Gallup: It’s a Dead Heat (and we speculate about why)
By SusanUnPC on June 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM in Barack Obama, Bolshevikization, DNC, Delegates, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Disenfranchisement, John McCain, Qualifications
Via Jeralyn at TalkLeft:
Barack Obama and John McCain are in a statistical dead heat according to the Daily Gallup tracking poll. Why? Seems to me to be the high number of undecideds combined with those who won’t vote for either.
As Karl Rove has been mentioning frequently on Fox News, during the same general pre-convention time period, Michael Dukakis enjoyed a 12-14% advantage over George W. Bush.
The key appears to be the large number of undecided voters or those who do not wish to vote for either candidate. Why is this so, and how can we take advantage of this disturbing polling that shows that the DNC has selected a weak candidate?
From Gallup: “[T]he structure of the race looks slightly different than at any other time this year as a result of the relatively high percentage of voters — 15% — not favoring either major-party candidate. This includes 7% of voters who say they are undecided and 8% who say they will not vote for either candidate. …”
May I assert that one reason for this large number of undecided voters is that Barack Obama has so forcibly seized control of the Democratic party, its DNC apparatus, and the convention? (There is also, of course, his and his campaign’s repugnant treatment of Hillary Clinton, and his failure to make any outreach to her supporters.)
Today, I looked up the history of the 1988 presidential race between Michael Dukakis and George W. Bush. This LEAPED OFF THE PAGE at me — the DELEGATES’ VOTES at the national convention:
1988 Democratic National Convention[8]
Michael Dukakis – 2,877 (70.09%)
Jesse Jackson – 1,219 (29.70%)
Richard H. Stallings – 3 (0.07%)
Joe Biden – 2 (0.05%)
Dick Gephardt – 2 (0.05%)
Lloyd Bentsen – 1 (0.02%)
Gary Hart – 1 (0.02%)
We fear — and the rumors are flying all over the Internet — that Howard Dean is seeking to eliminate a floor vote and to remove Hillary Clinton’s name from the ballot at the National Convention.
Whenever people are not allowed their VOTING RIGHTS under the rules of the Democratic national party, there will be bitter divisiveness.
As we see from the history of the Dukakis nomination, delegates for other candidates were permitted to vote freely.
This is an AHISTORICAL FIRST! It is fundamentally undemocratic. It goes against all that our nation stands for.
This is why — to put it very simply — we must find a way to wrest control of the Democratic party from the power grab by Barack Obama.
Obama’s moves — and the acquiesence of hood-ornament DNC Chair Howard Dean and Speaker Nancy Pelosi — must be FOUGHT.
By the way, writing letters to your superdelegates may be unproductive. Barack Obama has promised them huge sums of money (now, whether or not he can deliver that money is questionable).
Our best venue is to get this story into the media — at every opportunity. Be brave, don your best outfits, and speak out. Appear on television, call in to radio shows, call up your local newpapers and tell them that you’re part of a national movement to keep Hillary Clinton on the ballot at the convention in August, and write letters to the editor.
Our other best bet is to refuse to give the DNC any money, and to make it clear to the DNC that NO more donations will be forthcoming as long as this power-grab is allowed to continue.
I am posting this in a separate post, but take note of this: One of the primary PUMA spokespersons is Will Bower, a highly articulate representative for our views. He will be on MSNBC on Monday morning at 11:30 a.m. ET, and will be interviewed by one of Keith Olbermann’s handmaidens. But Bower is capable of getting his message out clearly despite her sure-to-be-biased line of questioning.
We can also work for the primary opponents of Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, and other Obamabot politicians.
I.e., we can cause a big stink and make ourselves heard.
Be creative. Think of ways to get your voices heard by as many people as possible.
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Here is the image at the Gallup site, somewhat crunched to fit our writing area width — simply click on the image to view it at its full size or go to Gallup’s page:
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I think it would be well-advised for all those who are pissed with the DNP Leadership to do whatever to make sure these people are not re-elected.
THE PARTY WAS WRONG!
And the only thing that will make them understand this is the will of the voters!
It’s all we have!
My guess is pollsters will be gentle
with Obama until the coast is clear after
the convention.
After that, he’s cooked.
And your reasoning behind this position would be?
You’re really that pissed off? You’re really serious about taking action?
Then I would suggest that you use that anger as your own personal catalyst to effect change, rather than preaching to fellow undisciplined choir members, as appears to be the trend here. Channel that anger, and learn how to go about it in a democracy.
To be sure, our political process most always recognizes and acknowledge strength in numbers — but only if those numbers are sufficient to become a significant voting bloc.
Rule No. 1 in party politics: If you want effect change, then organize for it. On their own, mere numbers won’t count for squat without some semblance of order and discipline amongst them.
Rule No. 2: “The voters,” per se, have no direct say in who runs the Democratic Party. Rather, that responsibility rests with the members of the Democratic Party — not registered Democratic voters, but bona fide, card-carrying members of the party.
Therefore, you and like-minded local friends need to seek out your local caucus or state party HQ, in order to inquire about, in this order:
(a) becoming card-carrying Democratic Party members; and
(b) The rules and procedures for becoming delegates to your respective state’s Democratic convention.
Which leads us to Rule No. 3: If you don’t know your respective state party’s rules and procedures, then by all means, ask to speak to someone who actually does. Be sure to inquire personally — and if your inquiry is on behalf of a group, then get it in writing, or you’ll risk offering up a mistaken personal assumption that’s based on hearsay.
(NOTE: These rules and procedures can vary significantly from state to state. Further, it isn’t uncommon for some of the party’s local precinct officials to take some questionable liberty in their interpretation of party rules. I know, you’re all shocked, shocked to find there’s gambling going on at Rick’s Cafe in Casablanca … anyway, always inquire personally, and try to get it in writing.)
Then, once you’ve become a state convention delegate (usually, you’re either elected by your local precinct’s party members in caucus, or you are chosen by your district chair), join up with other like-minded delegates, and challenge your incumbent state chair and two national committeepersons should they stand for re-election or reconfirmation.
Those three persons are your state’s permanent members on the Democratic National Committee, which governs the national party and selects the national party chair (currently Howard Dean) — and they each serve at the pleasure of their respective state’s party members.
And finally — before you blow me off, be advised that for 18 months I was the acting executive director of our state Democratic Party, so I do know what I’m talking about.
Aloha, and good luck. Go for it.
Don’t be so smug pal. All of this is happening right now. While the party ‘elders’ were selling out party progressives in my county ran for and one on this platform:
* End the occupation of Iraq
* Provide affordable health care for all Californians
* Address the climate crisis
* Defend a woman’s right to choose
* Support campaign finance reform
* Ensure a living wage and the right to organize
* Make sure every vote is counted
Stuffed shirts like you have it wrong it’s Obama and his followers who are on the hot seat. He does not whip McSame and provide huge coattails his political career is over.
And so is Howard’s for that matter.
And guess what? Right now when we should be seeing good bump for Obama after the positive publicity of his ’securing the nomination….’
Well….
http://hominidviews.com/?p=1609
no real change since Sister Beelzebub left the race.
So thanks for the advice but progressives are already on the move and if, as is likely, Obama stumbles and falls?
We’ll be right there to step on his neck.
Thanks for the info, Donald.
Never hurts to be reminded how insigificant one is in relation to the Democratic Party.
However, you leave out the fact that there are thousands of loyal Democrats in states that are not “carded”, who have for years donated time and money to the party and actually had a say, if only in a remote fashion.
Their/our power and influence was in the form of cash and manpower. This year is the first time I have known such donors to be so totally ignored, because they supported a particular candidate.
As is so often mentioned, in cases like Ted Kennedy’s, voters have at least been given the illusion that their choices, regardless of who they supported, mattered right up to the final bell.
Not so this yea,r we HRC supporters have been told repeatedly, and for months, how unneeded and useless we are.
Except for the money aspect! Though we have been scorned by the DNC, they have never stopped asking for money and accepting it, until we started cutting them off.
I have donated for years, but stopped in Nov.’07, when I finally realized how the primary had been front-loaded, and the weight that was given to caucuses.
Admittedly I had been ignorant and naive regarding such in the past, trusting the Democratic Party to be democratic.
I stopped donating, as did many others, and will never give another dime until the party is reformed to be democratic. Probably never going to happen, so I save a few hundred a year.
Continued to donate to HRC, and will if things change. Also to down-ticket folks who oppose the DNC.
I say all of this to point out that, in addition to all you mentioned, we can still make our presence known by withholding money and our votes.
They already feel the sting, hence the “selling” of the party to Axelrod/Obama because of money shortage. I can only hope the “fire-sale” is the first stage of collapse, from the top down!
His smugness set aside. I believe that it is important to work from the inside as well as the out. There are many State party conventions happening now, and it is not hard to get yourself elected to a position. If you haven’t torn up your Democratic membership, check into running for a position.
Just because you are an elected Democrat doesn’t mean you have to vote for the Anti-Democrat, Obama.
1st Again…This is great news filled with great ideas…PUMA
2nd
It does NOT look like you’re 1st or 2nd. But I guess hoping is always good, until reality sets in.
ok I’m sick of seeing that damn dixie flag (even though it’s for an ad ABOUT negative ADS)
It’s messing up my reading ability!
Eye assault!
aiiiight?
it’s not a Dixie flag…it’s a Nazi flag.
true enough but I can’t help put the two together
it’s a hater flag
You can rip it with this firefox add-on http://tinyurl.com/5q4htn
I don´t like the flag either
thank you
I uploaded the add on but now it’s not letting me add no quarter. I guess I’ve not figured it all out yet but thanks again for the add on. I love firefox themes. My daughter’s fav is pimpzilla. Mine depends on my mood.
How is Dean able to do this to her? Great article, Susan….thanks.
He’s become a power unto himself, oblivious to the real world.
You have to ask yourself why, when he is in clear defiance of the law, and the Constitution, he does not question his actions.
The way I was raised, when it gets too weird, you have to figure something is wrong.
They don’t, both Republican and Democrat.
Dave, very well described. And the reason the majority of the party continues to reject unacceptable candidates in spite of all the hooting and yelling of the fringe. We have no problem saying NO at the polls.
Frankly, I am shocked at the small percentage spike Obama received. I expected double digits as an automatic course of things. Very poor and an omen to all of them. The message: We don’t think your candidate is as hot as you pretend he is.
Dukakis, only taller.
Where is the reaction to Dean/Obama’s authoritarian actions within the Party? They can’t ALL be lemmings. Where are Hillary’s people, and why didn’t Ickes & Co. follow up on the fair reflection violation at the RBC meeting? It’s absurd that anyone can be talking about “unity” when the RBC violated the Democratic Party Charter. What do they represent, in the name of the Democratic Party, if they do not follow their own fundamental principles? Where it the outrage (except from the PUMAS)?
You can’t buck a “trend” — Obama’s being sold as a brand. The people in the business know this. Only we, people who refuse to give in, can make the news. The professionals can’t.
There are two kinds of Democrats on this site. Real, hardcore, generational, dems who put country before party on national ticket and vote dem down the line for state and local. Then there is the new
democrats I call them Democrat In Name Only. DINOs have no idea what the real roots of the dem party are.
We are multi-generational, multi-education level, multi-cultural, and we know what it is to have to fight for something, anything in this world. We will fight for our party…if that means a resounding defeat of Obama…then so be it
DINOs know nothing of loyalty, courage, strenth, resilience, all the things we saw in our Hillary, and we also see in McCain.
DINOs are notoriously easily distracted…hence the bright shiny sun in their logo…ooohhh its pretty….and they are off chasing a neon rainbow…
Bravo. Well said.
There are many kinds of Democrats but NONE of them any longer represent ME or my MOM or the other Dems in my extended family (last I heard) and NONE of my Hillary Dem friends
none, zero, zip, zilch, nada
Ooops I posted this in the wrong place first time.
Bluedawg, very well described. And the reason the majority of the party continues to reject unacceptable candidates in spite of all the hooting and yelling of the fringe. We have no problem saying NO at the polls.
Frankly, I am shocked at the small percentage spike Obama received. I expected double digits as an automatic course of things. Very poor and an omen to all of them. The message: We don’t think your candidate is as hot as you pretend he is.
Dukakis, only taller.
t to post this.
Most Democrats support Obama — around 80-82% — and this is only about a week after Clinton endorsed him.
BTW, the Rasmussen poll has Obama +7, the Wall St. Journal poll had him +6.
Since every poll has some sampling error, you have to look at a variety of them to capture the state of the race.
Obama should have gotten one of his two ‘dead cat bounces’ (the other is the convention). All candidates get them, even Dukakis and Mondale. His was a minor 6 point bounce that has ALREADY evaporated. The Republicans have so much to work with they will unveil their framing of Obama slowly…but it will most likely look something like this:
inexperienced (already underway) > lack of accomplishment (already underway) > naive > dangerously naive > liberal > elitist > outside of the mainstream views of most Americans > and then some time after Labor Day….the Patriot Games will begin.
You have got to be kidding! 80 to 82% dems support Obama? More skewed polls, or you got the numbers confused with HRC!
Ummm … question: How does one “put country before party” by voting “dem down the line on state and local”?
And I’m curious how you can be so democratically minded while at the same time making blanket generalizations of people because of who they support. By implication, if not my strict statement, your argument seems to be that only Hillary supporters are “real Dems” and the rest are just DINOs.
Of course, the GOP also has the same thing for the Republicans who don’t toe the GOP party line. They call them RINOs and McCain is usually one of the first ones they identify.
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He can take it over all he wants. He can’t take our votes with him though.
This is a smear against Soros.
It appears to be a verbatim transcript of a ‘60-Minutes’ interview that took place in 1998. Not my definition of a smear. Now saying that someone wished for the assassination of a Presidential candidate because they mentioned the name of Robert Kennedy…now THAT’S a smear.
Soros made all his money off of the confiscated property of murdered Jews.
Soros is the one taking over the party.
These are not smears. He and a handful of other plutocrats have co-opted the DNC and organizations like MoveOn.
Soros is the one calling the shots on Obama and crew right now.
Do you actually believe that Obama’s funding comes from less than $100 donations?
Great post, Susan. Thanks.
I’m going to ask a really obvious question here, but isn’t this UNCONSTITUTIONAL?
Undemocratic, absolutely, but wasn’t out constitution designed to keep this kind of monarchical assent from happening?
Yes, I’d like to know the answer to this as well…is it?
Medusa after what these pigs did with Florida and Michigan, from blocking their re-votes to stealing delegates that weren’t even earned (some from the other candidate besides), they are now drunk with power. Unchecked power results in more corruption. They are on a high with it now.
“Those whom the gods would destroy must first be made drunk with power.”
The DNC can do anything it wants,including backroom deals, its a private organization, not a branch of the gov’t. By law(go see Savagepolitics on this) the Feds can’t say or do anything about what the DNC does.
If you don’t like it, build another party and tear this one down. They’ve made clear they don’t give a f**k about what you people value. You owe them nothing.
If enough ex-Democrats get together they can destroy the Democratic party. Its already on its last legs and if you cause them to lose even 5-10% of their voters the party goes bye bye.
Loyalty is for family and good friends not a bunch of crooked politicos huddled in a back room figuring out ways to screw you.
Mostly true, though fraud and breach of contract laws do still apply.
Yep, what RWC said.
Well, there is a DNC challenge in FL where it is argued that the DNC is a state actor for 14th/5th Amendment purposes since they assume such a role in voting.
So, FL is arguing that the DNC’s attempt to force them into a caucus violates due process since it disenfranchises the poor and people of color.
We need a constutional amendment to wipe out the electoral college. The framers thought the people were not capable enough of electing a candidate. I think we can handle it.
We should just have popular vote for all primaries- just like voting for President. No more caucuses and organizations to decide who should be our President based on the members’ needs to stay in power.
JC over at Savage Politics says that nothing in the constitution protects an outcome which is due to intraparty fighting in a private organization such as the DNC??? Constitution does protect laws related to state and federal elections.
Thats right only the general election falls into this catagory. The primaries are run by the individual parties. They just need us for the votes ( well not in this election)so that can hand out the delegates.
The DNC’s heavy-handed manipulation is astounding.
Does Dean really think by doing this final act of Party treason that this will convince the base to vote for Obama? Is he really this stupid?
He doesn’t realize that this will only make it worse?
Or is Obama going to have McCain’s divorce papers unsealed?
There has to be some kind of diabolical plan in place for them to think they can get away with this.
He could be this stupid. He’s running around saying, “I hadn’t realized women were upset.” Give me a break. We were saying NO, e-mailing, calling for MONTHS!
The ONLY way that the democrat party can be revived from the dead — is to get the attention of this dead thing by voting for something else.
Howie Dean has never ever responded the the women — he has ignored women. Perhaps because he is from one of the male chauvinist pig professions there is?
But there isn’t much that Howie Dean can do — he has made his choice — and he wasn’t ever listening — again so typical of many male doctors. (There are the fantastic MDs who have the ability to listen — but these rarer than a white buffalo.)
Now we have to make a choice — and that choice involves burying the DNC and democrat party — we need to hold a burial service — complete with casket, wake and then a service — turn the symbolic body into ash and spread the ash in an appropriate location.
Perhaps the Clinton delegates who walk out after voting for Clinton should then go to the funeral for the democratic party??
This would be a very peaceful way to protest — sort of like turning your back on the evil — shunning the evil.
And I truly believe that the DNC democrat party is evil and they have chosen as their mascot — the most evil of evil Obama — who is NOT a democrat — he is really he very own party — all by himself. He worships himself by speaking of himself in the third person.
Hillary delegates — walk out and then hold a funeral service!!!
Hillary delegates should WEAR BLACK or wear black arm bans — dress for a funeral!!
Nah*…..I think this needs to be kicked up a knotch.
I think women may be reaping the rewards of being a bit too tight on the pursestrings in terms of donations.
We need to change that. We do have the money, or a lot of us do.
So loosen up. Consider donations a part of expenses.
Well, it’s one or the other
A. stupidity
B. a diabolical plan
well, maybe it’s C: all of the above.
Has anyone here bothered to watch what is happening in Congress and the House. Obama has control there too. he is trying to push Bill 5.2433 The Globel poverty Act of 07 which will be giving billions of dollars to other Nations to curb poverty. I think we needthat money at home. We already gve more than any other Counties in the World. I’ll bet most of the money will be headed into Kenya. In Kenya the Lu tribe is waiting for Obama to save them. thats what one of his family members said in a interview. We have alot to worry about in this election. Just the power of this man to control 17 million people, just amazes me. I can not believe that this many people are blindly following this man without a cue to his judgement or lack whereof or his forgetfulness and many other character defects (ex drug abuser). How can we be sure that he will not start smoking crack again when he is under pressure. thats what he did before.
You would think that by John Kerry’s reasoning as to how Obama was qualified to save the world and solve African problems, “after all he is a black man”!, that Obama would have already done so.
However, I think all of the folks involved in the Kenyan civil war and murders are black, so that sort of makes Kerry’s logic a bit moot, does it not.
Also, I guess that the fact that just as in the Democratic party, the minority is trying to override the majority, makes the majority a bit touchy.
IE the minority Luos, Obama’s family, are trying to anihilate the Kikuyus, the majority.
Last I heard the problem was compounded by the fact that all of the Kikuyus were for Hillary Clinton.
Oh, yeah, see what he’s already done for KENYA, his cousin Odinga burning women and children in church and displacing 100’s of thousands so Odinga and Islamic law could be foisted on the majority against their will!
KERRY needs to go down for this. Go, Ed OReilly!
I didn’t think Obama wants to go there. McCain is part of the Republican party…you know the party that is currently in charge of the government apparatus. Obama does not want to go there…He need more then a gun for that knife fight, methinks.
the phrase “desperate men do desperate things” comes to mind about dean and the rest of the gang who can’ shoot straight.
I think that if there is no roll call vote for Hillary, the DNC will have a major riot on its hands at the convention…oh, I almost forgot…if there’s no roll call vote, why even have a convention? Let’s just make it a prime time televised event so we can witness the coronation of our new Dictator Barak Hussein Obama brought to you on CNN and MSN.
Why are we are so tolerant of letting Dean remain chair? He has been one dirty trick after another.
How do we get rid of him?
Thank GOD Dean never became President, folks.
Yep — ain’t that the truth.
He’s a doctor who has the inability to listen.
Typical male doctor.
With apologies to male doctors who have learned to LISTEN to what their patients are saying!
If these rumors are true, we shouldn’t call it a convention. How about “Putsch?” And, of course, hold it in a Beer Hall. “Pepsi Center Putsch” just doesn’t have the same panache.
“Pepsi Center Putsch”
PERFECT! Authentically American and does not threaten the timid (Godwin’s Law phobes).
Party conventions are pretty much nothing but prime time electioneering and have been for some time now. Neither party wants any hint of controversy, floor fighting or even suspense.
It’s all for show and to make their candidate look “presidential.” Oh yeah, and to get some face time for their young turks.
You nailed it.
Someone at Savage sent Dean an e-mail asking about the 1st roll call vote and he answered that there has always been an opportunity for anyone whose name is in nomination to be included on the 1st ballot. He did not say that anyone would be left to nominate and second Hillary after they restructure the delegates. They are already replacing delegates.
Also it will do no good to try to unseat Dean now. He already has an overseer and after they move the DNC to Chicago, neither he nor any of the present Dem. leadership will have any clout left. Under the bus with ya.
Country before Party.
Donate $1 to http://www.johnmccain.com
We need a BIG story on NEW CONTRIBUTORS
Good idea….a small donation can bump up the contributer numbers.
Donate $5.44 or $1.44. It signifies that it is coming from Hillary supporters.
ewww,,,,,will do. That’s even cuter.
Ill do that. Donate to McCain. Why isn’t everyone donating to him You are eiher going against Obama are not. Make up our mind. If you are not voting Obama, support mcCain. He is not Bush, He’s more to the center (not right wing)he wants to give us all 2500. yr singles; 5,000. yr for married couple for health care. to reduce costs. He has worked across the aisle in the Senate for years. He wants to CUT PORK BARREL spending (60 billion a year)which can help pay off the national debt or placed into the Social security fund. Regardless of what others say he does not like war (has a son in Iraq)wants America to walk away from Iraq with our head high instead of in defeat. what is wrong with that? So he’s older, he did alot for this country already when he was beaten and tortured for 5 years in Vietman. He should have a chance at the office because he put his life on the line for US (Americans). Vote and help support John McCain.
To: Denise…RE:donations to McCain on July 4th hcsfjm(Hillary Clinton supporters for John McCain) are asking everyone to send a donation to McCain of $5.44…it is an amount most people can afford and hopefully it will make a difference..go to hcsfjm,com to find out more info….if we all do this, it will be noticed. thanks Ginny in MO
Omigosh! I have never voted Republican in my entire voting life!
Please don’t begrudge me the right to arrive at the right voting decision for myself.
You are talking about my core identity here! LOL*
Please…..be patient!
The DNC is out of money. They are not getting any at all the only person who still has any money is BHO. It is all about the money.
Poor Howard! Why won’t BO give the DNC some of his bucks?
That’s how Obama took control of DNC funding. They were woefully behind on donations, because of Clinton. So he gave them his donators list in exchange for control. He made a public ‘announcement” calling the party “MY party” and then proceded to tell his lobbyist lies about how MY PARTY won’t take money from lobbyists—when we know he does and they do via loophole. I smell a swiftboat on this one.
So for now, Obama owns everybody. Money can’t be doled where he doesn’t want it to go. Congress people up for re-election must toe the Obama line. Superdelegates must toe the line. Democracy is nothing now. Il Duce owns the party. For now. In defeat, they will “get it”. Same as last time.
The fun part to watch is how Dean forgot something: His own power is gone too. Howard Dean is an official hood ornament now. The other fun part is they have seized Hillary’s contributor list as well. Good luck with that, fellas.
Exactly, I haven’t seen anything but Dean being his puppet for months now.
i think obama inc will go into foreclosure by the end of the year. you know the saying about pride goeth before the fall!
I think Bo would be glad to fork over some of his sin money to that “worthy cause”.
For one thing, to do so would be illegal..
Has anybody read the story on CNN that there is a lack of money for the convention. So it might get canceled after all.
yep….Obama’s people send him all the money. They are not real Democrats. These are people who took over the Democratic Party logo only.
Amazing, huh?
It will only get cancelled because that was the plan all along…they will say no money, and they will move a smaller, more “budget friendly” so-called convention to Chicago, where the party headquarters will be. Everything will be tightly controlled and under the DaliBama’s pri…I mean under his thumb.
How very, very convenient!
You could be right. I’ve heard rumors to that effect.
Denver won’t care. They are furious already.
You forget that 1968 was in Chicago was it not? As in Recreate68. This would be great. In 68 these A holes gave us Nixon. That’s how offended the electorate was by these yahoos and their behaviors.
Of course the convention will not be cancelled, or moved. Both parties are having trouble raising the $70 to $80 million needed to run a convention – which is nuts. The worst part is almost all the money comes from corporations, and they give it to get access to the politicians. It is the last major loophole than needs to be closed in finance reform. Both McCain and Obama are less than enthusiastic about actively seeking $1,000,000 plus donations from corporations given their stances on campaign finance. Hence, the dollars are not flowing in.
It’ll be in Mayor Daley’s office. And the kickoff speech will be, “OK youse guys, dis is how its aonnaa go.”
Trinity United has offered to hold it there, as long as any white folks attending are not “typical white folks”. They told Obama he better not bring his grandmama.
Rev. Moss said it would be totally bi-partisan, as long as bi-partisan meant support for each half of Obama. He said they would keep Jerimiah holed up in his new mansion, and out of sight.
Also said they did not want any money for allowing it to be held there, but would like to talk about reparations somewhere down-the-line, and that little matter of the 5 states comprising the Republik of New Afrika (the RNA).
http://www.asetbooks.com/Us/Nationhood/RNA/RepublicOfNewAfrika.html
Moss promised everyone a good time, and that the house would rock, knocking those “roosting chickens right out of the rafters”. “America will get a chance to see them coming home!”
I can’t read the CNN website, because every time the site opens on my computer for some reason I become violently ill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pux76QF_CLA
The misogynist Frank Rich’s column today at the NYTimes is all about how the polls are wrong & Hillary’s supporters are not defecting to McCain!!?!? I couldn’t believe what I was reading. The NYT op-ed people must be completely freaking delusional. There are comments after the article. Maybe we should hop over there & inform them of the latest Gallup.
I couldn’t either, Annie. That snotty tone just leaked all over, didn’t it?
*shudder*
After Rich calls McCain sexist and then states that the primary was sexist, he says that BO will certainly win the female votes even if “some polls” indicate otherwise. Or as Rich puts it, BO has a small deficit in:
How gross is that? PIG!!!!
Pretty damned significant sliver.
NY Times went over the edge long ago. The only reason they endorse Obama is Karl Marx isn’t available.
What this manipulative press doesn’t realize is they are pissing off the electorate who do not accept Obama even more. They can print and say whatever they want. Election Day belongs to the voters. (More or less).
I do hope the republicans have watched the cheating that occurred in the primary, like for example, the mayor of Gary and his attempt to alter the results, which was cut short by other mayors calling Bullshit on him. Gratefully, there are no caucuses. Obama had a blast fiddling with those numbers, but the truth of the matter is, on election day, all the people get to vote. I would watch for more Florida fiddling, only this time by the Democrats. They have clearly shown that they have no respect whatsoever for Florida.
Annie the MSM does not want to admit that Obama can’t unite his party. That would leave the Messiah in a bad light. They will continue to deny the obvious trouble he is having with quite a few Clinton supporters. Obama should have a huge lead at this time. He is running way behind the generic democrat.
The DNC can kiss my Irish ass for money and I’m not even IRISH! Ask obamalamadingdong or all those “grassroots” contributers to his campaign! Anybody ever find out exactly WHERE his money came from? Hmmmmm? Come on Nov. I can’t WAIT to se ms.dong’s sour puss pinch to the point of breaking when her gansta wannabee has to make that concession speach. How many uuuhs, uums do you think there will be? Personnaly I think he’ll actually cry, maybe cause he realizes he has to go home and be alone with ms.dong after everybody leaves, but then I’d cry too if that were the case.
And remember this is before anybody has laid a glove on Obama.
He has a swooning press coverage for a year. The corporate media has treated him like the second coming of Lincoln white trashing his opponent 4/7. The media has declared any criticism of Obama as racist. He has been shielded and coddled by the media, reporters acting as his groupies.
Bush is at 25% approval, the public hates the GOP and with all those advantages Obama is statistically even with McCain.
The Right Wing Noise Machine has not gone after him yet. He has not had 1 in a million scrutiny Hillary has had.
I hope to God Hillary does not accept a VP job with him. It would be an insult for her to take a job with a man so unqualified for the job.
Let him go down to a crushing defeat in November. Do not give a dime to the DNC. Let them all crash and burn with their Messiah. It is the only way to take back the party from radical left.
He still has the press, except for Fox. I’m just amazed he’s actually going on a world tour. I said this earlier, but this guy is bored already with the campaign. LOL*
Unbelievable.
He thinks going on a world tour will make up for not having any foreign affairs experience.
No, it’s another opportunity to hold a rally.
He can’t really pull that off here in the States. The idiots who like that have alrady attended.
It’s about like taking a rock star on a European tour.
Really, it’s that nutty.
Obama’s Hope and Change European Tour?
Hillary was coronated after bill left office!
You mean to say no one layed a glove on Obama after Resko, Wright, Pfleger, secret Muslim, is he black enough, is he white enough, whitey, inexperienced, manchrian candidate, etc. etc. etc.?
Do you live in a cave?
He’s been pummeled since day one!
Hahaha. If you think Obama has been pummeled, you haven’t seen anything yet.
Stop whining. The media has been giving Obama a lovefest while ignoring all his lies.
If you’re feeling hurt by all the Obama criticisms on No Quarter, you need to grow thicker skin, or stop by DailyKos for a breath of Hillary-hate fresh air.
You’re the one living in a cave. Get lost, this is NOT an Obama site! This is OUR site!
mmmmmmmmmhhh
(sound of milk squirting from nose)
I can’t even dignify this with an answer. Seriously.
Is today day 1?
You wish, Rezko’s encoded his warning against the governor and senator from IL. RezkoWatch.com is your friend. A plethora of knowledge re: Rezko and Obama.
You really should come out from under that Obama bubble every once in a while. Sweetie.
The McCain camp only cares about 5 or 6 states. Obama is out there spending millions in an attempt to turn red states Blue. McCain will spend all his money in the states that really matter. At the end of the dat 270 is the magic number. He could get 50 million more votes but will make no difference. Although, once the RNC starts running it attack machine all hell will break loose and BHO won’t know what hit him.
Well joe, he will have his little web site to fight swiftboats on TV. lol.
By the time the swiftboats start up, Obama will be screaming all over TV and people will see exactly how “different a politician” he is. you can only offend so many associates and then people start saying, “Does this guy have ANY friends I would want to know?”.
As for turning red states blue, well unless they intend to commit genocide upon all the Republicans in those states, it won’t happen. Some of those states haven’t gone blue since the SIXTIES. They are rarely even close. Hopey Changey indeed.
In the meantime, McCain will focus on Ohio, Michigan, Florida, PA, West Virginia, and any states Obama has already offended, most of which are swing states. Watch out for the Bluest State, Mass. Deval Patrick is a dismal failure and they recognized his speeches in Obama. That’s why Obama took a smacking in that primary in spite of being practically blown by Kennedy and Kerry.
McCain will either take Florida’s Crist and sew it all up, or he might pick a woman as VP. Someone who will declare economic and health care plans beyound McCain’s earlier claims–to which McCain will defer. It won’t be universal health care but then neither is Obama’s No Plan, as I have mentioned before.
Obama might pick a woman too, he is just arrogant enough to think that would fix things. But the block of women he has offended mostly won’t care. They don’t want him to be president no matter who his VP choice is. If he picks a woman, he also runs the risk of offending voters who have a problem with both AAs AND women. We have seen clearly how that is not just a Republican party problem. Strickland has already made it clear that his state and he do not want to be standing anywhere near Obama. This was an omen. It’s a handwriting on the wall thing. For Obama to do well in important swing states, he needs THREE VPs. lol.
LOL, I was thinking the same thing. Like the corporate world he needs many VPs.
VP for women
VP for poor bitter white folk
VP for hispanics (those not in CA and NY)
VP for Ohio
VP for florida
VP for virginia
I don’t know how he can get VP for those angry about “God da*m america” and “whitey”
I do think though that west virginia is not in play, they are ready with pitchforks down there if he comes around.
And maccain will pick romney fro VP. Romney has money, can raise money, he is a mormon, that makes nevada safe and will help in colorado. his father was michigan governor and very popular and he himself is from massachusetts and has a lot of influence in NH.
Not to say the most important thing. He is well liked by conservatives and will tie up the republican base.
Yeah, Obama cares so much for the people in the red states he didn’t bother showing up to campaign in most of them towards the end of the primaries. He didn’t show them enough respect to even show up for a few hours. There’s one rooster that will come home to hatch.
Go Mike – I agree totally!
Susan,
check out this link. This should definitely be posted here if you can get permission:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
I don’t know who I will be more pleased to see squirm
either the DEMS deserve 4 more years of Repubs for running a weak BHO
OR
the Republicans get what THEY deserve for screwing Hillary and that would be BHO (no doubt a much worse choice they’ve realized)
if I could live on another planet it might be entertaining to watch
Funny, thats the exact thing I’ve been saying for months. When will these idiots wake up?!?
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
Comment by Gabriele Droz | 2008-06-15 17:24:39
Susan,
check out this link. This should definitely be posted here if you can get permission:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
A definite reading for all, more so for those who are just clinging to Obama (fence sitters). Facts don’t lie, spend a few hours reading it and all the links, as an American that SHOULD be your duty BEFORE voting Obama.
I read this article. It is an interesting summary of the current primary history and the perspective outlined, that we are watching a major Karl Rove strategy unfold, rings very true with the facts as we know them to date. If there is truth to this, then expect a major drying up of Obama’s funds and expect Romney on the McCain ticket (Romney was recently touted for VP by Rove on Fox). That would be an interesting ripple for health care and the states of MA, MI and CO. However, I don’t underestimate the Obama/Daley Chicago Combine—could be a very good dirty politics death struggle and it would be nice to see the final outcome to be Clinton Democrats.
It seems to be that we should be pushing to
get Howard Dean and the entire DNC regime OUT.
They have decimated this party by throwing our primary.
I still feel good about contacting Super Delegates. Several of whom I sent obama information – with a letter – have still been refusing him their endorsement. So now I send them thanks for their courage and integrity.
I also let Super Delegates within my voting state know that I will be actively campaigning AGAINST those down-ticket candidates who, AGAINST the Will of their voters, endorsed obama.
Do believe contact to Super Delegates is valuable – most of all in our home state – and/or when we provide them with actual information of which they may not be aware (like the recent “if they bring knives, we bring guns”; maybe a few choice comment ‘quotes’ from the candidate’s sterling online supporters.
In TENN 10 SDs have refused coronation, stating ‘CONCERN WITH TERRORIST TIES OR ASSOCIATES”. This shows that for more SDs having more information- is worthwhile. Don’t assume they know more than we do. Sure, some are bought off or holding out on promises, but THIS FACT REMAINS:
Any SD that is running for office (unless in a major metro city) has cause for concern with coat-tail damage once the Repub 527’s come out – and they will come out!! In this way, it’s a favor to let them know now things will be uphill if they hang their coat tails on this highly flammeable scarecrow.
I had a question to people who visit the just no deal sit often.
what is all this internet whisper hope to accomplish in the Nobama movement? do people really think that by retiring Hillary’s det will help before the convention? do you think that sending cards to dnc will do anything to change their mind? i was ask to donate to the PUMAPAC site, but can’t seen to belive that any donation will have any effect other than creat more noise on the blog sphere which the obama machine can do just as effective.
as a 527, why can’t they raise fund and buy ad in battle ground states to educate those who don’t frequent the web? many american(especailly those lower income working class and seniors who had livelyhood).
I can understand that during the primary season that many pro-Hillary organization had their hand tied because of their unity-loyalty to the democratic party, but should that gloves to be off now that so many of you are selled out by the same party?
I am a independent voter in Ca that don’t owe any loyalty to any party. my only loyalty is to this country that had giving me so much since i move here from china 20 some years ago.
the PUMAPAC don’t have to smear with un proven rummors like some types, but could just use proven words from obama, and obama camp. nothing can be more powerful that truth.
it’s only when dnc see the truely out cry of the people will there are any chance of changeing their stand by aug. if they continue their wrong path, them obama may be define by his true nature by then that john mccain will win by a land slide even if Hillary cna’t win the nomination.
I just don’t see all the rant any energy expand on these sites are enough to reach it’s goal.
with the coalition on justnodeal, there are no reason that they can’t effect change in this election.
now that’s “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”.
just my though, as i was debating weather i should make a donation to the PUMAPAC site.
I don’t know. I am supporting the groups to make sure that the message gets out.
andy
it’s not that the puma and no deal organizations are able to actually engage in ad wars on TV. That is very expensive and costs millions. Leave that to the repub 527s. After all they need to do some work for their candidate.
Rather than reduplicating their effort, what the coalition of PUMA and others organizations is trying to do is a grass root effort that is more personal, sincere and more heartfelt than any ads on TV. A spontaneous movement like that reverberates far better than adding another ad to the ten put out by repubs.
The protests in Denver will be far more damaging to the Dean Pelosi brazile cartel than any ads on TV.
Lastly, what is going on on the blogs and the internet may not reach the farmers and factory workers, but it is a reflection of what goes on in their hearts and minds, although it does not find a voice until the voting day in November.
The Demonazis are not afraid of a few thousand maniacs protesting on the blogs, but any politician knows that we are a statistical sample of the great wide expanse out there and the anger that burns in our thoughts is no brighter than the anger of the “not so savvy” “ordinary” people, who form the backbone of this country.
So it is important to support financially or in any other way, even by speaking out on the blogs, with co-workers, at any gathering suitable.
It may sound trivial that a few thousand post cards were sent to the power grabbers. It amy sound trivial that only 10 thousand marched in Denver, not a million. But there are hundreds of thousands for every single person in that march, who WILL march in November.
I don’t doubt what you said is ture. but that had no chance of changing the out come of the nomination. then we are still stuck with the choice of obama and mccain. i’ll vote for mccain in Nov, but that’s not my first choice. and protest outside of denver will be too late to change the fact that we have the choice of lesser of the two_.
i don’t post or reply much. i mainly like to read and search for facts to form my objective. it’s just that after reading for so long that i feel if there are real 527 action(as PUMAPAC claim to be one) it will really scare the like of howard sh**less. Then, they might realizedwhat they bought with obama. all they need to do it’s start with small ads in small market in battleground state, that alone will send a clear messege to dnc that this group of voter are serious. that’s just my though.
i am still hoping that Hillary can be the president so that we don’t have to go through years more of BUSHTIME.
The protest in Denver will be the last chance wake up call for the DNC before November. The rest of the efforts are geared towards making the idiots realize their mistake BEFORE it is too late. To look into the missing documentation, and questionable relationships and business dealings of Obama. And these efforts seem to be having some effect at least. It may not be enough, but every day there are more Democratic officials saying they will not support Obama because they and their constituents have valid questions about him. How many can the DNC afford to lose before they become a 2nd tier party?
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
Andy
I agree with you, but remember there is lot of diversity in this bunch. Even for voting. Some will stay home, some will write in, hopefully many more will vote mccain, that does have an impact. It is difficult to get everyone act cohesively. For now the modest goal is to keep going, hopefully till November. To ask them to pool their meagre funds for ads would be difficult.
I also agree that efforts need to focused in Ohio, Pennsylvania, wisconsin Michigan, New hampshire, New Mexico and colorado. Virginia will be taken care of by republicans. Rest of the states the outcome is forgone.
Ohio is the most important, followed by Michigan. But the leaders of these groups and individuality and their own opinions and they think for themselves and that is what makes what they are.
Let the chips fall where they fall. It will come together by august. Who knows, people may take vacations and travel from new york or california to canvass against nobama in ohio. Going door to door is how clintons (bill and Hillary both) capture peoples hearts.
I went to this rally by Bill clinton last month. Only 800-1000 people. But it was great. He shook everyone’s hand that wanted to. First time I shook president’s hand. it was something. I am sure everone there voted for Hillary.
Personal contact is a lot more effective. If I could spend 100000 dollars on an ad in New york times and pay expenses for a week of 100 canvassers going door to door in ohio. I would choose the latter.
Like you I am an immigrant and i have faith. Good people will prevail. But do what you can. talk to your relatives, friends. We will win.
we live in california. i doubt that will be a mccain state. i had 8 vote in our family that will never vote obama. we all love what the Clintons did in those 8 years. action speak a lot louder than words. too bad that so many can be so blind.
i like this site, it’s fun to see some of the comment here as well as some well informed post. we can hope that most american are more acceptable to the truth. but it’s not really looking good at this piont.
Actually California may be in play. nobama is ahead by only 7 but there are huge numbers of undecided.
Both mccain and governator arnold are pro environment. Mccain lives next door in AZ. He is the sponsor of bipartisan Mccain/kennedy pro immigration bill that is hugely popular amongst hispanics. Hispanics don’t have any particular party loyalty. Put all those things together and there is a real chance.
But even without california.
Go to the wikipedia page on 2004 presidential election.
Study it dispassionately. Look at the states with close margins.
Also go to Mccains websites and look at the strategy presentation. I had actually come to the same conclusions BEFORE I saw the powerpoint presentation. I am surprised that they are publicizing it, but it is not great revealed secret, nobama’s camp can come to the same conclusions it they set aside the arrogance and look at the situation without bias.
Bush won 286
Kerry won 252
Democrats need 18 more to win (17 won’t do because repubs win more states)
If Hillary was the nominee, she would win hands down because she’d take arkansas, WV, KY, Ohio, Fl, Michigan AND keep everything kerry got. That’s way over 300. Mccain won’t even put up a fight.
with nobama as the nominee,
He can take Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) Iowa (7) But he loses Wisconsin (10) and Michigan (17) and NH (4) that kerry took by very small margins. Wisconsin and NH margins were barely 9000 votes.
Michigan is pissed off about the theft of delegates ( and the repubs wont forget to remind them in october.) Romney, mccains VP, his father was michigan governor, lots of roots. Romny himself is from Massachusetts, he has influence in New Hampshire. And he is a mormon, that will keep Nevada safe and give some trouble in colorado and even oregon.
NH has been republican until clinton carried it in 92 and 96 and kerry barely carried it. Both NH and Wisconsin don’t have sizable black vote. and are fairly conservative and don’t like this trinity church and black supremacy crap. They are easy takes.
So even with CO NM and Iowa, nobama cannot win without both Ohio and Virginia AND he has to worry about not losing pennsylvania by neglecting it.
Virginia may have 20% black, but majority is military. They don’t like the connections to palestine and all that national security baggage that nobama carries. Mccain is 4 generation miltary. War hero, His son is Marine in Iraq. even democrat webb, the prospective VP, who himself is military, there won by a very slim margin and the former governor Mark Warner yesterday said politely NO to the VP post. He is giving that up for a senate seat. They all see the writing on the wall just as strickland, governor of Ohio did last week and Rendell, governor of Pennsylvania did last friday. Both Strickland and rendell are good people, both strong Hillary supporters and I bet not too happy about the power grab, move to chicago etc. that is going on. They want their party back, which sane democrat does not? The only way to do that is to relegate this nobody to obscurity.
The comment by strickland and unnecessary leak by Rendell was obviously a signal to their people in the state, boys don’t work too hard for this guy. he is toxic. And that is Ohio and Pennsylvania.
nobama and his gang are dreaming winning missouri and georgia. The would be advised not to go down south there. The bible belt is not a healthy climate for biracial, hard left winger.
So don’t lose heart.
The only way this buffoon can win if the hype makes us give up.
I read your post on the red & blue states. As a Missourian, I amworking with everyone I can to keep Nobama from winning my state . As you probably already know my state was All light blue for Hillary until the major metropolitian areas votes came in. It was very close…just about even. Claire McCaskill..our state DEM. senator thinks he is GOD reincarnited. She will never get my vote again. Ms. McCaskill has been traveling all around the state with Nobama to “reintroduce” him to voters. She hasn’t had much success in my area of the state….anyway thanks for the breakdown of electorial votes…it made me feel a little better that there is a chance to get McCain elected…that sounds so weird, I have been a staunch DEM. since 1968 & this will be my first REP. vote but Country before Party
I think California is in play. Hillary won the state. It has voted Republicans to be its governor, so it is not a sure thing for the Democrats.
I do, too. Arnold isn’t a hero. However, he does work the Dems.
That’s the key. Work with the Dems.
The Republican candidate this year is the only one who works with Dems.
We don’t like Obama. We may just prefer a split deal. White house to Repubs….congress to Dems
.
That’s the unity.
texas is not in play. it will go red. though i do see a chance of some state wide seats starting back toward blue. i don’t look for hutchinson to be on the ticket. i hear she might run for governor. perry is very unpoular even with repubs.
If McCain hones his message? He may penetrate in CA.
Obama’s health care plan is disastrous for us. Ditto for his tax plan.
He is offering zip to CA.
Stupid?
Yep, but that’s politics.
He is offering us nothing but more headaches.
Wow Andy, it’s nice to see a new American who knows more about our politics than some who have been here for generations.
Some tape, i mean. sorry for the typo.
save your money to buy gas
Yeah, it’s very expensive now thanks, in part, to the Cheney/Obama energy bill.
i guest you didn’t read my reply to you on the other post, and did not respond to me. Let me clarify for you. I can handle the gas price, unlike most other unfortunate working people. althought i cam to this country poor and didn’t speak english, it did not stop me to obtain my american dream(that’s without a penny from the welfare system and didn’t had to my gi bill benifit). i am mostly financial independent without a degree from the university of the BOX that you may have. you can call me uneducated by your definition. as i had travel the world in my mititary days and from another culture, i see the biggest flaw in the country are people live you who live inside the box and never been any where to see the world with open eyes(proof by the post you had regarding russia and china). unlike some, i don’t see a problem with skin color, religion, or gender. i keep an open mind, and don’t always buying to what other people sell me without extended research.
i enjoy reading on all kind of object and see through smoke screen that most so call educated had not care for. what you learn in school does not think to make you smart if you refuse to use your reasoning skill. it make you a computer at best.
so, until you have something intellegent to say, i don’t see any reason to waist my time on your talking piont. if you do have something original to say, i’ll be happy to read it.
Stop by to send a special THANKS to Hillary – and to get linked to the central ACTION hub for real Dems now on the run:
http://unityindiversity-spiritedpolitics.blogspot.com
America is under attack by Georg Soros and his Shadow Party, a must read.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/new-media-spin.html
George Soros is a socialist
He is a communist. There is a big difference.
Not a Soros fan, but I’m also not a fan of Libertarian-Republicans like Pam Geller. I’ll forgo that link.
Is that a picture of Soros holding a puppeteer’s stick making Barry’s hands move?
Wow – you’re linking to Crazy Pam. This place really attracts the nutters.
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The misogynist Frank Rich’s column today at the NYTimes is all about how the polls are wrong & Hillary’s supporters are not defecting to McCain!!?!?
What was the last time a candidate Frank Rich supported went on to win the presidency?
He is a member of the liberal elite, Obama’s base.
No candidate of the liberal elite has won a presidential election in my lifetime.
They supported Eugene McCarthy/George McGovern/Dukakis/Tsongas/Bradley
The liberal elite had nothing but contempt for Carter and Clinton, two Democrats who managed to win presidential elections in the last 40 years.
Liberal Elite like Frank Rich has contempt for the working class in this country. They agree with Obama that working class is bitter and clings to guns and religion. Election after election they back candidates that do not appeal to Middle America.
Frank Rich has never spoken to a voter from Southeast Ohio. He lives in a cocoon of upper east side.
Frank Rich is like Pauline Kael who said she didn’t know anyone who voted for Nixon AFTER Nixon won a landslide.
The contempt does ooze. But it’s for the voters, too. They have no use for middle America.
“And the evidence of misogyny in the press and elsewhere is irrefutable, even if it was not the determinative factor in the race.” - Frank Rich, NYTimes
Quite an admission!
Do the ladies wish to respond???
He dismissed the women from Women Count Too. Amazing sexism. And he sneers at the idea that women won’t reject the Democratic Party as “ludicrous.”
This is an editorial. He’s entitled to his opinion. It was particularly silly since McCain is now back even with Obama in the polls.
Why? Because Rich and others are just not getting the message.
These left cliff radicals who can’t make it in their fringe parties are the reason we cannot elect presidents. The majority of the party, whether they pretend they don’t exist or not, will NOT accept these candidates. They have and they will vote republican first. It’s a left leaning moderate or it’s a Republican. We keep telling them this over and over and over. The problem this time is we have one of them in charge of the party, else this would have never happened again.
The boost he received after securing the nomination with the votes of superdelegates was short.
I told you so, Obamabots. But no one listened to me, as my ideas are not sufficiently appreciated.
How can you put any credence in this to “predict” an outcome when they state- “The general-election results are based on combined data from June 12-14, 2008. For results based on this sample of 2,828 registered voters,” How can they with a straight face put the headline as “Obama-McCain Race Reverts to Virtual Tie” when they base that off of 2,828 registered voters. It’s sad..very,very sad.
This is not our American Democratic Party. December 11, 2006 Howard dean traveled to Europe to deliver the Keynote speech to the PES. February 13, 2007 the President of PES (Party of European Socialist), Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, addresses the Progressive Parties (Socialist Parties). In his speech Rasmussen thanked Howard Dean for introducing the Socialist Parties to a “NEW FORM OF CAMPAIGNING”.
“CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON”
According to DNC rules, no candidate is or can be the DNP nominee for POTUS until a role call is taken of all delegates at a convention, followed by a vote and one candidate is elected as the Democratic Party Nominee for POTUS.
So expect Obama manouvering to have it moved to Chicago so his Chicago thugs can threaten the non-Obama delegates on home turf!
So the roll call being cancelled is a rumor? OK.
The only rule for filling a Vacancy on a national ticket is :
VIII. PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION Page 22
Rule G Filling a Vacancy on the National Ticket: In the event of death, resignation or disability of a nominee of the Party for President or Vice President after the adjournment of the National
Convention, the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee shall confer with
the Democratic leadership of the United States Congress and the Democratic Governors
Association and shall report to the Democratic National Committee, which is authorized to fill the vacancy or vacancies.
So Dean can call it if he pulls another RBC move.
That would be a field day for the fall, a non-elected appointed nominee for POTUS, history will definately be made then and McCain will walk into the Oval office with ease!
It could be that they know something is coming down the pipe and are afraid that the delegates would vote for HC. Why is Dean so afraid of Hillary?
Because quite a few SDs haven’t endorsed Obama?
I thought that was interesting.
That’s exactly what I think. They know that by August there is NO WAY the SD’s or the voters will vote for Obama. That’s why they are so desperately trying to get Hillary out…even if it’s illegal, stupid and blatant.
That tells us the level of their desperation.
I think it’s important to remember that rather than Obama it was Blogojevich who was tapped to run for POTUS this year but after Rezko got busted and the domino effect began Obama was made to run. They NEED someone who can grant presidential pardons as well as stop any further investigations into the players of Operation Board Games.
Dean is desperate too because if Hillary wins she WILL clean house at the DNC!
I think they want the picture of unity, and there’s no way they can make that happen. It’s a lost cause.
I wonder if they’ll just cancel the convention. LOL*
I believe Hillary still has 1500 plus delgates.
That should give Dean cause for fear.
Get out your flip flops, It’s Obama time!
http://tinyurl.com/5a2jd3
This site is funny. A bunch of rightwingers, posing as “Democrats”, coming here to complain about the “Marxist”….”Socialist”….direction of the Democratic Party & how “Hussein” is going to ruin the country. LOL. Tell you what, gang. If you are truly “Democratic” voters, go ahead & vote for McSame in a fit of pique, since your Queen wasn’t coronated. No one really cares about your hissy fits, because come November, Old Man War will go down with Bush tied around his neck.
And you will break your nose if Obama makes a sharp turn
Funny stuff. In response, let me cut you an Irish Rose!
put it where the sun doesn’t shine, obamabutt!
You neo-liberals keep looking at the war from a 2 year old standpoint. The war has been successful since last summer.
Al-Queda has retreated back to Pakistan since the surge began.
The battle now is a proxy war with Iran.
A rapid withdrawl will leave Iraq as a trophy prize for a Country9Iran), that the IAEA sez may well have nukes soon.
How many Americans will die if we have to go back into the region 5 years from now?
How will it benefit the United States if Iran winds up controlling Iraq?
You can’t be serious. The war is a multi, multi-billion dollar mistake, our tax dollars being sucked down that Mid-east rathole faster than you can say “it will pay for itself!” Tens of thousands of lives destroyed for this boondoggle, and all I am hearing is speculation about Iran controlling Iraq. Well guess what? Maybe it is time for us to realize that we cannot control every friggin’ country in the world. Maybe we need to become more responsible in our actions, instead of shooting at everything that confuses and angers us.
Isolationist would ignore the very dangerous neighborhood that the world community has become.
Iraq has the 3rd largest supply of oil in the world.
If Iran controlls it what would you do?
Buy from Putin? Keep begging the Saudi’s?
Unless your nobel prize invention on energy is to be announced tommorrow, then what do you propose to use to power your lap top with?
HOPE?
Since Hope won’t cut it, and drilling in ANWAR is off the table, then why give up sitting on top of the worlds 3rd largest gas station?
It is their oil, under their ground. It is not our oil, under their ground. Think about this: if we didn’t go act like the world’s crooked sheriff, busting up everyone else’s country, then those other countries, who inconveniently lives over our oil, wouldn’t feel the need to arm themselves to the teeth against us. We have to start acting in good faith, we cannot just invade and take over every country that just happens to have a large pool of oil underneath it. That is a recipe for economic and societal collapse.
Ask Neville Chamberland how that worked out!
What a socialist statement.
Didn’t you learn about Capitalism?
Survival of the fittest.
He who has the gold makes the rules!
We should have taken Bagdad in ‘91!
You would wind up getting more people killed going in a third time!
Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler by bargaining away a significant piece of territory that did not belong to him or Hitler. Tell me how this situation even remotely resembles that lead-up to WWII? We are not bargaining away territory to a 3rd party. Maybe it is you that needs to bone up on history.
French surrender monkey?
“French surrender monkey??” LOL, is this lucianne’s boy?
Now that we are in Iraq, I hope we will stay and help the Iraqi’s secure their nation, peace, and sovereignty. I know that if we abandon these people, hundreds of thousands will be slaughtered, if not millions. We brought this war to them for our national security interest, we need to keep our word. We led young men and women into war, we must support them to victory and make their sacrifices mean something. One of the good things that has come from the war is that Saddam Hussein is no longer in charge.
I know that there is progress in Iraq that is not being reported by most of the media. In the three largest cities, the Iraqi military is responsible for security. The US military is only advising and supporting them. Bush just announced shorter tours of duty.
If the US did not pull out when our military and the people of Iraq were suffering the worse casualties, why would we abandon them now when there is real progress?
We cannot send the world and our friends the message that we will cut and run and abandon them. This is not good foreign policy, and it is one of the things that will drive other nations in the region to arm themselves and start their own nuclear program.
I understand the point about oil. If Iraq was in the hand of Al Qaeda or Iran, these terrorists will have control of a large portion of the world’s oil. They will use it to extort the world and destroy our economy. They will use the profits to buy arms and build nuclear weapons to hurt us and our allies. an independent, more democratic Iraq will sell its oil at market prices and not extortion prices. It will not have designs on destroying the US or giving aid and shelter to terrorist organizations.
I fault both parties for not making us more oil independent. Both Obama and McCain have been behind on this. McCain, like many of us, are now aware of how grave a threat oil dependency is to our economy and national security. I think he will take action to make us energy independent as soon as possible. Obama has not made energy independence a priority as far as I can see. Saying he wished prices hadn’t increased so rapidly and that it’s our fault for eating too much, driving SUVs, and keeping our thermostat on too high is no solution and not a serious way to approach the problem.
I wanted to add that I believe any oil coming from Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people. It does not belong to the US. If we want it, we must buy it at market price like any other country.
I am democrat and I am far from conservative. But I will not vote for someone who does not even know how to handle his own problems not to mention the countries. I had enough of inexperienced fools that try to run this country into the ground like that was what they were elected to do. Obama can’t even get a decent people to look for a VP. He says that he can bring the country together but he refers to white people as they were all the same. This guy will do more harm to race relations over the next few months then anybody could have imagined. But the biggest problem that I have with him is that he does not know anything. He is an empty suite who has not done anything.
Really? You don’t care, huh? Is that why you’re here leaving a comment? I normally don’t visit sites that I consider irrelevant and much less bother to leave a comment.
And….your reason for being here is ?, crackhouse!
You got to hit the party where it hurts to save the party.
Don’t donate to the DNC.
Don’t stay away from the poll. (Remember there are other things to vote for on the ballot.)
Don’t vote for the illegitimate candidate.
Don’t forget in November what happened in May and June.
Why save a party that told you to drop dead and owes you nothing?
Why save a party where its elected reprsentatives are silent in face of the party machinery disenfrancising millions of voters?
Why save a party that has promoted man for POTUS who associates with terrorist supporters, Marxists, racists, thugs and international crooks?
A man who stands for everything this country is not.
Obama and his elite gang has a hold of the party right now, but the party is more than this group of deceitful individuals. Once he’s defeated, the party can have a chance to clean house and regain its identity.
I agree. Let the democratic party fall. Let us finished what Dean and Donna and the RBC members started a few weeks back–push the button for McCain and let the democratic party implode. Let the democratic party fall in on itself and taste its own blood and dust and die a swift death. Out of the ashes of our old and once beloved democratic party will emerge a new democratic party cleansed of the dirt of the chicago political machine.
Here’s this cool new website, guys! Let me know if it exceeds the honesty quota here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome
Oh great, shift change at Obamaliars headquarters.
Nope, not even close to the honesty quota.
Well, well…..Now, the truth comes out about the Edwards. He’s interesting in running VP again.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080615/ts_alt_afp/usvote_080615202320
That guy is a fool. I was so mad that he had a chance to show Dick for what he really was and he rolled over for him during the 2005 debates. I spent a lots of money and time on that campaign and those two clowns lost and election that was for them to win or loose.
2004 debates not 2005.
He flip-flopped worse than Kerry. I would think people know by now that Edwards adds nothing to the ticker as VP.
My neighbor around the corner put up a flagpol in the front yard. The stars and stripes, and a POW/MIA flag atop it.
Wonder who he will vote for…
*flag pole
You think he will remember which party lied and deceived us into this criminal war?
Oh, I thought it was started by Hillary. LOL* That’s what the idiots on Huffpo said daily.
You’re now recalling it was Bush? Imagine that.
No she just voted for it. Not quite the same thing.
No, she DIDN’T VOTE FOR IT (she voted for something else, altogether): do your homework, Roundhouse.
She voted for the Iraq War Authorization. That legislation authorized Bush to wage the Iraq War. What’s the difference?
So did Kerry and Edwards and they endorsed Barky. If Barky had any integrity he shouldn’t he have refused their war mongering asses as well?
Who is “Barky?”
We are in a similar situation with Iran. There is evidence that it is building a nuclear bomb, and Iran has expressed the desire to destroy Israel. Obama has said that military options are on the table. I agree that military action should be an option. The problem is Obama is a hypocrite when he says this given his position on Iraq.
You think the eye on Auchi will not focus soon?
Pay to play, Illinois teacher retirement gone kaput.
Yeah, let’s talk about the real issues.
Every time I see an annoyance like roundhead, I want to reach for the benadryl cream.
Such rhetorical Obama puppets are like a rash, orat least intitially.
Then I realize that they, unlike a rash, lack a cause or substance. So I let the benadryl slide.
At least with a rash I do know what it is. I haven’t a clue what the Obamazoids are other than the fact that they are vacuous, inane entities operating in a psychotic vacuum.
Had a flag up for years now. The local firestations have the MIA flag up as well.
Our Police and Fire people rotate.
tommy lee jones in the movie the valley of elai(spelling?) puts the american flag on the pole upside down. i thought about that quite a bit. it shows there is something very wrong.
Won’t that be a great ticket, AnninCa?? They will win your state by a landslide!!! High Fives to everyone at NoQuarter!! Obama AND Edwards on the same ticket…
The anti-American and the Breck girl vs. the War hero. LOL
Wow, Catherine, I thought this was a democratic party site, not a Rush Limbaugh site. “Breck girl” is what Limbaugh always calls John Edwards. Why would you be quoting him? You may or may not know that Rush Limbaugh has insulted Hillary Clinton in the most malignant ways for the last 2 decades. He probably wouldn’t have a career had it not been for Hillary. I can’t believe you’re quoting him. Hillary would be appalled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
Outsider, you obviously listen to Rush Limbaugh too since you know that’s what he calls Edwards. So are you a republican too?
Howard Dean appears to have used Limbaugh’s caricatures of the Democratic Party as a template.
Dean et al. turned Limbaugh into a prophet.
Don’t go there Outhouse, your fellow obamabots were all over Larry’s hair cut. Don’t get me started on the rude things said about Hillary’s tits and cankles. By the by, Edwards does have great hair, it’s his choice in endorsments that sucks. Funny, Edwards kinda’ fell off the Obama radar once Wright reared his racist head.
Oh trust me I know. I also know that Obamabots behave JUST LIKE neocons towards the Clintons so spare me what YOU think Hillary would think because people like you could’nt care less what the Clintons think or anyone else who does’nt agree with you.
You just want our votes….now that you realize just how badly you need them….which we will NEVER give Nobama.
so you speak for Hillary, douchebag? I don’t think so.
If something is funny, it’s funny, I don’t care who said it. Some things Anne Coulter says are funny too. I think she’s angry and troubled, bordering on crazy, but people like that are often the funniest.
I don’t get my knickers in a twist if someone borrows a well placed put down from a right winger. Edwards let us down..he’s lucky if Breck Girl is all we call him.
CA voted for Clinton. Obama only won 4 counties. Edwards wasn’t a factor.
Today Obama is leading, but not by a lot. 7 points.
I don’t think the Latinos are very interested in Obama.
i don’t think edwards will be much of a factor in the south though the obama campign might hope so.
Great analysis, Susan! I can’t believe the how myopic Dean, Brazil & the DNC are in promoting their choice.
Will it be McSame or McLame?
Sharp as a sack full of wet mice.
It will be McPresident!!!
Edward knows how to pick a looser.
Edwards needs to fund his quaf habit!
We need not get unnecessarily worried about the polls.
The brief bump that nobama got on Jun 8 was due to the Hillary supporters that watched Hillary give the speech on last saturday and for a moment took her seriously when she said support the ratbag for the sake of party unity. Most of us could see the strain she was going through when she said it and could imagine the arm twisting that must have gone on. But those people who was swayed by her forced appeal now realize that she did not really mean that. They have also seen the shennanigans from nobama camp over the last week and come to their senses.
(Oh it has been only a week and there are still 10 more weeks before the convention. A rope long enough ….)
Coming back to the polls, the national polls always overestimate democrats because
1. Republicans turn out always better than democrats.
See the party affiliation from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:U.S._party_affiliation.svg
72 million registered democrats and 55 million repubs, 42 million independents.
With this demographics it is unimaginable that democratic party EVER loses.
But it does, in Presidential elections, again and again and again,
unless someone really worthy like Bill or Hillary comes along and then they come out and make mincemeat out of repubs.
The pollsters, however, when they sample the population, sample 72 democrats, 55 repubs and 42 independents.
2. The polls are nationally taken. Heavily populated states like NY, TX and CA get allocated shares in the poll proportional to their population.
The electoral map does not care. The election will not be fought in CA or NY or TX, it will be fought in appalachia, OH PA, and also in wisconsin and michigan. Since this is not taken into account, the polls reflect the popular vote not the election outcome. You can win CA an NY by a huge 40% margin and lose by 5 % margin in enough states to lose the electoral vote battle.It would be ironic if nobama actually won the popular vote and lost the election. It is not likely, he is almost certain to lose both, but it would be ironic.
3. The pollsters contact people mostly by phone and other means. Do you think small town working people have time for this shit? The pollsters generally go for the urban areas, people with cell phones, nobody calls the farmer on his tractor or plumber on a job or a construction worker pouring cement. But paradoxically, these are the people that vote more than the urban elite. More educated and wealthier you are, you are less likely to vote. But more educated and urban you are, you are more likely to be polled by the pollsters. That skews the poll. They say in statistics, Garbage in, garbage out.
Having said all this, polling is a science, but like any other science, it is a tool and a lot of polling organizations put their agenda in the results.
It is said that out of the three professions, which can be wrong over and over and over and still keep their jobs, only the weathermen and women are honestly wrong. They have nothing to gain by making false predictions.
The other two namely the financial advisors and pollsters are just vermin.
No wonder Elizabeth wouldn’t endorse. LOL*
I can’t believe he’d run as VP again. Jeesh*….the guy loves to lose, huh?
As a former TL’er commenter/reader, I find it comical that Jeralyn posts ANYTHING that might reflect negatively on Obama. She made it quite clear to her readers that Talk Left supports unequivocally Obama, despite the fact that she had an opinion contrary to that point of view on May 31st as the RBC meeting was being live blogged.
I loved Talk Left but since yesterday when Jeralyn spouted off that certain types of remarks about Obama stealing the primary election (he did with the help of the DNC) would not be tolerated, I won’t go there anymore.
Soon enough Talk Left will be a different shade of orange than Daily Kos. So, who needs it anymore?
Besides, Jeralyn and Big Tent seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth 1/2 the time anyway about Obama. They are conflicted. I’m not.
I agree Txpolitico!!! I am not conflicted, either!!
Nobama ran a fraudulent campaign that was based on VOTERS AND RULES and I for one will not stand for it!!!!!! No Obama, Never. NO VOTERS AND NO RULES!!!!
Plan A: Clinton
Plan B: McCain
Plan C: Move to Canada or Crawford, Texas
“Fraudulent” campaign based on “rules???” Are you serious? That is a contradiction in terms. Someting based on “rules” is, by definition, not “fraudulent!!” By the way, enjoy Crawford. It is, I assure you, hell on earth.
I can guarantee you Crawford is better than Chicago where Nobama and all his thug politicians fixated on RULES AND VOTERS live. Crawford is where President Bush lives. We now support President Bush’s political cousin and close friend John McCain after the DNC decided to take the nomination away from McCain’s other political cousin and close friend, Hillary Clinton.
The DNC lost this lifelong democrat when they decided to let RULES AND VOTERS trump everything, and everyone here agrees. If you don’t like it, move to Chicago with the other RULES AND VOTERS peddlers.
Plan A: Clinton
Plan B: McCain
Plan C: Move to Canada, Crawford, TX or any place with low abortion rates and high rates of support for invading and occupying more soveriegn nations. Just No Obama, NEVER!!!!!!!
I Heart Hillary!!!, and Roundhouse: both trolls but on overlapping shifts.
(IHeartHillary = mocking-in-imitation troll; Roundhouse = sarcasm troll).
Taylor Marsh today has an article that we’re “hurting” Hillary if we don’t vote for Obama.
Can you beat that?
It’s a diatribe!
I’m completely disgusted with Taylor Marsh’s about-face: it’s hard to believe she ever had any convictions worth a dime.
It was a weird article. I guess she and Jerylyn have taken a position.
What’s sort of “karma” is that the Obomobots are as rude as ever. LOL*
Taylor Marsh has always said from day one that she would support the democratic nominee. She has followed through on that statement and, yes, with conviction.
How is that unprincipled?
BO is not the legitimate democratic nominee now, not before the convention and for many, not after either because of the continued unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton. It’s the fact that TM turned a bline eye to this and folded like a tent that people have problem with.
If Obama is not the nominee after the convention, I’m sure she will support whoever is.
You could be right. I never liked her pro-Hillary articles.
Yep…..she struck me as rigid.
And she always posted them on Huffpo, where I know as a writer, I’d never endorse.
I am not surprised by TM.
She has followed through on her ASSIGNMENT. She is only concerned about a radio gig and hobb nobbing in Denver. She’s easy.
yeah i think it is more about taylor than anything else. she was booted out and wants back in.
When I go to TalkLeft or Taylor Marsh, I feel like I’ve entered a blog version of “Invasion of the Bodysnatchers”. But I still like reading all points of view. NoQuarter is still my favorite.
Multiple viewpoints are good stuff.
Give Cannonfire and Savage Politics a look also.
The Confluence, Howler, etc. Many good sites
out there working hard for fairness.
Just like our favorite, NoQuarter.
I. love Riverdaughter and Liberal Rapture too.
Oh, and The Reclusive Leftist. There are a lot of us out there. Who needs Taylor?
you can still get some decent back and forth on talk left but i have to wonder how much longer. if the polls don’t show much for obama, then i have to wonder how blogs like talk left will handle it. they don’t tend to be that persuaded.
TM has become a prostitute for Obama — first she claims that Hillary has let her delegates go. A LIE.
Again TM is a liar.
WE are supporting Hillary by voting FOR McCain (or NOT voting for snObama) — that way in 2012 Clinton can run and WIN.
The only way to clean up the sexist pigs who run the DNC is to vote against their guy — snObama.
Obama has got to go (to jail).
No Bama — No Obamanation!
Vote McCain in 08 and Clinton in 2012. Clean up the DNC.
Whatever — I’ll remain an Independent.
I will NOT forget nor forgive!!
She stoops to conquer!
Check this out: Rocky Mountain News:
Walk-through abruptly a no-go
DNC planners to reset media’s Pepsi Center visit
By Kevin Vaughan, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 11:59 a.m., June 13, 2008
Updated 12:03 a.m., June 14, 2008
The committee planning the Democratic National Convention abruptly canceled a media walk-through at the Pepsi Center scheduled for next week, citing unspecified “outstanding issues.”
Party officials on Friday denied that fundraising woes led to the cancellation, which was expected to draw “a few hundred” members of the media from around the country.
“It is not due to money issues,” said Chris Lopez of Denver’s convention host committee.
The committee has been struggling to raise the $40.6 million it is contractually obligated to have on hand by Monday.
In mid-May, Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper acknowledged that the host committee had banked only about half of the money it was supposed to raise for the convention.
Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, was cryptic about the reasons for the cancellation.
She said the group wanted to make sure it could provide all of the information needed by members of the media who will cover the convention, scheduled Aug. 25-28 at the Pepsi Center.
Wyeth said a new date for the walk-through would be set in the “coming days.”
“It’s almost purely logistical,” Wyeth said of the information that would be shared during the walk-through. “When we do hold the spring media walk-through, when we do have the new date, we will be providing a total and complete picture of those details at that time.”
Several hundred representatives of newspapers, television networks and other media outlets attended an earlier walk- through, on Nov. 12. It featured Democratic National Committee chairman and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.
In an e-mailed statement, Theodore LeCompte, director of media logistics for the Democratic National Convention Committee, said he recognized that the cancellation posed a “significant inconvenience” to those who had to travel to Denver for the event.
Wyeth said she did not know how many of those planning to attend the walk-through were from outside Colorado, or how many already had made travel and hotel arrangements.
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Colorado is a state that is crucial for nobama. And most of his support is in the urban sprawl from Denver to Boulder. Outside that the map is all red.
Now think of it. If the host committee does not raise the money and since DNC has a contract with them, the city of denver is left to pay the unpaid bill of 10-15 million dollars. What do you think happens in the minds of voters in the city of denver? They just subsidized the democratic convention! I’d be madder than whatever.
Bye Bye colorado!
That is a scary though, a state almost ready to switch over goes back to the republican side.
Denver will have South Park moments from here until after the convention schedule…
I live in another state that was ready to turn blue (if Hillary was the nominee). Now, it’s McCain by a wide margin. Arkansas.
Who knows? Denver was angry with the DNC because they haven’t delivered payments. Pulling out may actually softten them.
They just don’t want to get stuck with the bill.
(Anyone else laughing here? Obamamoney doesn’t go so far?)
I just think it’s all over-kill.
And it will only serve to drive those of us out of the party already further out.
Obama is fucking up.
Clear and simple.
There we go. Denver is off.
HireHeels is putting together a plan for a mass rally there.
The boyz are nervous.
Know your Obama
http://tinyurl.com/2rrvwx
Breck girl, I thought that was over with.
Bad memories, voting for something before voting against it, agreeing to fight a war, just not agreeing how to do it…
We’ve traded all that for withdrawing all combat troops before continuing the occupation, no permanent bases, just bases…
The DNC, channeling losertology the same time every four years.
Check this out:
Chronicle of Higher Eductaion article:
June 13, 2008
Some Students for Clinton Switch Sides
Calling Sen. Barack Obama “unqualified” to be president, the leaders of the University of Iowa chapter of Students for Hillary Clinton are calling on Clinton supporters to vote for the presumed Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, in November, The Nation reports.
In a letter sent this week, the student leaders, Cody Eliff and Nikki Dziuban, accuse the Obama campaign of being “very dirty in the way they attacked Hillary Clinton” and lavish praise on Mr. McCain. “John McCain is an honorable man,” the letter reads. “He is good personal friends with Hillary Clinton. He is qualified to be president.”
For Democrats who “can’t stomach McCain,” the letter offers another option: the Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney, an African-American from Georgia who lost her seat in Congress in the 2006 Democratic primary.
Mr. Eliff and Ms. Dziuban are hardly the first disappointed Clinton supporters to threaten to switch sides. But the fact that the letter came from college students in Iowa could make the Obama campaign nervous. Students, after all, are a core Obama constituency, and Iowa is expected to be a battleground state.
Link:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/2193/some-students-for-clinton-switch-sides
Looks to me like we are growing…and they all said we would come around Ha!!!!!!
That’s our guy here who posted. He’s a mover and shaker type. Cute! Nice to see he’s getting attention.
Once Obama loses in November, we need to make sure all the elected officials that supported him are replaced.
And how would you do that after November? There’s no provision for impeaching members of Congress, you know?
If you wanted to replace them, you should have been running primary opponents against them.
Apparently Obama’s half brother, Malik, never looked at Obama’s website or got the memo that Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.
He is quoted in another newspaper mentioning Obama’s Muslim background.
This article concludes:
“It is not clear whether Barack Obama will now disown his half-brother Malik, or throw him under the campaign bus, for acknowledging that shared family background. In any case, some one should notify “Fight the Smear” tout de suite. Perhaps they can get him with the program.”
Someone better speak with Malik and give him Obama’s talking points before he meets with the American press.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
malik just came through our section looking for a seat. we told him this section was full. poor guy, he looked hungry and tired.
Lots of elections are coming up — The General election — some of the candidates will hold primaries after Labor Day.
Then there are the Congressional elections in 2010 — and that is another chance to ditch the jerks who helped snObama or endorsed snObama.
Identify the creeps and then vote to eliminate.
Identify and then eliminate.
Have a long memory do not forget who the enemies are!!
The worst part of this is that the Democratic label has been blistered.
Ditto for the Republican label.
So now, both parties are dead even in public disdain.
We don’t like either.
I have already started calling the campaigns of down-ticket Demos asking point-blank who they supported for the nomination.
If the answer is Barack Obama, I tell them I will vote for their Republican opponent. IF HRC, then they get my vote.
Making my own voters guide, even doing the same thing for family members in other states.
My grandchildren are helping and loving it, feel as if they are involved in the process and still helping Hillary.
But Northwest…ROSSI, I, I, I….uh…I hate that guy. Greguire pissed me off to no end, but Rossi….ugh. You and I are screwed.
Obama Senior Campaign Strategist David Axelrod Criticized Sen. Clinton For Employing Mark Penn, Whose Firm Once Represented Countrywide. MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann.
(MSNBC’s “Countdown,” 4/7/08)
Jim Johnson, A Former CEO Of Fannie Mae And Top Obama Campaign Adviser, Received Special Loans From Countrywide:
Jim Johnson, A Former CEO Of Fannie Mae Chosen To Lead Obama’s Vice Presidential Search Committee, Received Special Loans From Countrywide Financial CEO Angelo Mozilo.
“Countrywide Financial Corp. makes mortgage loans through a vast network of offices, brokers and call centers. But a few customers have gotten their loans a special way: through Countrywide Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo. These borrowers, known internally as ‘friends of Angelo’ or FoA, include two former CEOs of Fannie Mae, the biggest buyer of Countrywide’s mortgages, say people familiar with the matter. One was James Johnson, a longtime Democratic Party power and an adviser to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign, who this past week was named to a panel that is vetting running-mate possibilities for the presumed nominee.”
(Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, “Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans,” The Wall Street Journal, 6/7/08)
So did Chris Dodd, Conrad, and others. Karma is hell!
Want to make a difference?
Go to http://www.johnmccain.com/ & contribute $1.00
We need to be ORGANIZED, to be effective. I mentioned yesterday, there are too many splinter groups. We must coordinate under one umbrella org.
IMO, we should choose one monumentally important swingstate that Obama MUST win, like PA , MI or OH and focus our resources there.
Internet sites can take up donations for a major ad buy and to fund other operations.
Perhaps we need to start with a mini-summit of the splinter groups leadership, to formalize our grievances and strategize. The DNC “leadership” will quickly learn that we can throw up a formidable firewall in any state of our choosing.
At least Obama leads among women, 51% to 38%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107806/Obama-Gains-Among-Women-After-Clinton-Exit.aspx
51%……not really that great of a number considering Democrats are over 60% women.
He’s lost a chunk of us.
But I don’t think women will defeat him. We are just one among many.
Latinos, Jewish Dems, White working class, Men, AND women…..
That will sink him.
Nope. Obama has a large lead among Hispanics.
According to the Washington Post/WSJ poll of 6/13:
“Obama now leads John McCain by six points nationwide, the new poll said, about twice the margin reported in May. Most of the internal findings were predictable: Obama leads among women, blacks, Catholics, and independents. McCain is tops among whites, males, white suburban women and evangelicals.
According to the poll, Hispanic voters are backing Obama by a margin of 62 to 28 percent.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1814676,00.html
National polls don’t translate into electoral college victory.
Of course not.
But the data rebuts the poster’s point to which I reponded.
Sleepy, like other Obama minions has to scurry around everyday trying to find a bright spot for Obama, as the shadows coles in tighter.
They love Gallup as a rule, but not today. Gallup is out of favor. As is any negative poll or news scource re Obama, on any given day.
Such reactions draw a clear distinction between HRC supporters and BHO supporters.
BHO minions have always been paranoid and panic driven reactionaries. Hrc supporters have always taken all such with a grain of salt, riding out the ebbs and flows.
We are in a comfort zone knowing we hold the key to this election. The Obama folks remain paranoid, exibiting their standard psychoactive behavior, always fearing the next dropping of a shoe.
Actually, I cited a Gallup poll.
Since the title of this thread deals with polling, I think my comments are appropriate. Moreover, I don’t see anything in the polls for an Obama supporter to be paranoid about. I have always been optimistic about Obama’s chances, and no more so than in the past few days.
Whoever “we” is, I doubt it. There seem to be pretty solid numbers out there backing Obama, and I would suspect that the Hillary supporters for McCain will become increasingly smaller in number as time goes on, not that it was particularly a large group to begin with.
You do realize that without the media holding Obie wan up on a silver platter, he would not be the presumptive nominee.
Please, spare me the empty retort that Rezko and Wright did hurt him, or guilt by association. Yes its guilt by whom he’s been friend or mentored for 20 years each. Just like parolees who hang around ex-cons lose their freedom because they continued mixing with the wrong crowd.
Unvetted, countless questionable associates, gaffes: “57 states, you bring a knife – we’ll bring a gun”, refusing to debate because he is afraid of unscripted questions. There is a lot YOU Obama supporters don’t know, and if you do know then look yourself in the mirror and see the shadow of your former selves. You are an Obamapod, full of fear, grasping at straws.
gallup, gallup! dang you are one desperate troll!
I will wait to see state by state polls where there are congregations of these groups.
I don’t believe he’ll win over Latinos. Or jewish Dems.
I think they will say they are undecided….and they really aren’t.
They really are going to vote for McCain but don’t want to be hassled.
actually obama is losing his butt!
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That’s an excellent suggestion, Artist!! Excellent!!
That’s what PUMA is about.
The other group that could use a few bucks is Women Count Too. They are running ads.
But so far, PUMA is the only one to register to run independent ads.
I am told Dukakis was holding a 14 points lead this time a year.
Obama hasn’t even been touched by the DNC!
s/b George H. W. Bush
I saw on one of the website that the Obama camp is opening websites pretending to be ex hillary supporters. His supporters are trained to bring in the lost voters. He already has some of the older woman back on his side thay say on the news. I do not believe a bit of it. We can not believe one word we hear on CNN, MSNbc. Obama also has in his camp an ex ABC news commentor who is working for him now, so that locks up ABC. He has spent millions on media coverage. If you look up his campaign contributions you will see what a liar he is. he has been taking PAC HEDGE and money from lobbists all along. They just weren’t Federal. Only State lobbists and PACs. It is a matter of State v. Federal to him I guess. PAC money is PAc Money, Lobbists is a lobbists what do I care if they are from Fed or State. he said he does not take money from Federal lobbists or PAC’s.
Funny I keep hearing that too, denise, ‘women are turning back to bambi’, but not one live interview. Just web sites. I want to meet one of these women face to face. And no polls cited either, hmmmmmmmmm. Sounds like Rove and his talking points that used to be circulated everyday to news outlets and spoke persons.
Sleepy needs to wake up and smell the coffee because this election is going McCains way. Obama is not the Savior of the World sleepy. He’s a man that wants power. He is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world. He also wants to disarm us. Remove our missile defence systems. He would leave us sitting ducks for terroists around the World. He thinks (elitist) that he can TALK to our enemies, stands on the stage and preaches to us about how we should live. Its none of his business how weraise our kids, or how we livwe our lives. That is not his job, but he is trying to make his job. Wake up america change is comin. Next thing you no we will be like communist Cuba.
This sets up beautifully for McCain. If there really are that many undecided voters out there, the longer they stay undecided, the more likely they are, when the curtain to the voting booth closes, to play it safe and go with the older guy who’s been around for a while rather than with the bright, fresh, but thus far untested newcomer.
“. . . with the bright, fresh, but thus far untested newcomer.”
Bright? I don’t think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8
Fresh? No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUzlrc&feature=related
Untested? Definitely!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7eBTFSv7nE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4ixxD5Om4&NR=1
on June 3rd 2008 the democratic party was taken over in a putch by the OBOMMUNISTS! HENCE IF THIS IS ALLOWED I SUGGEST A NEW NAME FOR THE PARTY< THE OBOMMUNIST PARTY! this is god awful and the OBOMMUNISTS tolerate no dissent whatsoever and launch vicious attacks against any perceived ‘enemies’! save our party and nation and spread the word! stop the OBOMMUNIST takeover NOW!
hillary “08!
The coffee smells great.
The cold war is over, yet McCain is still stuck in that mindset as, it appears, are some of his supporters.
As far as missile defense systems go, al-qaeda, unlike the Soviet Union, has no ICBM’s and has no capacity to make any. The missile defense has never been proven to work except in the most controlled trials, and while it may be an important piece of pork for the armaments industry, the public itself has far greater needs.
How naive!
Bush/rice thought colombian druglords were the only enemy, when they were blindsided by Al qaeda’s attack.
Now it is al qaeda and nothing else.
You the chinese and russians do exist and the only thing that prevents china from gobbling up taiwan and even japan and the only thing that prevents russia from annexing the arctic is the ICBMs and nukes possessed by US.
That is why we need a moderate. Hillary is best and she will be back in 2012. In her absence mccain will do.
Another bush will bankrupt us with bravado.
Another carter clone will sell out our best interests in exchange for the milk of human kindness.
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The far left has taken over the Democrat Party. They nominated a radical for president. They find the constitution is something they must get around rather than yield to. It would not suprise me if they took all but Obama off the convention voting list. That is the way Marxists “vote.” They would do it in the National race if they could get away with it – in a heart beat.
“The far left has taken over the Democrat Party.”
Very true, Sara. There are lots of “Truman/JFK democrats” out there who are voting McCain because their party left them. I’m one of them.