May at Buck Naked Politics:</p>
<p><a href="http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/05/michigan-dems-w.html" rel="nofollow">http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/05/michigan-dems-w.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deb Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302310</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alcee Hastings, an African American official in Florida, said something simlar.  That&#039;s why he&#039;s boycotting the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alcee Hastings, an African American official in Florida, said something simlar.  That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s boycotting the convention.</p>
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		<title>By: TheViking</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302126</link>
		<dc:creator>TheViking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey sallory, can you give us a link to that? TIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey sallory, can you give us a link to that? TIA</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302122</link>
		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida Democratic legislators, confronted with the choice between vetoing a bill calling for a paper trail on electronic voting to which Republicans added a provision moving up the primary, which veto the Republican governor promised to overturn with the help of the Republican legislature; or vote for paper ballots and trust the Democratic national party would understand and, in accordance with the exception provided for in DNC rules, withhold any punishment.  These starry-eyed Florida legislators failed to foresee the zealous advocacy these otherwise law-abiding attorneys on the Rules and By-laws Committee would demonstrate to make Senator Obama their candidate, so enamored of him that they would disenfranchise Florida voters.  As for Michigan...  Who could imagine these movers and shakers of democracy would allocate the votes of our citizens from &quot;Uncommitted&quot; to any candidate or, adding insult to injury, argue that exit polls provide a sufficiently accurate picture from which to determine how many votes should be taken away from Senator Clinton and given to him?  

Saying &#039;theses votes don&#039;t count&#039; in FL and MI only acknowledged the DNC said they wouldn&#039;t count but in no way conceded, they would never count.  I figured, the DNC just wanted to prevent other states from moving up their primaries.  And, for the most part, it worked!  As far as I can see, even without considering whether FL and MI votes could be fully restored under exceptions to the rule, the DNC had no need to punish them for voting early, now, anyway!  Only, evidently, the DNC had something else in mind than just the primary calendar.  Indeed, Donna Brazille now admits that, the votes from Florida, her home state, will count, in full, at the convention, so the delegates from these states can vote for the man the SD&#039;s have already named as the nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida Democratic legislators, confronted with the choice between vetoing a bill calling for a paper trail on electronic voting to which Republicans added a provision moving up the primary, which veto the Republican governor promised to overturn with the help of the Republican legislature; or vote for paper ballots and trust the Democratic national party would understand and, in accordance with the exception provided for in DNC rules, withhold any punishment.  These starry-eyed Florida legislators failed to foresee the zealous advocacy these otherwise law-abiding attorneys on the Rules and By-laws Committee would demonstrate to make Senator Obama their candidate, so enamored of him that they would disenfranchise Florida voters.  As for Michigan&#8230;  Who could imagine these movers and shakers of democracy would allocate the votes of our citizens from &#8220;Uncommitted&#8221; to any candidate or, adding insult to injury, argue that exit polls provide a sufficiently accurate picture from which to determine how many votes should be taken away from Senator Clinton and given to him?  </p>
<p>Saying &#8216;theses votes don&#8217;t count&#8217; in FL and MI only acknowledged the DNC said they wouldn&#8217;t count but in no way conceded, they would never count.  I figured, the DNC just wanted to prevent other states from moving up their primaries.  And, for the most part, it worked!  As far as I can see, even without considering whether FL and MI votes could be fully restored under exceptions to the rule, the DNC had no need to punish them for voting early, now, anyway!  Only, evidently, the DNC had something else in mind than just the primary calendar.  Indeed, Donna Brazille now admits that, the votes from Florida, her home state, will count, in full, at the convention, so the delegates from these states can vote for the man the SD&#8217;s have already named as the nominee.</p>
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