RBC Selectively Enforced Its “Rules”
By LisaB on June 12, 2008 at 5:15 PM in Current Affairs, Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Florida, Michigan
The saga of the Florida and Michigan would-be delegates to the Democratic National Convention took an interesting turn today.
As most people probably know, both Florida and Michigan moved their primaries forward in defiance of party rules. As a result, FL and MI were stripped of their delegates and much hilarity ensued, with the RBC finally meeting to determine how, if at all, the delegates from FL and MI would be seated at the convention. More hijinks.
What you may not know is that Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina also moved their primaries up in defiance of the “rules.”
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As reported at The Confluence, (lots more detail there), these three states were allowed to move their primaries up, but not before certain dates.
Iowa was NOT supposed to go before 1/5. The caucus was held 1/3.
New Hampshire was NOT supposed to go before 1/22. The primary was held 1/8.
South Carolina was NOT supposed to go before 1/29. The primary was held 1//26.
The above information is from a document submitted as part of the lawsuit over delegate seating. The document clearly shows that Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina were also “noncompliant” in the matter of scheduling primaries/caucus.
So, there were five states that moved up their delegate selection process in defiance of written rules stating when those primaries could be held. And according to the “rules,” (rule Rule 20 C 1 a, to be specific) ANY state that moved its selection process up beyond an acceptable date is supposed to have 50% of its delegates stripped.
And yet only two states had delegates stripped. How does that work?
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OMG it is called Make Up The Rules As You Go. How clever!
I was reading a long back and forth about these rules on Corrente Wire. Again, we are going down the wrong path, when we should be talking about the rule that Superdelegates can’t vote before the convention. The DNC handed over the Dem Party apparatus on the bogus claim that Obama’s the nominee when he’s not. (Go ahead, check their website www. democrats.org.) He didn’t get enough pledged delegates. The Supers can’t vote till August. It’s June. He’s not the nominee, so the transfer is nothing short of a coup de tat.
Now, what makes this whole Barack is the Nominee deception work publicly is Sen. Clinton’s endorsement. She was wrong to give it, since she said she would stay in the race “until there’s a nominee.” Remember that? “If you don’t quit on me, I won’t quit on you?” So part of our efforts entail shaming her as well as the DNC for bad behavior.
Neither Clinton nor Obama is giving the keynote at the Florida State Party’s Jefferson Jackson Dinner, which tells you something right there. They both know it’s a fiction, this Barack is the Nominee business. But as long as we buy into the media/DNC/Clinton deception, it will be hard to make any headway here.
Remember, Donna Brazille’s Mama always told her to respect the rules!
Is this the Same Donna Brazile whose Mama taught her to steal them Michigan votes?
No-one stole any votes. None of the votes counted as it was a pointless beauty contest. FF
Obama not only took HIS name off the MI ballot, but orchestrated with other candidates to do the same for the purpose of hurting Hillary in Iowa.
THEN he happily received 4 of Hillary’s MI delegates.
Obama is dirty.
That is what Obama thinks of your Constitutional rights to vote including the 15th and 19th amendments… We’re supposed to trust this guy with SCOTUS appt’s?
We had a State-Certified Primary in Michigan and people voted, Hillary got 55%, 40% voted “not committed” and 5% for Kucinich,Dodd, Gravel etc. Michigan rules state that the “not committed” delegates will go to the convention not bound to any candidate. The DNC and Coward Dean had the choice of counting the votes as cast, or not counting them, but they NEVER had the right to CHANGE the votes. I reject the Democratic Party and the Wingnuts running the place. The money comes from George Soros and they all dance to his tune, this Party has sold it’s soul.
Hasn’t she quit the Democratic Party? snark
Rosa Parks broke the rules!
It’s simple.
Obama couldn’t win those.
Duh.
The OBmedia will NEVER talk about this!!!!!!!! NObama08
Some states are better than other states, that’s why. Donna still has to hold true to her word and quit since she said she would if superdelegates decided the contest.
Yes, yet another example of blatant disregard of the “roolz” by the DNC.
All hail the DaliBama!
Love the name and LOVE DaliBama!!!
Who knows how to play Scrabble … if you Break the Rules, You go to Jail … 2 States Effectively broke the rules and they Had to be Disciplined .. I bet you in 4 Years they would not make the same Mistake ….
That Said … Vote Wisely …
http://www.fightthesmears.com/
Vote President Obama ‘09
Vote No for a Fascist takeover of our government on Nov. 4th.
That means NO to Barak Hussein Obama, no way, no shape, no form.
THAT’s what it means to vote wisely.
If any state had a case for unavoidably breaking the rules, it was FL. Their Republican legislature set the calendar. The rules say, FL should have kept all their delegates. IA, SC and NH all broke the rules. So, they should have been stripped of half of their delegates. MI likewise should have been stripped of half their delegates from the beginning. Nowhere does it say the Democrats should strip ALL the delegates from a state.
The Four State Pledge cannot override the rules. The candidates agreed that IA, NH, SC and NV would go first in the primary calendar. They agreed not to campaign in FL. All the candidates followed these terms. No one said anything about MI and FL not counting. The media reported on this a year ago, and then I saw the most biased coverage. I saw articles that called Hillary a liar and perpetuated the make the rules up as you go along meme.
What is the matter with someone tagging their post with Vote President Obama? That’s the tip-off right there that this person does not understand you only call someone President AFTER you vote. Then they’ve got a link for fightthesmears dot com. I suppose I’d be smearing President Obambi, if I pointed out there hasn’t been an election yet or even a convention.
Maybe he meant “vote present, Obama”
ROFLMAO
Did you read what was written? that other states were moved up and the rules didn’t apply to them.
I think they should take it to court and SC, Iowa
NH have their delegates cut in half.
Why are you even here you troll, it seems Hillary4
obama can’t read
You are so right about states that break the rules being punished. Iowa, SC and New Hampshire should lose 50% of their votes immediately and since this is all in arrears, they should be charged an additional fee and wipe out everything. We will always fight the candidate who smears the most — Obama rolls in dog poop daily!
http://www.fightthesmears.org
There you go! This is the REAL LINK!
haha…
YAWN… you guys all posting the same stupid site… Poor Obama. He needs to play Tarzan: me tough gut fighting smears.
You are pathetic Chitas…. and dense…
But please keep coming to NQ: your traffic makes the site’s popularity soar: thank you !! Number 1 on the charts: YEAH !!!
It’s like something a teenage girl would put on her myspace page to stand up to high school bullies. So typical of Oblahblah.
What’s with the weird language, too. He should have a snopes page or name it something like fact file or something lame.
Go do what you do best Troll. Go a hand?
I cheat at scrabble all the time. Never been to jail.
Do you really mean to send the RNC, DNC to jail? Whoa!
“I attended that church for 20 years, but I never inhaled!”
What about the 4 other states?
SMEAR THAT
FU*K YOU — Fat boy in GAZA.
Obamabot trolls STINK just like their BOBO messiah.
Yes! PLEASE!! If you are going to vote for Obama for President, PLEASE DO IT IN ‘09.
Ignoramus!
Hillary:
Eight years of experience in the White House
Dodged sniper fire for you
HILLARY 2012
troll. ignore the link. If you want the real truth on Barack Obama you wont get it from a pro-obama propoganda site.
If you want the real truth on Barack Obama you definitely WONT get it from a HATE-obama propoganda site (Hint: Like NOQuarter).
Vote Wisely …
Vote Barack Obama 4 President of the USA
http://www.fightthesmears.com/
I will vote wisely.
Hillary
McCain
Absolutely NOBAMA.
Oh and that website is nothing more than another marketing tool….to support the marketing product of Axelrod called….. Obama.
Wise up
yeah – and what is up with the creepy, cheesy graphics they use? like some marginal, fringe site — NOT very presidential!
Vote Bacrack Oblowme in the Back of a Limo for Messiah.
Poor Obama. He needs to play Tarzan: me tough guy fighting smears.
You are pathetic Chitas…. and dense…
Please keep coming to NQ: your traffic makes our site’s popularity soar: thank you !! Number 1 on the charts: YEAH !!!
Every click by an Obamabot is a vote loss for Obama!!
Obama is going down the toilet — FAST.
We’ll vote wisely – and it won’t be for Oblahma.
Yeah … count on it. John McCain.
We’re here after being thrown off the daily Kurse HATE-Hillary propaganda site.
Now beat it.
No you should read his fictitious biography and hear about his goatherder father brought over in a Kennedy-sponsored air lift. Then his mother and father went on a date at Selma. She got pregnant. His father left. Obama grew up surfing, working in the summers on a pineapple farm and attending a nice Catholic school.
more DaliBama propaganda…vote NO for a Fascist takeover of our government on Nov.4th.
Barrack Obama’s Uncle Liberated auchwitz!
Then the decorated uncle went home and lived in the attic!
0buma’s next book:
“Weed’s in the attic”!
I think it was Buchenwald, where they experimented on prisoners and worked them to death.
No, that was the second correction. The final? version was that it was a great uncle who helped liberate a work camp near Buchenwald. Not that the details are really important (all were heroic deeds) but it discredits Sen. Obama’s claim of honoring his “uncle’s” service, when he has no idea what he did.
Please … it was his white family’s relatives after all … those bitter people? What do they matter?
would this be the same uncle who was in the NAVY?
Cause last time i checked Buchenwald wasn’t on a sea port.
It’s Monopoly, HC4OB. So much for brains and analogies.
Five states broke the rules. Only two paid.
Definitely vote wisely.
Don’t vote for Obama, (the empty suit).
This is outrageous. Is there a reason why Hillary’s campaign never mentioned this?
They probably did…the BamaMedia just didn’t report it!
Maybe because HRC fully supports Barack Obama?
troll.
Hillary has to for the party. I do not.
There is no longer a democratic party — that thing is dead.
There is something called the Obamacrat party — but SANE people don’t want any part of the Chicago Political machine — dirty dirty Chicago politics.
Obamabots so you think that by insulting women — specifically white women will make us vote for the loser & sexist Obama???? It is Racist to single out ONE supposed ethnic group. Calling all white people Anglo is also racist. (You idiot Obamabots are forgetting that Asian women, Latino women and the intelligent AA women also will NOT be voting for snObama).
Keep up the good work Obamabots — every time you idiots show up — you are losing votes for your messiah.
I for one keep all the nasty messages and forward them to people who at one time believed that was little difference between Senator Clinton and snObama. So keep up your attacks — they are working — NOT.
The Loyalty Factor – Gallup, June 10
Repubs – 95% Bush04McCain – 85%
Obama – 10%
Dems – 93% Kerry04
Obama – 78%
McCain – 14%
OMG, linking a post from the McCarthyites at Corrente (cross-posted at The Confluence)!
Oh, the humanity!
Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina
Hold on a sec here. My memory is hazy.
1. Iowa went to Barky, right? And they started demanding Hill withdraw already, right? Or at least proclaim she’d lost the campaign?
2. South Carolina was all Barky’s. That I remember.
3. New Hampshire was the one where Hill surprised everyone by winning, right? The MSM said ‘IT CRIES’ and crap like that, right?
So basically the DNC counted on Barky carrying all three states, right?
Yes they did. AND… that is why Obama removed his name from MI…and Edwards helped him.
Obama camp was not sure about MI… and they wanted to embarrass Hillary by saying… more people voted AGAINST Hillary than for her. She can’t even win when she is not running against anyone.
It is a ploy .. a decision…that they are milking now and getting rewarded for.
Also… he campaigned there through GOTV efforts to encourage people to go vote for UNCOMMITTED.
He “says” he really wanted to support the DNC and remove his name.. if that is the case… then why leave your name in FL….where he also campaigned.
And the DNC and OBAMA is willing to manipulate people and their voice and their choice for power and personal ambition.
PUMA
They knew Obama’s strength was in open primaries and red state caucuses where Republicans would vote for him. He knew the media would back him up, even if he started out just winging it.
In MI, the Republicans were holding their primaries at the same time. People would vote for favorite son Mitt Romney. Hillary was predicted to win that state.
Yep. It was a fix. He screwed up NH himself when he performed that incredible feat of political yoga and placed his foot in his mouth while balancing on the other. “You’re likable enough.” Suddenly he wasn’t so nice and hopey changey.
Finally –breaking over at the economist:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11551686
What’s so great about this? Axelrod looks like Hitler, doesn’t he?
Why can’t Barky ever smile? How come we NEVER see a warm smile? How come we never hear a single ‘personal interest’ story where he reached out and helped another fellow human being?
Good question — my answer — snObama has no empathy for other living creatures.
snObama doesn’t have the empthy gene and he never was taught to be empathetic.
snObama is ALL about Obama — he has no room for anyone else.
snObama even speaks about himself using the third person — this is a very sick person.
Hey! This pic looks like the Brady Bunch. You know, when they all look up at each other?
The DNC rigged the election. But we *know* that. And by doing so they threw away the Party’s reputation. They cannot be permitted to gain the Executive by those methods.
McCain is a warhero who NEVER did anything wrong. Anyone who says otherwise is a terrorist and anti-american. Everyone just take your meds and listem to what Rupert Murdoch tells you.
These Obama trolls are insane. Fact is, I haven’t heard of McCain doing anything wrong. And Obama hangs out with terrorists. And Rupert Murdoch said Obama would win by a landslide.
couple these facts with Obama ran ads in Florida for 2 weeks = zero Fl Votes for Obama+
sue in a court of law to remove name off Michigan ballot because only polling 30% of vote= zero votes
HRC could have caught him in pledged state delegates had the rules been followed
But no their mama taught them how to steel from whitey because the whites owe you.
NO To BO
A friendly place to visit:
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
Obama ran ads in Florida for 2 weeks
He also cheated there. IIRC none of them were allowed to campaign but Obama did anyway. I believe that means the candidate is to be stripped of all delegates. Donna never take away Barry’s votes.
But no their mama taught them how to steel from whitey because the whites owe you.
!!!!????
I know this is off topic.
I just recieved a phone call, asking if I had voted for Hillary or Barry, I said Hillary.
I was then asked if I would consider voting for McCain. i said yes.
I was invited to a conference call at 1530 on Saturady.
The wheels are turning and the Barry machine is going down.
Make sure a loved one knows where you’re going. Obama might have one of his thugs throw you in a black van.
Haha…that’s great.
Barackula!
Dang Hope Floats………never thought of that!
Are they looking for more Dems4McCain supporters on the call?
I’m not sure, I have joined PUMA, at least I sent in my email to join, I am in Ohio, Not sure if it is a state thing.
If they had counted Florida and Michigan at the time they voted, Obama would have had little steam going into South Carolina. The very preception of the vote in those two states necessitated the release of a 4 page memo in South Carolina, claiming the Clinton’s were racist.
For me the Dem. primaries became illegitimate on Jan. 29th 2008.
The AP story on the morning of the South Dakota primary needs some splainin too!
What was the AP’s source?
Too many coincidences, too much manipulation
Obuma is illegitimate.
Exactly. Obama played the race card as soon as NH was called for Hillary. Eugene Robinson reported the Bradley Effect. I heard of this mailer, too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/keith-olbermann-names-kat_n_106689.html
lol keith Olberman thinks that the notion that hillary clinton was a victim of sexism is a bit Kool Aid-ish…. not surprising he is one of the members of the media using sexism and pasting the obama propaganda
For KO to say otherwise would be like asking OJ to confess to the crime. We all know he’s guily. KO, that is.
I think The fix was in, it was never meant for Hillary to win, but she fooled them and forced it to to the end, thereby winning the popular vote.
I ALSO THINK THAT BY WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE SHE MADE PRECIOUS LOOK WEAK. I FOR ONE HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY.
I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT FOR TOO MANY YEARS TO SAY ON HERE, AND I AM DONE, I HAVE CHANGED TO INDY UNAFFILITED.
Yes, that’s why she kept pushing them back like a fighter, even though she knew she would be cheated by the DNC in the end. She had to get the popular vote in order to stake her claim to the nomination, if not this on, then the next one in 2012. We all know Obama is going down no matter how dirty he plays against the Republicans.
passing*
the blog Politically Drunk on Power posted
Democratic Disenfranchisement: The Final Report
The post describes how Hillary was deprived of appropriate delegate votes and the issue of how which primaries and when.
A great article.
can you get us a link?
I’m not computer savvy enough to know how to do that. You can get to it through Google:
Politically Drunk on Power
Once on the blog the article is called:
Democratic Disenfranchisement: Final Report
I highly recommend it. Detailed with numbers.
hmmm, if you follow the link through to The Confluence and read the document where the “Documentary proof of RBC ’stop Hillary’ corruption found” was found you’ll see this at the bottom of the page “This calendar represents the UNOFFICIAL date and system currently anticipated or approved by each State Democratic Party for the 2008 delegate selection process”. Think that means anything? With the word ‘unofficial’ all in capitals like that, looks like it might be important.
Steve Geller does, and He’s suing Dean as we speak.
Also big Democratic donors have now requested thier donations back.
Dean might have to sell some of the furniture up there at the DNC, to pay the $24 Million back!
Ha!
Is he suing dean personally?
I did read somewhere where big donors have cut them off. I think that’s why they did the setup with Obama’s donors.
Politically Drunk on Power
Democratic Disenfranchisement: Final Report
is different blog and information than the one cited on the Confluence.
The allowed dates for all states including the first 4 are officially listed in the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules.
That is unofficial I would guess due to the fact that at that point states could still alter their schedule as long as they didn’t go out of compliance with the sanctioned dates.
Howard Dean is the Mob Boss…He does what he wants.
He makes up his own roolz. He will fit in real good with the Chicago Mob.
BTW… you go to jail in MONOPOLY not scrabble…
DUH!
Like they have board games in Palestinian bunkers. They should just stick to Hamas Mouse and clitorectomies.
…and setting wives who piss them off on fire. Oh yea, I want to be friends with these people.
He’s not the mob boss any longer. Barky took over. Dean is a hood ornament now.
UPDATE*****re: Birth Certificate****UPDATE
Interesting fact about KOS birth certificate (found at pro-hillary website):
“Sorry I did not look at this earlier. I just did not want to give any hits to kos. But I took one glance at the so-called birth pontificate
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
and noticed that it lists the county of birth as HONOLULU.
There are only three counties in HI and Honolulu is not one of them.
Hawaii (County)
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, HI 96720
Population: 138,422
Kauai (County)
4444 Rice St Ste 280
Lihue, HI 96766
Population: 56,435
Maui (County)
200 S High Street
Wailuku, HI 96793
Population: 117,013 Map
Source:
http://www.ecivic.us/lists/localgovt/hi_counties.htm“
you are right…it does say that
NO WAY!
Honolulu is a County and City.
Ask the government.
ask hamas?
Hope somebody got a screen shot. Kos will be doctoring that mistake up really fast.
Yup I just googled it. It’s a county and city.
Okay, thanks will let them know.
The sub areas are called “Districts” in Hawaii.
I also checked –
Maui is a county which includes the Island of Molokai.
Whatever — that “birth certificate” at the Orange Stain is more than likely bogus.
I wonder why the certificate number is blacked out. If the document is genuine, what is the need for that?
What some smart ass did was get a duplicate copy of a real birth certificate photoshop the original and then remove the reference number to hide the phony.
It is absolutely hysterical to find these blatant bank-rolled Obama staffers trying to spin blogs!
****OBAMA-WIRE.COM*****
Just Updated: MSNBC Mistakes Porn Site For Obama Site
http://www.obama-wire.com
Booyah!
Great link!
ACK!
I tell you, .org, .com and .net can really grab you. Remember when stupid cheney gave out the wrong site in a debate. .com instead of .org?
I tell you if I didn’t despise MSNBC, I would feel badly for them. May worse shit happen to them.
ROFLMAO>>.Thats just too funny! can you imagine the look on Olbermann’s face when he found out he was giving away a Porn sites URL? That would have been worth watching that shithead just to se the look on his retarded face!
They look great in egg!
We know they pulled an Election 2000 within our own party, the hypcrits. The problem is they know too and they don’t care. And they further don’t care that we know.
The party of The People is now no better than the party they so long criticized for dirty tricks and election rigging. The Democratic party is now officially a mirror image. The extremists in this party are just as foul as the ones in the Republican party. They gave us Bush. Now our party is trying to give us Obama. Same crap, different extreme.
Uppity:
They don’t care because they honestly believe the bullshit coming from team Obama! they actually believe that “WE” will fall in line come Nov. Boy do they have a shock coming their way!
I read somewhere (sorry, no link this time) that those other states received ‘waivers’, thereby allowing them to move their dates up. It could be the loophole the DNC will use.
Yes, they did. The DNC arbitrarily decided which states should get a waiver and which shouldn’t. Florida and Michigans were losers for Obama. End of message.
Treating the 3 States differently, from the other 2 violates the concept of “equal protection under the law”, all states asked for a waiver.
The DNC treated 2.3 million voters differentially.
In Vanilla they discriminated against 2.3 million people.
Yup, they did. And they don’t care if it bothers us. They will in November though.
New Poll: MO less favorable than Cindy McCain:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/11/michelle-obama-viewed-more-unfavorably-than-cindy-mccain-poll-finds/
I wonder why? Now why on Earth would someone think that MO would be perceived as less favorable than Cindy McCain? Maybe it’s the closed-fisted high fives with BO or the giddy as*s slapping by her self-proclaimed nominee husband, or her, how shall I say this delicately…her less than cordial demeanor when she gets all fired up about how proud she is of America.
Can this be considered a “smear”?
Everything’s a smear in nobama land.
Unless you are bowing down and singing their praises.
Duh! It’s obviously a racist smear! Damn that faux news, lying about MO who is every bit as perfect as Mary, the mother of Jesus. Anyone disagreeing is just an irrelevant distraction. (Did I beat them to it?)
The ass slap was really base. I mean this. this is not professional behavior. But what do you want from a guy who pointed out that his cell phone was vibrating so he wasn’t getting “fresh”?
Ewwww.
want to search…look here
http://www.governmentregistry.org/?hop=dcomp22&xsite=GovernmentRegistry&xtarget=&xpath=lp_publicrecords&
ISN’T THIS A BIT LIKE CANCELLING THE ELECTION….HOW TO SHUT OUT 18 MILLION VOTERS
There’s a rumor circulating that team Obama and Howard Dean are negotiating the cancellation of the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver.
The logic makes sense. Since the nominee has already been selected, the party can cancel the expensive 4 day event and put the budgeted monies towards the fall campaign. As part of the deal, all delegates and State funded delegations must deposit their budgeted cost of plane fare and hotel rooms into the Obama for America account. Deposits must be made before September 1, 2008. The party will lose a deposit placed with the Denver convention authority.
Senator Obama is well aware that the people need to see and hear him formally accept the nomination therefore a prime time event is to be scheduled on the evening of what would have been the final day of the convention. This event, with a series of speeches leading up to the big moment, will be held at Chicago’s very own Soldiers Field. It is expected that close to 100,000 adoring fans will be present to hear him accept the nomination of the Democratic Party and to say those awe inspiring words, “I love you back”.
UNITY..NO…….DEMOCRACY..NO…….FASCIST..YES
Is this from the ONION?
And what you obviously don’t know is that RBC granted New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina a waiver to move their primaries the same day it voted to penalize Michigan:
Sorry kids; Paul Lukasiak whiffed this one.
And under what rule did they have the ability to grant those waivers? None.
In fact, the rules very clearly stated there was only one method by which a state would escape a 50% delegate reduction:
You will notice that there is NO EXCEPTION for the “they did it first” excuse. The RBC had no right or ability to grant those waivers.
The Undemocratic Party is a shame. The result was rigged. The race was fixed. We need to hold them accountable for their attempt to manipulate the election.
Can we sue the DNC? Do we have a case?
unfortunately, we have not seen much relief from unfair elections from the courts.
I wonder how a ‘half a person’ feels? The democrats would have to flunk out of clown college to become any more stupid. I’ll submit my half a vote, your turn.
Now Howling Howie is trying to kill the roll call vote at the convention in fear too many will still vote for Shrillary.
Castro, Chavez, the dwarf in Iran, nor the pig faced runt in North Korea were never as good at stealing votes or making all votes go to one person no matter who you voted for. That’s why they are called the ‘democrat’ party and not the ‘democratic’ party. Ain’t nothing democratic or fair about these folks.
FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES….Obama is unfit for any elective office.
There is no way they can cancel the convention. But, then again, who has ever heard of a Presidential candidate moving his party/DNC to his state? This is starting to stink to high heaven. It is not only our right, but our duty to speak out against the DNC and everything else connected to his campaign.
To put it simply, Florida and Michigan moved their dates first, clearly in violation.
The other states – all of whom were permitted to hold their contests in the early window – moved their dates forward BECAUSE of Florida and Michigan. To give a specific example, New Hampshire state law requires their primary to be held before any other. DNC rules allow a waiver to be granted, and it was accordingly.
That’s why only two states had their delegates stripped. Pretty obvious really.
And which rule allows a state to move their primary out of their official window of dates because another state moved their primary? Let me help you with that one – none. There is no exception for being provoked. The RBC had no ability, per the rules, to waive the punishment for those 3 early states.
Pretty obvious that the rules were not equally applied.
You know, Step Beyond, you’d sound much more intelligent if you weren’t completely wrong. As it is, you blatantly obviously haven’t haven’t read the rules. The RBC DOES have the ability to waive punishment. Rule 20.c.7.
Wishful thinking does not a conspiracy make.
Why did Howard Dean and the DNC screwups think they had the right to dictate law to the governing body of Florida? If you don’t like the law then work to get them changed the next time around. But whatever you do don’t do something so utterly stupid as to guarantee that you would lose the most important swing state in the United States. I don’t know if you have actually looked at the electoral map and how it plays out every 4 years but Democrats cannot afford to lose Florida under any circumstance. Lose Florida and you lose the election. In my opinion they were punting on the general election and are unfit to govern in any capacity from here on out. The dem party needs to be disbanded.
This is interesting, too. I saw it posted on Democratic Underground:
The Democrats begrudge the 2000 Bush-Gore Florida recount. They blithely complain when Republicans seek valid measures preventing voter fraud. Why then, are the Democrats suddenly blind, deaf, and dumb when Senator Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee openly avow to disenfranchise voters 1,749,920 in Florida and 594,398 in Michigan? Not only are Obama and the DNC perpetrating a “hi-tech” lynching, but it is blatantly unconstitutional and may even be criminal.
The Democrats allege Florida and Michigan violated the DNC Rule 11.A prohibiting a caucus or primary before Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire. DNC Rule 20.C.1 specifies the punitive measures that both states lose 50% of their vote: Florida 210 delegates, Michigan 156 delegates. The DNC Rules Committee will be meeting this coming Saturday, May 31 to hear Obama’s utterly bizarre plan allowing only the superdelegates (ironically the votes he desperately needs to capture the nomination) to be seated, while delegates elected by popular suffrage are repudiated by being half-counted, oddly reminiscent of a colonial enumeration of freed “Black Men and Indians.”
By why is there even a debate? Constitutional law is unequivocal. Every vote cast must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Deliberately refusing to count votes cast may, under certain fact scenarios, constitute a Federal crime, United States v. Classic, citing now Section 241 of the Federal Crimes Code. Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter, the Democrat’s contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act “very promptly
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Rule 11 clearly prohibits primaries or caucuses from being held prior to the first Tuesday in February, except in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, each of which is assigned very specific limits on when they may hold their contests.
According to Rule 11, Iowa could hold its caucus no earlier than January 14, New Hampshire no earlier than January 22, and South Carolina no earlier than January 29.
Further, in accordance with Rule 20.C: “The number of pledged delegates elected … shall be reduced by 50 percent.”
Moreover, Wayne Barrett, an esteemed political journalist since 1979, reveals that before Rule 20.C or any rule stripping delegates can be enforced, the DNC, under its rules, is required to determine whether the Democrats in a noncompliant state made a “good faith” effort to abide by the party’s electoral calendar, and to only impose the full weight of penalties (i.e. nullifying the entire delegation), only if Democratic leaders in that state misbehaved.
In addition, the rules require the 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee to conduct “an investigation, including hearings if necessary” in order to ascertain if Democratic leaders in a state in violation of Rule 11 “took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith” to keep the state in compliance by either promoting legislation to avoid or preventing legislation that would cause a state to fail to comply to Rule 11.
One of these days the WHOLE truth will be revealed about this farce of a democratic / national socialist primary. WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
McCain ‘08 (no matter who the dem vp is)
1. I live in CA where you can by Birth Certificates, Driver’s Licenses, etc. by the case. I’m not impressed with BO’s.
2. BO/DNC must be very afraid of Hillary & Co. for them to try to cancel the convention, take Hillary’s name off the ballot, and even pack up and leave D.C. Band on the run.
It would be nice if these people would have their facts straight before they came here to “Engage” in verbal Kung Fu! Its not fun anymore
I’ve figured the whole thing out: The DNC doesn’t want to have to change the date of the nomination speech, the 45th of MLK I Have a Dream.
45th anniversary of…
Millions of us would love to know when in the history of campaigns someone running for the nomination/presidency was ever treated in the manner Senator Clinton has been treated thus far? Even Mr. Dean with a paltry 5.7% of the vote showed up on the convention floor in the last nomination cycle. He did not hand over his 103 delegates until the first day of the convention:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/D.phtml
Putting the mute button on voters does not bode well for August or November.
Dr. Coward Dean is the biggest of all hypocrits. He should know better.
[...] (The Confluence) both remind those exasperated voters that DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee selectively enforced its own ‘rules,’ declining to disenfranchise Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hampshire for committing the same [...]
You know, over on BTD Armando said he would outright ban anyone who came onto threads discussing the RBC debacle and spouting rubbish based on non-facts. This was directed at the Obamabots. The kicker? HE IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER. He said he was tired of people using lies and b.s. to make their points and tired of having to constantly re-educate the Obamatots on basic facts.
Meh. Their blind acceptance of truthiness is yet another in the long, long, long, list of ways in which they resemble Dubya’s early followers.
p.s. They have lost EVERY.SINGLE.SCOTUS-related talking point with Obama’s embrace of DOUG KMIEC, whose personal dream is probably to give every woman who gets an abortion the death penalty.
The next time they bring up “BUT THE SUPREME COURT!!!” remind them that Obama’s new boyfriend, Kmiec, is a member in proud standing of the Federalis Society; was a huge defender of Alberto Gonzalez and intervened on Gonzalez’s defense during AttorneyGate; was a prime mover in the impeachment drive of Bill Clinton; thanks Samuel Alito is the greattest justice EVAH; and thinks warantless wiretapping is totally kewl!
Be sure to remind them of all this EVERY single time they try to scare you with SCOTUS appointments. There is NO WAY McCain could pick someone as bad as Kmiec–because Kmiec for some reason hates McCain, and there is nobody worse than Kmiec as a potential judge pick.
They can thank Mr. HopeyChangey for handing you THAT stick to beat them with! LOLOLOL…
It all boils down to this, OBAMA IS NOT THE NOMINEE and he won’t be until the delegates vote at the convention, they could always change their pledge between now and then. Hillary only suspended her campaign, she still has her delegates and many of the Supers are still pledged to her, even though they’re campaigning for OB, they haven’t officially switched to him.