Update on Barack’s Birth Question
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on June 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM in Current Affairs
Folks, here is the relevant statute:
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§ 1405. Persons born in HawaiiA person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
As long as Barack was born in Hawaii, the fact that his biological father was Kenyan is irrelevant. So why hide the Birth Certificate?
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Why hide it ??
ummmmmmmm uhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmmm waffles ?
He’s a Muslim.
Ok, I have been debating with myself about Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate, and why he insist that it remain hidden.
Two things have been nagging at me, the biggest one would be that just maybe no father is really listed, and that his mother just picked a name, off the wall yes. The second thing is that he was not born in HI.
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, why are you hiding your birth
certificate?
There are a number of bloggers on the net right now who are demanding that Barack Obama pony up with his “real” birth certificate. In fact, there is a Federal suit demanding it to assess his eligibility to be POTUSA. He has a computer generated birth certificate on his site, but not one that is signed and sealed. Now, today another fellow blogger, Charles Bowley, from Massachusetts reported that the RNC has already sent their operatives to
Mosamba, Kenya and have procured the birth certificate of Barack. What is really alarming is that the RNC has evidence to show that an Arab, light skinned Kenyan woman, not Stanley Anne Durham, is the actual mother.
http://charliverse1.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-plan-for-...
So, just for discussion, I wanted to examine these two charts, assuming that the birth time is 7:24 PM, but obviously in distinctly different time zones. Because Hawaii is 8 time zones west of Kenya, the Moon obviously moved about 7 degrees. So let’s look at the “padas” and the native’s characteristics. At 3 degrees Taurus(Vedic) (Kenya chart) the person would be characterized as “having a dislike for spiritual men (his pastors under the bus), doing actions which displease many people (there’s a lot of angry Hillary supporters) and which go against scripture (apostate?),instigating others to action”. Definitely. In the other chart (Honolulu) the Moon is at 10 degrees 2 minutes: the native is “a passionate, (no I don’t think so), greedy person (no, just questionable shady friends?) with impolite speech (definitely not Barack) and good looks (maybe on the planet Mars.)” Obviously we’re dealing with “dirty data”,but just for discussion sake, I seem to believe the Kenya chart.
here’s the reading http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr1GhSvuGcs
I already told you guys. I’ll bet that B.C. says “bastard” like they used to foolishly put on them back in the day when the parents weren’t married. I think he may have lied about his parents being married. He looks a little like Odinga, so I don’t doubt that he’s half African, but I’ll bet it has something to do with those parents!
Big deal. So what? In the old days in Italy, children born to unwed parents often were given the sur name Bastardi (meaning Bastards). In fact, you have a guy right there in the USA on the National Weather Channel whose name is Lou Bastardi! Lets not be hippocrates. Why don’t you just try to get Lou Bastardi removed from the airwaves because of his name? Better yet, you COULD, once and for all, let rest all the nonsense about Obama’s birth circumstances.
He can just release the authentic version of his birth certificate and settle questions once and for all.
Obami called on Clinton and McCain incessantly to release their financial records and Clinton’s WH papers, yet he can’t just do a simple thing such as releasing his birth certificate.
Either the guy is arrogant or stupid or both; I suspect that he is both.
That would never settle the issue. The issue would then become that the certificate is fraudulent, a fake, full of disinfor, a hoax, etc., etc.
Why? Because his birth certificate or citizenship is not the real issue to begin with.
True, it’s about his arrogant atempt to be even more secretive than Bush is.
I don’t agree. If he found the original, it would kill the meme.
I really think that is the case. The parents were not married. I am wonder what the hell is wrong with him all time. Obambi looks worry all the time, as if he knows one day , I hope before Nov, all his lies about who he is will come out and he will be fu..ed.
I think HE has made it a big issue, by not releasing the real, notarized birth certificate.
I think his parents weren’t married, but I don’t think it would matter to anybody.
I think his religion probably WAS listed as “Muslim,” since the father’s religion was the designated on same.
I don’t think anyone would really care about that, given that he was a baby and didn’t make that choice.
But I think Sugar and Mimi were right all along:
Once he said he had never been a Muslim, he had no other choice, politically, than to stick with that.
His issue isn’t illegitimacy or Islam.
His issue is his own choice to LIE about it from the very beginning.
I think the entire issue, once Muslim, always is crazy! I don’t give a dang what the nutsos in the Middle East think.
but …. I do agree with you.
That’s probably why the original is not offered.
He’s over-compensated from day 1 about this issue.
I personally do like Hillary’s strategy of trusting voters. It takes time, but if you keep being transparent and showing your true colors, you’ll get there. She had to insist and ignore the cries to get out to give herself enough time to prove herself.
I like her method much better than Obama’s, which is all about subtrefuge.
But I think that he’s not really hiding anything much.
Just the muslim stuff.
And the right-wing faction that is sure this is important will always think that.
*shrug*
There is something coming down the pipe that will be very damaging to the Obama camp. That is why there is such an urgency about everything that is going on. The endorsements, setting up an anti smear campaign, the fund raising, eliminating the role call at the convention, moving the DNC to Chicago. It seems very odd that they would go through such a power grab if there was not something that they fear will make him undesirable to the public and hoping that if they can get the entire machine under one roof and well funded they can somehow get out of it.
“something’s coming, i don’t know what it is, but it is gonna be great… around the corner…” it is a leonard bernstein song
from west side story. hehe… tonight, the jets are gonna have their way tonight… “well they began it, but we’ll be the ones to stop it once and for all, tonight”… anyhoo, i can’t wait to see what it is. he has it coming after all the meanness and disrespect his campaign has caused towards loyal base dems and the clintons… sorry i just don’t like the guy cause he is so corrupt. he shouldn’t even be a u.s. senator.
I agree, he is so incompetent that i will not hire him to work on my garden.
Maybe you’re right. I’d like to believe this stuff that’s going on is more than a big show of “it’s a wrap,” so don’t fight it — the way so many things are done in our society. BTW, have you noticed how un-exciting this race has become since HIllary left the scene? She was the excitement, every move, every pantsuit, every well reasoned answer and policy. Obama has become an animation of himself, a star in his own comic book. McCain cannot buy a headline and is rendered silent on the mainstream news. (The press has closed ranks to shut McCain out, similar to what they did with Hillary in the closing weeks. She would have to say something bordering on the outrageous just to get the press.) But without Hillary, Obama is a black man with no contrast. Hillary was the contrast. She answered the questions, threw down the gauntlets, and defied them all. Even in her “farewell” speech, she said “Never listen to anyone who says you cant or shouldn’t go on!” Magnificent. I bet Obama knows “something” is missing, too.
yeah did anyone actually watch that gore endorsement last night? not i, and probably not most hill supporters because most of us are boycotting the msm and barry did not have a hill speech to break into for the announcement. so whatever, i bet ratings were horrible for it…
You know, Joe….I think that may be a fantasy.
We may see just a regular campaign.
Here’s what I predict. McCain will continue to take the high road. I’m hoping he’ll start rolling out his vision. Does he have one? I’m waiting to see him move beyond reacting first to his Republican side and now to his new Democratic side. He needs to roll out his vision. That will win the election.
Meanwhile, the Republican hate-machine does its thing.
But …
This could be the year that the Republican party convinces America that they are more than just hate-mongers.
Frankly, the “progressives” have captured that title this year.
I’d let them win, if I were in McCain’s campaign.
I’d let the whiff of the “progressive” killing of Hillary linger, like a fart over the Democratic party.
I’d go positive.
And then rake in the votes.
The negative stuff gets our attention, no doubt.
But the positive stuff gets our votes.
Hillary proved that.
Well as much as i don,t like obama –pls don,t start calling him bastard we hav a lot of kids in this country who were bon before thier parents got married .
Damn my birth certificate looks just like his, how long is it supposed to be 4 pages Dave? I don’t get it, you people are bat shit crazy.
You are the one hanging around here, but we are bat shit crazy? lol Yeah…
if your bc looks like that, then you have a fake. no sigs, etc…
Your “birth certificate” has no connection to a hospital or a doctor/midwife? Really? Have we become such a faceless society? I’m 56… don’t know how old you are but I won’t argue with you about your own birth certificate. However, I must tell you that for a baby boomer like myself, such a “minimalist” birth certificate is an oddity. On the other hand, I just looked at the birth certificate of one “Suri Cruise” — yep the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes little girl and go to this site to see the details on that baby’s certificate of birth, which looks a lot like my 56 year old certificate from NYC. To see what we’re all speculating about, go to:
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-suri-cruise-birth-certificate/
Interesting.
The birth certificates has 2 seals, several signatures and and actually says at the bottom:
This copy not valid unless prepared on engraved border displaying seal and signature of the Registrar- Recorder County Clerk.
The nobama birth certificate has no signatures, no seals , no names who even laser-printed it.
You aren’t old enough to understand what we are saying. Just saying.
I’m 67 my birth certificate has:
Location of birth, date and time, name and ages of mother and father, address of parents.
It also has the name of the attending physician or midwife, the race of baby, mother and father.
Finally it has the raised seal and affirmation of it being a registered copy of the original and is signed by the registrar.
Years ago, Virginia gave out, in lieu of a second BC, a credit card sized plastic extract of the birth record. This was given to us for our daughter who was born in 1969.
The One is hiding something or, at the very least, is acting like he has something to hide.
What, have you turned EIGHT yet?
That version of the certificate has only been around since 2001.
Look at the bottom left corner.
Man.
You know, there really are some legitimate questions about Obama, and some valid concerns. With all respect, Larry — this isn’t one of them. His birth certificate has been out there for a couple of weeks at least.
It’d be great if a site existed somewhere on the internet that committed itself to taking a truly non partisan, analytical look at the 2008 candidates. I think there’s a market for that.
Just to say - wouldn’t he have had to prove his citizenship when he filed to run? Compared to what I had to show the DMV when I went to renew my driver’s license last year, I would think (hope) that a person running for the highest office would have to at least provide their birth certificate to prove that he/she qualifies. Heck, even my birth certificate wasn’t enough for my stupid license.
I guess in Chicago thing work differently.
I’ve not seen Hillary’s birth certificate either, nor Bush’s, Kerry’s, Bill Clinton’s, Paw Bush’s, etc.
Maybe she was really born in British Guyana. Wonder why the media never checked into it?
Sleepy,
Perhaps you are still asleep. Hillary had 2 parents who were U.S. Citizens and 2 brothers that also live in the U.S. and always have. Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Arkansas to 2 U.S. Citizens and so forth.
We don’t even know for sure where Obama was born but rest assured that is going to be uncovered.
He ain’t gonna make it folks not to our White House, Just Wait and See. There are at least 10 Million of the 18 Million who voted for Hillary that are working hard to make certain that he goes down.
it’s in the constitution and yet no one has to actually show their birth certificate? well i guess bush started it with making the constitution less and less powerful, so why not have bo continue to make it just a piece of paper with no meaning…
I’ve seen no true birth certificate. only an abstract. where can we see the actual birth certificate? I want to see it.
Wait, what are you now claiming he is hiding? Clearly as an Obama supporter (-bot?, etc) I am an idiot who is missing something obvious here.
Let’s see - if a copy of the birth certificate is available online, what exactly is being hidden? The annotated version? Cliff notes? What?
Readerly try to slow down your brain waves and listen:
what is shown at that website is obviously NOT a genuine birth certificate for several reasons, already stated. you were even shown a link to another real birth certificate so you could try to see the difference.
REAL birth certificates that are 40+ years old are not on fresh green unwrinkled, unfolded paper.
REAL birth certificate copies are not on bright colored paper either. AND they are marked COPY
REAL birth certificates give much more information: hospital or location of birth, birth weight, witness to birth and more. Fake at site has no specifics. It is NOT A REAL birth certificate.
There’s really nothing more we can tell you, We cannot make your brain process the facts. Presuming you were yourself born - shut up, go away - and if you really want to try to understand this - contact the specific city or county and state of your birth. For a few dollars you’ll get your own birth certificate and then you can see what one looks like.
I guess your birth certificate won’t show though if you were born with a brain. But you seem to have lost it now. So why don’t you go find that- which is more vital to your future than this thread is.
People have said that Obama’s father was classified as Arab in Kenya not as Black. Is it possible that the race of his father is not declared as Black on the birth cirtificate?
What is he hiding?
He has three nipples. (Mark Whalberg;s bet)
Or his religion is listed as muslim. (my bet)
Or His father is listed as God confirming he is infact the messiah. (Most Obamabots’ bets)
Or he is a twin, which would explain the flipflopping…ObamaA says one thing and ObamaB says another and the Campaign is hiding the fact that there are actually two of them. (the truth is stranger than fiction bet)
readerly - please provide a link to the actual birth certificate.
thanks.
Had Hawaii become a Sovereign nation in 1959…Oh well.
Still wait is he hiding his real bc for?
On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.
United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people.
In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. (The same is true of the Alaska plebiscite).
He’s really Jesus Our Savior but he’s too modest, so he made up this crappy phony certificate.
He wants us to believe he’s a mere mortal.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/book/?sc=1901&utm_source=1901&utm_medium=e
Beautiful! Thank you!
Its not the birth cert, its the immigration question and the citizenship question in INDONESIA. Someone needs to do their research on who his mother married in Indonesia… there is something there that they are hiding.
@baba yaga
This is a simple request from curious citizens:
Obama, sir, could you please show these kind voters your real birth certificate? Nothing much, you see. A trifle, really. Just a little document, which we are sure you can produce in not time at all. Thank you kindly.
Manu, my birth certificate looks pretty much exactly like the one on Obama’s site. Mine’s a copy I ordered from the state, as the original got lost somewhere along the way. So I guess I don’t understand how this document is insufficient.
Other states do things differently, obviously. My brother’s has all kinds of crap on it, even prints of his feet.
The copy you have is not a full copy of your birth certificate; both birth and death certificates come in the short version and you have to request the FULL version; otherwise you get the “short version” you have. Even those contain seals and signatures to show they are official.
I agree that Obama’s certificate is suspicious and someone needs to check the original copy he released for authenticity because, if he isn’t REGISTERED he would probably receive something like this.
One of my grandparent’s birth was not registered with the state and when it was time to draw social security she had to produce notarized documents from people older than her stating that they knew her age, how many years they had known her, where she lived and who her parents were. After several months they sent her an official document from the state that acted as a birth certificate. If Obama’s birth was attested to but not registered he might have received such a certificate but that would produce a whole lot of new problems, wouldn’t it?
I really don’t know why this is so difficult in this day and age. You have to have proper identification just to board an airplane. Every government worker must provide this basic information to get security clearance. Everyone (but Obama) has a traceable paper trail and we can’t even locate his Illinois senate voting record!
Oh, and if he were adopted by his Indonesian step-father he might also want to hide that.
I have a new copy of my birth certificate because my old one was torn it doesnt say copy on it maybe Im not a citizen?You also have to prove your a U.S. citizen to run for most public offices especially the senate.He doesnt have to prove something any half witt could figure out was a rouse!
i want to see the real birth certificate. if he does not have it he should just say so.
plenty of people don;t have the original.
that little piece of nothing on his web site is not a birth certificate.
why does obama give us so much to work with? he is so obviously a liar - it’s worse than bush .
On his birth certificate there is the word NEGRO Obama does not want to be called a NEGRO, he wants us to say he is half white
Do you mean half wit?
Larry - don’t stop pressing on this one. There’s a sense out there that with the posting of — whatever it is — the issue is done with. Who knows what the damn problem with the original is, but there’s plenty smelly about how this has unfolded. Mainly, where’s the statement from O himself? About what happened to the original, or why that wasn’t posted? About who ordered the copy?
Why did it come from Kos first? Why was the “copy” ordered just when the campaign started? What had he been using for the first 46 years? Again, where are the journalists!!!???
And how come we still don’t have someone who’s come forward with a 1961 Honolulu birth certificate to see what’s on it? Aren’t there any bloggers in Hawaii?
Stay with it, no one else is.
Rather than Taylor Marsh foam at the mouth because Gore endorsed Obama I would of appreciated her site more if she was asking the right questions about Obama, seems as if she has throw all her questions behind her and jump on the train.
Guess people loyalties are really in short supply these days, one thing this election has shown me is that you should never place all your trust in people around you, always leave room for the unexpected, I have never seen so many turncoats and rats leaving a sinking Hillary ship in all my life, now they are all lining up and jockeying for a post in a Obama’s administration if he wins, it is really something to look at the way people change like the weather.
It did not take even a day for Taylor to jump in the band wagon. It is not natural and it does not make sense. It raises question about the honesty and intergrity of the such person.
Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-06-16 22:05:17
As for Obama, if you wanted to be accurate on the adviser crew he’s selected, the historical mindset matches someone beyond the Marxist mindset, yet still the person is identified closely to their system of government and actually claimed to be legacy to the same ideas.
Obama’s a Trotskyist.
Permanent Revolution. He calls it “Change” but their themes bear most of the same signature rhetoric.
See if the following Trotsky quote doesn’t match what we’re hearing heading to the convention:
In fact, Trotsky did not think change was possible on a permanent basis in one country, for socialism to work it needed to be worldwide.
Bringing change to the whole world is probably a theme you will hear soon…
As for his exile years, he settled in Turkey first, where most of the White Army holdovers spilled into, before trying to work their way back after the iron curtain’s fall. This group of Lobbyists is no stranger to the Illinois Combine either.
Members of Turkey’s ruling class, working in concert with other intelligence apparatachiks to shape outcomes for venture backing deals involving energy firms and pipelines in the oil stans and Russia.
Fat Dennis Hastert’s buddies, many of the people Edmonds said were having undue word in determining America’s own intelligence matters through shared business interests. The Illinois Combine, certain for oil for food holdovers, suddenly these guys don’t look too different from the Houston outfit whose boss is telling Dubya what to do from the OVP.
Check this out..
pressblog.org/npc/SteveOHearn/2008/06/16/who-is-larry-sinclair/#comment-172
What does that make you?
Please answer how you can possibly defend, let alone condone the actions of your candidate.
Do you share his corrupt political values?
Lying, stealing, cheating, kickbacks, money laundering, shady land deals, stacking boards, etc., etc.
They haven’t found the three wise men and which menger he was born in. It was a virgin birth so how can he get a birth certificate.
I posted this as a comment to another comment thread on this site, but no one else had posted a link to this image that I found through google image search.
http://www.foreigndocuments.com/images/docs/marriage_usa_hawaii_small.jpg
The template looks very similar, but the amount of information is a lot less with BO’s. Is there another image with high resolution? I would like (as everyone) to compare them side by side.
I was unable to find a better image, sorry.
Who is hiding What ??
http://www.fightthesmears.com/
President Obama ‘09
I hear Obama is planning on opening a new website soon:
http://www.shittingourpants.com
It’s schedule to go live on November 4 as the poles close.
Oh an just before the polls open and the whitey tape comes out that website will come in handy. Pass the babywipes.
If I type very slowly will you grasp the concept then?
Release the full, original certificate of Live Birth or continue to face the speculation.
How simple a request from those he seeks to serve, wouldn’t you agree?
Mr Hopey Changey is all about New Politics, where’s the transparency??????
I know you guys are having a good time and all, but as a point of information, in this country, many people no longer have their original birth certificate, and even if they do, it no longer has a raised seal. The copy you see is what it will look like if you go to your vital statistics office and get a new birth certificate, and it will look exactly like the one on his site.
If you have legitimate concerns, bring them forth, this just makes you look insane.
I was born in Mexico before barack was even conceived. my birth certificate is quite detailed. Obambi’s is clearly a fake. He’s hiding something.
keep digging everyone. we’ll find it.
It’s not a fake. It is an official document of the Hawaii Department of Health.
No, Slim. There’s no notary seal or signature on that document.
Without it, the document is not official.
As I just posted above; you get the short version unless you request the FULL version of both birth and death certificates. If you get the abbreviated version it does not mean the information is not there; the original copy is still on file with the State.
You also get this kind of copy if your birth has been attested to rather than recorded by a doctor or hospital with the State.
I wonder if Larry was as good a CIA agent as he is a lawyer? You might want to direct your attention to the 14th amendment, you morons.
Also, Hawaii is a state.
But by all means, spend your time checking the kerning on Obama’s birth certificate.
I’m guessing that most of the stupid Obamabots that criticize Larry’s CIA career probably couldn’t even get IN the CIA, let alone deal with the physical or intellectual training required.
Run along, littel one. The grownups are talking.
14th Amendment eh? Didn’t give female citizens the right to vote, did it?
And the states joined the union with some caveats of their own, like many Hawaii natives still claiming to be a sovereign nation, Texas wanting to retain the right to Independence, and Wyoming insisting that they would stay out of the union for 100 years unless women retained their right to vote although it was another 30 years before the passage of the 19th Amendment gave the rest of the women the right to vote.
Do you suppose if Wyoming hadn’t been so stubborn Obama wouldn’t have had to worry about Clinton besting him in the popular vote?
Obama came to the USA to live with granny when he was 10 years old. He’s been here to visit many times with his mother Stanley. His father abamdoned he and his mother when he was 6 months old, she met and indonesian marxist man and went to indonesia to marry him and took barry with her. Barry has a half sister from that marriage. Stanley divorced and died young and granny took Barry when he was 10 years old..there’s the key.
I posted a sample of a REAL Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth on my blog, http://nobho.blogspot.com.
Compare it to the PHONY Birth Certificate O’boy is trying to pass off as real.
How come wordpress is not letting anyone view your blog?
Nevermind.. Got it!
I Want to see McCain’s original Birth certificate (with seals and all). I have this funny feeling He is toooooo old to be from this planet (let alone this country). He needs to prove he is not going to sell off this country to those aliens from the Outer Spaces ….
And you’re to young and immature to have any thing to say worth reading. Snot nosed punk comes to mind.
Awesome point!
Who are these people? After reading these comments, I thought this site was some sort of joke. I now see that they are actually serious!! WOW, talk about deterioration of the minds!
Larry –
Any truth to the rumor that Obama’s birth certificate was used to fake the moon landing?
Until Barry addresses these issues, these allegations will continues to dog him. Release your REAL birth certificate along with some moon rocks NOW!
How can we even be sure that Obama even exists until he agrees to let Larry perform a vivisection on web-cam.
Keep fighting , Larry! Only you are asking the questions we all should be!
NOT a BAD idea!!!
I have a working fund of knowledge on this topic. In order for a birth certificate to be valid, it must be authenticated by the state officials with a stamp and a raised seal. It would be able to be read easily. I have one for each member of my family. They take less than a month to get from the state you were born in.
In many states you cannot get your driver’s license renewed without one.
This birth paper does not have this requirement.
The reason he is slow with this (I think) his parents were never married. There is no record of his mom divorcing his Dad…his whole written story of his father is a flimsy lie.
If people find out he lied in print about this, his entire campaign is in jeopardy.
I agree that the campaign is CLEARLY expecting something big, it is the ONLY reason that there would be this extreme preparation for image war.
his campaign would be in jeopardy anyway if he doesn’t prove with a real birth certificate that he is a natural born citizen and required by our constitution. so until he shows us or whoever is in charge of allowing a candidate to be president, like maybe even the supreme court, the real thing, then i don’t think he can legitimately even be a candidate for president. and mccain will win by default if he doesn’t come up with it soon… and if he doesn’t come up with it, then the rightful nominee for the dems would obviously be hillary and they need to give it to her unless they want to lose by forfeit to mccain.
Comment by HillaryClinton4BarackObama | 2008-06-17 00:11:48
Who is hiding What ??
http://www.fightthesmears.com/
President Obama ‘09
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That document proves nothing—People are looking for the birth certificate that carries the information that would be required for a passport.
I am surprised that Obama is using it as proof himself. I thought it was just his supporters.
this site is debunked. so, therefore are you.
psst…Obambi is going to lose.
First off- that is not his birth certificate. That’s a “certification”. In other states it would be called a short-form. You can get a certified copy of your original birth certificate( most expensive- all information gathered at time of birth included), a long form, or a short form ( cheapest, least amount of information). Since we know money is not an issue for Nobama, I can only presume his original or long form would contain what he finds to be embaresssing information. Forms are generated by a clerical worker gathering information from the original and placing into pre-set fields. Terms are often changed to be less offensive and more modern. Negro becomes black. Mulatto becomes mixed. Forms never indicate legitimacy anymore. Forms would also include any amended changes to the original certificate such as name or sex. There is clearly something there he is trying hard to hide. Reminds me of the rukus over the passport file breach. His camp lost their minds over that for a good 12 hours. Good ol’ Keith-O had one of his on- air fits until it was revealed that McCain, Hillary and even Anna Nicole’s files were breached. Something’s there. No doubt in my mind.
Most Birth Cerificates ,if not all have the Hospital named and the State, time of birth,date of birth,hospital administrator’s name,child’s name,who the child’s parents are. I assume for the most part the attending physican’s name. Also the Hospital seal….At least this is the way it’s done here in Texas.
If I’m not mistaken,the birth certificates are processed by the hospital then sent to be recorded in vital statisics then sent to the parents..
I do believe this superseeds the update here…
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?
Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.
When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.
While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.
Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
Assuming the father is not a US citizen but the mother is the the child has to be legitimated before turning 21 which again I assume the parents must marry for the child to be ligit…
Whatever the case,it appears Obama has to provide evidence he is legit..If it’s true the hospital has no record he was born there then he does have a serious problem and needs to come clean with America.
yes he must abide by the rules of the constitution at least, this is not negotiable. these are the laws we all play by, not just a party. so he needs to come clean and show it, or else he shouldn’t have even ran for president in the first place or the repubs should have just ran gov. swarzenegger…
He has produced his Certification of Live Birth from the Hawaii Department of Health. It’s an official state document and certifies his birthplace as Hawaii.
He IS abiding by the rules of the Constitution.
Ah, but aren’t you even slightly curious about what is hidden on the true birth certificate.
When a politician hides anything, it always means on of two things: one, it’s something bad or two, it’s something REALLY bad!
No, not really. Aren’t you slightly curious about why so many people on this site want to pretend that the Hawaii Certification of Live Birth is (1) not good enough to prove Obama is a “natural born” U.S. citizen or (2) somehow fake?
The Obama campaign probably believes that an official state document proving he was born in the United States would quiet the false rumors about where he was born.
You actually don’t care when politicians try to hide information? Wow, that’s a level of faith that’s usually reserved for religious zealots.
I care when politicians hide relevant/important/worthwhile information. What exactly would be on Obama’s birth certificate that would be any of those things?
Look, I would prefer they released it, just to completely stop the dishonest rumor-mongers. They probably believed that an official state certificate of birth would take care of the “natural born” question once and for all. They apparently didn’t take into account the depth of these attacks.
But even with that said, what is on this birth certificate that actually matters?
Nothing, UNLESS is contradicts his official story, in which case being caught in a lie is always important.
There is NO evidence that his “official story” is untrue. All of this “his real middle name could be Muhammed(!)” nonsense is pure speculation.
I don’t need to see McCain’s or Clinton’s birth certificate to confirm their life details, why should I want to see Obama’s? He produced an official document showing he was born on American soil.
In March I read he has dual citizenship in Kenya and was born there and mom flew back and registered his birth 2 days later. It also might say muslim on it therefore making him not truthful.
Heh, you “read” this where exactly? The Hawaii Department of Health disagrees, they certify he was born in Hawaii.
Hawaiian birth certificates are stamped on the back with the date processed and signed that it is a legitimate copy.
If Barak Obama was born on US soil he is a natural born US citizen.
yes, but if he was indeed born in kenya, then he is not a legitimate candidate for president period and he shouldn’t have been a legitimate candidate for the nomination either. so hillary should be taking her place as the rightful nominee in denver in august if he doesn’t produce real proof of natural born citizenship with a real birth certificate not just a short form which will show all changes that were made since his birth.
You can’t CHANGE the place of birth on a birth certificate. Sorry, you’re just plain wrong here. The Hawaii Department of Health has produced an official certification of Obama’s birth, and it says he was born in Hawaii.
End of story.
This “he was born in Kenya” nonsense is pure rumor and speculation.
I don’t believe that he was born in Kenya but the story is not over until the voters know what he is trying to hide. After 7 1/2 years of Bush, I am very tired of excessive secrecy.
What could he possibly be “hiding” that has any substantive relevance today?
The constitutional requirements have been met: he’s old enough, he was born on American soil and he’s a U.S. citizen.
What dark, unforgivable secret to you hope to uncover on his original birth certificate?
What unforgivable secret…you would have to ask him.
However, I suspect it reveals a lie…maybe even a couple of lies.
What relevance does that have today?
If he can’t even be honest about a birth certificate why would I trust him with my country or my rights?
Obama has duel citizenship
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U. S. Senator Barack Obama is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
“Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan nationality.
There is nothing unusual about dual nationality. Indeed, ancient Roman Law doctrines of jus sanguini and jus soli come into play, because both Kenya and the U. S. recognize dual nationality. Once again, the issue is not ‘legality.’ The issue is the cover-up; Obama’s concealment of his own identity. From us, and most of all from himself.
Obama’s attempts to portray his father as an ignorant ‘goat herd,’ moreover, were part of his attempts at ‘identity theft’ against his own father, designed to create an imaginary picture of Barack Sr. It is inconceivable that Obama’s father was ignorant of Kenyan law, since he served as a government official and held a Ph.D. from Harvard. And it is inconceivable that Obama Sr. never told his son that he was a Kenyan national. Why has ‘junior’ hidden this information for decades?
“The American people, when deciding who to support for president, have a right to know if their ‘president’ is also a citizen of Kenya and owes dual loyalty to Kenya because he has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship.
National Review on-line
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
BARACK OBAMA
A Few Other Possibilities on Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate
Already the query about Barack Obama’s birth certificate is being declared ipso facto evidence of “xenophobia” by those who see a “racist America.” Well, I did grow up in a small town…
Hawaii’s State Department of Health explains the policy on releasing vital records here. Unless you’re a relative of Obama, your request will be denied.*
A few readers and other bloggers have wondered aloud what information possibly could be on the birth certificate that would make it worth keeping from the public. Beyond yesterday’s (mostly unlikely) possibilities — a foreign birth, a different middle name, or a different first name at birth — there are a few others. (I have been unable to determine precisely what information was recorded on a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii in 1961; any reader insight would be appreciated. I would note that what kind of information was on other state’s certificates isn’t all that helpful.)
Today’s standard certificate of live birth, as issued by the CDC, includes a wide variety of information.
Some states include data on the marital status of the mother. As mentioned in the previous post, details on the marriage ceremony and legal paperwork of the marriage of Obama’s mother and father are fuzzy. (It is now clear that Obama’s father was not legally divorced from his first wife in Africa at the the time.) All things considered, the possibility that his parents weren’t married seems like small potatoes in terms of scandals — not much of a reason to vote against Obama — but perhaps Obama’s campaign doesn’t want to open that door.
Some states record “religion” on the certificate. If Obama’s certificate said “none,” it’s hard to imagine that being a major scandal; Obama has talked about being raised in a home without much influence of organized religion. I suppose if next to where the religion it says “Muslim”, it would generate a predictable brouhaha, but it would reveal more about the beliefs of his father at that time than the candidate. It’s not like one-day-old Obama filled the form out himself.
(Perhaps the campaign fears opening the “will the Muslim world see him as an apostate?” can of worms again. But it’s hard to see how this revelation would be a bigger deal than his attendance of a Muslim school in Indonesia, that he talks about in his book.)
Then there is the strong possibility that the document asked for “race.” I encountered this comment in a web site detailing a research effort at the Family Health Services Division at the Hawaii State Department of Health:
Hawaii is a very unique population. Some of this uniqueness is reflected in that the majority of all births in Hawaii can be considered multi-ethnic. The impact of this heterogeneity on outcomes is not known. The Department of Health seeks a graduate student to evaluate the birth certificate file for birth outcomes of Preterm delivery and Low birth-weight with a particular interest in changes depending on classification based on reported child’s race, compared to mother’s race, father’s race, and both the father’s and mother’s race.
It seems likely that the certificate would record baby Obama’s race. While Obama’s biracial heritage is pretty obvious, is it possible that the certificate records him as only one or the other? Would that be enough of an embarrassment to keep the certificate sealed? Again, one would think that possibility would reflect worse of the doctor/document preparer or (perhaps) Obama’s mother, but not much of a serious gripe with the candidate.
The only scenarios that could really be damaging to Obama himself were if he was born overseas (again, pretty darn implausible) or if he legally changed his name sometime in young adulthood. The idea that he was given some other name at birth and chose to rename himself after his father doesn’t seem unthinkable, considering his complicated relationship with his father and sense of identity…
* UPDATE: “Mr. Vice President, it’s up to you to solve the mystery.”
ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:
The ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:
#3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet
#9. Race of Father
#10. Age of Father
#11. Birthplace (of father)
#12a Usual Occupation
#12b. Kind of Business or Industry
#14. Race of Mother
#17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy
#17b. Date Last Worked
#18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)
The word ‘religion’ does not appear on the form in use in April 1962.
And a reader brought up a surprisingly plausible scenario. We know that by high school, Obama was identified in yearbooks, etc., as “Barry Obama.” But we know the relationship between Obama’s parents was rocky at times (Obama describes a short article about his father, profiling the Kenyan foreign exchange student, in the Honolulu Advertiser that doesn’t mention his wife or newborn child). What if on his birth certificate he was identified by his mother’s maiden name… Barack Dunham?
Or Barry Dunham?
06/10 02:37 PM
Michelle Malkin The buzz about Barack’s birth certificate
By Michelle Malkin • June 10, 2008 07:39 AM Jim Geraghty takes a look at longstanding blog buzz over Barack Obama’s birth certificate, which the campaign refused to release to the St. Petersburg Times in April:
We tried to obtain a copy of Obama’s birth certificate, but his campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.
Has anyone seen it? Why shouldn’t the record be in the public domain for presidential candidates?
Geraghty walks through various rumors now circulating in the wake of the Obama campaign’s birth certificate blackout, including this one:
Rumor Three: His mother did not want to name him after his father, and his birth certificate says “Barry.” Perhaps the most plausible of the rumors, as Obama was known by that name through much of his childhood and young adulthood. If true, this would spur a new round of “When Barry Became Barack” stories – a minor headache for the campaign, but hardly a major scandal.
Lest the Obama campaign start whining about this issue being an unfair “distraction,” John McCain underwent intense scrutiny of his citizenship status because of his birth in the Panama Canal zone, leading the Senate to declare him a natural-born citizen in April.
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yes, it is not a distraction to ask for a real birth certificate because the constitution says that only natural born of a certain age can be president, so if he can’t prove this, then he is a illegitimate candidate period. there is a big difference in the roolz of a party, vs. the rules of the constitution. all americans live by them and no one is above them including the messiah. so bring on the document or i will personally get in touch with gov. swarzenegger and tell him he may as well run in 2012 because bo set this precedence that you don’t have to be a natural born citizen…
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Obama Could Debunk Some Rumors By Releasing His Birth Certificate.
Having done some Obama-rumor debunking that got praise from Daily Kos (a sign of the apocalypse, no doubt), perhaps the Obama campaign could return the favor and help debunk a bunch of others with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate?
Reporters have asked for it and been denied, and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.
The campaign cited the birth certificate in their “Fact Check” on William Ayers, so presumably, someone in the campaign has access to it.
(Apparently the lack of birth certificate, which would state the time of birth on August 4, is driving the astrologers nuts, as they need his birth time to calculate… whatever it is they calculate.)
There are several (unlikely) rumors circulating regarding Obama’s birth certificate.
Rumor one: Obama was born in Kenya. Rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene. However, if it were true, it would probably raise a major question of “does he qualify as a natural-born citizen”? If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen under because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for “ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”
Ann Dunham was 18 when Obama was born – so she wouldn’t have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16.
(Interestingly, apparently there isn’t much paperwork on Obama’s parents’ marriage. Obama: From Promise to Power, page. 27: “Obama later confessed that he never searched for the government documents on the marriage, although Madelyn (Obama’s maternal grandmother) insisted they were legally married.” Also note that Obama’s father apparently was not legally divorced from his first wife back in Kenya at the time, a point of contention that ultimately led to their separation.)
Rumor Two: Obama’s middle name is not “Hussein” but “Muhammad.”
As Politifact notes, all available public records going back to 1991 refer to the candidate as “Barack H. Obama.”
It is theoretically possible, if not plausible, that Obama changed his name at some earlier point in his life, as he was sorting out his issues of culture and identity. But this would mean that Obama recognized how emotionally-charged the name “Muhammad” would become in American life long before the 9/11 attacks. And if you’re going to change your middle name from that of the central figure in Islam because you fear controversy, picking the last name of the highest-profile anti-American dictator in the Middle East (Saddam) doesn’t seem like a huge improvement.
Rumor Three: His mother did not want to name him after his father, and his birth certificate says “Barry.” Perhaps the most plausible of the rumors, as Obama was known by that name through much of his childhood and young adulthood. If true, this would spur a new round of “When Barry Became Barack” stories – a minor headache for the campaign, but hardly a major scandal.
If the concern of the Obama campaign is that the certificate includes his Social Security number or some other data that could be useful to identity thieves, that information could easily be blocked out and the rest released. (Although I wonder if identity thieves would find Obama a tougher than usual target, since using the name on purchases would almost inevitably bring closer scrutiny.)
I wonder if there is any possibility that Lolo Soetoro legally adopted BHO? We do know that BHO was registered as Barry Soetoro and not Barry Obama while in Indonesia, right?
I was an office manager for a lawyer for 14 years and during that time we had several cases where children who had been adopted by a step-parent with name change had to file with the court for a name change back to the birth name after the parent and step-parent later divorced.
Every time an adoption occurs with name change of a child, a new birth certificate is issued showing the adoptive parent as the birth parent. In other words, if Lolo Soetoro adopted BHO, then Lolo would appear on the newly issued birth certificate as BHO’s father.
Just a thought . . . and a possible reason why BHO refused to make public his old passports. Maybe the ones to Indonesia were under the name of Barry Soetoro?
Hmmmmmmmmm………..
This is the problem, INDONESIA has the answer. Whatever reason, he is hiding something, maybe fraud for financial aid in college?
Something is wrong here and Indonesia has the answer.
And his birth name may have been Dunham, not Obama.
It would be just like the OMEN!
The Obama campaign has distributed the official Certification of Live Birth issued by the Hawaii Department of Health.
He’s a natural born U.S. citizen. End of story.
Ahhh, because YOU say so.
Yet another “Nuff Said” puffer.
No, NOT “end of story.”
The story’s just beginning. The questions, above, and below, are being asked.
The question isn’t just his CITIZENSHIP. It’s “What WAS your name? Who WAS your daddy? Did you change any of that to something different? If so….What’s your name? Who’s your (adopted?) daddy?”
Barrack Obama’s mother and dad were married only 5 months before his birth….They married Feb.1961 Barrack was born August 4th 1961..
His father was not a U.S. citizen..He was an African Student here attending a Russian class at the University where he met Obam’s mother….According to the information I found Obama’s father left him and his mother shortly after Obama was born to attend Harvad then he returned home to Kenya…
Obama’s father was not in the U.S long enough to become a citizen…And from researching I found nothing to support any legal documents filed for him to become a citizen….Being married to a citizen doesn’t automatically give citizenship…SS numbers and legal documents have to be filed and obtained.
Maybe Larry or someone will check this and give all of us updated information to support this….
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,0,5157609.story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
NOTE: Birth Certificates do not certify anyone as a citizen…Only proves you were born….Go Figure!!!!
What does Obama’s father’s citizenship have to do with anything?
Obama was born on American soil and is a U.S. citizen. End of story.
I don’t think he was born in Kenya, I think he is a USA citizen.
I do think that something in the birth certificate makes him look bad. I think it is 1 or 2 things…his name was not Barack, maybe not Obama on the birth certificate..His mom and dad were never married.
Both of these would debunk his memior, and expose him to furthur investigation about more lies.
There’s no proof of any of that. That is pure speculation (i.e. wishful thinking) (i.e. grasping at straws).
He has produced an official Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii’s Department of Health, showing he was born in Hawaii. Any “dark secrets” people hope to find on his birth certificate are products of their own imaginations.
Why not discuss your disagreements over policy or his experience level? Rather than a smear campaign about him being born out of wedlock or with the real middle name “Muhammed.”
Obama’s policy he brings so he claims to Washington is transparency, you seen any transparency by Obama yet?
He demands it of everyone, says that is what he is all about, then he needs to lead by example and not do as I say and not as I do.
But that is policy that you do not deem important since you believe him after all his lies right?
Seems if he was going for the veep, he’d be thoroughly vetted.
How come a Presidential candidate/nominee is vetted less than a veep?
What makes you think he hasn’t been vetted?
Firstly why still all the debate about his eligibility to run for President? How come key information on his birth certificate is still not known to the public who are asked to vote for him. He is running for public office, commander-in-chief, that information is not personal anymore.
Voters are entitled to have a legitimate question like this answered. If he’d been properly vetted this question would’ve been answered already.
And there’s his dealings with and connection to Rezko, Auchi … lots of unanswered questions …
There is still a debate about his eligibility ONLY among blog commenters on the internet. The “key information” on his birth certificate has been VERIFIED by the Hawaii Department of Health. He is eligible to run for President because he’s old enough, he was born on American soil and he is a U.S. citizen.
End of story.
There is still a debate because there is still questions in the mind of people with internet access regarding his eligibility.
Internet access opens up a lot of information to people that no other medium does.
Just like any form of query or quest for information be it for scientific discovery, investigating a crime or research for your college thesis, when you find a piece of information and it raises more questions that you asked, you have keep going. You don’t abandone your research because your effort has thrown up more questions and the task got harder? You follow your leads, each one to it’s logical conclusion. Access to information facilitates this.
No information = no debate. Little information = little debate. Outside the internet, the msm has abrogated their duty to inform the public. Their silence on many important issues are deafening, to the detriment of democracy.
Thank God for the internet, the bane of dictators and tyrants.
Bloggers who are asking these questions are the freedom fighters for democracy, for freedom of speech of the 21st century.
Others come here to stiffle that or distract.
Aside from all the crap about Obama being born in Kenya or the USA, based on the date of birth being a friday and registration a monday, another question arises:
Obama’s parents were married and lived in Maui, Obama’s grandparents lived in Honolulu, different islands. Women prefer to have a birth with their regular doctors, which Obama’s mothers was obviously in Maui. So why the Honolulu birth on Obama’s fake certificate unless:
Since it was summer, Obama’s father could have been in Kenya with his other wife at the time of Obama’s birth and his mother was with her parents for support?
Under Hawaiian and US regulations to protect Hawaiian native rights, claims and heritage measures in place at time of Obama’s birth in 1961, a new borns race is stated and determined solely by the attending parents race at the time of birth, if Obama Sr was not present, then the childs race was determined solely by the mothers race.
Therefore on Obama’s original birth certificate it could be that his race was designated as white.
If he was designated as white at his time of birth, wouldn’t that be a hoot, and then Obama will have to make a speech on White folks because then Obama is just a whitey like Father Pfleger, since he was determined to be white at the time of his birth…lol
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Well, I find myself in the minority twice in life. I never saw Reagan’s “great communication skills.” Neither do I see Obama’s.
But then, I think that says a lot more about me than about him. I am pragmatic. I like facts and logic. I LOVE Paul Krugman, even when I don’t want to hear what he has to say.
Obama bores me. I must be the only person in the US who is bored by him.
I honestly just find him boring and can’t sit through a speech.
Hillary was boring, but yet I hung on to the last word because every word counted.
She’s like the college professor who made you think.
He’s just the hip, slick, cool guy who had lines out the kazoo and no follow-through.
I gave up bad boys back in my 20s. Alas, not before I’d really messed up, of course. LOL*
But I did learn my lesson.
Mel…
Exactly, there is something on the birth certificate than Mr. Obama thinks makes him look BAD to someone, or about a story he committed to pen.
This is a deception.
It is like everything else with Obama, avoid until caught which is rediculous for someone claiming to be Mr Transparency
Slim Tyranny…
His was never vetted by MSM, all the info that is coming out now was posted on Google for anyone to see. People took his stories in his book Dreams of my Father..to be facts, and they are not. Many items of his stories have been debunked.
He has yet to prove that his 1st book is any more than the way he wants to you see him…his package, not the MSM’s…
Obviously the stork brought the wrong baby.
It’s not the birth certificate, it’s the lying.
Will they impeach Barry yet?
my parents were not married, on top of this, my Father was married to onother woman, and She was pregnant at the same time as my mother. My mather still hate me, but why me, it was Her decision.
So, I believe , there is another reaso, why Obama is hiding !!!
So, what is the charge here? I have read this, and other less breathless discussions about the birth certificate conspiracy, and cannot make sense of what people are not saying. The charge is that the original is not displayed, so this is a cover-up of what?
If it’s a fake, as in not a certified, then there is complicity by Hawaii records officials by not mentioning that “hey! This is counterfit!!!”
I find even the most fervent Obama supporters in such a role unlikely to let this pass.
The other possibility, as far as I can tell, is that this is a certified copy…not the original. Again, so what? It came from the government records officials of Hawaii (if you don’t believe so see above). I find the notion that some great conspiracy to knowingly falsify this record rediculous. That they would idly sit by while a forgery was passed as the real thing is equally unpersuasive.
One of the most annoying aspects of the rumor mill is the staggering lack of evidence. “He’s a terrorist plant!” “He’s not a citizen!” “His toes are painted blue!” “He’s from Neptune! Prove me wrong!”
I want someone to prove one of these claims right for a change. Not ‘I talked to someone who knows who heard that….’ but actual first-hand evidence of something. Anything.
And for the record, since I will be painted as a troll…registered republican, voted independent prior to 2004. Voted for Kerry as anti-Bush. Leaning towards Obama (as anti-McCain) and fascinated by the vitriol within this party. I am all for a good fight, but when the issue is about secret hidden race or he said/she said whisper BS it reminds me why the US political landscape is the pathetic shambles that it has become.
Wow someone with a brain!Of course your not a hillary supporter.
Those are convenient “facts”, but not having seen the originals of their birth certificates, I have no reason to believe them.
Right? . . . . .
Hiding the birth certificate? It’s right here.
Dear Dufus, That is a phony certificate for a number of reasons. Do some research.
Can you guys finally let this stupid, inane nonsense drop? This whole guilt-by-assertion nonsense does nothing to help our country or its political process.
As Jon Stewart once told Tucker Carlson, you’re hurting America.
Questioning where someone was born and under which religion is hurting America? If we regress upon the security afforded to us in this day of age against hostile nations and terrorists simply by failing to understand where a major presidential candidate stands is injuring our nation than let it be injured so that it can wake up.
Where he was born is relevant to the question of eligibility; under which religion is not.
He produced a document from the state of Hawaii that says, “yes, we have this person’s birth on record.” That settles the “where” question. Everything else is irrelevant. Whether his race was listed as “white”, whether his parents were married or not, whether they were Christian or Muslim or Wiccan or Subgenius, none of that has any bearing on his eligibility to run.
Oh, and it would seem that the birth certificate was up on “Fight the Smears” when you posted your original article. Don’t you do ANY research?
Comment by wesmorgan1 | 2008-06-17 12:58:52
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That is a fake one. Don’t YOU do any research? You just believe anything coming out of the Messiah’s camp?
Step back from the sippy cup of koolaid, would ya?
Ha, “fake one.” No, it is not. It’s a pdf of an official Certification of Live Birth from the Hawaii Department of Health.
Furthermore, if it was fake, one would think the state of Hawaii would make a stink about it; forging official state documents is generally frowned upon.
As I’ve pointed out multiple times in multiple threads, I’ve had to get a a certified copy of my birth certificate, and it is not a faithful reproduction of the original hospital birth certificate. It is an official document that states, “yes, we have a record of this person’s birth on file,” but it does not reproduce all the information on the original.
What I don’t understand is how he could have been registered in schools and colleges and use the name Barry Soetoro, his step-father’s last name.
Wouldn’t he have had to be adopted to use his name on legal documents? Since when can we just pick whatever name we want to use?
Comment by Andrew | 2008-06-17 12:43:19
Hiding the birth certificate? It’s right here.
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Really? Since when is African a race?
Larry, the original birth certificate is not enough! We should demand a videotaping of Obama’s birth, that includes identifying Hawaii markers such as Waikiki, and the statute of King Kamehameha. The original birth certificate, so easily forged, will prove NOTHING!
Keep up the vigilance! VIDEOTAPE OF THE BIRTH!!! WE DEMAND IT. Throw in the whitey tape too!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Of all this “damaging information to the Obama campaign”; What are the chances that this has something to do with COINTELPRO having information on Obama’s father? They had information on “civil rights groups” and other groups that are tangentially connected now to Obama. Given the time-frame of when Barack’s father married in the US and then re-patriated to Kenya you have to REALLY wonder. There’s really no reasonable explanation other than the DNC and other party elites suppressing information that would be rightfully obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. We saw the Reagan administration do the same thing to hide information. Both Reagan and Obama have the same cult of personality. I don’t want to hear Obama’s name spoke by the Democrat Party the same way as the GOP after he usurped the primary from HRC!
The thing that is out there is a REISSUED CERTIFICATE. It’s been digitized.
It’s not the old originals, that used to look like paper copies of negatives.
Why not just xerox that old one and hand that out? You know, the one he used to get a passport, to go to school with, to apply for loans, whatever?
Two reasons, perhaps?
Perhaps he was born with the less romantic name, Barack Hussein Obama DUNHAM.
Back in the day, if two folks weren’t married, they gave “the little bast-ud” the name of the MOTHER. It wasn’t a negotiable/choice point, like it is now. I know lots of unmarried women these days whose children have the father’s name, but way back when, that wasn’t how it was played.
No marriage certificate, no daddy-name.
Loyal Hillary (and entire Clinton family) supporter. I cannot stand O’Bummer!!!
Only one parent needs to be a US citizen, and you can be born abroad, so that is really a non-issue with me.
Something just isn’t right though. The copy of the birth certificate looks fake, like many have said: no hospital name…did the mother not take her husband’s name or were they even married? Maybe they couldn’t get married in the US since the father was married to other women in Kenya, and it wouldn’t be legal here? That doesn’t mean he’s not a US citizen (I would LOVE that though & he’d have to leave the race)…
Little things that add up. Like him saying in Selma that his parents got together because of the march on the bridge…which happened AFTER he was born. Then when he said that JFK was responsible for his dad coming to study in the US, which was incorrect. One thing may not seem so unusal, but it does when you add them all up. And nothing adds up about his father. I mean I heard him say something once about his brothers. I’m like “What? he has brothers???”…
If he wants to help the world and bring about change…why not make a bigger deal about your African family? Why not be proud? Why not give them money? Bill Clinton is doing more for Africa that Obama ever will in his entire lifetime. I wish people would have noticed that.
One thing has been bothering me. Maybe someone can help. Back in 1961, different words were used, that are today now offensive, so I hope I don’t offend. I’m trying to be historically correct, not offensive: but would a birth certificate (even if it is a copy, it is invalid if anything was changed)…anyway, would a birth certificate back from 1961 say the father’s race was AFRICAN AMERICAN or Negro?
Obama’s birth certificate wouldn’t have “Muslim” listed as his religion because neither of his parents were Muslim. His father was an avowed atheist. Think up another smear kiddies, this one doesn’t work.
Obama dad’s WAS muslim..his mother was the athiest.
I thought his dad was a Muslim, and his mother was an atheist. I don’t know though, but I’m not making an issue out of that.
I never liked the parents who wouldn’t give their kids medical help because it was “against their religion”. The kid didn’t choose that religion, you can’t force religion on anyone…and that’s forcing it. So it doesn’t bother me what his parents believed.
What does bother me is that he speaks about deadbeat dads on fathers day (a day to celebrate dads…he should have given that speech on mother’s day), yet he writes books praising how great his father was. ???
Another thing that bothers me is that it doesn’t matter to me what his parents feel about religion. It matter what HE thinks. I found out how he thinks from Rev Wright and Rev Pfleger.