Detailed caucus-primary statistical report
By MarkJay on June 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Popular Vote, Washington state
Peniel Conin, President & CEO of Global Basic and eNameWiz.com, has written a detailed 13-page statistical report and analysis of caucus vs. primary results from the 2008 Democratic nominating campaign. (This has been reported at Talkleft here and here and here.)
Conin suffers from a disability resulting from a car accident 40 years ago, which left her wheelchair bound at a time when there were no curb cuts or ramps and many places were inaccessible. That is what fueled her passion about caucus information.
Among the information available in the report:
* The 37 primary states account for more than 97% of the vote — yet only 85.2% of the delegates
* The 13 caucus states account for less than 3% of the vote — yet for 14.8% of the delegates.
* The 13 caucus states have roughly 3.2 million voting age people with disabilities. Unlike official state primaries, neither the ADA nor HAVA cover caucus-related disability issues and there is limited legal recourse to force the parties to comply with accessibility standards.
* The average turnout in primary states has been 18.7%. This is more than four-fold the average turnout in caucus states, which has been 4.5%
* In the 37 primaries, Hillary Clinton is up 500,000 votes (counting Florida and Michigan; She is up by 350,000 votes if Obama is given 75% of the uncommitted vote in Michigan). In the 13 caucus states, Obama is up 300,000 votes
* Clinton has won 20 of the 37 primaries, but only 1 of the 17 caucuses
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I have some comments on the primary-caucus system myself, but I prefer to leave those out for now and leave this as an announcement and summary of a very interesting report.
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SusanUnPC’s NOTE & Personal Story: In January, I received and mailed in an absentee ballot for the Washington state presidential primary. I voted for Hillary Clinton.
On February 5, 2008, I underwent emergency surgery and was in the hospital for a full week thereafter. I will never forget that date because the Super Tuesday primaries were that day, and I missed watching all the returns because I was on an operating table.
My caucus was held on Saturday, February 9, 2008. I was unable to attend, obviously, because I was still in the hospital on IVs with very strong antibiotics to fight a massive, life-threatening infection.
My nurses, physicians, attendants, and the hospital’s other employees — from janitors to the cafeteria workers who prepared my all-liquid diet — were also unable to attend.
They ALL expressed to me how VERY unhappy they were that they, like I, were disenfranchised.
So, besides disabled people, the people I know of who were disenfranchised that day:
- anyone who must work on a Saturday
- anyone who is in a hospital as a patient
- anyone who is ill from the flu or a bad cold
- anyone who cannot traverse the LONG hallways of big school buildings, and sit in extremely uncomfortable chairs for hours
- anyone too poor to hire a babysitter to care for children
- anyone who has worked all week and who dedicates weekends to spending PRECIOUS TIME with their children
- anyone who works all week and must devote Saturdays to necessary errands, chores, repairs — including oil changes on one’s car, trips to the grocery store and pharmacy, and on and on
IN OTHER WORDS, anyone but the MOST affluent, the MOST young, the MOST physically able is DISENFRANCHISED BY THIS ABSURD SYSTEM.
Oh yes, Barack Obama did very well in Washington state’s caucuses — he won by over 60%. I forget the exact percentage now.
And what happened to that absentee ballot I cast in January? Oh, a few weeks later, it was counted along with all the ballots mailed in by voters across the state of Washington.
Barack Obama barely reached 50% in those ballots.
But guess what.
MY VOTE — and the votes of all who cast absentee ballots — did not count for a single delegate in the Democratic party.
The Republican party did a much fairer thing — they allotted a percentage of delegates to the candidate who did best in the absentee ballot count, as well as at the caucuses.
If this isn’t utterly stupid, I don’t know what is.
If this isn’t utterly CRUEL and unfair to people who have a hard time taking HOURS off on a Saturday to exercise one of their most important DUTIES as an American citizen, I do not know what is.
So the latte liberals and young students got ALL the say on who the delegates are from Washington state.
It is completely unfair and undemocratic.
I am still furious.
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CACUSES ARE ONLY FOR YOUNG AND RICH PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO TAKE 3-6 HR TIME OFF FROM WORK OR COLLEGE.
Women with kis,seniors,people with some kind of sickness-bp-bs-,people with 2 shifts to go to,can not even think about sitting in cacuses for 4 hrs
Don’t forget the 2-3 hours people had to stand in line waiting for the caucus circus to start. In Kansas, several towns had bad wx the day of forcing people to stand out in the cold freezing rain BEFORE doors opened. We had numerous reports of hundreds of people standing in line..with car loads of others that couldn’t find a place to park, drove by and didn’t stop. How many eldery, disabled folks do you know that could handle the bad wx and then standing a couple more hours inside? ridiculously absurd process.
A neighbor of mine said that her daughter who attends the University of Iowa, came home the weekend after the Iowa caucus and said she had voted for Obama in the caucus. Since she lives in Illinois, my friend asked her how she did that. Her daughter said the crowd was so large, that
no one checked where the voters came from. Since this caucus win was that one that started it all for
Obama, one wonders how legitimate that win really was?
Your neighbor’s daughter isn’t the first – or only – person to report . . . irregularities, let’s call ‘em.
There were many reports on the Edwards blog at the time of apparent cheating and intimidation of the Obama thugs, many people who shouldn’t have been there.
I was wondering how long it would take until students who were bussed in started spilling the beans. How can we make this more public?
Obama is clearly an illegitimate candidate.
He should never be president.
Is there any hope for this country at all?
First Bush, now Oidiot.
We have to keep fighting and we need the Clintons to lead us.
Call their office, write to them to ask them to help expose this fraud. Party loyalty has no place in this supposed democracy any more.
Also, does anyone have phone numbers for others who might be sympathetic to a fight, like Ickes, Lanny Davis, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, others.
Susan, my mother was unable to attend the Maine caucus because she has metastatic cancer. Obviously, she would have cast an absentee ballot (for Clinton) if she could. Caucuses are grossly undemocratic.
I am so very sorry, Max. Please give your mother my thoughts and prayers … how I wish she had been given the right to vote. EVERY act like that — particularly when one is so ill — is so important in making one feel more involved in life activities.
It is obvious that the caucuses have way too much sway on who is the Democratic Party nominee. (As I am now an Independent, it was hard not to write “our Democratic Party nominee,” but there it sits.)
The process needs to be reformed. Now.
Senator Clinton is the people’s choice as she has the popular vote. Not by much — the way I count it (with caucuses, unfortunately, and with FL and MI, of course, giving 75% of the “uncommitted” votes to Obama in MI) — but she has the popular vote by any standard.
And she’s not just won down the stretch, but blown Obama out in three, count ‘em, three primaries. West Virginia. Kentucky. And now, Puerto Rico. (One can hope that South Dakota will join this list.)
My two Senators are both Uncommitted. I got that confirmation today from my Senators; they both know about the electoral maps, they know about the polls, they know about the disproportionate effect of the caucuses — and they know that I now am an Independent (not hard in my state, as we don’t have to re-register, I found out), and will not vote for Obama under any circumstances whatsoever. I told the Senatorial aides that while I agree with them that any other Dem would be OK, I would not vote for Obama — and I really want Senator Clinton.
We’ll see what happens.
I will point out that, while not naming my two Senators, one of them has been counted in the Obama delegate count for a while now — and he is definitely on the fence. Definitely a truly uncommitted superdelegate.
My view from knowing just this — Obama must not have the delegate count that’s been imparted to him. That’s why he was stupid and went after not just the 55 MI Uncommitted Delegates (that as a practical matter would’ve almost certainly gone for him anyway as he’s the only other candidate left than Senator Clinton), but four of Senator Clinton’s earned delegates.
I, personally, would’ve been happier if they’d have counted a flat ZERO in MI than what they did; at least that would’ve been honest. What that DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee did was unconscionable (excepting the brave 12 who went for 100% reinstatement of FL, and the seven or eight who voted against the so-called MI “Compromise”).
Thank you, SusanUnPC.
LSekhmet: thank you so much for your thoughtful comment and sharing it with us. I was glad to read you contacted your congress people and made your voice heard.
Caucus = bamboozled
Hillary showed that Blue States with primaries support her, and 9 Red States caucuses support Ob.
Let all the Super D’s read this Primary vs. Caucus Report and they will back Hillary.
Thanks for the post.
I’m also from Washington State –
And I’m an eyewitness to the fact that Obama TRAINED people to game the system. Obama’s campaign dumped massive funds into Washington State — to train and organize and to buy votes.
As a result — I’m now on some sort of massive Obama database and I’m getting re-election email from local Obama-dems — the whole WA State Democratic party has been infiltrated and corrupted by the Obama/Chicago party machine.
Yep — I’m still pissed about how the WA caucus was bought by the Obama/Chicago thugs.
Rather — thank you, MarkJay.
I still want to thank SusanUnPC and Larry Johnson for running this site, though.
(Sorry, MarkJay. ‘Tis been a long day.)
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Thank you for the great analysis. We know the caucus system is a joke and these are factual numbers which cannot be refuted.
I want to know how the caucuses came to be during this primary season? They are unbelievable skewed. Everything about them is anti-democratic.
I had drive my 40 mile commute in an ice storm and try to make it inside an elementary school with my cane on the icy sidewalks. The caucuses closed at 7pm, so anyone with little kids, any older person, any one with a disability was SOL. But that sure didn’t stop the kool aid slurpers. They were out in force.
Colorado went Obama because most Hillary supporters had head that the caucus would favor him and they couldn’t and/or didn’t make it.
The lack of democracy during this election renders BO’s victories null and void. He’s a scam artist bankrolled by crooks who are bribing and paying off his endorsers.
Ok this is so odd. I cant post comments unless i delete the content of the name email url fields so that it picks up my reg info.
Hate the new comment system.
But back on topic.
Meh.
McCain 08
NObama Not Ever.
There are lots of desperate pro-Obama trolls here today. Whenever Hillary Clinton destroys him, we see frightened Obamanauts trying desperately to prop up a hopelessly crippled candidate.
Poor Obama is busy now. He has to :
- explain why he’s losing in the popular vote (like McGovern)
- explain why someone who has raised a quarter of a billion dollars lost every swing state but one (Missouri)
- explain why someone who has raised a quarter of a billiion dollars is limping to the finish line, tired, dispirited, unprepared, melting like a snow-cone in Phoenix, while his opponent is energized and prepared
- explain why the democrats should nominate, for the presidency, someone who has never faced significant republican opposition before
- explain why we should ignore electoral college projections that heavily favor Clinton over McCain, including projections that put Cal. in play if he is nominated, and the entire South, including Florida, out of play is he is nominated
- explain why he’s cratering with independents
- explain why he declared himself the nominee even though it is clear now that he will NEVER reach the required number of delegates
- explain why Texas, yet another state he gamed through the screwed up caucus system, pulls its delegates out of disgust
- explain why he keeps getting trounced by large margins
- explain why, for the second time, he has disavowed a hateful minister (he implicitly disavowed McClurkin, the anti-gay black minister in SC)
- keep a video of his hateful, manipulative, loud-mouthed, unhinged wife from the networks, cable and you-tube
- explain why latino voters hate him so much
- explain why white working class voters, the most important swing constituency in the country, continue to revile him so much
- explain why the Edwards endorsement did nothing to help him with white working class voters, and the Richardson endorsement did nothing to help him with latinos
- explain why the unity candidate has so many hateful associations
- explain why the DNC, ever so coincidentally, chose to punish states likely to side with Clinton, and reward states likely to side with Obama
- explain why he is, yet again, on the wrong side of a voter disenfranchisement scandal
- explain why people should take him seriously in ANY foreign policy debate given his numerous gaffes, misstatements, embarassing lack of preparation, and utter incompetence in the Senate
- explain why the post-racial candidate can’t survive without healthy doses of white liberal guilt and fanatical, unquestioned, black racial pride
If I were an Obamanaut, I’d be scared too. When you’ve swallowed gallons of Kool-aid and cognitive dissonance for months, buyers remorse can be difficult. Poor Obama. Manchurian Candidates rarely fare well.
raised a quarter of a billion dollars …
That is a number that will put to rest any notion of “the little” people choking up on the bat to swing for BO.
when that amount of money can’t close it, it means the dollar isn’t worth much and niether is the candidate.
He’s never faced signifant opposition from ANYBODY. He eliminates his competition. He made sure he was the only person on the ballot in Illinois. Second time around he was left with that cockroach Alan Keyes as his only competition. The guy is a chicago thug and a Marxist. He wants to be on ballots all by himself.
That’s a great list.
The only problem is he doesn’t seem scared at all - he looks as arrogant as ever.
And that could be because the whole thing is a giant fix from the (former) Democratic Party. From the media. And I’m beginning to wonder if Repubs are in on it too. Couldn’t get a real Repub to win this year so just call one a Democrat. A black guy at that. Makes him seem even more authentic Dem. Get loyal AAs behind him. He can’t really be Repub corporate fascist if he’s a minority, can he?
Time for third party is now.
Try PUMA Party - Party Unity My Ass - PUMA.
I feel very badly for you. The caucus system is a joke. It does not represent the majority and is so unfair to many like you have stated.
I guess there have just not been many close nominating elections and we have not paid attention. This is our fault and I am so sorry for it now.
I would say the rules need to be changed but I will no longer be a member of this New Democratic Party after tomorrow. So, I will have no say in changing the nominating process.
But, it is clear to me now and my eyes have been opened wide after this long nominating process. So, now I see that we really have become the party that is concerned about affirmative action but only if you are black because that is the voting black that is really important. Older women, latinos, white men, gays, and I am sure I am leaving some out that are now not needed. I guess the disabled need not apply either if they are in a state that holds a caucus.
NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHICAGO STYLE brought to you by the Alinsky Chicago Organizing Group d/b/a Axelrod, Inc. Why does Obama/Marxist always tout his “organizing” in Chicago? I guess most people equate that as an admirable thing but if they really knew what was at the root of his organizing I am sure they would see it for the marxism and collecting of bodies just get to the end of their agenda that it is - NO OBAMA/MARXIST YOU MAY HAVE FOOLED SOME BUT NOT ALL - YOU HAVE THE PARTY BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE COUNTRY.
NO OBAMA/MARXIST
HILLARY OR MCCAIN 2008
TENNESSEE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A MARXIST
SLIDE DOWN THE ELECTORAL MAP BECAUSE WE
WILL DEFEAT YOU IN NOVEMBER ALL OF US
I’m with you on this one. I also live in Washington State and attended my caucus in Seattle. There were very few of us Hillary supporters and the rest were all for Obama, but they were either really young or African-American. The young ones, who really had no idea who Hillary Clinton is, all said the same thing “end the Clinton dynasty”, like they were brain-washed zombies chanting the same message without really knowing what they were saying. The African-Americans were no better saying “hope and change” with no substance behind it. I literally felt like I was in a nightmare. The whole process was chaotic, there was no one clearly in charge, I ended up standing on a table shouting at the top of my lungs to help people figure out what to do, and I left feeling like I had accomlished nothing for Hillary. I sent my mail-in too, but knew it would mean nothing as well. I feel so discouraged by the whole mess and wish for some miracle to end this nightmare.
The primary was so different! I voted in person. Calm, organized, voter rolls present, ID required. Those should be the real results, not the laughable caucuses.
Susan,
I attended the Washington state caucuses. I live in the 48th district. I can tell you the caucuses I attended were a joke. No voter registration was required to participate. There was no way to check if people were Democrats, even though it was a closed primary. Obama people strongarmed their way into most of the positions of authority. We were outnumbered and not in a position to argue since many of us had never caucused before. There were very long line ups to get in and we started an hour and a half late.
The Obama people broke many procedural rules. Luckily, when we broke into small groups, I was able to force them to follow the rules because I had called into a conference call for information from the Hillary campaign the night before. I also checked all the math for delegate assignment. I stayed until the very end and luckily there was a Hillary supporter helping tabulate the final results.
What struck me was that there were no Hispanic people and few Asian people at the caucus, although we are a very diverse neighborhood (Redmond/Bellevue.) In fact, my kid’s middle school is nearly half latino. Few people with children attended also. No disabled people. Few elderly people. The caucus attendees did not respresent the demographics of my neighborhood.
I attended a caucus in Kent Wa. it was a JOKE…I live in senior apartment complex….390 apartments, there were only 3 of us there. Being new to WA I had no idea until a day or two before that there was to be a caucus and like everyone else sent in my absentee ballot.
Aftr the caucus I discovered my neighbours had not been aware of the caucus and were furious to discover there votes they had mailed would not count.
Sean: How about trying to read the study, then make your Obbot statement. You are helping to show what happens to a person that drinks the Kool-aid.
Read the study.
Susan, So sorry about your suffering.
What a terrible experience. And re: the caucus system. I hate to scream “sexism” about everything, but it seems it’s women who are usually more affected by that system, because of being care-givers, raising children, working more hours to receive equal pay, etc. Whenever a greater % of women than men are affected by a bad idea, little is done to rectify the situation.
Life is unfair, but it doesn’t HAVE to be!
Caucuses are so unfair, so undemocratic, they should be banned. If a state can’t afford to have a primary, let them be absent from the primary schedule.
I’d also like to see the elimination of all delegates and the proportionality. Use popular votes only, winner take all. Primaries should reflect how the GE works.
Thanks MarkJay for this post !! I read Peniel Conin’s document earlier today
and it is extraordinary. It is serious research work every SD should read. She looks at hard data objectively which by itself makes clear — and in a powerful way– that HRC is the true choice of the people.
Talking about SuperDelegates; TalkLeft just put out a way of contacting all SD.
They are posting it “Lobbying Superdelegates” . This is for all HRC supporters:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/3/02138/22420
Bear in mind what Hillary said earlier today: that even those that have declared themselves can change their minds at any time. here is the link on how to contact them. Let’s send them Peniel Conin’s document. WRITE TO THEM and tell them why HRC should be our nominee
SusanUnPC thank you for your personal story. I learned long ago that people are somewhat desensitized to meaning when referring to “number of people” (as in 1,000 this or that) but that when you spell their names just 1 hurts. That is why your story is so powerful b/c in spelling who the disenfranchised are we can see their faces, feel and understand.
If the those states that use a caucus sytem were spending A LOT more money on ramps, transit and other infrastructure to help the disabled get from Point A to Point B, that would be a fair trade. As it is, they’re just adding insult to injury.
If those states that use a caucus system had an official paid holiday on the date of the caucuses, that woudl be a fair trade. But they don’t, so the hardest workers get screwed over again.
i have emailed the report
(see my blog):
http://blog.hill4pres.com/
to ALL the super delegates.
link did not work for me ..
i will try again
r u in ca??
i am in orange county -near brea..
You’ve done a phenomenal job there! Seriously good stuff - something the SDs can’t really ignore!
Help for BO`s followers.
The Royal College of Psychiatrists
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/
They must have profiled Obama’s mind.
Several reports have mentioned that Obama is getting
credited with 75% the Michigan vote but that vote was certified as uncommitted by the state shortly after the election. I think the press is just giving it to him. Has anyone seen it documened by Michigan?
Delegates are awarded under the rules by the votes, and the DNP gave Obama all the uncommitted votes in Michigan, thus he is awarded the votes as well otherwise the delegates cannot be awarded.
The DNP also gave Obama all the mail in votes, which he has never won, Clinton has always won them, thus the 4 stolen delegates!
Wait. I thought Hillary was losing due to media bias. Then I thought it was due to sexism. Then I thought it was due to the sexist media trying to force Hillary out of the race. Are you telling me it was in fact due to the unfair caucus system?
Dang. Every week, there’s a new excuse. Keep up the good work!
I think it has more to do with Bill shooting off his mouth (among other things on the campaign trail. Did you read the Vanity Fair article? No Hillary for VP after that!
Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent!
That’s sage advice… for Bill Clinton.
I don’t know what makes you so stupid, but it really works!
u mean for MICHELLE OBAMA
Like some kind of hail storm; how quickly they forget.
It’s about the votes stupid, every single god lovin’ last one of ‘em.
Bush v Gore 2000;
So does Obama think Patrick Leahy is right or wrong in saying the super delegates should determine the outcome? And “Hillary Clinton should get out of the race”.
It is then as it is now.
The strong arm tactics. The divisve nature of indifferent bigotry; all that is baseless in American society is on display in the campaign of Barrack Hussein Obama.
Does one need a video or a Supreme Court decision to acknowledge what is already known?
Does it matter if presidency is acquired or if it is earned?
See, the problem is that God gave you a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.
ha ha ha
lol, harp, but i doubt he got enough to run either.
I believe you are spot on!!!
What is very interesting here, is that no one is speaking to the actuall overall picture here. On both sides, you have arguments with equal validity. Does it not strike you as absurdly convient that such confusion and discontinuity amoung our voting system is there. Could there be a reason for such a circular and bipolar system. I suggest that all of this is on purpose. Its classic despostism. Keep one side arguing with the other, so that in the end, one side is the winner, the other side is the looser, and there is no middle to Mediate. That is the purpose of the whole system. We are all being used, and the media is right there in the middle feeding it.
Bottom line, we have lost control of our democracy. It is so corrupted with special interests that are only two sided, Republican and Democrat, that you are forced to choose sides. Every year, we play the same game, and it seems that against all logic and contrary to how much evidence to the contrary that is brought up to disqualify a politican in the eyes of the majority of the country, someone is “installed” into office. It should be very clear to everyone what is really going on in our United governemnt/media conlogermate states of America.
Wow, with all the impassioned back and forth I almost forgot. This time tomorrow night, Senator Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.
Damn you caucus states!! [Shake tiny fist at unforgiving heavens]
Heh.
Have you considered suing your brains for nonsupport?
really, Obama is going to pick up somehow 360 pledged delegates tomorrow night out of the 60 delegates available, which is the only assurance of being a nominee before the convention?
You seeing ghosts like your idol?
The ignorance is flowing big time by Obamanerds and it is getting worse and worse!
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted that Muslims would uproot “satanic powers” and reaffirmed his prediction that the Jewish state will soon be wiped off the map, the Agence France-Presse news agency reported Monday.
“I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene,” Ahmadinejad said.
“Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started,” the hard-line president said.
And Barack wants to meet with THIS guy unconditionally?!? I think I can safely say, that if Obama is the nominee, McCain will win all 50 states!
They could share some waffles and talk about Hamas.
now, now POdVet, let’s be kind and assume obambi can bring in his home state - after all, the dead people’s votes are all for him.
by the time november rolls around, may enough truth about obambi be revealed that the only votes he gets are the dead people in his home city.
hillary or mccain. no other option.
Speaking of Iran, Captain Ahab, Dick Cheney, was on the news this morning, insulting those incestuous West Virginians, (those hillbillies!), and while watching him I thought “this man is unaware of the war in Iraq.”
He sees it , but he doesn’t, kind of like a man with a rash on his face, say.
Weird, but it explains a lot, no more than simple lobbyist thinking from Dick, and his crew, I suppose.
It is solvable, IMO, Cheney has thrown up his hands, he simply is not bright enough to grasp the bigger picture, the role of diplomacy, and negotiation. McCain’s group will be much the same, Obama’s want to milk it for even more money through corruption, and Clinton can solve it.
And Cheney, so worried about Hillary, he seems so strangely disconnected from reality.
Did anyone see Ed Schultz on Larry King tonight? Larry please address this jerk. I want to know everything about this guy. If he thinks saying the sh*t he said on Larry King is going to win anybody over (which would never happen for me) he is crazy.
Air America is a joke and this guy Ed Schultz needs to get a little bit of history out there. What a pig.
Ed Schultz and the rest of them are going down, right along with Obama. Get the popcorn ready.
And national guardsmen and women can’t vote in them. They were VERY flawed in Iowa. We had someone my age (20) running ours, an Obama supporter, and he didn’t follow rules, we had persuasion going on the whole time,trouble realigning, and the whole thing left my friends in Iraq with no voice, and they would have caucused for her. My mom had to go pick up my 2 little cousins because their mom had an emergency, so she couldn’t caucus. As many here know, I was called a fag by the Obama precinct captain and received no answer from the IDP about it. The Obama people were out of control, obnoxious, and unruly. Caucuses are a joke and everyone knows it.
Everyone Read Froma Harrop’s piece on realclearpoitics called white women take the gloves off, great piece. Add Latinos to that too please
latinos
asians
catholics
jewish
seniors
Yup, and many many other pissed Americans.
I think it`s a safe bet to include most military in that group.
Yup.
Not the ones from Obama’s Uncles brigade that liberated the jews in Poland, they will back Obama all the way to the bitter end!
LOL, Good one
Amen to that!
Link to that article please?
My suggested reforms for this mess when this nightmare is over and Hillary is inaugurated.
1. No caucuses - they represent the will of the zealots and that does not translate in a general election.
2. At least 25% of a states delegates go to the winner automatically. The remainder are divided among everyone on the ballot based on the vote.
3. Count every fricking vote as a FULL CITIZEN (in other words FREE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN).
4. Set the calendar and rotate it so no state has undue influence every year. Personally, I’d go for a March - May calendar for primaries with a July convention.
testing….
Email Conin’s to Superdelegates. Here is how:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/3/02138/22420
NQ Friends:
Please do not feed the trolls (Sean, Darryl, etc)
I know they are so dense they don’t even realize they give ratings to NQ but it’s reallly tedious to go through all those threads to get some interesting discussion.
Shhhhhhhh, I’m trying to drive up Larry’s numbers for him. Oh Sean, Larry needs a new pair of Pradas, what were you saying, lovemuffin’?
New party announced today by RiverDaughter—The PUMA Party (Party Unity My Ass)! Also new slogan read on blog somewhere—” If not Clinton,then McCain”. Using this slogan on every piece of mail I return to the DNC etc.
I have read stories that the Obama camp bullied Clinton supporters at the caucasus.I couldn’t find anything on YouTube. I like to see video evidence.
I was at Precinct 111 in Washington state. I’m also a delegate. I can tell you Obama supporters were rude, loud and pushy. They verbally manhandled elderly folks and spouted all the old Ken Starr talking points. I was shocked, actually. Liberals aren’t supposed to act like that. But these were punk kids with no manners. I became a delegate to protect the vote of my elderly neighbors. They didn’t have the energy to fight back.
Hey Nitowl. I didn’t know you had to have a video camera at a caucus dumb ass.
Whoa, I’m just saying video evidence helps your case ask Rodney King. Millions of people own one you know.
I meant millions of people own video cameras not Rodney King.
Flash Alert to Site Administration!
FDL has been down all night.
MyDD appears to be under assault by script kids and no longer under the control of the site admin.
Suggest you shut down to prevent a full-scale attack.
I don’t and won’t visit CheetoLand or
OpenLeftClosedMinds but suggest you check their status.Very, very weird at MyDD….
Tomorrow is a the “real” primary date in Ca. I will be voting tommorow.
Only 30% turnout. The first time I will be voting a straight rebubble ticket. Ever. an will do it again in November if Hillary is not the Dem nominee?
Hello Obama igits? are you reading this?
all these robocalls this year…up 100% from last year.
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I agree at MYDD an many others the comments section has been taken over by little children. Kinda like the New Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party has devolved into a cacophony of prattle, palaver and platitudes espoused by unqualified, undereducated and undeserving dolts. Those of us who are truly creative and intellectual will leave the Democratic Party if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee.
MyDD is a paid for Obama blog full of drool for the new messiah. On the rare occasion I go there anymore, if I read something so obscene I can’t (not) respond, I simply make my opinions known, often in detail, and then don’t bother to go bk and read the nonsensical diatribe of the obamatrolls. It’s not worth the energy or stress of having to deal with them, so I don’t even read their responses lol
That list of people who can’t caucus are blocks that Obama doesn’t care about anyhow, Susan. So no big deal to him.
You know who can caucus? People on welfare who don’t work can caucus. College kids can cut class and caucus, while their parents, who are paying for their education, are at work.
Funny thing though. Nobody gets to caucus the General Election.
everyone who cares needs to copy/paste this and send it to Howard Dean at the DNC
this whole campaign season has been a dispicable joke.
cnn’s front pg article now says hill is set to except a VP spot..
of course they’ve been claiming lots of things about her for quite some time..
tomorrows primary’s should prove interesting if the polls are right.. so of course the media wants to draw attention to any victories that may be perceived for Clinton.
Thank you for posting and linking about Cronin’s research.
How can we present a summary of this to Superdelegates ASAP?
One thing to keep in mind about the caucus system — and I’ll be the first to agree primaries are preferable — is that it’s not like there should have been any sort of surprise about how these things work.
The truth is, the Clinton campaign focused their efforts on winning big states and trying to close the deal by Super Tuesday. They made little preparation for the caucuses that followed. They didn’t have nearly the ground game set up, they didn’t have nearly as many local offices set up, and they wrote off trying to appeal to the sort of young and energetic people who will work at this level. In short, they had no Plan B. They came into the race with an air of inevitability, ran the same old DLC-style campaign that cost the Dems the 2000 and 2004 campaigns, and when that didn’t work, there was no sense of what else to do.
Sure, the caucuses are a bad system, but the real blame in the context of this year’s race belongs to the Clinton campaign.
You mean her campaign didn’t have a plan to cheat and bully the voters of the United States?
What gross misjudgment!
I totally agree. The caucus I attended was a joke.
We had that “primacaucus” in Texas.
It was cold and raining outside and we had the caucus at an African-American church with the pastor telling his congregation what to do. Amazingly enough, they were all let in and (mostly) Hillary supporters were left to stand in the rain and the cold waiting to be let in.
Although the caucus got a late start (it was supposed to start at 7), they didn’t start signing in folks until after 7:30.
Some of the folks that stood in the rain and cold went to sit in their cars to warm up.
The second they were gone, the doors were locked…even though they KNEW those folks were there well before 7 pm.
Even though our county primary vote went 90% for Hillary, obama got the majority of the caucus delegates.
I read far and wide that Hillary voters were disenfranchised…and not only that, the democratic party of texas (I only capitalize what I respect) ran a story on election day that Hillary was suing the state of texas because of the process.
This entire primary system has me D2BD (disgusted to be a Democrat).
the general elections …
you’re parroting received wisdom. Now try the dynasty horseshit.
the young and the energetic are offputting in politics. They’re half baked and full of shit.
Hillay supporters: this amazing video is Terry on Morning Joe yesterday.
Susan or Larry: You might want to embed this video and start a thread!
Terry explains what the campaign will be doing this week and you will like it!
In the RBC meeting on Saturday, the Obama minions were arguing for the people who could not vote for Obama for whatever reason — the imaginary non-voter. Well, he abused the real non-voter in all those caucuses from where he gets his majority of delegate lead. His strength has been inflated and the SDs have to see this.
Susan,
Is there no way to contest the signatures that were not legal at the caucuses?
[...] For the Goose MarkJay has a very enlightening post at No Quarter describing and discussing the results of this primary season. While there is a ton of [...]
I decided to add my birth year since someone else is using JP. I despise this election and the way our “democratic party” has consistently denied the people’s votes so they could bump up Obama. He is a despicable human being. I think we all should seriously consider some type of lawsuit against the media and another lawsuit against the dnc. I would like to know if we can somehow do something legal to get rid of Pelosi, Reid, et al aside from having to wait until they are up for re-election. Does anyone have a list of the members of the Senate, the Congress and any superdelegates when they will come up for re-election? Revenge will be the only satisfying thing for me even if Hillary finally becomes the nominee. These people are not true democrats. They want power more than they care about us or America.
I decided to add my birth year since someone else is using JP. I despise this election and the way our “democratic party” has consistently denied the people’s votes so they could bump up Obama. He is a despicable human being. I think we all should seriously consider some type of lawsuit against the media and another lawsuit against the dnc. I would like to know if we can somehow do something legal to get rid of Pelosi, Reid, et al aside from having to wait until they are up for re-election so we can vote and campaign against them. Does anyone have a list of the members of the Senate, the Congress and any superdelegates when they will come up for re-election? Revenge will be the only satisfying thing for me even if Hillary finally becomes the nominee. These people are not true democrats. They want power more than they care about us or America.
[...] vote. Mr. Obama “won” caucus states because most people CANNOT participate in a caucus http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/detailed-caucus-primary-statistical-report/ Mr. Colbert, don’t you believe in Fair Reflection? [...]