MEDIA Presence of PUMA and “Just Say No” to Obama [Video Update of Will Bowers]
By SusanUnPC on June 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM in Barack Obama, Bolshevikization, DNC, Delegates, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Dems4McCain, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean
Diane Mantouvalos talks to Fox News’s Neil Cavuto about party unity, PUMA (which stands for “Party Unity My Ass”), and justsaynodeal.com. Mr. Cavuto has been especially welcoming to those of us who hold steadfast to nominating Hillary Clinton as the more qualified candidate. This video was posted, by V, on our No Quarter channel at YouTube:
OF NOTE: Tomorrow morning (Monday), Will Bowers of PUMA08.com will be interviewed by MSNBC’s Monica Novotny at 11:30 a.m. I have seen Will interviewed on other programs, and he is an articulate spokesperson — as is Diane — for our arguments and our cause. VIDEO UPDATE of Will Bowers on Neil Cavuto’s program this past week, just below:
We have a VIDEO UPDATE that features both Will Bowers (appearing tomorrow morning at 11:30 a.m. ET on MSNBC) and Thuc Nguyen, 32, a graduate student at the University of California (who is featured in the second article quoted below):
Here are a couple snippets from news articles about Will Bowers and his PUMA efforts:
Will Bower is known as the person who had created the group known as “Party Unity My A—“ (PUMA), after Senator Hillary Clinton of New York had lost the Democratic nomination. The ongoing contest between Clinton and Senator Barack Obama of Illinois had created a rift within the Democratic Party. The ruling by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) had left many supporters for Clinton bitter and frustrated.
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McCain did not hesitate to go after the Clinton supporters. Will Bower, the founder of PUMA; wants Clinton in office. Bower would not settle for Obama. Instead, Bower has openly said he will support McCain.
Bower has formed PUMA to get other frustrated Clinton supporters to make a stance. This stance is to keep Obama from winning the US Presidency. Bower is not just angry at Obama, he is angry at the whole Democratic Party. …
Read all from the article in the Digital Journal.
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Hillary Clinton’s official acknowledgment of defeat and call for party unity finally came yesterday, but William Bower wanted none of it.
A Clinton supporter and contributor for whom voting Democratic comes as natural as breathing, Mr Bower very nearly refused to attend the announcement. He knew Mrs Clinton was going to ask him to do what he considered unthinkable: support Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee.
“I don’t want to hear her say that, and I know she will,” he said before the event, which was held in the National Building Museum in Washington. “I don’t want to be told to vote for Obama.”
“I love her, and I would do 95 per cent of what she’d ask,” Mr Bower said. But not that.
How many Democrats there are like Mr Bower is Mr Obama’s newest worry after a passionate primary that, while bringing out millions of new Democrats, also split the party in two. Both Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton each got nearly 18 million votes.
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“In the hearts of her ardent supporters, we know she’s the best one this time or 2012, which is why we’re willing to put [Senator John] McCain in for four years and [then] have another go at it,” said Thuc Nguyen, 32, a graduate student at the University of California who is part of a burgeoning group known as PUMA, which stands for Party Unity My A—.
Another organisation, HillaryGrassrootsCampaign.com, is urging her to continue running for president, as an independent. “Why vote for McCain or Obama, when you can vote for Hillary!” the website says. “Our mission is to keep our eye on the prize and that prize is having Hillary in the White House,” said Robin Carlson, a spokesman for that group.
Another group, WriteHillaryIn.com, wants people to do just that on the ballot in those states that allow it.
Pam Hamilton, a Clinton supporter who works in sales in Medford, Oregon, and who started a website called ClintonDems, said a lot of women are feeling the four words about party unity that gave PUMA its acronym. She, and others, talk of Mr Obama in terms of inexperience and lack of substance, while complaining of unfair treatment of Mrs Clinton, both by the Democratic National Committee and by the media.
Ms Hamilton suggested she was not sure whom she will vote for – “My dream is that somehow Hillary gets on the ticket” – or whether she will even vote. But the longer she talked, the more it seemed she already had made up her mind. “With neither of them really appealing to my sensibilities, I have to look at who’s more experienced and who do I feel most comfort with, and it’s John McCain,” she said. “We know him.”
It is unclear what effect the PUMA crowd will have in November, if any, but its ranks are mobilising. Ms Nguyen helped launch last week what she described as the group’s official website, gopumaparty.com, although there are several ad hoc offshoots. …
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Diane is a wonderful spokesperson. It’s great to see these PUMA members on TV, and I would point out that many of them are under the age of 50!
PUMA right of rebellion
Media Alert:
Do NOT underestimate the PUMA wave!
I hear you talkin!
Will is terrific. One of our post primary stars.
If Nader could take enough away from Gore in 2000, the PUMA party voters should sufficiently threaten this presumptive Democratic nominee.
This is not 2000. Now people see the difference it made to have a Republican in office, and McCain would continue the war — something almost 70% of the public opposes.
And nobama has flip-flopped on his war positions. Who knows what he will do?
I don’t agree that he has flip-flopped. He is committed to ending the war but also committed to doing it in a sensible way. No one can sensibly commit to a specific amount of time for withdrawal. That wouldn’t be right or presidential.
He is not the one in control of the war. It all depends on ground situation. Obama cannot be truseted. He is a dictator in the making, if you guys really were so much concerned about ending war, you all should have voted for Hillary and not to Obama.
Let him first prove himself in the senate.
Obama has hijacked democracy. SHAME
Well, that’s what McCain has said, also. McCain wants to end the war responsibly, but he said if it takes 100 years, he will place America’s national security as his highest priority. Our soldiers understand this, and that is why they fight. Because they believe our country is the best in the world.
Democrat; question for you.
When you say “He is committed to ending the war but also committed to doing it in a sensible way.” is it sensible to leave Blackwater and other Merc’s in Iraq as BO has said he will do?
Democrat no response to my question? TSK TSK
Obama is a posterboy for how to flip flop all the while chanting UNITY!
Frankly “Democrat”, it doesn’t matter if you “agree” or not, Obama HAS flip flopped and badly…in the newspapers’ badly. PROOF:
(NEW YORK TIMES 7/26/04) :”I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don’t know…”
[CHICAGO TRIBUNE 07/27/04] :”…There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
[THE NEW YORKER 10/30/06) :”…I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.”
Obama hasn’t even talked to General Petraus or any of the other military leaders in Iraq or Afghanistan. He has not visited that region in the past two years. He has flip-flopped about keeping troops in Iraq. NOBAMA for Commander in Chief.
Democrat doesn’t know what he is speaking of, he’s simply for the sound bite, and he takes some comfort, there.
My goodness, he could be John Kerry, he sounds so vapid.
The war is real, if it isn’t addressed, it breaks the US, like Afghanistan did the USSR.
In no way, shape or form is Obama qualified to handle it, those people are removed from reality, on a parallel planet, where one goes when one is in massive denial, and in crisis, where one has betrayed one’s countrymen.
BTW, McCain will continue Bush’s unworkable fantasy policies, too, none of them are qualified to handle it.
The best was Hillary Clinton, and she would have succeeded, IMO.
Mac said he would support U.S. soldiers as long as they were in harms way.
Barry wrote in his book that he would side with the Muslims, which may be fine if you’re Muslim or a hate-filled madman like Farakhan.
Barry just doesn’t care for U.S. bitter white Americans who cling to our guns, religion and trade.
Barry has always voted to fund the war when given the chance. Convicted Iraqi felons Auchi and Alsamare who fled to Chicago support him.
Barry never convened a single meeting of the Senate sub-committee that he just had to Chair which includes NATO. He was too busy scamming an election.
Barry said he was a class action litigator, yet he voted against class action lawsuits.
Barry said he was a community organizer, but claims he didn’t know his constituents were freezing in convicted felon and his homey Rezko’s projects, so that he could get campaign donations and a mansion that he couldn’t otherwise afford.
Barry should be in a cell next to Tony “The Fixer” Rezko.
we don’t stand a chance of a snow ball in hades of having a democrat in the white house now. there aren’t any running. furthermore your candidate isn’t going to stop the occupation of iraq. don’t try playing us for fools.
You are right this is not 2000 it is 2008, and without Hillary we have to take the lessor of 2 evils. It is not hard at all because it is between a PATRIOT CANDIDATE, we can all get over a bankruptcy and another candidate that all his associates are either T, BOMBERS, AMERICAN HATERS, SEXIST AND TO TOP IT OFF TRYING TO TAKE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AWAY FROM OUR COUNTRY. ONCE YOU CROSS THAT LINE THERE IS NO TURNING BACK. And have you heard that PELOSI wants to be the FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT in the not too far future? Yes, I am one of the 18 million for Hillary. GOD BLESS AMERICA! FROM MY LIPS TO GODS EARS.
Maybe the efforts mentioned here are all legit., but we should be careful about who’s and what’s what, as the DNC and Obama campaign continue to infiltrate and try to control the conversation. I mean, just telling me to people support McCain in November doesn’t sound like any real call to action.
Re: Will Bower on MSNBC tomorrow, this from March troubles me: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-bower/there-shant-be-blood-an_b_91083.html
He writes for HuffPost, appears on MSNBC… Again, it may be all legit. (sorry, Will, if I’m wrong), but where’s direct action being planned to fight the DNC on their rule violations? Yesterday on a conference call with another allegedly pro-Clinton coalition, when I interrupted a lot of idle chit-chat and suggested a campaign to get the DNC to revoke its nominee determination and press Clinton to get back into the race, (because she promised 18 mill. voters she wouldn’t quit), I was told we shouldn’t be threatening her “legacy”. Terms like “party unity”, “gracious”, and “legacy” are Rovean propaganda tools to frame the debate and neutralize the opposition. And we can see how well they’ve worked.
Anyway, this is just a heads up. For those who want to do something to actually get Sen. Clinton back on the ballot next November, please contact me by clicking on my screen name. Thanks. Rosemary
I have to vouch for Will.
He’s been a strong member of Hillary Clinton for President - One Million STRONG on Facebook. He chose to post on HuffPost to be a lone Hillary supporting voice. He struggled often to get them to post his work and when they did he had to fight to stop them from changing his headlines to anti-Hillary connotations. It takes courage to go into the lion’s den. Also, as for MSNBC, Will is going where he can get the message out. He was on Fox, I believe he has also been on CNN, and MSNBC. We have to go to the “liberal” outlets so that other Puma Dems can know they are not alone.
Will is a great guy and a true Puma. He’s a Hillary supporter to the core.
Just say no has done a good job of listing all the various groups that have sprung up. It’s starting to come together, it appears.
This interview was good.
Diane Mantouvalos did a wonderful job. I have a feeling the Pumapac is going to be around for a long time. They might be much more successful in promoting issues of Women than any other group in history. Viva la PUMA, Viva la Just Say No Deal!!!!!
P.S. Another great commentary Susan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You always know what we want to know!! I do not watch television news any more. I went from being totally addicted to MSNBC (KO, if you can believe that)…to vowing never to watch it, again. (Hubby says I can turn on a dime). Then switched to O’Reilly, when he was nice to Hillary. Then to Charles Gibson, ABC. Finally said, forget this. I get all of my important news from No Quarter.
You can’t promote the issues important to women if you have a president in office with a ZERO lifetime rating from NARAL, as McCain does. And McCain is opposed to legislation making it easier for women who have suffered gender discrimination in the workplace.
Yes, but McCain is not Obama. He has that going for him. That’s enough to keep him in office one term.
Obama is for quotas for AA women regardless of how unqualified for they may be for the position. He could care less about any other race.
I’m female and I’ve worked for and earned my degrees and job. I didn’t hit up a convicted felon for a mansion that I couldn’t afford.
MEEEchelle is a shining example of what a joke the Affirmative Action system is. What did she do with it?
1. She wrote a crappy hate thesis at Princeton,
2. Failed to practice law helping anyone,
3. Then she took a position she enjoyed at Chicago U - a hospital where she was responsible for turning away the sick and injured.
Now her slacker hubby who never helped anyone but himself gets to be considered for POTUS!
It’s sickening.
>>> I’m female and I’ve worked for and earned my degrees and job.
Imagine that you’re a well-qualified, literate and numerate white male and that you find the Soft Management positions in most places, but especially in government and higher education filled chock-a-block with ILLITERATE, INNUMERATE (but degree-holding!) African American women, unable to form complete sentences, spell or punctuate or add a short column of 5’s, products of Affirmative Action, running the back offices and HR departments.
I axe you, that be fair? Or is you PREj-dis?
funny thing, i haven’t seen mccain giving hillary the finger. so your talk is just hot air. it must be lonel sitting there with a paper and talking points from barry.
They know a bad joke (Obama) when they see one.
Thanks for posting this PUMA is really starting to take off and it has the Obama camp scared. The Obama people would do something to try and help them, but they are lost at the moment which is one of their reasons for the pathetic fight the smears page on Obama’s site.
I’m really confused about PUMA. I thought Riverdaughter was the first person to coin PUMA (Party Unity My Ass), and then a reader of her blog - Murphy - started Puma Pac. Now this Will person, whom I’ve never seen on any other Hillary blog or forum is being credited with starting PUMA. It sure would be nice if someone would make a post to clear up all of this and put it into context. Right now it’s sounding like a whole bunch of different blogs running off in different directions. Not a unified movement of people working together.
Cooler heads will prevail. I am sure by November, after having checked out the Republican’s platform, the vast majority of people throwing a temper tantrum right now will be back.
Ha, uh…ok. Obama will have a total melt down before then. The 527’s will be after him full tilt and he will self destruct. He can barely focus now.
I’m cooled off already. I pretty much get the picture, and this isn’t about Obama. Or Hillary. It’s about the party.
It needs to be replaced.
Then you clearly have no comprehension of what the Just Say No Deal Mega-Coalition is..
We aren’t afraid of the Republicans. It’s the Democrats that turned dangerous.
It almost seem a good time to start a new party. If the BHO don’t want us we should just leave and form a party that will count each vote. Eliminate super delegates and will be run by the people not by some people with an ego trip.
Why don’t you do that? Good idea! Start a new party.
What do you want to do first?
- Set up a platform
- Hold a convention
- Try to get your party on the ballot
- Recruit candidates
- Raise money
Get started - Time’s a wasting!
“Demorat”..I asked you a question. You won’t answer it eh? Too busy tracking troll mud to answer my question?
Or take back our party.
When has it been your *party* or party of the people for that matter?
After all we’re talking about the same party that:
*Passed NAFTA and subsequent crooked “free” trade deals.
*Killed Glass-Steagull Act.
*Passed the Telecommunications deregulation act.
*Stood silent while corporate America off-shored millions of well paying jobs and still does. *Helped pass the bankruptcy reform act(thanks Reid). *Helped pass tort reform. *That stands silent as China dumps toxic consumer goods and medicine that kills people into this country. *Refuses to stop labor arbitrage in the form of H1-B, L-1 and H-2 guest visa workers.
*Refuses to secure our ports and borders.
*Couldn’t care less about our country being in hock to China and Saudi Arabia.
This sort of behavior isn’t that of the party of the people but of a corporate owned party.
About the only man in the Congress who sticks up for the economic well being working and middle-class on a regular basis isn’t even a Democrat but Independent - Bernie Sanders.
It really makes me wonder what so-called Democrats are trying to take back.
Do you really want back the party that rolled over for Wall Street and gave you Obama?
Well, if you think we’re going to roll back NAFTA, go ahead.
But I am pretty sure you’re whistling in the dark.
And if you think Obama is offering secure borders, then I know you’ve not been awake.
Hillary offered real solutions. You obviously weren’t paying attention.
Pagan Power ; just wanted to say thanks for you recent article. Very insightful.
It really does not matter who gets credit for starting this PUMA as it went viral in 2 hours.
The big picture is that, as StrawberrybitesBarky points out, the meltdown that has started.
I can only conclude that BO’s strongarm tactics are starting to backfire so badly that the momentum necessary to win is devolving into power struggles with in the brick and mortar of the Democratic party.
The very high value impedance of the BO dictator moves are preventing ANY chance at party unity. If BO wants any chance of winning he needs to Show Donna “don’t hurt yourself” Brazzile and Rowland Martin (who call Mr. Johnson and idiot on CNN recently) the door before the convention.
It stands to reason that Senator Clinton does not get the floor vote she asked for and the DUNC adds insult to injury that will be the biggest plunder in the history of Modern American politics.
I am speculating that the reason the media “walk through” was canceled, was because the DUNC does not want to respond to the question of a floor vote not taking place.
It would not be good to let that cat out of the bag at this point in time.
And with BO out there with the message of bring knives and guns to a brawl, I am sure some SD’s are doing more than scratching their heads and rear ends. No money for the DUNC will mean Dean will have to “scale the resources” of his 50 state “plan” to just holding water.
Rohm must be really chagrined, having had this well reported argument with Dean some time ago.
If they cancelled the walk through?
They have cancelled Denver.
The Hireheels Million Woman March as well as the other activism has scared them silly.
They have actually cancelled this year’s convention.
I would bet my last 5 bucks on this.
Obama will have a press conference in Chicago.
He’s unwilling to face Hillary delagates.
This is truly a coup.
One thing I’ve learned in life is to listen to myself.
I knew it was a coup.
This simply proves it.
Trust me. Cancelling the walk-through is very big news.
The DNC is broke. They can pony up for a revote which is refused by BO, but can’t pay the contract on the convention hall?….What happens then? What do the rules say about not having a convention or if they do…no role call vote?
I smell a demo-rat but are they really that desperately stupid?
Can anything be done about this…legally? There should be lawsuits out the wazoo over things like this and the RBC debacle. This is absolutely outrageous.
Keep thinking it’s a “temper tantrum,” or as Diane said, “call it sour grapes at your own peril.” I am happy if the Obama campaign completely writes us off and quits sending their cyborgs here.
Unless Obama can gain some creditable, documented, experience/results….like going to work and like WORKING….the cooler head thing…not going to happen.
PUMA!
You STILL don’t get it. This is not a tantrum.
This is far more important than Hillary or Obama, Democrat or Republican.
This is about DEMOCRACY! This is about RESPECTING and PROTECTING VOTERS RIGHTS! This is about holding those in positions of power accountable!
We will not forget in November or ANY other time.
Obamabots broke it, you own it!
temper tantrum? why you self righteous arrogant little poster you.
I think we’re all merging together nicely. It’s a joint effort.
The No Deal site pulls everyone in.
And there’s no single plan. Each group can take a piece.
If it gets moving faster, it will become effective.
It’s probably time to donate.
I think it was a joint effort to form the PAC. The Just Say No Deal is a “leaderboard”. If I had a Blog, I wouldn’t want to give it up…but I would want it to be linked with like-minded Blogs. It’s a very good blog and reference tool.
Makes sense, Judith.
We just need a central clear ground. There’s no need for every blog to try to grow into Huffington Post.
And Murphy’s PUMA = People United Means Action (http://blog.pumapac.org/), not Party Unity My Ass. There’s 2 different PUMA Orgs/blogs.
That confused me too. Now I know they aren’t the same people. This REALLY needs to be a UNITED FRONT.
I think RD and Murphy may not like the “Party Unity My Ass?” and that may be the problem here? Just wondering out loud here.
People United Means Action is a registered PAC. You cant register a pac with profanities in the name.
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
We are a united front. The issue is there are different voting strategies. Some groups are focused on still making Hill the nominee. Others want her to go Independent. Still others say write her name in, vote McCain, third party or stay home. However, we are united in that we are all saying No Deal to the “selectee.”
Please see my post above on this.
Dear Clinton Dem,
Yesterday’s revelation that Barack Obama is planning to move a large portion of the DNC operations to his home town of Chicago has set off all kinds of alarms at Clinton Dems.
This is disturbing on so many levels. Chicago is widely known for corrupt “Machine Politics” and stokes our worst fear that “The Chicago Machine” is going national. Four of the last seven Governors of Illinois have been indicted for corruption and an effort is already underway to impeach current Governor Blagojevich for activities uncovered during the trial of Obama’s long-time fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko.
The Rezko trial has uncovered a complex network of cronies, and patronage — and a shockingly large number of them have had relationships on some level with Barack Obama. Do we want the appearance, real or imagined, that these corrosive elements will be influencing our party at the most fundamental levels?
A good number of us already suspect that this has been taking place. Please contact Howard Dean and especially all representatives on the Delegate List in your state and tell them that you strongly oppose this move. Express your concern about the direction of the Democratic party.
Pam Hamilton
Clinton Democrats
Keep Fighting!
Here are some resources for you to take ACTION!
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Delegate List in Excel File
Send snail mail letters via http://lobbydelegates.com
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The horses have left the barn…who cares if the barn burns down.
The Democratic Party is Obama’s party now…when he goes down…so will the party. I am an independent now and hence forth. Never again will I get tied down to one party. All us “deadenders” need to finish what Dean and Donna started a few weeks back-push the button for McCain and let the Democratic Party imploded. Let the Democratic party fall in on itself and taste its own blood and dust and choke a swift death. We independents will build a party out of the ashes of our ole and once beloved party- the Democratic Party.
PUMA.
If Obama wins in November, will he move the seat of the Presidency from Washington, D.C. to Chicago? After all, he is the Messiah and people do whatever he commands.
wonder how the dnc plans to pay for the convention? why the corporations! think the dems will be fighting for us? think again!
Neil must secretly love Hillary cuz he keeps having all these PUMA people on. Lol
Of course Fox News loves them. They want to elect conservative Republicans who will cut rich people’s taxes, not pass any health care reform, put more Alitos on the Supreme Court, and keep the war going. Getting McCain elected will help them do that.
You speak as if Obama doesn’t like Alitos or Robertses. He likes Kmiec, who is to the RIGHT of Alito and Roberts. You’re an ass.
I’m so glad Diane called him on the “sour grapes” thing. I’m tired of him trying to dismiss every HRC supporter that way. He’s got a narrative and he doesn’t want to let go.
He’s not the only one; the borg has a message.
“And come tell me Sean O’Farrell tell me why you hurry so
Husha buachaill hush and listen and his cheeks were all a glow
I bare orders from the captain get you ready quick and soon
For the PUMAS must be together by the rising of the moon”
This paraphrase dedicated to Scotch-Irish Appalachian PUMAS.
Might be a good song on the long road to Denver.
Other nationalities of PUMAS will have their own songs, I’d reckon.
Cool. I’m a Scots-Irish Appalachian PUMA, and I thank you for your encouragement.
81% of Democrats support a nominee a mere week after this was settled. Every Clinton supporter I know but one now supports Obama and the one is not going to vote for McCain. We have a long way to go to November and I think we’ll be quite unified, at least as unified as the Republicans because we know WHAT’S AT STAKE:
- The war in Iraq
- Basic rights such as no torture and habeus corpus
- Women’s control over their own bodies
- An expansion of health care for the people
- Fairer tax policy
Yeah, but who do you know? LOL*
Look at the polls, dumbie.
Look at the “undecided.”
IT’S HUGE!
He’s toast.
Everyone in his dorm at high school in Hawaii…..lol
no
every democrat he knows in the Internet Warroom at hammas headquarters is more like it.
I know at least 35 Clinton supporters, the vast majority of whom are women over 50. Some are long time feminist activists. Around half are lesbians. About 5 of them were delegates to my state’s Democratic convention. Around 6 are over 70. That’s who I know.
Maybe they realize you are mentally vulnerable, being a kool aid drinker and all, and they don’t want you to have a psychotic break if they tell you the truth.
You know 35 women over 50 who were feminist activist who supported Hillary and are now supporting Barky?????….sure, Democrat… whatever you say.
I know 35 men over 20 feet tall who can jump over houses in a single leap. I think they’re going PUMA, all the way…
How many lesbians does it take to screw in a (dim) lightbulb? That’s not funny.
Sure.
I know 102 Lesbians
257 Women over the age of 70
53 female Vegans
137 Dead Women who still are registered to vote
and
3 female impersonators.
All of them were storng Hillary Supporters and are all voting against Obama and for McCain as of now.
I also know 1 douchebag that was for Obama before and still is.
>>> 3 female impersonators.
Hey, we don’t need no steeenking PC. Joo can say, “DRAG QUEENS,” and we know what joo mean!
Whatever you say. If you are right and not worried just leave us in peace.
LOL….you’re such a liar. Axelrod is that you? Go back to the Obama site….you guys have a lot of work to do…you hav’nt even covered 1/5 of the “smears” ie truths about Obama.
Calling someone a liar isn’t in tune with the new civility policy at noquarter.
And I’m not a liar, just someone who disagrees with you. Why not just discuss ideas with me instead of name-calling?
When you want to discuss the Democratic party platform, most people here would agree with you. Unfortunately, the Democratic party leadership does not uphold the most important tenet of its party which is respecting voters.
Ooo, 17 dykes who forgave Obama for his Donnie McClurkin/Mary Mary episode and turn a blind eye to Obama’s complete objection towards gay marriage/fear of being photographed with the “gay marriage mayor”. AWESOME.
you know nothing.
And it’s pretty scary to think that an inexperienced, hypocritical, untrustworthy politician with questionable connections to Rezko, Wright, Ayers, could be in the White House making tough decisions on these issues.
Let’s vote wisely!
If 81% of Democrats support Obama then why are you here? Obviously you’re wasting your time with people you don’t need. Oh, wait….
I feel like interacting with people with whom I disagree. It’s more interesting to me than blogging or talking with folks who share the same views as i do.
That’s funny, because most of your posts just pressure people to conform.
“It’s a shame that all the people who really know how the government should be run are cutting hair and driving taxis.” - George Burns
Keep believing that at your own peril. The Democratic Party is DEAD. BO cannot win without Hillary’s supporters and I don’t know ANY that will vote for BO. I’m not.
He is NOT going to win in November. Not only has he destroyed the Party, the GOP will destroy HIM and he will be a shadow of himself by the time they’re finished with him.
That’s what you get for anointing an unqualified person of questionable character…..President McCain.
Oh yeah, BO’s health care plan is a JOKE and may I suggest you stop throwing out the Roe v. Wade issue? That’s a non-starter. We already know from the BO campaign, their plan was to trash Hillary and women to win any way they could and THEN they would “play the Roe v. Wade card” to bring the women back into the party (direct quote from Chuck Todd who spoke with the BO campaign about that issue).
FORGET IT. If 20-something BO supporters don’t care enough to support the woman who has spent her entire life fighting for women’s rights, why the hell should I? FORGET that wedge issue! It’s not going to work in this election! Women are on to their little game. IT’S OVER. We’re finished being played for fools.
What’s terribly sad is this was unnecessary. His insistence on shutting out the voters is why it has come to this disastrous result. It’s the DNC ruling, the blocking of revotes.
He totally reversed his supposed position that he works well with the opposition.
Obviously, not. He’s a power clubber. Just like Bush. He’s rude. He’s mean. He’s arrogant.
Yes indeed. He and the DNC are responsible for this mess. Now they can live with the repercussion of what they have done.
They WILL come to regret it.
they made the mess and threw the tantrum at the table. let’s get the car keys, leave the dnc with the bill and hit the road.
What about the War?
Obama’s doin the flippity flop!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU
Dream on.
You have a small world.
What is it that you unity people and so-called Democrats don’t get? We don’t care what you think now. We gave you every opportunity to woo us and look at the issues and not personalities.
You chose personal attacks against Hillary and are still choosing them. More of you still go on the internet and trash Hillary rather than say a bad word about McCain.
Considering the nasty words and outright lies you said about Hillary why should we believe you about McCain?
You had your chance. Your candidate had his chance. You both blew it.
Nothing less than a public apology will do.
We’re waiting.
We know you need us because otherwise you wouldn’t be here.
Woo? Public apology? Agente provocateuse?
No doubt. A public apology would be letting Obama off the hook easy after the trashing of the Clinton administration and personal attacks against Hillary.
Why does this guy only apologize when he gets called out on BS? Wright, Rezko, Hillary… Does he have no conscience? Does he not know right from wrong? Does he even care?
apology? no way! too late! what an insulting idea!
Too late for an apology which from that congenital liar means nothing. It’s over. Obama has lost us forever and the more we find out about him the more repulsive he becomes.
How many of them are women? Women are not always candid - and of all the things it is ok not to be candid about, politics is number 3 on the list.
I don’t tell my friends that I will vote for McCain ether because I don’t feel like having an argument about something that I have already made up my mind.
When my friends wring their hands about a McCain presidency, I tell them:
1 - He is the closest thing the Republicans have to a Democrat. Since the Democrats nominated another loser, McCains a good Republican to have in office.
2 - The American government works best when it is balanced. The Democrats control Congress, and they suck. At least the President will prevent them from running the country into the ground.
3 - We are currently in two wars. None of the three candidates has done anything to end the wars, but at least McCain will keep our soldiers safe.
4 - It’s only four years. McCain will make you watch less TV. Enjoy the next four years leading up to the end of the world.
How many are women? They are almost all women. I know about 35 folks who supported Clinton and 90% are women.
I thought above you said they were all women?
Puullleeeze. Go yank somebody else’s chain, Democrat.
Maybe BO’s. He’s good a chain yanking. You could take turns.
Please reread my earlier post where I said “almost all” were women. 90% is almost all, no?
My husband voted for Hillary and I voted for Obama in the Florida primary. I came to my senses and starting supporting her around Super Tuesday. We are not all women, for sure.
Mary Kay ; how does it feel to have just .5 of a vote?
That’s so true. I’ve told people at work I’ll vote for Obama just to avoid arguments and backlash but you better believe if the DNC does’nt fix this travesty and nominate Hillary I WILL VOTE FOR McCain in November!
loosing just 2% of the democrats in key states will loose the election for any democrat. What do you think will happen when 527s start running adds declaring BHO as a radical candidate with ties to the Nation of Islam. You though people came out to vote for gay marriage just wait until they hear about that. You must have forgotten what happened to Kerry.
I think McCain has a shot in CA. Seriously. Obama is only 7 points ahead now. Amazing.
I think McCain could use our gov. and make some headway here with the same type of “I’m Republican but one that works well with the majority Dem party.”
That’s the ticket. He’s just got to convince us that he’ll work well with a Dem congress.
Then……he’s won.
What poll are you looking at that shows McCain being just 7 points behind Obama in CA.
For a look at where the polls stand in CA, see
http://www.pollster.com/08-CA-Pres-GE-MvO.php
Thanks.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_mccain_vs_obama-558.html
SUSA has Obama ahead by only 8 points. The average of most accepted polls is 12 points.
I’m in California and I and others who supported Hillary are voting Mccain.
If you’re interested, look at McCain’s site and click the strategy piece.
If these numbers hold, McCain is going to actually go after CA.
Amazing times we live in, eh?
It depends on how much the RNC has in its war chest. It will take a lot of money to flip CA, or maybe not. But Obama needs those 55 EV’s.
I live in CA and I think McCain has a shot here too. And the idea of getting our Governator is interesting since it was the same demographic (young college kids) who went bonkers over him and got him in Sacramento. Also, it would be fun since his wife Maria famously supports BObama.
So did Bush in 2000. Big waste of his money.
Mccain comes across as more of a mainstream libertarian in the Reagan mold than Bush does. In California, that’s very attractive.
Sure, why shouldn’t he. Win California and the election becomes a complete landslide in his direction. I have no doubt that he’s got the electoral college in the bag but if he wins California and a couple of the swing states then he has a mandate. Then it goes from working with a Dem congress to the Dem congress having to work with him. He’ll be in the drivers seat.
I am in CA …beverly leslie, same here. If the DNC has to spend money in Ca media market they are not long for this race.
If as this says that McCain is with in reach of capturing Ca or cost Obama time and money defending BO’s map is not worth the CRAP CANNON it was fired from.
“http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May23.html”
I’ll second that! Nobama has not even begun to be vetted by the Republican machine. When that starts in earnest, little obama will turn and run like a scalded dog!
This is not 2004 and Obama is a much tougher candidate than Kerry. And McCain has a pretty pathetic campaign organization and a party that is actually more divided. The conservatives don’t trust him, particularly the evangelicals. And there are far fewer Republicans now than Democrats.
Plus McCain’s reputation has waned quite a bit.
John McCain once had the most powerful brand in American politics. He was often called the country’s most popular politician and widely admired for his independent streak. It wasn’t too many years ago that “maverick” was the cliche of choice in describing him.
But that term didn’t even make the list this year when voters were asked by the Pew Research Center to sum up McCain in a single word. “Old” got the most mentions, followed by “honest,” “experienced,” “patriot,” “conservative” and a dozen more. The words “independent,” “change” or “reformer” weren’t among them
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.infocus15jun15,0,4687694.story
You still don’t get it. People are not voting for McCain they are voting against Obama. As long as Obama is Obama he will loose.
He’s loose? Did he stretch out recently?
Larry Sinclair says he did.
Ah yes…….admiring the campaign strategy.
I was never so shocked as to read from fellow Democrats that they admired the Obama method of bullying at caucuses.
I honestly suggest you go back to Huffpo or KOS or wherever.
I don’t want your new party or its new values.
I’m disgusted and will remain so.
the blog owners of huff post and kos are both former republicans. hmmm!
The new democratic party can have the other half of my vote, the half that isn`t counted.
Don’t you get it? We’re not voting FOR McCain, we are voting AGAINST obama and nothing can make us change our minds.
bye-bye nobama! Hello Hillary 2012.
This is not 2004 and Obama is a much tougher candidate than Kerry.
What makes you think Obama is a tougher candidate than Kerry? The truth is, that he hasn’t been put to the test. Do you have any plausible reason for saying that, anything at all, other than you’ve been drinking too much Kool-Aid?
Clinton did him the favor of testing him.
She treated him with kid gloves–and the Democratic party establishment, along with his (dicey) financial backers gave him the “presumptive” nomination. If you don’t believe this, then there’s no hope for you.
And she got accused until the final months of being a bitch.
She won everyone over. She is the one who played by the rules.
Now, he’s the presumptive nominee who is illegitimate.
I hate psychological stuff, but I suspect he’s used to this.
He’s the illegitimate nominee, and everyone knows it.
*blech*
The thing is…she used kid gloves on him because every time she said anything against him she was accused of being a racist. The Obamarhoids called her every name in the book for NOTHING.
Just wait until the GOP gets going on him! The GOP doesn’t give a HOOT what the Obamarhoids think! Does anyone really believe the GOP will care if they’re called racists by the Obamarhoids? HA! They THRIVE on that crap. They live for it! They will enjoy every minute of taking BO down and nothing the Obamarhoids say will deter them…NOTHING.
Hey Democrat,
Go and suck your master’s dick.. and get lost from here.
Tiger
Obama has more skeletons in his closet than all the Dems together! LOL
And like someone else said. You STILL don’t get it. A vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST Obama.
You can scream “racists” “roe v wade” “iraq war” “deadenders” etc until you are blue in the face. WE DON’T CARE. It’s TOO late!
McCain/Crist Ticket and I am In….Crist pass health care for Fl, Receive an honorary reward from black leaders in FL, He pass insurance reform and mortgage relief for Floridians. He has a high approval rating from Cubans, Latinos, Jews, White Working Class and Blacks…hes a centrist conservative… He would deliver FL and PA his birth state…..Thats a winning TICKET
Charlie’s approval numbers in Florida are through the roof!
Interesting. He’s a fabulous speaker.
This is silly, but he’s so tall, tan and good-looking, he makes McCain look older. And Florida will probably go to McCain, anyway. I like Charlie Crist, though.
lol*……good point.
Everyone would be lusting after the silver fox.
LOL uh
http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/2008/03/our_first_gay_v.php#more
crist won’t be the candidate and neither will romney. mccain has to placate the religeous base. simple really!
I keep thinking it’s going to be Tim Pawlenty, though some are saying Bobby Jindal.
Obama economic’s!
Video tutorial:
http://tinyurl.com/379qao
$860 Billion in reperations to Africa!
Very good.
Jesus Wrote a Blank Check…
John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.
If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.
Very well put.
We democrats in FL like Crist. I did not vote for him in the last election but I will in the next one. He has kept the Universities from raising tuition and is taking on the insurance companies. He also lowered our property taxes. Plus he seems to be a likable guy. Although, I have never spoken to him.
maybe crist can be in the cabinet, but mccain has to win the religeous right. that is the reality.
Obama delivers tough talk
Probably not the right tone at this point:
He warned that the general election campaign could get ugly. “They’re going to try to scare people. They’re going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy,’ ” he said. . . .
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”
So, on the one hand, Obama accuses Republicans of trying “to scare people.” On the other hand, he employs a metaphor of violence. The metaphor is hardly original — it’s the same sort of macho boasting that pipsqueak wimps like Paul Begala routinely employ. Boasting is seldom a harbinger of success.
Ed Morrisey notes:
Obama not only doesn’t like a good brawl, he can’t even take an open-forum debate unless it takes place on the Home & Garden Channel at 2 am on a holiday weekend.
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-delivers-tough-talk.html
He’s a wuss. Personally. Only tough when it comes to ruining other people’s lives.
Republicans DO try to scare people. They did it in the 2002 midterms and in the 2004 election.
Don’t you agree? Or did you think the anti-Max Cleland ads and the Swift Boat ads were all perfectly civil and not part of a scare tactic?
After seeing the horrible bashing of Hillary, no, I don’t agree.
I think the left-wing Democrats are far worse than the Republicans ever thought about being.
For real……I was shocked. I remain shocked that those types consider themselves liberal.
I will not be a part of their party. They may have won, but it’s a very small tent.
yep, agreed.
After watching the performance of left wing obama supporters and his campaign i was appalled by the vitriol they spewed while claiming hillary was the negative campaigner.
How long this snake oil salesman and his gestapo campaign will keep getting away with claiming to be the hope and unity campaign while they divide and demoralize and disenfranchize is anyones guess.
the pathetic democrats are trying to imitate the republicans. they are even failing at that.
Yes it was shocking. Talk about eating your own. I don’t recall seeing anything like that EVER. Obamabots I think we’re raised by either Clinton bashing neo cons or anti-American radicals but not true democrats.
That’s what I think. They are kids raised by Republicans in rebellion.
My son vote for Hillary in the primaries. Now he’s Obama. But he’s so Democrat.
His big rebellion?
He voted Green. *haha
After seeing the horrible bashing of Hillary, no, I don’t agree.
I think the left-wing Democrats are far worse than the Republicans ever thought about being.
For real……I was shocked. I remain shocked that those types consider themselves liberal.
I will not be a part of their party. They may have won, but it’s a very small tent.
“This would have been a little more interesting tonight if Senator Obama had accepted my request,” said McCain, encircled by 200 applauding people inside Wall Street’s Federal Hall. “It’s the opportunity for you to talk to me, as well as for me to talk to you.” - John McCain talking with the American people
McCain’s asking for what Hillary Clinton’s opponent for her Senate re-election asked for — free media. She turned him down, just like every winning candidate does.
Meanwhile, Obama has offered more debates/town meetings than have ever been held in any presidential race in American history.
Whatever it is your smoking you need to stop. Obama has turned down town hall meetings with McCain and was SCARED to further debate Hillary.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/ap_on_el_pr/town_hall_debates
McCain, Obama fail to agree on town halls
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 13, 1:27 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday rejected Republican rival John McCain’s proposal for 10 joint town-hall appearances, offering instead to have just one on the July 4 holiday.
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Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said he offered to meet McCain in five joint appearances between now and the Nov. 4 election. But only one of those was a town-hall meeting, plus three traditional debates and an in-depth debate on foreign policy.
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In other words, Obama would like to have one “debate” where he could trumpet his antiwar policy and accuse his opponent of running for Bush’s third term. By “traditional debates” he means one where the questions are given ahead of time, and he can meet with his speechwriters about how he will answer. He could shine while reading from a teleprompter.
Instead, Obama has agreed to one town hall on July 4, so he can sell himself as patriotic and at the same time, not too many people will be paying attention.
But here’s the new politics of hope and change.
Plouffe tried to place the blame on McCain for refusing to agree, saying five joint appearances “would have been the most of any presidential campaign in the modern era, offering a broad range of formats and representing a historic commitment to openness and transparency.”
“It’s disappointing that Senator McCain and his campaign decided to decline this proposal. Apparently they would rather contrive a political issue than foster a genuine discussion about the future of our country,” Plouffe said.
obama is running from “talking with the american people”. why is that? because he doesn’t do well without a teleprompter or when he doesn’t have an adoring audience.
Obamabots try to scare people with Roe v Wade. If Dubya didn’t overturn it, McCain sure won’t. BO’s little army of acolytes use abortion rights like Bush use 9/11. Big scary.
BO’s disciplines know nothing about McCain, and not much more about BO.
They’ve received their marching orders from the Big Kahuna and they blindly follow them.
Democrat, why don’t you go back to school, maybe take some night classes in political history, learn a few things before you launch a vote that could cost America millions of lives because of a crooked neophyte with no plans.
W. would have loved to overturn Roe. But he couldn’t control how many Justices resigned during his presidency.
W. got almost as many Supreme Court Justices as needed to overturn Roe. Just look at the 5-4 votes. If a Republican switches just one of those 5, there goes Roe.
Idiot
SCOTUS put Bush in office.
They would have overturned Roe if he had wanted.
The GOP has no intrest in overturning Roe.
IF they did it would already be gone!
Nice try though!
the supreme court is reading the american people better than the republicans. conservative base or not i look for them to surprise us down the road.
Not “fair” to scare?
I will not take a fairness argument from Obama.
The RBC removed the Fair Reflection doctrine in favor of Obama.
The Fairness doctrine spoke to the principle of one person one vote.
By creating votes in Michigan where Obama was voluntarily removed from the ballot, the DNC has demonstrated that “fairness” is not a value they agree with.
Go Sell crazy somewhere else.
Fairness to Obama?
PUMA!
Who the hell takes a gun to a football game? Jeez these people are scary.
Only two, ok four people. The quarterbacks and the kickers. NO one else.
This movement among long-time Democrats to reject Obama is HUGE.
Many people won’t talk about it publically for fear of being labeled racists.
But come November, they will make themselves heard with their votes.
McCain ‘08
Hillary ‘12
I agree. And if asked, they’ll just mumble that they can’t afford higher taxes right now. (which is true)
But a lot of people are horrified.
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!
Thats the sound of inevitability Mr Obama!!!!
Back to Chi Ca Go You Go Go
Yes, I totally agree with this opinion…I think that many, many people are not saying what they really think (and how can they, seeing that if anyone so much as mentions nobama name in a negative light, they are labeled racist?)…
when they are in the privacy of that voting booth, nobama will go back to being nobody.
The people I know who are Clinton supporters who are mostly feminist activists in the rape crisis center where I volunteer and professors at the local university, many in the women’s studies department. with a smattering of elders, my elderly mother and her friend — they always speak up. They certainly aren’t afraid to tell me — another middle-aged woman — what they think. They certainly told me plenty the last months after I switched to Obama.
And now those strong women are voting for Obama, too (except for one, who definitely not vote for McCain).
That’s because you’re young. You don’t realize that there’s entire states now that are offended.
PA, OHIO, WVA just to start.
What’s because I’m young?
And I never thought of 51 as young — thanks!
Well, then you should know better and know more people, too. LOL*
As I said below, at our age we know that it makes a huge difference who is president and McCain would hurt a lot of people. Is obama a risk in some ways? Sure. But we know what we’re getting with McCain and it is clearly dangerous.
ZERO percent lifetime rating from NARAL.
Against helping women to sue for wage discrimination.
For the war.
Against expanding health care.
He even voted against the Martin Luther King holiday and against the Violence Against Women Act.
Nope……what matters is the integrity of our institutions. Not personalities. They come and go.
The Democratic Party is a broken institution.
It has violated its own principles. It’s dead.
WOW, “Democrat” is really working overtime trolling–I hope he’s paid well (funny, too, he’s on solo tonight: where are the others?).
That is where you are wrong Democrat. I’m 52, my sisters are 53, 54, and 59. My mother is 79, and all of us are voting for McCain for the simple fact we don’t trust Obama. Nothing to do with party ideologues or anything else Democratic. We aren’t worried about Roe v Wade. We aren’t worried about women’s rights, we’ve lived this long fighting the good fight, and we’ll continue to fight the good fight. My mother as horrified over the treatment of Hillary Clinton. I was flat out pissed off with it and with the obvious bias of the DNC and the media too, of throwing this race to Obama. He did not earn this nomination. It was fixed for him from day one. They did not want another Clinton in the White House and they were going to make sure Clinton didn’t get in. So, now we are faced with the option of who is the next best thing. Obama or McCain? McCain is center right, Obama is far far left. McCain has over 20 years experience and is a war hero himself with a son in the US Marines over in Iraq. Obama has 2 years if you want to actually count up the days he has been in the Senate, and has never served in the military. Who is better qualified to serve as leader of the free world and the only remainig super power? A 2 year novice or a veteran who has 20 years of experience passing legislation under both Republicans and Democratic Presidents and congress? Its McCain all the way. That is what being 52 years old tells me, and what it tells my sisters and my mother.
*bingo*
double bingo! I’m 54 and my mama is 85…both of us life-long GA democrats and both of us are FULLY prepared to vote Republican this fall. We are not voting for McCain,, but against obama.
We don’t trust him and there is nothing that he can do to make me (or my mama) feel differently. There is too much water already under the bridge. He has shown his true nature and I don’t like what I see.
The people you have described:
I know at least 35 Clinton supporters, the vast majority of whom are women over 50. Some are long time feminist activists. Around half are lesbians. About 5 of them were delegates to my state’s Democratic convention. Around 6 are over 70. That’s who I know.
Sound pretty left and strictly in the Democrat column. These are people who vote for party no matter who the candidate is. You’re the leftist mirror image of the conservative Republican base and probably make up a similar 20% of the voting base.
The majority of Americans are centrists, and John McCain comes across as strong, honest, experienced and likable. Once again Democrats have mistakenly believed they are in touch with the American people. They’re wrong again.
That glass ceiling is going to come crashing down on you very soon.
I bet this one doesn’t know that today’s sex has to be reciprocal. *haha
(can’t believe I said this! :))
Whatever. I’m soooo over listening to you, I am under no circumstances voting Obambi. I am a young extremely progressive (after this election I want nothing to do with so called progressives) woman who lives in california and will be casting my ballot for a Republican. First time ever.
I’m sure your friends at the rape crisis center understood the blatant sexism and abuse thrown at Mrs. Clinton, and if they with a clean conscience can vote for the abusers, it’s something beyond my comprehension. I will not condone abuse at any level.
We know that Obama and his campaign weren’t a part of that sexism.
We also know that no opponent in a nomination contest has ever been expected to defend an opponent. If Obama had done so, he would have been criticized for being patronizing and for acting that a strong woman like Hillary Clinton wasn’t perfectly capable of defending herself.
At 50+, we know that getting a Republican in office would really hurt a lot of women. We lived through Reagan, you know, and now have W., whose policies have damaged an awful lot of people. That’s why we vote — to try to get policies that help folks.
“We know that Obama and his campaign weren’t a part of that sexism.”
Have you been living on the moon?!!!
All the examples people give are the pundits or the iron my shirt guys or the nutcracker sellers.
I haven’t seen any examples from Obama and his campaign, except his one “sweetie,” which isn’t great for sure, but isn’t a pattern of sexism.
What do you call playing the song 99 reasons but the bit** ain’t one of them at his Iowa ralley? What about the middle finger salute after PA, or maybe it was Ohio? What do you call his Annie Oakley with her six shooter remark? What do you call the brushing off of his shoulders and shoes? Did you know that was also in a song by Jayzee talking about hoe’s??? Or do you overlook it because it is convenient?
Um. I call the “99 reasons but the bit** ain’t one”,an example of stupidity. There is no proof that this ever happened, yet Hillary supporters go on and on and on about it. I call the Annie Oakley comment an example of Hillary supporters using the sexism card in much the same way that they claim Obama supporters used the racism card.”The middle finger salute.” You’ve got to be kidding me!
We know that Obama and his campaign weren’t a part of that sexism.
EXCUSE ME? You cannot be that naive! You’re 51 years old! No 51 year old could possibly follow this campaign and not know the BO campaign was behind all the sexism/race card/nastiness aimed at Hillary.
Now you’re just blowing smoke.
We know that Obama and his campaign weren’t a part of that sexism.
And now we know that despite your age, you’re still a completely blind moron cow-in-the-herd who will follow any damned golden calf towards your demise. We’ll be the ones at the top of the cliff throwing your Dem registration cards after your falling bodies.
Sweetie.
Death threats to Tavis Smiley?
People know what time it is.
Talks over, lets vote!
LOL…you are such a liar! Next you’re going to tell us you had dinner with the Clintons this past week and they all agreed that Nobama is a better candidate than Hillary. Hahahahahaha.
So these are the volunteers that Obama needed to inundate the blogosphere trying to lure, scare, threaten, cajole Clinton supporters. Hahahaha.
You’re doing a really bad job.
Haha, Democrat, you sure are doing everything to make us think that you are on our side. I don’t believe that you volunteer at a rape center. FYI, I’ve been raped and so has two of my sisters and many of my best friends and we don’t buy the fear card. I’m assuming you’re a male because you don’t seem to really understand the female perspective. From my personal experience, the women who have been abused are the MOST against Obama.
Ah those strong women - the ones in the women’s studies departments.
Makes me roll my eyes, for sure.
My great story about the academic feminist. She was so smug and self-riteous. At a departmental party, she announced that she always wore pants because she didn’t shave her legs and thought that was copping out.
There were a couple of secretaries around, heard her, and said, “Well, you can’t be too much of a feminist or you wouldn’t feel the need to hide your legs with hair under pants, now would you?!”
Academic department secretaries aren’t dummies and are vastly underrated.
I loved it.
Yeah, the secretaries (we call them adminsitrative assistants), they’re also voting for Obama. They need health care reform and they know that McCain most certainly won’t do anything for them. And their sons and nephews and nieces and daughters who are in the military — they want them home. McCain would keep them there and doesn’t even want them to have decent education benefits.
I can understand why it took you this long to go back to school.
Lordy, but you’re a bit naive.
If Obama is so rightous on the War, let him introduce a bill to cut off the funding.
He’s voted to fund Iraq every time it came up!
Really? Well I was doing some volunteer work over at the Nation of Islam and the secretaries there were saying they would’nt vote for Obama because they were afraid that since Obama is biracial he may have inherited the evilness of his “blue eyed white devil” maternal side.
actually they all called me today and they were laughing at you. they are playing you and because you are so stupid, you fell for it. they laugh at you behind your back. they are not voting for obama.
This is a topic for truthteller. Only s/he can do it justice.
Well, some of them. Also my Rosie the Riveter elders, the women at the rape crisis center, all sorts of women.
We’d all love to have a woman president. But it’s not happening this year. And we don’t want a pro-war, anti-choice conservative Republican in there.
With all the experience some at this site think McCain has, well, he’ll do a great job promoting his policies — keeping the Iraq war going, spending money on permanent bases in Iraq rather than health care, putting anti-choice judges on the court, you know, all the things he wants to accomplish.
You don’t get it either…we aren’t voting FOR McCain, we are voting against nobama. He has crossed a line with many, many of us, and he can never recover good will. It’s too late.
http://www.Democrats-Against-Obama.org
Obama’s healthcare policy SUCKS. His antiwar stance is a FAIRY TALE. Do you not know who you’re talking to? The commenters here are very-well informed on policy issues.
You’d have to be a pretty dumb administrative assistant to think Obama’s health plan is anything but what it is - a bureaucratic nightmare that would give tons of money to the pharmaceutical company and insurance industries that have been his biggest donors.
The DNC leadership are total fools. They are using Obama to purge the party of the Clintons…Obama is a sociopath..he uses people..he isn’t used. Just look under the bus..I was thinking today…has any long term friend come foreward to support Obama? He has no friends and he sure as hell isn’t going to be anyones sock puppet.
I should have watched the Cavuto vid before making my suggestion.
Good to hear they had a tele-conference.
Something I just don’t get. We Dems agree to disagree. Period. We don’t like, trust, or want Obama anywhere near the WH. We all have our reasons, very thought out reasons, btw. We’ve researched Obama, listened and made a decision, NO BO, No deal, and even more importantly this means no to the DNC.
Try as you may, I don’t think you’ll change even one mind.
This gal is bitter and clings to her gun she doesn’t own, and her religion. She can afford to chew on arugula no matter what it costs, and she also picks her own dandilion, so with that said:
I am Just saying NO to O.
Now, please be nice and don’t pretend we are irresponsible with our decisions.
Hillary/McCain
rise Hillary rise!
Never Obama
What policies that Obama supports do you disagree with?
His statement that he will sit down without precondition with some of the most brutal leaders of some of the most despotic governments in the world.
As far as his “policies” he flip-flops so fast I can’t keep up with him…for example his statements about Israel vs Palestine.
And when Hillary dared to say that at the NH debate about his flip-flopping, which I think is a very legitimate campaign issue, she suffered through massive negative press.
Everything Hillary said was spot on.
It’s so true!! Obama flipflops so suddenly that I never know where he stands! I don’t trust him at all because he’s a major sell-out!
His character. Period.
Obama is a con and flim flammer - assisted by the DNC, Obamedia, and Washington establishment.
This “socialized medicine” (snark) of his. Invading Pakistan. Talking to rogue leaders of North Korea, Syria, Venezuela and Iran in his first term without preconditions. Doubling the capital gains tax rate. Infanticide. Sexism.
How about his yes vote on the Bush/Cheney energy bill? Tax giveaways to oilcompanies
I may be going on Cavuto this week to discuss our student group’s endorsement of McCain and McKinney.
Good for you!
That’s great! Let us know when.
If you are accustomed to being in media studios, good; if not, go to a local one so you are not thrown off balance and into self-consciousness by the novelty of the experience.
Blessings? Break a leg? [i.e., insert appropriate benediction here]
I’m a california democrat planning to vote repub in the fall for the first time in my life.
I’m a GA democrat, life-long, dyed in the wool and I NEVER thought I would be prepared to vote Republican, EVER…but on Nov. 4th if BO is the nominee, I will cast my vote for John McCain.
personally, it’s about judgement, relationships, honesty, Character. Add in the DNC and the crooked leadership and…well, you’ve lost me too.
No turning back ,too late. It’s about Democracy. Count every vote. Make every vote a whole vote. Where was the outrage from Precious?
He’s not capable of an emotion as complex as outrage. About as close as he will get is massively peeved when he loses the election.
Or depressed.
He responds to defeats in a passive-aggressive way.
I don’t think anyone here is crying. More like mad as you know what and not going to take it anymore.
I donated a buck to McCain.
to help his internet donor count!
Hillary or McCain.
Good idea!
Wonderful interview! Thank you Diane! I think the point you made in the end about why you won’t entertain the idea of supporting Obama because he has less experience than Hillary Clinton and John Mccain, should be the theme and motto of the nodeal and puma organizations. From the beginning of the primaries I kept insisting that people supporting HRC would have an easier time supporting Mccain rather than Obama because they are looking for experience and a proven track record.
To me another inexperienced president is worse than another republican president. I think Pumas and Nodeal may get more attention from the media and the DNC if this is the main argument. I agree that there was plenty of sexism and media bias, but it doesn’t seem to be selling our cause.
I agree with most of what you said, except I think the sexism angle is what the media is now interested in. Experience argument isn’t juicy enough for them.
Whose paying attention to the media now, anyway?
Frankly, I think the blogs give the media the power. I really do.
They lost 17 million viewers on network news last year. NOBODY is watching. LOL*
We need to put the media into perspective. They are minor players.
The biggest selling point for Obama is the fear over Roe versus Wade. Any other woman here tired of this fear card? I sure am.
The biggest selling point for McCain is his experience and foreign policy.
Obama is still a pig in the poke for voters.
McCain is the security vote.
Nobody trusts Obama. We certainly don’t even like his supporters.
Nobody really likes McCain. We certainly aren’t impressed with his personal life values.
It’s a wash.
I have always said, it comes down to your personal priorities for the presidency. I think people reelected Bush, a very unpopular president, because they did not want the guys in Iraq to suffer more. Change means more soldiers die. We know that.
Bush won because of that.
So we’re faced again with priorities.
I hate the worst of the Patriot Act crap. I don’t see McCain as a big war-monger. I think he does support Iraq. I think he truly believes the surge is working.
I hate the Democratic Party today. It’s foul. Smelly. Not worthy.
I still don’t know what I will do.
I just know. The Democrats are dirty.
This is an excellent article on Roe v Wade by Michael C. Dorf, a FindLaw columnist, who is a professor of law at Columbia University School of Law.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/23/ctv.dorf.roevwade/index.html
If media are “interested” in that argument it is because it is self-defeating.
I don’t see how it’s self-defeating, it got Diane interviewed plus others, not to mention a whole movement started. Oh yeah, and the sexism was real, it needs to be discussed.
whinging about -isms and bias is utterly counterproductive.
My God why can’t people see that? When the Obamanates complain of racism, or the Neocons of antisemitism, what is your knee-jerk reaction? And how does anybody imagine that whinging on and on and on and on about misogyny/sexism, is any different? Doesn’t matter how true it is.
Whining about whining makes you the biggest asshole of them all.
Who was that tart being interviewed???!!!! She is opposing Obama because he is less qualified than Obama?!!?? That IS sour grapes!!! How about this?? DENNIS KUCINICH IS VASTLY MORE QUALIFIED THAN OBAMA OR CLINTON!!! And he didn’t even get the damn right to debate!!! Take your poor little woe is me story elsewhere. Kucinich was the only candidate not bought and owned by big corporations and who doesn’t have a portfolio of corruption that stretches from here to Little Rock. Where were you cry babies when he got OUTED??!!! Trying to pass Hillary Clinton off as a poor, victimized folk hero. PUH-Lease!! MAKES ME GAG!!
What? *blink*
I’ll be gentle. Maybe you’re an ADHD type person who can’t track.
ROTFLMAO!
Man-A-LIVE! WTF was that? LOL!
That came from left field.:)
Hey Doomandgloom, what did she do that makes you call her a tart? If you have a DENNIS KUCINICH hard on go start your on site jerk.
by the way, sour grapes isn’t the appropriate term here…sour grapes is when you pretend you really didn’t want something because you failed to get it.
Obama supporters have misused the term so much that the stupid media has accepted the new definition.
Ohhhhhhh, the Obama babies are scared. doomandgloom, did the bright lady on the tv. make you sad and cry?
If you think that was sad, wait until you see how many people are joining PUMA and will vote against obama in November.
Good G-d, Ed, is that you? I pointed to this site for you for information, not for you to start some crazy pro-Kucinich b.s.
so take your vomit and hit the door.
I think that because the charge of sexism and media bias is essentially aimed at them, the media and DNC, they are less likely to take it seriously. I am not saying that aspect should be dropped, but I think they would take the experience factor more seriously, as they just don’t care about sexism - to them it will always be sour grapes.
It’s because the MSM is sexist that they want to interview PUMAS so they can mock us and say we’re just sore losers. But it gives us the forum to explain all of our reasons to say NODEAL.
I’m glad they are getting some good media exposure. Let these idiots know we mean business because no matter whether some of us vote McCain, stay home or write Hillary in, Obama still feels that pain. Enough is enough of the Democratic party taking us for granted. We have been abused this election in ways I never thought possible. Now, we fight back.
What’s the next step after the media buzz?
Since PumaPac is a 527 they should be able to take ads out to take Obama down. Maybe sooner rather than later if there is any chance for Hillary to get back on the ballot. 18 million people disagreed with the Party’s choice so we have strength in numbers.
Yes, plenty of material for the ads!
Diane Mantouvalos, you are incredibly perceptive, prophetic and correct!
“The party is fractured” indeed and your site “Just Say No Deal” is a phenomenally vital and timely organization that is far more popular than you can imagine! Hillary got more respect from McCain (consistently) than the misogynist Obama supporters who pushed their limping candidate to the superdel finish line with an able assist from the media frat-boys.
“I have no doubt that Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a great President”—Sen. McCain 2005, Bahgdad, responding to the late Tim Russert, Meet the Press.
Senator Obama: “Her claws are coming out. Periodically, she feels low, gets moody and launches attacks” See his YuTube mega-hit:
“Obama Gives HIllary the Finger” —that’s change we can believe in, eh Barack!
I saw Obama’s disrespectful Youtube hit:
‘OBAMA GIVES HILLARY THE FINGER’ and it was incredibly sexist and disgusting. My 14-year old son explained to me that Obama “flip-offed” HIllary in full view than did a JayZ rapper act dusting off Hillary clinton from his shoulders and “scraping the s*it” off his shoes. Is this Junior High smug arrogant teenie bopper really going to be …President!?? Help!!!!
THANK YOU, DIANE MANTOUVALOS!
You go, girl! Rage agaisnt the Obamyopics’ killing off the Light…Let the light shine in from beneath these 18 million cracks!!!!!Fight back against Dean’s new Chicago thuggery…Don’t let Hussein knock off the ballot yet another Sen. Alice Palmer..
This is wonderful - I see so many people organizing against Obama I just can’t imagine there is a precedent for this- is there? This is my first involvement in a primary so I’m not sure if this is normal or as I suspect not typical.
Can someone also pls tell me why Taylor Marsh is saying that Hillary will suffer the consequences if Obama is not elected? What is she talking about? I used to go to her site all the time, but she has turned into an Obamabot - amazing what a traitor!
Taylor is in it for pro-Dem ratings and nothing else. She doesn’t understand the methodology of making/letting Obama fail so Hillary can succeed in 2012.
I don’t understand the traitors who spent so many months ripping Obama down only to support him now because of “the party”. Bullshit, and it’s almost as much bullshit as those idiots who came right out and said “I believe Clinton is the best candidate, but I’m supporting Obama anyway”.
taylor marsh has her head in the wrong position on her body. i am beginning to think it is all about her. jeralyn at talk left will support the democratic nominee. she said it all along and i respect that. she reserves the right to disagree and criticize. and she sure doesn’t let crap fly like hillary will suffer the consequences, blah, blah, blah. taylor, you did a good job for awhile, not please shut up.
I love these outspoken people. PUMA Rocks!!! Keep speaking out. I just read on someone’s blog, that a couple of superdelegates e-mailed someone back, with the comment, that she and others have not given up on Hillary, and to keep writing, and sending articles, and don’t give up. Help retire Hillary’s debt, so that she will owe the Obama campaign nothing, and to let the DNC know that we are still here, and we are still backing our candidate. It is a long time until August, and anything can happen. I am 53, my mother is 76, my 2 daughters are 25 and 28-all huge Hillary supporters. If it can’t be Hillary this year, then we will vote McCain. BTW, just attended a party and everyone there, about 15 of us, and not is going to vote BO. Keep up the great work everyone. Hillary 08, or McCain.
Boy, she was a GREAT speaker! Thanks Diane Mantouvalos! God Bless you for all your hard work! You have created a MOVEMENT!
Just Say No Deal.
PUMA!
PUMA = Bush supporters
plain and simple,
People lose elections all the time, move on, get on board to help advace your values not your ego