About “Rants,” 2012 and More (even Barack and Blackwater)
By Beebop44 on June 8, 2008 at 5:10 PM in Barack Obama, Blackwater, Hillary Clinton
Another in our series of readers’ expressions — SusanUnPC
There are several terms that I personally would like to see fall out of favor for a while and the word “rant” is among them. Drawing from Wikipedia.org – which is only as accurate as the people who contribute – but feels spot on accurate here in its definition, I want to share what I specifically find off-putting. I will put the words I want to focus on in bolded italics.
“A rant or harangue is a monologue that does not present a well-researched and calm argument; rather, it is typically an attack on an idea, a person or an institution, and very often lacks proven claims.
Some rants are used not to attack something, but to defend an individual, idea or organization. Rants of this type generally occur after the subject has been attacked by another individual or group.
Rants are used often in situations requiring monologue.”
Hillary’s withdrawal from the race has brought me a certain amount of peace which I haven’t seen discussed any where else in the blogs. So much of the passion of her supporters has been aroused to defend an individual, idea or organization that after a time, we can and need to put that to the side. She remains the strong, intelligent, committed Senator, wife and mother she was when she started her campaign. She is now more familiar to millions of people who went out and voted for her. It will only be easier now to elect her in 2012.
Her platforms of universal health care, educational reform and economic programs that look after the welfare of the working and middle class are not going to become less relevant. They will continue to be daily issues not just for those who did vote for her, but also those who were on the fence, didn’t vote at all or voted for one of her opponents. Add primary election reform and I can see nothing but good things for her four years from now.
There were two organizations we were defending throughout the final two months of her campaign: women and the “old” Democratic party. Four years from now, there will be more of us who understand what the media has done in this election. The woman who didn’t see how important Hillary’s voice was will have seen her own share of misogyny and we will see a cultural backlash against it.
After one more missed opportunity to regain the White House, there will either be a different Democratic party in four years, or there will be at least one more party in four years. We have a real opportunity to be a part of the planning and realization of those fundamental opportunities. Isn’t that an exciting thing to look forward to? I for one can’t wait to get started either way.
So. Where are we now? Speaking only for me, I think that we challenge the notion that rants are used often in situations requiring monologue. The most meaningful thing we can do is remember that our writings here are not monologues. Borrowing once again from Wikipedia.org: ”A monologue is an extended, uninterrupted by a single person. The person may be speaking his or her thoughts aloud or directly addressing other persons, e.g. an audience, a character, or a reader.”
When one of the posters launches a thread, he or she does so for the express purpose of encouraging – challenging actually – us to digest the thoughts and to think for ourselves to bring something to the conversation. To take the post a little further by offering up and contributing a new fact, a link, a suggestion that moves the original thread to a higher level than where it started.
When we don’t contribute, we have a conversation that circles the drain and the life force of the conversation sucks it down ward. When we deign to permit a Troll (again, Wikipedial.org ”Someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion”.) we permit the discussion to lose its direction and it ends up down that drain faster than one might imagine.
Again, speaking only for me, what I would like to see is more discussion that focuses on a well-researched and calm argument; and relies upon proven claims so that we can demonstrate to the elders within the Democratic party that unlike the passion and fury that is required to sustain a rant, we are prepared to do what it takes insofar as educating the ill-informed electorate on matters that do effect them.
A personal example seems like a good idea here. There was a three-part and very detailed emotional article that appeared in our media here in Cleveland focusing on how difficult it was for two mothers to find out how their sons died while in the employ of Blackwater.
While most of you are probably aware that Senator Obama supports continuing to have paid forces defend the interests of our country, I don’t know how many people know much about his policies beyond his oft reported claim to have spoken out against the war in Iraq. We all know of issues that are important to American voters and yet they are not reported or are falsely reported or under reported so that he would have a cleared path to the Democratic nomination. Well, he has it now.
Are we going to rant or are we going to put forward calm, well researched, reasoned thoughts for why Senator Clinton’s former supporters cannot support him? I for one vote for reason.
Thanks for listening.
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Funny, there were no immediate responses.
Yes, I agree. What are the most effective things we can do between now and the convention? (besides pray for an indictment?)
Now, THIS is a spiritual advisor:
httpCOLON//wwwDOTnprDOTorg/templates/story/storyDOTphp?storyId=91293209
Clinton’s own pastor comments on the election.
Quite a difference from Obama’s nutcases.
Well researched and reasoned may be the reason no immediate responses. That’s a tall order when we’re used to expressing opinions! That’s all I have right now – a personal opinion/monologue based on what I’ve learned and observed about Obama thus far , as I depend on others for the links and research that keeps me informed.
I’ll wait!
Oh, a question. Where do I go to sign up as a non-Obama supporter?
HillaryDems or liberalrapture.
Sorry, it’s Clinton Dems, there’s also Hillaryis44.com
Trolls are going to get a visit by the IP POLICE.
cool harp. can’t think of anything more deserving.
Guess who said it best.
RNC Statement on Democrat Party Disunity
http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=b931e382-26cb-4c86-aa41-52f28cc8383d
Yep. I’ve been saying for 6 months – if he wins the nomination and they start to vet him all I will be able to do is nod my head and say – yep.
I am looking forward to shaking my head and saying yep! I can hardly wait now.
Days after securing the nomination and losing nine of the last 14 primaries, and 151 days before the general election, Barack Obama is speaking as if he has been elected and reelected. Yet, Obama has not agreed to the citizen town hall meetings the American people deserve where he must answer the tough questions any aspirant for the presidency would be expected to address. Just yesterday, Obama demonstrated his lack of preparedness by backtracking on yet another issue with regard to one of the most sensitive matters in the Middle East, the status of Jerusalem. Perhaps Senator Obama should consider demonstrating some level of readiness to serve as president before contemplating second term valedictories.
Lou – very well said. “Audacity” is the correct term for Obama as when I heard him say on TV yesterday, “In 2016, when I finish my second term in office…”, I almost fell over. He is the most arrogant, disgusting excuse for a man, (much less a politician) I have ever seen…just disgusting.
The problem is the Democratic Party didn’t nominated their strongest candidate. Even when half of the party has been shouting that he’s not ready, the party senior went ahead and nominated him anyway. Hence they deserve to lose in the general election.
Well – actually, the nomination isn’t until August -Obama’s only sitting there b/c of SUPER DELEGATES and the illegal delegates handed to him by the illegal Michigan decision. If truth begins to rear it’s ugly head (very ugly in BO’s case) let’s hope these SD’s have a change of heart. This nomination could very much turn on a dime – Hillary’s not stupid – she kept her delegates…
Reasons, yes! Well said, Beebop44!
You make some excellent points, Beebop. My initial thought is that we here at No Quarter can certainly be the impetus for a new political party that represents us more effectively than the DNC or RNC. I have resigned myself to the reality that we will have to suffer through 4 years of John McCain and mediocrity in order to keep things from totally exploding. So my experience thus far at No Quarter tells me we have the intelligence, determination, and capability of doing this, and doing it well. I would throw the gauntlet to our leadership here at No Quarter for their thoughts first. Larry & Susan – any ideas?
Why would everything “explode” under Obama? Just wondering…
OMG..do you have a few hours…this list is long.
You think the country is in trouble now. O boy you haven’t seen anything yet if Obama gets to be president and God forbid he will not..we will stop him.
I support this effort. we need a party that represents middle, reasonable, rational america. We need a formidable force that will stand up to the extremists on both sides.
There is a party in the west called the “Patriot Party”.
I haven’t had a chance to research it but it may be worth looking into.
I left the Dem party today after 38 years of voting Dem
I signed up to help campaign for McCain.
I intend to help him succeed.
We cannot afford this Obama. He has no experience.
We cannot afford him his high taxes, his pac money, his failed self.
Hillary said a while back, “I’ll bring experience, Senator McCain will bring experience. Sen. Obama will bring a speech. ” She wasn’t kidding. She was deadpan serious.
American Patriot Party
google it
Beebop44! Wonderful and insightful.
Thanks
Okay, I’ve got two. I cannot support Barak because he voted for the Bush/Cheney Oil/Energy Bill and because he supports the use of Blackwater. (I can’t BELIEVE the supposedly “progressive” candidate voted that way and was never, NOT ONCE, asked to explain.)
He doesn’t explain his true agenda to anyone…some insider AA’s know what his agenda is..
But that is why he cut and paste Hillary’s speeches and policies and altered them a little and screwed them up essentially…to make people stop asking what his policy is..his true agenda will not be disclosed until he becomes president…so work hard to defeat him..
He has people fooled big time. They can’t see past his fluff.
People, check the http://www.freepress.net/
for yesterday’s National Conference on Media Reform.
For those looking to do something about media corruption, this is the place.
The orators were excellent. Bill Moyer, among others.
Funny, because Bill Moyers was part of the problem in this election. On his PBS program, Bill Moyers Journal, two weeks before Obama was awarded the nomination, Bill Moyers did a show on Supremes nominees and how the candidates would likely decide, he totally omitted Hillary Clinton and showed only McCain and Obama. Then, for an analyst, he had Jeffrey Toobin–a man who has pushed outrageous Obama talking points, even saying after Hillary’s WV win that she should go on television and tell her voters to stop voting for her because she’s white and start voting for Barack Obama. I must say that was one of the most stunningly vicious displays I’ve ever seen in any election coverage. If it wasn’t bad enough that Moyers presented Toobin as an unbiased analyst, he first mentioned that he had known Toobin since he was a small child and that’s why he relied on Toobin’s analysis.
So, Bill Moyers, you get out there and reform all those OTHER bad journalists, hear?
Like telling a confused hen to guard the wolf den… He’s a prime example of white guilt victims. Jimmy Carter is another. Bleeding heart liberals who can’t see the inexperience behind the the skin color.
The media acting like the are running a talk show where they can spout off opinion..abominable..
They should be sued for libel and slander for saying the sexist things about Hillary and other women.
If that was done in a regular corporation, they would have been fired and have a lawsuit on their hands. It’s against the law to do that in American corporations.
What is wrong with them.
I saw that and how he left out Hillary. Charlie Rose is another chauvanist who is in the tank for Obama.
Low information voters who take people at their word.
Obama may be right. White people are naiive and he is capitalizing on it.
Ugh Charlie Rose has been revolting in these past few months. He always was… How many times has he have his dear close friend Kissinger on?
I had just forgotten. He is a chameleon.
I remember him having William F. Buckley Jr. almost every night during the Clinton impeachment spewing hate and Charlie smiling along.
He’s disgusting….I stopped watching him completely a few months ago.
I miss the Bill Moyers one…Good grief…
I for one have a response: I more than understand the above post and agree with it. Discussion needs to be made to move forward and to be constructive but I also know about the greiving process and I for one have lost two things:
1. Any illusion left that the Democratic party can survive after an outright theft and hijacking of delegates… and
2. The belief that Hillary could (and be extension I speak of myself) achieve any more fair and appropriate treatment – that despite all of it, there would be some modicum of respect
So, I know that I for one and probably many others have to grieve and part of grieving is that kind of screaming at the gravesite. I suspect that portion of it will pass but that outrage, that anger has to be part of the grieving process and there is no question for me that SOMETHING IS DEAD
and it sure as hell isn’t me and it sure as hell isn’t Hillary or Bill or what they’ve stood for.
And so I guess I have to defend Susan in her choice of the word “rant.” It could also be called screaming at the gods but it needs to take place and I deeply appreciate the opportunity to do and watch it here.
I totally get it and know where you are. But there will be a morning when you log onto your computer and the dread will be gone because you know that there won’t be a smear or indignity coming her way. And then there will be hours where you don’t feel defensive. You can do something positive that you have put off — matching socks, throwing out the things that not only don’t fit, but you don’t LIKE. And when you feel yourself putting one foot in front of the other and propelled forward, find the topic or issue that meant the most to you and where you personally feel that mistakes were made. Where the media ignored it and then someone finally caught the “Texas two-step” Obama policy and he momentarily was caught with one foot in two conflicting statements. Then write something and send it to Susan. And we can share it and the word goes further. And then the next person will do the same. And pretty soon, we’ve exposed all of his conflicts — not the inner ones in his two novels but the ones that are going to effect Americans not only in the next four years, but all the years that follow. We know that the DNC isn’t going to change. So we have to change what is masquerading as the Democratic party. And we can’t wait. So. Borrowing from Barack’s campaign, we’re going to have to be the one’s we’re waiting for.
One quick question … does anyone else see any similarity between what is happening … on some level with the movie “Z?” Here’s the Wikipedia.org link … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(film)
Thanks so much for the commradarie of this website. We’re going to build an army!
I think it’s clear that most of us experienced a lot of what she went through.
We just hoped our experience was unique.
It wasn’t.
Pfleger To Return To St. Sabina June 16
Reporting
Mike Puccinelli
CHICAGO (CBS) ― Father Michael Pfleger will return to the pulpit at St. Sabina Catholic Church on June 16, after Cardinal Francis George forced him to take a leave of absence over controversial comments about U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Pfleger created an uproar last month when he delivered a sermon at Trinity United Church Of Christ and mocked Clinton’s tears on the campaign trail.
George forced Pfleger to temporarily step down this week to reflect on those comments. Pfleger was forced by Cardinal George to stay away from St. Sabina’s and to move out of the rectory.
“I have asked Father Michael Pfleger, Pastor of St. Sabina’s Parish, to step back from his obligations there,” the cardinal said in a statement on Tuesday, “and take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties.”
Parishioners said Sunday morning that they have been told Pfleger will return to the church on June 16 on the grounds that he can not discuss politics.
But the Archdiocese of Chicago couldn’t confirm Pfleger’s return and a spokeswoman says Cardinal Francis George hasn’t issued any new statement on the matter.
The Cardinal met with parishoners of St. Sabina on Thursday to discuss the suspension, but neither the Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago nor the congregation discussed that meeting until Sunday morning.
The church was demanding Pfleger’s reinstatement, arguing all the good he was doing at Saint Sabina far outweighed what he said one Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ.
They wanted him back to preside over graduations and weddings. His absence, they said, would punish them as much as it would him.
At Sunday’s 10 a.m. mass the congregation learned it’s wish had been granted.
In light of the decision, the church’s pastoral associate says Father Pfleger’s mandatory sabbatical was not a punishment.
“This action was not punitive,” said Kimberly Linemoore. “But rather a time to step back to reflect.”
But congregation members believe it was punitive and unnecessarily harsh.
“The church chose to, for lack of a better word, to smite him; and I don’t believe it was right,” said parishioner Martin Dumas.
They say reinstatement fits in with the church’s message of reconciliation.
“Getting over the YouTube moment and moving beyond that is significant. I think America has to remember we’re a country of second chances,” said parishioner David Griggs.
Pfleger has been pastor of the predominantly African-American St. Sabina parish, at 1210 W. 78th St., since 1981. He has gained notoriety for his political activism on behalf of gun control, racial and social equality, and intervention against youth violence.
On May 25, Pfleger was a guest preacher at the Trinity United Church of Christ, of which Sen. Obama was a member for two decades. In his sermon, he mocked Clinton and the emotion she showed before the New Hampshire primary.
“I really don’t believe it was put on. I always thought she felt ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white. And this is mine. I just got to get up and step into the plate,’” he said. “And then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey, I’m Barack Obama.’ And she said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from? I’m white. I’m entitled. There’s a black man stealing my show.’”
Pfleger then pretended to cry in a dramatization that included a handkerchief.
“She wasn’t the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people crying,” he said.
Pfleger later apologized for his comments. “I apologize for anyone who was offended and thought it to be mockery. that was neither my intent nor was it my heart.”
But the controversy prompted U.S. Sen. Barack Obama to cut ties with Trinity, where he had been a member for more than 20 years.
Previously, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the former longtime pastor at Trinity, drew fire for controversial remarks which infuriated Obama.
Wright has said the U.S. government may have developed the AIDS virus to infect blacks and that the U.S. invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Obama has denounced the remarks.
Whether Father Pfleger will be given the chance to lead St. Sabina’s for many more years remains to be seen. Church members say if he’s eventually forced to leave, many parishioners will leave with him.
“More than 75 percent of the people would move,” said parishioner Marian Hunt.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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And this is how it goes each and every time.
*Bangs head on wall*
I hope we’re on the same wave length …
What happens when we continue to “wait” for “things to happen” is that we give up the ‘control’ … we wait for stories and we react to them. We don’t control the dialogue. If we divide and conquer by setting the dialogue on the issues facing voters … we have a great opportunity to vet him on issues. So many of you have already contributed GREAT ideas here …
What I’d like to see is a massive effort to “follow the money” — identify and list every single “bundler” for Obama.
We need to know where his money is coming from — and just who he owes big time.
If someone could write a diary or rant or start a blog which can guide and direct the anger of everyone who is determined to expose snObama — this would be a wonderful asset.
Google: Obama follow the money
500,000 hits in .24 seconds
Obama is very dirty — and the DNC must be just as dirty.
The most painful fact about this primary for this long time (50 yr) Democratic voter and the final blow to my idealism (or naivete, if you will) is the dawning realization that “we the people” have lost our place in the Democratic process. As I’ve said before I don’t think the primary is a voter driven political process anymore – it’s become an overt marketing campaign brought to us by the corporate oligarchy. (Money has always been a part of politics but this primary season it seemed overt and shameless) The Republican brand is bankrupt and the Big Boys needed a new brand to keep them in power. They have the money and own the media. Obama was a relatively unknown blank slate with a thin resume and less experience – a perfect puppet for the Wall St. bankers. I think this trend will continue for a long time. And should Hillary try again in 2012 I think she would face the same overwhelming media opposition she did this time. As a resident of the SF Bay Area, one of the most liberal places in the world, I know whereof I speak. The SF Chronicle has and continues to publish some of the most hateful and shameful anti-Hillary cartoons and editorials. Better she should stay in the Senate and take some leadership position there.
Were did senator Obama’s running platform come from? Did he spend his extensive years in public service developing it? Or did he borrow it from some one who has spent those years in service? Like so many words he’s borrowed from others. I’m not educated (except by the school of hard knock’s ) but I sense a thief somewhere.
Have you read..
Barack Obama Inc.:
The birth of a Washington machine
http://tinyurl.com/33hlfo
That is an excellent and well research article. Obama was absolutely furious when it appeared. It is one of the first things I read about Obama.
I keep a few things handy.
From the Harper’s article — something that many of us have been saying — follow the money:
All of this has forged a political culture that is intrinsically hostile to reform. On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn’t see him as a “player.” The lobbyist added: “What’s the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?”
Also what many of us REALISTS have been saying — there will be NO reform if Obama gets the keys to the white house. Oil and the Health “care” Insurance will continue to rip off Americans.
Obama sees himself as someone from a WORLD city — not an American city. Obama does not see himself as an American — and this is the attitude of many tools of International Corporations. This is the fatal flaw of the huge multi-national WORLD corporations. They have no loyalty to their country.
This is why I say in his heart — Obama is not an American — he has no loyalty to American and to the middle class CORE value Americans. The real democratic voters — he has no use for use.
And thus there is no guilt to eject him — asap. And if this take the aid of the GOP — SO BE IT.
It’s a cut and paste from Hillary and changed a little to disguise it. In changing it he looks like the worst policy maker ever.
He has an agenda he can’t disclose now so he took Hillary’s policy.
I have spent the last 30 minutes trying toexplain why I won’t for Obama…and dam it it didn’t post!
I guess that will teach me not to pour my heart out here in the future.
out where?
here?
Andy,
I spent 30 minutes writing a very long post and no it was not a rant and it did not post…it was my true feeling about Obama and why I won’t vote for him…
Do you copy it, before you post?
If it goes to spam, or the server burps, you will at least have it saved, and you can retry posting, simply by pasting.
30yrsdem-notanymore:
Sorry now I get it. Type it on a text-edit window when it’s long and thoughtful and then copy and past. Or copy with your editor before hitting the “Add Comment” just in case.
Email susanunpc@gmail.com She may be able to rescue the message from the spam filters (give her some idea of what it said, etc).
No …no one wants to read it anyway…I hit back and pasted it into a note book but…it does not matter..really…
I am actually interested; and very much so. I really appreciate to know people’s convictions and thinking. Really. Would you consider re-posting?
I am unaffiliated as well.
Cheers 30yrdem-not any more !!
After Pfeleger went on his rant and no one stepped up from the democratic party..it told me that they thought it was acceptable..I called the election board to find out what the deadline was to change…it was good I got mad that day because it was the last day to change, it was a Friday and June first was the dead line, a Sunday…It made me feel good when it came, I never thought I would ever change from being a democrat.
There was sexism in the blogs&media and the DNC remained silent.
There was Jeremiah Wright and the DNC remained silent.
There was Farrakhan and NOI and the DNC remained silent.
There was the trashing of Clinton’s presidency and the DNC remained silent.
There was the nutcracker with HRC figurine sold at airports
by CBS and the DNC remained silent.
There was more misogyny in blogs&media and the DNC remained silent.
There was Meeks and the DNC remained silent.
There was Pfleger and the DNC remained silent.
I have no idea who these people are but the surely don’t have anything in common with who I am.
There was
I think really from what I wrote before,that didn’t post, the most heart breaking thing for me…God Damn America…think about it…give your self a minute…20 years..I am not a deeply religious person,….but..when I go to church it is to feed my soul, nourish my inner self…so if I apply that to Obama he has been feeding on white hate for 20 years.
You know what…I am very proud of my new voters registration card I got yesterday in the mail..I keep it here by my computer just to look at the REP on it every now and then.
You went Rep. all the way. That’s okay as well
In my state indy really has no voting rights..no primary voting..I went all the way!
alot of my heart bearing post vanish too.
Thank you beebop for your insightful post; it left me thinking….
I understand what you mean about peace a bit and I agree with what
you say about Hillary:
To survive until then it will indeed take reason and lots of strength. Unless…she becomes our nominee in 2008. But even then we will need reason and strength to succeed.
Thank you !
annakarenina,
It is my hope that the truth about obama will find its way to the light for all to see and because of that truth, Hillary will be given what was already her’s all along.
We cannot afford to allow any more puppets to be placed inside the White House to do the bidding of the power elite, at the expense of the people. Like Hillary always said, our country and our beliefs are worth fighting for.
Therefore, it is up to We, the people, to do our duty as citizens and continue to stand by Hillary and to build our numbers, our resolve, our resources, our energy and our commentment to prepare for the day that we can “launch Hillary into the White House!”
We have the power to make this happen, if we only act on it. We should always remember as we continue our journey to take our country back that “the most common way people give away their power is to believe that they don’t have any.” a quote by Alice Walker, an obama supporter, but, ironically, so true in our present situation!
We cannot give in, we cannot give up and we cannot stop believing that we can raise Hillary up to be our president.
Her website is winding down big time. They are not accepting posts. It takes you to a page that says join other groups.
From Hillary Rodham Clinton:
There’s our gifted orator. Obama who?
too bad they forced her to drink the kool aide.
The decent thing would have been to decide this at the convention. But the elites thought this anger would simmer down if they cut off the problem now. I believe they will be wrong because everyday from now to August Obama will be proving he is not worthy, and the lingering doubts about sidelining Cltion would multiply (to the point they would push her to the vp, but I hope she declines). By August, the convention will feel like a sinking ship. Hillary will be standing on the shore shaking her head. Told ya there’s a big hole on the SS Obama.
I read they will be cancelling the convention or moving it to a smaller venue. They don’t have the money for the venue.
Queen of Egypt, iron my shirt !!
Obama is the true Queen of Egypt. ;-D He’s busy ironning MO’s skirt as we speaking. Such a feminist is he.
And washing their underwear; by hand.
and sleeping in separate rooms because he stinks.
That’s not MO’s skirt he’s ironing…it Fr. Pfleger’s cossack.
Beebop, I think I feel relaxed, too, because it’s really been clear from the DNC actions that they were determined to crown Obama, no matter what she did or how much she proved her case. That was intense.
The DNC meeting confirmed what we all knew.
Now, we can stop playing the head games and realize..that’s that. They were determined to define the “will of the people” only by delegate count. No other argument mattered.
Agreed AnninCa
I’ll admit the following is not well researched but I think it is well reasoned
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Lets put aside the sexism and the charges of racism. The fallacy of the Obama campaign is that if he is elected, people will suddenly stop acting like people, that we will change. It’s an essential component to his thesis. We have government of the people and for that type of government to fundamentally change, the people have to fundamentally change. I’ve lived all over this country north, south, east and west and except for a few cosmetic differences in appearance, accent or personal philosophy, this is the one truth I’ve found: no matter where you go, people are people are people. We aren’t going to change because Barack Obama was elected president. It isn’t going to happen. We won’t even change on the political front because should Barack be elected we will be replacing the old group of right wing conservative zealots that entered the political fray with Ronald Reagan with the new group of left wing progressive zealots the entered the political fray with Barack Obama. Movement politics will continue and the first day of this new movement will start the clock for it’s eventual demise. I’d prefer not to go through the rest of my life watching the oscillations of the political pendulum as it swings back and forth from right to left to right to left, moving ever closer to the Liberal center of America as the movements lose their energy. I can help to arrest the momentum by stopping this swing to the left by not supporting Barack Obama. When all is said and done and America is finished flushing it’s movements we will be left with only ourselves to live with and all of time left before us to make that life in. Only then will the liberal agenda as it is laid down in the constitution flourish and grow. The sooner that happens the sooner we all benefit.
We do better in the center. McCain is center. We can’t have Hillary who is center. It’s over.
First of all we need campaign finance reform so that big money is not the issue. I think the DNC was looking at Obama as a cash machine to help them win more Congressional seats in November. If we reform campaign finance, we can expect to get a better slate of candidates in the future—more choices, although I love Hillary. If Hillary doesn’t get on the ticket, which I hope she won’t—hope she keeps her distance from Obama, and goes back to the Senate, we need to ask her to put a bill through to get those campaign reforms through the House and Senate.
Also, we need to ask her to reform the media, get back a good FCC chairman so that we won’t hear such nasty sexist comments and personal attacks. There should be fairness in the media. Representation from all sides.
She doesn’t owe any allegiance to the DNC now so she should be a free agent to bring and fight for real reform on many issues in Congress.
She, in essence, is the banner waver for Universal Health Care—she can just let it rip now.
She has great support from the military and so she should just go and fight to bring our troops home now and fight for veterans benefits.
Obama is in the tank for the nuclear industry and we need to pressure Hillary to lead the fight for developing alternative sources of energy. Whew! She has a lot to do, but she now that has shown her support for the Dems., she has publicly declared where she is, she can just let all stops out now.
McCain has as much money now as Obama. Should be an interesting year.
Go to McCains site and see what Obama says about Pac money for elections. He stopped the pac money so McCain can’t get any but left a loophole open for himslef so he can still get lobbiest’s money. People give this guy too much power. He is a thug.
Support clean elections. I don’t know what state you live in but in WA State we are working toward them. The beauty of clean elections is that it favors neither political party and also has no first amendment trap. Interest money is still allowed in but met dollar for dollar will clean public money. The result is that politicians stop taking the interest money and the have more time to spend with the concerns of their constituents.
http://www.washclean.org/
Sorry I do not believe that for a minute — and I live in WA STATE.
The caucus was the dirtiest, filthiest piece of crap designed by idiots I have EVER witnessed.
The democrats were bought by OBAMA — and I really doubt that I will be able to vote for any democRAT in Washington this year — nearly ALL are tainted by Obama money.
So NO way is WA clean — Obama has corrupted WASH.
You poor young child — you have been duped.
How much money did he spend on the primary? They say 400 million but I believe it was more. he paid off everyone..and I mean everyone. All the states elections got paid off with a few exceptions like OR and MA and I suspect Mark Penn..which is why Hillary was losing at first and couldn’t figure out why. When she put Penn in the background she started winning.
As Obama Severs Ties, County Pastors Voice Dismay
By Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 5, 2008; PG01
The decision by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to leave Trinity United Church of Christ after more than 15 years is not sitting well with some African American pastors and scholars in Prince George’s County.
The senator from Illinois announced Saturday that he was leaving the church after a video surfaced showing a Chicago priest in Trinity’s pulpit appearing to mimic a tearful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). The Rev. Michael L. Pfleger, a guest speaker during a May 25 sermon on race, charged that Clinton, Obama’s opponent for the Democratic nomination, felt entitled to the presidency because she is white.
The Rev. Barbara Reynolds, a Prince George’s resident and Howard University School of Divinity lecturer, decried the media coverage of the incident, which she said is fueling the controversy.
“I think this is a new low,” said Reynolds, a close associate of Trinity’s retiring pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose remarks sparked controversy for Obama earlier in the campaign. “If a politician wants to move up in government, they can come to church and jump and shout, but it is not okay to go to church where they are speaking truth to power and talking about racism, sexism and capitalism.”
Reynolds, a former USA Today columnist, found her motives under scrutiny after she helped organize a recent appearance by Wright at the National Press Club. Critics questioned whether Reynolds, who has announced her support for Clinton, intentionally tried to hurt Obama by keeping Wright in the spotlight, speculation that Reynolds has denied.
The Rev. Grainger Browning, pastor of Ebenezer African Methodist Episcopal Church in Fort Washington, said Obama’s candidacy and the controversy surrounding his relationship with the pastors is causing ministers to “rethink how our message of liberation is being communicated.”
“I am saddened that all things could not have worked together for the greater good,” Browning said. “I am sure that he is disappointed, and the church is disappointed. No one is happy how this scenario has played out.
Pfleger was one of three white ministers who preached at Trinity as part of a Sacred Dialogue on Race, an event that had been encouraged in the nation’s 5,700 United Church of Christ congregations. Pfleger apologized Sunday for his remarks.
Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said of Obama’s decision to leave his church, “I think that it was inevitable because Dr. Wright was not out of the mainstream of American black preaching.
“It is probably a good thing for [Obama] not to have a home church because they have found a way to use statements that come from the black perspective to paint him as an African American candidate.
“Barack Obama is running for president in a country where 70 percent of the people are white, and they demand that he align himself to their dominant view.”
I have no doubt that Hillary will continue to stand for the people, but I don’t think we should expect her to do all the heavy lifting, while incompetent ingrates like obama are anointed to bid for the most powerful position in the world for doing NOTHING!
I will not be satisfied until Hillary Rodham Clinton is our President. Anything less, is totally unacceptable.
It is time for those of us who believe in what Hillary stands for, what she put herself through hell for on our behalf, to take action and put the DNC, obama and his supporters, the media, the political pundits, bloggers in their place. Like the article says, if we “sanction” this behavior, it will never change. We must not sanction their manipulation of the will of the people, despite all the efforts to persuade us to jump on the kool-aid express.
Putting these guys in their place, once and for all, is change I can believe in.
Our troops are dieing and for what? Democracy in another country while they are stealing ours from us here at home…and doing it for all the world to see.
Oh don’t you worry. They are voting them out. There are dozens of groups forming and organizing their plan right now. Many people have moved past the grief and are moving ahead.
I’m sorry, I do not feel relaxed or calm. It sounds too much like sleepy-time. I am still stinking angry and pissed off, big time.
Ranting may have its limitations, a one voice opinion. Investigative reports and essays certainly have their merit, too [unfortunately, we don't see enough of them]. Evelyn Pringle’s series was an eye-opener and Rezko Watch never fails to amaze and appall me–the money, the fraud, the corruption. So what do we do? Fiddle while Rome burns?
I am not willing to go into that good night gently. I am not willing to simply say okay folks, you’ve taken over the party my grandfather busted his balls for, my aunt nearly lost her marriage over, and the same party I’ve supported and been proud of since I was of age to cast my first vote.
It may not get me anywhere. But Jesus, it’s willing to fight for, raise our voices for until we can’t talk and have nowhere else to go. We may not win. I may ultimately vote for John McCain. But as far as I’m concerned we have a civic responsibility to say:
No! No! No!
Remember the young man in Tiananmen Square? Come on, you remember. The talk drink of water in the billowing white shirt. He stood in front of a God damn tank. He and his friends, they we’re imitating us or what they thought was us, the heart and soul of the American public.
How can we do less than say, “No! Absolutely No!” to a preselected candidate, to a Party, so cynical, so completely out of touch with its own principles and ours that it spits on more than half the country’s population?
We may lose but not to voice dissent? That’s just plain unAmerican.
That’s my rant for the evening.
I know what you mean. When I started to throw up last night and finally stopped, I realized that I had to commit to stopping Obama. Can you imagine?
McCain needs bigtime help. His call center is lame.
She has been and always will be, my bright and shining light.
I never needed Obama’s hope, I placed my faith, earned and appreciated, in Hillary.
I get your point about ranting and is well made…but I gotta say it serves an immediate purpose in that it validates many of our collective feelings. It’s a balm for our soul and for what bothers many of us most of all…the injustice.
Dammit, that’s why I was a Democrat!
This girl has shed her skin, it’s a new day in my household. Yet I respect and see the need to return to the time-honored method of reason as argument.
After all, it truly is a curse (being right that is).
My former friend told me at the start of all this that people were “tired of the sniping” and wanted bipartisanship, hence, Obama was the ONE.
What’s left now?? He has divided the party and will do a number on McCain, or at least try. We know his tactics now…Obama is a phony and I’m sure the public will get a bellyful of nasty crap from him all during the campaign. Frankly, I think McCain vs. Clinton would have been a lot more civil and enlightening, with a lot less crap being thrown (except for the 527s).
By the way, my “friend” hasn’t talked to me in a month.