Big Trouble in Obamaland
By PaganPower on June 12, 2008 at 7:20 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Race Card, White People
Now that the glamor and glitz of Obama’s illegitimate grab of the Democratic nomination has worn off, it is time for a little sanity to set in. Namely, how is it that Obama is going to carry those states where as he admitted himself, he believes the people there are bitter and clinging to their guns and religion? The answer will come as no surprise to anyone rational. He is going to have a tough time winning states like Pennsylvania and Ohio. There is no doubt about that.
Racial attitudes pose challenge for Obama
“I don’t think our country is ready for a black president,” Susick, who is white, said in an interview in the paint store where she works. “A black man is never going to win Pennsylvania.”
Now if we were in campaign mode you would see Axelrod, Plouffe or Jackson point out that the person making the comment was just a racist and therefore could be dismissed. But thankfully we aren’t in campaign mode and people like Susick are allowed to speak their mind without being labeled as something they are not.
More troubling is the statistic that won’t go away. No matter how much money and bullshit the Obama people try to throw at it.
In the April 22 primary, Susick voted for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who carried Pennsylvania by 10 percentage points. Perhaps more troubling for Obama, one in four Clinton’s backers told exit pollsters they would vote for McCain if Obama were the nominee; an additional 17 percent said they would not vote at all.
Look at this closely. 25% of Hillary supporters said they would vote for McCain and another 17% said they wouldn’t vote at all. That is a whopping 42% of Hillary supporters that WILL NOT support Obama. You might call that a significant statistic.
More worrisome are longtime Democrats who backed Clinton in April but are threatening to abandon the party now that she is not the nominee.
Rose Iezzi, who lunched recently with two friends at a Greensburg cafe, is one. All three women are middle-aged, work for an accountant and admire Clinton. But only Iezzi took a hard stand against Obama.
“I think he’s a snake oil salesman,” she said. “He’s a little too slick and smooth.”
“He just doesn’t appeal to me, and not because of race, definitely,” she said in an interview in which race had not been mentioned.
In fact for all the attempts to call the people that will not support Obama racists, the facts tell another tale. A tale that doesn’t fit in to well with the lies the Obama camp would have you believe. Despite the exit poll claims we were spoon fed by the Obamedia, the truth tells us something else entirely.
In interviews with 40 Pennsylvanians across three counties that Clinton won by big margins, only one person indicated opposition to Obama simply because of his race.
Sounds a little less troubling than we were initially led to believe. Some estimates had the percentage as high as 20%. So much for the reliability of exit polls despite the DNC’s illegitimate reliance on them.
And if this was just Pennsylvania perhaps Obama and the DNC could write it off. As they have so many other things. But the problems in Pennsylvania apparently also resonate in Ohio where Obama not only lost to Hillary but is losing ground to McCain.
Clinton’s supporters still wary of Obama
Harper was impressed by Clinton’s empathy for the struggling middle class and said she would have voted for her this fall. But now that Barack Obama has sewn up the Democratic nomination, Harper isn’t sure whom to support.
Obama’s comments about “bitter” Pennsylvania voters turning to guns and God turned her off, and she’s concerned that Republican John McCain represents a continuation of the Bush administration that she doesn’t think the country can afford.
“Now, I’m kind of in limbo,” Harper, 53, said last week during an interview in Hanging Rock at the Ohio University Southern Child Development Center where she works.
So Bittergate still resonates in Ohio as I am sure it resonates elsewhere. People have not only not forgiven Obama for his comments, they have come to trust him even less recently.
Last week, The Dispatch retraced Clinton’s trip, and in interviews with nearly three dozen people in places she visited, it was clear that although Obama has fans in the region, he has work to do to win over voters such as Harper.
There is a disconnect that Ohio voters instinctively feel toward Obama. Hillary they got. She touched them, made them feel visible, important. Obama, not so much.
“It was like we meant something to her,” said Chuck Denney, 55, of Gallipolis, who works at a nearby power plant and was having lunch last week at the original Bob Evans restaurant in Rio Grande where Hillary Clinton stopped in February.
But the Obama campaign and their DNC enablers aren’t worrying about Ohio. They have a plan. They honestly think that getting popular governor Ted Strickland to campaign for Obama is all he needs. And Strickland seems to think so too.
The governor said Friday he will encourage Obama to spend time in Appalachia and focus on such “kitchen table issues” as jobs and health care.
“I think if he does that and does it effectively, with my help — and I will help — that the folks in the communities that you’ve just visited will give him an honest hearing,” Strickland said.
But Buckeyes have to ask the pertinent question. Why is it that Obama didn’t reach out to Appalachia before, when he was courting Ohio for the nomination? He instead referred to them as bitter white people that cling to guns and religion.
So, sorry Governor Strickland. As popular as you are and deservedly so, you aren’t going to hoodwink the good people of Ohio into believing Barack Obama suddenly respects hard-working blue collar white people. Because we already know that he does not. Except for when not respecting them gets in his way to power.
These latest revelations, coming just days after Obama’s presumptive coronation as the Democratic nominee, are mere warning shots. More will come, surely. I expect them to dribble out a little at a time. The question is: Will the people that have the authority to do something about it take action before it is too late?
And I can’t say with any sincerity that I am hopeful they will.
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[...] What Facts? 12 06 2008 I find it humerous how some blogs keep saying that Obama is utterly unelectable in states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, even though Obama hasn’t trailed in Pennsylvania [...]
I find it humerous how some post keep denying the fact that Hillary won all the primaries in these big swing states.
Further, Real Clear Politics have polls showing for example in Florida, that McCain leads by 8, in Michigan by 2, and in Virginia by 2.
Denial is the 1st sign of Kool-Aide addiction.
Sorry, but is your argument here that, among other things (and I’m positive there’s better polls to show where Obama is losing) is that he’s within the margin of error in a state (Michigan) where he never really campaigned, and also within the margin of error in a traditionally red state (Virginia)? Kentucky would be a much better choice. If memory serves, it went to Bill Clinton in both ‘92 and ‘96, and Barack is trailing by something like 25 points there. 25. Being behind by 8 in Florida can be overcome, but he’s never gonna close that 25.
also, please remember that Obama has just finished spending $200 million campaigning and in a year when DEMs ought to be beating the REPs by landslides, Obama’s numbers are quite low.
In fact, I just read somewhere that Obama has outspent McCain 25 to 1 but don’t know if that is accurate.
I supported Obama at first mainly because he
WAS a minority.
His mean spirited campaign style was
the turnoff. Then he proved himself a fraud and
a hypocrite.
He has no empathy for most people in the country
that he wants to lead. He doesn’t like us.
My argument is Electoral College.
BHO comes up short.
He loses too many swing states.
Penn, Ohio, Florida.
If McCain carries 2 of the 3, Obama will be the next John Kerry!
No to be HONEST (if you EVER were)
you would be MORE shocked to see anyone who would agree that BHO is at ALL electable
If you think most of the lemmings in America will vote for a hater like that? A Loser like that? He really is a sad excuse for Presidential material.
After you take off the shiny bold wrapper there’s nothing left but an ugly brown empty box with no substance and a LOT of warped perhaps unglued areas!
NOT worthy.
What does ‘humerous’ mean?
Or does it only mean you have to go back to school?
But I guess you have to ask yourself an obvious question- will these attitudes be the same on election day? THere is likely to be a significant number whose will soften their positions and vote for Obama. The poll cant tell us how many will not change their positions under any circumstances and how many will reluctantly decide to vote for Obama in the end.
I’ll make the Obamabots a deal
if the MO tape doesn’t come out by NOV
and if HILLARY is his VP Choice (that would be the first wise decision he ever made that I know of)
I will pull the lever for BHO
that is the O N L Y way
Otherwise…McCain?
U got it (as of right now)
I concur.
Otherwise….McCain?
Who else? The ToothFairy?
Or we stay home and watch the Selected One’s nosedive into the abyss of insignificancy.
i.e. He pisses off back to Chicago with Michelle’s tail between his legs.
You could always vote PRESENT!!!
That’s one way of dealing with it! I’m finding that possibility more amusing by the day.
I can’t vote for a Hussein Marxist, no matter who the VP is.
But I have a gut feeling, His stock will be short by election day!
Drip, Drip, Drip.
What will today’s Johnson debacle be?
Got Judgement?
No I won’t go along with that. I am firm in my conviction that the only safe job for Obama is in the laundry room of Joliet state prison. I mean that.
Yes, and I guess there’s a big chance that Obama will get some experience (other than campaigning) by election day too.
You bitter whiteys.
Love,
MEchelle Obama
(chuckle) Bella
Trouble in your land!
Team Obama launches Fight the Smears website to combat spurious lies promulgated by sites such as this!
GAME OVER!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
Sweet…
Justice
Sweet Indeed!
Oblahblah = O’Bush = Hitler
Come get me Barack! I’m shakin in my panties!
Launched to enable his campaign to spin any simple lie uttered by Obama or his handlers into a much more complex fantasmic lie.
This is funny. This is hilarious. Whilst Obama was trashing Hillary there were all these posts documenting the abuse. Obama was on the offensive, using his dirty tricks. Now suddenly the tables are turned and Obama is on the defensive.
I’m really enjoying this. We’re going to make some popcorn, kick back, and watch and enjoy the show!
PS. You know what’s the icing on the cake? Knowing Howard Coward, Donkey Brazile, and Nancy P are shitting bricks. They’re looking at each other and wondering if they screwed up, if all their devious schemes are going to crash down on them. That really puts a smile on my face.
Larry,
I look forward to your response to the newest addition to BO’s website….
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape
… and specifically these key passages:
Lie:On May 30th, Rush Limbaugh said he had heard a rumor that a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “Whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ.
Truth: No such tape exists. Michelle Obama has not spoken from the pulpit at Trinity and has not used that word.
Lie:Blogger Larry Johnson wrote on May 31st that he would add “New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.”
Truth: Johnson posted no such update.
I See Brown Shirts!
Have fun practicing the goose step marching.
October will be an unhappy month for the 0biemessiah.
Underneath the lantern
By the garden green…
Obama is a coke head that had his cock sucked off by Larry Sinclair.
What say you Oblahblah?
YES I CAME!
LOL! Just because he says the tape doesn’t exist, we’re expected to believe the LIAR? Think again. I’d believe Larry Johnson before I’d EVER buy anything BO sells.
If the tape didn’t exist, he would have denied that Not-So-Charming-Michelle ever said such a thing when he was asked about it by a reporter last week. HE DIDN’T DENY IT. Now he has some shill typing on a web site that it’s not true? That wouldn’t be for some COVER, would it? Then he can deny he knew the shill ever said that when the tapes does show up….. We know how the empty suit operates.
Get lost.
Yes, and if you read his bullshit responses. All he says is that she never said “Whitey” and this panel was at the Sheriton….hmmm.
Well, the term “Whitey” is what we used (ie. Larry) to DESCRIBE the tape… ie. The Whitey Tape.
So what did she REALLY say Obama? And where was she when she was saying it?
I can think of many many many vile words that can come out of her mouth, yet you only seem to say that she never really said the word “Whitey”.
WHITEY IS THE WORD WE COINED FOR THE TAPE DUMBASS!!!
Dawnelle- by calling them obamabots, you are basically saying anyone who votes for Obama is a brainwashed entity incapable of rational thought while presumably the Hillary crowd are the smart ones? Im not American and I like both the candidates, but I do find that characterization of Obama supporters odd. Its true that many do talk about him in disturbingly messianic terms, but I dont know if this is true of the majority. Worth a study methinks
No I was speaking to the OBAMABOTS
and there are Obamatrons
the BOTS are the paid and unpaid trolls that come to PRO HILLARY SITES to make trouble.
I love to obligue (sp)
and I’ve only had 2 yrs of college so I never have professed to being a PRO like the people that work here
but trust me
I do had S K I L L S
lol present tense
gez
I have a keyboard just like yours LOL-
We think faster than we can type. K?
NOBAMA!
The Characterazation refers to Obama supporters who come to a pro Hillary website, and post drivel.
That’s an Obamabot!
Dawnelle- by calling them obamabots, you are basically saying anyone who votes for Obama is a brainwashed entity incapable of rational thought
Yes I believe that is correct. Is there something wrong with that?
I love my son. He’s going for Obama. He is not obnoxious. However, his thinking is very skewed.
He’s still reacting to how dumb he was for voting Green and allowing Bush in.
He overlearned his lesson.
So yeah….you all are pretty reactive and dumb-sounding to me. You’re at the next stage.
Democrat or you’re all racist!
What a meme!
How dumb is that?
You still sound incredibly immature to posit that. No respect for people who have differing opinions. Slap a label on them. Insult them. Call it a day.
That’s just immaturity talking.
You’ve obviously not worked in the real world where people have a variety of opinions.
You’ve not learned to open your mind and just relate a person. Dang the politics.
We each have one vote only. That’s it.
Respect one another.
Stop finger-pointing.
Stop being mad at right-wingers. They are who they are.
Stop being mad at Hillary supporters. We really don’t like Obama. We really don’t like boyz bloggers.
Stop being stupid.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/11/who-is-barack-obama/
OPINION: Who is Barack Obama?
Where are the responsible media?
Great article. Thanks. Larry, can you put the Texas Darlin’ article back up – the one about Obama’s missing paper trail that was deleted when your servers went down and three days worth of excellent articles and comments were deleted? Obama’s total lack of a paper trail, starting with his birth certificate, is a HUGE story, one that resonates with every American.
Second the motion.
So are we supposed to be happy that people like Ms. Susick are saying that Pennsylvania will not go for a black candidate. I was hoping they wouldn’t choose him for some more rational reason.
Just because I’m against Obama doesn’t mean that I like the fact the racism still persists. What’s going on here? Are we that desparate to defeat Obama that we are happy about negaitve racial attitudes? This is disturbing.
It’s too bad BHO had to start this race baiting nastiness!
He should have better trained his Axelrove! Indeed. Hillary got rid of Penn (not early enough)
If BHO had rid himself of that evil nasty axelrove (yes it’s my opinion of him, so)
perhaps it would not have gotten so bad and hateful
perhaps it’s just his bad dna
He should have better trained his Axelrove!
That’s the tail wagging the dog.
Yes, The Obama campaign in S.C. should have never distributed that 4 page memo, bringing racial divisiveness into the primary race.
It was disturbing to think a potential POTUS would race-bait.
Is this a foreign policy preview?
Pit one group against another, incite.
It is what his cousin is doing in Kenya, right?
Does it run in the family, or is it just Chicago politics, that were also exported to Kenya?
The Governor of PA., Ed Rendell, said the same thing. He knows his state. He knows there are people who voting according to race. So do 90% of AFRICAN AMERICANS, but that’s OK? Why is it acceptable that 90% of AAs, in almost EVERY state, vote for BO because he’s black, but when people vote for a candidate because they’re white, THAT’S racist? I do-not-get-that-fucked-up-logic.
Let’s throw in the EXTREME racism preached by RACIST REV. WRIGHT AND FARRAKHAN in BO’s church where he sat for 20 FREAKIN’ YEARS…just for good measure. The entire WORLD now knows how AAs feel about white people and that’s acceptable? It’s not acceptable to me, but now I know how they feel. It’s something filed in my memory forever. I won’t forget any time soon. TRUST ME.
I don’t buy it, anyway. These are people speaking for people. Look at what these people say about how I feel and think. They are way off base.
I do not believe it’s due to his race. I do believe it’s due to his culture, and by that I mean, the church he chose to attend, the friends he chose to have around him, and the elitist attitude.
He has scared many people. Now, small-minded idiots can label that racism, but I don’t. It is caution that says, “Wait, I am not on board with putting in a position of world power someone who calls a man clearly anti-semitic and anti-white his mentor.”
That’s a moderate-to-conservative Democratic position that is not racist but does reflect a lot of commonsense, in fact.
He should have taken VP under Clinton, gotten years of experience under his belt. PROVEN himself to the American public and succeeded Clinton after her 8 years.
That’s 16 years of solid Democratic Leadership.
Now we get shit.
That would have been better but it’s not that good in absolute terms. Obama is a CROOK. It’ never good to have crooks around.
Since Hillary is getting kicked around by her own party anyway and will probably be faulted if Obama doesn’t win why shouldn’t she cross over parties and run as VP with McCain. You know, since they’re such good friends and all.
I’d vote for that ticket too but I don’t think there’s a freezer big enough for that snowball’s chance
Denise,
Do the words “political suicide” mean anything to you?
I’m just sayin’.
Justice
I agree..
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Clinton_Dems_Against_Obama/
WTF is this from USAAfrica that Obama is Kenyan born??
http://www.usafricaonline.com/news.html
Kenyan chickens coming home to roost.
Too bad recent polls out show that Obama is winning … wait for it … women, blue-collar workers, whites, blacks, Latinos … so your fantasies are not coming to fruition.
Who was polled by the pollster? Were they all AAs? Were a MAJORITY polled AAs? Did they poll in Chicago? How about SC? Which poll is that? The one floating around in your pea brain?
YOU PEOPLE have a rude awakening coming. It’s best to start your meds now so you’re better able to handle the downfall when it happens.
Don’t believe it Tim, that pollster was bamboozled.
Yep. And your dreams – everyone else’s nightmares – are. And that is a good thing?
How old is Tim from NYC? Has he had his 15th b-day yet? Has he had his first pimple? Has his voice dropped yet? Has he done the dirty with a member of the opposite sex? With the same sex? With a household pet that doesn’t complain? With an inflatable?
Good luck with your therapy. Take one day at a time.
Hillary ran a good fairly good campaign, and lost.
She did not plan for the long haul and managed money poorly. It is over.
True democrats, come onboard and help defeat John McFool! All othere, continue to be led astray by the rethuglican owners of this and similar sites, it’s your choice. You cannot stop the surge to elect the Democratic Nominee, Barack Obama. Climb aboard, or get left behind.
Justice
Well good luck with that “lock step” neo con attitude
You are a mirror image of those you profess to fight against.
Shame on you!
I am now proudly “unaffiliated” along with my “bitter old MOM” of 84 and SHE is the one that forced the issue, day and time of doing it!
She WANTED to go to the office here in town and wave it around and proclaim her disgust but I wouldn’t let her. LOL
So, we did the other option I mentioned before at the Library (quietly)
The revolution has begun and it won’t be televised indeed. Until Nov that is.
Then you can “get over it”
:-/
Go away, Goebbels.
I would rather take a bullet than vote for Oblahblah.
Hillary or McCain, no Hussein!
Bella THAT is extreme!!
Our country has not come to that!
YET
and not so long as there is breath in my body!!
See ya at the finish line.
Plastic Jesus on my dashboard, where it belongs!
What crisis will 0buma have today?
Got Judgement?
NO MEANS NO!
Fat chance. THIS 35 year Democrat is NOT voting for BO. He’s the last person I would vote for. Now, go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under.
I don’t know about the rest of the folks posting here, but as a lifelong Democrat, getting up in my years, I’m getting very DAMNED TIRED of the youngsters telling me what is or what is not a “true Democrat. I have never visited an Obama friendly website to harangue the folks there about how they should vote, what issues should be of paramount importance,or to question their sanity. That would be rude and impolite. However, if they show up here and try to pull this nonsense, we are under no obligation to refrain from being rude or impolite.
Another Obamabot comments.
He must be really scary to use paid mercenary bloggers. I was in pro McCain chat yesterday and Obamabots come there to to make trouble. We had to shutdown whole chat and try new meeting today in password protected room. We are so angry at Obamabots that we made collective decision to donate special donation of 100$ each of us as protest to them.
cheers /will
True democrats (notice the small ‘d’) stand up and fight for democracy. The Democratic Party does not recognize or support true democrats, and democracy, at this time.
True democrats do not vote for candidates that are selected, not elected.
True democrats put democracy above all other issues.
People all over the world have fought and died, and are still fighting and dying for democracy. The least we can do is fight with words and votes.
We study history so we don’t make the same mistakes as were made in the past. History tells us how democracy was taken away when people sat idly by or followed the wrong leader.
America sat idly by, and re-elected him, while Bush and his cohorts began taking away our freedoms, starting with our votes.
Are we going to allow our votes to be taken away again? Have we not learned anything?
This is about democracy.
Oh seriously you piece of shit: fuck off. And I mean that in a nice way. Go bugger your friend Tim in NYC. LOL
Wow!
There is a new sheriff in town. Check out this new Obama site.
GAME OVER!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
Sweet…
Justice
Game Over?
Hahahaha!
Yes for Johnson, Wright, Pflegler, Farrakhan,
and wait…for…it…
Plastic Jesus!
Obama did cocaine and had his tiny peepee sucked off by Larry Sinclair.
I think people who are teetering on voting for Obama instead of McCain surely will change their minds when -
1) the Michelle Obama tape comes out, and you realize that she and her husband share an extreme hatred for people who are not Black or don’t practice Black Liberation Theology,
2) have an understanding of just what Black Liberation Theology and Nation of Islam stand for – both instrumental in Obama’s beliefs for over 20 years.
3) his overseas tape is revealed to show just how much he despises America and perhaps a wish to have it fall into further decay,
4) read his autobiography to see how similar it is to Mein Kampf as Obama is too a racialist and has a hair-trigger temper when it comes to issues HE perceives (albeit it true or not) to be because of his race, even against people who were his closest friends or family members (remember Grandma?).
5) his wife’s extreme intolerance bordering on cruelty in her treatment of those she doesn’t like (which pretty much makes up everyone), (birds of a feather flock together? His own elitism and arrogance and belittling of others,
6) his extreme leftist – even Socialist/Communistic like political ideaologies as documented by his awful policies and book (as well as his wife’s and supporters like Ayers’ statements). His calling for a redistribution of wealth, increasing taxes for everyone in the form of payroll Social Security taxes – that may not even be there by the time those who pay it are old enough to receive it) – a kind of robbing from the rich to pay the poor that time and time again has proven doesn’t work and ends up causing even greater economic woes as people can then no longer have income to start their own businesses and jobs then are lost on a massive scale,
5) his indoctrination at a young age into possible radical Islam – as evidenced by the close ties he keeps with Odinga in Kenya – a man who kills dissenters and wants to institute Sharia law,
6) corruption ties yet to be discovered (I know – so many already revealed and yet so much more to go).
7) direct ties with mafias, militant groups, revolutionary groups, racist anti-white groups, etc etc
Too numerous to go on – but I think just the above should make people seriously reconsider if they plan on voting for Obama or staying home, particularly if you live in a swing state. We know these guys cheat, the only way to prevent it is to vote in an overwhelming majority for McCain. We can survive another Bush term with a Democratic congress to reign him in, can you say with 100% conviction the same about an Obama presidency? Do you even trust the guy to keep us safe or to protect America? We are in dangerous times and we need a competent and experienced President. Hillary is the best, but given the situation, McCain is the only other viable option.
I agree mostly, but I don’t have a problem with Muslim ties. It’s just a religion. What I do have a problem with is the hate-mongering of his Christian church.
That’s embarassed all of us, but most certainly I feel for AA Christians who must cringe everytime that horrible tape runs.
I grew up in the South and certainly have no problem with the style of preaching. That’s a long-standing tradition. Ditto for the church being a place where the preacher wields considerable influence politically. That’s the deal.
But the hate part was not, I insist, a traditional part of the sermons. That is not right.
Yes – the majority of people practice moderate Islam which preaches freedom and deference to a god, what is scary is those who practice “radical” Islam – an extreme form that calls for violence and racial hatred, just like some instances of Nation of Islam, Panthers, KKK, even extreme BLT (even more extreme than Wright). This is the frightening form that most, if not all, peaceful Muslims denounce as do the majority of the people in the world. And yet, it is the form spreading rapidly through Indonesia – where Obama lived for a time. We deserve a straight answer from him as to what kinds of Islamic teachings did he receive. I honestly would take his word for it – if only he would actually address the issues of concern about him, especially when strong evidence exists.
No I was speaking to the OBAMABOTS
and there are Obamatrons
the BOTS are the paid and unpaid trolls that come to PRO HILLARY SITES to make trouble.
Excellent- thanks for the clarification!
Yes, The Obama campaign in S.C. should have never distributed that 4 page memo, bringing racial divisiveness into the primary race.
It was disturbing to think a potential POTUS would race-bait.
And of course Hillary Clinton would NEVER stoop that low would she?
The Obama campaign in S.C. should have never distributed that 4 page memo, bringing racial divisiveness into the primary race.
The timeline is recorded for all posterity.
Obama played the race card!
That’s what happens when one has no experience or qualifications for a job, turn to gutter tactics.
Michelle never spoke from the pulpit at Trinity
No, she spoke at a gathering, but not from the pulpit.
Michelle never used that word. (whitey)
No, she used “why’d he.”
There is no tape of Michelle speaking from the pulpit and using “that word” – OK?
Nice lawyering language.
The “why did he” talking point, directly contradicts the talking point that there is no tape.
Maybe in 0bumaland you can have it both ways.
Good point. I don’t believe anything these people say. I even question what they mean by “that word.” Strange way to put it.
Well, there’s a documentary coming out this fall on the Oblahblah’s, so let’s just sit tight and see, shall we? The guy was on teevee last night and also did a doc on Hillary, was a big hater and tried to trash her and Bill for years. He was asked who he would vote for if it was Hillary vs. Obama. He said Hillary hands down any day of the week. Hmmmmm. Something tells me after this doc is released before Nov election, Oblahblah will be lucky to carry Illinois.
Here’s yet another problem:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/hispanic-dems-warn-obama-he-risks-losing-latino-voters-2008-06-11.html
I’ve been waiting for the Latinos to chime in. Note that they suggest that the only SURE
Here’s yet another problem:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/hispanic-dems-warn-obama-he-risks-losing-latino-voters-2008-06-11.html
I’ve been waiting for the Latinos to chime in. Note that they suggest that the only SURE way to get that voter bloc is to put Hillary on the ticket.
“She has Latinos in the palm of her hand.”
Unless you count the caucui, where brown shirt intimidation, illegal campaigning, voter sheet forging, and other stuff went on. (All plainly posted on youtube.)
0buma only carried egghead neo-libs, and AA’s.
Hillary has all the other groups in her 18 Million voter army!
What was interesting to me is that the Latino political Dems are the ones warning him. McCain may have made his conservative bloc mad by joining on the failed amnesty bill last year, but he certainly did not make his Latino bloc mad with it, did he? *haha
Checking the electoral map latest polls, guess where the toss-up states will likely be? Well, golly gee, it’s just what Hillary knew. It’s Nevada, NM, CO…..all heavy Latino states.
Right now, Obama leads in only 1: CO, and that’s by a hair.
Donna Brazile said that they do not need Latinos and white working class to win and also she said she would quit if the Superdelegates picked the nominee…I am still waiting Brazile.
Well, Donna also is a nitwit. As usual, this election will be won or lost by Latinos in the West.
Don’t forget CA, Latinos now outnumber every other ethnic group here and they decide who can win in CA. If you want to win, you need to listen to them and actually respect them – just like McCain is doing.
This is so weird. A few minutes of Googling will show anyone who cares to know what an unqualified, crooked, cheating pol the little guy is.
He, Sen. Obama is not getting my family vote.
AnninCa – Pffft!
All Hillary has in the palm of her hands are her unpaid campaign bills!
Belittle latinos much? (palm of her hand…)
You know the deal, fool
Sweet…
Justice
I am not offended she does have us.
Latina
Oh, you’re OT, but there’s a very good article that yet validates my remarks by you guys on Real Clear POlitics.
I knew that was hooey.
Sure enough, there’s a plan Hillary is floating right now about just how to handle her debt that would essentially put her ….. are you ready for this one? Get ready to have a headache….
In the position of having money power to increase her clout with the GE.
*haha
Check it out on RCP. It explains how she can retire her debt legally and still end up with a sizeable chunk left.
Really, that’s when I knew the press was just being silly nillies. Nobody who has over 100 million is worrying about a small debt. And her total debt was bound to be in large part to “soft” vendors, such as consultants. They have no problem waiting.
I do not think you’ll be asked to contribute a dime to her debt if she gets the go-ahead for her plan.
Fuck off dumb ass. Hillary has every voting demographic Obamarhoid has alienated. Like:
The Italian Garlic nosed voter
The working class voter
The rural voter
The gun cling voter
The Religion clinging voter
The “typical white” voter
The blue collar voter
The Catholic voter
The Jewish voter
The anti-illegal immigration voter
The bitter voter
So, brainless wonder, that leaves Obamarhoid with the AAs and the so-called “creative class.” FACT: Obamarhoid will NEVER be the President.
You really have to wonder what the hell they were thinking pissing off every single demographic group other than the two! They really don’t want to win or really believe people will just automatically throw aside all resentments and self-respect…
BluDawg,
So Hillary still has all 18 million of those voters, huh?
Reality awaits you….in November!
Sweet…
Justice
so what’s your idea of sweet justice?
all us “Honkeys” being put in our place for what our dirty old ancestors did to some great great great relative of your neighbors brother?
think again
Most of those living in America in 2008 sympathize with the past plight of blacks in America but MOST of those living in America in 2008 have little or nothing to do with causing that problem.
Unfortunately by now blaming MOST of America for this you have gone one step too far (imo) and then by the DNC’s go along to get along lock step DEM WINNING at any cost bully tactics has BACKFIRED BIG TIME!
You made your bed (as my Mom has said) now LAY IN IT!
I want to see what the repugs do about ERIC HOLDER! Another washington Scumbag!
Mickey,
No she does NOT have you, or you would have done as she TOLD YOU and support Barack Obama…you know, the Democratic party Nominee.
I guess she only has you when it is convenient for you to be had by her!
Please vote for McCain, it becomes you and you will not be missed.
Dismissed, be gone!
Sweet…
Justice
GET A CLUE: Obamarhoid is NOT the nominee until the votes are cast in August at the CONVENTION. Are you REALLY this stupid? Of course you are. Most Obamarhoid’s are.
You mean like you. She was there for us and still will be. Can you say the same thing about your fake GOD Obama idiot. Remember when he was envited to Louisiana for AA convintion and only Hillary showed up because your God was too busy running, well so was Hillary and she still showed up. That is what I trust…so can you say the same thing about your GOD? Go spread you crums somewhere else. Shoo Go away!
About the ‘Obama born in Kenya’ rumour, Snopes has tackled it:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=29227
The thing is- I believe there is a valid debate to be had about many of Obama’s policies and his connections, but some of the things Ive read elsewhere on the net and seen on TV are just sheer batshit insane. I recall seeing about three women on TV express the opinion that they believe Obama is the anti-Christ discussed in the book of revelations- they were dead serious. A couple of other people were firmly of the belief that he was a secret muslim leading a ’sleeper cell’ to convert the US into an islamocracy
the Michelle Obama tape comes out, and you realize that she and her husband share an extreme hatred for people who are not Black or don’t practice Black Liberation Theology,
What the dickens is black liberation THEOLOGY?
Hey Foreigner Letter M
Don’t they have GOOGLE in your COUNTRY?
come ON!
About the ‘Obama born in Kenya’ rumour, Snopes has tackled it:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=29227
The thing is- I believe there is a valid debate to be had about many of Obama’s policies and his connections, but some of the things Ive read elsewhere on the net and seen on TV are just sheer batshit insane. I recall seeing about three women on TV express the opinion that they believe Obama is the anti-Christ discussed in the book of revelations- they were dead serious. A couple of other people were firmly of the belief that he was a secret muslim leading a ’sleeper cell’ to convert the US into an islamocracy…in the end, valid criticisms of him are going to be drowned out by this kind of stuff and he will benefit because its the crazy section of his opponents who will be heard loudest.
the Michelle Obama tape comes out, and you realize that she and her husband share an extreme hatred for people who are not Black or don’t practice Black Liberation Theology,
What the dickens is black liberation THEOLOGY?
Black Liberation Theology (BLT) as described by a Black professor of religion:
1) everything bad in world is white man’s fault – cause of his racism towards Blacks.
2) perpetual victimization instilled in Black members.
3) call for redistribution of wealth – Slave Reparations to strict Socialism/Marxism.
Oh – lastly, awful hatred of white people – referred to as the “white enmey” aka Michelle Obama’s supposed word “whitey”.
RedDragon62,
You ARE a reTHUGlican, wouldn’t you already know what you are going to do?
Justice
Dawnelle,
What the hell are you talkin’ about?
Have you sprang a guilt leak, or something?
I neither want or need anything from you.
Calm yourself, please…
Sweet…
Justice
ok somebody kick me
I’m talkin to a TROLL BOT!!!
what a waste of perfectly good server space
a dying breed fortunately
I wish I could call on posters here to settle down and have a calm rational debate but Id be lying- Im enjoying the tiff which is currently developing.
Dawnelle…
Feel better?
Sweet…
Justice
Oh but you do, sweetie. You need our votes. Otherwise you wouldn’t be in here trying to guilt-trip us into voting for your Precious.
You need’em. You can’t have’em. There, I think our discussion is ended and all points have been fairly covered.
Guys, ignore this troll and the others. They are like children who throw tantrums just goet attention, even if it’s negative attention. Their boy is cratering under the McCain attacks and they can’t handle it.
Ignore them.
On a more cheerful subject, I’m sooo glad Joe Scarborough is back on Mornin’ Joe. Today he eviscerated BO and it was…sweet…sweet justice…LOL.
Ok M,
Stop laughing, this is serious dialog, not to be trifled with; you have been warned.
Sweet…
Justice
Stop laughing, this is serious dialog, not to be trifled with; you have been warned.
That sounded almost ominous- YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. I do think you are going over the top Justice- and Im not even anti-Obama (Im a proud member of the apathy party)
Wrong, DancingOpossum…
I do NOT care who you vote for, all that matters to
me is who I vote for and why. You see, I will not cast my vote in anger. I am a Democrat and I will vote that way for several obvious reasons. I will not “take my ball and go home” because my candidate lost the nomination.
I do NOT give a fat baby’s ass what you do…you read me?
Sweet…
Justice
M, M, M
I am just joking…nothing ominous.
How are you today?
Justice
I don’t know if you lost the Jim Johnson article in the server “problem” or not. This comment belongs there, but I’ll post it here.
Craig Crawford, on Trail Mix talks about Obama’s out of touch response (ramblings about playing games and vetting the vetters) when asked why he chose someone like Johnson to vet VP candidates. Craig went on to say that Johnson ran Mondale’s campaign and gave him very poor advise. Reagan had performed poorly during a debate (can’t even picture that one), yet Johnson advised Mondale not to “go after him”. Crawford ended his article by stating:
I don’t think Obama has the proper judgement, especially in choosing advisors and backers, to be POTUS. Why the DNC has forced him in is far beyond me.
It’s called power. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, Patrick Leahy, Donna Brazille, Howard Dean, et al all want power. Ted Kennedy doesn’t want another Clinton in office. There is a lot of jealousy going on. President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton far outweigh any of these idiots in intelligence. They had to cook the process to deny Hillary the nomination. However, it will come back to bite them on the ass when he loses. I’m holding out hope that some of the superdelegates get off their ass and do the right thing and throw their support behind Hillary. If they don’t we have to do everything we can to elect McCain. Obama can never be allowed in the White House. The thought of it makes me sick.
They’re all extremely weak and ineffective – jealousy to the extreme. Notice how they’re also all previous losers? (McGovern, Dean, Mondale, Brazile, etc etc). I guess losers stick together – as surely the winners don’t want them.
DancingOpossum
I gotta agree that Mornin’ Joe is more interesting when Scarborough is present. Sometines it is hard not to like the guy…
Justice
I am just joking…nothing ominous.
How are you today?
Not bad at all- and being virtually neutral this election isnt going to affect my blood pressure at all thankfully. I live in Africa- we’ve got bigger problems!
About the ominous comment-its hard to tell what someone’s tone is over the internet so I missed the fact that you were joking.
Ha,Ha….sorry.
I also am not fighting the election war. I like to come here and kick up a bit of dust. This site is pretty much “out there.” People in denial…their candidate lost….grieving process and all!
Justice
M,
Have a pleasant day and keep your head up!
Sweet…
Justice
I live in Appalachia. Obama does not connect with voters here.
We are not stupid. We see right through the Fraud.
No amount of Axelrod “reintroduction” of the presumptive Democratic nominee is going to change our minds.
So, Democratic Party, let’s see you win in November without PA, OH, WV, KY, IN, NC, VA, and TN!
Add AR to your list.
Message to the base ( i.e. working-class whites )from Donna Brazile: ” Stay Home. “
But seriously, does anyone outside of a few delusional nuts think that anyone with any credibility take anything posted on this blog as anything other than the insane rantings of a few delusional nuts? Larry Craig is more credible than Larry Johnson.
absolutely…..let me guess…..you love HuffPo’s druge reports.
So classy. LOL*
I live in Southern California and I believe it will be a swing state this year. I don’t think that the Dems have it sown up. My area is heavy latino and they don’t have a problem with John McCain, but they are less than happy with Obama and the DNC. We in California are pretty fed up with our congress people as well. Nancy Pelosi is a joke, can’t wait for her to be voted out.
http://www.hcsfjm.com/grfm.html
On July 4, 2008, we want at least 1 million Hillary Clinton supporters to send John McCain $5.44. This is a small amount for all of us and we can send it easy. If we can get 1 million people to donate this amount, then we will have sent the Democrat Party a signal they cannot ignore.
With at least one million people doing this, the DNP will suddenly realize that they have to change or lose. Don’t worry about the media, the McCain people will let them know that we have set a new 1 day record for the most money ever received.
Now get out there and blog to the whole world what we are doing. It is now up to us to make this happen and we can and we will,
What’s his address?
Everytime I see a poll saying Obama is ahead of McCain I laugh. Polls, most of them, are fixed. I just saw one on CNN as I passed by it this morning. It boggles the mind that the superdelegates were installed so as to prevent an unelectable candidate from winning the nomination. However, here they have thrown their support behind an unelectable candidate. I have also being hearing from the talking heads on television that we Hillary supporters will come around and vote for Obama because we’re so afraid of McCain. What garbage. I will never vote for that puke. Hillary or McCain.
I think the pollsters were way off, for sure. I’m not sure fixed is the right word. Skewed slightly?
But the real point is that his expected spike is pitiful.
He’s still tanking.
I have a question which has been asked before, but I missed the answer: How did Obama afford a $1.6 Million house in 2004? How did his salary jump from $200,000+ to $1 Million plus? (Okay, maybe it’s two questions, though the second is probably the answer to the first. )
The explanation I’m seeing is that he wrote 2 books and profited well from them. But the first book was written in 1995 and apparently didn’t do that great until he wrote the second book in 2006, at which time the first book was rereleased and then did well.
Can anybody spell it out for me, please?
Auchi – an Iraqi billionaire gave the money to Rezko so that Rezko’s wife could buy the empty piece of land next door to Obama’s mansion (you had to buy both as per the deal for the sale – empty lot was worth $600K+). Rezko’s wife bought the lot on the same day that Obama bought his house. Then sold him a small strip for $100K+, making the her lot next door officially too small to build on, increasing Obama’s mansion’s value through the roof as no pesky neighbors could build next door. She then sold it to a law firm related to Rezko/Auchi. Basically, a $600K “discount/corrupt money” for Obama, with an additional $300K discount on the mansion from the seller. This is how Chicago dirty politics is played as well as how you buy off politicians.
The Obamas purchased the 1.6 million dollar house in 2005, not 2004. And according to the Chicago Tribune they did it with money earned from Barack first book, advances on his next, and Michelle’s $316,962-a-year position as vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals. They also got a 1.32 million dollar mortgage from Northern Trust. For the record the house was not purchased from Tony Rezko.
McCain isn’t advertising HEAVILY in Massachusetts and New Hampshire just for his own personal amusement.
You’re going to see tradiditonally blue states getting a rosy glow about them. And those smug little Obama shits, with their great big FUCK YOU to their elders, will be responsible for it, too.
This pissant, in-your-face attitude they display may work amongst their grunting, lazy, gimme-gimme peers, but it doesn’t work at all in dealing with the “work” generation. You know, those old bastards who all their life, reliably went to something called “work” every day, and who reliably do that “voting” thing at every election.
And of course, when Obama gets his ass handed to him come November, they’ll all whine “RAAAAAAAAACISM!” They won’t see that they backed an inferior candidate, rhat they laughed off something known as “SEXISM!” and they “touted” their cult leader’s campaign by being complete and total ASSHOLES to older voters.
People are known by the company they keep–at least, that’s how these OLDER voters feel. Obama is surrounded by a preponderance of obnoxious, rude, overbearing, fact-free shitheads who are stuck in TRANSMIT mode–and what they’re transmitting should, for health and safety reasons, be flushed to a waste treatment facility.
If Obama actually has good traits (he sure is good at COPYING stuff he thinks will work from others, I have yet to see ANYTHING ORIGINAL from him at all), the ASSHOLES who support him are sure managing to obscure them with their own ASSHOLE-ish behavior!
By his “friends” we shall know him….but with friends like the ones I’ve seen here at NQ championing the Obama Cause, old BO doesn’t need any enemies!!
the democrats have failed america!! obama is the best they could do? come on people wake up!! the democratic party is finished! I”ve been a registered dem for 10 years now!! but I’m done..i can’t support a party that would put barack obama in position to lead!! research!! obama is a staunch liberal!! a liberal cannot run this country!! his racist affiliations just make immpossible for him to get “whitey’s” vote!! thats the icing for me.. but the guy has never doen anything!! WTF, a liberal can’t be prez, just like how a neocon can’t be!! Bush ran as a conservative and then was owned by neocon thinktanks!! look what happened!!! now the dems think a faRRRR left liberal can rep america!! gimme a break… america wake up!!!!! michelle obama is a big racist!!! if america votes for barack they get what they deserve!!! he’s a radical left wing racist! IMO!! I as a dem could NEVER vote for that!! you can’t go to a black sepratist racist church for 20 YEARS and not agree with them!!!WAKE UP!!!! obama is NOT qualified to in congress IMO, let alone be prez! the democrats are a JOKE!! hillary was actually better for dems!!!
I’ve heard black folks say and write that they will vote obama JUST because he’s black!! thats brutally racist!! he’s not qualified..bottom line..this guy cannot work with republicans at all! look at his record for proof!! if barack is elected our country will splinter apart and fall apart!! Mccain isn’t the savior either but at least he doesn’t proclaim to be!
WAKE UP!!!!! this is truly the saddest time in the history of the democratic party!!! and for america if somehow he can fool the “whiteys” to vote for him
“Basically, a $600K “discount/corrupt money” for Obama, with an additional $300K discount on the mansion from the seller. This is how Chicago dirty politics is played as well as how you buy off politicians.” It would be nice to think this was just ignorance, but I don’t see how that is possible.
What happened is that a single estate was divided into 2 lots for sale. The condition was that both sales had to be closed on the same day. To say, as “No to B.O.” does that “you had to buy both as per the deal for the sale” is just flat out wrong.
The Obamas bought the house for 1.6 million, which was, yes, 300,000 less than the asking price! But you live in a strange universe indeed if the only possible accounting for this is corruption.
“No to B.O.” himself admits that the Obamas only purchased a small portion of the Rezko’s land so even by his own accounting of the facts this wouldn’t be a “$600K discount/corrupt money”, it would be a small portion of that.
Finally with a couple of minutes spent googling a person can find out: a) the amount of land the Obamas purchased was about 1500 sq. ft b) it was about 1/6 of the Rezko property.
Meaning the Rezko property is still about 7500 sq ft. I am going to take a guess here and say that isn’t “officially too small to build on”.
There’s no reason to be telling lies like this about Obama when you can accomplish the same thing by telling the truth about Obama.