Democratic Delegate Supports McCain
By Uppity Woman on June 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Party, Disenfranchisement, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking, John McCain
Note: This post is being put up simultaneously with TexasDarlin’s report that Debra Bartoshevich has been ousted.
Meet Debra Bartoshevich, A Wisconsin Delegate With Guts. She has refused to support Barack Obama.
….And over at the Orange spot, they believe that people like Debra and we Hillary supporters should be “eradicated”. That’s right. “Eradicated“. If you have any lingering doubts about voting against Barack Obama, this should take care of it:

Way to GO, Ms. Debra Bartoshevich! You didn’t “Line Up”. Now don’t get yourself “eradicated,” you hear?
Delegate’s reversal stuns party
Wisconsin Democrat now publicly supports
McCain
By CRAIG GILBERT
Posted: June 14, 2008Washington - As an avid supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Debra Bartoshevich is not alone in her frustration over Clinton’s defeat.
She’s not alone in refusing to support Barack Obama.And she’s not entirely alone in saying she’ll vote this fall for Republican John McCain instead.But what makes her unusual is that she holds these views as an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.“I’m sure people are going to be upset with me,” said Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse from Waterford in Racine County, and convention delegate pledged to Clinton.Joe Wineke, chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, reacted with disbelief when first told Friday afternoon that one of his state party delegates is now a McCain supporter.“Not a delegate? To the national convention?” said Wineke, who was getting ready for the start of the Wisconsin state party convention Friday in Stevens Point.“We have a Clinton national (convention) delegate who says she’s voting for John McCain?” Wineke repeated, for
clarification. “I’ve never heard of such a thing.”Wineke said “almost everybody I know who was for Hillary” is solidly behind Obama now. As for Bartoshevich, he said, “my suspicion is she doesn’t know what she’s getting into” because “the delegates to this convention will be very upset.”Asked if publicly supporting the other party’s presidential nominee could affect a delegate’s convention status, Wineke said, “I never thought I’d ever get a question like this.”After some preliminary checking, Wineke said he assumed Bartoshevich would remain a delegate.But Friday night, after a story about Bartoshevich appeared on the Journal Sentinel’s Web site, he had apparently reconsidered. At the state Democratic Party convention, party members, including Clinton supporters, unanimously passed a resolution asking the national party not to seat Bartoshevich at the Denver convention. Wineke spoke in favor of the resolution.
Another pledged Clinton delegate, Paula Dorsey of Milwaukee, offered the resolution.
Dorsey said trying to expel her fellow Democrat from the party’s convention “hurts my soul and it hurts my heart,” but it is the party’s presumptive nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), whom convention delegates must support.
An unusual decision The McCain campaign said that, nationally, it was not aware at this point of any other delegates to the Democratic convention (it may know of an alternate, it said) who have come out for the Republican candidate.
In an interview, Bartoshevich expressed lingering unhappiness over the Democratic nominating process, said Clinton was treated unfairly by the party and said she has deep reservations about Obama’s lack of experience and his judgment.
“I’m kind of disenfranchised,” she said.
She said she planned to vote for Clinton at the convention, but in an Obama-McCain matchup in November, “I will not be voting for Obama. I will cast my vote for John McCain.
“I just feel you need to have somebody who has experience with foreign matters.”She said a series of controversial Obama associations, including but not limited to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Chicago developer Tony Rezko, reflected poorly on his judgment. And she echoed the complaints of many of Clinton’s most ardent supporters that Clinton was treated unfairly in the nominating process and by the party.
“No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that’s by Susan B. Anthony,” said Bartoshevich, referring to the suffragist.
Bartoshevich called herself a “devoted Democrat” who had never voted for a Republican for president.“I’m on a lot of the (pro-Clinton) blogs, and so many people, male and female, feel the same way as I do,” said Bartoshevich, who was listed as a Racine County co-chair for the Clinton campaign and who traveled outside Wisconsin to volunteer for Clinton. “The Democrats jumped on this wagon of Barack Obama, and nobody really knows him.”
Hoping to tap into discontent among Clinton supporters, the McCain campaign is reaching out to them in a variety of ways, including a telephone “town hall” meeting today targeted to non-Republican voters.
McCain aide alerted press
Encouraged by her sister, who has served in Iraq, Bartoshevich signed up as a supporter with “Citizens for McCain,” an arm of the campaign targeting Democrats and independents. She said she got a call from the McCain campaign, which then provided her name to a reporter.
Polls suggest that Democrats are largely rallying around Obama after a divisive nominating fight, a phenomenon that has occurred in past intra-party fights, scholars say. But it remains to be seen whether Obama is hurt in the fall by any softness among Clinton’s core constituencies, especially white women and older and lower-income whites.
Kamarck, who supported Clinton in the primaries, said it was too soon to tell whether discontent among Clinton supporters becomes a significant factor or “whether it’s just magnified because we have the Internet”.
Clinton has not formally released her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given the modern history of the party, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But that would depend on whether Clinton allows her name to be put forward for the nomination. Clinton hasn’t made that clear, but she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain.
Byron Shafer, a University of Wisconsin-Madison scholar who is an expert on conventions, said it’s the fact that Bartoshevich is a convention delegate, subject to the partisan tendencies and pressures common to party activists, that makes her public support for McCain so unusual.
The competitive partisan dynamic is usually strong enough that even the people not willing to line up at the convention on record for the nominee are still unlikely to be willing to line up publicly for the other party’s nominee,” Shafer said. “It’s a pretty far-out move.”
–Steven Walters of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report from Stevens Point























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Way to stand up for your convictions Debra.
Here’s a quick email I just sent the DNC.
“Due to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin’s decision to disenfranchise a delegate for not allowing the DNC to “Stack the Deck” in the upcoming primary for Obama, I am changing my life-long party affiliation from Democrat to Independent. I am a 41 year old gay male. I have always been politically split depending on the issues, but the DNC has finally ticked me off beyond return. The Democratic Party needs to think about what the hell they are doing. You lost another one. So long DNC.”
I put this comment on the article just above but it needs to be spread far and wide.
Here’s what I believe needs to happen at the Dem Convention — unless snObama manipulates it to be a massive coronation for his ego.
On the first roll call all the delegates pledged to Clinton vote for Clinton and then WALK OUT OF THE CONVENTION.
Walk out and do not return — just leave.
snObama does not want anyone who isn’t worshiping him — so let them run the rest of the convention without Clinton’s delegates.
The DNC has kicked the Clintons OUT of the party — fine — let Howie and pooposie try to run a convention without Clinton’s delegates.
Now there’s a radical idea. I think you could get a percentage to agree.
A lot of Hillary supporters will back Obama, though. They are into party identification.
It’s a strange year. I have been voting for over 30 years. Yet I’m not worried about walking away. This isn’t the party, though, that I backed for my lifetime. This is a different party. This is a disdainful and rude party. I don’t even like this party.
So I can change.
Some people are believers in the label, however. The label is nothing if the product they are selling is rude and dismissive and against people.
But I do think you could count on a chunk of her supporters walking out.
Unity®.
Unity®©™.
Patent Pending.
fly united 08
http://www.popasmoke.com/px/patches/flyunited.jpg
The BOlsheviks get scarier and scarier all the time.
Bartoshevich says:
“I’m kind of disenfranchised.”
Bartoshevich quotes suffragist Susan B. Anthony:
“No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”
And:
Bartoshevich called herself a “devoted Democrat” who had never voted for a Republican for president.
“I’m on a lot of the (pro-Clinton) blogs, and so many people, male and female, feel the same way as I do,” said Bartoshevich, who was listed as a Racine County co-chair for the Clinton campaign and who traveled outside Wisconsin to volunteer for Clinton. “The Democrats jumped on this wagon of Barack Obama, and nobody really knows him.”
___________________
To Bartoshevich:
THANK YOU for speaking out! Thank you for speaking for me and millions of others! Thank you for making a stand.
……
I think she should call for a press conference and explain how she feels to even more people. Please speak out some more!
PUMA!
Ditto! She is a very brave woman, because the Dem party is now being controlled by the Chicago thugs, the mob, and black separatists, all of whom will do anything to win. If they think they can SEIZE the November election the way they seized the nomination, they are painfully stupid! We are NOT going to allow it to happen, and we all need to vote McCain in November to teach them all a lesson [unless Hillary delegates take back the convention from the Dean thugs!]. They are still in denial about this, and they believe that, like the republicans did with Florida in 2000, they can manipulate ALL the states voters to win this, but they still underestimate us!!! Stupid, stupid, stupid!!! DO NOT stay home, DO NOT write in your vote, because in many states it won’t count! WE MUST SHOW UP, and we MUST vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee at that time. That is the only way to stop these thugs. It’s time to take this country back and make history in the process!
The Daily Kos page says that the “false meme of Hilary Clinton being mistreated” needs to be eradicated.
The diary writer wants to eradicate the idea that Hilary Clinton was treated badly by the Democratic party. Not quite the same thing as believing that “people like Debra and we Hillary supporters should be eradicated” as you state.
In fact it is not at all the same thing. And this isn’t the first time No Quarter has decided to tweak the evidence for us. If the case against Obama is so good why is No Quarter constantly making crap up?
Wow, I can’t read the print that small…but the term eradicate is such an interesting one to use. It didn’t take you long to slither overhere. And no, you can’t have my vote or those litte old ladies I represent who got steamrolled by rude Obama supporters.
It’s fine with anyone if you don’t support Obama. Your vote is certainly your vote.
But it seems disingenuous to base your opposition to a candidate based on falsities such as this thread’s take on the use of “eradicate”.
Stop baiting and switching jacka$$es. YOU used the word eradicate. Don’t go trying to tell us what you “really” meant.
For the record. Trying to suggest that we should “eradicate” the “false meme of Hilary Clinton being mistreated” is enough.
You guys suck so bad it’s not even funny anymore.
I used the word eradicate?
Where?
I was referring to larry’s use of the term.
But . . . . you knew that.
In Chicago style, to eradicate the “false meme”, you have to eradicate the witnesses to the “false meme”.
So KOS says she should be eradicated? I wonder how many death threats she’ll get. I’m a Washington state delegate for Hillary and I see no choice anymore BUT to vote against Obama. We as free citizens can not let this stand. They WANT TO ERADICATE US!!! They have warned us, this is what they have in store for all who dare to speak up. Mein Kampf, ringin’ any bells?
Jake Tapper brings us:
“And — recalling the Japanese soldier “holdouts” found in the islands of the Philippines years after World War II ended — a Million Woman March on Denver for the Democratic Convention in August on behalf of Clinton is being planned.
“A suggested keynote speaker: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Debra Bartoshevich, a Clinton delegate to the Democratic National Convention, says she will vote for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in November.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
Honestly, you guys need to get outside more. It’s just too stiffling in this place.
In no way does that Kos diary say that supporters of Hillary should be eradicated. No way, no how.
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with any particular point, DISTORTION OF THE FACTS only turns people off from listening to you.
Try turning the volumn down to 11…
I guess that’s why we stopped listening to Obama, his distortion of the facts.
BTW Kos has taken down comments I’ve made that were mildly critical of Obama on particular issues.
The bloggers on Kos are absolutely lethal in their intolerance and venom, and Kos allow those comments in, but takes down anything that questions Obama.
Hardly what I would call a progressive blog.
Yeah, but the place is still better than the Onion.
The Obama gang wants to create a “Logan’s Run” party. Kill off all the Democrats over 30, and replace them with younger ones who don’t know what a real Democrat was really like.
What is a real democrat to you? You people used racist tactics all through the campaign. The young people are much more tolerant than you. Thank god your days are over.
Why should a delegate to the democratic national convention be seated if he/she supports the candidate of the republican national convention?
Makes perfect sense to me.
If she wants to go to Denver and vote for Clinton, absolutely no problem with that vote.
Leave it to Brain Bugs to use the term ‘eradicated’.
I applaud this persons guts. Hey BO are you listening? Hey SD’s are you aware that the sand in BO’s hand is same as the stuff used on Fitzgerald?
Do you think Bo personally called this person and ask what was to be done? NO.
You must resign for good of your country never mind the party.
Political prosecutions are not to be started with in how many months of running for office? Is the same true with criminal indictments?
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Here is San Francisco, we have a ‘powerhouse’ mega-watt radio station KGO (It bounces off the ocean, can be heard from Canada to Mexico at night) and in the last couple of weeks there’s been a caller referring to himself as ‘A Hillary Delegate’.
He’s not said he’s voting McCain…only that he’s taking his Clinton-Vote to the Convention.
I’m actually surprised that the Obama Team haven’t done more to ‘court’ the Hillary supporter’s. They act as if they don’t need any Hillary people….almost like–they believe where they’re going…they don’t need nor want the ‘past’. I find this truly bizarre!
“False meme” needs to be “eradicated”. The context isn’t that hard to understand if you remember basic subject-predicate agreement. To go from that to a desire to eradicate people is paranoid to an insane degree. She has stated publicly that she is going to vote for the Republican, why in the world would the Democratic party allow her to be a delegate at their nominating convention?
I agree that they should remove her. She is honest and honesty obviously has no place in the new false-Democratic party.
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What are you doing?
koolaid overdose
Hillary Delegate anti Obama logic: I wanted vanilla ice cream but all they had was chocolate ice cream, so I chose deep fried cheese.