The Three Acts of a Stolen Nomination
By Bud White on June 9, 2008 at 6:22 AM in Bloggers, Clinton, DNC, Delegates, Elitism, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John McCain, Keith Olbermann, Misogyny, Obama, Popular Vote, Sexism
The Obamabots are in a panic. Even though he has claimed the nomination still we Hillary supporters have not seen the light. They are in shock that we are not swarming with the masses to the selected one.
On Wednesday, I wrote a defiant post declaring that I would never vote for Obama. An Obamabot, in a comment which I’m sure was pasted elsewhere, asked:
Would you completely disregard women’s reproductive rights allow the US Supreme Court turn ultra-right by allowing Mccain [sic] to win? Do you think he cares about the working class? Really? Do you really want 100 years of war in Iraq? Isn’t 8 years of republican incompetence enough for you?
The answer for me (and for many others) is that I will not condone the misogyny, delegate stealing, and race-baiting from Obama and his people. I am a Democrat precisely to fight against the type of campaign run by Obama. I will not be blackmailed into voting for a candidate whose tactics I find repulsive.
One of the areas I found most repulsive was the pro-male and anti-woman symbolism employed by Obama and the Media.
The heavy use of symbolism in politics — as a substitute for discussing real policy — is sometimes called Kabuki theatre, a type of Japanese drama “in which the actor holds a picturesque pose to establish his character.”
Applied to political drama, for example, John Kerry was shown windsurfing in Republican attack ads, an image used as a symbol of Kerry’s supposed flip flopping and elitism (while Kerry cuts through the surf, a narrator says: ”Kerry voted for the Iraq war, opposed it, supported it, and now opposes it again”).
The Kabuki theatre of this election, as I see it, was the use of violent language and imagery against Hillary, and the Hero Myth journey to represent Obama.
Regrading the violence directed at Hillary, for instance, a reader posted a comment to my blog: “I have been depressed for months, because I’m a woman and the homicidal wishes towards her are also directed at me.”
As the reader suggests, a narrative coming out of this campaign has been the misogynistic killing of Hillary Clinton. Keith Olbermann wanted “somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out,” and Stop Hillary suggested that “Hillary is batshit, Liebercrat crazy. Fuck her with a pitchfork.”
The other narrative, of course, is Obama as fulfilling the Hero Myth. The fantasy of a multi-racial poor boy who makes good, works as a community organizer, and then heads off to Harvard Law — he then returns to slay the dragon (”I am delighted that Barack Obama has finally slain the dragon that is Hilary Clinton,” writes a blogger named Chris Gaskin)
Obama’s pollsters, when they were first trying to develop a theme for his campaign, were shocked but pleased that the needle went off the charts when they presented to focus groups that he was raised by a single mother. It’s no surprise, then, that Obama repeated this many times in both debates and other public forms. What he didn’t mention, of course, is that he grew up in a swanky high rise in Honolulu and attended private schools.
The unrelenting sexism of this campaign has badly wounded Obama, particularly with women, and his advisers know it, indicating that they plan to perpetuate the poor boy myth:
A senior Democratic strategist who backed Mr Obama said that the candidate’s biography – he was raised by a single mother, is married to a strong woman and has two young daughters – would give him potent appeal with female voters.
It’s unlikely that Obama’s mythologized biography will be enough to win over a sufficient number of women, especially since women rightly understand that Obama received fewer votes but was selected as the nominee over a much more qualified woman.
Which brings us to the third act in this Kabuki drama: Obama is an illegitimate nominee. Riverdaughter writes:
Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.
And katiebird concures:
Friends, riverdaughter isn’t alone in her observations: In offices and shopping malls all across the country friends are sharing their impressions of this election. As of today they’re whispering their doubts but, as The Summer of Revelations drags on those whispers will grow bolder.
The word will spread from blog to blog and friend to friend and cubicle to cubicle: The Democratic Nomination was Stolen
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Good Post Bud….In good conscious I cannot vote for Obama as I believe he is a FASCIST. I am using the classic definition of the term. I think the whole primary process was rigged by elites in both parties.
Thanks, Bud. I concur with workingclass artist. BO was rammed down our throats. He will be the new face of Fascism in the US. The oligarchs like Soros, Buffet, Murdoch ad nauseam want an empty, vicious and narcisstic man who will do their bidding. Oh say, like privatizing social security and re-instituting the draft. BO is very dangerous. They think we are stupid sheeple. I will never vote for Barry. Never.
This comment sounds like what they used to do in the Soviet Union:
Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.
The fact that is said in all seriousness is scary. Why not give him zero votes in New York, you know what give him zero votes in Chicago and then you can really beat him. If you think the people of Michigan really intended for him to get zero votes you are a crazy cult person. Only total nut jobs would think something like that.
According to THE RULES you Obamatons claimed Hillary was trying to rewrite…Obama was not entitled to any of those delegates. They are required by THE RULES to go to the convention as UNCOMMITTED! You guys are all for “the rules” when you falsely claim someones trying to break them. But want to throw them all out when it’s proven they were broken to favor your anointed one.
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
Wait, wait… I thought THE RULES said that even pledged delegates can change their mind? I mean, thats what the dead-enders like you have been chanting like a mantra, right? So if they can change, then the rules committee can ask the uncommitted to vote for Mickey Mouse. Thats the great thing about a RULES committee. They set the rules.
Of course, no one had a problem with the rules committee when they, including the hero Harold Ickes, voted to strip Michigan and Florida. Why did he want so badly to take that vote back when it would help his candidate?
Pledged delegates can change their votes if neither candidate has the required number of delegates after the first vote at the convention. But obviously you don’t care about right or wrong, you don’t care about the rules. All you care about is worshiping the racist criminal you call your Obamessiah.
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
Your silly insults such as Obamessiah remind me of the right wing extremists who refer to Hitlery. The reason for them as with you is the facts are not on your side so insult insult insult.
Hilary signed a pledge on September 1, 2007 NOT Seat Florida, Michigan Delegates. What good is a pledge if you ignore it?
Show me in print this so-called pledge.
Are you serious? The “four state pledge” is here http://tinyurl.com/33xllv . It says nothing about which delegates will count or not count in Florida and Michigan. It says nothing about whether a state’s primary will count or not.
The candidates merely pledged not to campaign (or otherwise “participate” in as defined by the Rules) in any states holding a primary or caucus before Super Tuesday, other than Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina.
What good are facts if you’re going to ignore them?
MichelleK
Hillary did NOT sign a pledge to not seat the delegates.
All she signed was a pledge to not campaign in Mich. and Flo.
Obama also signed it, but he ran adds in FLorida.
Obambi did more than just run ads in Florida. He campaigned there as well. In fact, he spoke to Planned Parenthood at my friend’s restaurant in Ft Lauderdale on his way to other campaign stops so it’s total bullshit claiming that he didn’t campaign. He most certainly did and threw a hissy fit over not getting some special bottled water when his advance team never requested it. He was arrogant and rude and totally full of himself. He could give the scripted speech well, but when he had to take questions, he couldn’t handle it well. I think he’s getting answers through his little earpiece that is alleged to be for security reasons, a la Bush in the debates with Gore and Kerry. Remember the box seen under his suitcoat and the earpiece? I sure remember and the unbelievable answers, too. Obambi is just like Bush, and twice as empty.
If anyone else is as fed up and disgusted with DNC politics as usual, come check us out and join us at newwomensparty@yahoogorups.com. we welcome all disenfranchised voters.
Not to Campaign igit…
Your Messiah did not want a revote, peiod. He initially withdrew in Michigan because a)he was trailing by 20 points in the polls, and b)he wanted to curry favor with IA and NH.
Hillary wanted a revote, ObamaMessiah did not want to see the results of a MI and FL revote.
All of that was made crystal clear when the Rules Committee itself violated its own rules by not following the bylaws to the
letter. Instead the DNC made it appear that because it listened to the backroom shady pro-Obama state officials that the will of the people was followed.
It couldn’t be further from the truth and with all day coverage and research online, to try and pull the wool over everyone watching is, dare I say it, the audacity, arrogance and chutzpah ever rendered. Obama and the DNC are an utter disgrace to representational democracy and the rule of law.
POdVet did you do a 180 or did someone still your identity. I apologize for comments directed at you yesterday if that is the case.
I just assume it’s the bot stealing identities.
if the post doesn’t insult Obama in some way..it’s not me
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
You are the nut job because you don’t realize that if the rules had been applied according to what the rules say from the beginning, only half of the delegates would have been discounted from the start and Obama would have gotten zero delegates because HE VOLUNTARILY removed his name from the ballot. The fact that he decided to do that is no one’s fault but his own. You all talk about the RULES, but neglect to observe that the RULES would have mandated such a result.
Wow, you really can whine, very impressive. Wah Wah, reminds me of my 1 year old.
Call it what you want, MichelleK, but you were WRONG, and sound pretty whiney yourself in your statement above, but like a good Obama supporter, accountability is for suckers.
MichelleK and her ilk are just here to infuriate Hillary supporters so that they can continue to cast blame upon her for whatever the future holds for the object of their affection.
I would remind them that it’s called “INTEGRITY”. Not rolling over on you’re friends when a newer model arrives.
Don’t waste any of your good time trying to refute them. As the GOOD BOOK says, “Thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools”
That pretty much sums this whole thing up!
Yes and then when Obambi loses in a landslide, they have a built in scapegoat so Obamabi doesn’t have to be at fault for anything, or account for any o fhis own actions that have sent Democrats away in droves. Apparently Pelosi, Reid, Dean and Rahm Emmanuelle don’t remember the last time the party split and there was a massive walkout at the national convention. The DNC has never really recovered and it looks like there may be another lethal blow to the DNC. You’d think they’d ahve learned tha tlesson, but maybe they are so used to losing, it’s all they kno whow to do, is start acting like GOP in order to steal elections. I say let’s unseat every SD who votes for Obama.
Even worse, Obama obstructed any possibility of redoing both the Mich and FLA votes while there was still time. Clinton campaign even offered to pay for these revotes and Obama dug in and did not let this happen.
If it were the Soviet Union, you wouldn’t be allowed to post such a comment.
Your comment is not erased, you are not bullied.
Hillary supporters are SO NOT like Obamabots!
You are exactly right workingclassartist. That is one of the many reasons I will never vote for him either.
If people don’t like the word “facism” they can still accept the Obama campaign was demogoguery, the likes of which we have not seen since McCarthyism.
Bush also had a facist agenda demanding totaly fealty or else one risked total disenfranchisement. This is exactly what was demanded by the Obama campaign. When a top operative had no trouble describing Hillary Clinton as a “monster” you know this attitude came from the top down.
The final insult of insults now is demanding Hillary work full time for Obama and if she does not get all her supporters to back Obama, she will be blamed for his defeat. Hillary could get on her knees begging me and I will never vote for Obama.
What happened in his campaign goes so far beyond any feeling of party loyalty or sense of personal duty to Clinton that I owe the Obama campaign and the Democrats nothing. They created this mess all on their own. And now they have to live with the mess they created.
Yes, the destruction of Hillary Clinton by her own party to whom she devoted her life to, had the stench of facism and I want no further part of it.
It is not McCain who will be Bush McSame, but Obama who practices Bush’s same my way or the highway tactics. He can’t even bring his own party together. What a mockery to think he can do anything more outside the party. He peaked after his essentially unopposed “string of 11 (red) state victories” and he started losing ground from that point on.
Facism was on evident display with his jack-booting the meaningless caucuses. There was no base to generate storm-trooping minor state caucuses and why the Dem Party and the super-delegates could not see this is beyond my comprehension. This is no longer my party. They can do what they want with it and their “rules”.
Under the old “winner take all” delegate allocation rules, Clinton long ago would have been the clear winner and all this nonsense could have been avoided. If Obama had played a smarter game he maybe could have walked away with a VP slot on the Clinton ticket.
But his arrogance demanding only the top spot at any cost will cost the Dems one more lost opportunity and it will have his name writting on it and his name only. Setting up the blame Clinton scenario already for his expected defeat in November shows also a party I want no further part of.
Yes, let’s look at his record of accomplishments:
Divided the party by age, pitting young Democrats against old.
Divided the party by gender, pandering to a mob mentality that I didn’t even know existed.
Divided the country by race, retrograding the Democratic Party into a race-based divide we had hoped had been painstakingly put behind.
Divided the country by class, pitting elite against working class.
Divided the country by his believers and those that prefer to hope real change is possible, but don’t think faith in Obama is the answer.
Now the Uniter demands we unite behind his divisive ass. I could never support someone who has done as much damage to the party and to the country as this candidate already has.
Vaguely off topic - perhaps - but I continue to be amazed by how Obama financially manipulated this campaign and I am certain it was done by the use of money to others. However, on Heide Li’s site, I find the following and I am certain she is correctly quoting:
according to current federal law, no candidate committee (e.g. Hillary Clinton for President) may contribute more than $1000 to any other candidate’s committee. (This is why Senator Obama can only “help” Senator Clinton eliminate debt by issuing a fundraising appeal on her behalf - just as her campaign cannot contribute more than $1000 to Senator Obama’s, his campaign cannot donate more than that to hers.)
We have seen lists of donations to other candidates and I would love to have that special someone - Larry?, Susan? - help me understand how he is so flagarantly ignorning the campaign law. Or have I gotten confused?
of course the nomination was stolen.
Just go back to august, when the RBC stripped Florida of its delegates. This was based on an RBC staff recommendation — a recommendation that went well beyond what the rules called for.
But here’s the kicker — the RBC staff is charged with evaluating all aspects of a state’s delegate selection plan — e.g. the plan must provide for a ‘fair reflection’ of the vote taken, nust meet Affirmative Action requirements, etc.
Bus, based on its recommendation, the RBC staff did not evauluate the rest of Florida’s delegate selection plan. Even if one assimes that the RBC had the discretionary power to impose the 100% penalty, the staff is not empowered to impose it, and was obligated to evaluate all aspects of Florida’s plan. But they didn’t do their job…. and no one said a word about it.
I think he’s a fascist, too. Jonah Goldberg wrote about it in TNR and his book elaborates on the phenomenon. It is a right wing ideology but it needs a youth-driven, grassroots organization coming from the left. It’s like a hurricane when these perfect storm conditions exist.
Globally speaking of course the conditions are ripe and the sweep of FASCISM may begin in this hemisphere…..
Yeah, Jonah Goldberg, there’s a reliable source.
Don’t need Goldberg to tell us he is a cult leader,and cults in all forms can do dangerous things, ie hijack a major national party and run it into the ground head first. And if elected, God help us, ruin the brand of Democratic politics for decades.
What distinguishes Goldberg from the Sean Hannitys and Michael Savages is a witty intelligence that deals in ideas as well as insults — no mean feat in the nasty world of the culture wars. Sure, Goldberg hates liberals and calls them nazis about 25,000 X in his book. After reading Huff Po, I would agree.
“… quoting the Port Huron Statement doesn’t really change what the radicals did in the streets when they were actually fighting, when they were blowing things up, when they were supporting the Black Panthers, who wanted to assassinate police, when they were taking over universities. The fact that they said they were in favor of peace and Marxism is almost meaningless when compared to their actual actions, and their actions were fascistic.”
His book (I only read his articles) argues that it is liberalism, not conservatism, that embraces what he claims is the fascist ideal of perfecting society through a powerful state run by omniscient leaders. And it is liberals, not conservatives, who see government coercion as the key to getting things done. Even the international crowd sees a nationalistic sentiment when approaching trade or community development. Corporate sovereignty was established through our Fourteenth Amendment. The Davos crowd who really want to get beyond issues of sovereignty so they can organize and guide the planet on issues like global warming, invest a lot more in the U.N. is coming from the left, and it is a nationalistic impulse.
Never forget, there will be an asterisk by his name forever in the books should he pull this off in August.
The argument that Obama has a strong wife and two daughters actually proves the point. Would it be okay for his wife and daughters to be referred to as b*tches and wh*res? What kind of message is he sending to his wife and daughters to have a song played “I got 99 Problems and a B*tch Ain’t One”? Does that send a pro-female message?
Apparently his wife and daughters are only important when they want to use them to sway female voters. Otherwise he’s for an anti-female message. Flip-flop.
We women are gone and we’re not coming back to our abuser. Deal with it.
If I had only one word to describe the Obama campaign it would be “abusive.”
This phase is even more disturbing. It’s like a rapist saying, “Come on baby, you know you liked it” or a wife beater saying, “I wouldn’t have hit you if you hadn’t made me mad.”
Nothing is their fault. The feelings of those they have hurt aren’t legitimate. They expect no consequence for their actions. I never thought I’d live to see the day. Registered Independent and not going back.
I changed (after 45 yrs) to Ind as soon as the DNC decided to
continue their disenfranchisement of FL and MI then gifted BHO with
all those delegates that didn’t belong to him plus 4 that had been
earned by someone else so that he would be able to make his
declaration at his planned rally on Tues–”selected not elected” just
like W in 2000–careful all you 3rd partyers and write ins, you’re
reducing the McCain landslide we need to teach the arrogant Big Dems
who expected us all to ‘fall into line’ the lesson they need to learn
Arab men don’t value their women: mothers, wives, daughters. They are lower in value than their camels. That is why they have honor killings.
Let us proclaim again to the whole world that ,“women’s rights are human rights, human rights are women’s rights” Hillary Clinton, Beijing, 1995.
I felt that the attacks, the vitriol and the disrespect addressed to Hillary were also addressed to me.
Yes, that could have been any woman being attacked. Including you, me and Obama girl type Obama supporters.
The threat of overturning reproductive rights is NOTHING compared to the threat of having a left wing greedy immoral lying pandering Muslim and white hating rabid wife as POTUS. That is the opinion of all of the people I know, and we are not blue collar,gun toting rednecks.
Ah, so this is the youth’s New World Order??
This whole Obama phenom is dirty on both sides and with the unsavory friends of O’s that keep showing up it’s beginning to feel like a plot against America in big ways. And what group is easier to use and exploit?
This is getting worse by the minute.
NOBAMA!
Let’s not paint with too broad a brush though, not all young people support Barack Obama, Hillary won theyouth vote in several important states, including Massachusetts, California, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Puerto Rico. We young people in Hillary’s camp are just the rational, more logical kids. The Obama Youth, which outnumber us by a lot, the young people supporting Hillary, are the ones that usually can’t think on their own to well, usually have security issues, and have a sense of entitlement to revolution of some kind and a sense that their parents get them whatever they want.
Didn’t mean to paint with broad brush. Sorry for that. Thank goodness for youth who do think with their heads. If Obama wins I fear for their future though.
The scary thing is that they outnumber us soooo much, and you are right, it is the easiest group to manipulate.
I agree fully. Same with the older ones - too busy clinging to their good book. They would support a candidate who voted to impeach Bill over (without saying it) the black guy.
The Kabuki Theater metaphor is good, but I tend to think of it more as “Kukla, Fran, and Ollie” theater (guess I’m dating myself, huh?). You remember that show - 2 foolish male puppets and a real woman. The puppets weren’t really all that cute, but Fran always taught them a lesson and set them straight.
It’s the democracy, stupid.
paul lukasiak started posting at Table Talk. I remember him from The Great National Satyr Play.
a lot has happened since then.
he is a detail guy.
this is a salute.
Paul has an important post re stolen nomination at
http://www.correntewire.com/rbc_violations_of_dnc_charter_sunshine_provisions
That was was a well written artical Bud White…
I am a fan of Kabuki theatre especially the sound of the music….LOL
Thanks
I hadn’t thought of the hero journey meme. I need to think about that. Verrrrryy interesting. . .
I’m convinced that the nominee selection process was rigged from the early days because the DNC and Dem party leaders saw the money Obama was bringing in. Period. It was all about the MONEY. He can provide for Democrats running races; he can provide money for campaign war chests for superdelegates, candidates and the party. It was rigged for him, too, because the party leaders feared the GOP’s meme that Hillary would drive Republicans to the polls to vote for Republicans. Obama’s campaign used those narratives to frighten Dem party leaders into colluding in a fraudulent, rigged nominee selection process.
Hey, politics ain’t beanbag.
They got a little worried when Clinton came back and won the big swing states throughout March, April, May. But, they capitulated in the interest of the MONEY, and the “droves” of new youth registrations they saw, as well. And, they designed their new WESTERN STRATEGY to counter the old “Southern Strategy” of the GOP. We heard rumors of it long before the campaign began–”they’re going to stop competing for the South altogether,” “the Democrats are going to ‘write-off’ the South…”
Well, we’ll see if their general election designs work, if the money won them over to Obama, if the youth voter numbers shocked and awed them into submission, if the MONEY won them to Obama. Maybe they will be proved right, maybe not.
But, I won’t be voting for Obama because I won’t collude in their strategy to fix the nomination process; I won’t collude in their arbitrary rules applications to FL, MI, IA, NH, SC. If I go along with it, then the precedent is set; I can’t do that to this party.
So, I won’t be voting for Obama, because to do so would mean I agree with their electoral fraud. I actually became a Democrat when the Republicans stole the election in 2000 under a coup d’etat at SCOTUS. How could I possibly collude in the very same act by the Democratic Party?
I cannot. So, I won’t be voting for Obama. Because now, Obama represents the DNC, and is the product of electoral fraud. He is illegitimate as a nominee.
If you are correct and it’s all about money then it certainly isn’t about Democracy and the Declaration of Independence has a GREAT remedy for that!
What the Constitution doesn’t do is establish political parties. Political parties must conform to the election laws set by the Constitution not the other way around.
Sorry Larry,
I disagree totally. It would be extremely worse to have a President McCain.
I will vote for Obama. I do not think he will win though. Sad to say all the racists aren’t dead yet.
God, I don’t know what’s worse - a BO presidency, where every opposition or dissent will be chalked up to “racism,”…. or the 6 months of “analysis” about how racist America must be because we didn’t elect the black guy for President.
Because it’s NEVER about Obama, right? He can never lose because he’s a bad candidate with bad associations. He’s either “not known enough,” or, “them’s be racists in them thar hills,” or, “Fox News.”
Sigh.
It’s so childish of people to say that the refusal to vote from Obama must stem from racism as opposed to adherence to higher democratic principles. I would love to vote for him just because he is Black. Really, I would, but I can’t bring myself to do so in light of the coerciveness of the media and the Dem elites. I have thought about it so many times. Elect a Black president and allow the symbolism to prevail over reality. Color doesn’t always equal right (unless you are talking about right wing - i.e. Clarence Thomas).
Substitute ’sexism’ for ‘racism’ and Obama with Hillary. Sound familiar?
Sad to say all the racists aren’t dead yet.
What a lovely thought! This is the heart of Obama’s unity message.
… but then what about all the sexists?!!
Sexists don’t count. Obamabots and the RBC and MSM keep proving that. Most families today have mixed race families- I have a Korean grandson, black/white neices and nephews …this is so not about Race. (My grandson thinks he and I are twins..LOL!) But as we’ve all seen there has been nothing logical about any of this. Truth and honesty left in 2000…
Sexism is the most insidious of global prejudices….Many women ae in complete denial of it….( sigh )
IMHO….It is also the oldest prejudice and sanctioned by many religions/cultures that are based in Paternalism.
I agree. And why the Obamabots ignore that is such a hypocrisy in his campaign. Maybe they really believe we are the weaker sex and won’t fight back.
Let’s prove them wrong!
NOBAMA!
Damn right NOBAMA!
That they so frequently resort to calling anyone that doesn’t support their “one” is a sign they got nothin.
Bad thing about the whole deal with calling everyone that doesn’t agree with “racists” is that people are soooo tired of being called racist when they are not, that they really won’t care a whole lot when the actual racism rears it’s ugly head.
If sexism is fine in this country then why not all they other ugly isms?
Oh and every time some Obamacrat whines about some nasty media hit my response will be, “where was your outrage when another Democrat was being smeared”? Oh that’s right, they were a part of it.
I’ve been repeatedly saying HRC supporters should “greet” Michelle at her public appearances with similar comments and misogynistic hate speech to let her get a dose of what they did to HRC and all women hourly. And I’ll tell you, Obambi has shown he is very sensitive about how Michelle is treated. And since they put hate speech on the table, I think Michelle should get a good dose of it everywhere she goes. You people want to see Obambi have a total meltdown? Do a few “greet” sessions and he will go nuclear. I promise he really, really will. And they deserve it after all they did to HRC and all women in America.
Like all those racists at Trinity, right?
Why is it that Obama supporters always blame racism when their candidate loses. It couldn’t possibly be because he is a terrible candidate.
The racism in this contest has come from the Obama camp with their race-baiting tactics.
Obama will lose because he is unfit to be President, not because he is black.
Okay, Obama supporters, who has done more for minorities–the Clintons or the Obamas? Who did the Obama supporters paint as racists–the Clintons? It will be a cold day in Hell before I vote for Obama, the one with the real problems.
Actually, I think we’re voting against the white half which seems to be more than a little sexist.
If it was just about a black candidate there are plenty I would vote for over Obama or McCain but somehow they never seem to make it very far in the nomination process. And I really like Congresswomen Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Sheila Jackson Lee and don’t tell me they aren’t as “experienced” a candidate as Barack Obama because Tubbs Jones has been in Congress for 10 years and Jackson Lee has 13 years experience. So why first term senator Obama rather than a candidate like one of these Congresswomen?
Not to mention these two dynamic women have more integrity in their little fingers than Obambi in his whole body. There are more women then men in this country. I think women should band together and boot the men out of office and let women run this country. I can’t think of any area where a women could do any worse than the current pResident Select disaster. And now the DNC wants to give us another illegitimate pResident Select? I don’t think so DNC.
I see this as a generation trying to hold on to relevancy while a younger generation seizes the reigns and moves on.
I would have loved to see Hillary Clinton as president. I think I will see her sworn into office in my lifetime. But alas, not this time. We have gotten way too used to dire, paranoid rantings when we don’t get our way in this country. Everyone who beats our candidate is a fascist and somehow took what was rightfully ours by nefarious means. I have to say that it is the crazy fucking repukes that started this kind of thinking. But we have all embraced it.
I say we need to buck up and be sports and see how this all plays out. Shit, if we can survive George W. Bush for 8 years, surely we can survive Barack Obama, who at least has very similar goals and ideals as Senator Clinton.
Sorry I don’t trust Obama simply by the campaign’s tactics. None of that is like Hillary. How any woman will go back to the abuse and become a submissive partner in crime is beyond me..Sorry Lisa. Sometimes other principles are more important.
Hmmmm…..Lisa exactly what are the conditions used for judging relevancy
Is this due to age ? This reminds me so much of don’t trust anyone over 30 that it is laughable….And those that are running his campaign in the democratic elite are the very ones that engineered that illusion….
OH THE IRONY….
“I say we need to buck up and be sports and see how this all plays out. Shit, if we can survive George W. Bush for 8 years, surely we can survive Barack Obama, who at least has very similar goals and ideals as Senator Clinton.”
I say if we can survive Bush for 8 years, we can survive President McCain for 4.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Dems_Who_Will_Not_Vote_For_Obama/index.html
We, the Democrats of the USA, refuse to vote for Barack Obama, if he is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, because of the mainstream medias’ failure to make public the following failures and inconsistencies of Barack Obama.
The media portrays him as some sort of messiah/Jesus Christ figure who is going to rescue us by a wave of his hand, a John F. Kennedy re-incarnated, a perfect, squeaky clean candidate, who has never done a thing wrong in his entire life. Anyone who says a minor thing against him, even if it is self-admitted, is called a racist. The mainstream media will not cover ANY story that portrays Obama in a negative light, (most notably MSNBC on-airs) while having a field day, 24/7, on Hillary Clinton. Not only Hillary Clinton, but her husband, her daughter, her past, her present, her campaign, her campaign staff, her husband’s administration and any story that portrays her in any possible negative light.
-He falsely accused the Clinton campaign, specifically President Bill Clinton, of race baiting. When it was the Obama campaign, specifically himself, his wife and Oprah Winfrey who started the race baiting. It continues to this day with people like Jesse Jackson Jr. threatening violence and rioting if he does not receive the nomination. His wife has said publicly she doesn’t think she could support Senator Clinton, Obama himself has said his supporters would not support Senator Clinton, his wife has said ‘black people should wake up’, she wanted to ‘rip Bill Clinton’s eyes out’and Oprah has opined to Southern crowds in a suddenly heavy Southern accent all about Dr. King’ dream, which had nothing to do with electing a black man president of the United States. THIS is playing the race card.
-Since the Democratic Party cannot seem to run it’s own agenda correctly, we have open primaries across the country. It is now a known fact that Republicans have crossed over in record numbers to vote for Obama to ‘keep the Clintons out of the White House’. The blame for this lies squarely on the shoulders of Howard Dean and the DNC. Hillary Clinton has received most of the votes of the Democrats, while Obama receives the thumbs up from most of the Republicans.
-Many things in his books, ‘Dreams Of My Father’, and ‘The Audacity of Hope’, are simply not true. His ‘career’ is sketchy to say the least, including making sure he ran un-opposed in races to his suspect meteoric rise in Illinois. He rams NAFTA down Hillary Clinton’s throat, when in fact he voted to EXPAND NAFTA. He claims his association with indicted criminal Tony Rezko was simply a friendship, when we all know now it was much, much more. His refusal to distance himself from Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, who has endorsed him. Obama ‘distances’ himself, but continues to call him MINISTER Farrakhan, and refuses to denounce his racism and militant anti-Semitism.
-He has absolutely no experience to be Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States and President of the United States.
-Obama is a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Many have descibed this church in terms of ’separatist’, ‘in some cases, even drawing comparisons to a cult’, ’scary doctrine’, ’something that you’d see in more like a cult or an Aryan Brethren Church or something like that.’ The pastor or ex-pastor (depends on who you listen to) Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright is an interesting character, who holds bizarre, racial and anti-semitic views. The church’s mantra and belief system is :
‘We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.’
The church has a ‘non-negotiable commitment to Africa,’ according to its website, and its pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. subscribes to what is called the Black Value System.
While the Black Value System includes such items as commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to ‘our racist competitive society’ and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of ‘middle-classness’ and a pledge of allegiance to ‘all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.’ It defines ‘middle-classness’ as a way for American society to ’snare’ blacks rather than ‘killing them off directly’ or ‘placing them in concentration camps,’ just as the country structures ‘an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.’
Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. He has been attending Wrights’ church regularly since 1988.
-Collusion between Howard Dean and the Obama campaign, via Halperin’s Time blog: “Obama-DNC Fundraising Deal.” “Democratic sources tell The Page the Land of Lincolner and DNC plan to file a joint fundraising agreement soon that will allow donors to give simultaneously to his campaign and the national party. no
Sorry, I’m 26 and I know a lot better than most “older” BO supporters eager to see my generation “seize the reigns of power” and decide the presidential election that as a group on whole, we don’t know jack shite.
We need instant gratification. We want 100k right out of college, and we don’t want to wait for ANYTHING, including “seizing power” before we’re ready.
Quite frankly, MY generation NEEDS a Barack Obama DEFEAT to learn some valuable lessons in humility, patience, respect, and REALITY.
So…. thanks, but no thanks!
West Palm….I’m Obama’s age….chuckle….We are the Dazed and Confused Generation…..I would’nt vote for anyone from my generation for POTUS….It’s that damned New Math you see….I say Obama has to do a Math Test and a History test….and a GEOGRAPHY TEST….chuckle….
You might want to fond a copy of a great (bad) classic movie about the Youth Culture and politics called, “Wild in the Streets.”
Probably VHS only. Was not a box office Biggie. But not too bad, once you get over wanting to hurl over Jan-Michael Vincent’s performance.
And typing.
And typing. You women know wgat I mean. No matter what job you are up for, they want a typing test. I always just told them “I don’t type”.
LOL. I’m surprised they didn’t demand Hillary take a typing test. I mean, sure she can be commander in chief, but CAN SHE TYPE?
Lisa, you are example A of ‘absolute stupidity’, not a little stupid, way way stupid.
This summarizes your thinking: Oh lets just see how an inexperienced, corrupt, malleable, drugged-up, black man that LIES does it - couldn’t be in worst than the worst president in history, huh?
You know what’s really scary. I honestly think I could take Bush before I could Obama. The unknowns with Obama are just too much to chance.
Lisa,
I was once a huge supporter of George McGovern. By way of the youth vote, I decided to drop out of my freshman year at college and campaign for him full time and we campaigned hard. There was no way in hell Nixon was going to take this election. We filled Candlestick Park, The Corn Palace, The Astrodome and Shae Stadium to name just a few. This is déjà vu all over for me except for one thing. The behavior of the DNC, Mr. Obama’s position on the issues or the lack thereof and the behavior of Obama’s supporters. Nothing against Mr. Obama personally as I like him. It is my humblest opinion however that he simply is not qualified to lead this country at this time. This is somewhat akin to a private Cessna pilot wanting to fly a 747. I’m sure with enough instruction, he would do just fine but this isn’t about flying planes. This is about Chief Executive of our Nation. At this point I will throw my vote to McCain if Hillary does not coalesce some type of argument that the DNC will hear and reverse themselves with a huge apology to Hillary and her supporters, me.
W. A.
lisa,
nfw. Sorry, I did my research, starting with Political Economy of Black America. Afrocentrism is as dangerous as facism. Blaming caucasians for the inability of the aa community to lift themselves up is not the message of MLK.
BO would be worse than GWB.
Honey, you’re out of your mind if you think Obambi has similar goals. On what do you base that opinion? He has no past of any substance to base such a statement upon. How do you justify “sucking it up” to support a man with less experience in business, management skills, or government service than even George W Bush? And reemmber he opposes Impeachment of Bush or Cheney. The only reason I can think of for such a stand is he plans to abuse all that seized power to reshape this country in his image. Blacks have been saying for months he’s going to put them above whites. Obambi stated in his speech last Sept 30th to the Chicago urban League that as a State Senator and as a US Senator, he’d been putting black busineses first and would continue that practice if elected president. He’s already admitting to commiting the crime of violating feeral anti-discrimination laws. what on earth would make you think he’s capable of fairness or equality? I have NO CONFIDENCE in him whatsoever. At least McCain won’t promote one segment of society based on race over all the rest of us. Is this really how you see America’s future, the result of a sportsmanship game?
I can’t imagine being a Hillary supporter and leaving her campaign for McCain!? Are you nutz? Did you not listen to Sen. Clinton’s farewell speech? Do you not want the war to END???
Chuck, it is a mistake to think that the War in Iraq will end soon no matter who is in office….We will be based there for a long time.
A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not “rule out” using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in. Obama’s campaign says that instead he will focus on bringing accountability to these forces while increasing funding for the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the agency that employs Blackwater and other private security contractors. (Hillary Clinton’s staff did not respond to repeated requests for an interview or a statement on this issue.)
Obama’s broader Iraq withdrawal plan provides for some US troops to remain in Iraq–how many his advisers won’t say. But it’s clear that Obama’s “follow-on force” will include a robust security force to protect US personnel in Iraq, US trainers (who would also require security) for Iraqi forces and military units to “strike at Al Qaeda”–all very broad swaths of the occupation.
He is going to need them in Africa.
Hilllary has said she would get rid of the mercenaries - don’t really blame her campaign for not wanting to tlak to The Nation about it, given that they have been in the tank for Obama. Did they happen to criticize Obama’s position on this at all. Just sayin’.
Chuck
What did you expect Clinton who is a lifelong democrat to say? Did you really think she would say, I can’t support Obama vote for McCain? Please don’t Clinton’s speech to try and sway us, it won’t work. Unlike many O supporters, we know the drill. Party first– country second.
Obama said we would be out of Iraq in 16 months, then his advisors told the BBC to ignore that plan, that he wouldn’t be using a plan he had made before the election.
In a debate, he told us that he would re-invade Iraq if Al Queda reestablished itself there. DOes anyone believe that Al Queda won’t be in Iraq when we leave, that they won’t re-establish themsleves there?
Obama has told everyone that we are NOT leaving Iraq. You may not have listened well, but he let us all know that.
In an interview with a foreign journalist (you tube available) Obama adviser, Samantha Powers, answered the interviewers repeated question about pull out from iraq as follows: Obama does NOT have to keep any promises he made on the campaign trail. She stated that the situation may be different once he is president and gets news and intelligence he does not see currently.
I believe that, given his position in keeping Blackwater etc., Obama will not only stay in Iraq, he will build long term bases which will be used to launched the promised attackes on Pakistan, incursions into Afghanistan, and other military operations possibly in Africa.
We will not see a pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
I can’t imagine being a Hillary supporter and leaving her to vote for Obama after all the denigrating and sexist comments he directed toward her. At least McCain doesn’t insult her or her supporters. And, in this crazy 2008 election that counts in McCain’s favor.
Obambi is already backpeddling on hi spromise to end the war anytime soon. His biggest campaign contributors are war profiteers. He’s just lying and telling you fools what you want/need to hear to put him in office and then he’s going to laugh in your faces. Obambi continues to demonstrate he has NO INTEGRITY. He sold America out long ago! The only way to stop him is voting for McCain and unseat all the SD’s who voted for him against the choice of their constituents.
This person on Pandagon said it perfectly:
We are simply seeing a deep seated truth about people played out before our eyes. That truth is that it is easier to be generous and politically a risk taker at a distance than it is up close–its easier to fight for civil rights when someone else’s ox is gored than your own, its easier to push for busing in someone else’s city than yours, its easier to say you will vote for someone not of your ethnic group when the choice doesn’t seem to involve any sacrifice of privilige. I think a lot of liberal white people have falsley congratulated themselves on their disinterested and non racist liberalism as long as they could still experience the privilige of being the leaders and they are truly shocked and frightened by the still undigested realism of a new movement towards equality that isn’t white led and white dominated. Just like there were a lot more men advocating for women’s rights before women actually seized control of what that would mean and who would get invited to talk at conferences or run for office.
Here we go with the racism again. They just can’t resist.
Guilt tripping whites over racism only works on liberals. It does not work on anyone else. The Republicans and independent will laugh at you, if you try this strategy on them.
Huh?
Lisa,
The author better check his facts.
Lisa, I don’t normally respond to Obamabots, but in your case, I’m going to have to cling to my relevancy.
The generations you dismiss as not being “generous” were the generations that undertook race integration. Their kids were bussed. They missed out on government jobs, promotions scholarships and internships for affirmative action. Their oxen where gored. They were called racist and they indeed had to confront their own racism. Finally, we have gotten to a place in this country where we were ready to move forward together.
It wasn’t about race, it was about the worry the American people have regarding our government and our country. If government derives its legitimacy from the people it governs, why can’t we get our government to govern in our interests? This was what our country stood for; Government of, by and for the people. Not government of, by and for international corporations and a wealth elite, which is what your “new movement towards equality that isn’t white led and white dominated” means, isn’t it? Us old, irrelevant disposable units just can’t see the beauty of your new world order, can we? Maybe we see too clearly who pays the price for these visions and ambitions. Maybe you should stop placing the shadow on us and ask yourself the details of your “moving on” before we all have to live with the consequences.
What was proven this election is that women candidates are still second class citizens. Apply your logic to the Women’s Movement started in 1848.
Your ending statement,
“…there were a lot more men advocating for women’s rights before women actually seized control of what that would mean and who would get invited to talk at conferences or run for office.”
says it all. The negative connotation of “seized control”, “invited to talk at conferences”,”or run for office”!
Women make up more than half the population and yet they are still expected to get permission from the men? Is this why the Democratic commission took votes away from Clinton and gave them to Obama? Because she didn’t get their permission and approval?? Are you saying that white men have decided it’s the black candidate’s turn and the female candidate didn’t wait her turn?
Is it really that simple that, in spite of a Constitutional amendment giving women the same right to vote as men of all races, women are still expected to be subservient?
Mawm, we are discussing the primary and the rift between Democrats.
You are clearly an idiot whose vote no one wants.
I’ve been a Democrat since 1988. I have NEVER voted for a Republican.
I will vote John McCain because I refuse to let Obama take the party down.
Is that on topic for you?
The race-baiting by Obama camp was the first of many reasons that made me vow to defeat him. Race baiting does not belong in the Democratic party, the party of civil rights.
Lastly, I am not an idiot, and if you think Obama can win without me, and people like me then it is YOU who are an idiot.
Way to go, Mawm.
“…whose vote no one wants?” THIS is why Obama will lose. If they continue to think they can win the election without the longtime Democratic base, they have another thing coming (I am an independent). This condescending attitude he and his supporters have will be the downfall of the party. Go ahead and win without us (snark). Demographically NOT POSSIBLE.
allimom99…I saw a lot of Ron Paul signs in your neck of the woods…
Very few BO signs…
And what do the BO Boneheads think? Nuts.
Lisa honay,
Here are the facts…
Obama and his wife are racist anti-americans with an unknown agenda.
I would vote for Harold Ford Jr. in a slick second.
Weren’t there 4 other states that ran their primary out of order that did not get punished? I dont suppose that they favored Obama in any way…
Three states and yes, they went for Obambi and were favored that way. It was skewered to favor Obambi from day one. He was Pelosi’s, Dean’s, Reid’s and Emanuelle’s pick from day one. Anyone but a Clinton. Our ONLY twice elected, two term popular Democratic former President and First Lady who have helped anyone who needed it to raise money and NOW they want to kick them to the curb? They are all stupid and no longer represent America’s interests or preferences. They think it’s acceptable to selectively pick and choose what parts of the Constitution to uphold and enforce, they ignore mandates, they refuse to listen to their own constituents, and they fail to obey their own oaths of offices. Who needs failed leaders and non-responsive repesentatives who are too busy war profiteering to end it once and for all?
Chuck:
I heard every word of the speech, thank you very much. Hillary is doing what she has to to have a chance at another run. We all knew they would force her into this. But I also know that John McCain is not a right-winger. He’s doing what he has to as well. As president he will have to contend with a Democratic Congress, so no sweat on the appointment of the likes of Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, etc.
As for the war, BO won’t be pulling out the troops as quickly as he said he would. Samantha Power was actually telling the real policy position on ending the war when she said he would not make a decision based on a campaign “commitment.” He will have “advisors” that he will consult with and decide what to do based on the situation on the ground AT THAT TIME! So accept that we will still be in Iraq for quite some time.
Obviously you don’t really get that we mean it when we say we won’t vote for BO. No means NO.
Actually, I saw FAR MORE sexism coming from the Clinton camp. From James Carville commenting on Hillary’s ‘cajones’, to the union leader describing her as having “testicular fortitude”, to the governor using the pejorative “pansy”. . . Also, there was an attempt to paint Obama as effeminate, on the part of the Clinton camp.
ALL of these statements equated testicles, or manliness, with power and ability to lead. In addition, they paint femininity with weakness (or inability to lead). Clinton’s advisors took this sexism one step further and tried to paint her as the “real man” compared to Obama! Imagine if Obama’s camp had made these types of statements! Compared to the unintentional sexism of the “claws come out” comment, these types of sexist comments from Clinton’s camp were OVERT!
Look, there’s no denying that sexism exists and pervades our culture, but Clinton herself tried to cynically used cultural sexism to her advantage, something the Obama camp did not do. . .
Obama supporters think trashing Clinton will make us all see the light.
Wow, Clinton was the one being sexist? I see now. You are right.
Yeah, that’ll make me run right out and get my Obama yard sign. I don’t think so.
This is but a tiny fraction of what we heard constantly from the media, and Obambi’s surrogate attack dog - preachers from his church. Don’t even try to go that route. And not ONE member of the Democratic controlled Congress or the DNC spoke out against it. Youought to be ashamed to com ehre and post that driveling regurgitated excrement! How dare you? How dare you?
There are thousands more examples of the overwhelming, blatant misogynistic hate speech. Just substitute Obamabi for HRC’s names and the whole country would be in race riots if no one in the entire Democratically controlled Congress or DNC spoke out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM&feature=related
Imagine if Obama’s camp had made these kind of statements? We don’t have to “imagine” it.
Don’t make me laugh. BO and his surrogates said far, far worse things about Hillary, constantly and relentlessly. Obviously you weren’t listening, but don’t worry, we were.
Besides, it’s true: Hillary is ten times the man that skinny, whiny, foppish snot-nose will ever be.
I agree with katiebird completely.
It was hijacked by the DNC.
Excellent analysis as always Bud.
Obama is not only an illegitimate nominee and he probabely was raised by a single mother, who was never legally married to the man who sired Obama. Several researchers have tried to find the records of Obama’s divorce from his first wife Kezia to no avail. When obama visited Kenya he was surprised to learn he had six half brothers and sisters born to four different mothers, meaning Obama Sr had children from five different wives. BO’s pop was a polygamist. No wonder BO has no respect for women, and probabely not for himself either.
Mawm: We will see how important you are “and the people like you” (vile, race baiting, bottom feeders) are.
You have no principles. If you had any, you would vote Democratic. After all, it is the party and its principles that is the most important.
We have a plan to build a strong, respected America: protecting our people, rebuilding our alliances,
and leading the way to a more peaceful and prosperous world. We have a plan to build a strong, growing economy: creating good jobs, rewarding hard work, and restoring fiscal discipline.
We have a plan to help our people build strong, healthy families: securing quality health care, offering
world-class education, and ensuring clean air and water. And we will honor the values of a strong American community: widening the circle of equality, protecting the sanctity of freedom, and deepening our commitment to this country.
Obviously, you don’t support these principles. You vote based on your personal fears and petty trivialities.
No, the Democratic Party needs people who support what it is really about. Not unprincipled louts like yourself. So don’t let the door hit you in your fat ass on the way out.
Obama camp are the race-baiters. I am against race-politics of all sorts. It is the first reason I completely soured to the Obama campaign. What they did in SC should be anathema to all Democrats.
What principles are left in the Democratic party? They support race-baiting now. They support mysogyny. They do not support Democracy by counting the vote. They couldn’t stand up to Bush on Iraq. What do they stand for? Nothing.
Calling me a racist is the tactic Obama camp uses when it meets resistance.
Like I said before, race baiting is NOT going to work on independents and Republicans. Keep trying it, and see how far it gets your candidate.
You were right about the fat ass, though. I’m currently working on it, but I hardly see how that impacts my politics.
Mawm,
Lisa is just a little upset right now. She and the Obamanoids can’t understand why we won’t “fall in line” behind her racist, anti amercan candidate.
Oh Lisa honey, How’d you like that big add on Obama’s front page putting the Jews down?
” When facing logical opposition…… Point finger at opponent and shout
RACIST ” ( Rule # 3 FASCISM FOR DUMMIES…Also known as the Official Obama Supporters Handbook. available in 4 languages including ARABIC ! )
“After all it’s the party, and it’s principles that are most important”. SAY WHAT? I would say rather it is what is best for America that is most important. Party be damned that has been taken over by radicals. VOTE FOR McCAIN!!
Imagine that an Obama troll has the audacity to use the word principles.
You just don’t get it- Principles is one of the key reasons we will NEVER vote Obama. The DNC has none- they overturned, illegally, the results of the MI primary. The DNC no longer stands for count every vote. What are the Democratic principles? The Dems used to be the party of the working folks. Now a key memebr of that group, D Brazile, has told us we are no longer wanted or needed, a theme we hear often from Obama supporters. The DNC has lost all credibility and unlike the bots, we do not blindly ‘follow the leader.’
We have principles, and we vote accordingly.
America first and the party be damned! The Dems don’t need us??? Well, as Nana always said, “Be careful what you pray for, God might give it to you.”
Really enjoyed your artical, and I agree with your post here.
Michigan did not have a legal primary. It violated the DNC rules, rules that everyone had agreed to beforehand, by holding their vote too soon. Since they did this, according to the legal rules, their votes were forfeit.
I’m not saying that the rule is right or wrong, I’m saying that those are the rules that were in place at the time, along with the written agreement signed by Senator Clinton that she would not participate in such elections.
Hillary violated her signed agreement. How you can get beyond that is beyond me. Therefore, raising this huge stink about counting the votes should never have come up. Barack didn’t raise a stink about it because he was following the rules.
So, Hillary violated her written word, improperly participated in an improper election, then comes around and says that the votes should count. This is like the criminal who robs a bank, has the money confiscated, (because it doesn’t belong to him), then has the cheek to sue for return of the money because it was in his possession.
The person without principles here is Hillary Rodham Clinton. She should not have participated in the Michigan election, as she swore she wouldn’t. She should not have kicked up such a big fuss about not getting the votes from an election that, according to the rules, didn’t count.
She forced the hand of the DNC and they did the best they could. This is why I voted for Obama, among other reasons. How disingenuous do you have to be to do something like that?
For me, these are not the qualities I would seek in a presidential candidate, the ability to agree to something then to go back on your word, then to have the gaul to complain about it.
Those are the kind of things that George W does and no self respecting Democrat should, but Hillary did. How does that qualify her for office?
It doesn’t.
Yeah, shame on you, Mawm, for actually considering which candidate would be better for our country, based on qualifications not skin color or sex.
The democratic party first needs to have principles. Currently it does not. Its behavior has negated any credibility it has had.
BTW, a principal at one of our best high schools in the stae of illinois, and the valedictorian of that high school s this years graduating class both took example from Obama and plagiarized most of their respective speeches. Neither gets to be the democratic nominee - both were punished.
There is a survey that shows that people between 18-26 find that cheating is ok - that the means justify the ends. Ethics are just and impediment.
Cheating is rampant in universities, and mostly in Ivy league schools.
One can understand why young people are willing to accept it in their presidential nominee’s campaign.
plagiarism (n)
1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.
Senator Obama never used another author’s thoughts without permission. Governor Patrick stated that he had urged Senator Obama to use the phrase in his speeches, therefore the charge of plagiarism does not stand.
This is yet another of Hillary’s ridiculous charges that have nothing to do with issues, but everything to do with the politics of distraction and personal destruction. Rather than talk about real issues, she chose to use a little Republican sleight of hand and distract people with non-issues.
This is one of the reaons that her campaign failed and one of the things that convinced me that she did not have the qualifications to be the party’s candidate. She took every opportunity to sink to the lowest depths possible. That’s why her campaign turned so many people off and that’s why she lost. It is no coincidence that her ratings began to go up when she turned to Senator Obama after one of their debates and said, “It’s been an honor to be here with you.” It doesn’t mean that she has to kowtow to anyone. It does mean that people appreciated it when their candidates acted like human beings and recognized and respected the humanity in each other, rather than taking their plays from the Dick Cheney Laundry List of Dirty Tricks.
In addition, I don’t know how people can point to Senator Clinton as a role model for modern women. Her husband has, by all reports, continued his philandering activities and yet she stays with him. Don’t get me wrong. I respect President Clinton’s accomplishments while in office and certainly point to him as a shining example of what good Democratic leadership can do. However, the fact of the matter is that she has continued her marriage to this person who has humiliated her publicly and privately. What does that say about her as a role model for the modern woman? Not much, I’m afraid.
Though I believe that she made an indelible mark for women’s suffrage by the race she ran, the manner in which she ran it was underhanded, distracting and did not do the American voter any service at all.
It was just more of the same, and I’ve seen a lot of elections, so I know what I’m talking about.
She lost it because she didn’t have the horses or principles to get it done.
You are so full of excrement it’s unbelieveable. When it’s yoru vote stolen, when it’s your voice sielnced, then you can say it’s okay to forcibly select a nominee that is not relfective of the will of the party grassroots. Until then, shut the hell up. When the Democratic party morphs into the GOP, there are no Democratic pricniple’s to uphold or vote for. Obambi is the single most divisive candidate for president since the Civil War. I didn’t think anyone could top W for that designation, but Obambi has far surpassed W. And the truly saddest part of all, Obaminators do not even see that he plays any role in the problem of dividing families, friends and political alliances. He has no substance or decency to support. He doesn’t go by the rules, they cheat and lie and manipulate the entire primary process to skewer the rules, steal votes in order to forcibly make him the nominee.
When Obambi loses by a landslide, do NOT come back and try to make us the scapegoat by blaming us or HRC. It’s Obambi’s misogyny and DNC failed leadership that will be to blame.
I agree.
As a strong feminist (and life long Democratic) the Democratic Party thinks I will always be in their pocket because I want to protect choice.
But, on the other hand, as a feminist, how can I possibly vote for a candidate that used sexism so blatantly?
This woman has decided *$#% the nomination process, and the election, and American politics.
At some point I have to take a stand and draw a line in the sand. This far and no more. I won’t take it.
I cannot and will never vote for Obama.
Not even to mention he has promised MORE WAR, not less (people don’t listen), and he has sleazy and possibly corrupt connections (he does have corrupt connection, I just mean that maybe not ALL of them are corrupt, just most).
It’s not always about winning, sometimes it’s about our own internal morality/ethics.
I will sit this one out. I want no one telling me later, when young people hit the streets protesting other wars Obama has started or prompted, “Well, you voted for him.”
Marnie - I think we are deluding ourselves if we believe that Obama cares about women’s rights, to include the right to choose. Those “Present” votes on the choice issue and not speaking out about the rampant sexism of his supporters tell me its not something he really cares about. Obama will support whatever position best helps him and his backers personally; that’s what Obama believes in.
First, let me examine the criticisms of McCain’s supposed policies that are becoming like an O-mantra:
1. He will appoint Judge(s) who will overturn Roe. Okay, since he’s promised to put conservatives on the Court, this could happen. Then what? The states can each decide for themselves whether abortion will be lawful within their bounds, just like before Roe! And, as for Obama’s likely choices, we know so little truth about him, and he switches positions so often, who can even guess what kind of nominees he might push?
2. He will keep us in Iraq for 100 years. Of course, McCain said this in response to a citizen’s question, and I think his answer sounded like a worse-case-scenario one. I at least believe him to be a patriotic American who will put his country and our Middle-Eastern allies before the interests of the jihadists. I, unfortunately, do not know that about Obama, who switched his position on Jerusalem within a couple of days’ time and etc.
3. It will be 8 more years of Bush. Why? Because McCain is a Republican and because he sought party unity at one time? Obama comes a whole lot closer to Dubya than does JM. And, for one thing, McCain is a whole lot smarter and a whole lot braver than Bush.
4. JM doesn’t care about the working class. Well at least he cares enough about us to stand and answer endless questions at town-hall meetings and hasn’t sent thugs out to threaten old ladies attempting to vote. Obama’s WORDS say he cares; McCain’s ACTIONS do.
You know, they really can’t see outside their own heads, so self absorbed, and unsophisticated are they.
And it’s nasty stuff, for them, in the end, when it turns out they took on more than they could handle.
It’s like continually running in place, eventually, they just drop, exerting all that energy, going nowhere.
Okay vote for McCain. I don’t care. Hopefully there are more people who DON’T vote for McCain. But should he win, and your sons and daughters are sent off to Iran, Syria, and anywhere else McCain feels like bomb, bomb bombing….and your reproductive rights are eaten away state by state after Roe is overturned by some wingnut SCOTUS appointee, I dont want to see your hairy asses out there sobbing and protesting as if this is some fucking shock to you.
You get what you ask for. If Obama turns out to be a Carteresque idiot, then I will accept my part in that. But I sense this baby-feelings “someone stole my RIGHTFUL desires from me” protest vote as a game for fools in which the players are not mature enough to even accept that they are making a willful choice. I seriously doubt that when we are in the middle of a protracted, hideous war with Iran under McCain that you will take responsibility for what YOU did.
Cheers.
(No wonder this website is now a laughingstock.)
They are already setting up the plan to blame Clinton when Obama loses.
We have been telling you for a while now that Obama is not electable, but you decided not to vote for the best candidate.
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand, you claim that you don’t need us to win, warning me about my fat ass and a door slamming, but you are already blaming us for his defeat.
If we are not needed for him to win, then you can’t blame us when he loses.
If this web-site is a laughingstock, why are here commenting? Doesn’t that make you part of the joke?
She is setting us up to blame for his defeat, because she knows he will lose. Someone said to me today, “The country’s ready for a woman candidate, but Hillary was just the wrong woman.” And I say to her, “I believe the country is also ready for an African American candidate. But he sure as hell is the wrong one.”
Lisa,
If this Website is the now a laughing stock then why you are here?
Jokes on Lisa…sorry, go back to evil orange where you are used and appreciated.
NOBAMA!
Lisa, You sound a little worried there “honey”.
Be assured that we HIllary supporters will do everything we can to elect John McCain.
Better a republican wholoves his country than an anti american, racist who’s agenda we can only guess at.
The only laughingstock on here is you. Go back to you Jew hating Obama site.
Lisa
Country before party! and we in the finance business know that history is not a true representation of future events. What the party was in the past, it is not now, and does not plan to be.
Many of us selected Hillary as our nominee because we know her positions we have researched her records, and we know that she is capable.
I spent 18 months researching each candidate so that I could make a truly informed decision. I know Obama too well from his dirty politics here in Chicago. Alice Palmer anyone?
After thoroughly researching, reading all books, looking at all materials, checking all votes and personally authored bills (on government sites as pro-obama sites have a lot of misinformation) Obama comes below clinton and mccain on my list. In fact he comes below some of the candidates from both sides that have dropped out.
I believe that a one party very left system will damage the fabric of this country. Having had experience with just such a system, I can tell you it does not work. I also believe based on facts - Obama’s own words and those of his advisers that we will have more war not less under his presidency and that he will ensure the return of the draft. Rangel (Dem) has been pushing the draft bill in congress for several years. Once he gets Obama elected and congress becomes overwhelmingly democratic (one year) the draft will also be passed.
If this site has become a laughingstock it is for 2 reasons: 1) pro-obama sites need to discredit it to get their candiate elected and republican sites need to discreditd it so as not to be associated with a site the Obama campaign discredits.
And that is why the Democratic party must be destroyed once and for all when it takes up the practices of the GOP. PUMA!
Those of you who are really fed up and disgusted with politics as usual and wants to get back to basic Democratic beliefs and actions in a party, please come check us out at newwomensparty@yahoogroups.com.
You’ll be glad you did.
When an Obamamite can take on Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Pfleger, Auchi, Khalid, Assamarre, Odinga and his one degree of separation, then and only then will you have a shot at a conversation.
It is also about stolen democracy and abiding by the DNC’s own bylaws.
This propping up of the black man, as ill-equiped and as hampered with background - no vetting by the media or DNC - is why we are in this Mexican stand-off. Better this than Russian Roulette by accepting and voting for B. Hussein Obama.
Hillary still has her delegates. After a long rest and retrospective of what the media, Obama, and DNC did to her, I would hate to be the person who asks her to cede her delegates. The stare down alone would be deadly.
Everything is upside down - I am watching Fox, listening to Karl Rove & trying to find positives with respect to the conservative right.
I am a Hillary supporter but will support McCain. I have been thinking about this a lot of late, only 2 women have sat at the now Group of Eight and they were both conservative.
Maggie Thatcher (UK) - Conservative
Kim Campbell (Canada) - Conservative
Here are a few links to Obama and where he stands.
Abortion - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HRFqmlZEbY
IRAQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4&feature=related
What even more disturbing from the “Obamabot’s” reply post to your post is that it contains the traditional talking points of the DNC to keep the average American in line — “no DNC/no preservation of roe v. wade” … “no DNC/nobody to look out for the ‘working class’” … and the “100 years in Iraq” is an out of context twisting of the meaning of McCain’s remarks. So now we have a thoroughly sexist campaign that lost the lion’s share of the working class vote with a one-note samba issue (the war), telling us that all that is changed. As a woman, I have always resented the way the DNC co-opted the “reproductive rights” issue, making a bigger deal about what went on in our wombs and ignoring what goes on in our heads and hearts. As a member of the working class, no matter who’s in power, I still pay the larger share of income taxes and as a tax payer from New York, I contribute a portion of the largest share of Federal taxes from any state in the union. I’m still waiting for the occasional Democratic Congress/Chief Executive to do something about that. At least Bill Clinton’s administration reduced the deficit and left the nation with a huge budget surplus. I don’t think I’ve heard the Democrats talk about deficits in this election year. Aside from Obama being an empty suit, not at all qualified to be POTUS… aside from his outrageous circle of close friends and advisors who will surely get input on appointments and lifetime posts in the Federal bureaucracy (yes Lifetime Posts!) … aside from Obama’s connections to unsavory, possibly illegal sources of campaign financing … aside from Obama being a critical part of Chicago’s Dailey Machine … there are real reasons to break with the Democrats this year. Women in particular should not be bullied into voting with the DNC as they are reduced once again to “reproductive rights.” The “working class” stood with Hillary because their values were embodied by her record of service. Where can they stand now and why on earth would they stand with a candidate who repeatedly ignored them in every campaign speech and debate? As for Iraq, if the tide continues to turn over there, Obama’s one-note samba will fall silent. Anyone who promises “instant exit” from Iraq is lying … we all know that because the amount of soldiers and equipment over there cannot be “instantly” removed even if we were in the middle of a major victory. But if the tide on that war continues to turn, we may have a “working class” electorate demanding that we “finish the job.” This segment of the electorate continues to be volatile. No matter how you slice it … nobama in 2008 or ever. It makes no sense. Boycott the DNC in 2008 and take a “wait and see” attitude about 2009 … that is the only things that will make Howard Dean & Co. lose sleep ever night from here on out. BTW, that link to ABC’s Jake Tapper’s blog from June 5, showing Obama strongarm Leiberman off the Senate floor for a who knows what encounter was priceless … looks like Obama is a Thugbama as well. Multi-talented/multi-tasking.
thanks for your thoughtful comments, Mandelay
Letter from Rosa Park’s Granddaughter
Quote:
My main regret is that Hillary probably felt compelled to congratulate Barack on the victory he has won, as opposed to the honor he was granted. Other than that, despite the circumstances, I felt buoyed by the speech. I was glad she reminded people of the number and wide diversity of her supporters, the issues she’ll continue fighting for, the precedents to these historical campaigns, the bias she ran into, and that of the last 10 presidential elections Bill won two of the three Democratic victories. Most of all, I was glad she left the door open.
We made tremendous progress during the under a Democratic president, with a flourishing economy and our leadership for peace and security respected around the world. Just think how much more progress we could have made over the past 40 years if we’d had a Democratic president. Think about the lost opportunities of these past seven years on the environment and the economy, on health care and civil rights, on education, foreign policy and the Supreme Court.
Hillary compared the party to a family unified around shared ideals, values and destination which would mean I must identify with a leadership who facilitate favoritism, foul play and public savaging of its own members. Who reward Republicanesque chicanery and marketing over democratic principles and substance. Who would rather protect their own territory than elect a president who could help us all.
Hillary also urged us not to dwell on what might have been which is exactly what we must do in the person of Howard Dean. The man is incompetent, a saboteur or both. Retaining him spits in the face of over half those who voted in the primaries. It erodes confidence the DNC will reflect our standards. It conveys contempt for us on the part of the candidate we are called upon to support. It suggests winning the White House is not a DNC priority.
Now, when I started this race, I intended to win back the White House and make sure we have a president who puts our country back on the path to peace, prosperity and progress. We cannot let this moment slip away. We have come too far and accomplished too much. This election is a turning-point election. And it is critical that we all understand what our choice really is. Will we go forward together, or will we stall and slip backwards?
Unity is a two-way street. So far, I have seen nothing to indicate the Hillary camp counts any more than it has all along. Replacing Dean with someone amenable to Hillary would be a start. Perhaps I’ll see other evidence at the convention. Until then I cannot in good conscience get in the spirit Hillary urged. Others have made it too hollow. She will be blamed for that anyway, no matter what she does, so I might as well remain faithful to the vision that has sustained me so far: Hillary Clinton in the White House.
– Carole A. Parks
Chicago IL
Wow, thanks for that. I wonder if the Obamatrons will be attacking her as well.
If I may ask, where did you find this text, Mr. Sprus? I’d like to link it around in other blogs. Thank you!
Wow! Is this for real?
clintondems.com
What a fabulous letter. Thanks for posting it.
Quite to the contrary, I respect this post much more than I do many of the others here.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Ms. Parks makes her opinion known without stooping to the ridiculous and baseless charges, i.e. plagiarism, theft of delegates and such, that others use to assuage their wounded feelings.
If she doesn’t like Howard Dean, she’s certainly entitled to that opinion. I wasn’t too impressed with Mr. Dean either, the way he let Hillary continue to raise a stink about the Michigan and Florida votes without doing something about it.
I enjoyed her post.
Brilliant analysis of culture-making and manipulation.
It never ends now I’m called one of “18 million crackpots” - I can’t wait to get my next DNC donation request.
Feel the love! We’ve been upgraded from crackers to crackpots! Besides, there are only 18 million of us.
Maybe we could add another act to this drama.
Obama is an illegitimate nominee without question. There are a number of good thorough analyses on different blogs of the numbers from caucuses vs popular vote etc. Caucuses are not fair and open primaries have the opposition voting for the weakest candidate in addition to run-of-the mill corruption. So Hillary is really a much, much stronger candidate than the farcical Democratic primary process would suggest.
So why cannot some sneaky, smart lawyer make Obama the illegal nominee as well? Is there some legal basis for throwing the Democratic Convention into chaos with a legal challenge of some kind? I have no use for lawyers myself, but I know they must be good for something sometimes.
It wouldn’t matter whether Hillary or anyone around her sanctioned a challenge. It is very much a matter of principle.
As far as I can tell, Hillary has not relinquished her delegates, nor has she gone back on her post-rules committee statement that she “reserved the right to go before the credentials committee” to challenge what was decided two Saturdays ago in D.C. when Florida and Michigan were cut in half. Is she holding these cards for the V.P. slot? Some think so, I also think she might be holding those cards because there’s time before the convention and who knows what will happen in that period. Going against the party for this year requires a solidified effort to “stay together” and vote accordingly. It requires the brand of toughness demonstrated by Sen. Clinton throughout the 2nd half of the primary season because humans have a natural instinct to “go with the perceived winner.” Are we up to the challenge? I am visiting down in Palm Beach County and today’s Palm Beach Post has a large front page with “Churches Sing Obama’s Praises” with a large photo of a Black Minister and a little girl who graduated grade school. Beneath this 3 column wide story (which itself is positined below the quote by the minister “There is a wind of change blowing in America”) is a small story with a tiny photo of Hillary hugging Rep. Stephanie Tubbs of Ohio (also Black) and the photo caption is: “Many woman feel the media unercut Sen. Hillary Clinton, shown greeting Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio Saturday.” The headline of the smaller Hillary story is: “Clinton’s Female Backers Chafe But Swing to Unity.” On the paper’s editorial and op-ed spread, I see the following: George Will’s column “When pushover comes to shove” (Wills anti-Hillary for V.P. op ed piece), a pro-Obama editorial cartoon, Cynthia Tucker’s op ed “Whining does disservice to Clinton,” and the ever nasty Maureen Dowd, starring in her column entitled “A mover and faker” with a smiling photo of Hillary as its centerpiece and subject. So, I can only see that even tho’ Hillary has made her “farewell,” the media war against her continues. It is amazing. Look in your own papers today and see what you can see. The Palm Beach Post’s pattern of pro-Obama has been going on for some time, and usually includes letters to the editor that were anti-Hillary/pro-Obama. This in a county that was won by Clinton (and Gore, LOL!) but it’s been amazing, extremely biased, and puzzling as I am familiar with the paper, having been a visitor to the area for over 30 years. I’ve never seen anything like this and I have come to believe that the media effort against Clinton was organized and is still going on, I presume, until the convention is over. Obviously, she has scared the BB’s out of them!
The democratic nomination was totally stolen!
Is it me or does anyone else here feel like hillary ’s movements, facial gestures
as well as looking like at times, in sheer pain and fear she looked like they were
( dean and pelosi) were holding an invisible gun to her head saturday?
I feel so sorry for her as a person to be humilated , into having to endorse a candidate that 18m and half the democratic party DO NOT THINK IS QUALIFIED or at the very least do not want him!!!
omen to self - went thru a drawer in my desk the other day and found a voters
registration for my employees who had never voted…. I got extras, FILL IT OUT
GIRL- you are now independant, Hillary released you the other day…. kinda like
the ransome backfired for the DEM leaders.
Maybe I’m not the only one, but I feel like I missed something…Just because BO is getting the Democratic nomination doesn’t mean we only have a choice of him or McCain…we can still write in candidates, right?
I, for one, plan to write Clinton in. At this point the only thing that would change that vote would be my or her death before election day!
Liz,
Some states give the clinton vote to the dem candidate because she’s a dem. Check your state laws!!
Vote against Obama and makes it count please…. Here is how:
On the ballot:
NO to Obama
NO to all Dems who endosed Obama
Yes to the rest of the ballot
We have to make the DNC pay for this.
Beware: In some states, if you write in Clinton’s name, your vote will go to Obama. Research your state to see how it works.
At the Huffington Post, I was highly critical of the new direction the elite chose to go, putting political change over economy and I criticized their throwing of the working class under the bus.
I was frequently censored, my comments never made it to print.
Now when I go there, if I try to leave the site my computer freezes up. I have to restart my computer and I get a message ‘application failed to initialize because the computer is shutting down’.
So they put something on my computer that tries to launch when I leave the site. Instead, it crashes my browser. I’ve deleted cookies and purged cache.
I swear they are up to no good and it furthers the idea in my mind that they are malicious.
That’s horrible, Steve. Thanks for the heads-up, not that I go there anymore.
If you have deleted cookies and purged cache, you’ve just begun to troubleshoot this kind of a problem.
Have you had any unwanted pop ups lately? Have you loaded any new software lately? Have you loaded any new games? Have you changed hardware? Did you have a power outage lately? Have you removed and reloaded your BHO’s (browser helper objects, like Adobe Reader’s plugin that helps you read PDF files from within Internet Explorer) lately? Have you done a complete virus and spyware scan? Have you had a power brownout, which is usually more damaging than an out and out power failure? Are you a conscientious computer user who has installed a UPS, (uninterruptible power supply), to your system to help condition the power your computer gets? Do you have adequate virus and spyware protection that is up to date and active?
All these questions need to be answered before you go around saying that someone has hacked into your system.
I have left dissenting comments on Huffington before with no ill effects at all.
Larry - helps us hit the media where it hurts - in their pocketbooks. If we can organize a boycott of MSNBC, Newsweek and their advertisers, we might just get their attention.
Bud, thanks for a great piece. I visited with my gen-x son today, who voted for Hillary and now is supporting Obama. We had a great talk about the sexism in the campaign. He completely understands why I was so offended. I thanked him for being a respectful young man, because I know he would never participate in the garbage I saw about Hillary this year. He said, “You’re the one who deserves the pat, Mom. You simply demonstrated social values that I don’t even question today. Sexism or ageism or racism is not in my bones.”
Please correct me if I’m wrong. Gas is $4.00/gal. There is no life in Texas without a car. Somebody burned down Rick Perry’s house, LOL, LOL.
Arson and violence aren’t funny.
Are you sure it wasn’t an act of God?
MEMO
Dear Democrates:
To the 18 millions of us who supported Hillary and voted for her, we can’t won’t and must’t vote for Obama. Our conscience demends that we vote on principle. NOBAMA.
Here’s an excellent article analyzing exactly “what does Hillary really wants”. I urge everyone to read it:
http://savagepolitics.com/
Excellent article and articulation of what many of us have been saying here.
A defeat of the elites is what is needed.
Thank you. I agree.
He’s just like George Bush. Making other people do the work for him. When he offended the working class, he brought out Edwards. Now women surrogates. He can’t do anything himself and he’s never blamed for anything either. His surrogates are blamed. Whereas Clinton herself was blamed for everything her surrogates did.
He cannot win without the common touch of FDR, Truman, Kennedy. He’s elite like losers Stevenson, Gore and Kerry. HE HIMSELF not surrogates has to appeal to the working class and women.
Yeah, but the good news his surrogates suck. LOL* Edwards didn’t exactly help in WVA, did he? Richardson was suppose to help in Puerto Rico.
I like their style.
Donna, I hope you’ll continue fighting. Your blog was a must-read for me and many others.
Talyor Marsh has written that those who are voting for McCain to “punish” the DNC — “nothing could be more self destructive or self serving. Getting even with the DNC at the expense of our country is a morally bankrupt choice.”
Boy has Taylor turned out to be a big disappointment! Taylor can’t recognize when a nomination has been stolen? Might I suggest she go to her own blog archive and review her postings from earlier this year. The Taylor who wrote those post could.
I am so glad you finally took the time to say this as I have felt it strongly but have not written it. It is unbelievable to me and makes me feel as though she is only kind of “working the situation”…. You would think she could remember that far back wouldn’t you.
It is hard to believe in people with this kind of inconsistency - I see the same kind of opportunism as the DNC.
I threw her in the same trash can I threw Andrew Sullivan many many months (maybe years??) ago. Can’t be bothered with this and it makes me wonder who is a plant for whom.
AnninCa:
Here’s one to discuss with your son. In 2000 the “popular vote” was the Democrats holy grail. “Gore was robbed!” “Count every vote!” “Bush was Selected!” Blah, blah, blah…the media trumpeted this from every orifice and we all remember the resulting national sh*tstorm.
So what? The popular vote doesn’t matter now? Your just racist, dry vagina women and rednecks (Daily Kos) so why count your votes? Just give it to Obama, The Lamb of Chicago, huh?
Obama understands the womenfolk frustrations. No really! After all he said of Hillary, “I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.” (hey, at least he said “periodically” instead of “every 28 days or so.”) And the messiah thinks you and Hill are, “likeable enough.”
And Obama’s supporters and media cheerleading team? Well they certainly support the womenfolk…right?
“Glenn Close should have stayed in that tub” — comparing Hillary to the obsessive psychotic from Fatal Attraction. - Steve Cohen (D., Tenn.)
Hillary is crying because “a black man is stealing my show.” - Fr. Michael Pfleger
Is Chelsea being “pimped out” - David Schuster (MSNBC)
“Was your nickname in school Miss Frigidaire?” - Katie Couric
“…the reason she’s a U.S. senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around” - Chris Mattews
“Her towering frigidity, blazing hubris, bellowing mendacity”…”I’m beginning to hate this woman.” - Bob Ellis (ABC)
On and on and on…and on.
But no sexism here. Nope, nothing to see. Elect the messiah and move along.
Does your non-racist/sexist boned son have a clue who he’s getting in bed with?
I’m pretty sure it’s the war. He’s convinced McCain is too war-oriented.
Misogyny is not the only sin here. The media, by focusing on the horse race and minor gaffes, led us away from the critical discussion of ISSUES. On the issues alone, Hillary excels. She was the first to state that the pullout from Iraq is essential, but must be done carefully, with due regard for those left behind (a very prudent approach). Hillary was the first national voice to suggest that speculators were driving up the cost of gas beyond normal market forces. Hillary exhibited wisdom in stating diplomacy with our “enemies” is essential, but that no US leader should personally invest her prestige unless groundwork was laid and read progress was to be made. Obama avoided one-on-one debate, because he then couldn’t rely on a teleprompter. This is the real crime of the (un)Democratic primary–voters were not allowed to focus on issues!! I will write in HIllary in November–my choice for President.
I am so tired of these DNC, Obamabot and media types who think they own us and that we can be easily manipulated. They are about to find out that Hillary’s supporters are the thinking classes, and they do not stand a chance of winning our votes.
[...] 2: Surprise. With the nomination stolen, Obama refuses to debate McCain anytime, anywhere. Instead offers one townhall debate on the 4th [...]
I find it interesting that you discuss mysoginistic tactics without providing a single example. Perhaps the problem was that you were so focused on the sexist idea of having a woman elected that you lost your objectivity.
Senator Obama went out of his way to be polite to Senator Clinton at each one of their debates. His campaign focused on the issues, not on the person, unlike her campaign, which went out of its way to portray Senator Obama as an elitist and a snob, ideas that had nothing to do with the race and which failed to address any of the issues. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-13-clinton-reax_N.htm
When given an opportunity to serve Senator Clinton in a like manner on the ABC debates, Senator Obamas response to the question of whether he trusted Senator Clinton was a gentle, “I think Senator Clinton deserves the right to make some errors once in a while. Obviously, I make some as well.”
I also find it quite interesting that the Hillary supporters trumpet far and wide their support for every vote being counted, then make the claim that she won the popular vote. The only way to make that work is to discount, that is, not count, that is, disenfranchise all those voters who participated in caucuses.
In addition, the entire idea that Senator Obama somehow stole votes is ludicrous. Senator Clinton violated her signed statement and participated in an election that she should not have. Senator Obama followed the agreement he had made. It was Senator Clinton making a huge fuss out of something that should never have been an issue that provoked the meeting on July 31st. Since the meeting had to be held because of the fuss she was making, they had to come away with some decision on something that they shouldn’t have been voting on in the first place. They did the best they could. Senator Obama had the votes to force a 50/50 split, but he didn’t. The delagate issue was Senator Clinton’s responsibility, not Senator Obamas because she was the one who made a huge furball from it. Don’t blame Senator Obama for something which he was not the author of.
The fact is that there are a certain number of people who got all starry eyed over having a woman be elected. Well, she lost it. She lost it not because she’s a woman but because she ran a bad campaign, a campaign that was based on the old Republican style attack dog politics that turned people off.
She lost it because she couldn’t figure out how to run a good campaign and couldn’t be flexible enough to change to fit what people obviously wanted, though she tried. But her attempts were always based in that personal attack mode and she just simply failed.
Get over it. Obama won, he ran a better campaign, he’s a better candidate.