Breaking: It’s not a rumor any more
By PaganPower on June 16, 2008 at 12:30 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, New York Times, Sexism
There has been much speculation of late as to what will happen to Hillary’s delegates at the Democratic National Convention. As everyone by now knows, Hillary suspended (did not quit) her campaign and threw her support behind Barack Obama. And because technically, she did not quit her campaign, equally as technically she did not release her delegates. This has been the root source of much confusion and rumor.
On June 7th, 2008 the New York Times published a piece about disaffected Hillary Voters. A Hillary supporter, Cynthia Ruccia of Women for Fair Politics, was interviewed.
Clinton Bloc Becomes the Prize for Election Day
When Mr. Dean reached out to Cynthia Ruccia, who started an organization of female Clinton swing-state voters threatening to vote for Mr. McCain, Ms. Ruccia asked that the Democratic convention include a symbolic first ballot for Mrs. Clinton’s delegates. Mr. Dean discouraged the idea on the grounds of unity.
Party Unity? When Dr. Dean lost his bid for the nomination his name was placed onto the first ballot. And he had a total of 167.5 delegates. Ted Kennedy had the right to contest the nomination when he was 1000 delegates behind Carter. So since when is recognizing and rewarding someone with 1640 pledged delegates discouraging party unity?
Being unable to find a definitive answer to this question I called the DNC this morning and spoke with a woman in the Chairman’s office. HERE is what I learned in that phone call today:
I explained to DNC employee in the Chairman’s office that I was confused by what I had read and asked her if what the New York Times article said was true. Was Dr. Dean discouraging placing Hillary’s name onto the first ballot because of party unity?
Her answer shocked me. She told me it was true. She said that Hillary Clinton had decided to support Barack Obama, therefore her name would not be placed on the ballot.
So I then asked her if Hillary Clinton had decided that she did not want her name placed into nomination on the first ballot. Her answer was that she couldn’t speak for Hillary Clinton. At least she got that much right. And she and the DNC do not speak for Hillary supporters either.
I do not know where this will go from here but I do know that history and precedent favor placing Hillary’s name on the first ballot. If Dean and his puny 167.5 delegates got onto the ballot (in 2004), then the person with the most votes in Democratic primary history certainly deserves equal treatment. Anything less isn’t fair or right. And it sure isn’t party unity.
Stay Tuned!
Appreciate the update but with all the rumors and liars out and about I’ll wait until I hear Hillary say something to clarify.
Regardless I will not be voting for Obama.
I agree with you! I also think that as long as she keeps her delegates she has to be placed on the first ballot! Obama doesn’t have enough to get the nomination automatically on pledged delegates alone!
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You’d better modify your website since the overwhelming majority of those 18 million voices are now backing Obama–Strickland, Rendell, Solis-Doyle, Granholm, Wasserman-Schultz, Boxer, Feinstein, Waters, Rangel, Vilsack, Corzine, Carville, Begala, Bayh.
Everybody else has moved on except you silly little kids playing spy games in this dark little corner of the Internet.
And, FYI, Hillary’s name will not be on the first ballot of the convention. Obama is in charge and Pelosi is the chair. Hillary will be lucky if she’s allowed to use the restroom!
Hey tuna… go find a sea.
Yep, 14 names out of 18 million–an Obama majority.
Yeah,by their math anyway.
really?
Then explain this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPHElA7oo
Lot of good that attitude will do for the general election. Ditto Dean keeping Hillary off the first ballot.
We’re not just ’silly little kids.’ You exude the sentiment that will keep some of us from voting, and ensure some of us vote for McCain.
Not sure how anyone in the DNC can imagine an Obama win in November when the party is this splintered. With over 40 groups and dozens of websites standing up against the DNC’s boy of choice, you’ll be lucky if you win 5 states come November.
yeah, yeah, yeah. “i’m going to vote for mccain. I’m going to destroy Obama. I’m going to nominate hillary at the convention.”
blah, blah, blah. if you couldn’t get the nomination for hillary when she was overwhelmingly favored, you’ll be sucking down Obama’s dust as he cruises to victory on 11/4!
Cluck, it will be fun watching you guys lose come November.
Please, keep up the hatred. It strengthens our resolve.
The only ones sucking down Obama’s dust will be anyone standing behind him as he flees the country to the jurisdiction of his choice that does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S. after McCain administers that terribly humiliating and embarrassing ass-kicking in the GE. After Obama doesn’t succeed in stealing the Presidency, and Rezko realizes he’s not gonna get that pardon and starts singing, Obama will be running so fast he’ll make even realchicken look brave.
Always nice to read a comment by someone who’s paying attention.
Great comment Missy. I guess Obama will sing his church\pastor slogan “american chickens are coming home to roost”… OBAMA will not be in the White House but the FEDS have a nice Jail House after the investigation of his involvemnt with Rezko and his involvement with the murder of his Choirmaster Donald Young.
I was going to reply to you, realchicken, but it isn’t worth it. I prefer intelligent discussions. Maybe you should check the rules on what “suspending” a campaign means. And, dear child, if Sen. Clinton’s name is not put into nomination then there will be a greater loss in November. Most of us believe we still live in a democracy, not a dictatorship or a theocracy.
Aren’t you just the sweetest thing. Are those “old” politicians you named part of the “New” politics? They are just SDs, not representative of all voters.
Guess he can’t get elected without the “old” after all.
really chicken,
Copying & Pasting you comments.
So when they ask me why PUMA? I can show them your words.
WIN WITHOUT ME!
BOWL!!!!
really chicken,
Copying & Pasting your comments.
So when they ask me why PUMA? I can show them your words.
WIN WITHOUT ME!
BOWL!!!!
Obama is very unlikely to win. I can’t see true Americans voting for a man that has sat for 20 yrs in a racist, anti-America church. Get real. It’s too bad they got in such a hurry to get a black man to run against Hillary that they didn’t take time to vet him. There are plenty of decent black people why choose one that hates America and has a wife that’s even worse.
Chick–Perhaps Hillary should be banned from the convention altogether, along with Bill. Waddya think?
Another Unity pony/phony express charge. Don’t these Dumb Bastards realise every time they show off their stupidity and misogny that the Great Dem. hope loses another vote. As long as these bastards think they are the Dem. party I won’t be.
–Strickland, Rendell, Solis-Doyle, Granholm, Wasserman-Schultz, Boxer, Feinstein, Waters, Rangel, Vilsack, Corzine, Carville, Begala, Bayh.
I count 13 and all but Rendell and Strickland have no pull for large numbers. Then if you combine the fact that neither will accept the VP slot, tell yourself all you want that the support is there–it’s there only in passing to portray a unified Democratic Party.
Face it. It’s broken. As a Libertarian I look forward to many moving to the LP. All that’s needed is some viable candidates and some infrastructure personnel who respect the Platform of the LP and you’ll see the third largest party finally get some voices in the Congress.
Amen brother! The LP already has a viable candidate with Bob Barr. Like many here, I feel that Hillary got the shaft. I will not vote for Obama, but I also cannot vote for that geriatric Panamanian octoroon McCain. Before you reply back that a vote for Barr is a wasted vote- remember: no one thought Obama would get the nomination, nor did anyone believe that McCain could beat Giuliani or Romney. Before you cast your vote for the oil lobby’s love slave, at least take at look at what Barr has to offer.
Find a single credible poll that shows bar getting over 10% of the vote. If Barr, or Nader, or the yet to be decided Green Candidate start polling over 30% then they are worth considering.
Not to be suspicious, but you hurl insults at McCain but not Obama. I suspect that you are an Obama supporter trying to pull McCain voters away to help Obama.
well that kind of thinking is surely a *party unifer*. good luck with that thought.
I have long thought that this primary was all about vanquishing the Cintons. That it worked with such a thinly qualified, short term senator, who happens to be black, is testament to how sinister the Democratic Party elite really is and how powerfully they hate the Clintons.
Power that grows out of hatred is rotten to the core. The end does not justify the means. But what does ethics have to do with it? Call off your old tired ethics, right?
the individuals you refrred To have to go along for the good OF THE party. the other
17 and 3/4 million do not…….we are the backbone of t party and we owe no alliegence . the dnc treated women like they were dispensable …..stay tuned!!
It is this example of Obama supporters and their attitude that make me very comfortable that I do not want to unite with them for any purpose.
Sweetie,
We’ll see who’s elected in November!
***HILLARY HAS NOT RELEASED HER DELEGATES***
ROLL CALL AT THE CONVENTION
WITH HILLARY CLINTON’S NAME ON THE BALLOT!!!
You are not 18 million nothing how dare you assume to speak for every person that voted for Hillary?? I am one and I REFUSE to be counted in your GANG you better change your tag line.
For the person that asked about Hillary along with the email she sent out there is also an interview with her in New York Magazine here http://nymag.com/news/politics/47837/
Dean said she has to be nominated to be on the ballot. Aye, that’s the rub!
And that is why they don’t want her name on that ballot—they are afraid!!! They have been strong-arming and threatening the pledged and super delegates, trying to replace some with Obama supporters, and who knows what else, because they know what we all know—that this isn’t over yet! What they are slow to learn, however, is that the more they try to intimidate delegates and voters, the more adamant we become in our efforts to defeat Obama and take this country back. So, have at it, Obama, DNC and thugs, but know this, there is nothing you can do to keep us from defeating Obama in November. We will literally drag ourselves to the polls if we have to, but you are all going to be taught a lesson, and that is, although the Dem party no longer means anything, democracy still does!
Not only are we for Hillary, but if they want to use their Chicago style, we will not vote for the judas, and the unfaithful delegates, super delegates, and whoever else pisses us off. So they have something else to think about. June 18th is going to be very interesting. Que sera, sera. GOD BLESS AMERICA! FROM MY LIPS TO GODS EARS!
And where is Hillary? Why have we heard nothing from her lately? Anybody have any news on that end?
I received E Mail from Hillary this afternoon 1: 00 central time with a Thank You and a Photo Album of her campaign.
You can donate from this EMail if you receive it.
Sandy
Kentucky
I did to, and I will donate …
What are we donating for? Do we know it’s not going to Barky????
Also, the last line in the letter was “…I’ll be in touch soon”. Wondering, what that means…
Please go to http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com. She has all the details. Your donation will go directly to the retirement of the campaign debt, which will empower Hillary and send a cristal clear message to the DNC, who is in bad need of money and doesn’t get any from the “no deal” community. Your donation cannot go to another candidate or another means without your written consent.
it is federal law that Hillary can only use the donations to pay off her debt
she has to get your permission to use it for anything else
FEC law
I don’t want a thank you; I want some action on her part.
PUMA
like what??
she was forced to drop and endorse Uhhbama
her supporters seats were threatened in NYC
Greg Meeks for example
Charlie Rangle and 20 others got on the phone with her and threatened her supporters careers if they did not drop out…..
To everything there is a season… and now ain’t it. Dramatic effect and, quite possibly, the Rep’s and whatever ammo they have are going to determine when and how she rises.
Something is blowin’ in the wind but a Dylanesque answer isn’t what I’m smelling.
here’s a copy of what my email from Hillary said today
Dear Dawn,
Together, you and I changed America forever. We touched so many lives over the course of this campaign, and I can’t thank you enough for the support you showed me. I met so many wonderful people out on the trail, and I wanted to share some of those memories with you.
I hope you’ll take a moment to view our online album with some favorite photos from the campaign.
Thank you so much — I’ll be in touch soon.
Sincerely,
HILLARY
Really odd, huh, Dawnelle? Damn, I love her.
I got one, too, and sent a donation. There’s a nice article about a Hillary interview in New York magazine feature on Ben Smith’s blog at Politico:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Clinton_now.html
God(dess) bless Ben Smith!!
I just opened mine. Her e-mails are always clear.
Boy, is this one not so clear. LOL*
I’m not doing one blasted thing.
I felt like the message was…..sit tight.
same sent $10
Obamaphobe!!!just chill out and wait, that what Bill said, so just be very patient…..
I hope HRC stays out of sight and let’s that asshole sink, rapidly, on his own.
I DO TO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPHElA7oo
Nice video!!!
Thanks
Cool Video. We Miss you Hillary!
Did you know that the characters that represent the number 18 and the word Life in Hebrew are the same?
As do I. and I can’t wait.
Obama use of the words “kikes” and “niggers”
(in print)back in 1996, makes him one of the most vile political figures ever and yet apparently he is trying to keep Hillary off the Denver first ballot.
*****
Please note I’m quoting the EXACT text that Obama wrote in the FIRST EDITION 1996, the later Second Edition 2004 has mysteriously SCRUBBED these words.
*****
Whether because of New York’s density or because of its scale, it was only [there] that I began to grasp the almost mathematical precision with which America’s race and class problems joined; the bile that flowed freely not just out on the streets but in the stalls of Columbia’s bathrooms as well, where, no matter how many times the administration tried to paint them over, the walls remained scratched with blunt correspondence between niggers and kikes.
Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.254 Aug 1, 1996
He’s QUOTING the language written on the walls. I might as well accuse YOU of using those words.
You’re being very dishonest.
Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-16 12:57:13
He’s QUOTING the language written on the walls. I might as well accuse YOU of using those words.
You’re being very dishonest.
You obviously need reading comprehension skills Slim.
Here is the quote again and then I will walk you through it ok, ok?
” no matter how many times the administration tried to paint them over, the walls remained scratched with blunt correspondence between niggers and kikes.”
Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.254 Aug 1, 1996
Slim you will notice that Obama could have said Blacks and Jews, he himself chose his own VILE words instead. Also Obama did not quote any of the actual content on the bathroom walls, he actually only called it “correspondence”.
I can understand why in the Second Edition that came out in 2004 , the sudden and obvious DELETION of Obama’s VILE words.
You have the reading comprehension problems, the point of Obama’s word selection was clearly to illustrate the racial animosity even present in the bathrooms of an Ivy League school.
Those were the words written on the stalls, and he used them because of that. You are purposefully misconstruing the passage.
No doubt it was edited because of the likes of you.
Thank you Slim for setting the record straight. Clearly the same crazy attempt folks used to smear the words from his other book The Audacity of Hope.
I thought it was the Mendacity of Dope.
I thought it was the Capacity of Nope
LOL!
Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-16 13:24:32
You have the reading comprehension problems, the point of Obama’s word selection was clearly to illustrate the racial animosity even present in the bathrooms of an Ivy League school.
Those were the words written on the stalls, and he used them because of that. You are purposefully misconstruing the passage.
Those words WERE NOT written on the wall in the context of what Obama had written. Obama described the content as “blunt correspondence” and he described the authors of said content as “niggers and kikes”. Obama could just as well described the authors as blacks and jews, instead of his VILE and disgusting words used.
Source:Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.254 Aug 1, 1996
PS. I’m done trying to convey the truth to you it’s all there as 100% fact for anybody to grasp truthfully, if they so wish.
Look, you know the truth — Obama was demonstrating the “bluntness” of the “correspondence” by using the very words written on those bathroom walls. It was demonstrative.
It’s ridiculous to think that he just used those words as straightfoward LABELS, using bigoted slurs out of nowhere (one of which has been used against HIM!).
Cmon, stop it. You should be better than this.
And you Obamabutts should be better than to come to a website such as this merely to insult and gloat to Hillary supporters. But you’re not. And I understand why — this is the only “victory” by Obama you’ll get to celebrate. You and your ilk are an excellent representation of Obama and everything he stands for, which is why McCain is going to be the next President.
Won’t work. No matter how often you give us your explanation, we have reading comprehension skills. Now I invite you to leave us alone and be a good, little obot, and let the grown ups talk.
STick that head in the sand. Ignore the obvious truth. Whatever makes you feel good.
FUCK YOU — dimwitted jerk.
GO AWAY — sexist jerks, assholes Obamabots go away.
You and your master snObama are sexist snots.
What is wrong with you?
More W.O.R.M.- What Obama Really Meant. Why is it that his every devotee has to explain the nuance of his words?
All he had to do was put quotes around the words, like this “kikes.” That would have made it clear.
Did they delete that whole paragraph…or change the words?
So this was in the first edition? Because I can’t find it in my copy here.
Slim… stop attacking someone, who is using proofs it is in Obamas book, as this person is using quotation from…
Maybe You should read this book to, before You attack anyone!
Actually I take greater exception to his portrayal of NYC (as well as the use of those two words).
just because HE SAID it doesn’t mean YOU HAVE TO REPEAT IT! Just the letter would suffice unless you get pleasure out of typing those words?
I’d rather not ever read them!! DAVE
Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-06-16 13:21:22
just because HE SAID it doesn’t mean YOU HAVE TO REPEAT IT! Just the letter would suffice unless you get pleasure out of typing those words?
I’d rather not ever read them!! DAVE
Oh really, I should instead bury my head in the sand and cover for Obama’s VILE words. If it was somebody who was not running for PUBLIC office you can be sure I would not waste anyones time posting the TRUTH, BUT Obama is anything about the truth and he is a PUBLIC figure, as such his words, even if they are VILE and DISGUSTING have the right to see the light of day for others to see.
I have quoted FACTS that are in PUBLIC record and in FACT in print by Obama, maybe you need to take your displeasure of the facts straight to the Obama campaign and let them know you also find his words VILE and DISGUSTING.
Don’t shoot the messenger, that being me.
Those are indeed vile words, but QUOTING them is not vile. Obama was talking about racism in America, and he could make the exact same argument you’re making (don’t bury your head in the sand and cover for racism).
Look, I think you know that Obama was calling people those two words — he was QUOTING the bathroom stalls and the racist correspondence that can be found even in academic settings.
Given the fact that Obama himself has been called one of the vile words on plenty of occasions, it’s pretty disgusting for you to turn around and accuse him of using it himself.
I think you guys need to take some graduate level courses or something since Obamabots are supposed to be so intellectually superior to the rest of us mere mortals. It is very easy to see what Obama is up to here. He is stewing the embers of hate. He doesn’t give a damned about making the world a better place or healing racial strife or anything positive.
All he is interested in is power, authority and domination. He needs hate to accomplish this. By sowing anger and resentment he benefits by having a unified voting block. Unfortunately, he isn’t the one who will be hurt by this crap. He is eroding all the strides we made toward dampening racism and sexism and he is doing it intentionally. Just who in the hell do you think is going to pay for his behavior if the majority of folks in this country get fed up with being the object of hate and scorn? You Obamabots need to start using some common sense and wake up to the real world. There are real world consequences for every action and the vast majority of those don’t go according to plan.
heh
“he was QUOTING the bathroom stalls “…
And this is where he gets his reading material? So much for a Harvard education, Princeton as well!!!
“And the words of the Prophets are written on …”..
Obama does not self edit much does he? His racist views ring loud and clear.
tap,tap,tap?
it’s an insult to read those words no matter who is quoting them.
that is my opinion
I think it’s as easily said with only the letter. Why go down in the dirt with the person who quoted them.
YUCK is all I’m saying
b/c some of us our adults
OMG! LOL!!!! Pampers hanging out, looking for some tearoom trade between International Relations Classes, in the toilets of Columbia reads shithouse graffiti and deduces “America’s race and class Problems” LOL!!!
Obamanation! He’s all yours!
ROSEERITER… SOMEHOW i BELIEVE THAT IS IS NOT A RUMOR. I BELIEVE, THAT DEAN AND HIS GAND WILL DO ALL DIRTY THINGS, TO DESTRY HILLARY. BUT…. SHE IS WELL PREPARE FOR THAT, AND I HOPE, SHE WILL MAKE A QUICK DECISION FOR US, WHO STAIS WITH HER, ALL THE WAY. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT DNC ANYMORE, AND OBAMA. I DONT TRUST THEM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE DESTORYING DEMOCRATIC PARTY, FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN, AND POWER. IT IS NOT ABOUT AMERICA FOR THEM , NOT ANYMORE IT IS ONLY ABOUT “THEM”
Un freaking believable!!!!!
Dean you have turned into such a SCAM
What you STOOD FOR
What you FOUGHT FOR
What you PREACHED
R U hallucinating???
R U on HopeyDust????
R U in need on an intervention???
Me thinks so because you R turning into a PITIFUL excuse for a DEMOCRACY and VOTER’s RIGHTS Advocate! U R as inept as GW. How’s it feel?
U R A PIG
There has been an amber alert for Dean’s mind, along with the rest of them, apparently, STILL no sign of intelligent life.
Boy, doesn’t feel as if you’ve taken Carrie to the prom?
LOL @ amber alert for his mind!
guess what? I agree.
lol*……yup
P.U.M.A Spokesperson, Will Bower shall be appearing on Fox News on Your World with Neil Cavuto at 1645Hrs EST (4:45pm for all of you who don’t use the 24 Hour Clock .
Be sure to tune in.
I’m with you on this one. I will not vote for Obama even though the media and the Democratic party insists that Clinton supporter will fall in line.
me either!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPHElA7oo
“Barack Obama’s campaign envisions a path to the presidency that could include Virginia, Georgia and several Rocky Mountain states, but not necessarily the pair of battlegrounds that decided the last two elections — Florida and Ohio.” according to MSNBC 06/16/08
What do Florida and Ohio think now?
“That promise was also given by Obama, who said Friday night, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” -
Critics have questioned why a candidate who promotes a new kind of politics planned such bare-knuckles tactics.” according to MSNBC 06/16/08
OMG…if this is indeed what they plan to do…not even have Hillary’s name on the ballot…then this incarnation of the Democratic party is indeed dead.
I also predict that the obama/DNC/Dean/Pelosi/DonnaB camp will do whatever it takes to squash ANY glimmer of protest aroused by this heinous action.
Why is this so “heinous”? Clinton has said that she supports Obama, and she might have NO problem not being on the ballot (like Edwards) for purely symbolic purposes.
Edwards the a** still has fantasies about being his VP …. not that the Breck boy should hold his breath.
Don’t use political smears against Edwards.
You really is a snotty tyranny.
That’s not a smear. He stated yesterday he’s open to the VP spot.
It’s in the news.
Now we get why Elizabeth was coy and wouldn’t endorse Hillary.
I was referring to the “Breck boy” reference — a lame smear aimed as emasculating yet another Democratic politician.
Where is your righteousness when people are called f*wad and a*swipe on Daily Kos?
I don’t like that either — but I especially hate it when, for example, (1) Edwards gets insulted with stupid smears aimed at emasculating him and (2) Clinton gets demonized with sexist smears aimed at her. The “Chris Matthews” school of insults and barbs are the worst. Clinton got it the worst of the three, and I will defend all three (Obama, Clinton and Edwards) from smears.
I dont believe you.
And they are effeminate, just WHY are they misogynist?
Because they’re a pack of ugly embittered girls, projecting.
I look at Pfouffle, I listen to Pfouffle, and I see girl.
Sorry.
What?
That doesn’t make any sense. Who is this pack of “ugly embittered girls, projecting”?
Seriously, I wish people would STOP using “girl” as an insult, for both men AND women.
That’s why we call Edwards Breck BOY.
So it shouldn’t bother you, Slim.
“Breck Boy” is a stupid smear and you know it. I don’t think Clinton supporters should use that just like I think Obama supporters shouldn’t call Clinton a “b****” (which is FAR worse, in my opinion, but both are wrong).
Why is FAT Obamabot still here??
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
You do realize that calling John Edwards a Breck boy just means he seems kind of dumb and spends too much time on his hair? That is not emasculating, unless you think only women spend so much money at the hair salon. People are ripping on his vanity.
I agree with you, Slim. It is insulting to women to call Edwards a woman to insult him. It is akin to ,”You throw like a girl.”
PS-I do enjoy all of the Obama nicknames so I am not above the fray. We should just work hard not go too far down the road of women and race haters.
Clinton supporters have been called vile names for 7 months in the democratic blogs.
I didn’t see anybody named Slim Tyranny bothered by it.
Maybe Slim is a Breck boy too?
“Maybe Slim is a Breck boy too?”
Are childish insults really the way to go? I just spoke out against stupid smears against Democrats, and I have defended Clinton just as much as Obama and Edwards.
You should grow up.
You are a LIAR — by being here as an snObamabot — you are an ugly two faced liar.
Go back to your hole in GAZA — you nitwit. FAT SLOB.
Jesus, what’s wrong with you?
His hair fucking emasculates him. Sometimes I can’t tell the difference between John Ritter (God rest his soul) and John Edwards. Face it - he is a foppish metrosexual ass clown.
His hair? Really?
You should be better than a stupid smear.
See above comment. Do you even understand what a “smear” is? Making fun of his hair is not a “smear.”
smear noun 5. slander, libel, defamation, vilification, whispering campaign, calumny, mudslinging
Making fun of his hair = mudslinging. Or do you think that name-calling based on total superficialities is higher political discourse?
Oh mud, so that’s what he uses on his hair. I did wonder.
Making fun of his hair is OK- calling it “girl hair” is not. Remember Janet Reno’s hair and all the mean stuff said about her looks- which were really jabs against gender.
Also- calling Hillary supporters “pantsuits” is another way to insult women. Why not just “suits”? Do men wear pantsuits??
Despite the DNC’s best efforts, this is still a democracy and I can say exactly what I mean to say. You are not the boss of me, sweetie
Oh Slim ….honey … see a therapist.
Edwards has his head so far up Obama’s a** hoping to be the VP he said he didn’t want to be…. he will do anything!
OMG ….. disgusting
Hillary or McCain (or both) ‘08
Edwards better watch out; he’s liable to run into Richardson there.
SLIM TYRANNY… Hillary has no choice but to say” I am fully supporting Obama”, it was what they demend from Hillary; DNC and Obama now DNC co-owner with Dean, Pelosi,Reid,Richardson. Obama is the ugly boss…
Stop to be so naive and read between lines!!!, or You just dont understand or choose not to, what is truly going on in DNC!!!
They are so afraid of clintons and heir supporters that they don’t want take any chances in case SD decide to go for Hillary in the convention.
They can kiss my a… and say godd bye to unity!!
If the SDs were to change their minds en masse and back Clinton, I think we’d have some warning (that’s why Clinton suspended her campaign, to keep open the possibility). If there is no evidence of a change of heart, no “big event,” then the SDs are going to do what they’ve mostly declared — vote for Obama. This is not some grand conspiracy to thwart an SD uprising — if the SDs want Clinton, they can make it happen; that’s just not the case.
Bullshit. The only reason to not put Hillary’s name on the ballot is to ensure the SDs vote for Obama. Period. Otherwise put her name on the Goddamned thing and let people vote.
But she has less SDs as of right now! And if nothing changes between now and Denver, she will LOSE that vote.
The SDs aren’t going to change their minds on a whim, and as of today there is no reason to change. If a reason were to come up, then it makes sense to revisit the issue.
Bullshit again, the SDs haven’t even voted yet and can change their minds up until the last moment. And besides I just got THE WEIRDEST CRYPTIC e-mail from Hillary’s camp about donating to her and about her “getting back to us very soon” Hmmmmmmmm. What has that wonderful, beautiful warrior goddess got up her sleeve for the Obamanations? You don’t actually think she’s been working for barky this whle time do you? There’s no way she has given up. She is one hell of a woman.
Yes, the SDs CAN change their minds; however, as of right now there is no evidence that they WILL change their minds.
Just because it’s a possibility doesn’t mean it will actually happen. The SDs are not going to spontaneously change their minds at the last second based on nothing.
http://www.lobbydelegates.com
Your big assumption is that a change would be “based on nothing” when there are many perfectly good reasons to change to Clinton. They could change, that is obvious or they wouldn’t care if Clinton was on the ballot.
Strawberry … yes , You are right.I am supporting Hillary from day# 1 in last primaries, and I do not have to change anything. She is not going anywere. DNC will be a big looser. As Independent I am frr to express my opinion better and very openly, not beying dirty, and blind!!!
Let me see if I understand your position. Hillary Clinton, the first woman to have a chance for the nomination and with 18mil. supporters, should not be given the honor of having her name on the ballot?
It is because they are afraid she will receive the majority of votes. Period. She needs to retire her debt and if that can be done before August, her suspended campaign will be alive again.
If there is a motion to put her name on the ballot and they don’t allow a vote, I sincerely hope her delegates will walk out of the convention hall.
I’m saying ASK Clinton! Maybe she doesn’t want this symbolic “honor” (maybe she doesn’t consider such a vote to be an honor at all).
She WON’T receive a majority of the votes. That is NOT why they want Obama as the sole name on the ticket.
Look, if Clinton had won, I wouldn’t want Obama on the ticket as a symbolic gesture for African Americans — I would want the Democratic Party to come out strong for the nominee, despite the close result in pledged delegates.
If that were the case, then she would have dropped out. I have never heard an Obama supporter doubt Hillary Clinton’s ambition before.
Hillary is entitled to have her name on the ballot like ALL other nominees. But again, I forgot the DNC is now just a group of thugs who make up the rules as they go.
Jesse Jackson went to the floor- he said something like the convention is an election- not a coronation. Why did Edwards and T. Kennedy both go to the floor? The DNC sucks butt.
oops…scratch the Edwards part…
What you don’t seem to understand for many of us it has gone beyond the Democrats winning in November. We are worried about the soul of the Party and what it means to preserving the two party systen and by extension, a country we can be proud of.
That’s just so G-d damned ridiculous I don’t even know why you’re being addressed seriously. ALL candidates with delegates are put on the roll call vote. That’s how it’s been in the past, in every single primary election at every single convention. I don’t know why you Obamatrons think that not putting Clinton on the roll call would be par for the course. What do you think you idiots are doing? Is this the type of CHANGE Obama’s bringing to democracy? If so, it’s unwarranted and unneeded CHANGE. What we need is a damned roll call vote and the delegates to be cast as they were voted for and won. To suppress such is a disgusting usurpation of power by ONE candidate. It’s never been done before and it shouldn’t start now.
What part of presumptive nominee do you not understand?
They don’t crown the nom….they vote for him!
There is no symbolism by having her name on the ticket.
It is the normal way the convention is handled.
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None of these Obama supporters have ever actually watched a convention have they?
let it go, its over.
Dean had fewer, Kennedy had fewer … history? Or is this just an obvious sign to sever history and start with the new Obama party?
Then why not let it go to the floor for a vote? What are Dean / Obama scared of?
Not that you are correct in your statement, but since you called out somebody earlier on a typo, you should be told that a person has fewer sds, not less sds. It’s called english.
I’m sorry. Did I miss something? The first ballot does not allow for SDs, right? The conversation is about her being on the ballot at all????
I thought I read that the pledged delegates vote and if no candidate has the required number, it is then opened up to Supers. Pledged are also allowed to change their vote when? On the second vote?
Isn’t Hillary the ONLY one who can remove herself from the ballot?
Hillary is the only one who can removed herself from the ballot, but she is not the only one who can add it. I’ve been trying to understand the DNC rules and they don’t make it easy. Any delegate can put her name up for nomination and if someone seconds, there will have to be a vote. I’ve been trying to verify superdelegates are not allowed to vote on the first round, but haven’t been able to find anything that addresses that question yet. There hasn’t been a brokered convention for years. I believe Ted Kennedy as for a vote when he ran against Carter. A contested nominating procedure is rare. Most of the history I have found indicates the nominee is selected by voice vote on the first round, but it is clear a state by state delegate count can be demanded by delegates. It all depends on Hillary’s delegates and not even necessasarily her. The voice vote is what the DNC wants, but it seems they can’t control what is happening. They will expect Hillary to control her delegates, but in terms of her supporters who have been verbally abused for over a year, it has become bigger than her election and what is going on in the DNC. Here is some information I found on wic.
“What is a “super delegate”?Who are these “super delegates” getting so much attention in the media?
Collectively, unpledged delegates are a diverse group of individuals who come from all parts of the country and all walks of life. They include grassroots activists, county Party chairs and local elected officials. About 19% of the delegates at the Convention are “unpledged” and serve as delegates because of an office they hold or have held. While unpledged delegates may as a practical matter have a presidential preference and/or even publicly endorse a candidate, officially they serve at the Convention without being formally pledged to any candidate.
Unpledged delegates were created by the Party in 1982 for the 1984 Convention. In recommending the creation of unpledged delegates the Commission on Presidential Nomination (the Hunt Commission) sought a way to more effectively bring elected official and Party leader participation back into the Convention.
Collectively, unpledged delegates are a diverse group of individuals who come from all parts of the country and all walks of life. They include grassroots activists, county Party chairs and local elected officials.”
By that reasoning, why don’t we do away with voting altogether.
For any office, just find two candidates, then do polling, and whoever is losing just drops out, since we already know who the winner is. Or maybe the two candidates can save the polling people money - they can decide among themselves what needs to be done, make a deal together, and voila - we’re saved the bother of that stupid vote. After all, voters are all uninformed and stupid anyway.
You know, that pesky voting, such a hassle. And it costs us so much money, too. Just think how else we can spend it. Democracy is such a bore. Voting is just so twentieth century. And we need change.
I guess that’s the kind of change they are referring to, that they never defined.
And those ObamaBots seriously think this makes sense. This is what we have to look forward to?
And for those people who think McCain is the answer - don’t fool yourselves. I think so many people are so disgusted with the DNC, and it’s so painful to admit we have no choices, that they are grabbing onto a fantasy about McCain.
I say this partly because I went to a link yesterday that brought me to McCain’s website. I did not want to go there. Now when I get on the Internet I go there automatically.
To me that was a signal, or reminder, since I already knew it, that McCain’s methods are as dirty as Obama’s.
Sorry, we are f–ed. The only answer I can see is for Hillary to run on a third party, which may not be possible.
Other than that we have to step in with massive protests to stop the DNC, to stop takeover of our party.
The Republicans do not care about us, are promising nothing, just four more years of Bush. Obama, same thing.
We need to make some leaders understand, if there is any hope. The present two candidates are disaster.
The FAT SLOB — is still here.
GO to hell you idiot.
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
They are “scared” their “brand name” will be diminished. Brand names are the substitute for substance and thought, but seek Pavlovian consent.
That’s a big YUP!
Brand name is the only reason to vote for Obama. If you want to console yourself that you’ve voted for jackasses year after year, then “party unity” will sway your vote.
We protest anyway.
Marxists/authoritarians are big on party “unity”. Nor surprise that this is happening.
Its also time to kill the DNC and the party as a whole.
This would be a purely symbolic move; shouldn’t Clinton’s thoughts on it be taken into account before getting all worked up about it?
If they are trying to win Clinton supporters, shouldn’t Clinton supporters’ thoughts be taken into account? Especially when you consider that they believe the DNC tried and force Clinton out over and over again and the DNC went so far as to steal delegates. So the DNC should work hard to not reinforce that perception, whether they agree it is an accurate perception or not.
The DNC seems more intent on the appearance of unity than working for actual unity.
No, not really. The DNC has violated yet again the precedents of our party.
The smell of a coup is stronger than ever.
This will be a huge, huge, huge signal that we were right.
Obama is a third-party candidate who has taken over the Democratic label.
The Democratic party is dead.
Sorry, you’re wrong. The Democratic Party is more alive than ever, and it had a hard fought primary contest between two great candidates. Just because your preferred candidate lost does not mean the party itself has somehow “died.”
There is no coup; there is a presumptive nominee with enough delegates to win the nomination. This is no more a coup than McCain over Ron Paul.
Well, then…..knock off the crap.
She’s a viable candidate. Dean cannot take her off the roll-call.
And they cannot cancel Denver.
Yes, but they could move the convention to…guess where?
C H I C A G O
I see you’ve had a big dose of the kool-aid too. Open your eyes honey before it’s too late.
Hillary hasn’t lost anything yet. No votes have been cast at the convention. Perhaps you should remember that. BO is NOT the nominee until the votes are cast at the convention in AUGUST.
I know that, that’s why I said “presumptive nominee.” I could have been more clear about Clinton having “lost.” For all intents and purposes, given the pledged delegate and superdelegate breakdowns and the fact that Clinton herself has suspended her campaign, Clinton appears to have lost.
We don’t have an official nominee until Denver; but something HUGE would have to happen between now and then to change the current outcome: Obama as the nominee.
Trust me, if it came out that Obama was an ax murderer, the Democratic Party would quickly and easily transition to Clinton. No one doubts that.
Slimy… You are so naive and brain wash!!
I prefer to get insulted by someone who can write in actual English, thanks.
There was one viable candidate for the Democratic nomination process, Senator Clinton. Senator Obama was chosen and placed as the nominee by the DNC and the Rules Committee. If anyone does not agree, great. Please inform all of us what rule was applied to take votes and delegates from Senator Clinton from Michigan, what rule was applied to give Senator Obama all the uncommitted votes and delegates and finally, what rule was applied to give anyone any votes or delegates who’s name was not on the ballot.
When anyone can point out those three rules, I may begin to think that the DNC did not manipulate this process. Until then - Senator Clinton was and is the only viable Democratic candidate. Senator Obama was chosen by the DNC and Senator Clinton was chosen by the voters.
Prove me wrong in my analysis!!!
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There were actually TWO viable candidates for the Democratic nomination: Obama and Clinton. One received more pledged delegates AND superdelegates (Obama). Therefore, we have one presumptive nominee.
Look, I know it sucks to lose a close race, but it was a tough campaign, and the Democratic Party was lucky to have two great candidates.
No one has received a single Super Delegate, idiot. They vote at the convention. Why is that so friggin’ hard for you to comprehend?
BTW - if your mission is to “convert” us, you’re doing a terrible job. I think Barky should ask for a refund.
In all truth Michigan and Florida should not even have been seated at the Convention. All candidates agreed on the punishment for the change of Primary date. That would include HRC. What happened at the Rules committee was an attempt to appease (damn there’s that word) the voters of Florida and Michigan. But the only way to satisfy them or HRC was to construe some magical formula that would have dissenfranchise everyone else but them. For all the vitriol of the Clintonistas the DNC should have just stuck to their guns. Spoiled Brats make me sick.
We’re laughing at you. Bwahahahahahah!
And Obama takes his name off, sets up phone banks to get the vote out for uncommitted, and then walks away with those votes plus some of hers.
And you seriously wish to call that fair-minded?
We could never co-exist in the same party.
Glad I’m out of it.
btw did the rules say that was illegal?
Giving him those uncommitted votes was.
Yes, it’s against the DNC charter.
By that exact same measure South Carolina and New Hampshire shouldn’t count, either. They moved up their primaries but didn’t get penalized.
I will easily prove your “analysis” wrong.
Obama had 30,000 write in votes in MI. Clinton wanted him to have nothing. You scream and shout and votes being counted but many of you so easily leave this FACT out.
That is why 4 delegates were switched from HRC to BHO.
If that was not the right way to handle it, than explained to me what SHOULD have happened to the 30,000 who took the time to write his name in?
BS. The uncommitted votes were claimed as his, even though some of those were for others who removed their names off the ballot. That was why a re-vote was needed.
McCain didn’t steal Ron Paul’s delegates and the Republican party did not steal them for him.
You can’t win anything by stealing; you can only take what’s not yours. Obama and the Republican party pillaged our democracy to get him the nomination. Now they are competing with Republicans for the title of Destroyer of the Constitution. But even there, Bush got there first leaving Obama a second place loser.
There was no “theft,” sorry.
You are sorry (you and obo)
It doesn’t matter wht you think, the American people from both sides of the political isle see it as a theft. You can try it to explain the ROOLZ any way you want to, but at the end of the day, Obama got some of Hillary’s votes that HE DID NOT EARN. Average hardworking Americans do not think this is fare. It’s all about perception.
POO, that should read aisle…damned pain meds.
A small minority sees it as “theft”; that small minority is wrong. Obama never took Clinton-earned votes
Oh, and it’s “fair,”, not “fare” — maybe cut back on those pain meds
The slime even took 4 of her earned delegates.
He is just slime.
He stole delegates and then announced his nomination when she cleaned the floor with him in South Dakota.
Blew up on him, too.
He just looked dumb.
Your Mich and Fla delegations should have been left on the streets in Denver.
You mean like how Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina should also be left on the streets as well? After all, they also broke the rules and held their primaries early.
John McCain received the required number of delegates to win his party’s nomination.
Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama received enough pledged delegates to win their party’s nomination. It was SDs who gave Obama the nomination.
Hillary Clinton is close enough to the required number of delegates for nomination that if enough SDs had given her their vote, she would have received the nomination. There was no scenario that could give Ron Paul the nomination.
SDs have the right to change their votes up to the date of the convention. If enough SDs changed their mind, Clinton would become the nominee. However, if you remove Hillary Clinton from the roll, you remove this possibility.
You are correct, Hillary might request that her named be removed. I doubt it though. She respects her supporters too much to take their votes and give it to someone who she knows many of them do not support. Nothing in my ballot said that Hillary, if she lost would give her vote to Obama. She will not do this with my vote.
The Democratic party is DEAD — gone —
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
Nope. 18 million voted, this is not about candidates now. Its about democracy.
Clinton’s thoughts are that she and her husband are symbolically linked with the party they have worked for their whole lives. I can understand her wanting to keep her job for the time being. I’m sure she didn’t see this back-stabbing coming.
THe more the DNC pushes unity on us and pushes Obama on us, the more I know I can’t vote for him. We need a protest.
Florence… then is time to start, go for it…
This is the way Obama treats every election.
Do you mean by following the rules as they are laid out? He played the game as it was presented to him. He was even gracious enough not to slander Hillary as he could have. While she was embarking on the kitchen sink strategy he elected not to drag her through the mud.
You’re full of shit. He ran ads in Florida. Nobody else did. He feigned ignorance of how to manage media to get a pass.
He set up phone banks with Edwards to get the vote out against Hillary. That’s in direct violation.
He was begged byt MI not to take his name off. He did so for political strategy reasons and got rewarded for playing dirty.
He then turned down revotes. Even when the money was raised, he manuevered to make sure voters had no say-so.
In both FL and MI he made sure no revotes could happen.
He’s slimy, he’s dirty, and we all know it. See, in ILLinois, he pulled crap and nobody noticed.
But the nation watched this time.
And we know exactly what this slime is about.
No more Nixonland Tricks from DNC.
HOWARD DEAN HAS TO GO.
If he goes, he will just be replaced with one of BO’s Aides. I thought it was a done deal a month or so ago…would love to know how Dean was able to keep his job.
By manipulating the outcome so Obama would get the nomination!
Bingo! it all makes sense now. Barack threatens to replace Howie…Howie cuts a dirty deal…and viola’…Hillary is off the ballot and Howie moves the DNC to Chicago.
God the stench is overpowering from this S&*t.
He could be a world class fluffer?
do you think he’ll be successful? we need people of higher stature to speak up for us…someone with power…
What was the name of the Indian in “Little Big Man” that did everything backwards?
Dean knows BO will loose the first vote. And the Second and the Third….
LArry stop you lies. She has not retired ger campaign because she wants help to pay her debts. Same as Rudy G. and Huckabee before his debts were paid
If you fix up your spelling a bit, you might submit your resume to David Axelrod, and get paid for doing this.
Dean and Co. don’t want to do it because they are SCARED that superdelegates may defect from the UNELECTABLE “O” and if he doesn’t reach a majority on the first ballot (2118 or more, if MI and FL are “half” votes and 2210 or more if MI and FL are “full” votes), then chaos could ensue because according to the rules ALL delegates (pledged and unpledged) are free to vote for whomever they want on a second ballot!
Let’s raise a ruckus and make sure that HRC’s name is on that 1st ballot - let’s work to make sure that “O” doesn’t get the marjority! HRC will be the nominee in Denver, if we can keep pushing for her!!
I agree. The DNC just gave us the focus. LOL*
Idiots.
Perhaps this is a reprisal - no money, no ballot.
Let it fall.
hello hill-fans
Takes my breath away.
I called Hillary’s headquarters in Wash DC - actually Va - 703 469-2008 and spoke with one of the workers there. I did not ask to speak with anyone more specific because I wanted to see what might get said off the cuff.
He indicated that Hillary’s primary goal , as they knew it (as they knew it and he emphasized that) was to pay down her debt and that legally any money sent in could not go for anything else BUT her debt.
When I suggested volunteering to call people to continue to fund raise for her to pay down the debt, he said: we have not set that up yet. We are not supporting volunteers through her website like we were before. BUT, he said - as I chatted about the weather or something - that he and the campaign had had time to rest, really rest and he expected that something would be announced in a couple of weeks. But he did not know what. When I asked what he meant, he kinda hemmed and hawwed and said that at the moment they were endorsing Obama. I told him that I hoped not too vigorously and he said something that indicated, no,not really at all.
When I asked him how the debt reduction via contributions was going he said that it was better than any of them had expected and that it was definitely definitely steadily going down and that they were very pleased.
I circled back another time to get what would/might happen in a couple of weeks because we were never going to support Obama and he said, she understands that.
I personally intend to call back every two to three days and see who I can chat with. But clearly, if we want her to be let loose - if we want her to be as aggressive as possible, then helping with the campaign debt is the first thing we can do and right now, the most significant. And she only has until the convention to pay it down with contributions.
I would suggest that a random phone call from many of us SUPPORTERS (not the idiots who seem to tread on our heels) might be of value. Certainly communication making it plain that we will never support Obama is very important. Not sure that helps, but if it does, good. And I will continue to call and continue to report back with something. But we know a couple of things:
1) Hillary said she’d never give up and that we should never stay down or give up
2) she is not lying on a beach somewhere getting a little change of scenery
3) she will - as she has said - continue to fight for everyone who needs her and believes in her…. well, that’s me and I take her at her word.
OMG, I just finished this absurdly long email and as I let it loose in space, I got the same email.
This is very very good.
And my memory has it that a challenge to the Credentials Committee comes prior to the convention and sometime this month. Anyone remember when?
Harold Ickes said around July 19, If I’m not mistaken.
Susan???? I will call my self… and will find if that is what they said???
Please do call them and see if there is any just casual verification of something in the wind.
And June 19 is on Thurs.
Larry Sinclair slated for a public venue on 6/18, Wed. There may be no connection but certainly Bill and Hillary’s folks know everything we know and far far more.
The stench takes my breath away. I smell lots and lots of lawsuits against the DNC. Does anyone know how many, if any, lawsuits have been filed regarding this specific issue?
Lawsuits are a waste of time.
The DNC is above that.
They are not above voter outrage, however.
They enter into that territory with the outrageous taking away of her delegates and the MI “compromise.”
They will never get us back.
Never.
As we reported last week, Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), the former chairman and now ranking minority member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is seriously evaluating whether he should call for Congressional hearings. We know that the Senator’s political brain trust was working around the clock to analyze a response to the DNC decision. Although having no direct confirmation, we would expect Florida Governor Charles Crist and Michigan Attorney General Michael Cox, among others, were waiting for the Democrats to cast their decision into stone before considering whether they should seek judicial intervention as per Specter’s brainstorming.
Specter, probably one of the most legally astute of GOP Senators, contends the DNC is violating one of the most fundamental of all constitutional rules, that once a vote is cast it must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/PeterJWirs/2008/06/02/conservativeaclu_arguments_beg_the_question_on_floridamichigan_primaries
thank you very much for posting the case citations :0>
I hope the dilweed who maintains a frakkin blog of my comments notes this info
I commented on May 31st after the horrors of that RBC decision on TaylorMarsh that there were rulings that applied to fair expression that were violated
the OBOTS as usual copied that comment and called it ignorant
as is their style, a-hem, they didnt challenge me on the thread, as passive aggressive as their master
bunch of Renfields….
Interesting…….
I agree. It’s a travesty.
How the hell is stuff like this going to bring about party unity? Everything they do just cements the divisions between us. Another slap here, another slap there, a stomach blow here, a kick to balls there…are they trying to destroy the democratic party? Is Dean trying to lose the GE? I’m beginning to think he is, just to avoid a convention fight that could lead to violence by deranged Obama supporters. That way we will ‘hopefully’ come together in 2012 after Barky crashes and burns come November.
I swear Strawberry I think HE REALLY believes we are NOT as offended as we are. He and the REST of them are so insulated apparently they can’t tell daylight from dark.
I was out all morning and I saw ONE Obama bumpersticker today. Out of THOUSANDS (I was all over today running errands, etc) and we intentionally check out cars in parking lots where ever we go.
NOTHING
One lone Obama as I was driving back on the interstate (young WOMAN inside) 10 yr old Subaru wagon.
I was the ONLY Hillary I saw too. And ZERO McKook’s today.
Asheville is NOT talking. LOL
You are so right Dawnelle, remember when Kerry had it all locked up? Bumper stickers, yard signs, buttons everywhere…even in my republican/military neck of the woods. I see absolutley no evidence of this “groundswell” of support for Obama anywhere. None. Christ we should be up to our eyeballs in support after Bush. And all I see is an eerie silence.
Did some down south jukin’ this weekend. Drove I-95
from Washington DC to Fayetteville, NC (home of Ft Bragg
and the 82nd Airborne). Just for fun, I decided to count the
politico bumper stickers. On the way down south on Thurs,
I counted ONE Oblowme yard sign btw/ my point of origin
and the interstate, and, aside from the one car w/ Illinois
tags, only one Obama bumper sticker on a Toyota Prius.
I saw 3 or 4 Bush bumper stickers and 1 McCain bumper sticker.
On the return trip, I saw the same Prius plus one other Obama
sticker. One more McCain sticker.
Seems to me about this time in 04 on the same trip, I saw more Kerry stickers than Bush but substantially more than only 2 or 3 for
either candidate.
wow that was a LOT but you are east right?
It’s very interesting indeed.
I remember 04 and 00 and there WERE bumper stickers and signs up but I don’t remember if it was this far back from the election.
It will be interesting to see if signs start popping up as we approach the Fall.
(I’m ready for FALL already) lol
bloody hot in the MTNs today
I think the Internet may have replaced car bumpers as a way of expressing support for one’s candidate.
I wonder if the Democratic establishment suspects, or even somehow knows, that the economy is going to go belly-up during the next Administration, and so they want a Republican in the White House to take the lion’s share [make that elephant's share] of the blame for it?
deranged Obama supporters. Please see Mrs. H. Christian video for deranged.
RE:
Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-16 12:35:33
“This would be a purely symbolic move; shouldn’t Clinton’s thoughts on it be taken into account before getting all worked up about it?”
Because the symbolism extends to the millions of women that voted for Senator Clinton, it is beyond her in a sense. The symbolic vote should be held to honor women, a voting bloc which the DNC used to care about.
That’s a fair point, but if Clinton herself thinks that a more politically crucial symbolism is one of party unity, then shouldn’t we at least find that out from her? I can think of other ways to honor Clinton’s historic campaign than a symbolic vote, and maybe Clinton can, too.
But Clinton has already endorsed Obama. Clinton is unified with the Dems currently, it’s the people who aren’t that need to be considered. In fact, I think it would be a mistake to even have Clinton come out and have her name removed from the ballot.
People who feel that Clinton wasn’t treated fairly are just going to think that Clinton is a loyal Dem so she is doing what the Dems ask. That isn’t going to make her supporters unify. In fact, since it continues to play into the narrative that the DNC has been rigging the election towards Obama, it will harm unity more than help. So the DNC needs to not do it.
It doesn’t matter if they vote. Obama has the delegates he needs to win. Forcing a false unanimous vote doesn’t fool anyone and can only further a negative perception that already exists.
Yes, and that “endorsement” if you can call it that, was with a political gun to her head, locked and loaded.
Every other Democratic convention has had the “false” unanimous vote with male candidates who had a heck of a lot less delegates than Hillary.
If they pull this? They will turn her into the Martyr of our Lifetime.
Every nerve ending in every Clinton supporter will twang so loudly, that they will turn stay-at-home voters into bona fide “agin you” voters.
And Latinos, Catholics and even a few agnostics will be praying over rosaries all over America about this woman has been so mistreated.
Are they that stupid?
Perhaps.
They have been pretty darn stupid so far. Why would I doubt they could be this stupid?
Go ahead. Nail her to the cross.
You idiots.,
Exactly.
There is nothing to be gained from not allowing the vote and yet so much to be lost. But at this point in time, I no longer doubt the stupidity of the DNC.
I think he’d do just that in a heartbeat.
Obama is a snake.
He’ll do whatever it takes to win.
Wouldn’t you if you believed in what you stand for?
Oh now you’ve done it. Just what exactly does that weasel stand for? Nobody can ever get a straight answer. One day it’s one thing and the next dAy it’s another.
Are you for real? So using your logic, Hitler was justified because fascism and genocide was what he believed in.
If your belief destroys everything in the process, then it was never worth standing up for to begin with. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obots are desperate for anything to believe in, so they project onto Mr. Hope and Change, and pray or hope that it turns out to be true and not a big scam. Unfortunately, it is a scam. Some Obamabots are too afraid to entertain the notion that it is a scam because it would be too depressing. Well, that’s the world we live in today.
How about the fact that at the accreditations committee, they are expecting to fully seat Florida and Michigans delegates. Clinton can also challenge the Michigan decision by the RBC as it clearly violated several of the DNC’s rules. Caucus results could also be challenged as there are widespread reports of fraud. Thats why they don’t want Clinton’s name to even be on the ballot, because she could legitimately take over the pledged delegate lead if it is. If that happened Obama’s only chance would be in the 2nd round of voting with a mass of his bribed SD’s putting him over the top.
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
If Clinton supports NOT having her name on the ballot, then I’ve lost respect for her as well. This was an historic run…a hell of a lot MORE historic than Obama’s. ONE - Jesse Jackson, Sr. already made a viable run for the nomination in 1988. TWO - there are a helluva lot more women in this country than there are African-Americans.
A lesson for our daughters…for sure, a SHAMEFUL one.
I totally agree with you.
If they FORCE her or she AGREES to it I will be very disappointed.
I think they should be kissing her butt for being so agreeable up to THIS POINT.
After all BHO broke the rules in FLA, broke the rules in MI, was awarded DELEGATES for BREAKING THE RULES which said if you take your GDAM NAME off the ballot you get ZERO DELEGATES
JEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZus are they past BRAIN DEAD??? It’s their OWN GDAM RULEZ
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!
Hillary has been too nice. If she bitched about it the boys would all gang up on her (of course) and call her sour grapes……. FK THAT!
Who cares what a small group of snobby snot nosed elite posers think………..
She does not think party unity is important right now since she still is in the game and is a viable candidate.. She said so on a you tube after her Monatana campaign. All we are seeeing is what they forced her to say. I hope she stays incognito and have someone else speak for her if needed. I don’t want the pundits bashing her again for ratings. She has just under 1700 pledged delegates and he has a little more than 1700 pledged delegates. No one has enough delegates to be the nominee. Just because he has more delegates, that make him the presumed nominee? Man they think we are stupid huh?
Hillary’s delegates are going to want to go to the convention, put her name in nomination, making pretty speeches as they do, perhaps pointing out that Hillary Clinton had more people voting for her than any candidate in history. You can understand why Obama might not want people reminded of that fact.
If Obama (Dean is simply following orders, I’m sure) wants to abandon this tradition, expect a backlash among the delegates.
Pretty speeches?
Take a look at the state-by-state polls.
Show me his support.
He’s losing.
He’s nose-to-nose with McCain. Good golly, Republicans don’t even like McCain, and he’s still nose-to-nose.
Oh Shut up. I don’t want to hear one more (or read one more) damned word from Barky’s supporters talking about “honoring” Clinton. If you knew anything about honor, or respect, we wouldn’t have a fractured party now would we?
And the party is in trouble…we should be up 20 points by now!
We are in the midst of a HELLISH unpopular war and Barky is barely leading McCain, a known hawk?
It’s because he never should’ve had the audacity to run. He’s a damned empty suit and he scares people, even people who hate war.
And don’t say it’s because people are racist. The fact that this country is excited by the possibility of a Black President accounts for at least 10 points for Barky. A white guy with his non existent experience would still be in Springfield doing shady deals.
He beat Alan Keyes for God’s sake! I could beat Alan Keyes…
wry, you couldn’t have said it better. The truth is, that none of his suppporters listen to us. They drink thier Kool-Aid, and try to convince us how great Obama is. But to really look into the empty suit and ask questions is unthinkable. This is not about race, or anything else! It’s about who is best for the job, period. It’s no differant than a hospital hirirng a doctor who never went to med school. Or a doctor who never showed up for a appiontment to see his paitents! It’s about trust, not Dem or Reb. We do not trust Obama to be Commander in Chief. He will hold all America in his hands, if he is elected. Thats scary………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPHElA7oo
It has nothing to do with symbolism.
This would be the FIRST time in Party history that this was done. Why?
It’s simply an insult. Especially since she is the first woman.
They are making a departure from tradition along with every other offensive nasty deed they shoved our way.
Get it through your heads:
Coward Dean doesn’t give a flying fuck about what we think!
Without coming out and saying the words, he’s told us all to:
FUCK OFF!
The fact that we aren’t donating money and things are going all wrong only makes him more determined to steamroll us.
That legendary Howard Scream from 2004 that we all sympathized with him over because it seemed the media had mercilessly attacked him, well,
WE WERE WRONG!
He is absolutely that crazy!
It’s a good thing this crazy fucker didn’t get to be President.
America should count herself lucky.
So much for women and breaking the glass ceiling. I guess we know now how they REALLY feel about us and our votes. They don’t give a shit.
Wow! This is really sick shit what the DNC is doing.
No kidding. It’s outrageous.
But….the good news is that we have a clear focus now.
This is unacceptable. Yet again.
But this is something to write about to SDs, the DNC, and it will give PUMA and WomenCountToo, and NODeal a focal point.
This is absolutely and clearly another violation by Obama.
Can someone call the Federal Election Commission and find out what is gong on?
slick shit? Pure Rove.
Great research, Pagan. This is tantamount to insult upon injury. It just never ends with the “Win by Hook or Crook” DNC. I am so ashamed of my Party. We were better than the RNC…until this Primary season, when Howard Dean decided to be worse than the RNC (only against 1/2 of his own Party).
This is another slap in the face to women and all Hillary Supporters
When we look at our kids we can say see, a woman is not allowed to be president even if she wins…just great.
Pretty much par for the course for “Der Fuhrer” Howard Dean.
But what about the “whitey” tape, Larry? Today, Rush Limbaugh is pretty much saying you’re full of shit.
Are you still standing by this rumor you started?
If so, let us know.
If not, why not?
Rush is stirring the pot. And why all of a sudden are trolls listening to Limbaugh? Payoff for all of the money the Republican party put in to Barry’s primary coffers that isn’t showing up for the General Election? hahahahahahaha
LOL …good one beebop
Ha ha ha ha ha …. Oh…mr. Obama…did you think we gave you that money because we LIKED you?
BWWWaaaahahahahahaha!!!!
Nag, nag, nag.
The “typical trolls” are lying anyway, because I just got finished listening to Rush for the past hour and I didn’t hear mention of that tape. At least not from 1pm-2pm. He did talk about Obama being a dumb ass offering tax credits to men who do what they are supposed to do and pay their damn child support. He did talk about that. Did you hear that part “typical troll”?
Interesting. I only listen when I’m driving. But I do know Larry’s story got top billing this week in LA.
Everybody is talking about the “tape.” LOL*
Cracks me up.
There’s no way a rumor gets legs unless it’s expected.
Even the Vanity Fair article about Bill didn’t make a real dent. Nobody bought it.
Bill’s dedication to Hillary is clear. The article failed to dent the actions of Bill, and the author ends up looking like a schmucky gossipper, which he is.
People pay attention to real actions more than pundits realize.
Who cares what fat ass says? Larry never claimed to have seen the tape. He had first, second and third-hand accounts and tried to get whoever has this tape, if it exists, to come forward before the Dems commit political suicide and nominate Obama.
Pagan, thanks. You’d think one of those hifalutin well-paid reporters could call the DNC and get this information but per the norm, it takes a BLOGGER to get the real news out.
Obama just gave HRC the biggest “fuck you” by hiring Patti Solis Doyle to his VP selection’s Chief of Staff.
Given how Patti wrecked HRC’s campaign by 1) ignoring the caucus states 2) completely mismanging the campaign funds and 3) not telling HRC the campaign was $11M in debt until two days before HRC fired her.
It is very clear the Obama is NOT going to pick HRC for VP.
Not a chance that I will vote for this arrogant jerk.
Obama not picking Hillary for VP is a GOOD thing. She doesn’t need to be remembered in 2012 as being on the Obamessiahs losing ticket.
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
2012 is why snObama will be defeated by McCain.
snObama will defeat himself — the more people know about him the less likely they want to vote for him.
Keep up your arrogance Howie Dean, Pooplosie and the rest — There are enough of the 18 million Clinton voters who will NEVER EVER bow down to the non-democratic behavior of the DNC. Keep up the good work you hairy Obamabots from Gaza!
Rezko will start singing in August (unless he is assassinated by guess who.)
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
It seems to me that she has been on his payroll since before 2008 and was there to do what she succeeded in doing which is the obvious. She’s from Chicago and well….. there were rumors that she was involved with his campaign from Feb. It’s his kind of operation.
Patii Solis Doyle had never worked on a campaign before she worked for Hillary and she shafted Hillary. She spent over 100 million of Hillary campaign money on 2 states. Let him have her. She was fired! She’s incompetent just like Obama is. Birds of a feather flock together. She is whoring for another rung on her failed ladder. Makes you wonder if she and Mark Penn were paid by Obama campaign to run a weak campaign for Hillary. Makes you wonder if they set Hillary up to lose. But Hillary fought hard for us and she came out the winner anyway once we all helped with the grassroots. If Democracy were to prevail, Hillary would be the actual nominee. To hell with this presumptive crap.
Well, Hillary hired her. So it’s ultimately Hillary’s mistake. Ditto for Penn.
That part of the criticism of Hillary’s campaign I accept.
She was, as reported, a lot better than her campaign.
But what I liked is that she solved the problem, and she did so with minimal damage.
That’s why I supported her and still do.
Obama’s problem solving of his Wright problem? Man, that was sloppy as heck.
He’s still burping up over that one.
I think Wright was the end of his legitimacy.
Just my opinion.
But I think that’s why he didn’t get the expected bump and won’t. That’s why his polls in NC even after he won show Hillary ahead in the polls. Definitely, McCain will take NC now.
I think his mishandling of Wright, versus her handling of Penn and Patti, is exactly why the public will reject him.
He has not run a good campaign. He ran a campaign based on being the AA guy who needed a break. Americans love the underdog.
However, he’s not able to transition into the frontrunner.
He can’t play the underdog card anymore.
He’s a lousy front-runner.
And Axelrod’s offer of meeting McCain on July 4th???????????
Oh man, that’s a mistake. That is just a scared frontrunner position.
He will be the laughing stock of America if he truly goes on his world tour photo op and ditches campaigning.
He’s even losing the states he won, nevermind the states he promised to turn blue.
Obama is about to become what AA voters most feared.
A joke.
Obama — the joke.
My puppy has learned to go Obama outside — Puppy understand “Obama” means POOP now.
The only good thing that might come of this garbage is that the caucuses will be forever eliminated!!
We need to work on that in our state. The idiot that manages that here loves caucuses. He said so when we were being screwed out of our chance to be heard.
I thought she wanted to spend more time with her baby boy? I guess not as much as she thought she did. What a loser she turned out to be.
Wry…..here’s the scoop.
http://www.observer.com/2008/patti-solis-doyle-named-obamas-chief-staff-vice-presidential-nominee
Omigod…..she’s head of his already-disastrous VP search.
Can you believe this?
It just doesn’t get any better than this.
Patti was probably a mole. Obama gave her a position, omething she’s been toying with for a while, so she’ll maybe help him win over Hispanics. She can give him ground strategies from the primaries.
Doyle was probably working for Obama the whole time. It’s called sabateure!
Dean and the DNC: Breathtakingly Stupid.
I called the DNC and the young lady I spoke with in the chairman’s office said that the roll call would be conducted as it always has. So I said if that was the case, then Sen Clinton’s, since she has not released her delegates, could still vote for her on the roll call. She said that the DNC expected Sen clinton to release her delegates to BO since he was the presumptive nominee. I said ‘presumptive’ was the operative word. She said that he had reached the number of pledged delegates that he needed to secure the nomination. I said that had not, that the SDs put him over the top. She said that I was wrong, and that she was sorry that I did not like the result but, basically tough s_ _ _. i said that I disagreed with the process, that it was a predetermined outcome. She said ‘have a nice day’.
And so it goes. Basically, if they can keep her off the roster so she gets no votes on the roll call they will,
She’s a damn liar.
NEITHER candidate has the required PLEDGED DELEGATES to win the nomination. Everyone in the media knows this. Everyone in the media is LYING about this “process.”
Hillary has 1923 TOTAL Delegates (Pledged and Supers)
1637 = PLEDGED DELEGATES
286 = SUPER DELEGATES
BO has 2156 TOTAL DELEGATES
1762 = PLEDGED DELEGATES
394 = SUPER DELEGATES.
As you can see, which is clear to anyone with a brain, NEITHER CANDIDATE HAS THE REQUIRED 2118 PLEDGED DELEGATES. BO IS NOT THE NOMINEE.
They’re trying to pull the wool over your eyes again. Now that every state and territory has voted, NEITHER CANDIDATE CAN WIN ENOUGH PLEDGED DELEGATES TO BE THE NOMINEE AND THAT IS WHY THEY CHANGED THE 2118 PLEDGED DELEGATES TO include Super Delegates in the TOTAL COUNT.
DO NOT BE HOODWINKED AND BAMBOOZLED.
I cannot believe this is happening in the US. Third world countries have less crooked elections. Young people are generally so misinformed, they don’t get that this is one of the biggest issues of our time.
Since the dnc has turned us into a banana republic, maybe we should have the UN monitor the election.
Dan R…I’m sure that Rush had to come out and make a ruckus over this…as he was being accused of starting the rumor, himself. Larry cannot produce a tape he does not have. He’s told us what he knows and that is enough for me. We already KNOW what Michelle thinks of whitey. I, for one, don’t need to see a tape. So..No Big Deal.
I wonder how much of this Hillary will take before she breaks with the party. It is not her same beloved Democratic Party anymore - and never will be again if Obama wins.
It’s up to US to get this lunatic of a Chairman OUT.
Why should WE give this handful of idiots our party?
Let THEM go elsewhere and start their own nut party.
any ideas as to how we get them out? Obama has already neutralized them and has taken control.
How to get them out? Vote for McCain.
A landslide loss will clean out the entire DNC, including Dean and Brazille.
I’m resigned to this. If Barky loses, we win. We need to vote for McCain to reclaim the party. No writing in Hillary or Green party protest votes. If your state is in play you need to vote AGAINST OBAMA to bring down Barky Coward and brazile nut.
Exactly — Barky will lose — it will be the biggest defeat in history. The DNC is going against the will of the voters.
I hope that voters in Poopolosi’s district will vote her OUT!
When the DNC is defeated (defeat Barky = defeat DNC) — THEN the current DNC and Democratic party will be dead. Hold a funeral and then restock the democratic-democrat party with real Americans who believe in Democracy.
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
Sadly they failed to vote Pelosi out earlier this June. I live in Oakland, watched the results. The Bay Area fuckers here are all up Obama’s ass, all while ignoring Pelosi’s failures and Obama’s failures re: the gay community and impeachment of Bush.
Maybe we can get some libertarians on board with the fiscal conservatives / Independents. I spent the morning reading up on economic advisers. Don Luskin is advising McCain. He has a blog, and he gave reasons to vote for McCain.
It’s a question of game theory, and whether you consider yourself a passive player or an active player in the game. As a passive player, that is, a mere voter, it probably doesn’t matter what you do. Unless there is a perfect tie without you, your vote is irrelevant. If you are a passive player who wants to make a “statement,” then you should cast your symbolic vote for Barr or Paul (unless the statement you want to make is that you think that Obama is so bad, you will vote for an imperfectly libertarian McCain, in which case McCain’s very imperfections add power to your symbolic snub of Obama).
As an active player, that is, someone who hopes to influence what the candidate’s policies will be, you want to exert that influence over a candidate who has a chance of winning. Why waste your input on someone with no chance? Further, as an active player, you want to give advice to someone who needs it. Paul doesn’t need my advice. He’s already a libertarian. But maybe I can nudge McCain a little in that direction.
Just got an email from the Hillary campaign…haven’t gotten one in a long time. It said basically thank you and go to a link to take a look at some pics from the campaign. The pics highlighted her wins.
Then, at the bottom of the email it said:
“Thank you so much — I’ll be in touch soon.”
NO mention of nobama or supporting him or anything else.
ME TOO!!! Weird huh? She’s got something up her sleeve!
JOKE Unless she’s being held hostage. JOKE
When she mentions Obama, donations diminish. She knows math, so she doesn’t mention him if she can help it.
A different kind of refund
Posted: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:12 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Clinton
From NBC’s Jim Popkin
When Clinton officially drops out of the race tomorrow, thousands of donors who contributed to her general-election war chest soon will be entitled to a refund. Under federal election law, Sen. Clinton must either refund the donations or, within 60 days, must write to each general-election donor requesting their permission to use the funds for her future Senate or (gasp) perhaps presidential campaigns.
Thousands of well-heeled Clinton fans will be entitled to rebates. As of the end of April, Clinton had collected $23.7 million for the general election, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Many of those hardcore donors gave the maximum, or $2,300 each for the primary and general elections, and might welcome a $2,300 refund check this summer. But presumably most will encourage Sen. Clinton to hold on to the money, to battle on another day.
Hillary Clinton loaned her campaign a stunning $11.4 million, and could conceivably be able to use some of her general-election leftovers to pay off that debt. Here’s how the Center for Responsive Politics explained the law in an article in January:
“To pay off debts from their primary campaigns, candidates can tapgeneral-election funds from contributors who didn’t max out in the primary, with the donor’s permission. If, for example, Hillary Clinton doesn’t make it to the general election season, she’ll have to go back to the donors who’ve given her at least $16.7 million toward November’s election and get their permission to use it to pay off primary debts, transfer it to her Senate committee or use it in a future presidential campaign.”
There will be some long faces tomorrow at the National Building Museum in Washington, when Senator Clinton finally bows out. For a few in the crowd, though, the prospect of a $2,300 refund check may help ease the pain.
I’ve wondered what the Clintons have been doing. They never totally drop out of site. It may be Hillary wanted to see how this was going to play out, on both sides, before she makes a move.
Yes, certainly the Clinton camp must know what is going on…and they probably know much, much more than we do.
hopefully she was waiting for all the RATS to leave the ship so she could get them all out of her campaign..
And a link to her donation center. She’s trying to retire her debt. Very important.
Hmmm…”I’ll be in touch soon…”
I don’t think I buy this retire her debt story.
First of all, it’s too penny-ante.
Most of the “hard debt,” meaning not to consultants, etc., has been paid already. There won’t be any vendors left hanging.
Now, we’re talking about Penn debt and other “soft” debt. They don’t need to be paid in full. Particularly not Penn. LOL*
I’m going to wait it out, Texas. See what happens.
I’d definitely buy a chicken dinner if Hill comes to LA and talks about the campaign.
But I’m not going to jump on this story.
She’s got money. It’s in the GE account.
I’m going to wait and see if she can finagle this.
I got it too. It’s really an email to raise funds.
Everyone needs to go to Heidi li blog to donate to make a statement. Lawyer Heidi thinks it’s an important statement to make to the DNC if Hillary is still getting lots of contributions. This will be a huge statement. Please help “retire the debt”.
They can use that an excuse to keep her out if she is in debt.
I don’t agree. Once Hillary learned to ask, she did so directly.
This email says nothing about retiring her debt or asking.
I don’t agree.
I’m not donating. Hillary is direct. This is indirect.
I do not agree that retiring her debt is even relevant.
If she asks directly?
I’ll buy it.
Not yet.
Dean’s name was placed in nomination, so what?
As DNC chair, Dean has an entirely different role to play than as presidential candidate Dean.
Whatever Dean’s role, he can be counted on to make an ass out of himself.
AMEN to that … people don’t change personality just because they get a fancy new title!
This is ASTOUNDING. The ONLY woman to EVER run a viable campaign for President NOT on the first ballot at the
conventioncoronation. The Democratic party doesn’t give a sh&t about women or women’s achievements…never has and never will. The Democratic party needs women to provide votes….and an ass to be slapped (a la Michelle) other than that we can go to hell.Napoleon Bonaparte, ascending the altar, took the iron crown, and placing it on his own head, exclaimed, Dieu me la donne, gare à qui la touche – “God gives it to me, beware those who touch it”.
BEWARE!
The emperor has no clothes.
The Midas Touch.
Every day they give us more and more reason to vote McCain. What are they doing? What an embarrassing disaster of a party. Good riddance to rubbish.
You do know why they are so hell-bent on pulling an “Alice Palmer in Chicago” on Hillary at the convention and keeping her name off, right? Why are they so afraid to let Hillary’s pledged delegates actually vote for her as the people voted, or trying dramatically to replace all pledged delegates with rabid Obama supporters? If party unity really was the cause, why not get rid of all other candidates’ names on the ballot too, including Kucinich, Edwards, etc.? Because those guys don’t have a chance, but Hillary does.
Because what the media refuses to let you know is that:
1) Superdelegates vote by SECRET-BALLOT!!! They are thus immune to Obama’s threats and disgusting tactics since they can pledge undying support for Obama, then go and mark Hillary on the ballot and NO ONE will ever know! Immune to the pressures of Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et al - as the writers of the DNC Constitution intended, as this is the only way they can truly vote their conscience and for the best of the party, by not being under duress. Given that 200 uncommitted superdelegates held out until the end, and seeing that Hillary needs just about 200 supers to give her the majority, they know the convention could still give the vote to Hillary, especially once the whitey tape comes out or Obama is indicted for the Rezko case. People will surely see then how truly unelectable Obama is and will vote secretly for Hillary - they know a popular presidential candidate can dramatically help down-ballot candidates like them - and if there’s one thing they know, it’s self-preservation.
2) After the first ballot, ALL (this includes pledged) delegates are released of their bind to who their state elected and are free to vote for whomever they want - this means Obama won delegates in certain states, especially red states, can choose to vote for Hillary and vice versa. This is why Obama is hell-bent on making sure ALL pledged delegates are his rabid supporters, and has been systematically kicking delegates who support Clinton out even if they were elected in their district by others who worked feverishly in this campaign season for democrats. This was what Wager and Ausman were debating about over email - and why Wag threatened Ausman, who wanted to keep the delegates as chosen, but Wag wanted them replaced by die-hard Obama supporters, so they wouldn’t flip in case the first ballot didn’t give a majority to anyone.
And this is why Hillary must fight to keep her name on the ballot and we must support her. They are attempting to play Chicago ballot games at the DNC convention. Do you respect Democracy? Do you still believe in the words of our founding fathers? Do you still believe in the Constitution? If so, do everything you can to make sure Obama does not cheat his way into the nomination. Keep democracy alive!
Oh wow.
It is the Clinton supporters who do not believe in democracy. Who leads in the election? Who won the most delegates? Who has won the popular vote? If you believe Clinton then you have to believe that he would not have had any votes in Michigan. have you ever heard of Detroit. I guess you racists do not think the black vote counts.
Oh please. We do believe in democracy, that’s why we’re taking our votes and dollars and hittin’ the road. And barky can threaten us with gun violence all he wants, we will never vote for him. You are dismissed little one.
Check out RCP. McCain leads in MI.
Check out RCP. McCain leads in MI.
Race-baiting TROLL is on the prowl. Obamatrons’ favorite tactic.
You know Denis, the ‘everybody’s a racist’ talking point has worn out its welcome, its just background noise now. ‘Cause if everybody’s a racist then guess what sweetie, nobody’s a racist.
Here’s the deal, she won the most votes. He won the most delegates. It’s a virtual tie on both counts. NEITHER of them has the number of pledged delegates to win. BOTH of them are dependent on superdelegates to win. Superdelegates are NOT pledged, they can change their vote up until the roll call is called.
If she is not on that ballot for the first roll call it will be an INSULT, an AFFRONT, a SLAP IN THE FACE, a KICK IN THE GUT to ALL women. This is the ONLY WOMAN EVER to make a serious run for the Presidency. EVER.
Let me ask you a question sweetie, if the shoe were on the other foot — what do you think black people would do??????? Let me know your answer okay sweetie?
This election revealed the outdated and undemocratic method the Democratic Party uses to select nominees. Neither candidate received enough pledged delegates to cross the finish line. The decision of the super delegates decided the nomination. Enough of them preferred Obama to give him the nomination. You can say they are legally allowed to do that under the rules, but you cannot say it is democratic. At the end of the day, the nominee was decided by top party insiders.
Obamabot is using the RACIST card!!
Anyone playing the Obamabot BING — don’t forget to mark the RACIST card square.
Hey — Obamabot thanks for playing!
And thanks for showing up to remind us why we will NEVER EVER vote for messiah snObama!!
Now find your mama — your diaper needs changing.
If you believe the Democratic party’s own charter - these are inflexible, iron-clad rules - Uncommitted is a legitimate vote cast. It cannot be given away.
Obama voluntarily removed his name from the ballot in Michigan, against the rules, to thwart Michigan’s primary where Clinton was favored and to pander to Iowa voters. You people are so unfuckingbelievably strupid. I seriously wonder if you really do drink some kind of brain-dumbing koolaid. Can you be that uninformed about simple rules?
man I swear I hope you are right but actually I’m worried you could also be under the influence of hopey dust (the Hillary kind?)
lol
I HOPEY you are CORRECT!!
Supporting her now will mean some cash to retire her debt. Please dig deep. Heidi li blog will be sure that Hillary gets the donations to retire the debt.
Not me. Hillary learned how to ask. This latest email isn’t direct.
She’s not even asking yet.
as far as a message asking for help-
the big red donate button works for me
FEC law says she cant GIVE it to Uhhbama only pay her debt
OR she has to get our permission to use it for anything else
to help her keep her options open hubby and I are still giving
I maxed on primary donations but hubby hadnt so we just helped our ‘girl’ out some more
:0)
I’ll wait to be asked.
I’m not taking the word of others.
Just look at this story and how upset everyone got.
3 quick phone calls dispells the rumor.
The replaced delegates were in FL. They were pledged to Obama, but were representative of GLBT party members, as required by DNC policy. Obama wanted them replaced with VERY, VERY pro-Obama delegates, because the GLBT delegates were not considered a sure thing.
This is from an article in the Miami-Herald(I think it was the Herald) within the last two days.
Thanks…I figured something similar.
Boy, he sure knows how to win that group over, eh?
He really doesn’t like them. Lends credence to the down-low stories, doesn’t it?
Ever seen a so-called liberal be this scared of gays?
No self-respecting woman should vote for the current democratic party.
WSJ article on Obama buddies - Dodd & Conrad’s corruption.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121357125417575867.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Good article. I once worked for a CEO who was a Republican and took over our S&L. This was back when.
He told me he got the position because he bailed out the Republicans from their “Washington Bank,” which was going under and which had handed out loans to those guys right and left.
It was pretty interesting.
He knew that the S&L Debacle was across the board.
Ditto for the home mortgage crisis.
But then, we all knew this, didn’t we?
My feeling is that MO isn’t the only one saying “give me something” in the Democratic party. The Dems have corruption issues a la cash in the freezer at all levels. This is why impeachment came of the table. In a tis for tat, the Democratic party would be revealed (and reviled) for selling out the “little” people it says it represents. The bundlers for Obama are throwing money at him to keep from being investigated. FOLLOW THE MONEY has never meant more than this campaign!
I just called the DNC and was told that there WILL BE a roll call vote and Hillary’s delegates will get to vote for her. I have read or seen nothing that supports this other than what this woman just said on the phone. I would encourage others to call 1-202-863-8000 and ask the same question, if there will be a roll call and if her delegates will have the opportunity to vote for her because I still don’t believe it.
I would think Hillary’s campaign people would know whether her name will be on the ballot or not. I would trust them before I would ever trust what the DNC people say.
no ones name is on the ballot until the convention it is all a game to distract and cause Hillary delegates from showing up in Denver.
The delegates choose who is on the ballot, not Dean or anyone else, those are the rules!
Same thing as for VP, Barry or Hillary can choose a nominee, but delegates at the convention decide who will actually be the VP nominee for VPOTUS not the nominee for POTUS.
What are the legalities of removing a candidate from the ballot?
Yes, I’ve been wondering this myself.
there are none, unless the candidate refuses to be on the ballot and does not give a nomination speech 6PM prior to the date of nomination speeches and voting for the nominee
See pages 20 and 21 of the DP Rules, point # 6 and 7.
opps that is give a copy of their speech to the DNP Sectatary before 6PM the day before the voting for the nominee at the convention.
You know. I got a call to action from HRC supporters in my area to email Dean about this and I got a response back “from him” (who knows who typed it) and he says it’s a rumor and everyone’s name will be on the ballot, but dare I believe anything out of that lying snake’s mouth? Here is what he said to me in the email (copied and pasted straight from such…including his typo):
“This is a false rumor. There will be a roll call. Please help us stop this rumor. Thjank you! Howard Dean”
Now, either he’s lying or somebody in that article is lying. I’m more inclined to believe it’s him. I never even responded to his email because I thought I might mistakenly curse him out and that really wouldn’t have helped anything.
Good. Maybe this was a ballon test to see if there would be outrage at the suggestion.
I hope it’s the real deal, personally.
I think Obama is Bush in Democratic clothes.
He’s a snake.
AnninCA, I think you are right.
Maybe the petition to oust him got his attention.
Sugar, you’d think the head of the DNC or his admin. asst. would automatically use spell check!
Yeah, you’d think, but we also thought that the rube would handle this primary season better than he has too! lol If this whole deal has taught me nothing else, it’s helped me trust people even less and I hate that. I have trusted what the Democratic Party stands for as long as I’ve been able to vote and it’s blowing up in my face that we aren’t any better than the RNC when it all boils down to the struggle for power! Certainly, we have different views than them on various issues, but that greed for power is just as strong among our ranks at present, as it is among them and it’s disheartening to say the least!!
IF that is true than I owe Howie an apology. I’ll be sure to get right on that too. (snicker)
HEy Sugar!!!
Yeah there will be a roll call as soon as he swithces Hillary delegates out with rabid Obama supporters. tsk tsk
Hola Dawnelle!
ROLL CALL AT THE CONVENTION WITH HILLARY CLINTON!!!!
Anything less is unacceptable!
You know, Obama packed my caucus, sweet-talked Repubs. into voting for him in the primaries, gamed the DNC Rules and Regs, moved the DNC to Chicago (supposedly overnight), and will probably game the convention. He sat and voted “present” while Hillary was subjected to incredible abuse. He ridiculed her, gave her”the finger” and snarked his way through the primaries. It’s over for me. I’m a lifelong Democrat, and through with the party. I don’t know what I’ll do for the GE, but whatever, I’ll never vote for Obama.
And please, for God’s sake, no hifalutin speech on sexism.
No Obama. Not now. Not ever.
Heh, you lose a lot of credibility by saying that Obama gave Clinton “the finger.” That is patently false.
No, it’s not false. He did it, not once, but TWICE…AND it’s on tape.
Yes, it is on tape, and it shows him scratching his face with multiple fingers raised.
Look, he didn’t do it, just accept the truth.
Multiple fingers, huh? The crowd certainly thought otherwise.
To me? The way he flicked her off his shoulder?
That was plenty.
I’ve never seen a Democrat act that way.
Never.
Yes, he did. Obama gave the same speech in front of TWO separate audiences, in TWO different states the same night. Word for word, gesture for gesture. IDENTICAL. I saw clips from both speeches. Banner beneath video identified location where speeches were given.
Just look at his smirk and the crowd’s reaction and tell me that he did not flip her off.
It doesn’t matter, Slim.
Obama is not qualified to be president.
And that is the bottom line.
See ya in November.
Sorry, Mary, a lot of Americans disagree with you, including most Democrats (including Hillary Clinton).
Keep telling yourself that. I spent three hours today driving around looking and counting Obama stickers. Only saw two…just two. One old hippy in a beat up Mazda and a young AA female about 22 in a BMW. At this point in the Kerry campaign there was a shit load of Kerry signs, posters, yard signs, I know because I helped put them up. In fact all the folks I worked with on the Kerry campaign are even volunteering this year. And I live in a military area. No one is buying what Barky is selling.
Aren’t, damn it
99 problems and the bitch ain’t one?
He’s a hip hop flip flop okey dokey hopey changey empty suit.
I loved my friend from Texas who said, matter-of-factly, “He’s just another guy. No change.”
LOL*
That’s the truth.
Obama is just same ole stuff.
“hip hop”?
He acts ghetto, like when he flips off his opponent, talking about her “twisting the knife,” or when he pretends to wipe her from his feet or dusts his shoulders.
If you feelin like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
Get, that, dirt off your shoulder
As for the flipping off, here is how the LA Times weighed in:
“This is one of those political moments that really needs few words. He will no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. The crowd sure sees something.”
Obama said, “And I’d say Senator Clinton looked in her element.” He paused. Then he raised his right hand and scratched his cheek with his middle finger. He smiled slightly, and the crowd cheered.
The Baltimore Sun and Chicago Tribune agreed with the LA Times, the crowd at the Raleigh NC event and the countless YouTube viewers.
Yes, Obama thinks he is Jay-Z.
What a copy cat.
Hey idiot — we have the video of Obama giving Senator Clinton the finger — we can see the CROWD responding to Obama flipping Clinon the bird.
The still photo clearly shows Obama giving Clinton the finger —
You Obamabots — FAT Obamabots are really stupid.
Obama also insulted Clinton deliberately using sexist remarks many times.
Obama is a sexist PIG — this has been obvious since he began his campaign. Obama hates white women — probably because he hates his mother. He is a very sick person who has no business even being a US Senator — he can’t even do THAT job.
You Obamabots are too stupid — you all need to stop drinking the koolaid. And go get your diaper changed — you STINK!
DNC Rules for Nominations for candidates for POTUS at the convention page 20 and 21, Dean has no authority to place any name or take any name on or off a ballot:
6. Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall
receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of
President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent
Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the nominator.
e. Delegates and alternates shall maintain order during and following nominations for the Office of President and demonstrations shall not be permitted.
7. Roll Call for Presidential Candidate:
a. After nominations for presidential candidates have closed, the Convention shall proceed to a roll call vote by states on the selection of the presidential candidate. The roll call voting shall follow the alphabetical order of the states with the
District of Columbia and Puerto Rico and the territories treated as states for the purpose of the alphabetical roll call.
b. A majority vote of the Convention’s delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate.
c. Delegates may vote for the candidate of their choice whether or not the name of such candidate was placed in nomination. Any vote cast other than a vote for a presidential candidate meeting the requirements of Article VI of this Call and Rule 12.K. of the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules shall be considered a vote for “Present.”
d. Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected. The nominee shall become the candidate of the Democratic Party of the United States for the Office of President upon the conclusion of his or her acceptance speech.
8. Acceptance Speech by Presidential Candidate: Immediately after the selection of the Democratic nominee for President, the Permanent Chair shall invite the nominee to deliver an acceptance speech to the Convention.
The “roolz” might be all good and well - but as we’ve learned from FL and MI, Obama has enough DNC members in his pocket to effectively “revise” any rules as he sees fit and that will benefit his holiness: Obamamessiah.
What HoHum Dean does not want is a reminder of his, and DNC stupidity.
He could care less about Party unity. He wants to pretend that Hillary supporters do not exist.
IMO if the table were turned and Hillary had received the nomination and had Obama’s name removed there would be an uproar.
Who does Dean answer to for his appointment?
Anybody know of the correct procedure for getting him unappointed?
He has made the biggest mess in party history, and I don’t think anyone would stand in our way of getting him out.
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What the HELL is our country coming to.
I will make a bet this is not the way the Republicans are going to do their Convention.
Comment by Denise | 2008-06-16 13:23:23
IMO if the table were turned and Hillary had received the nomination and had Obama’s name removed there would be an uproar.
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It would be called “RACIST”
All I know is that this is unbelieveable and outrageous. Is there a lawyer who can address this? I never thought I would say I hate my party leaders but this is so unfair, undemocratic, unprecedented, and prejudicial. Hillary deserves to be on the ballot and have her delegates slated for her. Please stay on this and let us all know.
I THINK ALL HELL NEEDS TO BREAK LOOSE AT THE CONVENTION. WHEN THAT HITS TV, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOT UNIFIED. HELL THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT RIOTS, GIVE THEM A RIOT. I AM TELLING YOU WRITE THE DEM REPS NOW OF CONGRESS AND TELL THEM YOU ARE VOTING STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN TICKET. I JUST TOLD OFF A DEM LEADER OF IN MONTANA WHO WROTE TO HILLARY SUPPORTERS SITE, HER POST MADE ME SICK, IT WAS WHY AREN’T YOU VOTING FOR OBAMA, HE IS JUST LIKE HILLARY, WELL I LOST IT.I TOLD HER SHE COULD KEEP HER PARTY AND CANDIDATE BECAUSE WE AMERICANS WHO LOVE OUR COUNTRY WERE VOTING FOR MCCAIN AND A STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN TICKET….THESE GUYS WILL FOLD WITH THAT AS THEY ALL WILL LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES FIRST.WE HAVE TO STOP THIS NOW …SO GET WRITING!!!
No guys, DON’T RIOT!!! It is too dangerous as the police in Denver are receiving a 50 million dollar grant to buy equipment for some rather unorthodox ways of crowd control. Peaceful protests and using your vote and pocketbook to send a message, as well as contacting media, writing op-eds, letters to editors, talk to friends, give them evidence, etc is WAY more effective - and will protect you.
These morons wanting riots just want you out of the way to clear a line for Obama (remember Odinga?). They are the angry, disaffected youth who want violent revolution after watching their crazy movies and playing those videogames, they are just itching to be able to act it out in real life here at home. My advice to you crazies who want to kill - go enlist in Iraq, I guarantee you will see violence galore and be able to participate. And we definitely need all the troops we can get.
good come back
yes for as MUCH as they love to remind us that the cabal in power now never served a day in combat……..
well, MOST D’s do not enlist. Especially now days. If Iraq was at all a LEGAL war against those that would harm us … I would agree.
How about we send them to Afghanistan. We need a LOT more support there and that to me is legitimate.
Iraq was a dreadful detour for the personal preference of some crooked OIL MEN. bad bad bad bad!
We will suffer for decades for that ill advised right turn - as sure as I am typing this…. our integrity and honor is like a dirty coat of armor
Hillary COULD have shined it back up. Instead they just brought/bought someone in to match the inside as tarnished as the out side
great
add insult to injury
shoot a huge hole in your foot while you are at it! Brilliant.
My suggesting to Hillary’s delegates:
is to VOTE for Hillary and THEN WALK OUT! Peacefully LEAVE!
Go to a funeral for the Democrat Party. And then go shopping, out to dinner or whatever.
VOTE and then LEAVE!
There is no need for any violence — be peaceful and dignified.
SHUN the DNC — turn your backs on the DNC.
One of the long time PUMAS emailed me..thought I’d pass it on.
I just saw Will Bower’s press release for JustSayNoDeal and think we
have the clout now to act successfully. The organization structure is
finally taking root, but we should act fast before the window of
opportunity closes.
As you know, the DNC has handed over the Dem Party apparatus on the
claim that Obama’s the nominee when he’s not. (Check their website
http://www.democrats.org.) He didn’t get enough pledged delegates. The
Supers can’t vote till August. It’s June. He’s not the nominee, so the
transfer of the headquarters and control can be challenged.
Of course, what makes this whole Barack is the Nominee deception work
publicly is Sen. Clinton’s endorsement. Despite being coerced and worn
down, she was wrong to give it, and part of the pressure campaign has
to call on her to reverse it. (Otherwise the DNC will just send her
out to the cameras to condemn the whole campaign.)
1. The DNC cannot be dragging
Florida and Michigan through a year of hell over violating the rules
and then do exactly the same thing with impunity. 2. Sen. Clinton
promised she’d stay in the race until there’s a nominee, and there
isn’t one. So her endorsement is unacceptable
And of course, she knows what
the DNC did disenfranchised 18 million voters.
I left some pertinent information out to protect the base.
Just that we have to remember how smart our girl is. Hint.
I have to believe that Hillary knows much, much more about all this than we do. I agree with a previous poster that she has not been relaxing on a beach since nobama attempted to carry out this coup.
At the moment of her last speech, she HAD NO CHOICE but to say what she did. She has had time to reflect and to gather additional info.
I’ll be very interested to see what she has to say.
DNC Rules for Nominations for candidates for POTUS at the convention page 20 and 21, Dean has no authority to place any name or take any name on or off a ballot:
6. Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall
receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of
President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
Dean has no authority to put names on or take them off a ballot, ballots are determined at the convention, Dean is stating Bambi lies to derail Clinton delegates from going to Denver, DO NOT FALL FOR THESE OBAMA TACTICS PEOPLE, THEY ARE BS
Mel, this is great, thanks for posting.
Pagan, great piece and how very disturbing but not surprising.
I think this primary has been FIXED for sometime now. All the caucuses, the RBC, the move from DC to Chicago. Obama is the puppet, as are Dean et al.
Here’s the billion dollar question:
Who’s the puppeteer?
The RNC. It’s a hostile takeover.
It’s another nail in the coffin. Too bad we can’t drive it through the DNC’s heart. But who knows? Maybe we will.
Pumapac.prg
Oh my God, I just got the email from Hillary too!! Oh gosh, I wish she would decide to run as an independent! That would be music to my ears!! Why did she say, “I’ll be in touch soon.”???? Listen up “typical trolls”! Never count a tough woman out! Never! However, if she gets in touch talking about some running as BHOs VP, seeing as how he can’t seem to find anybody who wants to take it.
As much as I love Hillary, don’t read too much into her closing…
In touch soon, probably means she’ll be out saying some more obligatory nice things about barackula.
It’s a goddamn shame that SHE is forced to play by the rules, and traditions…while obama pisses all over them, and then calls foul when Hillary tries to fight back.
Nah, my female bits say there’s something brewing…there’s a storm on the way. I’ve never seen anything like this in the 25 years I’ve been a democrat. That was a wink, wink, nod, nod from Hillary. Stay tuned.
I agree Strawberry. This email was just too weird. If she was going to say something to try to get us to support nobama, then this would be the perfect time.
Instead, she directed us over to a very nice photo album which highlights in pic and some words, why she is the best candidate and ends with a fantastic photo of the crowd in her last speech.
Methinks there is something brewing…
Yeah, I think so too and I’m sure that email was written that way expressly to let us know that she’s working on something…time will tell.
She need cash to retire her debt. That’s what the email is about. It’s her ace in the hole to be rid of it. Please help out with it. Heidi li blog to donate and be sure Hill gets it.
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Oh, I didn’t finish the sentence…phone call. Yeah, if she gets in touch talking about support BHO because she will be his VP, I’m going to have to tell her no thanks. See you in 2012.
Here we go, I just called the DNC Office @ 202-863-8000 and asked to speak to someone who can confirm or deny Hillary will be or won’t be included on the first ballot at the convention. I was transferred to a young woman named Melissa and she told me that, “No this is not true, Hillary’s name will be on the first ballot for a vote at the convention.” I also quizzed her about the preference of Howard Dean and whether he wants such a vote to occur and she said no he is not opposed. Now, I have to add that I told her that I and my hubby are both democrats at this time and we are heavily leaning to changing our party affiliation but would prefer not to.
Take from this what you will, but I say, everyone should call, because it seems, if “Melissa” was honest with me, that they are getting a lot of calls and feedback pushing their butts against the wall, just a theory mind you.
And angels can sing, but there is no way in the universe that I will now or ever vote for Barry O.
Thanks for calling, Melissa. I’m breathing again.
By the way, PaganPower.
I don’t like getting emotionally manipulated by EITHER side.
Be careful.
i just called the above nmnbr and they are closed
will try manyana
When Senator Clinton gets “in touch with us soon” as she promises in her e-mail, I hope it’s to tell us she will run as a third party candidate. Imagine the consternation that would cause in BO’s coup camp.
I would LOVE IT if Hillary ran as an Independent! I’d work my behind off for her. She owes the Democratic Party NOTHING now. They have disrespected her and Bill like nothing I’ve ever seen before. She needs to change to Independent and run with it!
Me too!! I’m a newly unaffiliated voter! I’d LOVE to cast my first vote for a truly viable INDEPENDENT candidate if that were HILLARY!
W00T!
What I find weird is that the majority of her supporters sent her emails telling her to not give up and take it to the convention. etc., the few days before she gave her “stepping aside” speech. I really can’t imagine that the majority of her supporters, when asked “what should I do?” would tell her to step aside for Obama. Just doesn’t make sense. She’s got to’ve listened to her supporters, and that adds fuel to the idea that she might have something up her sleeve.
This is how Obama does things. He had his opponent eliminated from the ballot in his Illinois election on some technicality so he could run unopposed. With him, we are seeing the eroding of our democracy. We need to do everything possible to get this out into the media and let every American know what outrageous tactics are taking place.
Even if Hillary fails to have her name on the ballot this issue should be a ‘NO BRAINER”.
People that are true American will not vote for Obama anyway….. DNC aka Howard Dean is corrupt.
Some of you that are not aware the DNC not only denied Florida and Michigan but now Obama says he will allow all the delegates to be seated.
HOW DAMN NICE OF HIM AFTER HE BOUGHT THE DNC AKA HOWARD DEAN. Isn’t Obama just really a lovely piece of work?
The RBC argued that Florida broke the rules and therefore must be penalized. In 2000, the Republicans argued that certain counties didn’t follow the rules and therefore those votes should not be recounted.
The DNC decided to penalize both Florida and Michigan for holding their primaries early, even though four other states also violated the DNC rules, yet these states did not have to pay a penalty, click here to view DNC Delegate Selection Rules pdf.http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/was-the-2008-democratic-primary-election
While the DNC rules allowed for Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina to hold their elections ahead of schedule, the rules stated the following:
Iowa was not suppose to hold its election before Jan 5, 2008, it was held on Jan 3.
New Hampshire was not suppose to hold its election before Jan 22, it was held on Jan 8.
South Carolina was not suppose to hold its election before Jan 29, it was held on Jan 26.
Only Nevada held its election within the time frame outlined by the DNC rules.
The RBC chose a completely different path for penalizing Michigan voters. Barack Obama, John Edwards, and Bill Richardson all removed their names from the ballot, while Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gavel all kept their names on the ballot. There was no requirement by the DNC to have their names removed. The only agreement by all candidates was not to campaign there.
For all of you who are feeling disenfranchised and alienated by the Democratic Party:
PLEASE visit us at blog.pumapac.org
We are part of a HUGE coalition to take back our Democratic Party. (justsaynodeal)
We are working on getting a written certification that the roll call will take place. If you are interested, again, please visit us.
Membership is free, all are welcome. But please leave negativity at the portal.
MarylandPUMA
Great…..let’s settle this. A written promise is what we need.
I’m done with the emotional manipulations of Obama.
Either he embraces our party traditions or we stop pretending he’s even a real Democrat.