The RBC = Bush v. Gore
By Bud White on June 3, 2008 at 5:00 AM in Anti-Semitism, Barack Obama, Credentials Committee, Cult, Cultist Thugs, Current Affairs, DNC, Daily Kos, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Donna Brazile, Electability, Electoral College, Elitism, Hillary Clinton, Supreme Court
the RBC arbitrarily handed Michigan delegates to the DNC’s preferred candidate to try to prevent him being defeated at the convention. There is no rule or guideline in the DNC that allows that organization to redistribute a state’s delegation to the national convention. They can refuse to seat a delegation, they can refuse to permit the delegation to have full voting authority, but they cannot change the composition of the delegation.
It’s no accident that this feels like a recurring nightmare. We are seeing a recreation of the Florida 2000 coup d’état in mirror image. The Dean/Brazile/neo-liberal wing of the Party learned their lesson in Broward County all too well.
The most obvious clue of this theft, of course, is that Hillary has won more votes than Obama. Usually the popular vote winner wins the contest. Just ask Al Gore.
The insistence on “the rules” as a way of rewarding Obama over Hillary was a transparent power-grab echoing the Republican “Sore Loserman” narrative from 2000. The “rules” were created specifically to deny Hillary the nomination. The rules, as we saw over the weekend, are malleable, only needing to be massaged to assure the desired outcome. Similarly, in 2007, Republican operatives tried to change how California apportioned its electoral votes in an obvious attempt to change the rules for electoral gain.
The RBC’s back room deal regarding Michigan, which only won approval by a single vote, has the familiar ring of Bush v. Gore, where one Supreme Court Justice vote made Bush president. As Jerome Armstrong writes, “One RCB vote changed everything.” The always insightful Anglachel writes:
Reallocating votes based on the outcome you want to have, not what the certified vote count actually was, eviscerates democracy as such.
Think about this. Really think about this. A committee of people, behind closed doors and under pressure from a specific candidate to shore up his crumbling support, has functionally declared Michigan’s votes null and void and has reallocated the delegates to suit themselves.
The notion that a “committee of people” can decide outcomes regardless of voter intent is hauntingly similar to Vicent Bugliosi’s angry and brilliant essay on Bush v. Gore published in The Nation in 2001:
[By] the US Supreme Court handing the election to George Bush, the Court committed the unpardonable sin of being a knowing surrogate for the Republican Party instead of being an impartial arbiter of the law
Bugliosi argues convincingly that it wasn’t just voters of Florida who were robbed of their franchise, it was the 50 million voters across the country who voted for Gore. Similarly, the delegate stealing of Michigan and Florida isn’t only about the intent of 2.5 million voters, it’s the intentional disenfranchisement of nearly 18 million Hillary voters, a majority of the Democratic Party’s 2008 voters. Vicent Bugliosi continues:
this means that these five Justices deliberately and knowingly decided to nullify the votes of the 50 million Americans who voted for Al Gore and to steal the election for Bush…
The RBC acted in the same manner, deliberately and knowingly taking away votes from the candidate who had clearly and convincingly won in both Michigan and Florida. All of this done under the pretense of a scheduling conflict, yet the punishment was not applied equally to the other three states who also violated their “rules.”
The Rehnquist Court, according to Bugliosi, perverted the meaning and intent of the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment:
“no state shall… deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
By punishing states only Hillary won, the RBC became an arm of the Obama campaign, using its power to reward their favored candidate without giving equal protection to all Democratic voters:
The stark reality, and I say this with every fiber of my being, is that the institution Americans trust the most to protect its freedoms and principles committed one of the biggest and most serious crimes this nation has ever seen–pure and simple, the theft of the presidency. And by definition, the perpetrators of this crime have to be denominated criminals.
By going beyond its powers by taking away delegates from Hillary, the RBC became accomplices in another “theft of a presidency.”
The neo-liberal beta test was against Joseph Lieberman in 2006, a politician who had the gall to be socially moderate and hawkish on national defense — voting with Kerry, Edwards, Clinton and 73 other senators to approve the authorization to use force against Iraq.
It should come as no surprise that it was Howard Dean’s organization, Democracy for America, who spear-headed the anti-Lieberman drive.
Taking over the Connecticut Democratic Party’s nomination was relatively easily, but winning state-wide proved much more difficult. We’re likely to see similar results nationally.
The neo-liberal animus against Lieberman, like that against Hillary, is both crazed and hateful. A Daily Kos diarist, Susan Jumper, wrote that she’d like to “gas” the Jewish Lieberman, and others on her post compared Lieberman to a dog that should be killed. Der Stürmer couldn’t have said it better. While there are many examples of the crazed and hateful mindset of the Obama camp, one commentator at No Quarter exemplifies the violent imagery regularly used against Hillary, when writing:
Stop Hillary Now jkldjlkj@jlkjkldj.net
“We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing calls to drop out.
Hillary is batshit, Liebercrat crazy.
Fuck her with a pitchfork.
Like Lamont, Obama is a light-weight candidate of the neo-liberal, Dean/Brazile/MoveOn.org wing of the Party. A fair number of his foot-soldiers and DNC insiders are willing to say and do anything to win, and this includes selectively disenfranchising voters. Like the Young Republicans chanting “Sore Loserman” in Broward County, the neo-liberals are intoxicated on their will to power.
It is likely that the hawkish, salt-of-the-earth John McCain will crush Obama. And after the RBC’s delegate stealing (perhaps the worst of the many offenses to occur during this campaign), many Democrats, disgusted with our Party’s undemocratic ways, will vote to help McCain do just that.
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did anyone hear McCain’s speech on Iran yesterday?
it was brilliant! and the best part was the crazy dude from Iran made some more crazy statements about wiping out israel…
Everybody… republicans, iranian dictators etc etc makes Obama look like an idiot…
good grief…
I would have no problem voting for McCain if Hillary is robbed of the nomination…
He really is the 2nd best person for the job after Hillary.
Plan A: Hillary
Plan B: McCain
Anyone But Obama
The Democratic party that cried about needing to count every vote in Florida in 2000, became the party of toss out enough votes to get the result they want in Florida in 2008. If Florida’s votes for Hillary aren’t going to count, why even bother of feigning to include them?
Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan. Despite this – they’re going to give him half of the Michigan delegates anyway. It is Affirmative Action in progress. What a big middle finger to that state too.
The irony is at so many levels. The reason that these delegates were thrown out to begin with is that these states dared to defy the Democrat party elites by holding their primaries too early. The little guy doesn’t matter to the oligarchy of rulers. Of course this was obvious when the rulers demanded to know who had their nomination hours after the polls closed on Super Tuesday. Sure the other half of the states who hadn’t voted will have their ballots counted: it just wouldn’t matter.
So why include half the votes of Florida and Michigan? Answer: they want Clinton’s supporters to leave her.
There is no way the Clinton supporters are going to drop their candidate of choice any more than the Obama supporters are going to drop their messiah. Counting only half the vote will be seen for what it really is: giving Obama the nomination.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!
I am frightened by how few Americans seem to have any understanding of or respect for objective principles. Most of us manage to justify any actions if it furthers our goals, even if it sets a terriblc precedent. I used to think this was much more of a Republican problem, but clearly I was wrong.
Our democracy is based on principles. How is it going to survive if our citizens are incapable of upholding them, even if it goes against their own self interest?
AWESOME comment!
Voting rights are more important than ANY other in a democracy, because if the people lose them, the people lose any control they had over their government. Once that happens, all the other rights are easily taken away.
Obama is truly looking more and more like a fascist every day.
I was in the RBC meeting. I stood up after the Michigan decision and shouted at them that they had killed the Democratic party. People may say I “disrupted” the meeting, but I believe our Democracy is under assault right now, and if people don’t stand up against the immoral “RULZ” like people like Rosa Parks did, we WILL have fascism in America.
If they TRY and call Obama the nominee before Denver, we have to make it well known he is “illegitimate”.
mawm – thanks for being at the RBC meeting. I agree with you – we have to fight this travesty all the way.
“If they TRY and call Obama the nominee before Denver, we have to make it well known he is “illegitimate”.”
Would that make barky the “Bastard Nominee”?
Funny!!
Oh my gosh! It was YOU who yelled that last line? Can you say “hero for American democracy”!!!
Your comments were so widely reported on by dozens of news outlets everywhere who covered the RBC meeting. Thank goodness for you or else we really would not have had a voice at all. Thanks for standing up for America!
Can you guys here at NoQuarter comment on some of the videos of the protest that have gone up on YouTube. It would be nice to bump them up on popularity.
Here are some links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyPqcYb4wbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9eElt7pHEE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfcHU9U0KgU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesyhrRYtB0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lpg6TRW9qc
Thank you so much for your on-the-scene reports of the events at the DNC meeting. You did a wonderful job!
If you are the woman from the you tube video standing up to them jerks..then I salute you!!!
You were absolutely great!!! I wish I could be more like you. You told them off and you told them good!!I actually had tears in my my eyes watching and listening!!Great job to someone who really does care!!!!
No that wasn’t me. She was great, though. I am male. I was in the front to the left of the committee. I was the only Clinton supporter in the middle of a sea of Obamabots. They were completely nasty and smug, as if they had gotten away with something they thought we couldn’t do anything about.
It is my mission to make sure those smug smirks are wiped off their faces by August.
Mawn,
Followed your live blog on Sat. and can’t thank you enough.
No matter what happens, Obama can never be legitimate. The DNC made sure of that when they “gave” him 4 of Senator Clinton’s delegates. That was not within their rights or the rules.
After that bit of corruption the DNC has lost all credibility and the Obama campaign and supporters and surrogates are simply as corrupt as any Republican and thus do not deserve our loyalty and should never get our vote.
Unless you think stealing votes is fine and dandy. In which case you don’t believe in Democracy anyway so have at it.
Obamacrats don’t care about the “party”. They care about Obama. Period. And evidently so does the DNC
You did great Mawm! I saw you speaking out on the youtube video…it was a perfect blast of righteous indignance directed at those DNC dupes.
I also was at the rally and saw what was happening. This is truley stolen election if Hussen Obama becomes the nominee. I sure hope the superdelegate come to their senses and stop media picking our nominee! PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN BY THEIR VOTES, HILLARY CLINTON IF OUR NOMINEE.
I copied your comment and sent it in an email to the superdelegates from my State. I plagerized you.
Obama — IF the twit steals the nomination — he will NOT win in November.
Good article Bud — and yes I remember clearly what happened 1n 2000 as we waited for the bush gang to pull another trick out of the bag of dirty tricks.
Donna racist Brazile and Howie Dean — two of the biggest all time losers in the history of American politics!
I never could understand what people saw in Howie Dean — I saw him as a self important JERK.
Can I change the channel now? This soap opera is getting really strange. There have been too many role reversals — it’s hard to keep track of the good guys and bad guys anymore.
An excellent effort, Bud. We should have known this was coming when they doused Liebermann in 06. We can see from the results how well that turned out. Just where is Ned Lamont these days? Last time I checked he wasn’t in the senate.
Afetr they way she has been treated if I am Hillary, I wait and see how all this turns out, go to Leibermann and work out a deal and declare herself and independent. With the ay things look, they may be able to control the balance of the Senate. That would be a real hoot!
Last I heard — dummie Lamont endorsed snObama.
Lieberman is an honorary neo-con — and he also happens to be another one of snObama’s mentors.
Ironic that, back in 2006, Obama endorsed his mentor Lieberman, over Ned Lamont. Poor, feckless Ned…I saw one of his then-election ads the other day and was reminded of how lacking in charisma he is. The fact that he’s endorsed Obama just indicates that he’s also lacking in intellectual fortitude.
Lieberman is the only true DINO (Democrat in Name Only). HRC should have no association with that Republican in Drag.
He is not allowed to join the Republicans because he’s Jewish. [/scarcasm]
Anymore bombshells that will bury Obama once and for all slated for 9:00 a.m. on this website today, or is that just a weekly non-event? LOL
Seriously, I wonder what time Hillary will concede. I heard Peter Paul was throwing her a going away party.
The REAL concession—the one that matters—will come in November.
Say hello to President John McCain.
The REAL concession—the one that matters—will come in November.
Say hello to President John McCain.
Such vile, childish comments while inane and vapid, actually result in nothing.
They certainly do not have any impact on Hillary Clinton supporters. We are way past such perniciousness and inured to such.
They do not anger us, we maxed out in that respect long ago. They do not sway us, we are immovable.
You are basically entertainment with a touch of pathos.
As to your concession question, Hillary could have conceded months ago and it would not have made Obama electable. He never was, except in your ephemeral dreams.
“Bitter” boy is just a petulant child who likes to toss little stink bombs every now and then, hoping for a rise. He epitomizes the essential Obamabrat.
Earlier, posing as a Hillary supporter, “Bitter” made ridiculous and disgusting homophobic “attacks” directed at Obama and his cohorts–a risable attempt at making No Quarter look bad.
Track his IP and ban him.
Isn’t it amazing how many blogcloggers just can’t wait to comment on a “non-event”? Some even have faux transcripts of the “non-event. So repudiating something that isn’t yet available or is nonexistent is a strategy? Or will Obama now decide to distance himself from his mouthy wife as he has from his church and his mentor?
Maybe you should have been listening to what Bob Beckel said this morning. You might not be quite so sarcastic. If what he said is true, it sounds as if Larry was right all along.
What did he say (I live in a TV-free zone)?
I tuned into the very end of that conversation and all I heard was the female host ask Beckel “Is this worse than Michelle’s thesis?” Beckel insinuated it was much, much worse. He also said if it was a Republican, he’d tell them what it is.
That was at 5:30 am CT and the said he would be back on in 2 hours, so that’s 7:30 CT (my time zone). He should be back on in 30 minutes.
Did Beckel say anything else or was his appearance this morning just a tease for the bomb he’s going to drop? Or is he even going to tell us? Is he keeping it to himself?
He was on Fox
I “love” those GOP “tough guys” in the picture. I get the impression if any old-fashioned union Democrats had been present to confront them, the yuppie-scum Rethugs would have broken and run.
And they are being rewarded for their thuggery. One of them, Gary B. Malphrus (number 2 in the above picture), was appointed as an Immigration Judge in March of 2005, with absolutely no immigration law experience. He was given an immediate reward in 2001, being appointed as Associate Director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, where his responsibilities related to matters involving crime and sentencing, law enforcement, and homeland security. Within the last few days, he was elevated again by Attorney General Mukasey to serve as a Board Member on the Board of Immigration Appeals. I guess that he learned all about immigration law in 3 years, and was ready to be elevated to that appellate administrative tribunal.
Don’t think for one second that the Obama thugs won’t also be “rewarded for what they have done.”
Just imagine Al Sharpton in the White House once a week.
and Racist Rev. Wright, Farrakhan and Father Pfleger leading the prayer services. G-d help us.
yes God BLESS America and please God PROTECT America from these thugs.
I guess that he learned all about immigration law in 3 years, and was ready to be elevated to that appellate administrative tribunal.
Kind of like the way Obama has learned all about the U.S. government in three years and is ready to be President?
I can attest to that. My dad was a Union guy. Steel Workers Union. TOUGH, TOUGH bunch of guys!
The DNC wants us to vote for Obama but I say NO NO NO
Obama said he can get her votes but she can’t get his I say NO NO NO
The party elders want us to line up and vote for Obama I won’t GO GO GO.
Sing along with me
Vote for Obama we all say NO NO NO.
Was once a democrat but i won’t go back
They want us to vote for Obama we say NO NO NO
I missed it. Was too busy watching more early morning superdelegates come Obama’s way. Did he produce a tape??!!! Oh, never mind then.
Even if he did, most Americans wouldn’t be bothered by something as silly as Michelle Obama saying “whitey.” What a simultaneously LOL/sad moment for you all. Actually clinging to Hannity and Fox to deliver a deadly blow to our next president in the form of a tape where his wife says “whitey.” I guess we’ll need to lynch George Jefferson next. ROFLMFAO!!!!
Seriously, that concession, what time?
Barky is conceeding? Great! What time?
Obama isn’t fit to wash George Jefferson’s feet. At least, George was honest.
SD endorsements mean jack shit until they cast their votes in August at the convention. Damn those facts really do get in the way, don’t they?
And you honestly believe that white, bitter, gun clinging, religious clinging, typical white people aren’t going to be INCENSED at being called “WHITEY” by a possible FIRST LADY? Are fucking NUTS? Of course you are!
You haven’t been in politics very long have you bitter? It’s lonnng way to August. Just saying. Keep your shoulder to that closet door, now, y’hear?
And yeah, whitey would just ignore michelle calling him whitey. Yup. If you think so, then you aren’t whitey. Whitey would RUN to the polls after that one.
We’ll be back tomorrow to see if you guys eat crow , or if you spin even further out of the known universe.
Very insightful, well written work. I enjoyed this immensely. We have so much work to do. It is imperative that we do not allow this UnDemocratic Party to win in November.
Anyone want to buy the “Hillary conceded and all I got left with was Bitterness ” T-Shirt?
or how about a “I am not racist but no Nigga is getting into the Whitehouse” T-Shirt?
or a “It takes an Ivy educated ex-first lady to truly understand us dumb folks” T-Shirt?
I was thinking more like “President Hillary says Barky Who?”
How about “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud to vote Republican”!
How about “See Ben. Ben is 35 and lives with his parents. See Ben type on the computer. See Ben insult people for the fun of it. See, Ben has no life. Let’s feel sorry for Ben.”?
Or this one: “See Ben. He has no idea that his gloating and his rudeness will drive voters away from Obama, or that he’s actually HELPING John McCain. Ben is too stupid to see his own consequences.”
BHO and his merry band of DNC thieves stole Hillary’s votes and gave the concept of Democracy the middle finger.
How about a T-Shirt that says –”No Affirmative Action in the general”.
You’ll come to understand that one, by and by.
I was there in Washington DC for counting of votes of M and F. At the end it turned out to be discounting of votes, 50% plus 4. Woe! I can’t describe the emotion I felt, the pain and disgust everybody went through. Damn! I want to vomit! The party that I supported through and through turned to ashes, it’s gone….
Please Hillary, you’re now the beacon of democracy. Please don’t tell me the unthinkable….I can’t. There is no rule that you can’t built another party. And how can you work to a party that disown you, and top of that punish you by awarding 4 delegates to him. Unbelievable.
Unfortunately, that is precisely what I’ve come to expect for the “New democratic Party”. I understand Hillary’s party loyalty after all she and Bill have put into it, trying to change things for the better, but it may be time to call it a loss and start from scratch. I believe the democrat and Republican brands have gone the way of New Coke, and it is time to go back to the original recipe or come up with something new. America is ripe for it (exactly what Axelrod has been trying to exploit), and the time is now. This might be the only election ion our lifetimes that an independent candidate can win a Presidential election.
I agree the time is right. But Hillary won’t do it. And the DNC knows this and is using this fact against her.
Uh No: You and the Obamatons in the DNC need to pull your heads out of your asses, read the DNC’s rules and get a clue. They are actually trying to do what a few months ago was thought to be impossible. Give the Republicans a 3rd term in the White House. What the RBC did was a clear violation of several of their own rules, so if Hillary takes it to the accreditation committee she has a VERY strong case.
1)The DNC rules required an investigation into why the states moved their primaries. There was no investigation!
2)As Archangel says the rules do NOT give the RBC the option to give any candidate the delegates for uncommitted! Uncommitted is a certified vote by their rules and according to those rules, those uncommitted delegates must go to the convention as uncommitted delegates!
This accounts to a political mugging.
Even slaves were given 3/5 of a designation in determining congressional representation, apparently FL and MI voters represent even less as human beings.
Arlen Specter’s been pretty useless these past years, but he’s a fairly sharp lawyer when he puts his mind to it. And I read yesterday that he–HE!–is pondering a formal look-see into the Dean/Brazile atrocity. Because, you know, primaries are run by state governments and are publicly financed; they’re not just a private parties where the hosts can pull any bullshit that tickles their fancy.
Regardless of the outcome of Specter’s latest brain storm, it’s pretty sad when a Republican is the best hope for defending Democratic voters against their own party.
What did Bob Beckel say?
Basically he said he has heard from several places about the tape just as Larry says. He said he doesn’t normally believe these things but it is coming from people that make him believe it may be true. Said it was much bigger than the thesis statement she made. He said it was big.
Hear that, Bitter, you smug pissant? Just askin’.
Ya sure now bitter?
I think many white folks will be offended, especially when she is sitting next to her friend Louis Farrakhan.
And Beckel looked nauseous when he said it. And the woman Friend had her mouth hanging open waiting for the answer. It was priceless.
Karl Rove’s comment last night on Hannity & Colmes summed up the taking away of Hillary’s delegates in Michigan candidly and brilliantly. He said, “He [Obama] got what he wanted and then it was like he had to poke her in the eyes, and it wasn’t necessary.” Oh, but Obama’s the unity pony, and we’re just supposed to forget everything and jump on for the ride.
To quote another Republican, “Not going to do it. It wouldn’t be prudent.”
But maybe that’s how they do things in Kenya, his homeland.
No, that is exactly how Rove does it here. I truly believe Rove is masterminding this campaign. Axelrod is his proxy. No proof. It has all the “distinguishing features” of a Rove operation. It has been very thoroughly planned. And who benefits?
it has all the elements of the Rove MO and style.
the poke in the eye is almost a Rove autograph.
Remind me. . . didn’t Ickes vote FOR stripping Michigan & Florida of ALL of their delegates?!?!?!
Didn’t Hillary say that Michigan “wasn’t going to count for anything”?
And how can one simultaneously talk about ‘disenfranchising’ the voters in states which DISOBEYED the rules while NOT COUNTING caucus states which DID follow the rules in a manufactured ‘popular vote’ tally? Counting the caucus states, Obama is clearly ahead in popular vote, but the primaries are not set up to be about popular vote, but delegates. And who’s ahead in delegates? And since when is the person who’s ahead in EVERY MEASURE “stealing” an election???
BTW, if you guys are anxious for Michelle’s ‘Whitey’ tape, did you hear that there’s a NEW TAPE SHOWING AN ALIEN IN COLORADO???? And I hear that in it he is RAILING against “HUMANY”!!!
The caucus states followed the rules? That’s rich. Tell it to all the people in those states who were not allowed to attend due to scheduling or physical limitations, or those who watched in horror as Chicago thugs pushed them around and grabbed official paperwork out of designated workers hands.
Besides, even the staunchest of ‘Bots in the MSM admit that you can’t count the actual popular vote in a caucus state – there’s NO WRITTEN RECORD, just the questionable tally of a bunch of screaming. Texas is the proof for that – Clinton whooped Barky in the written (legal) Primary, but thugs and bullies STOLE the votes in the highly illegal caucuses.
BTW – Would you guys please get it straight? Clinton was pushing for FL and MI to be counter in January, before the DNC and MSM had crammed Barky so far down the public’s throats that we couldn’t even produce a gag reflex anymore.
Go Troll somewhere else; you’re not converting anyone here so save your breath for November – you’re gonna need it!
Sorry – that should be “counted” in January
she signed a statement SUPPORTING the decision,; Ickes, McAuliff, et all made public statements supporting the DNC. You have difficulty facing reality.
Ned, you posted this same thing yesterday verbatim. No one cared what you had to say yesterday and still don’t. You’d better get off the computer now. The school bus is going to leave you.
Ned is our resident cut-and-paster.
He can’t write a paragraph with any of his own original thoughts.
Obama LOVES people like Ned.
Just skip on by and don’t even read him.
Ned, like most blogcloggers, think everyone is as dim and uninformed as they are. Thus they are still repeating the disproved April talking points when people have long since been made aware that said talking points were untrue.
But honestly, isn’t long-winded and dim-witted buffoon like Ned a tedious combination?
This is the type of CHANGE Bwack Oblahma is going to bring. Steal your opponents votes and delegates.
The DNC didn’t even blink an eye and let him do it. It’s no wonder they call my former party the DemocRATS. They eat their own.
It’s the Chicago way, after all.
Just imagine the Chicago Democratic machine getting their hands on federal minority set-aside money, and how much Obama will owe them for their support.
Yeah, with Oblahma who needs the dead to vote when you can rob and steal votes from your opponent.
Nah, he doesn’t need to steal votes, that’s what the DNC is for.
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Does anyone else feel like we’ve crossed over into Munchkinland? We were so distracted by the twister in Iraq that we didn’t notice where we’d landed, and now we’re being led by the Lullaby League. But just like Dorothy and company, we have to realize that the abilty to go back is (and always has been) within our own power. We just need to wake up from the bizarre dream.
Funny how the Obamabots hate Lieberman so much – and yet, do they know that Obama actually campaigned for Lieberman against Lamont in Connecticut?
Just as how they easily dismiss Obama’s campaigning for Odinga in Kenya before Odinga lost the election and started his supporters on a massive genocide with machetes.
Or how Obama admitted he did not know how he would vote on the war resolution if he had actually been in the Senate at the time? Or his own statement of how he didn’t disagree with Bush’s stance on the war? Or how he voted for every war appropriations bill since?
And so the fairytale of Obama continues…
Thank goodness for youtube and the eternal video footage of Obama making these statements and performing these actions. Those of us of clear mind and sound judgment are not so easily fooled.
Most of you people are absolutely nuts.
As opposed to the gutternipe trash at Daily Kos?
Get a grip, hot shot.
Ralphie is correct, you people need to consult with a mental health professional.
I’ve read your posts, rob.
You need to look into your OWN soul, darlin.
Now, run and play at the Great Orange. It’s more your “level.”
Could you give us the name and phone number of the one [mental health professional] that you visit?
Imo you folks need an entire team of the finest Swedish psychiatrists, a run of the mill practitioner won’t do.
If you’re looking for us to take some of your meds, Rob, forget it!
Sorry to see that NQ has been assigned the “B” list blogcloggers like Rob and “Ralphie”. But all in all people that spend all their time scurrying over to a blog that supports another candidate in order to harass and insult the people there would never make an “A” list anyway. Unless it was an A$$hold list in which case Rob definitely qualifies. Perhaps lil “Ralphie” not so much. Maybe when he grows up.
Imo you folks need an entire team of the finest Swedish psychiatrists, a run of the mill practitioner won’t do.
Oh, you know about those? Must be from personal experience, but you need to get a refund. I don’t think they helped you.
Quite sure that I’m not concerned with the opinion of anyone named “Ralphie”. Maybe when he grows up.
And this Dem behaviour is progressive??? That has been my question to the manic profressives on dkos especially since the primary started. One of the mantras over there was ‘If we want to win we HAVE to act like Republicans with bully tactics, lies, spin and all the rest of the bullshit that America and the world has had to deal with since Bush came into office. Seeing so many Democrats now acting that way has so turned me off from both parties.
Hillary was the real progressive candidate and the blinded power of the dkos followers and others couldn’t and refused to see the real truth.
Dishonesty, Bully meanspirited pundits and now many Dems is now the norm. What’s up is now down etc., etc.,
Pitiful absolutely pitiful.
Yes. They DO sound and act like the little wingnut Bush supporters in 2000, don’t they?
MANY MANY Americans will counter-react to them, and reject the candidate they support.
They may not argue on websites or blogs, but they’ll quietly make a very firm statement of disgust in November.
And those rabid Obama bloggers will never see it coming.
Excellent point, Mary. It’s the people that don’t blog Obama needs to worry about (you know – those people with jobs that require actual labor, families that don’t support them, and actual lives).
The disenfranchised “bitter” people will come out against Obama in droves in November (should he make it that far).
Absolutely.
And the Republican voters who didn’t really care about McCain, after seeing all the Obama preacher tapes……
THEY’LL come out in droves.
Heckuva job, Howie.
The people who don’t read kos are the same type of democrats who ditched mcgovern and dukakis. They are called MODERATES and the MAJORITY of the party is comprised of them. They will never accept a left wing nutball with whack jobs for friends as president of the USA. They will never accept radicals running America. That’s why we have only elected 2 democratic presidents in 40 years. The radicals never learn. They are the reason we can’t elect presidents, because they give us the same package over and over again, force them down our throats with their loud mouths and threats. The silent moderate MAJORITY will remind them they will have none of their Marxist crap. Again. They will do their job again in November.
Raising my hand. I’ve never read Kos or (In a)Huff, so yeah, I’m one of those average, middle-class Americans who will dump Obama the same way my parents dumped McGovern.
And they will never accept a corrupt DNC political arm that blatantly steals votes from one candidate and gives them to another. That corrupts the concept of Democracy.
I was going to vote in Hillary in the GE if Obama won the nomination. After the stunt that the DNC pulled last weekend, I have now decided to vote for McCain as he is the lesser of two evils.
write-in, not vote in.
because I’ve seen the Obot response to the “stolen delegate” accusation, allow me to give you the CORRECT story.
1) the “fair reflection” rule (found in both the bylaws and the charter) is about counting the VOTES THAT WERE CAST AS THEY WERE CAST…here is the wording from the bylaws Rule 13A
It is the word “expressed” that gives the provision its meaning. The bylaws then go to considerable length to expain how “fair reflection” should be achieved…. a whole section talks about how delegates should be divvied up based on the RESULTS of the primary/caucuses.
So if anyone tells you that ‘fair reflection’ means ‘voter preference’ you know they are full of shit. Its about an accurate reflection of votes AS CAST.
(the ‘write in’ issue would be valid here — voter ERRIR should not preclude their vote from being counted. But based on the testimony, 30,000 write in voters were cast — that is 5% of the 600,000 valid votes counted. There is MINIMUM threshold of 15% of votes csst to make you eligible for a delegate, so there is insufficient write in votes to switch a single delegate.)
2) This is NOT what Michigan suggested. The “Michigan compromise” was based on FULL VOTES being given to each candidate. Under that scenario, Clinton would have maintained a 10 delegatee lead coming out of Michigan. Cutting the voting strength in half and then re-allocating delegates cuts her lead to 5.
The Michigan compromise was acceptable to the Clinton campaign PROVIDED that Florida’s delegation was seated at full strength as well — and it would have been impossible for the RBC to treat Michigan voters better than Florida voters.
Finally, the Michigan compromise could have been achieved WITHIN THE RULES. All it required was an agreement between the campaigns that Clinton would not compete for “uncommitted” delegate votes, and would submit the names of 4 Obama supporters as eligible to serve as part of her delegation. The RBC was required under the rules to seat Michigan as voted — ONLY the agreement of the candidates themselves could accomplish the compromise.
3) The vote was invalid. The RBC is required to hold all of its meetings in public, and no votes can be held in secret. An agenda was announced in the morning that was never followed in the afternoon session — and there was not vote to change the agenda. Two Challenges were offered, but the resolutions were limited to three — and no public vote was taken regarding the limits on resolutions. Debate was limited to 10 minutes by the co-chairs, and no vote was taken on limitation of debate.
A one hour lunch period was scheduled — the PUBLIC was told to return by the co-chairs in one hour, and they did so. NEITHER OF THE CO-CHAIRS, NOR THE PARTY SECRETARY, nor ANY MEMBER returned to the meeting AS THEY HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO AT THE END OF THE MORNING SESSION…. and according to everyone (including a personal conversation I had with Alice Germond) BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE CONTINUED TO BE DISCUSSED DURING THE TWO HOUR PERIOD when the meeting was supposed to be public, but was held behind closed doors.
If a deal had been struck during the one-hour lunch period, that would have been ‘legitimate’ — there is no prohibition on memebers discussing business during their free time. But the TWO HOUR MEETING that occurred after the scheduled lunch period was “illegal” under the charter of the Democratic Party. It could ONLY have occurred had a vote for a recess been taken — and ALL votes have to be made IN PUBLIC.
Thanks Paul – very informative and right on the money!
I wish someone would have the balls in the media to call this primary election what it actually is.
Affirmative Action
If snObama weren’t black, he would’ve been laughed off the stage months ago. His sick twisted racist wife would’ve been shown the proverbial door. But noooo…it’s cuz she is BLACK that she gets away with her gutter talk and America hatred.
Now Oblahma steals votes and delegates from Hillary. Can we say AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. This is NO different than a black person trying to get into a University over a white person and they are awarded EXTRA POINTS ON THEIR EXAMS. Points they didn’t EARN.
Barack Obama = Affirmative Action Candidate.
Whats your excuse for spewing out viscous nonsense? 50, single, in a poor paid job and its all because men dont “get you”?
You wish! Your fat pimply arse couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a fistfull of Jacksons.
You wish! Your fat pimply arse couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a fistfull of Jacksons.
Oh, sweet J, you made my day. I’m still laughing at this one.
Grow up, Ben. Childish personal attacks will NOT convince anyone to vote for Obama.
Best try something else.
If Ben were simply ignored he would shrivel up like a used condom.
He is more insecure than an attention deprived child.
Actually, “Ben” doesn’t even exist, so let’s not waste time with Obama-spam.
Ben you little pisspot, I could fit your house inside my house. Many of us recognize you pisspots. We are supporting you while you pretend to be “upscale” on our money. Right, Ben? Now run along and get a few more degrees and you will catch up to me. I’m all set. Now you go get all set. Guess what I learned along the way, pisspot? All my education wasn’t worth shit ten years down the road. What mattered is what I had done. Have you done anything yet, pisspot? You know what else I learned, pisspot? I learned that people who had experience and actual achievement were worth a whole lot more than some guy with a pissant degree. I learned that all my college didn’t make me as smart as all my experience made me. Some of the smartest people I learned from had no college at all. Some of the dumbest shits were little pissants fresh out of some mediocre school thinking the company didn’t run till they got there. They were fodder.
Hint: Nobody plans to hire you as Lord of their company on your little BS degree. It’s equivalent to a High School education these days. It barely even gets you in a door. Trust me on this. So go take out the garbage and go to work. Your parents are sick of supporting you. I know dozens of “you”.
You people are mentally ill.
Poor Rob. He just wanders the board, posting the same tripe over and over, with nothing intelligent or factual to say.
Are these the best trolls Obama can find?
…with nothing intelligent or factual to say.
Wouldn’t this require that he had intelligence to begin with—not to mention facts?
Since I’m originally from Connecticut, I’ve been thinking about the Lamont/Lieberman contest throughout the entire primary process. I truly feel there is a chance (I haven’t studied the demographics, so it’s just a “gut” feeling based on being a long term resident of the state), that if Obama becomes the nominee, he could lose Connecticut to McCain (especially with Lieberman campaigning for him).
My guess is that many voters are more comfortable somewhere in the middle (moderate range, titling slightly left or right), value experience and feel more comfortable with candidates they are familiar with. Lamont’s anti-war stance wasn’t enough to get him elected, and I highly doubt if Obama’s anti-war speech will be enough to get him elected either.
Obama is soooo bad – Republicans are seriously formulating plans on putting CALIFORNIA into play! Let alone Connecticut! It’s ridiculous! Not to mention, with the Terminator governor supporting McCain and being best-buds with him, looks like they may very well succeed. Never underestimate the power of movie stardom – Schwarzenegger is an incredible campaigner. Not to mention the huge Latino vote that will definitely go for McCain in CA if it’s against Obama, enough to swing the entire state red.
Don’t rule out Obama losing NY, either. Besides it being Senator Clinton’s “home” state, much of the state outside NYC is highly conservative and afraid of Obama. Add to that the scars of 9-11 and Obama’s Hamas support, and you have a recipe for McCain here (although it would be much stronger for Clinton). Not to mention that most New Yorker’s don’t take too kindly to being pushed around and told how to vote.
The Clintons are the only Democrats that have taken the Upstate vote in quite some time.
The canary in the coal mine is Massachusetts.
Even with the Kerry and Kennedy machines behind him, Obama LOST that state in the primaries.
And Massachusetts is FULL of liberal Democratic voters.
McCain is quite competitive in Massachusetts.
And that speaks volumes about November.
After their taste of Obama’s clone, Patrick.
MA will not soon vote for another AA/Obama in high position anytime soon.
Not because of race, because of failure to perform, and the fact that Patrick and Obama are hope and change bookends.
Probably because the Massachusetts people saw all this bullshit before already with their ineffective and unready Governor Deval Patrick of “hope and change”, same speeches as Obama, and Axelrod fame.
“Fool me once, shame on you – Obama/Axelrod can’t fool me again.”
–the great people of MA
Oh noes. No Poperah for Oblahma to save the day in CA?
You are correct. I work in Stamford. Obama will not win CT. No way.
This is just another attempt at trying to turn the democratic party into a socialist party. All the indicaters are there. Obama’s association with far left radicals. Dean was a key note speaker for the Party of European Socialists. Even the president of PES (Party of European Socialist) praised Howard Dean for introducing the Socialist Party to “A NEW FORM OF CAMPAIGNING”.
http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=4dyjnc
and here
http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=42bgbs
Dr Diamond is right. Obama and his campaign have came from a mix of far left radicals, communists, SDSes, even international thugs, and the Chicago combine. This guy makes even GW Bush look like Mr Clean.
Basic bottom line is that you can’t steal the wotes of your opponent and expect the people to support a corrupt regime. And that’s exactly what the DNC has become, a corrupt arm of the political apparatus run by Obamaphiles who will cheat, steal and lie to win.
I wasn’t a big supporter of Lieberman, but I will tell you these nutroots as I call them shot themselves in the ass by forcing him out of the Democratic Party.
I really have come to the conclusion these people who are hijacking the Democratic Party aren’t Democrats at all.
Hijacking is the perfect description for what’s happening to Democrats. The latte liberals and their African American friends should form their own party.
Bud, good post as always. I am appalled, along with everyone else that they can just randomly decide to assign votes earned by another candidate to their chosen nominee! All of the news reports talked about what a great job Obama did of “compromising” in this situation. Easy to “compromise” when you are being given votes and delegates you didn’t earn. This process has been such a farce. I have no problem with a fair race and with accepting if I lose that race but this presidential race between Obama and Hillary has not been fair from the beginning with the Democratic party deciding early on that Obama would be their dream nominee. It is disappointing, sad, desenfranchising and plain wrong! I will not be a “loyal” Democrat and vote for their messiah and have the will of the politicians, not the people shoved down my throat.
This lifelong registered Democrat will _NEVER_ vote for the Messiah from Kenya.
Who’s the real uniter/healer of this nation and its inter-partisan and intra-partisan woes? If Hillary is not the DNC’s superdelgate choice as nominee, would McCain consider Hillary on his ticket? Would Hillary accept?
Hillay supporters: this amazing video is Terry on Morning Joe yesterday.
Susan or Larry: You might want to embed this video and start a thread!
Terry explains what the campaign will be doing this week and you will like it!
One of the members of the RBC bragging during the meeting that they told voters in the states being sanctioned that their votes would not count led me to believe the some members of the RBC were willing to brake the rules early on. The process of counting votes and certifying the primary election is not up to the RBC, but rather it is up to the laws of the individual states. The RBC rules only govern how delegates are selected from the votes, not if the voters do or do not count. The RBC had no right at all to tell anyone their vote would not count.
Aside from not applying the ‘fair reflection’ rule, it appears to me some members of the RBC were complicit in attempting to talk people into not voting in the first place.
But, of course, it was not just the RBC doing this. MSM, Kerry, Obama, and many other Obama supporters were also complicit in attempting to talk people into not voting in Florida and Michigan.
Obama was The One, The Only One, The Chosen One from the very beginning. The whole thing is rigged. That’s why Edwards smelled it, realized he had no chance, and dropped out. Hillary was the only person who was gutsy and stubborn enough to stay in.
And matched ‘em at every Raise, after a pretty big Ante to get into the game.
What the DNC’s RBC did on Saturday is a direct danger to our country in the same that the dictatorial aspirations of bush have been. Obama must be defeated in November if he is the nominee to stop this insanity. What they did is what the populations of China, Iraq, Iran, Russia would expect. THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED! My husband and I have left the Democratic Party as of yesterday and we will be voting for McCain, this is the only way the Democratic Elites will understand they are NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE and this corruption MUST BE STOPPED.
The Obama cult must be stopped. Half of the Democratic party won’t be voting for him, that’s for sure.
Brilliant timing Bud White. I watched “Count the Vote” last night. I was struck by the similarities of this current situation as well To Bush v gore.
I started reading the dissenting opinion and ran across number of quotes by Dem’s back then who decried the courts decision and who have made 180 statements now. All Obama supporters and all hypocrites.
Well done.
I can only speak for myself, but I will be damned if I will give this election to these neo-liberal facists, politically corrupt, morally corrupt, bags of …….
I feel I have been stripped of my freedom, and our democracy is in serious jeapardy with Donna Brazile and Howard Dean’s New Coalition.
The only hope we have to derail this left radical group is at the polls in November. But, honestly, I don’t trust that now. Axelrod and Obama are masterminds at cheating and stealing votes.
OMG – we are in serious trouble in this country
Are you people really Democrats? The stuff I read here is pure insanity. I hope you come to your senses before November. For those of you thinking about voting for McCain – who, if you haven’t forgotten, is a hard conservative and a pretty reliable member of the GOP, contrary to popular myth – I want you to think about one thing…actually 2 – two likely SCOTUS vacancies to filled. If you are fine with McCain becoming president and filling those spots with guys like Alito and Roberts, then go ahead and vote for McCain. But don’t ever call yourself Democrats.
If you have have support Obama, please don’t call yourself a Democrat. Real Democrats believe in fair elections, not caucus thuggery. You certainly have a right to your opinions but be honest and call yourself a Marxist or a militant Green.
What does OG stand for in OGLiberal? Old Gangster? Seems appropriate.
I think the law is going to come up again regarding the seating of the Michigan delegates. I don’t think the DNC has jurisdiction over them. We have a category you vote for in Wa called “uncommitted”. Nobody can claim those delegates for themself, nobody can assign them to a candidate. Those delegates are uncommitted until the convention at which point they either remain uncommitted or they endorse somebody.
I seem to remember that Michigan also had the same election rules regarding uncommitted delegates.
This could get interesting, because it really is about state’s rights. States run their own elections, they make their rules. A higher court might be able to over rule them, but I don’t think the DNC has any authority or legal standing to assign uncommitted delegates to a particular candidate.
Obama’s supporters on the DNC refused a proposal to at least not take the 4 delegates from Hillary.
The news of what went on during the lunch break is now out. See RCP article for details.
Hillary’s team suggested giving Obama all the uncommitted but leaving hers alone.
No dice.
They really, really were just that stupid.
OGLiberal
We are the REAL democrats – not the new coalition who are lying and cheating there way to the nomination.
You belong to the NEW COALITION = UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY
Go ahead and support your Undemocratic Party nominee Obama
Here! Here Judy! Most of the Obamabots are not the real Democrats but have to hide behind that mantra..
Talk about the D party being hijacked- But lets not forget Rove’s hand and Operation Chaos as part of this hijacking. Is there any recourse because I can’t vote for a republican either.
OGLiberal,
I think it’s a lost cause. You have a site seething with the kind of hatreds — much of them racist — one usually associates with Wingtard Republicans, born of the same proud ignorance regarding, among other things, the history of their own political party.
But maybe it’s not their party. Setting aside the healthy number who are nothing more than GOP trolls, there seems to be a small group of bitter-enders whose threats we should simply accept.
By all means, let them go. The party will be better off without them.
You can simply shorten your last remark, Harley to:
“The party will be without them”!
“Yes it will!”
Try winning without us. Obama is unelectable.
Before you all jump all over for me for my comments, please keep in mind that I am a moderate conservative who will probably be voting for McCain in November. However, I think it is perplexing that for people that seem to espouse the ideals of democracy, I only see hypocracy, ignorance, and downright bitterness within the comments on this blog.
First of all, to even begin comparing the RBC Meeting / decision with the 2000 election is starting on a false premise. THe RBC Committee was about how to seat renegade delegates while the 2000 case was about literally throwing away ballots and turning people away, and overturning the will of the people in a general election. THe rules of the U.S. Constitution apply in a general election, but the rules of the DNC apply in a primary. So this is not a case of civil rights, it is simply a process question that is up to the DNC RBC committee. In my mind that is a fairly easy concept to understand.
Representatives from both the Clinton and Obama camp voted for the Michigan compromise. The rationale behind the allocation was to offer ‘fair reflection’. Do you honestly think that giving delegates to Hillary (after the DNC claimed none would count) and giving zero to Obama is ‘fair reflection’? Over 30,000 people wrote in for Barack, not to mention the uncommitted ballots.
In my opinion, Michigan broke the rules and should have recieved zero delegates, but I understand the realities of the political situation. I think both of the decisions did represent a ‘fair’ reflection. You can moan and groan all you want, but arguing that this is a civil rights case is just pure ignorance of American voting history and disrepectful to those who have actually been disenfranchised.
One last point – to all those people out there who will vote for Hillary but not for Obama – I find that section of the population to be downright laughable. Their policies are so ridiculously similar that your grasping at straws to actually give credence to the idea that McCain would better represent you than Obama. (ie: abortion rights)
Attack me all you want, but I think if you take a step back and think about the state of the union, you will realize how petty you have become.
Obama troll, but you’re pretty good. Unfortunately for you, this modus operandi has played out.
Only Obama supporters claim that he and Clinton have “ridiculously similar” policies. And the abortion rights scare tactic is a dead givaway.
Oh Please. Moderate conservative. Oy. These guys really believe that we’re uneducated gits…boy are they in for a rude awakening. Those poor folks you belittle don’t have time to hang on blogs all day, they have to work. Most of us here at No Quarter have time to kill because we are educated and have plenty of spare time to just hang out. So please, your childish tactics are rather transparent. But we do welcome you here because you’re driving up Larry’s numbers.
I’m not sure why you are presuming to understand my political background – but I will expand.
I said I was a moderate conservative, that is the truth. I voted for Bush twice b/c of economic concerns and foreign policy. For example, I think a homeowners bailout is ridiculous, I think global warming legislation is absurd and against our economic and political interests, and I think leaving in Iraq as soon as a President is elected is a mistake. However, I consider myself moderate because I am extremely liberal on social issues. For example, I am pro-choice, pro gay marriage, against the death penalty, etc.
Anyway, just thought I would clarify my political background and add that I am white, 24, and an American history and civics teacher.
Barack Obama appeals to my moderate side b/c I found him to be inspirational, symbolic, intelligent, and willing to talk to the American public like real people, and not ‘low information’ voters. (ie: gas tax pandering)I find his speeches to be inspirational, and while I understand that we need more than ’speeches’ in a President, I still don’t understand why people are still claiming that obama’s and Hillary’s policies aren’t similar. I just went on both their websites to confirm their stances, and yes, they are strikingly similar.
On one hand, we have two candidates who generally want universal healthcare (you can argue the details) but this drastically differs than McCain’s policy. Both want an exit from Iraq.
Please inform me about the major differences! The only one I can think of that is substative is the negotiating with foreign leaders of hostile nations, which I think needs a closer look at it anyway.
I actually didn’t realize that this blog only welcomed proHillary comments, I just stumbled upon this blog.
Mike,
I know it seems that way in here. But there is precious little polling data to support your delusions. We will win without you. And as mentioned previously, it’s good for political parties to shed some dead weight once in a while, a healthy development that only hastens the party’s evolution. And let’s face it. Racists and haters are better off in the Freeper village anyway. They’ll have more fun there.
Oh boy. This one can’t be a real Obamabot. Mccain supporter in drag. Dude, trust me you don’t need to be here stirring up more shit. Wright, Pfleger, Michelle are already enough. Can you say “OVERKILL”?
Voters’ votes are never “renegade.”
It’s got some way to run yet, and I have every hope that HRC sees it through to the Credentials COmmittee at the Convention.
Nonetheless, I am steeling myself for pulling the “R” lever for only the second time in 40 years of Voting. (The first time was for “Mosquito Commissioner,” and I went to high school with the candidate).
Wow, a FOX news satellite site. Good job guys, President McCain, Joe Lieberman, and the rest of the GOP thank you for a job well done.
Wow, another Obama supporter driving up Larry’s sitemeter and thinking his comment is the most clever comment in the history of the universe.
Wow, another Obama supporter here driving up Larry’s hits and thinking his comment is the most clever comment in the history of the universe.
Oops! Damned double post. See…this is the reason Percocet and Vicodan are regulated.
It was worth saying twice, Strawberry!
Give ‘em hell!
Maybe the pill popping explains the position also.
I have been a “support the nominee” voter ever since my preferred candidates dropped out. I personally don’t see a ton of difference between Clinton and Obama.
What I can not fathom is the attitude that you want McCain to win if your preferred candidate can not be the nominee. That seems just sick and wrong to me.
OK. Obama Nation has defined Democrat down. They succeeded where Republicans tried and failed.
OK, sweetie, not a Democrat. Obama Nation has debased the term. They succeeded where Republicans spent huge amounts of money and failed.
Meh, I shed no tears for Jumpin’ Joe Lieberman. He is anti-choicea and has said hideous things about women who seek abortions, he jumped on the impeach-Clinton bandwagon faster than you could say “kangaroo court!’, is a mealymouthed apologist for genocide, has a long and unsavory association with Lynne Cheney and was a HUGE drag on Gore’s campaign. Then he formed a third party ouf of spite when Connecticut Dems primaried him. Please don’t put him in the category of other principled Dems. He isn’t. Oh, and don’t forget he was Obama’s mentor in the Senate.
Thank-you for being there! No doubt afterwards you felt like going home and taking a long shower. I watched the proceedings all day Saturday while my husband frequently left the room in complete and total disgust.
You’re efforts are admired and much appreciated.
“Abortion rights”? Oh, puh-leeze…
The GOP will never overturn Roe v. Wade. Why not? Because the GOP raises lots of funds from the anti-abortion nuts. The day the GOP actually cancels Roe v. Wade is the day that cash cow runs dry.
You DON’T kill a goose that’s laying golden eggs for you.
You know, I’m a republican watching these shenanigans, and I could not agree more with you. You know, Lieberman isn’t exactly all buddy-buddy with the GOP (actually not at all) but those guys just can’t help but make those teams strange bedfellows.
People like Bill Ayers are not Democrats.
yttik made the point that bugs me most… Uncommitted Delegates:
“Those delegates are uncommitted until the convention at which point they either remain uncommitted or they endorse somebody.”
And this is why they are given “individual voter” status — inviolate status. There are many reasons a person might vote that way… as yet undecided, preferring the other party’s candidate or platform, planning to vote in the convention for Obama, or for Edwards, Richardson or some yet unknown person, for that matter. Even, eventually for Hillary Clinton.
I’m furious about the RBC robbing Clinton of her votes, but would be just as mad if some blustering entity decided IT KNEW BETTER how my vote should be cast without my permission to take it from me!!! How could the RBC truly KNOW how I intended my uncommitted vote to eventually be cast???
“… it really is about state’s rights. States run their own elections, they make their rules. A higher court might be able to over rule them, but I don’t think the DNC has any authority or legal standing to assign uncommitted delegates to a particular candidate.”
Exactly. And, not only did they feel they had the ‘authority’ to strip the uncommitted voters of their constitutional rights, but that they could also determine, regardless and totally ignorant of, perhaps even AGAINST, those voters’ desires for whom their votes should be cast!
I might have even preferred they never allowed Michigan their votes, if it were only done, as is apparent, to award unearned votes to a candidate who purposely removed his name from the ballot. I mean… Hey! Why not give ME those votes? I did not choose to be on the ballot either!!
Two other points in my craw… It was not ONLY FOUR (4) votes taken from Hillary. It was EIGHT (8) !!! Obama getting 4 more (on top of the 55 others he also never earned) meant her lead was reduced from 18 to TEN (10)!!! And, if the uncommitted voters’ rights were observed, it might have been as high as *55* by convention time, if none of the uncommitted wanted to vote for Obama anymore by then. And THAT should have been their CHOICE!!
Lastly, something I’ve not seen mentioned yet, and that is about campaigning in the penalized States. As regards Michigan, Obama did in fact campaign there, along with a concerted, maybe even ‘joint’ effort with Edwards (and Richardson, too, I gather) to make up for their belated realization of bad judgment in taking their names off the ballot. A very large, wide-ranging campaign, by phone, print and the Internet, was waged to get their supporters to vote ‘uncommitted’ in hopes of just such a remedy as was afforded by the RBC’s biased and unscrupulous actions on May 31st. Weren’t all the candidates, on or off the ballot, told to NOT campaign in MI or FL under the DNC sanctions imposed on them for violating the DNC’s rules??? Maybe Hillary should have waged an ‘anti-uncommitted’ campaign; although, they’d have probably found some reason to drop the boom on her for that, too.
Shameful mess the DNC and RBC have created for our party. Shame, shame shame…
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