Is Barack Eligible to be President?
By Larry Johnson on June 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM in Current Affairs
I must admit I initially thought this was a farfetched question. But there is a significant body of evidence, some circumstantial, that suggests the answer may be “no.” An internet friend (Katherine) has pursued this relentlessly. She sent me the following:
According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to “TWO” U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,“ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.
But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya. Well, the Hawaiian law stiplulates that:
…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”
It appears that Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means she was shy of the 21 years of age required by the law. In other words, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At what point was Barack Obama Jr., son of Barack Obama Sr., recognized by the U.S. Government as an American citizen? When he moved to Indonesia with his mother and step-father in the mid-1960s I am assuming he had a U.S. passport.
There is a law suit in the works. Of that you can be sure. As was noted in an early post today on No Quarter, Barack’s stubbornness on the birth certificate issue is keeping the matter alive. Not a good idea going into the General Election.
I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. but the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?
Here is an excellent site for US Citizenship Law.
http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm
How can you follow a guy who still gets his hair cut with a bowl? LJ looks like Moe. And he is a stooge!
Realchicken(shit), that illogical utterance is called an argumentum ad hominem. Don’t get us started now. Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and the rest of you members of the Wright/Pfleger/Farrakhan Cult do not meet any standard of style or pulchritude.
B.O.W.L.* Big Time in November (2008)
HRC – 45th POTUS (2012)
*Barack Obama Will Lose
Quick note to Larry Johnson, upon listening to the Rush Limbaugh show today.
(I thought you would get a laugh out of this)
Rush in trying to defend himself in response to the FighttheSmears blog……regarding the possibility of a Michelle Obama tape said the following…
1) Larry Johnson is a left-wing liberal democrat
2) Larry Johnson is a left-wing democrat party hack
3) Larry Johnson saw the Michelle Obama tape himself.
skin head!!!
Now that Obama is preseident.
Go fuck yourself in the ass…really really hard, den suck ur own fucking dick, get AIDS and go slowly die somewhere in a corner.!
pleas excuse my language but you evidently know how to upset an individual! So unless you’re ignorant don’t post anymore comments like these.
Obama Supporter…You show your IQ by your lack of Vocab. Profanity shows lack of character and creativity.
I don’t know how you can be sworn into office with something like that over your head. He needs to give out the whole document and background info otherwise this will be a big problem for lots of people. Including myself. What is there to hide? Why did his Kenyan grandma say she was there in Kenya where he was born? It raises too many questions. I’m not a fan of either candidate and wasn’t going to be dancing in the street either way. It’s a simple thing really to produce the doctumentation if you have it. I’m just stating facts. I’d say the same thing if John McCain was in question.
I am so glad that someone is not on this parade of Obama like the rest of the ignorant americans are. I do not condemn you for voting for Obama, but i will acknowledge your ability to stand up for facts. I agree with your argument about providing an actual (original) birth certificate. The rest of us americans have to provide this certificate in order to attend school and grasp jobs, however Obama does not have to provide one to run our country? He is causing too much attention to himself and it is ridiculous. From my understanding is, he tried to forge one once before and apparently he got caught. i don’t know the whole story on that, but i would like to know more. As for the conspiracy of Obama being born in Kenya, I would like to know more on that as well. Unfortunately, she passed away, however we still have to mother and father to fall back on.
We all should pray because a BOLD FACE LYING MUSLIM is going to the White House.
We may never recover from this.
isnt that the truth prayer is about the only thing we have to protect us.
Its funny how this country was founded by honest God fearing people and has always been based around christianity, now we are going to have a president that will take all of that away. Everyone sais this is a historical election and there right this day marks a turning point but unfortunately its for the worse. I will continue to support my country but I WILL NOT SUPPORT OBABMA. I will stick to my christian beliefs and pray for my country to realize obama is not a true american.
this country was not based on CHristianity. In fact, church (ALL religion) and state (Government) are supposed to be decidedly separate. You need to read some more history, and turn off the a.m. radio whack-jobs misinforming you.
Ahem the constitution actually states that government cannot make any law regarding an “establishment” of religion. In the vernacular of the day, this simply means that US Gov cannot tell a church how to practice faith, and that government cannot establish its own favorite church. It unfortunately does not state in any way that religious principles and doctrine cannot participate in methodologies of governance. Most of the founders were in fact men of faith who came here to rid themselves of the financial tyranny that Church of England, Vatican, and central banking had created.. If you can find a single line written by one of the founders that states that religious principles should have nothing whatever to do with governance, please post it.
You are a lair. This Country was founded on the one true Christian God. We had prayer in all and every court room before court. Before and after the election of a President we had prayer. The bible was the main curriculum in every school, and All of the first every colleges were started to study Gods word in the for of the Bible, not the Koran our any other book.
As for the term separation of church and state, it is a big lie to just like your uneducated mouth. The phrase “Separation of Church and State” is not even in any of our governments document, but only in a privet letter to a citizen. People like you are the reason this country has fallen from greatness. Anyone who vote’s for someone who goes against GOD’S laws (the ones this country is founded on) brings judgment on this country. As I am sure that is what you and people like Barracka Hussein Obama really want. I am sure you will get the judgment you seek, even after you stop looking for it.
That is entirely untrue. This nation was founded by extremely religious groups- both protestant and catholic. Each of the 13 colonies had its own religion. It was because of this, and their different beliefs, that they could not get along with eachother. That is why they voted for secular government. But our country is founded on religion, like it or not. “In God we Trust,” anyone?
This country was not based on CHristianity? I wonder why we had the ten commandments in all of the courts back then. Why would we have “IN GOD WE TRUST” on any of our currency if our founding fathers ever meant church and state were supposed to be decidedly separate? try to change history all you want but most will always know better.
Part of being a christian is not judging someone you do not know .Just remeber when you point your finger at someone it always points back to you .Everyone has ther opinion but let GOD do the judging remeber what it says on everything around us says IN GOD WE TRUST . God will pull every one who believes in him through .,
he’s a half-black, half-white Christian you moron. people talk about the republican party as being the “Christian” party just because they vote against abortion and gay legislation. how about keeping down the poor? how about lying and deceit? i disagree with obama on abortion, but obama will be a more Christian President than the evil Bush/Cheney.. easy to see.
Steve,
Actually, Obama isn’t half-black. He is:
50% White
44% African-ASIAN
6% African-BLACK
Be sure to get your facts straight before ranting. And by the way, attacking someone for there views isn’t being a responsible US Citizen. Disagreement and debate to find common ground are what makes this country great.
Don’t be a hater!
I won’t call you a lier. You are just ignorant to the truth.
WOW !! When did you do DNA test on Obama to find that out ? Tell me his father was a Black Kenyan (just like 99% of hs fellow countrymen) or an Black-Asian. BTW where the hell did Obama get asian blood ?? From living in Indonesia ?? Just for the record I voted McCain/Palin but I´m sick of the smears.
Obama is only 1/8 black. Look up his heritage. Our country was founded on Christianity. It’s really sad that it is losing that. We Christians need to start standing up for what’s right and stop taking crap from everybody! We don’t deserve it!
The birth certificate shown doesn’t have the doctor’s name or the father’s signature. That thing is nowhere NEAR real! Obama is a liar and does not deserve to be president of our country! He needs to just go away and let McCain take over instead! McCain may be a lot older, but he knows a whole heck of a lot more, and is DEFINITELY more patriotic than Obama! That picture going around on the internet that people are arguing about…well, if everybody else is saluting the flag, why the heck can’t he? I guess he’s too frickin’ lazy, huh? Is that his reasoning? He’s going to get us all screwed into the ground, if not killed. As somebody did say above, all we can do now is pray, which I will be doing A LOT of! I do not support his beliefs or supposed morals, but I will pray for him to be wise in making decisions for our country. Maybe he will wise up before February. We’ll just have to wait and see.
My mom probably said it best when she said that this is probably a wake-up call to Christians because as a whole we have been lazy and have not been standing up for what’s right (generally speaking, of course). God is wanting us to stand up for Him and His word. We all need to wake up and pray that everything turns out okay in these next four years.
I will say that one of the sad things is that if an African American tries to run again, they will all be compared to Obama, which will really suck. I do think it’s a huge milestone that we have another race besides white going into office, but I just don’t believe it should be him. Sadly, I have to go along with it, though. The only thing we can do is impeach him, but that’s pretty hard, though. Plus, Biden is no better, and then if we impeach him, the Secretary of State is like communist, and I don’t know who the heck goes after her, so yeah…pretty well not good. Just keep praying, no matter how much you disagree with his politics. He may change. God can work miracles. I’ve seen them. Let’s just hope He does one over on this country!
God bless you guys! Have a great Thanksgiving!
Steve just go fuck yourself OK no one loves you enough (unless your a liberal D-Bag.) Gay = wrong Obama = wrong so just go look at the facts.NOT OK.
Isn’t cussing someone out wrong? Calling them names? It’s hard to believe that so many “Christians” are so hate filled.
Actualy he is not half black and half white.He is two thirds muslim and one third white, trace his ancestory.
When did “Muslim” become a race?
Wow. It’s sad to think that there is still racism in this country and bigotry. I was born in Puerto Rico but raised in New York. I consider myself to be an American just like everyone else who was born in this country or a US territory. I grew up learning the same thing everyone else did with the exception of hate and racism and bigotry. Sure, I learned about it, but did I want to go out and call someone a n***** or a wet**** because of where they came from? Hell no. I respect everyone equally no matter how stupid you or your views may seem. It’s high time we get someone in office that will get this country back to where it needs to be. In my own personal opinion I believe that the ones badmouthing Obama are the ones who are jealous because he is MORE American than they are.
Amen Sister. YOu’re right! Americca has a rude awakening. How many immoral associations does it take for the american people to see that this man may have some major and unfavorably issues. The massive amounts of money raised for his campaign in the middle of a economic diaster raises some flags.Whats this thing about the DEM.campaign insisting that the average American isn’t concerned with the “character” of any man running for the US, rather, what we want is more of is “Change” a word, that was the slogan. How dare you! Obama acted like he had a copyright on that word. “Change” Right ! What change?,None, He appointees the old Clinton cabinet. I guess people are clapping and screaming how brilliant that he is not going to keep his promises. He’s already made excuses. it was all a bluff.
A man with no experience, a Community organizer” in Chicago, that results in the worst voting corruption cases in the history of US . “ACORN” that had to embarrass him . associated with 11-16 states of proven fraudlent voting harassament practices. He was bought and paid for by corrupted people just a few mentioned that are in jail now or should be in jail: like real estate fraud , campaign organizer and extortionist Tony Resko, and terriost Ayers who should be, just to name a few. Or, wake up he gets paid off to turn his head about what was happening with economy and mortgages. as 2nd largest kickbacks from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,than any other Senator in history. He wasnt even in the senate for a 1-1/2yrs. Rev Wright, well he’s unbelievable. Scarr-y-y , talk about racist, He preaches his hate for whites and the American dream. What about Larry Sinclair in a news conference fearing for his life talking about how he was introduced to Obama admitting having gay relationship in great detail back in the 90’s while Obama indulged in crack cocaine. Obamas comments , on all of the above something to the sort he had no idea of these people beliefs and what they stood for, by golly. I was not aware of any immoral practices that these people demonstrated. So what I knew them for over 20 years. Wake Up, he may not even be an American Citizen, it has been noted and is still being challenged in court that the birth certificate may have been falsified and born in Kenya. Even his Grandmother alledegly admits this. To bad she is not around,to clarify this allegation unfortunatley she passed away a few days before he won the election.
Why didn’t Obama hand over his college records? What was the big deal? I hope and pray it all pans out for the best for the AMerican People ? I hope all allegations are false. This is more BS on one man than I ever have heard and still got elected. Please God I hope its all wrong.
Too bad, you’re right. This entire election was a fraud. Neither Obama nor McCain are eligible to serve as President per the requirements of our Constitution. Oh, don’t you people remember that scrap of paper? It’s previously been described as the “supreme law of the land.” Now the new world order socialists have destroyed it. Don’t forget to buy LOTS of ammunition for your guns. That’s what these socialist facists will try to ban. What good is a gun without ammo? How will the people be able to regain their country without arms? Read some of Thomas Jefferson’s writings. That may have to be the only way to restore our Constitution. It appears that the election process shows little hope with the ignorant electorate.
McCain is based on US control of Panama and his fathers active duty service.
Obama was born in Kenya he is a fraud.
No matter what proof is put forth, many of you will never believe it. But you are quick to believe…..he wasn’t born here, his grandma said so, some other person said so, he was a drug addict cause somebody said so, and so on.
I just read your post. Boy, how stupid you must feel now. I am so proud of our president. I am just laughing my ass off at all you ignorant , back woods, inbred, hillbillies and I’m white, very white all the way through. It just kills me to see all you bigots finally being shown for what you are. Oh, if you don’t remember me, I was the white guy that was disgusted by your comments everytime a black perons left the room. I think you are the ones saying you are “colorblind”!! Again, laughing at you fools.
I agree. You’re retarded. I agree with the fact that Obama shouldn’t be president. I also agree that with your language you have made your argument moot and are an embarassment to anyone who voted for him.
Typical of Left wing liberal hatered. Just can never be happy, unless degrading another human being. Just remember, this too will pass.
It will pass but not for another 7.5 years!!!! Liberal haters?? You must have secective memory if you forgot the past nazi administrastion that hated on anyone who didn’t kiss their lilly white ass. If you questioned or disagreed, you were not a true patriot. Like I said in my above post. I am laughing, laughing and laughing are you all pathetic excuses for hunmans.
It will pass but not for another 7.5 years!!!! Liberal haters?? You must have selective memory if you forgot the past nazi administrastion that hated on anyone who didn’t kiss their lilly white ass. If you questioned or disagreed, you were not a true patriot. Like I said in my above post. I am laughing, laughing and laughing are you all pathetic excuses for hunmans.
Obama Supporter, your comment is not only mindless, profane babble, but it is not unlike most other mindsets of those who support Obama, or the left wing in general. You clearly don’t have an argument or shed any light on the topic, you just spit out hateful and spiteful drivel. It’s so characteristic of someone of your political affiliation you to verbally bash someone with whose opinion you disagree, so I’m not surprised, just saddened. But then again, you probably just voted for Obama because it was the cool thing to do at the time without having much knowledge at all of his stances just like many of the others who voted for him.
The FACT remains that Obama has consistently denied the request to produce is actual certificate. The only thing that’s been produced is his certification, which is a re-creation of something that may or may not have been. If he was born in Hawaii, he should have no problem showing us that. Why isn’t he cooperating? It seems like he may not be a native-born American. Perhaps he is; but then why wouldn’t he just prove it?
The fact that he was elected and sworn into the presidency doesn’t prove that he was born in the United States either.
So unless YOU’RE ignorant, which you are, don’t post any more comments like these.
you lose.
Looks like Barack Obama is not a US Citizen afterall! Not a surprise, He was born in Kenya afterall. Not in Hawaii as most people believe. His “Certificate of Birth” is not a “Birth Certificate” There is a big difference.
Hawaii issues two documents one by the hospital (Certificate of Birth) issued by a Dr, validating a “live birth” it is in now way validating the location of the birth. It is just a DR stating the birth was complete and the child was alive. The child in this case was born in Kenya. The birth mother upon returning to Hawaii then filed for and recieved a “Certificate of Live Birth” Not Proof of Citizenship!!!!! There is NO “Birth Certificate” Obama should be removed from the Presidency ASAP. If there was a real Birth Certificate issued by the State of Hawaii Dept of Vital Statistics, it would have been shown!!!!
And you are Curly, so what?
Hey! I resemble that remark. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
RealChicken…Why do you have to make PERSONAL insults..if you have something to add to the conversation that makes sense or has facts..fine..but talking about LJ looks is immature and makes you look like a little kid being hyper from drinking all that extra sweet kool-aid!..LOL! Put your picture up and let us see you..oh..you can’t cause your REAL CHICKEN!!!
Here’s the modus operandi–if you don’t have anything of substance to say, resort to personal insults.
And Barry’s kids seldom have anything of substance to say. Much like their Fearless Leader.
It’s because most of them have the mentality and maturity of a 12-year-old.
Unfortunately for Obama, his army of 12-year-olds can’t pay his DNC bills.
rite on! the b.s. the libs give out is eaten up by the looney voters as the gospel. that has been going on since fdr.the proof in the pudding will be if the impersonater running for the office is elected, and all who voted for him will be to blame the first time one of those arabs straps on some whatever and walks into a building loaded with people some where in the states and sests if off. then let those voters look into a mirror and say that the impersonator didn’t say that would happen. smokey
Obama certainly can run for president. His mother is an American. He was born on US soil…this makes him an American. I’m shocked at the outlandish remarks from the right. But I guess you have to pull at something. Your candidate just chose the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history. I join Joel Goldstein (scholar of vice presidency) and presidential historian Matthew Dallek as we shake ourr heads at the calamity of the McCain Palin ticket. I still can’t get over the choice.
Well, interesting comment with one major flaw. We do not know if Barack Obama was born on U.S. soil since he is afraid to provide his birth certificate. therefore we do not know if he is qualified to run for president. I had to provide my birth certificate when I got my passport. Shouldn’t Barry do the same for running for the highest office in the land. Makes everyone wonder what he is hiding??
i am 57 years old and seen enough. in 63 kennedy was killed and the last of the centrist demmocrats died with him. check the history of the congress starting in 65. you will find the enactment of vast federal expeditures that had enslaved “progressives” to the state. Welfare is available now to every “able bodied american” Ask not what your country can do for you”… john never envisioned the nanny state we now shamlessly embrace. We are going to see double digit inflation very soon. Plant a big garden and get a big gun to gaurd it.
Please people, people, people, JUST DO your homework on the left wing lying,hiding,decieving, liberals (OBAMA/BIDEN) and then click right (Right) wing religious MCcain/Palin 2009, for PRESIDENT. (nobamaEVER)
wow your a hipacrit you talk about liberals being disceptive and untrustworthy but your just as bad as what you say about someone or something you really dont understand all your trying to do by saying that is brainwash people into thinking the way you do! eat it bitch
obama is not an American where is his birth certificate and why is he scared to reveal it, he is a liar, if u vote for this chump we’ll see some changes alright but for the worse how can anyone support this P.O.S.
yeah, the last 8 years have been great for our country. what a terrible time for change.
Inexperienced????? I guess a community organizer is more experienced than an executive!?!?
Well she still has more experience than Obama and she is a US citizen. Do we know that Obama was born on US soil? NO there is too much evidence saying he was not. Why wont he produce his original birth certificate? That is what you need to ask. And in Sarah’s defense, I would be scared to say anything that is scrutized and wrong no matter what. Even Katie kept saying what do you read – yah and then they would have knocked her for anything she read.
I agree with Butch. If it is that simple and Obama doesn’t have anything to hide, just produce the birth certificate and prove your eligibility. As for his being “tested” if he wins, I will just be one angry citizen if the US looks more foolish after the election while we are proving that we just electred someone who wasn’t even eligible to run.
well I am glad Obama won, but I find the birth cerificate unusual as well.. the ariel font was not available in 1961, I believe that only the old fashioned typewriters were used, but sometimes I think we need to look at the bigger picture.. some constitutuial ammendments need to be revised, to keep up with the changing world… as not to outcast anyone that may be qualified for different Government Office, but, that is just my opinion.
We still can’t get over the choice of Obama!!! for President…so back to you!
We can now call it the “Black House” instead of the White House. You should read the Washington Times editorial on Sunday 11-2-08 on page B1 and find out what kind of America we will have after Obama. This is the America that my grandchildren will be living in. You don’t have a clue as to what is going on in this United States and evidently you only care about his color, or his looks. Read some our Obama’s liberal newspapers and you might find a little truth in them to learn something. Obama wants change…..that’s all you will have left in your pocket when he’s finished. Besides making this country a socialist country bepending on the government for everything. Don’t you have any backbone at all…Government should take care of our country and keep it safe, states should take care of the state, and the PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE THEMSELVES. Try getting a job and feeling good about it, paying your own bills and not asking mom or dad or government to pay them. The government tries to supply all the toilet paper now, pretty soon they will be wiping your butt for you … that’s what Obama wants. Grow up.
have you been asleep for the last 8 years? the “conservative” busy/cheney administration has made the government larger and more powerful than ever before. that’s the opposite of people taking care of themselves. you’ll see how much better things are in 4 years.. but i’m sure you’ll deny it anyway.
These comments are being studied by a poli sci class. How ignorant rumors perpetuated by uneducated citizens are hilarious while scary that they are probably parents feeding idiocracy to the next generation. Gee, how did that sneaky guy pull a fast one and become president while not being legally eligible? Just go to factcheck or snopes. And then…… get a life.
Give me the proof he was born in America. Barry fights and blocks every attempt to prove it, he just can’t exert the painful effort it would take to present a real unaltered one. It wouldn’t take more than 10 minutes. He spends all his money and time in lawyereze calling people not in “right standing.” Check the forensic scientists’ reports.
When did this get so ugly. I am sorry, but as a former Hillary supporter I am saddened by recent posts by you and others like you. We are Americans, people are watching. Don’t you want to reclaim the respect and adoration that others held for us again. I want to be respected around the world, not plotted against. Senator Obama is the right choice for right now. Instead of making mean comments, go educate yourselves.
You are such an idiot. Respected around the world u say….HA. What a stupid position considering that many of our so called friends are nothing but friends. France?? Think again. France has nothing but stolen from billions of dollars from the U.S. channeling billions of dollars via the U.N. to their own country.
As a widely traveled individual and associated with U.S. govt. missions,,,you are very ignorant of what the real international facts. Let me guess,,you get your news from CNN, MSNBC, ABC….
Go watch Fox News. Oh and by the way
Fox-a symbol of cunning and trickery. They dont even try to deny the fact that they are propaganda in their own broadcasting name lawl. gg. Ron Paul 08
AMEN
let me guess.. you get your news from fox news.
Are you nuts!!!
I must dissagree, the only reason some might think that Obama is “The right choice for right now” is because he is of African decent, not because he was qualified for the job. Also, why hasn’t he produce his “Original Birth Certificate”? I would like to add, I Hate the term “African-American” America should come first. I wonder how other americans of “color” like Jamacans, Dominican Rep., Hatians, etc… feel to be automaticaly grouped in and referred to as African-Americans. Since my parents are decendants of Italy and Germany, I would like to be referred to as German-Italian-American.
obama’s “army” of new voters are far more in touch with today’s society than you, or your old, rich croneys who’ve run the show for far too long.
-26 year old white conservative independent
and I, as white woman, dont like those PERSONAL attacks!!!
Stop this nonsense!!!
realchicken~ you could only wish to have intelligence like Larry~ who cares about the hair~ his words are golden…
also , he has run his mouth for over 18 months & still has not said a word that you can believe
Realchicken, if a haircut is what determined your intelligence and ability toward success Donald Trump would be on welfare! I think maybe your hair is too tight!
Larry, I believe that element you refer to, “or a citizen of the United States,” is further clarified by the following, “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”.
Meaning that anyone of that era who was a citizen, a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted, but not born here, could be President. In other words they would be “grandfathered” into the eligible class.
The key is “a citizen at the time of adoption”. A very selective statement applying to all would had become citizens prior to the “natural born clause” being written, and the Constitution itself.
Would not apply once that body of citizens had died out. Would not apply to any one becoming a citizen AFTER the date of adoption.
Well, the practical purpose of that clause was to assure that there COULD be a President. You’ve got to remember that until the Constitution was officially adopted and ratified (by the necessary 9 of 13 states), there was NO United States of America. And if there were no country, there couldn’t be any citizens. (This is also the point invoked over Andrew Jackson’s being President. While most historians accept 1767 as the year of his birth, there is some doubt that he was actually born on American soil–claims range from his being born in one of the Carolinas or on the border between the two to having been born on a ship bound for the Americas to having been born in Ireland, from where both of his parents emigrated. As he was a “citizen of the United States at the time of adoption” of the Constitution–if nothing else, his service on the American side of the Revolution would have earned him that much.)
Prior to the adoption and ratification of the Constitution, there was no “United States” as we understand that notion today. There were 13 sovereign states which had formed a general alliance but maintained completely separate systems under the Articles of Confederation. The Articles did establish a “United States of America” but there’s not really any evidence that one was a CITIZEN of the “United States of America” or if one was a citizen of a particular state (such as being a Georgian, a New Yorker, a Virginian or whatever, rather than “an American”).
You are correct! Who can we give this information to?
I e-mailed Larry about this issue more than a week ago. I believe Obama is not eligible under the two parent rule of US citizenship. The INS has the best information on this issue and i don’t see how Obama is eligible.
Where is the media, the GOP, everyone on this issue? I don’t know of another President having this issue before.
Ummm. read Amendment XIV of the Constitution much? Everyone born in the US is a citizen at the time of birth, end of story.
Not exactly true.
Under the laws in effect at that time in Hawaii, where he claims to have been born, to be a citizen, a person must EITHER be born of two American parents (even if not born on American soil), OR have one American parent who lived within the United States for at least five years after their 16th birthday before the birth of the child. For him to be president, his mother had to be at least 21 when he was born. She was 18.
A state law that modifies an amendment of the Constitution? That would be what we call “unconstitutional.” Sorry, Amendment XIV prevails.
I can agree with your statement… states delegate laws that have no specific provisions in the federal gov’t… NOW… on to your candidate and his undeniable disdain for the 2nd amendment… unconstitutional…
all of this speculation would be put to rest if he would simply release his authentic bc. Doesn’t the FBI have to vet him? I mean no one is questioning that he is a citizen. But in order for him to run for POTUSA, he has to be “natural born “. There’s a new theory on the net and this has been written about by http://charliverse1.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-plan-for-fighting-gops-dirty.html
who, in turn got it from http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
In effect, the RNC has sent its operatives to Mombasa Kenya who were able to retrieve Baracks’s birth certificate there. They also had access to British intelligence information about Barack Sr. and information that an Arab Kenyan light-skinned woman is Barack’s mother, not Stanley Anne Durham. The RNC also claims to have a picture of Stanley in a bikini one month before Barry’s birthday. I have done an astrological analysis of the two charts both at 7:24 PM (one in Kenya and one in Honolulu).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr1GhSvuGcs
If the GOP has all this info and they can prove it, what do they intend to do about it ?????
Inquisitive minds would like to know.
You had me going there, right up until I read “astrological analyses”.
I did hear them discussing this on the news (PBS-”All Things Considered”) a couple days ago. Although they were not sure, it appears when he filed, he produced a US passport as proof of citizenship. IF he has a US passport, why did he need to supply a fake record of birth?
[WAIT, I just remembered - I believe, besides an original of your birth certificate or ROLB, that naturalization papers are also accepted for a passport. So they can check with the passport people to find out what papers were used for Barack "Barry" Hussein Obama Soetara.]
Oops, misspelled his Indonesean last name. Sorry, it should have read, “Soetoro”
I see a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. There is no signature on the document that I can see. All one has to do is go to the Honolulu county office register of documents it would seem. I think most birth certificates require a signature of an official and sometimes the county seal.
The submitted certificate of live birth has already been checked by a forensics expert and labeled a forgery. The question is why, and what, if anything, the government will do about it.
Since it is my contention that the elections are “fixed” anyway, whether he is a citizen or not, will not really matter. Whoever they want will be elected and if that is Obama, congress will pass a law retroactively that will allow him to hold the office.
That is what it boils down to.
Larry, you are reading the sentence wrong:
it reads:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.”
so unless Obama was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution or a natural born citizen, he is not eligible….
Please re-post this blog with this updated info!!
Also, Barack went to school in Indonesia, and you can’t go to school there without being an Indonesian citizen, so he would have had to trade his citizenship.
Which you can do until you are an adult!!! As long a your custodial parent is a citizen. I lived it!!!!!
The phrase, “or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the approval of this constitution” was inserted because many who were alive at the time of the document’s passage were actually born in other countries. Once all the original “citizens” not born in the US died, the previous clause in the sentence applied.
Well..and the Answer is….
The rule of law that applies to everyone else,,,does not apply to Democrats. Soo,,if Obama was born in France,,,it would not matter. AND,,you would find it hard to be reported by the main media. You got it…the main media CNN,MSNBC, ABC included are not to be trusted. DO NOT WATCH them.
This fact has been seen over and over again for the last twenty years.
Many examples to support that the Democrats do not have our country laws apply to them.
Indeed,,today’s Democrats are full of Deceit, Nonsense and Corruption.
To your question about Arnold. No he can’t be president. I’m not a lawyer, but its the phrase after “or a citizen of the United States,” that finishes the qualification. That is, “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”. Otherwise, George Washington and those to follow couldn’t have been president, as no one born in the U.S, would be of age 35.
Regarding the Hawaii state law, not sure how Hawaii state laws (given Hawaii became a state a 1959) could supercede federal law. I doubt they did. Anyway, his mom was a citizen which makes him a citizen. Haven’t heard anyone questioning his mom’s citizenship.
Did anyone notice the date of the paper in the bottom left corner 11/01 Laser.
So they got the year of the seal on top correct but they messed up on the bottom.
Hey anybody know when I get my “spread the wealth” check? I’m running low on OE 800 and pork rinds.
Ahh, your emperor has no clothes. “To each according to his need, from each according to his ability” Karl Marx 1875. “Spread the wealth” Barry Soetoro/Obama 2008.
To the 52% who voted for this Alinsky styled Marxist…I hope your ready for the worst four years of your life.
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Whoever posted the original article claiming it would open the door” to someone who is not a natural born citizen is wrong. You mis-interpreted this sentence. It basically means you have to be born in the US or you had to be a US citizen AT THE TIME THE CONSTITUTION WAS FORMED.
The rest of the statement is “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;
Many of the founding Fathers were not born in the US at that time thus they were exempt which would make sense but it only pretained to that instance of time, “The Adoption” No one since the Adoption who was not born in the US is eligible. Mike..
If Mr Obama is so rightious and transparent why not produce the document. I had to do it to get my son in ROTC. Mike…
I believe the requirement, that Ann Dunham be 21 in order to give birth to a ‘citizen’ will hold.
Additionally, in 1961 Barack Hussein Obama would not have been considered a US Citizen at the time of his birth. Citizenship was passed down by the Father.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/HAWAII/hawaii.html
Why does this law apply?
HAWAII is not a LEGALLY recognized STATE!
Well perhaps you’d better tell that to the two senators from that state and take away their electoral votes!
Hawaii is the 50th state. Still doesn’t mean Obama is a natural born citizen . . . thank goodness the founders realized there needed to be a way to only have America loving Presidents become 1/3 of our government.
THIS LAW WIL NOT HELP US
HI was a state- but this is a federal, not a state law. The law Larry is using only applies to childrenborn outside the United States- like McCain.
See here for an explanation:
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
However, if he were born in Kenya- then he is toast.
Seems clear to me. He was born in the US, Period.
Well isn’t that informative. But unfortunately it doesn’t clarify a damned thing. The law is VERY specific as it should be. And being born in the USA does not necessarily qualify someone for citizenship.
Actually, yes, being born in the USA does necessarily qualify someone for citizenship. However, I believe that McCain was bron in Panama. I wonder how the law applies in that case?
When McCain’s Panama birth was questioned earlier this year Congress IMMEDIATELY passed a law to make him qualified to be President. And, they would likely do the same for Obama if it was to turn out that he was born in Kenya.
When a child is born on an American military base outside of the US, that base is considered to be American soil. That is why we are able to fly our flag in that country on that base. So John McCain’s situation is different from Obama’s. This is not something new or done to accommodate McCain.
There is subsequent legislation written and passed to cover people like McCain, who were born to military folks, but outside the U.S. So McCain is legal.
This is from a lengthier discussion that was posted elsewhere on this topic, but am posting it here (cutting and pasting from someone else). It shows why McCain is a U.S. citizen:
In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from this section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.”
Being born in the US makes you an American citizen, immediately. There is nothing that you have to qualify for. Thousands of illegal aliens have children here, they are all born as American citizens.
I’ll belive that when Obambi produces a real and Certified Hawaii “Certificate of Natural Birth”
Compare the real certificate on my blog, http://nobho.blogspot.com, to the phony one on Obambi’s SMEAR site.
Check the information from the forensic expert that found Obama’s “birth certificate” to be a forgery.
The printing did not align with the border, as it would have if printed by an official government record, and while the fonts used were almost the same, the ‘kerning’ (stretching and compression) of letters was incorrect. Bottom line, someone typed up the information in a font they thought looked right to the eye and cut and pasted it onto a valid certificate background.
except those are the requirements for citizenship not the requirements of becoming President of the US
It IS the requirement to be president.
Here is a link to the appropriate section of the Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1
The fifth paragraph of Art.II-Sect.1 states:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
I’d normally say “you’re kidding”, but you sound too stupid to be kidding about such stuff. Regardless, Hawaii’s status as an American state is fait accompli, an established fact. While there is a strong case to be made regarding the sovereignty of the Hawaiian people, Leon Siu isn’t the guy to make it.
FYI, Siu is a colorful eccentric who two months ago led a small band of political malcontents in an attempt to re-occupy Iolani Palace in the name of the reconstituted Kingdom of Hawaii. Read his press release at the bottom of the link:
Does this sound like a guy you want to take seriously?
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii two years after statehood. His mother was a U.S. citizen. Ergo, Barack Obama is a citizen.
Case closed.
ANd how do you know obama was born in Hawaii and how do you know he was born there two years after it became a state?
Just produce a birth certificate and it can be settled.
Sir,
The relevant FEDERAL statute states that in order to claim derivative citizenship, the applicant must be able to claim one person who has been in the United States 5 years beyond the 14th birthday, which Mr. Obama cannot. See also U.S. v. Ortiz-Diaz, 849 F. Supp. 734 (E.D. Cal 1994)
The “case” is most certainly not closed.
Where did you get your law degree?
It’s elementary. Alaska and Hawaii were adopted as States, and that’s why we have 50 of them. Are you smarter than a fifth grader?
Obama doesn’t seem to be smarter than a fifth grader, believing that there are 57 states.
He said 57 states, and while that seems like merely a “boneheaded” remark. There ARE infact, 57 Islamic States.
Obama had a “slip of the tongue” at a recent rally, which was glossed over by the mainstream media. He said he had visited “57 States”. Watch the clip of him saying it and read the information – there are 57 States in the Organization of Islamic States. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/05/12/obamas-freudian-slip-there-are-57-islamic-states/ and also at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Islamic_Conference
Talk about a Freudian Slip! Personally, I don’t trust the bastard as far as I can throw him! And it has nothing to do with his color, but all to do with his hidden agendas and the Socialist and Communist influences he’s had in his life! Say NO to Socialism in America!
I thought it was 57 states and possibly one more? At least that’s what obama said.
Not true. Citizenship is not passed down by one’s father, not then, not ever.
Citizenship is based on having one parent who is a citizen or being born in the US.
And state law has nothing to do with whether you’re a US citizen.
LJ probably knows this and is just trying to spread another absurd rumor.
Hawaii was added as a state when again?
1959
Pres. Eisenhower signed the bill into law and Hawaii became a state Aug.21, 1959, if I remember correctly.
(I was a young teenager at the time, and still have a letter from President Eisenhower thanking me for my design of the 50-star flag.)
No at one time women who were US citizens LOST their US citizenship if they married a non citizen. A few of my female ancestors married immigrants — non citizens in the 18th century — in the census they are listed as born in American and they remained non-citizens until their husbands became citizens.
This law has been changed (I don’t remember the year the change went into effect).
Women a FEW rights — their fathers, brothers and/or husbands were similar to the legal guardians of women.
Marriages were recorded in Colonial times because marriage was a legal contract which involved real estate and movable estate/goods.
Until fairly recently in the last century women could not take out loans in their own names — they needed the PERMISSION of husbands, fathers and/or brothers.
THIS is one of the reasons why the ERA — Equal Rights amendment is so necessary.
But back to the subject — women who married non US citizens lost their citizenship until the husband became a Naturalized citizen.
Genealogists need to know the details of the laws recording RECORDS — because the process of gaining citizenship yields records.
In countries like the US and Europe humans leave a paper trail from birth through death.
Amazingly Obama seems to have been able to eradicate or hide a good part of his paper trail — so that we don’t have records and documents to judge the sort of person he really is.
Why is he so secretive? What is he hiding?
Obama Birth Lies
1) That Selma march got him born. Not true, you were trying to score points on civil rights grounds and made that up.
2) That the Kennedy family got him born. Not true, but it secured you the Ted Kennedy endorsement before the New York Times outed your fudging, and you were able to pretend you were a JFK reincarnation for awhile.
Other biographical lies: Uncle liberated Auschwitz. Untrue, you always tell an audience your biography matches theirs, you Huckster, Con Man, and Thief you.
Now, he seals up his birth certificate? Well, I’d say something is being hidden.
My certificate is straightforward and has been seen by many, his obviously isn’t or he’d have produced it by now.
Also…………something interesting is Farrakhan called Obama just like his “savior” because of his birth. Farrakhan’s “savior” had one half of his family born in Honolulu, even though he claimed to be black or Arab at different times.
In actuality, the Farrakhan “savior” seems to have been a guy who was half white, half Polynesian but preached a black/Islamic and ultimately crazy theology that went off the rails. Finally, he murdered someone and disappeared (some savior) and was watched and wanted by FBI for a very long time.
So, maybe Obama got in good with Farrakhan so quickly to become compared to his “savior” by pretending he was born in Honolulu?
It would be the fourth time we’d know of he’s done something like that, so it’s so much in character that we’d better look long and hard at whatever paperwork he produces.
He’s lied so much about his birth and life that he’s not to be taken at his word or paperwork on this one.
There is a lawsuit going forward…so that debunks your rumor theory..google that..and if the information is wrong..then there is a loophole we can not see or find..may I suggest that is why Larry Johnson ask for…Any lawyers out there?
Citizenship does not require any parents to be born in the US. The child has to be born in the US.
True but the Constitution requires it to be president.
Look at Article 2, Section 1, the fifth paragraph:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
There’s no age requirement for the mother.
We are speaking of Hawaii, a fairly young state, and the law as it pertained to Hawaii up until 1986.
States have ZERO say over who becomes a US citizen.
Obama’s mother was born in Kansas to two US born american citizens and was therefore a full-fledged citizen. Her child would be also regardless of who was the father.
I know you want to find a way to rule out Obama but you’ve got to do better than this!
This is not true……..unless his mother passed the test for citizenship at the time of Obama’s birth then it’s not automatic for him! Frankly from what I’ve seen his birth certificate is fraud! I too was born in Hawaii in the mid 60s and my birth certificate LOOKS NOTHING like the one he’s passing off as legitimate!
Can you show us yours (personal info redacted of course)?
The LA Times has his live birth certificate
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m
It would be good to know what was on your birth certificate. Can you tell us?
This is an official copy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate, as issued by the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii. The department does not issue facsimilies of the original document as a matter of state policy. Further, this copy would be embossed with the state seal to attest to its authenticity.
I don’t quite understand how an official copy of the birth certificate of someone born in 1961 could be produced on a form that was revised on 11/01. Does this mean that someone just took the more recently revised form and typed Obama’s alleged particulars on it? How does that make it “official.” Does anyone have his original birth certificate? A photostat of same?
No, the certificate that the Obama campaign submitted to the news media, is supposed to have been printed in JULY, 2006. However, read elsewhere the problems with the copy.
They did not submit an original or even a notarized copy, but a computer .jpg file, which was found to have had information simply cut and pasted onto a 2006 version of the background for a real certificate in the wrong font to have been done by the Hawaiian government.
She was born in Kansas…what sort of citizen test would she have to pass?
The Constitution rules, so in this case he is a US citizen.
Amendment XIV-
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It doesn’t matter if his parents were citizens. IT doesn’t matter what the statutes are. ANYONE born in the US is a citizen.
His parents were NOT both citizens. His father was a Kenyan citizen. He met Obama’s mother at college in Hawaii.
If Obama was born in the US (Hawaii) then he has a very good chance of being ratified as a citizen, even if his mother was under 21 at the time.
The PROBLEM is that since he submitted a fake certificate of live birth, then perhaps he is trying to hide something.
It leads people to immediately suspect that his parents had already moved to Kenya and Barack was born there, instead of it happening after he was born. Which would mean he is NOT a citizen of the US, until later ‘naturalized’.
If she was not in this country at the time of his birth, then he is not covered under the exemption for “natural born” citizenship, since her age was the determining factor, and his father was a foreigner. She needed to be 21, but was only 18 when he was born.
It’s his responsibility to show proof of citizenship, since that’s a constitutinal requirement to be President of the United States. If he can’t meet that requirement, he’s inelible to run. Period. So, he needs to pony up, dig out his original birth certificate and prove it.
As a genealogist, I hate these new state certificates of birth and death. That being said, I was a little amazed that he had posted a new copy of his birth certificate, not an older one, since most people need that from time-to-time to prove identity and he should have a copy of an older one. I have copies of both.
Where’s his birth certificate? No one else is sealing there’s. Also, see above for the reason Obama and birth lies are getting very numerous.
It will take a bit to learn where he was born, the last times bloggers and the New York Times had to Out the Lying Bugger.
If you are born inside the borders of the United States you enjoy U.S. citizenship. That has always been the case. The newborn would usually also have the citizenship of its parents, so it could be as many as three nationalities, but U.S. is definite.
Its nice to wish but grasping at straws doesn’t really help.
Citizenship has nothing to do with the ability to run for President. There is a differnt, higher, requirement in the Constitution.
Even if both of Obama’s parents were citizens, but he was born in Australia, he would not qualify.
This is a federal law, not a state law because states cannot determine citizenship. A
lso, this law only applies if O was born outside the US. I got excited too- but this law does not help us unless he was born in Kenya.
Perhaps the law in Hawaii was set up to make sure there was not an influx of “outsiders” claiming US citizenship soon after it became a state.
So, for example, because it was a new state, there was a law adopted specific for it that attempted to achieve this purpose. It would be important to read the legislative history of that law…to see the intent of the legislators.
If you’re born in the US, you’re a US citizen. It doesn’t matter who your parents are. It’s why some of the “I Hate Mexicans” politicians get so pissed off about the whole “anchor baby” business. Look at Alberto “I Went To Harvard Law, TOO” Gonzalez. His parents were illegals, he’s a US citizen.
Look at the hassles the Bush administration has had dealing with “terrists” who have US passports by virtue of being born in the USA.
I want to see BHO’s original–not a reissued copy–birth certificate because there’s SOMETHING on the original he doesn’t want us to see. Maybe his parents weren’t married (well, considering that Dad had four “wives” total, that could be, it’s not a big deal) and he’s embarrassed about that. Maybe his original name was different (how could it matter, really?)…but he’s hiding something, there. What it is, who knows?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/01/barackobama.uselections2008
From Wikipedia:
Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from the rule of jus soli, whereby any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship.[1] This status is unaffected by the legal status or the citizenship of that individual’s mother or father. Children born to foreign diplomats or to hostile enemy forces or born on U.S. territory while it is under the control of a foreign power are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and therefore are not citizens at birth.
Unfortunately his citizenship is a non-issue.
Except at one point someone thought his citizenship was Indonesian. . .was it?
I heard that a child was born in his father’s town in Kenya on the same day with the same name Barack Hussein Obama II. If Obama was born in Kenya then he is not eligible to be President.
Jesus Christ! Barack Obama was born in Honolulu. Both pparents were students at the University of Hawaii. That makes Obama a natural-born citizen.
That is a fact that is not subject to debate, except perhaps by a bunch of fuckin’ morons.
Since its not in doubt, lets just show the Birth Certificate then. We show it to stary school. get a driver’s license and to get a passport, but not to run for President?
Here it is.
This is a legally valid copy for public use. The Hawaii Department of Health does not issue xeroxed copies or facsimilies of original signed birth certificates as a matter of state policy.
No, that is the .jpg “copy” provided by the campaign. That has already been deemed a forgery by a forensic expert.
I am not going to repeat it all again, -just look it up. That is why everyone is wondering why he is on the ballot, if the copy has been shown to be a forgery.
Note at the bottom that it says “Any alterations invalidate this certificate” and the information is altered – cut and pasted onto another certificate.
” Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be “natural born” US citizen
By Reuven Koret June 24, 2008
The “birth certificate” claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
“An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama’s alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.”
“Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: ‘At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.’ And, she added, ‘In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.’”
For me, it doesn’t matter, Donald. I’m not voting for him anyway.
But the hospital in Honolulu has no record of his birth, and no one has been able to find any record of his parents’ marriage.
I couldn’t care less if he’s “illegitimat.” I don’t believe children are illegitimate, just parents.
But I DO care if his so-called “story of his life” is completely fabricated, or if it’s all just more of his LIES.
That speaks to character, and we GET to know.
Got that, Donald?
ok, i’m looking for an absolutely bi partisan answer to the question. this is a research project for me, devoid of emotion. it has nothing to do with how i vote in november. i just would like people to send me their opinions, complete with some sort of evidence. i can be reached at malkah1980@yahoo.com. thanks!
where’d ya hear that?
Is this current law or law in 1961 with respect to a newly formed state?
Wikipedia isn’t going to stand up to this court of law…….try a real source, not one Barky could have written, or you.
Hey Larry –
I believe what this paragraph..
No person except a natural born citizen, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President, etc.
..truly means is that at the time of writing the constitution, anyone who was a citizen at that time could be President, as there were many citizens who were not born in the country when the constitution was written.
The sentence does not pertain to “anyone” who is a citizen in the here and now.
Peace
Yep, I think that’s what it means. It would be clearer if they removed the comma, like this:
But they had different rules of punctuation then.
Also, this is from the XIV Amendment:
If Barack, Jr. was born in the United States, he’s automatically made a citizen regardless of the status of his parents.
1966 Act of November 6, 1966 (80 Stat. 1322), amended Section 301 (a) (7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 to read as follows:
“Section 301 (a) (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided*, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date.
I have no problem at all accepting that at least one of Barack’s parents was an alien.
I am fairly certain the Constitution doesn’t allow for Presidents that were born on another planet.
So, as far as U.S. (not Hawaiian but U.S. law goes, is this the technicality which might disqualify him because his mother’s residency does not meet the standard of at least 5 years after the age of fourteen? –
(quote)”….parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years…”(quote)
LOL that’s the issue though….. he can’t prove he was born in the USA! His birth certificate is a fraud (SO FAR) looks nothing like mine, and I too was born in Hawaii about the same time! Even Queens Memorial (where he was supposedly born) can’t verify it as true!
His mother registered him 2 days AFTER his birth.
That’s odd, really.
And incidentally, no one has been able to find a marriage certificate or any record of his parents’ marriage in Hawaii.
In Dreams for My Father, to me, Obama implies the vagueness of his parents marriage, that maybe they never married.
Has anyone ever tried to find divorce records so that she could marry Soetoro?
I’m convinced that it isn’t this. We are long over that hump. There are too many single women having babies now.
and if that’s his sole reason, he could release that document now and evoke a sympathy card over this and the kool aid crowd would eat that up.
Hie’s hiding the religious designation of Muslim on his CoB.
And only because he lied about it and can’t figure a way to spin it.
It opens the door for more questions: Did you ever practice? When did you stop? And this could mean more lies that could come back to haunt him if he continues lying.
He lied and can’t get out of it now!
In Hawaii you generally get the paperwork completed in the hospital and it is mailed to you several weeks later. If you look at any registered birth certificate you will see it has the birth date at the top and the last line is the registrar and the “accepted” date which is generally many weeks later.
In Obama’s case for some reason the mother after having a baby (after just two days—well actually less as he was born in the evening)went down town to the government offices, stood in line, in the middle of summer to registrar her son. Why?
Because, right after her new son Barack was born, she had this really big premonition that he was going to be President one day and just wanted to make sure the paperwork was in order.
Also, I believe that if you lose your birth certificate or it gets destroyed somehow, when you apply to the state the get a new one, they aren’t going to print it in the original format. They’re probly going to put it on modern paper and pattern and, oh my, maybe even print it on a laser printer. My birth certificate from 1981 was destroyed in 1998 and when I got a replacement, it was printed in the 1998 design and format and looked nothing like the one that was issued when I was born. Has anybody thought that maybe Barack lost it and applied for his replacement, just like many other Americans have done before?
I’m pretty sure that a man who raised hundreds of millions of dollars to become President would, along with his party 1) make sure that he was eligible to run, and 2) not fake a document that was needed to prove he was eligible, and if 2a) he were going to fake a document, make sure that it was done properly and beyond the scrutiny of the so called ‘forensic experts’ that are claiming what he has presented is fake, given all the millions he has at disposal.
Also people, i have a close friend who was born in France to two American parents and is a US citizen, naturally. If you are born a citizen, you are a natural citizen and eligible to be President.
Obama has held public office for many years now (in the Illinois State Senate and the United States Senate) and isn’t a citizen, but somehow gets to sit, passing laws? I’m not convinced.
Welcome to the 21st century. Note: in 1910 my gramma married,at 16 on July 10. She bore a child on August 12th of that same year. Do the math—”1st babies can come at any time—all the rest take 9 months.”
Probably because there’s no such thing as “Queens Memorial”. The name of the hospital is “The Queen’s Medical Center.”
Anyway, the record of his birth would not be at the hospital, but with the state. Here’s Obama’s birth certificate, courtesy of the L.A. Times.
your link isn’t working.
Snicker. That’s the same fake certificate they were circulating on dailyKurse
Yes, and with no notary seal or signature.
Notice that Donald doesn’t mention that.
This certificate Donald is saying is the “real thing” would not be accepted in applying for a passport.
Exactly. Too bad Barky, it’s natural born to avoid Manchurian and anti-American candidates. Thank God the founders thought of that.
It appears to be stating: or a citizen at the signing of the Constitution – ie, back then MANY were not born here but helped found the country. That appears to be the singular exception – and though barry often seems to get lost in time warps, this is indeed a LONG time since then.
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On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.
United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people.
In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. (The same is true of the Alaska plebiscite).
So, are you saying/implying that neither Obama OR Palin are US citizens?
Sarah Palin was born in Idaho which has been a state since 1890. She is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN unlike it seems Barack H Obama.
Larry, I’ve researched this. I don’t know who this Katherine is, but she’s a fool.
Federal law, not state law, determines United States citizenship. Obama was born on US soil, several years after Hawaii became a state.
That is that.
Even if we grant, hypothetically, the oft-heard (but absolutely un-proven) claim that Obama was actually born in Kenya, he is still a citizen.
The law you quote…
“If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”
…is NOT “Hawaiian state” law. These words come from the federal Immigration and Nationality Act as it read between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986.
The new law, 8 U.S.C. 1401, Sec. 301(g), reads:
“…a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years…”
Obama’s mother clearly qualifies.
Now, I know what you are going to say: “But that’s the NEW law! We have to go by the wording of the law in effect when Obama was born…”
Nope. Here’s the part of 8 U.S.C. 1401, Sec. 301(g) that everyone ignores:
“This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date”
Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen, and it does not matter if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Mars.
By all means, double-check my work. You know how to use Google.
On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.
United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people.
In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. (The same is true of the Alaska plebiscite).
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/HAWAII/hawaii.html
HAWAII is not a STATE therefore…
Very silly. Hawaii is a state. It elects people to sit in Congress, it pays taxes, it has electoral votes, we have 50 states and it is one of them.
Read the article.
If this goes before the Supreme Court how would they decide?
“United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people.”
Yes I also believe it is one of the 58 states.
LOL yeah I AGREE! Looking at the document he’s passing off as his birth certificate… I can tell you that is not a State of Hawaii birth certificate…. must be that he was part of some 58th State!
This is a legal copy of his birth certificate, as issued by the State of Hawaii. You haven’t a fucking clue as to what you’re talking about, and you’re simply full of shit.
Dude, you’re in Hawaii.. what are you so angry for?
That font was not available in 1961.
where are the signatures?
Go to your own county records clerk and order a copy of your own birth certificate. They will print a copy from the computer on the current offical form.
They will not pull your original signed birth certificate (if it even still exists) out of your file and copy it for you.
NO they won’t! In KY you have to order from the state capital, or drive there and get it. It looks very offical, stamp signed and all. I have 3 kids who needed theirs for school and I needed mine from Ohio. Birth certificates are important documents that you can’t get at the county clerk… the county clerk will be telling you to get it from the state for them when you need drivers liscenses and such!
Notice how you’re in KY. Every state does things differently.
Markos and Axelrod who faked everything from a tape of Clinton supporters using a racial epithet against Indiana voters, to the 2002 anti-war speech (total fake by Axelrod) cannot provide this legal requirement.
Nor can a blogger. This will have to go to court– see above for Obama’s history of lies about his birth (this would be his 4th and he had good reason to do it) or the fact that his mother may have traveled to falsely register her child. Also, the history of Obama’s team in producing false documents along with Obama’s many biographical lies (see above for just the ones pertaining to birth) are reasons why he is to be presumed lying again.
This will go to court.
If Barack Hussein Obama was born Kenya then he is Kenyan. If he was born on Mars then hes Martion. Only if hes born in The United States of America(Bases Included) Is he considered a Natural born US Citizen….
Nope. His mother was a citizen so he’s a citizen. And that’s true whether he was born in the US or not.
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”.
Not TRUE! Unless he was born on US SOIL……he’s not entitled to the right to be US President! Nothing I’ve seen so far proves that he was even born in Hawaii. Not even the hospital (Queens Memorial) in Honolulu can prove that he was…
This is the correct answer;
Unless he was born on US SOIL.
I am a natural born citizen, two of my siblings are naturalized. Only I could seek the office of POTUS.
In the same way…sorry about the example but… If a Mexican national has a child on US soil that child is a US citizen.
What passport was usedby BO to gain entry to Jakarta, Indonesia will answer this question.
Sorry to say, the laws have been different at different times, you have to look at the laws at the time of Barry’s birth.
Your info. is very helpful, but it does have to be the law at the time of the person’s birth.
Not true. IF O was born in Kenya, then he would not be a natural born citzen because he only has one parent that was a US citizen and she would not have met the age/residency requirements for the above federal law during the time of his birh.
You had it right earlier.
Can some intelligent Obama supporter please tell me why his father’s race is listed as AFRICAN, because that is his NATIONALITY.
His race was NEGRO!!
Sorry but obviously you and Gov. Palin seem to have taken the same geography lesson.
Kenya = country.
Africa = continent.
And, yes, African can be used as a race. I know several lovely Africans. They come from placed like Kenya, South Africa, Rwanda. The term ‘African’ is often used in the United States to denote race.
Barack Obama = African-American.
Dave Chappelle = African-American.
Dr. Martin Luther King = African-American.
stray exactly. A boy child was born in Kenya on the same day as Barack Hussein Obama II with the same name in the same town. Sounds like Obama should have run for the Kenyan Presidency.
You’re a fucking moron. Here’s Obama’s birth certificate.
we’ve been through this.
. The font was not available in 1961
. There is no signature
But that is a fake. If it were real, how could this: happen so easily?
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bofakeac6nq5.jpgPlease do a little more research and find out if Obama has dual citizenship because that could be another problem. Since his father was a Kenyan citizen and never a legal resident of the United States it is quite possible that he may have Kenyan citizenship also. There are several government sites regarding dual citizenship that plainly point out the conflict of interest and the responsibilities to the other country. I don’t think we want a president with divided loyalties which is why the requirement for president states emphatically “natural born Citizen“.
And I’ve checked the same sites as Joseph Cannon and there is much more legal information regarding the citizenship laws than he has quoted. I doubt anyone but an immigration lawyer would know for sure if Obama is or is not a citizen of the U. S. because Obama was born 1961 and Hawaii became a state in 1959.
I agree, an immigration lawyer needs to answer this.
But let me ask this, McCain had a similar controversy having been born in the Panama Canal Zone to American Parents. His father being in the military. If the people here are so cock sure that Obama is a citizen when his father was Kenyan, why was McCain’s birth called into question since both of his parents were American and his father was on active duty in the military? Didn’t Congress pass some kind of special Act for McCain? Why was that necessary?
Congress did nothing special for McCain. I do not know when the federal government addressed that issue, but for as long as I can remember, military bases have always been considered sovereigns for the purpose of determining citizenship.
Not true.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/legislation-int.html
Congress passed a special, non-binding resolution stating “Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.”
It was not necessary since the Panama Canal Zone was a U.S. Territory at the time of McCain’s birth (it reverted to Panama in 2000). Had he merely been born in a U.S. military base, the question would be somewhat different.
And I have to agree with the bloggers who suggest the actual place of birth is critical to the legitimacy of Obama’s ability to serve as (or even run for) POTUS.
he was born technically American soil, because it was a Naval Hospital.
Because being born on US Soil makes you Natural Born US Citizen. All US military bases and US Embassies I believe are considered “US Soil” and because both parents were US Citizens.
c.s. In other countries you can hold dual citizenship but the US does not recognize divided loyalties.
Also not true. Many Americans hold dual U.S./Canadian citizenship. One of my mother’s best friends is a U.S. citizen living in Ontario. She married a Canadian citizen, and their children are citizens of both nations. That being said, I am quite sure that they would not be eligible to run for POTUS.
I have duel citizenship and I am also a lawyer
so you might want to stop selling yourself short. 
You people have to remember the dates. All the new laws do not pertain to him. You cannot create a law to make something so. Everything is grandfathered in. Even with McCain. However McCain was born in a US territory so hes covered. The senate was going to pass something for him, however the Supreme court could strike it down if it so desired. AGAIN you cannot make a law to make something so. Well you can… but it is not legally constitutional. Checks and balances.
Yes, the United States, in fact, does recognize dual citizenship with many countries. Ask that of the many thousands of dual Canadian-American citizens (of which I know at least 20) and regularily cross the border without hassle or question of ‘divided loyalties.’
Obama DOES have dual citizenship with Kenya, as a result of their 1963 Constitution. Here is one link:
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
IF he was born in Kenya that raises another question in my mind. The British did allow Asian Sub-Continent citizens the additional privelege of British Ctizenship. For example, if you were born in India, prior to it becoming an independent country in 1949, you had Indian and British Citzenship.
What I do not know is if Britain did the same with it’s African colonies. Lawyers out there need to let us know if African Citizen also had British Citizenship under Colonial Rule.
If true, this means that Obama’s father had both Kenyan and British Citizenship. Under those type laws, if Brack was born Kenya in 1961, he would have both Kenyan and British Ctizenship.
So are you saying he could be president of the US as well as King of England(UK)?
Grin…
What I am still wondering about Obama is his “god-complex”… It is not a legal standpoint, but why does he call himself Allah (”the One”)?
Seriously, we don’t need to repeat the nightmare of of our last president with a foreign born parent (that would be Woodrow Wilson)
Comment by Ryan | 2008-06-17 05:44:50
Seriously, we don’t need to repeat the nightmare of of our last president with a foreign born parent (that would be Woodrow Wilson)
INteresting.. there’s more similiarties too..
They both claim to be “Progressives”… They’re both academic types.
Wilson had a nation-wide network of people who would commit violence against anyone who would get in Wilson’s way.
Obama doesn’t do this of course.. but he is affliated with Nation of Islam and i’m sure other groups that do do that sort of thing.
The Collectivist Left were the fascists of teh early 20th Century..We need to be alert.
woodrow wilson was born in Stanton virginiawhere are you getting this from?
Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen, and it does not matter if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Mars.
By all means, double-check my work. You know how to use Google
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Well if he was born in Kenya or Mars he is not a ‘natural born citizen’ though he may be a ‘citizen of the United States’ And you have to be a ‘natural born on US earth ” to be President.
There is a birth certificate in Mobassa Kenya for him and so far no legal one has shown up in Hawaii. He has to show a legal bc in America showing he was born in America and give it to the proper authorities for vetting and looks like he doesn’t want to do that – that, for me, speaks to the problem and rumours that he was born elsewhere, especially with the bc in Kenya.
The whole thing is like the Twilight Zone. This guy has no experience and is surrounded by thugs, terrorists and criminals… He tells lies with abandon. Totally inconceivable that he is where he is without some very mighty dollars behind him and from where? Look he has even had the DNC moved to Chicago…what the….is all that about?
Welcome to George Orwell’s world. It aint pretty.
That’s bullshit.
Courtesy of the Los Angeles Times, this is a legally valid copy as issued by the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii.
Donald “from Hawaii” – you’ve posted that link a zillion times. It’s not a birth certificate, and everyone appears to know it except you (which is curious, you being from Hawaii and all that).
Donald,
My husband took and engineering job out of college. Originally, the arrangement was that he would travel to a location and be home weekends.
After 6 months, we received a call from the company, at 4 Pm on a Friday afternoon, stating we needed to be in Green Bay Wisconsin the following Monday, and that plane resverations had been made for the 3 of us, myself, my husband and our young daughter for Sunday. We were told to bring copies of our birth certificates to the Air Port to get our tickets.
It was too late to go to city hall to get a copy of my daughter’s birth certificate. However, the administrative office of the hospital, where she was born, was able to provide us with a notarized copy the next day.
My daughter was born in 1968. So please explain to us why Queens Hospital or Medical Center is not able to produc a notarized or certified copy of Obama’s birth?
And that’s the point.
NOTARIZED copy.
What our Donald is posting as the “real” certificate is NOT notarized.
It’s what Axelrod gave Dkos to post on his blog.
NOT notarized.
BULL SHIT!!!!! Donald are you so blind that you can’t see that this is a fake…
Are you a court– no? Then once we unseal Obama’s records and prove their as inauthentic as the 2002 Anti-War speech that Axelrod “produced” because there were no copies, and nobody remembered it, then we’ll see.
Obama bots will never tell us when something is over, they’re known for lying.
Obama’s biography and personal statements have lied about 1) Selma march getting him born 2) Kennedy getting him born and 3) uncle freeing Auschwitz.
Unfortunately, Obama has a history of lying about his biography. His word is to be expected to be a lie at this point.
Too bad for him the U.S. Constitution is not the Oprah Book Club.
Didn’t he get Alice Palmer out on a technicality?
Hmmmm…. as was done by Barack, shall be done unto Barack.
ck this out…..
http://www.hcsfjm.com/sowell.html
Somebody needs to help that guy with that website. It’s carnivalesque. Is that a word? When I saw it I winced. The flashing stuff was seizure quality, I see that’s gone but the lettering that replaces it is grotesque. The site is almost National Inquirer in first impression. The concept of Less Is More would help. I am sure he means well but that site needs better taste in its format to be taken seriously. Just a suggestion.
…running and hiding.
Where did his birth actually take place? I thought it was in Indonesia, in which case he was not born on US soil, which would open the way for the other questions raised (age of his mother).
If he was born on US soil, those other things may be non-issues.
Where was he born?
Whatever the answer, he has to be pushed to release his birth certificate. It’s a basic requirement.
Ahhhh,
All is right with the world. The Lakers won. Tiger makes a beautiful putt on 18 for birdie and all the NQ folks are STILL grasping at straws.
Life is GRAND
Good Old Chauncey here!
Yeah.. here to call it as I see it, folly at it’s best. Amusing at times, perplexing most. Unending blind followers once the bitter end as come and gone. I suspect in January ‘09 you’ll still be trying to elect Hill, calling the General Election and invalid Unconstitutional fraud. Good luck with that.
He was not born in Indonesia – his mother did not marry and Indonesian man or move there until Obama was in grade school. he was born in Hawaii, he is a US citizen and Hawaii does NOT release birth records of its residents under many circumstances….hence, this rumor that he would not release his birth certificate started.
Bull…his birth certificate is being questioned. It has no authentic embossment and they can find no record of his birth in hospital. We demand to see both. The Dr. attending his birth and etc. Just like all the rest of us authentic Americans have.
You act as though this cannot be questioned. Yet, the Obama camp purused John McCain’s birth issue. That would be the Obama camp as represented by the DNC or some other lame supporter.
It doesn’t matter where he was born. If you went overseas and gave birth, your kid would be a citizen as long as you are a citizen.
I have a friend who gave birth in Germany. Her son is a citizen because she (the mom) is a citizen.
Natural born, only citizens at founding were enough.
Arnold Swarzenneger is a citizen, this law is to keep us from having anti-American Manchurian candidates. Wise move.
Natural born.
democrat — a citizen yes but not a natural born citizen. Its not good enought to be President of the United States.
well considering the birth certificate he thinks is passing off as from the State of Hawaii…. (WHICH IS NOT) ask the person who found his birth notice in Kenya! LOL
They could have celebrated his birth in Kenya even if it took place in the US. Africans in general are very pro-life.
But isn’t there a way to discover if his mother ever traveled to Kenya? Gosh didn’t these people have any friends? They’re a solitary/inuslar bunch.
Yeah, she would have had to have gone there on a passport. I don’t know how far back passport records go, but if she went, it may be documented.
I think Obama was born in a manger because there was no room at the inn. The manger however, was in Kenya — and he cannot be president.
ROFLMAO!
Well, he does use the nickname, Allah (the One), so maybe you have something there.
I read somewhere that some people do consider him the second coming of Christ.
But here’s the question, Mimi…..there are no marriage records found for Obama’s parents. And his father was already married in Kenya, so on our soil, his marriage to Obama’s mother was null and void, as bigamy.
Perhaps he’s a citizen, yes.
But perhaps….what he’s HIDING is that his parents were never really married.
I don’t think people care about that these days. And it’s already been discussed about his father’s wives.
It’s the Religion he’s hiding. And because he lied about it when he didn’t have to. Babies can’t control what their parents put on their Birth Certificates.
But he chose to LIE.
And there’s the rub.
I think you’ve nailed it, Mimi. It’s the religion he’s hiding (not his fault as a baby), and the “passport breach” was to remove any copies of birth certificate that could be found and published.
It’s a public relations issue for him.
He LIED, and he never really needed to.
Damm , you’re smart.
His mother, I would think would have had to provide some type of documents to travel to Kenya. The British have long been sticklers for records.
At that time (1961) there were not that many airline carriers traveling to Africa. Hawaii, at the time had only 1 major airport.
For someone local, it should not be that hard to check airline carriers at the time, and see if a Stanley Ann Dunham was a passenger to Africa in 1961
He does have dual citizenship….
Ok maybe there is nothing to this all but I think the DNC needs to SLOW DOWN …..
I this—-I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter).
Puget, was your name hijacked a couple of days ago?
I meant to say—I love this—I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter).
He is a citizen by all legal rights as stated above. He is eligible to be President, which is not to say that he is qualified to lead the country!!
Why is he running for President at this point in his career? Is it because he thought he could beat a woman? I dont get it — if he were so great, he could have waited his turn and done some apprenticeship, to prove his ability to the American people. I am mostly opposed to his inexperience.
Lincoln had far less experience than Obama.
With all due respect to the late great President Lincoln, the world we live in today is far more dangerous and complicated than it was during his presidency. One needs MORE experience today in order to deal with the complexities one is faced with as POTUS. I highly doubt that we would find President Lincoln electable at all considering what is demanded of one in that office. This is obviously a ridiculous argument when given realistic comparison.
Yes, because Lincoln had it SO easy . . . I mean, it was just a petty little civil war.
The world is a heck of a lot more complex than it was back then.
Look at education. Your average high school graduate knows more now than university graduates in Lincoln’s time. It’s called progress.
NOt really.
Our average high school graduates actually know LESS than university grads in Lincoln’s day knew.
NOt really.
Our average high school graduates actually know LESS than university grads in Lincoln’s day knew.
WE get this BS every other day — at least.
These Obamabots can’t keep up with the truth — so they make up garbage as they go along.
Obamabots are liars just like their messiah.
No kidding! I am so sick of these lite thinkers throwing out the erroneous “Lincoln was inexperienced” crap. Don’t they make you study history in school anymore? Used to be the life of great Americans like Lincoln and Washington was required reading. Can’t they at least watch the History Channel Or at least acknowledge the fact that we have read a biography? Get a real argument!
You’re wrong — Linclon had three times the experience of Obama when he ran for President.
Stop repeating these erroneous talking points.
Go check Wiki if you missed grade school history.
LOL! So this makes Obama experienced?
IMPORTANT….I AM TRYING TO FIND THIS PETITION….I got this reply to a post I had made …Pass it along to all you know…I don’t know why no dems have signed this…but if it is true we must contact our rep and tell them to get on board
Message:
remember to get out and tell people to call write congress, to get them to sign the petition for broadcaster act, mike fence has , he only needs 20 sig, no dem has signed it…its very important for our freedom of speech, they are trying to stop our choice of tv, and radio, and soon the net! this is urgent, so he can bring to the floor, the fairness doctrine is not fair it will allow any president to select what we can listen to or talk about…we know what selectiveness can lead to! the dnc has showed us that first hand! so have the environmentalists! remember obama wishes the prices didnt go up so fast! he wishes it was a slower increase, it caused to much attention to them, im sure they didnt plan that. the scheme to keep us paying the middle east our money and not using our resources, the ethanol scheme, will make many who are already hungry much worse off, those wonderful global greenies!
Commerce Clause ruling.
the 14th admendment gave natural citizen for anyone who was born on American soil because of slavery. That is because before 1865 the slaves were not considered citizens. That is why if you are born here then you are a citizen.
State law doesn’t govern citizenship.
The Constitution does.
The constitution just gives the framework. Legislative law provides the details.
The law can’t contradict the Constitution. That dates back to the 1803 Marbury v. Madison case.
Marbury VS madison gives the supreme court the power of judicial review. The supreme court is perfectly capable of ruling that the law trumps the constitution. In 2000 the election should have gone to the house per the constitution but the supreme court ruled the law of safe harbor to precedence.
Uh, Wild Child…..your compound sentences in a complete paragraph expressing a cogent and erudite thought, is WAAAAAAYY too hard for Democrat to understand.
Well said, and correct, though.
Legislation does not trump the Constitution. That’s basic law 101 that any partisans on either side of the Clinton/Obama divide who are attorneys learned in their 1st 30 minutes of law school.
US citizenship is a federal issue, governed by the Constitution and applicable federal law. Obama is a citizen.
Because his father was an alien, at the time of his birth his mother would have had to be a resident of the US for ten years, five of which occurred after the age of 14. He was born when she was 18. That’s less than five years.
NO- this law only applies if O was not born on US soil.
read the 14th amendment:
everyone born within the jurisdiction of the united states is a citizen, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. no state or federal law can preempt the constitution.
hawaii is one of the states, and has been since 1959. therefore, anyone born in hawaii in 1961 is a united states citizen.
the residency requirements apply only to children born to american citizens NOT born within the borders of the united states.
We know that and agree. The question is regarding WHERE he was born. He has not produced a valid NOTARIZED copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate. So where WAS he born and why doesn’t he release his real birth certificate?
No. The federal government has jurisdiction over ALL matters relating to citizenship. No state can make any law in this area.
The Immigration and Nationality Act is the applicable law.
Sec. 305.[8 U.S.C. 1405] A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Obama is a citizen.
Following WW2, Hawaii was placed on the list of non self-governing territories by the United Nations, with the United States as trustee, under Article 73. Under Article 73 of the UN charter, the status of a territory can only be changed by a special vote, called a plebiscite, held among the inhabitants of the territory. That plebiscite is required to have three choices on the ballot. The first choice is to become a part of the trustee nation. In Hawaii’s case that meant to become a state. The second choice was to remain a territory. And the third choice, required by article 73 of the UN Charter, was the option for independence. For Hawaii, that meant no longer being a territory of the United States and returning to being an independent sovereign nation.
Hawaiian Sovereigncy would negate Sec. 305.[8 U.S.C. 1405]
Hawaii was NOT given the third choice.
I KNOW because I lived in Hawaii when it became a state. The Native Hawaiians were NOT happy — and still are not happy with this illegal vote.
Like I said earlier….from what he tries to pass of as his test of citizenship…. I wouldn’t put money on it! LOL! That so called document is NOT a legitimate State of Hawaii birth cerfiticate! How do I know? I too have one from about that time … I was also born in Hawaii…and what he’s trying to pass off is NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUED IN HAWAII! Another fraud move on his part! I’m SHOCKED! LOL!
It’s pretty obvious that his parents weren’t married when he was born, and mostly no one gives a rip about that any more. Speculation will only grow as to what else he’s trying to hide.
Stanley’s little mistake needs to release his REAL birth certificate, pronto.
His mother is a citizen so he is a citizen.
Not TRUE as far as the rules for President are concerned!
Barry Dunham would not have the same cachet.
I think you’re right.
No marriage records have ever been found.
Besides, his father was already married. By our laws, on our soil, any ceremony with his mom would be null and void.
We don’t recognize concurrent marriages here.
Oh, holier than thou,there are some Mormons who might disagree with you.
When people run for president, don’t they have to present documents that prove that they are eligible?
If so, who do they present them too?
I would think someone would be in charge.
But, in this election, it seems that no one is in charge, because Obama gets away with everything.
I would also like to know just what exactly does the FEC do besides petitions and money monitors.
As frustrating as the MI and FL voting was, and as dysfunctional, and what seemed to be unconstitutional, you would have thought the FEC would have played a role some how.
The people have the right to have fair representation of their vote.
I am off topic a little or a lot, but again, who does the candidate present his or her birth certificate or proof of citizenship to?
I do not know the answer………
it has been posted. Here is a copy of it.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Now that’s funny.
Not that I am aware of.
Another anomaly is that they do not have to have, nor qualify for, even a secret security clearance, much less top-secret.
And…as I understand it, given the guidelines under which I was repeatedly checked for the original and renewals, Ayers alone would disqualify Obama, as would any false information about his life, and or travels.
This approach of continually throwing stuff at the wall to see what will stick is entertaining, but generally a waste of time. Issue-based debate is healthy, but “gee, if only this were true, then that would be true” doesn’t convince anyone other than the already convinced. Just sayin…
Obama is corrupt.
It stuck, mkay?
Very good. You must have been on your college debate team, yes?
So, when’s he going to start debating issues? Didn’t seem to know “the issues” while running his dirty campaign against the honorable Sen. Clinton. What’s he going to do now–how’s he going to come up with “the issues?”
And FYI, hope and change aren’t real issues.
Well I don’t give a damn where this nutwinger was born, to me he’s no American.
DIAF
OKAY FOLKS….WRITE OR CALL YOU REPRESENTATIVES…FROM WHAT I READ THIS IS BASICALLY A BILL WHERE THE GOVERMENT CONTROLS WHO IS ON THE AIRWAVES…THIS IS IMPORTANT…HE IS A LINE I TOOK OUT OF ARICLE….THIS ALSO IS A BILL TO BASICALLY SHUT DOWN TALK RADIO
QUOTE:
“The Broadcaster Freedom Act would ensure that no future president could regulate the airwaves of America without an act of Congress but it has yet to be scheduled for a vote.
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT TELL CONGRESSMEN THAT ABOUT ///ENDORSE OBAMA..YOU GET NO VOTE
ABOUT BIRTH CERTIFICATE….ACCORDING TO A STANDFORD LAW PROFESSOR WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN “BOTH” OF HIS PARENTS HAD TO BE AMERICAN, PLUS THE HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAD NO RECORD OF HIS MOTHER HAING HIM THERE. RUMOR IS HE WAS BORN AND KENYA AND HIS MOTHER FLEW BACK AND THEN DAYS LATER WENT TO HOSPITAL. READ ALL ABOUT IT ON HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR JOHN MCCAIN…..ARTICLE IS ON FRONT PAGE OF SITE…www,hcsfjm.com
SORRY…TYPING TOO FAST…SHOULD SAY THE HOSPITAL SHOWS NOT RECORD OF HIS MOTHER HAVING HIM THERE, HE WAS BROUGHT IN DAYS LATER..THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO DOCTOR’S NAME ON IT
Are you talking about the piece by Thomas Sowell on that site? He’s not a Stanford law professor. He isn’t even a lawyer, according to his own bio:
http://www.tsowell.com/cv.html
You really ought to scrutinize your sources, before grasping at straws like this.
Question still stands, why won’t Bambi produce a real birth certificate and not some graphic designed one that isn’t worth a damn?
Compare here the phoney vs the real one:
http://obamafact.blogspot.com/2008/06/lies-deception-and-who-is-fool.html
All Bambi needs do is produce the real Certificate of Live Birth and put this issue to rest, question is, why won’t he?
THE QUESTION IS WONT BAMBI PRODUCE A VALID LEGITIMATE AND TRUE TEST OF A BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY THE STATE OF HAWAII! The one he is ….IS NOT! I know ….I have one too from the State of Hawaii from the mid 60’s! Not even Queens Memorial (where he says he was born) can verify it!
Ok then just produce the birth certificate with all the vital information—Hospital name, doctors name and etc.
I have been listening to too many many lies from this guy. Maybe this is a rumor, but his track record is not good.
“Barack’s mother registered his birth a few days after he was born. She listed the hospital in Hawaii where he was supposedly born.
That hospital has no record that his mother was there. This has fueled speculation that Barack was actually born in Kenya, and that his parents rushed back to the United States to register his birth fraudulently so that Barack would be able to enjoy life as a US citizen.” http://www.hcsfjm.com/sowell.html
If the above is true then there is a problem.
When Obama was born; home births did not happen, especially to an 18 year old, and in Hawaii.
Yes they did happen in 3rd world countries like Kenya.
I guess the stakes are going up—I’d like to see Obama’s regular birth certificate and his mother’s passport in reference to her travels around the time of his birth.
If she traveled to Kenya within one of two months prior to Obama’s birth then it is very likely she wasnt allowed back on a plane until after.
Back then they were Very strict about women traveling in their 7th, 8th and 9th months on planes.
Home births happen now, as they happened then. So do hospital parking lot births, and taxi cab births.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. Supreme law of the land. If Hawaii was part of the United States when Obama was born there, end of story – on that point, Hawaii’s state law is irrelevant. And anyone who has ever studied Civil War or civil rights history should have no problem understanding why.
That part of the 14th Amendment even makes children of unauthorized immigrants “natural-born citizens,” if they are born on U.S. soil. It has led to some controversy in the immigration policy context, because some people allege that parents cross illegally to deliver “anchor babies.” Being natural-born citizens, such babies can never be deported, and – the argument goes – DHS usually leaves the parents alone as well.
As far as a lawsuit, well, anyone can file a federal complaint. On the other hand, any federal judge can impose sanctions for frivolous filings.
DHS has nothing to do with deportation orders. It doesn’t matter if the parents are parents of a US citizen.
The US citizen child cannot be deported, but the parents can and will normally take their child with them if they are deported.
The alien parents are free, of course, to leave their citizen child with relatives in the US.
Once the child is a certain age (18?), he/she can petition to have the parents granted legal immigration status based on relationship to a citizen. Even that scenario can entail a lengthy wait.
DHS (through its Bureau of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, which used to be housed in DOJ as part of the INS) “has nothing to do with” orders of removal?
Who, then, do you think initiates & pursues proceedings, or carries out removal orders – or, in the case of expedited removal, handles everything?
This is getting way off the subject at hand, but since you threw it out there, please kindly enlighten me. My point was that in the case of anchor babies, DHS can deport the parents, but they may exercise what any immigration lawyer knows is called “prosecutorial discretion.”
FYI, the age requirement you mention, for immediate relative visas, is 21.
Is there any evidence that he was actually born to Ms Dunham?
In fact was he ever born? Maybe he descended on a sunbeam.
No, seriously,
He doesn’t look biracial to me.
Has anyone checked DNA analysis between him and his typical white grandmother?
Boy they must be really worried out there in the nobama camp. They have sent a whole lot of nobama lawyer trolls here to convince us to drop the issue.
Where is the dang birth certificate? If you are so sure of the points of the law why don’t you produce it?
The obamatrolls post here all the time asking larry to produce the tape which he has said a thousand times he does not have.
No isnobama claiming to never have seen his birth certificate.
PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
Here is the link to the birth certificate. Obama has posted it. Case closed.
ROTFLMAO! That is NOT the BC from the hospital. It is NOT the original. Where’s the ORIGINAL? I have MY original BC. Where’s his? He’s hiding something. That’s why he won’t release his original BC.
Since when is “African” a race, Donald?
Again—-I am the mom of a MULTI racial child SO HAVE BTDT TOO MANY TIMES TO BOTHER COUNTING.—–please refer to her and all others as a member of the HUMAN RACE!!!!! I think that is a basic requirement to be the president—making a monkey out of you for these ridiculous opinions and comments and therefore,thank goodnesss, ineligible!
Hi there. I’m a lawyer. (Graduate of Yale Law School, for what it’s worth, just like Hillary and Bill.) I’m a Hillary supporter, can’t stomach Obama, am currently planning to vote for McCain. BUT — sorry, gang: Obama is indeed a citizen. He’s not a Muslim, either. To be honest, I think people should stop beating those particular drums. There are plenty of reasons the man shouldn’t be president. I really think it’s better to focus on the man’s flaws, his dodgy associates and his inexperience rather than grasping at the citizenship and religion straws.
BUT — sorry, gang: Obama is indeed a citizen. He’s not a Muslim, either.
and in a court of law you can prove this because?
Sorry MEL! So far what Obama has produced as ACCURATE info (documents) regarding his birth ….ARE NOT! that is NOT a birth certificate from Hawaii! I can show you what is A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE issued in Hawaii in the mid 60’s …what he produces is NOT! AGAIN, the hospital he claims he was born can’t even verify it! LOL! GO FIGURE!
AND AS TO YOUR MUSLIM QUESTION! OBAMA IS MUSLIM! His father was MUSLIM and according to MUSLIM law this makes OBAMA automatically MUSLIM! The same as a child born to a Jewish woman…automatically a Jew!
cott, did you or do you know in Hawaii, you can file what is known as a late birth claim?
All it takes is someone to verify you are who and what you say you are and the original birth certificate is labelled a Late Certificate of Live Birth. But you ask for the computer generated certificate, you get the one Bambi is showing off.
So it is based upon the truthfulness of the people signing an afficavit stating such, and we all know how trust worthy Bambi and his people are.
So if his original is a Late Certificate of Birth, then he could have been born anywhere on the planet and does not give absolute proof he was born in the USA, or Hawaii.
Then all anyone has is Bambi’s word on a sworn document……lol
“AND AS TO YOUR MUSLIM QUESTION! OBAMA IS MUSLIM! His father was MUSLIM and according to MUSLIM law this makes OBAMA automatically MUSLIM!”
You obviously know nothing about Islam, or the various schools of jurisprudence lumped under the term Sharia (Hanafi? Hambali? etc…)
here’s some schooling for you: http://religiondispatches.org/Gui/Content.aspx?Page=AR&Id=272&SP=1
However, let’s imagine that it is the case that mainstream Islamic belief is that all children of Moslem fathers are Moslem (fact is, though, it’s not true). Is Sharia the law of the US? Are you saying Obama was not free to pick his faith? If so, that’s not very American of you.
Mr. lawyer,
Are we to take your word then that he is not a muslim either. because you say you went to yale? Is that a legal matter in the code now?
It is not a matter whether he is a muslim or not, it is that HE LIED for political expediency that he was NEVER a muslim. And there is plenty evidence that he was during his early years.
Perhaps that was not the barry that he knew. We don’t care.
We do not like liars. We want to know.
Actually I think you are one of the trolls.
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”.
I think the Framers and Founders understood the possible conflict of interest.
Question, A Lawyer:
If Obama claims his parents were married, but we now know that his father was already married to his 1st wife in Kenya at the time (his Mom 2nd concurrent wife…as in bigamy), wouldn’t any marriage to his Mom, by our law, be null and void?
Not saying he’s not a citizen.
Just saying that his parents’ “marriage” wasn’t valid by our law.
Correct, or not?
Question, A Lawyer:
If Obama claims his parents were married, but we now know that his father was already married to his 1st wife in Kenya at the time (his Mom 2nd concurrent wife…as in bigamy), wouldn’t any marriage to his Mom, by our law, be null and void?
Not saying he’s not a citizen.
Just saying that his parents’ “marriage” wasn’t valid by our law.
Correct, or not?
I am not a lawyer. However, this depends on HI state law at the time. If O’s mother and father had a wedding, registered it, AND the mother did not know about the first wife and no divorce, then the “marriage” of O’s parents is not automatically void.
The wife could be seen as a putative spouse- that means that she would have been afforded the protections of family court in a dissolution.
If she had Obama when she was 18, does that mean she was under-aged at the time of conception? Anyone know the laws of Hawaii as it applies to such marriages. Would she have had to get consent from her parents?
Also I believe that according to Kenyan law, Obama is a dual citizen. Doesn’t that immediately disqualify him for POTUSA? Doesn’t he have to renounce his Kenyan citizenship? I believe he was in Kenya (2006) campaigning for his cousin,
Raila Odingo who is a Muslim-Marxist. I might ad a rather radical Muslim extremist.
@ Bobbi you are a moron of the highest order..
Raila Odinga is such a Muslim-Marxist that the US government invited him over to sign two new agreements with the US on Jun 18th…
Raila in washington DC yesterday(Jun 18th). Notice that Wolfowitz was in attendance..(video link below)…kind of makes your argument fall flat on its face.
http://media.csis.org/csistv/?080617_kenya
Mary — what kind of dipchit was Obama’s mom to marry a guy with another wife. Could it be that Obama was the product of a one night stand.
It would seem to me that Kenya is the place to check because what difference would it have made to his mother whether he was considered Kenyan or American. She had no way of knowing that he would run for President. Obama is freaking out now because he knows he has a natural born citizenship problem would make him ineligible to run for the Presidency.
Obama’s father didn’t TELL his mother or her parents that he was already married. She didn’t know.
But she never told Obama that as a boy.
He found that out when he visited Africa after his father’s death.
For heavens sake—have you no spine. Children cannot pick their parents!!! Married or not the illegals here are the parents not the offspring. Welcome to the 21st century!!!
And how do you know this to be true? Have you seen his original Birth Certificate?
The point is that he was born a Muslim (Kenyan father), and as a boy in Indonesia (living with his Muslim stepfather) went to school as a Muslim, studied the Koran, went to the Mosque (admitted in his own autobiography); there are pictures of him as old as 24 years of age in Muslim garb with his half brother, also a Muslim (who happened to mention when interviewed last week that Barack was a Muslim). Now, OB flat out denies that he EVER was a Muslim – that’s a lie! It’s the cover up!
“The point is that he was born a Muslim (Kenyan father), and as a boy in Indonesia (living with his Muslim stepfather) went to school as a Muslim, studied the Koran, went to the Mosque (admitted in his own autobiography); there are pictures of him as old as 24 years of age in Muslim garb with his half brother, also a Muslim (who happened to mention when interviewed last week that Barack was a Muslim). Now, OB flat out denies that he EVER was a Muslim – that’s a lie! It’s the cover up!”
Where to begin?
1. There’s no such thing as being born Moslem. You pick your faith.
2. In Indonesia he went to two schools: Sekolah Dasar Negeri (”National Elementary School”) Menteng (Menteng is a jakarta neighborhood) #1 (it’s old name is SDN Besuki, named after an Indonesian independence hero). This is a secular state school that had and has Moslem, Christian and Buddhist children enrolled. He earlier attended SD Franciscus Assisi, an elementary school named for the Catholic saint. He was indeed listed on the paperwork as a Moslem here — a matter of convenience since that was the official religion of his stepfather.
3. I’ve studied the Koran. Does that make me a Moslem? At any rate, he may have read passages as a young man, but that does not make him a Moslem.
4. There is no such thing as “Muslim garb.” But what if there were? He adopted local dress as a courtesy on a visit to distant relatives. Is every woman who ever wore a head scarf a Moslem?
All he has to do is show his birth certificate (and I don’t mean the one that’s on Kos)…well barry, we’re waiting.
that piece of paper Bambi posted on his website, according to Hawaiian law, isn’t even good enough to buy Barry a house, and he thinks it will get him clearance to the White House?
I still think he’s hiding the space on the original Certificate of Birth designated for Religion. In this day and time he would not be hiding that his parents weren’t married. Jessie Jackson was the product of and unmarried single mother and no one made an issue of it back in 1988. (And please don’t give me “the nobody took his candidacy seriously” bullshit, he had more delegates than Ted Kennedy in 1980).
This is the post-Murphy Brown era. Besides, it would give Obama street creds if his parents weren’t married. Nothing he likes better.
It’s the Religion he’s hiding. And why? Because he lied about it!!! If he had simply told the truth he wouldn’t be penalized because children don’t have autonomy for such things.
Now he would be penalized for lying, especially because it ain’t the first lie he’s been caught in.
Probably right, Mimi.
He’s not a Muslim. Not now. Saying he is, is foolish tripe.
But if his birth certificate, by paternal right, says he was born a Muslim, then it doesn’t cause religious problems.
It causes PUBLIC RELATIONS problems.
Comment by A Lawyer | 2008-06-16 00:00:10
Hi there. I’m a lawyer. (Graduate of Yale Law School, for what it’s worth, just like Hillary and Bill.) I’m a Hillary supporter, can’t stomach Obama, am currently planning to vote for McCain. BUT — sorry, gang: Obama is indeed a citizen. He’s not a Muslim, either. To be honest, I think people should stop beating those particular drums. There are plenty of reasons the man shouldn’t be president. I really think it’s better to focus on the man’s flaws, his dodgy associates and his inexperience rather than grasping at the citizenship and religion straws.
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What if Obama’s mother didnt give birth in a hospital and her passport shows her being out the the county days or weeks prior to the recorded birth of Obama?
You see that is the part that I am puzzled about.
I think you should throw away that law degree from Yale then…. LOL! I have several Arab partners in my business….ALL SAY THAT OBAMA is INDEED a MUSLIM! By DEFAULT of his FATHER who was MUSLIM! It’s similar to a Jewish mother giving birth….kid is automatically Jew! Obama is a MUSLIM! It doesn’t matter but funny how he should try to hide it! I CAN TELL YOU that the Arab community is PISSED about it! LOL
ALSO BUD…….I can tell you that the birth record he demonstrates as his citizenship record is a FRAUD! I was born in Hawaii about the same time as him…. I have nothing that even REMOTELY looks like what he thinks is a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii! Talking to friends from Honolulu seems the Queens Memorial Hospital has been bombarded with inquiries… (he was supposedly born there) NOT EVEN THEY CAN VERIFY that he was born there! I’m SHOCKED!
I have two questions. One, ScottVA you have said you were born in Hawaii. I am courious if you have requested a BC from Hawaii in the last 10 years? I think in one of your earlier posts you said your “original” doesn’t look anything like the one posted by Obama. I would be interested to see what they sent you if you asked for one today.
Two, I may be watching too much Law & Order, (I do love that show), but why would the hospital in Honolulu release confidential medical records of he or his mother to a third party without their consent? It seems that saying “NOT EVEN THEY CAN VERIFY that he was born there!” is not at all the same as saying he wasn’t born there.
I am an Obama supporter. I do not hate McCain, I believe he is an Amarican Hero. I do not hate Hillary, I believe she is a strong, brillant, capable politician. I would not be here except my brother-in-law verably attacked me today, accusing me of putting a ‘Non-american’ in the White House. I truly had no idea what he was talking about. So I came looking. I don’t know the answer. But it does seem that someone, somewhere must have vetted Mr. Obama for his run for President, and they probably looked in to this. They must have been satisfied as to his citizenship. I guess that’s good enough for me.
Sorry ScottVA – If only I had read a bit further. You say you do have a reprint and it does not look like the one Obama posted? I will read on. Hopefully I will find the link where you posted it.
Sorry again!
Everyone seems to think Obama is a Muslim except maybe Howard Dean and the rest of Obama’s cult. Even Farrakhan thinks obama is a Muslim. hell Farrakhan said “Obama is the hope of the world”. In the eyes of the Islamic peoples all other people of varying religions are considered infidels, ungodly, unclean, pagans. I am sure Farrakhan would never say a none-Islamic is the “hope of the world”. Hell yes Obama is muslim-a RADICAL muslim.
Farrakhan calls Obama their “savior.”
Troubling, I think.
“What if Obama’s mother didnt give birth in a hospital and her passport shows her being out the the county days or weeks prior to the recorded birth of Obama?You see that is the part that I am puzzled about.”
There is no evidence that either of these things are true. Shown the obama birth ceftificate, the spokeswoman for the Hawaii department of health said: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”
What’s puzzling is that you think some vast, impenetrable conspiracy is more likely than the truth.
Its not the original BC that you are seeing. Its BO info on a new Birth Certificate form.
Do you understand the problem.
Show me the orignal BC.
J
The only way this will be a problem is if Hawaii is not legally part of the United States of America at the time of the new Messiah’s birth. Otherwise there is no problem.
If it ever goes to court, SCOTUS has to decide the status of Hawaii.
The best way for now for Barry is to show his original birth certificate. It ends the controversy one way or the other
The sad part is that at this stage of the game we are debating whether or not he is a citizen! Hello?? Where was the vetting of this man?? MSM you can give us all the details of Britney Spears divorce or the latest American Idol’s lovelife, what about checking out some basic facts on the man who wants to be the leader of the free world.
I was born in 1976. But if I went to Boston City hall to obtain a copy of my birth certificate it would most likely be printed on 2008 paper and template.
I WOULD NOT GET A PHOTOCOPY OF THE 1976 BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT IT IS CERTIFIED BY THE STATE.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
It never ceases to amaze me at the amount of people who choose to be ignorant on this site.
What Obama demonstrates as his Birth Certificate is NOT one issued by the State of Hawaii! I have both an original and a reprint and EVEN THE REPRINT has got a raised seal on the bottom and LOOKS NOTHING LIKE his live birth record (that he’s trying to pass off on the internet)…. That wouldn’t even get him a drivers license in Hawaii!
Don’t you think that if there was even an inkling of an argument that Obama was not a true American Citizen the GOP, Clinton Camp, and McCain campaign would be all over it. Not too mention the hundreds of individuals and organizations pouring resources on digging up dirt on Obama.
Don’t be so gullible. Honestly. Take the tin foil hat off for one second and join the rest of us in the real world.
He may very well HAVE the original one that includes the state seal and a notary seal and signature, JR, but doesn’t want that published.
But you’re incorrect about the most recent one. It has no notary seal or signature, and legally, doesn’t count for official documents.
Mary, I have heard from two people one who has his own and another one who’s relative has one that the state seal and registrars seal are on the REVERSE side.
Think about it. These certifications can be used as an official indication of someones date of birth and citizenship. There HAS to be a signature somewhere of a state official attesting to it’s validity.
– Bob
Without a notary seal and signature, it isn’t valid.
But if that information is on the back, then Obama should release copies of same.
The fact that he hasn’t just raises more doubts.
what’s the problem with publishing the original birth certificate, if he wants the job of POTUSA?
JR I think the Republicans will be all over this after the Convention when they are sure he’s the nominee. If they destroyed him now Hillary would be the nominee.
What was also fishy about the kos “birth cert” was that it listed his fathers race as “African”. I asked several AA’s about this (who are in their forties/fifties) & they all said their parents race was listed on their birth cert as: Negro. I googled the US Census classifications of race & it said that until 1980, in the US, non-whites were: Negro, American Indian, Japanese, Chinese, other non-white. Now the classification is Black or AA.
So what’s with the “African”? In 1961? Get real. What are they hiding? He must have an original, why not post it?
Annie come on…African was the term for someone born in Africa.A Kenyan/Ghanaina,etc in 1961 was described as African..i.e a non US citizen black born in Africa. Stop grasping at straws..
And why is it so hard for you to understand that we, the Democratic voters, who do not want him to be the nominee demand to see the original and since he wants our votes why not just shut this controversy down by simply showing us a clear photcopy of the document so we can read it for ourselves?
Obama is the one that is making it hard.
If you wanted to see my original right now, I could produce it. Why would I hide it, especially when I wanted to be POTUS?
If questions like this make your head explode, then fasten your seatbelt, it’s going to be a bumpy ride to November.
Seems there is a screw up some place..His mother didn’t have him at the Hospital she went to three days after giving birth….All this news surfacing is probably why Obama is hiding his birth certificate…http://www.hcsfjm.com/sowell.html
Hawaii was never a legal state…United States illegally annexed it…..This is why President Clinton signed in to law to give Hawaii it’s sovereignty back….
Be it noted that Obama was probably born in Kenya…
Wasington Post did a story on this several months ago…It’s on snopes.com…Washington Post went as far as asking for his DNA…
A real birth certificate is needed to apply for a passport, the certification of birth that the Obama camp is showing is not a valid substitution.
So since Obama obviously has a passport, providing the real birth certificate should be an easy matter for him, so why doesn’t he just do it?
His State Department passport files were breached months ago. The story came out that it was just someone being nosy, as was the case with the files of both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain. What if it was really someone removing something from those files, i.e. a copy of his birth certificate?
Sometimes I feel like I’m stuck in the midst of a Tom Clancy novel, just waiting for Jack Ryan to show up and save the day for democracy!
Exactly! A fraud trying to cover his tracks when he knows people are on to him! Funny how the people who breached his records were associated with a major donor of his….. HMMMMM!
Oh really? The bottom of the birth certificate he is presenting seems to say differently.
Or did you bother looking at it? Probably not.
I can TELL YOU IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MINE! AND I WAS BORN IN HAWAII IN 1962! LOL I even have a reprint from 1999! MINE REPRINT even has a RAISED SEAL over the Secretary of State of Hawaii name!
ScottVA..calm down…LOL…You are making me LMAO!!..When the caps show up…you made your point..LOL
WELL APPARENTLY IT’S NOT GETTING THROUGH……LOL The Kool Aid has really taken it’s TOLL on a lot of MINDS!
No, JR. There’s no official notary seal or signature. It’s not the official certificate.
Mary, unlike other states, the official seal is on the reverse side. So to show the complete document they need to show both sides. That’s the only way to know it is authentic.
– Bob
Great. Then let Obama release a copy of the back.
Get to it, Axelrod.
Ain’t it the truth!
You can’t make this shit up!
Mimi, your premise that the original says “Muslim” as religion could be a good reason the passport breacher didn’t want that original birth certificate to be available.
Shades of George W. Bush and his National Guard records, eh?
Oh my god…this site is filled with morons. I better log off before my head explodes from the amount of stupidity I’m currently absorbing.
maybe you better! LOL
maybe you should…….I know it’s a lot for you to process at one time! LOL!
The History books and the law is for anyone to read..and the courts will decide since it is going to court!
From my search..this is what I found…
Ed Hale from http://www.hcsfjm.com/ has initiated this lawsuit.
A Federal lawsuit is now in the works to get an injunction barring the DNP from making Obama their nominee.
RE: to Cannon
Why did you fail to cite this accurately?
It is not 8 U.S.C. 1401, Sec. 301(g) its 8 U.S.C. 1401, Sec. 301(g) b
The difference being that it is unclear if “this proviso shall be applicable to…” meant b or all of subsection g. It seems odd to me that so many persons’ citizen status could be changed retroactively by this law-I wonder if it is retroactive if there is not another section which limits it?
I doubt he is not a citizen-why would he run then.He would have to be crazy.
B) employed by the United States Government or an international
organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included
in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this
paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or
after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become
effective in its present form on that date; and
he’s a COMPLETE MORON that thinks everyone else is too dumb to figure him out! That’s why he’d RUN knowing he might not be eligible!
It’s Ms. Lawyer, not Mr. Lawyer, thank you very much. And don’t call me Sweetie, either.
Several people above (deerest friend, pax, Ted, etc.) have posted the applicable portions of the Constitution and Federal law. If you don’t believe me and them, I suggest you go to a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar (or Hillary herself) personally and ask about it. True enough, you can’t see my law degree over the internet.
As for the Muslim thing, good lord, man (or woman, or Sweetie, as the case may be), the man was a church-going, card-carrying member of the Trinity Church of Christ for decades (which is hardly compatible with being a practicing Muslim). But right there’s where to look for your religious problems, if you want some. Reverend Wright et al. provide plenty of legitimate fodder.
You’re looking in the wrong place for a troll. I’m a long-time Hillary admirer, and cannot stand Obama. If I were a troll, I doubt very much that I’d point out that Obama’s flaws, dodgy associates and inexperience would make him a lousy President, and if you read my post, that’s exactly what I did say. I’m just trying to point out that you’re wasting your energy on this one, and suggesting that you focus is on Obama’s very real flaws instead of drying to patch together imaginary ones.
Why do I care? Well, there are a lot of people wavering on the fence about whether to vote for Obama. You (and I) would like to convince them not to do so, right? Well, if Hillary supporters go off on silly issues that explode in our faces, we’re likely to drive those people straight into the Obama camp — the same way obnoxious Obama supporters helped drive a lot of people into the Hillary and McCain camps. For that same reason, you should also avoid calling everyone who disagrees with you in any particular a “troll” and abusing them. It’s not a good way to win converts to your cause, which is what this site is about, isn’t it.
I agree with you Ms Lawyer. But the point I’m making in regard to his Certificate of Birth is that the Religious designation could have stated Muslim and that’s why he’s hiding it.
Again, babies have no autonomy over such things. As adults people change their names and religions even their genders. Something like this could have easily been explained.
But if what I’m suggesting is in fact the case, it means he LIED…. yet again. And that I think is important. It ties into everything you say about why he’s not qualified and is too inexperienced to be POTUS. This is a character issue.
This is how I take this. Personally, him being a Muslim in childhood is not the issue, him stating absolutely that he is not now, NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN, a Muslim. Seems that his stepfather was a Muslim and that little Barry may have practiced that religion.
If he was raised in that religion, then so be it. And if he converted to Christianity in adulthood, so be it. But don’t lie to me about it.
He’s got way too many secrets, too many contradictions, and I’ve seen this before. Back in 2000. Guy named Bush did this. So, I’m extremely skeptical of the guy named Obama.
Still won’t vote for him anyway.
agree, mimi, re the lying. also, the pattern of going to great lengths to hide/dissemble/cover up – very nixonian.
as with nixon, it’s not so much the thing – it’s the coverup of the thing.
re obama – either he was born in kenya, in which case he’s not eligible for the presidency – but the coverup operation will ensure that we never know – or he was born in hawaii, as he claims, but his birth certificate shows his religion as muslim and/or his illegitimate status, which we don’t give a hoot about, but which he has taken great pains to deny, thereby revealing once again his lying ways.
one way or another, obama is once again revealing himself to be a liar.
with nixon, we had to wait for his almost-impeachment and his resignation – unprecedented events. hopefully, with obama, it will not come to that.
the current democratic-led congress would never take action against obama, no matter what facts come out. but if, heaven help us, he is elected, odds are high that the repubs will take over congress in two years and they will treat him the way the gingrich types treated the clintons in the 90s.
the difference is that the clintons are hardy and obambi is weak. he will fold like the cardboard cutout he is.
I’ve heard from two different sources that know what Hawaii’s “certification of live birth” looks like that in addition to what was shown on the front of Obama’s, on the reverse should be a stamped state seal in the middle and a stamped registrar’s name and signature with the date the copy of the certification was made.
The only thing that shows through from the back in Obama’s is the date. Why doesn’t this other information show through? At the very least what was released is incomplete. You have to show both sides to confirm it is an authentic document with the stamped signature of the state registrar.
-Bob
Ms. Lawyer,
Please!!! Are you telling us that if we ask for a birth certificate, a legitimate request, and if nobama actually produces a birth certificate, all the clinton supporters will immediately say hallelujah and flock to nobama. How superficial do you think they are?
If these issues seem silly to you then go find some serious issues to criticize nobama. Why discourage us from what we find important. And that too by making statements that he is not a muslim, when the issue is that he lied about never being a muslim.
You do your thing and let us do ours.
It is a simple thing being asked, someone brought it up and the fact is Obama produces a computer generated piece of paper as an answer instead of the real Birth Certificate.
His action speaks for itself Ms Lawyer and since Bambi beat the fact however he wanted even when Hillary gave a Senate speech on her reasons for voting for Bush’s Bill on Iraq in 2002, Bambi swept that under the carpet and continually used that vote against her.
So Bambi opened the door to provide verifiable proof on everything now, let him eat his own words now and provide the verifiable proof and not some paper that states “Certification of Live Birth” that is computer generated.
Obama tactics are reversing on him, too bad it is about time his Saul Alinsky tactics are now in reverse mode, but he started this world of dirty politics now he has to live with the outcome of them, especially after he has been proven a liar numerous upon numerous times!