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Swiftboating, HuffyPot Style

Back in the day, you know, four years ago, when John Kerry took it on the chin about his navy career, democrats decried the “swiftboating” of his military history as republicans smeared what was, at the least, honorable service to our country.

Well, some Obamoids learned the lessons verrrrrry well. At today’s Huffypot (do the google, I won’t link), Jeffrey Klein has started swiftboating John McCain’s navy career by implying McCain was both over privileged (he’s an elitist too!) and an incompetent flier. He starts the piece with a question about whether or not McCain was in line for a promotion to flag officer, but Klein quickly veers off into smearville. Of course, it wouldn’t be an anti-McCain talking point if he wasn’t tied to Bush:

Read the rest ->

McCain’s sense of entitlement to privileged treatment bears an eerie resemblance to George W. Bush’s.

But I think the part I loathe the most is this:

The genius of McCain’s mythmaking is his perceived humility amid perpetual defiance. Having been a rebel without cause, and often a rebel without consequences, McCain apparently was not surprised when his Vietnamese captors went relatively easy on him compared to his fellow POWs.

Wow. That’s pretty brutal. Wonder what standing this guy has to make such veiled accusations? Nice too is the title of this little hit piece: “McCain’s Secret, Questionable Record.” Of course, Klein says all he really wants is McCain to release all his navy records and that would answer ALL POSSIBLE questions. I call bs on that.

This campaign cycle resembles nothing so much as the Rove directed Republican efforts of 2000 and 2004, only with Democrats in the Republican role. Phew! Nasty! I’d like to see what Klein could do with the records of a Medal of Honor winner. Bet this crack investigator could get that award cut down to a “time served” ribbon.

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Comment by gqmartinez | 2008-06-17 18:48:26

This is a pretty stupid move. Lots of potential to backfire. People didn’t like Kerry personally, so it was easy to trash him. It’s a different story with McCain.

Comment by Anonymous | 2008-06-17 18:53:30

The Obama campaign is one giant stupid move kept going by MSM and DNC in his pocket. Lets see how much longer the honeymoon lasts.

Comment by Bella | 2008-06-17 20:14:08

Why does Oblahma always wear those wife beater t-shirts that always show thru his starched shirts? He is so ghetto.

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 21:54:02

Yeah.. no racist undertones there.

Comment by ken | 2008-06-18 01:05:51

So you must think rap is a racist art form.

 
 
 

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 21:51:52

Yeah so stupid they sent Hill home. Man they are dumb. Can’t get any dumber. lol

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 22:52:10

What a shock it will be when you Obamabutts get to the GE and find out it isn’t a caucus, and you can’t win by threatening, intimidating, using force or doing other classy things like taking away a little old lady’s walker so she can’t participate.

The media will probably continue to support Obama, since after all, he is much more manageable for the assorted group of crooks, thugs and unsavory characters who own him than McCain would be. But most voters will not be impressed by cowardly little weasel Obama, who never served this country at all, sending out equally weaselly supporters to attack McCain, who is a genuine hero.

So please keep it up. And don’t think about the fact that it really doesn’t require a lot of intelligence to be a thief (and sooner or later thieves usually get caught and have to pay for their crimes). And Dean, Brazile and Obama have a lot of crimes to answer for, not the least of which is the utter destruction of the Democratic Party. This fall, when John McCain ends the short but miserable political career of Barack Obama, and the somewhat longer but equally miserable careers of Dean and Brazile, what will you do? Go to work at McDonald’s or become a community organizer?

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 22:58:06

Well I already work at McDonalds. And obviously the rest of your post can’t POSSIBLY be disputed. Obama should just quit now…..not! We’re just happy to be in the game, btw… where’s Hill?

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 23:04:46

I got an email from Hill.

She thanked me.

She linked me to a photo album on her site.

Funny thing — she did NOT ask me to support Obama.

She didn’t even mention his name.

And she’s clearly not campiagning for him lately.

Neither is former Prez. Bill.

Their silence is deafening isn’t it?

Yeah — we JustSayNoBama’s hear the silence too.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:30:53

I got that e-mail too. That was very nice of Hillary.

 

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 23:40:15

That’s cool, I imagine she has plenty of time now to work on her garden, read a book etc. until O summons her. Until then it’s best that her and HUBBY just shut up.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:17:14

I now understand why you BOBOweenies didn’t vote for Hillary. You thought she was a house wife. LMAO, sorry to rain on your beautiful day in LA LA Land but she has a full time job in the Senate to go back to.

 
 
 

Comment by libby | 2008-06-18 15:38:21

An Obama troll! Don’t feed it and it will go away.

 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 02:22:08

Obamabutts

That is a good one!!

I’m going to start using Obamabutts!!

 
 

Comment by ken | 2008-06-18 01:07:56

Too bad we can’t send you home. Or maybe you are at home. So much time to post here. Having a nice summer lazying around. No school. No job. No responsibilites. The essense of Obamabots.

 
 

Comment by Raoul Duke | 2008-06-18 10:51:36

I don’t see the link to this article. I’m aware of all internet traditions, and usually the writer is to include a link to the original article.

 
 

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-06-17 18:53:41

Shit, just demand all of Obama’s records from birth thru- the senate.. Hope a McCain operative will take this suggestion back to the camp. And make it snappy please.

NOBAMA

Comment by Joe | 2008-06-17 20:20:20

Maybe they’ll make it part of their October surprise. Release a ton of dirt on Obama to the public and the MSM and make it impossible for his wankers to rationalize, justify, ignore and excuse them. No sane voter would willingly vote for the Selected One in November.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:33:58

Everybody knows his job as a IL state senator was part time and most of the time he was the junior senator from IL he was running for president. There’s probably a lot of empty space in his “record”.

 
 
 

Comment by Lucinda | 2008-06-17 19:02:00

Maybe the McCain campaign needs to start a “Stop The Smears” website.

 

Comment by UKforDems | 2008-06-17 20:07:02

Get some reality – Kerry was an American Hero – he saved the lives of his fellow Soldiers. McWar ignored orders and got caught. He was a fool and a danger to our troops. Do you really want to elect him?

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 20:23:10

Shitbag. How does it feel to be a shitbag? Attacking a soldier’s war record is the lowest you can go.

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 21:59:14

No not quite Hope. How about calling the candidates spouse a “Bitch Wife” or “Baby Mama” or repeatedly insisting the candidate is a Muslim or the Anti-Christ. Aren’t you the pious one.

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 22:59:04

Hope is right. But since you Obamabutts are totally devoid of decency, like your candidate, you don’t see anything wrong with attacking someone who has fought valiantly for this country and endured torture in a prison camp. Just like you see nothing wrong with disenfranchising states who did not vote for your candidate. Anything goes in Obamanation.

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 23:09:32

To the contrary mousymarcy. I think I’ve made cleare what I think about what was written about j-mac. But you take one truth and go into disenfranchising fantasy land trying to make that an equal truth. She lost. Let if go.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:36:36

Hillary lost. BOBO accused her of wanting him murdered. And now the BOBO boys are swift boating John McCain. It seems the the fringe will never change.

 
 
 

Comment by Manchu Walk | 2008-06-18 07:27:18

I thought Theresa Heinz Kerry was a sour-faced, imperious bitch, too, and I have pointed out she and MO bear a striking resemblance to one another. So, “bitch wife” is not the same as “baby mama” which I have never said, because I lived in Bushwick for five years and know what it means, unlike Obama’s adoring, privileged white media sycophants who are so enjoying dipping into a foreign culture and washing away their guilt. I never insisted Obama is a Muslim. I think he may be the Antichrist, but Al Gore and King Juan Carlos II of Spain are possibilities.

Comment by Manchu Walk | 2008-06-18 07:28:39

Sorry, I am also Manchu Walk. Automatic signature for another computer.

 
 
 
 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 20:27:22

Do you really want to elect him?

If his opponent is George W. Obama — not only yes, but hell yes.

And nice touch about being so concerned about the troops, but a little late. All the military types I know are supporting McCain and scared shitless of Obama getting anywhere near the Oval Office.

Comment by Johnny at Work | 2008-06-17 22:13:19

I did – USMC …. I’d have been proud to serve with either Kerry or McCain….

Both have the physical and mental courage of the best type of leadership. Especially McCain. Very very very few are able to endure what he went through.

Special treatment? My ass! If anything the VC and their Chinese and Soviet handlers were more brutal on higher ranking and connected officers.

The propaganda value was higher within the Vietnamese political structure than with US relations.

Don’t thing so? Then why does the US military push the capture and kill of high ranking Al Qaeda leaders onto the networks. When a high value target is taken out, the name, rank, and minute details play out for days.

With an ordinary foot soldier all you are fed is how many others were killed along with him.

A kill or capture, or capture and torture of high ranking US Military goes a long way in winning the hearts and minds of the bad guys.

File this under “what planet you been livin on homey”.

McCain is a hero period. God Bless Him.

Comment by dpvegas | 2008-06-17 22:27:07

Hear hear! USAF here, and our pilots give their all. As do all of us, the support people.

I HATE when these people start attacking these brave men’s records. At least they SERVED.

And any vet who publicly goes along with these horrendous tactics, well, I just hope they get theirs. In spades…and in triplicate.

Comment by Ms J in FL | 2008-06-18 10:42:56

cheers from the USN too!
wouldn’t mind McCain or Hillary on my side in a fight. Obama???? pleeeeese.

 
 
 

Comment by dpvegas | 2008-06-17 22:20:54

That’s because of BO’s “plans” for the military. My husband, and all the military people with whom he works, think BO would decimate the military.

His “plan” is something to the effect that he’ll computerize everything (Predators) and if people are needed, why, we’ll just privatize the rest (isn’t privatization a GOP thing?). He’s an idiot.

Also, the anti-military far lefties are starting to crawl out from under their rocks. And I’m sure they just LOVE the precious. I doubt any military people will vote for him.

 
 

Comment by andySF | 2008-06-17 20:29:14

did you serve then? If not, shut up! We vets have a lot of respect for him.

 

Comment by DirOfTheObv | 2008-06-17 21:07:52

Not surprising to attack an American Hero. All things good are bad, truth is lies, love is hate, inside is outside….

Obama’s satanic influence just permeates everything around him…from his apostate church, to the way he treats women, his contempt for women, flipping birds while giving presidential campaign speeches, trying to give Iran credit for the US Military troops awesome job in Iraq, on and on and on it goes.

Nothing he does or will do surprises me anymore, frankly.

 

Comment by Zeke | 2008-06-18 02:03:35

 

Comment by libby | 2008-06-18 15:39:50

Another Obama troll or just a sock puppet?

Go home troll.

 
 

Comment by Whatever | 2008-06-17 20:50:46

People didn’t like Kerry personally, so it was easy to trash him. It’s a different story with McCain.

Not only that, there’s also the fact that Dems respond to Big Media differently than Republicans. It’s another reason why it won’t matter who if MSNBC doesn’t turn on Barry.

 

Comment by Leisa | 2008-06-17 23:17:03

Well, let us see Obama’s academic records…

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:38:45

From the madras…

I hear he was tops in his Koran studies.

 
 

Comment by MaryPat | 2008-06-18 02:18:44

Kerry has let it be known that he wouldn’t turn down a VP offer. CW is that he would rather be Secretary of State, but he looks desperate for any position. Surely no one thought Kerry is singing Obama’s praises out of the goodness of his heart.

Obama-Kerry. Now there’s a winning ticket.

 
 

Comment by Shainzona | 2008-06-17 18:52:19

This will backfire big time. John McCain’s service to our country is not and should not be an issue. I don’t care if he didn’t know his left from his right while flying…he was held captive for 5 years and survived.

THIS WILL BACKFIRE…keep it up Obamabots!

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:04:31

Yes, Obama swiftboated Clinton. It won’t work a second time.

People are outraged already about what was done to the Clintons.

They won’t tolerate it again.

McCain already has a natural strike against him…his age.

If Obama can’t beat him fair and square without smearing?

Then Obama needs to go back to the state legistature and learn how to really be in politics.

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:09:55

I would prefer that Obama get out of politics completely; it’s obvious he cares nothing about the welfare of his constituents.

Comment by Judith | 2008-06-17 21:25:45

Agree. He only cares about his celebrity. He seems like one self-centered individual.

 
 

Comment by Barbara | 2008-06-17 19:34:04

If people are outraged at what was done to the Clintons, why didn’t they stop it, and why aren’t they trying to do something about it today?

Comment by standard | 2008-06-17 20:26:26

Can you suggest anything legal that was not done? Emails? Demonstrations? Boycotts?

 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 20:30:19

We’re doing something about it this fall — on election day we’re voting for McCain.

 
 

Comment by salliort | 2008-06-17 19:55:05

McCain already has a natural strike against him…his age.

His age? He’s healthy. What’s your problem?
He only has top serve four years and then give it to Hillary.

He survived the Hanoi Hilton for five years of torture.

I think he can survive four years in the White House.

Comment by NY still loves Hillary | 2008-06-17 20:35:00

I know none of us will survive 4 years of Obama.

 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:38:01

Good point…..but that was’t my point. McCain has his age against him as well as the Bush admin.

That’s his real baggage.

He has to put forth his platform.

Today was not a great day for me and McCain. He put forth off-shore drilling.

I’m opposed.

I am in LA. Sorry, no sale here.

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:05:26

What he put forth, Ann, was to let the STATES decide and life the federal ban.

If CA doesn’t want to, it doesn’t have to.

If Florida wants to, it can.

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:15:18

Mary has it right..lift the ban it is up to the states…

 
 

Comment by jangles | 2008-06-17 21:22:28

I think McCains age is one of his plus marks. It means he is more likely not to go more than 4 years. We could wind up with an Obama for 8 yrs. and another 20 yrs of mucking around as an ex-pres soaking up a gazillion dollars in Secret Service protection.

Comment by athena | 2008-06-17 22:28:22

I agree – with age comes wisdom, temperance, knowledge and patience.

Obama is one impatient dude. Did not even finish one Senate term before seeking the highest office in the land. WTF?

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 05:35:39

I agree – with age comes wisdom, temperance, knowledge and patience.

not really. but there IS disillusionment, and, if that is incomplete, only so much energy for utopian schemes.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 22:12:33

C’mon A. You can’t put this on O anymore than you can put the multitude of crap out there about O’s religion, african relatives, etc. etc. It’s deplorable I agree. There’s wackos in every election that can’t be controlled (see NQ). When the swiftboating and outrageous ads start coming O’s way I’ll bet a dollar to a dime all you’ll get from NQ is just a bunch of cosigners. Hell NQ is already complicit.

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:23:25

The lie-packed emails about Hillary came from the Obama camp.

Here’s an article about one. Notice the professional writing style of the boldfaced email text:

In the past, people gave Barack Obama flack about his pastor. Now an e-mail claims Hillary’s pastor has been convicted of child molestation. So if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor’s comments, then Hillary should be equally tainted.
As if we even have to tell you, this one is FICTION.

Just like most of these, it takes a sliver of truth and makes it out to be real.

Police charged a former pastor in the village of Clinton, New York, with the crime. One headline in that area read, “Former Clinton Pastor Charged.”

It has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton at all.

Here is the e-mail for you to read:

IF A PASTOR IS KNOWN BY THE COMPANY THEY KEEP!

When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth And nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton Pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton’s pastor has been convicted of child molestation, will we see the same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to endure these last few weeks?

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP …… Then you need to email this article to everyone you Know.

Here the CLINTON’S Pastor is convicted of child molestation. So, if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor’s comment; then Hillary has to be equally tainted by this man’s crimes.

GIVES NEW MEANING TO SHOE ON THE OTHERS FOOT…http://www.digtriad.com/news/GoodMorning/article.aspx?storyid=105034&catid=67

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 22:39:03

What about the picture sent to drudge with O in African garb obviously meant to feed the frenzy that he’s a Muslim, with insinuations of all sort that accompany that. Even now on THIS site those rumors still persist without challenge. To see only one side is to be blind.

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 23:13:17

Hillary did not send that goofy picture to Drudge. Just another lie by Obama to try to misdirect attention from how stupid he looked in that picture.

Does Obama’s mouth ever open without a lie popping out?

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 23:25:13

For sure…Obama MADE Drudge lie. Man the talk about blind followers!!

Comment by Observer | 2008-06-17 23:29:11

That was debunked and proven to have originated from a right wing publication…

 

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-17 23:30:00

Oh and while we’re at it.. it was Obama’s fault that there was no sniper fire. lol His fault that Hill flushed millions of campaign dollars down the toilet, his fault that she had no strategy after super tuesday, he MADE Hill agreee that Florida and Michigan would not count, he wrote the rules for the DNC nomination process, and finally the biggest truth… HIS FAULT THAT HILL IS NO LONGER IN THE RACE!!

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:47:27

you have to be the sorest winner the world has ever seen LOL

 

Comment by Manchu Walk | 2008-06-18 07:34:12

There is no way, no matter what you say, that you were ever a Hillary supporter. You’re such a lying, vomitous worm like your hero Obama. WTF did he ever do in the way of foreign policy? He ever visit a combat zone? Ever do anything for the troops or to end this war he was so opposed to?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 04:05:41

No Obama needs to go to jail!!

Wait until Rezko starts singing!!

 
 

Comment by DirOfTheObv | 2008-06-17 21:09:04

You bet it will backfire. Most, if not all, military personnel will not in anyway side with them on it.

 
 

Comment by fran | 2008-06-17 18:52:53

McCain’s sense of entitlement to privileged treatment bears an eerie resemblance to George W. Bush’s.

The genius of McCain’s mythmaking is his perceived humility amid perpetual defiance. Having been a rebel without cause, and often a rebel without consequences, McCain apparently was not surprised when his Vietnamese captors went relatively easy on him compared to his fellow POWs.

OMG–that is despicable! You know what kind of “special treatment” they gave McCain in his hellhole prison cell? They beat him daily BECAUSE his father was an Admiral. I guess breaking his arms repeatedly to get him to talk was also part of the “cushy” treatment he received at the hands of his captors. I am thoroughly disgusted.

I am like others who have blogged: I started out willing to listen to Obambi. I was immediately struck by his lack of experience, knowledge and palpable arrogance. The race-baiting, hypocrisy, sexism and weakness of character, not to mention the DNC manipulation made it impossible for me to support him. Now, as each day passes, his surrogates tactics have become so repugnant that I am more inclined to consider a vote for McCain. I have never vote for a Republican in my life.

And what, exactly, are Obama’s “superior” military credentials that they can even begin to criticize McCain’s? I bet Klein has never left his office chair.

Comment by Medusa | 2008-06-17 20:14:15

Oh please. BO has the most grandiose sense of entitlement. I would call him an African Prince, except that he’s really an over-privileged white guy with more melanin than most.

Klein is a fool, as are most of the kool-aid junkies on Huffpo.

 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 20:36:00

what, exactly, are Obama’s “superior” military credentials

The only statement of Obama’s about his lack of military service that I am aware of was something to the effect that he didn’t serve because the draft had already ended. I would interpret that to mean I didn’t serve because I didn’t have to, which is fair enough; but to then turn around and attack McCain on this issue, even by cowardly using a surrogate, is, exactly as you call it, repugnant.

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:07:30

I find these people trashing McCain’s service absolutely despicable.

They’ll drive every single “maybe Obama” vote AWAY from voting for Obama.

Democrats…..Swift Boating. I never thought I’d live to see the day.

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 21:29:18

I’ve voted for the Democratic Presidential nominee every election since Carter. There is by now a long list of things that have happened in this campaign that I never thought I’d live to see being done by the Democratic Party.

I’ll never vote for Obama, and I’ll never vote for anyone who helped him do all this crap.

 
 
 

Comment by Observer | 2008-06-17 23:32:06

Wow, this sounds like anti-Hillary drivel….

Change a few talking points but the tone and charges are the same… They are not paying the trolls enough. Nothing original here.

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-06-17 18:56:26

The lesson that seems to have not been learned is that McCain will defend his record whereas Kerry allowed the slur to go unanswered believing he was “above” it.

McCain declined to be released when the offer was made. The enemy hoped to gain an advantage because of his father’s position. These are facts without dispute. No one should push the swifties too quickly. They clearly are better funded, have much more material with which to work, and are more experienced at it …. I say, let the games begin!

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 20:30:50

That’s the kicker: This is McCain’s word against the Viet Cong, and the Blame America leftists at Huff Po take the enemy’s word over a patriot’s. That is why Obama will lose this fall. The majority of the voting public wakes up around Labor Day, and when they see these Obama supporters, they are going to show up in droves to vote for McCain.

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-06-18 01:42:23

You might want to read some of McCain’’s confinement in A CODE TO KEEP by Ernest Brace, who was held by the North Vietnamese with Mac at various times.

McCain was held by North Vietnamese forces, not VC. A small distinction, probably not all that important to those who weren’t There.

Comment by Manchu Walk | 2008-06-18 07:35:45

SORRY I WASN’T FUCKING THERE I WAS BORN IN 1975 YOU ASSHOLE

 
 
 

Comment by blueasthesky | 2008-06-17 21:05:38

Kerry’s campaign responded to the ads the day they first appeared, and the senator himself denied the allegations whenever asked about it, as he was on the day immediately following. He was criticized by some Democrats (notably Tony Coelho) for not being forceful enough; according to them, Kerry should have lashed out at them indignantly, shown some outrage rather than give bland denials.

But Senator Kerry certainly DID NOT allow the slur to go unanswered.

 
 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 18:58:17

They acted, to my shock, more Republican than Republicans against Hillary.

Am I surprised they are behaving this way toward McCain?

Absolutely not.

Zebras don’t change their stripes.

This is a nasty bunch, this so-called Progressives.

I want nothing to do with them.

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:07:49

Why on earth are these people called Progressives?

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:09:29

Well, I think progressives is a term for those raised by Republicans in rebellion against their moms. I chalk it up to pressure to go to Harvard, when they were really lucky to get into State.

Now, that is, indeed, a very informal definition. :)

 

Comment by Vince P | 2008-06-17 19:57:27

They’re acting totally within the historical template for Progressives.

Here is an excerpt from a review of a book about Progressives.

IMHO the Progressive movement of the past was a vast assault on our Constitutional government.

http://www.libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_08/sandefur-progressives.html

For instance, McGerr notes that the progressivist Walter Rauschenbusch “emphasized the fundamental importance of transforming individual human beings.” He quotes Rauschenbusch: “The greatest contribution which any man can make to the social movement is the contribution of a regenerated personality. . . . Such a man will in some measure incarnate the principles of a higher social order in his attitude to all questions and in all his relations to man, and will be a wellspring of regenerating influences.”

In 1900, such a far-reaching assault on individualism was much more radical than today. Its leaders, therefore, advertised their campaign in terms their target audience would accept: moral uplift; protecting the weak; helping the poor; serving your fellow man. This packaging attracted the middle-class audience, raised on Victorian moralism; Mencken said that Woodrow Wilson spoke to voters in “vague and comforting words — words cast into phrases made familiar by the whooping for their customary political and ecclesiastical rabble-rousers. . . . ” The union of government and altruism — what came to be called the “Social Gospel” — was born. This explains the apparently middle-class origins of progressivism. But the product itself was — as with all socialist movements — built by elites and sold to the people, not the other way around. Despite their frequent invocation of democracy, the progressives were quite un-democratic; their state would be a democracy programmed and operated by experts. John Dewey, for instance, insisted that “the cure for the ailments of democracy is more democracy,” but he defined democracy as “that form of social organization, extending to all the areas and ways of living, in which the powers of individuals shall . . . be fed, sustained and directed.” Directed by whom? By Dewey, of course.

The progressives’ moral relativism gave the illusion of democratic values because of its majoritarian style. But in fact, it set the standard of justice as The Rule of the Stronger, whoever that rulemaker might be.

Progressivism transformed democracy from rule by the people into rule by a government elite
in the name of the people. As McGerr writes, “In 1908, the Democratic platform demanded, ‘Shall the People Rule . . . ?’ It was a deceptively simple question. Who were ‘the people’ . . . ? It was not obvious at all.” Indeed, “the people,” as used by collectivists, has always meant the rulers, who claim that being controlled by the state is in “the people’s” interest, whether they like it or not. Even the socialist historian Eric Foner criticizes the progressives for being overly confident “that the state could be counted upon to act as a disinterested arbiter of the nation’s social and economic purposes.”

But when their bureaucracy failed to reach this unreachable star, the progressives’ only solution was to further insulate the bureaucracy from public influence. The result of this was a state that was less democratic, not more. As their pursuit of “rational,” disinterested economic planning increased, so too did the exclusion of the voices of the people, who seemed always, to the progressives, to be tainted with “partisan” interests.

Consider also the many exclusionary programs created by the progressives — programs which show that not everybody counted as “the people,” notwithstanding the progressives’ “pull-together” rhetoric. When Theodore Roosevelt said he had to “stop the influx of cheap labor, and the resulting competition which gives rise to so much bitterness in American industrial life,” he was explicitly excluding a vast group of the world’s population from achieving the prosperity and “more abundant life” that the progressives invoked as their aim. In this case, organized labor was “the people,” not the Chinese immigrants.

Legal segregation was another progressive “solution.” The late 19th century saw a rash of lynching throughout the nation — in some years, more than one every other day. “The solution,” McGerr writes, “was a dramatic intensification and codification of segregation. . . . Through differing mixtures of law and custom, every Southern town, city, county, and state tried to achieve two goals: first, to send an unmistakable message of racial inequality that would intimidate blacks and reassure whites: second, to deprive blacks of so much economic and political opportunity that they could never threaten white power.”

In short, the progressives failed to solve the problem they created, which Richard Hofstadter describes as “whether it is possible in modern society to find satisfactory ways of realizing the ideal of popular government without becoming dependent to an unhealthy degree upon those who have the means to influence the popular mind.” They failed because this task is impossible — and because whose influence is “unhealthy” depends entirely on whom you ask. Like all government intervention, progressive “solutions” were subject to the public-choice effect. As government becomes more powerful, as it redistributes more resources to favored groups, the incentives for lobbying increase. Government power then falls into the hands, not of the most deserving, but of the most politically adept. Since the 1900s, political innovations intended to put “the people” in charge have sooner or later been taken over by political elites. And every year’s crop of candidates speechifies that this time, they really will eliminate the “special interests,” and empower “the people” to rule through a new menu of agencies and bureaus.

But progressives had also destroyed their only hope of rescue from government-by-faction when they attacked the concept of natural justice. Progressive political theory laughed at the idea that human beings were naturally free, or that political principles preceded the state. Instead, since “social being determines consciousness,” justice could be chosen a priori and imposed by government: a society was “unjust” if it differed from some preconceived idea of the “good society.” And without any pre-political standard of justice, those shaping society (on behalf of “the people”) were free to choose any standard they wished, and once written into law, it became, ipso facto, justice. The progressives’ moral relativism gave the illusion of democratic values because of its majoritarian style. But in fact, it set the standard of justice as The Rule of The Stronger, whoever that rulemaker might be. This is how progressives justified violating individual rights in the name of “democracy,” even though previous generations had understood that democracy could never legitimately violate individual rights. For Justice Holmes, it was a oxymoron to say that a law was unjust — it was “like shaking one’s fist at the sky,” because “the U.S. is not subject to some mystic overlaw that it is bound to obey.” But without a pre-political standard of right and wrong, how could progressives complain when government was taken over by “special interests”? Moral relativism undermined their appeals to democracy, therefore, even as it enshrined the absolute rule of the majority.

Even rituals like the Pledge of Allegiance — a progressive invention for inculcating national obedience — remain today.

Imposing preconceived standards of justice on society meant a lot of cutting and stretching, and thus progressives saw World War I as “a special opportunity for reform, a chance to promote their agenda at point after point.”

Phear the Progressives

Comment by Observer | 2008-06-17 23:35:39

Elitism is what we need to challenge IMHO…

The problem with many progressives is that they are so convinced they are correct and above all that they can justify anything.

 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 20:32:52

I think Progressive refers to the state of their respective mental illnesses.

Comment by NY still loves Hillary | 2008-06-17 20:39:11

In that case, we need to start calling them “terminals”

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:22:34

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by yttik | 2008-06-17 18:58:46

At least Mccain requires swiftboating. Obama does it to himself.

Barack Obama aide: Why Winnie the Pooh should shape US foreign policy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2139573/Barack-Obama-aide-Why-Winnie-the-Pooh-should-shape-US-foreign-policy.html

Comment by ulahane | 2008-06-17 19:04:14

OMG, where does he find these people?

 

Comment by DAB | 2008-06-17 19:31:59

I suppose he’s referring to Jimmy Carter.

 

Comment by ghost2 | 2008-06-17 19:39:57

A gaffe on the same scale as, “I voted for it befor I voted against it.”

 

Comment by DirOfTheObv | 2008-06-17 21:27:32

NOTHING he does surprises me anymore. NOTHING. I think he truly wants to look like an idiot. I think the whole lot of them are f’d in the head.

 

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-06-17 22:14:23

…….? Why…just why…? GODDAMN IT. I was looking forward to being able to travel abroad again once Bush left office. Dear God. Are we Americans ever going to be able to take a trip without being laughed at as typical, dumbass, ugly Americans?

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-06-18 01:48:26

I got a leather passport cover with a Maple Leaf on it, a bunch of Molson’s shirts and regalia and say, “Eh?” at the end of each sentence.

If you REALLY want to appear Canadian, completely eschew Tipping and brush up on Hockey trivia.

A true, dyed-in-the-wool Canadian will fill his pockets with Sweet ‘n Low and sugar packets every time he eats, too.

Who would do anything bad to a Canadian? Aren’t their winters punishment enough?

 
 

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 05:47:53

The reference to Bill Buford’s “Among the Thugs” in that article is a curious coincidence. Among the Thugs has been much on my mind during this campaign. Pay attention. It is excellent stuff.

Here is a link to an audio precursor of the book. It is one of the most unforgettable radio programs ever and at the top of my list of all time favorite programs. It is very timely.

http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=158

 
 

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-06-17 18:58:59

You can’t expect good judgment from Democrats who thought it was brilliant strategy to call their fellow Democrats racists.

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:06:07

Good point.

 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:10:21

Bingo! Or get on national TV and claim that entire states are uneducated.

LOL*

 
 

Comment by Laura | 2008-06-17 19:00:52

This is so despicable! All I can say is get a copy of McCain’s book and read what he went through in prison. After I did, every time I see him I have so much admiration. You may not agree with all of his positions, but he loves this country. People who write this garbage aren’t fit to wipe his boots.

Comment by DirOfTheObv | 2008-06-17 21:29:01

It’s only going to rally Americans to McCain. They’ve KNOWN John McCain since they saw him on newsreels from ‘Nam.

Comment by dee4hill | 2008-06-17 22:19:03

You are definitely right about this. It’s going to rally service men and women, police officers, etc. You watch it backfire on them. They don’t want to go there – they don’t want to swift boat McCain on his war record. It would be instant death for Barky The Radical One.

They’re also going to have to tread lightly on McCain’s age. You watch how likeable, knowledgable, “grandfatherly and Reagan-esque” McCain is going to look at the Town Hall Meetings, compared to Mr. Uhhhh, the Arrogant One, Plastic Jesus.

That is, if Barky has enough conjones to stand up on the stage with McCain. Looks like to me that he’s scared to debate anyone… whether it’s a woman or a 71 year old grandpaw.

Wonder how he’s gonna do on the “World Stage?”

If that thought doesn’t fill you with the fear of God, I don’t know what will. Let’s see, dancing with Queen Elizabeth, doing the “bump” with the Pope, and slapping Angela Merkel on the a&&.

And they try to compare these people to JFK and Jackie? Yea, ghetto style…

Hillary or McCain ‘08!!!

 
 
 

Comment by Michigander | 2008-06-17 19:02:14

McCain should demand all the missing information about Obama like his medical records, copy of his original birth certificate, proof that he registered for civil service, copy of his old passports and Illinois State Senate records.
I think this will backfire especially since McCain has fellow POWs stumping for him.

 

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:05:03

McCain was such a lightweight that when offered the chance to be released early from captivity, he refused the offer unless those held captive longer than himself were released. I’d be willing to bet that if Obama were given the same choice under the same circumstances, he would have accepted in a heartbeat. Those who have also called McCain a traitor for reading statements while a POW have probably not been tortured like McCain and his fellow captives were. It is my fervent wish that all of these armchair soldiers find themselves on the front lines of Iraq or Afghanistan (as long as it doesn’t put real soldiers in jeopardy).

Read his military biography, and see what a real hero looks like. It sure doesn’t look like Obama!

 

Comment by ummm | 2008-06-17 19:08:31

What does this have to do with Obama or his campaign? Jeffrey Klein is a writer not affiliated with Obama in any way.

Just like Super Hillary Boosters Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Anne Coulter are not associated with Clinton.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:11:19

You get 1 point. True. He’s just a pro-Obama hack.

 

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:19:34

Bullshit! This is just like the racist smears against Hillary. Obama lets his buddies in the media and elsewhere do the openly dirty work while he sits in the background and says nothing (thus condoning the smears). If Obama were a real man, he would in public denounce this Klein asshole and tell his supporters to knock this kind of stuff off. I won’t hold my breath that this will happen; Obama doesn’t have that much character.

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 04:35:34

Obama is a Passive-Aggressive (he’s a back-stabbing SOB — but he’s sneaky as hell and mostly he gets others to do his dirty work, so he can appear ABOVE it all). However, we got a taste of just how nasty he really is with his on the record sexist remarks about Senator Clinton. Plus the priceless video of Obama flipping Clinton the bird — that again shows what a nasty person he is– but sneaky.

The ObamaBUTTS come here and keep denying that Obama said anything sexist or that he flipped the bird — because Obama was overtly sneaky.

McCain (or Clinton) 08

Cinton 2012

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-06-17 19:22:45

Love to see when the 527’s put an ad on with their legislative records side by side … a post office named for a dancer and a statement on the Congo versus 26 years? Can you say no contest?

 

Comment by Greg | 2008-06-17 19:31:31

crawl back in your cave troll, you’re just scared cuz you know Obama is going to get killed once the 527’s unleash their fury after the convention in August.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 20:34:48

The Huff Po is a megaphone for the Obama campaign, and they rely on memos with talking points from the Obama camp HQ. You bet your ass this is Obama.

Comment by karen for Clinton | 2008-06-18 07:41:08

Attacking Mac like that will unite republicans in the same way it united Hillary dems against ob.

The media built him up and can’t wait to tear him down. They will ACT as if they are SHOCKED to find out how unpresidential ob is.

Huffy and kossy fooled the sheep of bo with utter obvious lies and propaganda they spoon fed to his low information and gullible voters. They are in it for the money, period. Check out their past.

Ob’s media supporters lost the core dems by attacking Hillary with absolutely ridiculous lies.

They will do the same with McCain till Hillary is out officially.

Then the real General will begin and they will attack him as they intended to all along.

Lather Rinse Repeat – every 4 years.

Hillary was simply the best and everybody knew it.

They just kneecapped her to get Mac in – and it sure did work well.

Even knowing that – I will vote for him.

Beating ob is all we can do, becoming a citizen for McCain is the option we must chose.

Sadly but surely… unless a miracle happens or a disaster to ob.

 
 
 

Comment by NomNomNom | 2008-06-17 19:13:53

“McCain’s sense of entitlement to privileged treatment bears an eerie resemblance to George W. Bush’s.”
Gee, I thought this quote bears an eerie similarity to the treatment HRC got.
If not Clinton, then McCain in 08.

 

Comment by ummm | 2008-06-17 19:16:02

Reads like he an anti-McCain hack.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:31:38

a hack is a hack is a hack…or so I’ve heard.

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 05:55:43

but a hawndsaw when the wind is north-northwest.

 
 
 

Comment by open mind | 2008-06-17 19:18:18

He caved on the torture issue after being tortured himself. Of course, I honor his service, but I no longer honor him as a “maverick.” What a crock. He flip-flops more than anyone ever has.

http://www.therealmccain.com

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 19:20:44

No, you are thinking of Obama, the master of the flip-flop.

Comment by open mind | 2008-06-17 19:24:04

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 19:47:46

yes you are.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f6Lge-__OOE

Here is another flip flop for you

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7OjOQ6xz1b8

and another

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fnJyGjwjuwY

and who can forget this flip flop flourish…this is multiple flip flops in one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GdRUhCT–rI

flip floppin Bacrackhead Obaba.

 

Comment by salliort | 2008-06-17 20:07:44

Yes you are, open mind.

Obama flips,flops and then flees.

I never heard the preacher say that.

I heard him, but he didn’t mean it.

I don’t know the peacher.

I have left the church.

The problem with having an open brain is anyone can put junk in it.

 
 
 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-17 19:41:05

Brother Can you spare a dime?

Al Gore Kool-Aide Rehab Fund!

http://tinyurl.com/55gpj6

 

Comment by yttik | 2008-06-17 20:58:15

Obama didn’t even bother to show up to vote on the torture bill.

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:25:16

If he had, he probably would have voted “Present”.

 
 
 

Comment by Agust304 | 2008-06-17 19:25:51

I got this from a friend who was at the dinner. Now top this Bambi:

April 30, 2008;

It came to me while I was having dinner with Doris Day. No, not that Doris Day. The Doris Day who is married to Col. Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, fighter pilot, Vietnam POW and roommate of John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton.

As we ate near the Days’ home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.

When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions. They want to know about character, the values ingrained in his heart. For Mr. McCain, that means they will want to know more about him personally than he has been willing to reveal.

Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, “I told you I would make you a cripple.”

The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day’s will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at “a goofy angle,” as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.

But it didn’t heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day’s splint in place.

Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complemented the treatment he’d gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.

Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.

Today, Mr. Day, a very active 83, still vividly recalls Mr. McCain’s sermons. “He remembered the Episcopal liturgy,” Mr. Day says, “and sounded like a bona fide preacher.” One of Mr. McCain’s first sermons took as its text Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21, “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.” Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn’t ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor.

Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can’t raise his arms over his head.

One night, a Vietnamese guard loosened his bonds, returning at the end of his watch to tighten them again so no one would notice. Shortly after, on Christmas Day, the same guard stood beside Mr. McCain in the prison yard and drew a cross in the sand before erasing it. Mr. McCain later said that when he returned to Vietnam for the first time after the war, the only person he really wanted to meet was that guard.

Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment. “He wasn’t corruptible then,” Mr. Day says, “and he’s not corruptible today.”

The stories told to me by the Days involve more than wartime valor.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:34:37

Oh god….I was very young when Viet Nam guys came back. I was incredibly gullible, so I listened to all the war stories and felt. It turned out that a lot of those stories were simply manipulations for the obvious reasons.

Anyway, since then, I’ve not been able to listen to war stories.

But this one got me.

 

Comment by Greg | 2008-06-17 19:38:49

Your story is very touching, I’ve always respected McCain but never read his book nor have I heard this particular story, I knew I didn’t want to vote for Obama but this makes me actually want to vote for McCain.

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-06-17 19:54:37

Bud Day is a great guy.

 
 

Comment by Nobama | 2008-06-17 19:25:54

Absolutely horrifying article. One thing no one can take away from McCain is his military service and he shouldn’t prove anything to these cowardly hemorrhoid-laden armchair critics. No need for a retort from McCain, this kind of thing says it all about the Obamanuts.

The commentary from the Obamabots makes me lose hope for the future of humanity. Klein’s statements are a true reflection of his hero, the bird-flipping, flip-flopping, Reczko-Wright-Ayers befriending Obama.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:57:03

Oh trust me….Obama will continue to try to take away that respect.

Did you ever think you’d see the day when Bill Clinton was fighting off being slandered as a racist?

Trust me. Kerry will be on the stump next talking about how McCain is lying.

These people are snakes.

 
 

Comment by cofer | 2008-06-17 19:27:23

If this moron only new what it takes to land an aircraft on a carrier.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:24:19

Disgusting remark. Typical Obama supporter.

 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 04:51:33

So true — pilots risk death every time they land.

My dad was Navy Air — and he did the carrier rotation. Even the flight deck is dangerous.

The Obamabutts are totally out of line in questioning McCain’s service to America or his love of country. The Obamabutts are insulting ALL military personnel — currently serving, retired or those who have given the ultimate — their lives.

But hey let the Obamabutts make fools of themselves and more enemies! These jerks will lose more votes for Obama then the GOP upcoming ads.

HoDean and Poopelsoi etc. will have hell to pay for engineering the Obama-nation on America.

This sort of smear is like what the GOP did to Max Cleland — another Vietnam Vet hero. That was wrong and what the Obamabutts are trying to do to McCain is wrong.

 
 

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-06-17 19:27:53

Good, go ahead: I DARE them to try to ’swiftboat’ McCain when it comes to his military service, etc.

In a way, I was hoping they would be stupid enough to try that. The backlash effect would be huge.

NOBAMA!

Just Say No Deal.
http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

PUMA!

Comment by POdVet | 2008-06-17 19:56:24

Yeah I could see the backlash of that attack ad. As Veterans of WWII Korea and Vietnam line up behind McCain wearing their Congressional Medal of Honor’s. You could damn well bet every single person in the service would vote AGAINST Obama!

Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.

Comment by salliort | 2008-06-17 20:12:36

That is insulting to Jackasses. Jackasses deserve better than Obama. :)

 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:26:17

watch Uhhbama waving goodbye to VA as the military lines up to vote against him..

hankies in hand buy buy Uhhbama!!!

dont write!!

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:29:29

What? Virginia? Wasn’t that a promised “Flip that state?”

Did you see that the Clinton supporter in SC won today on the down-ticket? *heh*

In SC! Land of the big landslide.

His Obama girl got whupped. Only one in one county.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:26:02

Obama’s still trying to scrounge up some ex-cons, dead people, blacks and college kids. Don’t write VA off yet!

 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:35:10

Cool, Ann.

This is a sign Democrtas are voting against Obama supporters.

Very Cool.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by cofer | 2008-06-17 19:28:09

If this moron only knew what it takes to land an aircraft on a carrier.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:26:42

You said that before Top Gun, and you’re still a shitbag.

 
 

Comment by soldier4hillary | 2008-06-17 19:29:09

Fucking unbelievable…sorry for the language but the sheer audacity! These people do not care about anything other than “Obama”! Do they not care anything or hold anything to a higher esteem then this man?

Do they understand the concept of “Country” over “Party affiliation”. NOW there taring down a persons military service? I dont care if he flew bats for a living..unless you have been there and done that and have the ability to even understand when it comes to a persons military service. You should not put down or question something you know nothing of.

The Huff*** Post has just became equivalent to a grocery store tabloid. You would have to be idiotic to attack something you have no idea about. Anyone can sit behind a screen and judge someone. But this, this is just overwhelming. And they wonder why no one is supporting this man.

527 Ads made by this stuff alone will win every large military installation and the surrounding areas that support us. Between this, god** america, and the “first time of my life, I am proud of my country” speech, Senator Obama has lost, period, point blank. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE would ever support a person who has the ability to look down on the job we do when they have not even came close to doing it themselves.

How in Gods name (lord forgive me) can anyone state that a POW “was went easy on” compared to others? What the fuck is wrong with these damn people?! Do they have any clue what it is like to be in a country with the enemy all around you? But to become a POW and have someone try to SMEAR you based on how easy the torture was?

I feel fucking sick to my stomach that the Democratic Party has put us into this situation. Right now the Republican party is looking like salvation. I might not like the policies but I know Mccain loves his country and has a child serving there now. And there is no way in heaven or hell I could ever feel at ease with a person such as this leading our country when deployment is a reality of life for me.

Its one thing to be a paid blogger making bullshit comments on blogs. But its a whole different ball game when the presumptive nominee paid shills write articles such as this as a talking point.

The Democratic Party has stripped away the core values and foundation as we know it. Attempted to silence millions to achieve a goal. Changed the rules to get what they wanted. And are now attempting to take away the honor of someones service to there country to achieve a goal.

There is no limit to what they will attempt and allow, as well as destroy, just to have Senator Obama. For some unknown reason, that scares the shit out of me, a person with the ability to be able to convince others to look down on or even feel remotely comfortable with criticizing or demeaning a former POW is something that should wake the american people up. To be able to convince the masses and find fault with something they have no idea about should send a shock like nothing else.

As of right now, I dont see how the Democratic Party will remain having a majority in anything as these type of articles get more attention. More people need to be aware of this, especially in our military communities because this is just wrong on so many levels.

In there attempt to discredit Senator Mccain by attacking his POW status, is what in my opinion, one of the many things that has contributed to handing the Republicans the elections and the majority.

We may not like the policies but we damn sure love our country, and Senator Obama cannot win. Thank you No Quarter for bringing this to light and as much as it pains me to do so, I have to send this article out to others. If this is an example of how these people think,what we will look forward to, people need to be aware now because we will only get one chance to vote during this election, and once it is over, it cannot be redone.

Comment by Nobama | 2008-06-17 19:39:55

Soldier4Hillary–
Thank you for your eloquent post and service to our country. May God Bless you.

 

Comment by HT | 2008-06-17 19:56:12

Your comment is so incredibly emotive. Do what you feel is right, and never, ever forget your personal sense of what is right. You have one finely honed personal compass, and I salute you for your service to the US. I understand you are about to be deployed again. Take care and be well.

 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:30:30

Huffpo is a cesspool.

 

Comment by NY still loves Hillary | 2008-06-17 21:02:45

Everyone here at NQ appreciates your passion and your service to protect this great country. We will continue to do our best to ensure the democracy you love is not destroyed by these people, and that their leader does not ever make it to the White House (even to visit President Hillary Clinton or President John McCain).

As far as the posts above sliming an American hero, I must believe these are the paid Palestinian bloggers and Obama’s al Queda supporters. I cannot bring myself to believe that any American would write such vile and spineless things about a POW, no matter what they think of him a candidate. If I am wrong (and I pray to God I am not), then these people need to leave the country and renounce their citizenship. You are not real Americans. End of discussion.

Again, soldier4hillary, thank you from all of us.

 

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:35:22

soldier4hillary – Spread this far and wide. Your comments are right on the mark, as usual. Good luck in your assignment; keep your head on a swivel, and come back home safe and sound.

 
 

Comment by sinking ratboat | 2008-06-17 19:30:32

McCain spent 5 long years as a POW. He still bares the scars of the torture he endured.
It was wrong for Republicans to attack Kerry on his war record. And it is wrong for Democrats to go after McCain on his military service.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 19:53:12

I think the difference between Kerry and McCain is that Kerry feels a little guilty about his senate hearings railing against troop abuse which propelled him to power.
Kerry made many enemies which waited 30 years to pay him back with the swiftboating.

Comment by standard | 2008-06-17 20:29:37

Kerry harbors his own little sense of payback.

 
 
 

Comment by Democrat | 2008-06-17 19:32:31

And on noquarter, you smear Obama with fake tapes and ridiculous claims about how people became citizens when Obama was an infant.

BTW, how do you like the Ohio poll with Obama +11?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/06/todays-polls-617.html

Comment by DAB | 2008-06-17 19:44:01

PPP is one of the most unreliable polls around with an extremely spotty track record — all the other Polls show a 1 point difference. Stop grasping at straws.

 

Comment by Greg | 2008-06-17 19:47:10

NObama is ahead by one poll, but is actually behind in the RCP polling in most polls for the past 6 weeks. PPP hasn’t even been that good with polling so far this year, their polls for Ohio during the primary season were off by 6 points and they actually thought he would win PA in April.

Morons.

 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-17 19:49:24

Why Obama can never win. He only cares for himself!


24/7 Mac’s got our back

http://tinyurl.com/5jtjgs

 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 19:49:39

All of 2004 I was following the polls like you Bucko but in the end it came up short for Kerry.
You need to start listening to the back ground noise to find out where people are really trending.

 

Comment by salliort | 2008-06-17 20:18:40

by Democrat | 2008-06-17 19:32:31

And on noquarter, you smear Obama with fake tapes and ridiculous claims about how people became citizens when Obama was an infant.

Then get the proof for us:
a real birth certificate
a real marriage license,
real information on the passport,
and all the other things Obama is hiding from us and, more importantly, from you and his other followers.

Comment by Tricia | 2008-06-17 21:27:56

And the welfare record of his mother? His stepfather was an Oil Executive. He grandparents sent him to private school! Not adding up

 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:22:23

I like it cause the schadenfroid when you tank there in November will be that much juicier…..

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:28:25

Obama admitted the tape exists. No one has seen it, but he says Michelle was saying “Why d’he?” Where is his real birth certificate?

 
 

Comment by gay gal | 2008-06-17 19:32:51

Off subject: Moveon is running 2 new ads: one has a women and child, talking about the war, the other a satire on why we should vote republican. They are targeting woman and DEMS who are saying they are voting REP.

The DNC is running scared.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 19:55:20

People have to be really stupid to believe those adds.
There are many Obama people that are that stupid.
They want defeat for America at any cost.

I say NO SURRENDER!!!!!

 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:17:44

as a Dem woman, the baby ad made me pixxed and made me feel protective of McCain..

havent seen the other one yet..

they really do not understand us at all huh?

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 21:58:21

They keep taking McCain out of context like we’re stupid or something
I guess If Obama and his defeatist’s get their way the American sphere of interest in the world will only extend as far as Puerto Rico.

 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:24:07

the DNC running scared of the women voters made me think of this again, LOL:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HlDVLLQndRA

Attach of the 50 ft woman

LOL!!!

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:41:50

I loved it!

 
 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:46:43

YES — I saw the Move.on ads when I was channel-surfing tonight and stopped on Olbermann.

And get this!!!

Even Olbermann admitted both ads were “a tad overkill.”

Especially the one “I’m voting Republican because …”

Even Olbermann looked embarrased to admit these were Move.on ads.

The ads sounded so smug and elitst in an attempt at satire.

(Word to the wise — satire backfires if you don’t know what you’re doing)

Whatever marketing genuises they’re using, these Move.on ads reek of such HOLIER THAN THOU garbage they tipped over into the ridiculous.

You know that’s true when your “progressive” ads even make Olbermann squirm and look away.

These must be the same idiots who came up with the “Betrayus” jab at the General that also backfired on them.

Move.on has gotten so extremely left their faces are jammed against the left side of the political spectrum and their noses are out of joint.

And did I mention Move.on is so out of touch they only appeal to 10% of the most extreme lefties in the DNC?

And they Luvvvvvvvvvvv them some Obama.

 
 

Comment by memyself&i | 2008-06-17 19:34:19

The author of that article is disgusting. The biggest sacrifice the author probably ever made in his life is choosing skim milk instead of regular milk for his latte, and he probably did it for his health and waistline.

Someone needs to tell him people were being sarcastic when they referred to the North Vietnamese prisons as the “Hanoi Hilton” in case he thinks it was some five star hotel.

He got special treatment alright, because of his father, extra beatings and torture. It takes a man of great character to not take advantage of his connection to leave that hell hole a little earlier. He gave a prison guard the finger, Obama gave Senator Clinton the finger.

I am informing everyone I know of this disgusting attack. Each day, these Obamabots do something to alienate us even more.

Comment by POdVet | 2008-06-17 19:59:06

Everyone associated with Arrianna Huffington is disgusting. That whack job needs to be deported back to Greece!

Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.

 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:20:46

yep My Dad, God Bless, served in Vietnam in the Marines, he was a Republican too, many military people are, attacking a man who was tortured after being captured during combat, well it just validates that moveon is a bunch of radical hard left raving fanatics when the average American sees these ads..

like the Betray us ad..

they dont seem to learn these Soros groups….

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 21:39:52

That’s an interesting anecdote, gin. My own father is also a Vietnam vet who voted for Bush twice and now has a sign in his yard that reads “Bitter Hillbillies for Obama.” He’s really looking forward to an Obama presidency.

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:43:32

Send us a picture.

 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:48:08

I’ll do my best to make certain your Dad is disappointed.

NoBAMA

 

Comment by Zeke | 2008-06-18 02:41:24

Keep a close eye on him. It sounds like Early Onset Alzheimer’s.

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 06:09:01

Am betting your dad is pissed off with the Regime, and has probably only seen the CorpsMedia version of Obama.

 
 

Comment by memyself&i | 2008-06-18 00:00:47

Thank you to your dad for his service.

 
 
 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-06-17 19:39:29

Attempting to attack McCain on his military record will backfire. What has Obama ever done other than sit in a racist anti-American church for 20 years?

Seems to me that the Obamas think they are entitled to the presidency only because they are black.

 

Comment by DAB | 2008-06-17 19:40:30

For further information about McCain’s character, check out “The Great McCain Story You’ve Probably Forgotten” regarding the relationship between McCain and Democratic Senator Mo Udall. Very revealing portrait at:

http://www.slate.com/id/2188545/

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 06:27:31

Oh, character. Slate gives McCain an unfair advantage. Maybe there’s a weekend arete workshop Obama can attend – or a distance learning program complete with PowerPoint presentations on CD-ROM.

 
 

Comment by Will Smith | 2008-06-17 19:40:42

Barack Obama aide: Why Winnie the Pooh should shape US foreign policy LOL

 

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-06-17 19:40:50

Barack Obama would not have lasted 1 year in the Hanoi Hilton, let alone more than five. Obama’s frail, gaunt, phlegmatic constitution — not to mention his incredibly weak psyche which led to substance abuse — is not designed for the stresses of POW treatment and is unsatisfactory for the rigors of the presidency. As Harriet Christian said, he is inadequate.

Beyond this, Obama’s lack of a sense of duty never would have allowed him to put himself in the position McCain was in when he was shot down. McCain had volunteered for extra flights in Vietnam to help out the diminished capabilities of an aircraft carrier which was not his own. If you don’t know the story, see here:

McCain vs Obama: Courage vs Cravenness

John McCain fought so that punk small female canines like Jeffrey Klein could write the garbage which Klein spewed here. McCain gave more than 5 of the best years of his life for Klein and Obama’s malnourished behinds and this is how the two Lazy-Boy lads repay him.

You don’t get more un-American or ungrateful than that. In fact, perhaps we can just start calling Klein “Michelle” in order to properly convey how much of a snot-nosed, sniveling ingrate Klein and his ilk truly are.

Michelle typifies what is wrong with our country today: An American Idol, I-am-a-superstar-but-you-don’t-know-it-yet, entitlement mentality. That a woman who rode affirmative action (admitted by Michelle) to two Ivy League degrees can still be kvetching about ‘our loans’ and demanding of cousin Dick Cheney to “give us something here!” is all you need to know. She, and her husband, are a disgrace.

This is not the attitude which made America great; it is poison. Yet it is so damn ubiquitous these days and Michelle — and her inexperienced, impudent hubby — typify this thought process which has led to America’s precipitous decline around the world.

John McCain sacrificed for his country. He is a hero. He symbolizes the hard work and sacrifice all Americans can be proud of, the standards which they would have their children set and achieve.

Barack Hussein Obama, and Jeffrey Klein, are examples of what happens when a once-proud nation comes to the Nero-fiddling moment in its course. They are the worst, most parasitic elements of our republic.

America has a choice now: Will you help to restore the United States’ preeminence or will you vote for the man who will hasten the burning of Rome, Barack Hussein Obama?

As Spike Effing Lee would say, “Do the right thing.”

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 20:30:21

Preach it Paul! Go man!

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-06-17 20:40:32

Damn right, LN! These punks are going down! No

There’s a drop-off in ‘bots right now b/c they’re watching Kobe Obama Bryant get served by the Celtics.

Like the Lakers, Obama is going bye-byes.

 
 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:51:03

Paul — excellent piece!

Thank you.

 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 05:04:04

That was a damned good rant — you hit the target!!

Mrs. Obama — we do not owe you ANYTHING!

 
 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 19:41:23

You know, now that his wife has decided to throw her 100% support behind Senator Obama, Mr. Clinton must be able to acknowledge certain obvious parallels between himself and Obama. Both were relatively unknown, extremely charasmatic, accused of being unpatriotic and too inexperienced and ran on “hope” and “change” platforms. Both, too, were thoroughly swiftboated and had to contend with multiple, over the top rumors about their character (in Obama’s case, he is a Muslim, Christian AND atheistic communist). There was even a mass exodus of white men from the democratic party because of Mr. Clinton’s perceived deficiencies. Fortunately, however, enough people will see through the bottom feeder politics and character assassination and will vote for Senator Obama because of issues like healthcare, war, education, womens’ choice and the economy, just as they did for Mr. Clinton in 1992.

Comment by gregoryp | 2008-06-17 19:44:24

blah, blah, blah

yak, yak, yak

get a job

 

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-17 19:47:02

I can’t wait to see the look of your face when you realize Obama is a propped up capitalist pig.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:48:13

Look today. He just blew off his entire

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:49:02

NAFTA campaign.

But then, we always knew that was BS just to try to undermine Hillary.

 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:10:00

oh yeah, Uhhbama is all over John Harwood interview on CNBC, well I could hold off on my tax increases, it all depends how the economy is when I get into the Oval office in Jauary.
I love free markets…

this is exactly like his nafta flip flo[

and his varying withdrawal from Iraq statements

he cant even stick to one number on his SS payroll cap increase I have heard him say 72k, 95k, 98k, 104k and 200k, 250k

well that is a pretty frakkin wide range of income there Barry which shall it be??!!!

Americans who get hammered with the payroll tax want to know, NOW!

as regressive a tax as he could find and he is all for it

 
 

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:50:07

Good comment, though I don’t think it will find much of a reception here.

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-17 19:53:01

There are some from the left that support Hillary. They are indeed welcome here.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-18 00:35:14

It’s been discussed. Naomi Klein’s article ran in The Nation on June 14. It was posted here yesterday or today.

 
 

Comment by Hope | 2008-06-17 19:58:11

Really, when did Bill Clinton race bait a fellow democrat, when did he give them the finger, when did plant slanderous lies in the media about them?

Obama will never be the quality of man Bill Clinton is… and Clinton voters know it.

 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:15:20

his wife
mr clinton

you mean Senator Clinton and President Clinton dontcha?

and no President Clinton is unavailable, our BELOVED Big Dawg is busy raising millions to fund AIDS drugs in Africa, and help eradicate global famine and poverty with his Global Initiative.

what is it Tom Daschle and such type DNC folks did after they left office again??? hmmm oh yeah Daschle and his wife are HUGE lobyyists and their hands area all over the Uhhbama campaign yep….

 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:34:55

Bill Clinton has no comment and won’t. Are you that silly?

He’ll talk only about how Obama lied about the race card if asked.

Which is probably why the press isn’t asking.

He’ll discuss how his wife was trashed worse than when the Republicans were after her.

Which is probably why the press isn’t asking.

We all get what the far-left pulled.

And we all get that were once again, stuck with an unelectable candidate.

My Gen-X son said, “Either we win this time, or I’m done with this party.”

This mistake will mean the end of the Democratic party, because he won’t win.

And the Gen-Xers like my son are done with trying.

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 21:46:56

I am a gen Xer, also, AnninCa, a white female one no less, and I can tell you that those in my jaded cohort have never been so excited about a mainstream politician. Is Mr. Obama perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But to those of us who have every reason to be politically cynical, Obama is a refreshing change from the status quo. A lot of my friends who voted Nader in 2000 are really looking forward to voting for him in November.

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-06-17 22:32:29

You’re going to lose in November.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-17 23:56:04

we should probably get started on the ark.

 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 05:08:21

say that again Strawberry.

OBAMA is going to LOSE in November.

Obama is going to Lose in November!!!

 
 
 
 

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:21:02

I hope Mr. Clinton is waaaay too busy with his Foundation to help Obama in any way.

If I were Bill, and Obama and his campaign painted me as a racist and trashed my legacy, I’d laugh in his face.

And walk away.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:29:45

Just scrolled past that one. Sorry I missed it.

 

Comment by wac for hillary | 2008-06-17 21:45:54

You have got to be kidding!

 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 21:53:21

There many more differences than similarities between Bill Clinton and Barack Obama — Bill Clinton never smeared as a racist anyone who had dedicated their lives to helping the AA community. Bill Clinton never based his campaign on insulting and denigrating women, the elderly, working people, people in rural areas and small towns, gays, Italians, Jews (I’m sure I left someone out — it’s hard to remember all the groups Obama hates). Bill Clinton won the nomination fairly, not by use of physical force, intimidation, ballot shenanigans, and outright theft by the DNC. The economy was good for most Americans under Bill Clinton; under Obama the economy would only be good for the Rezkos and Illinois combine crooks and thugs who would be running the country.

And in view of the weather-related disasters afflicting large parts of the country right now, there is another really important issue to think about — Bill Clinton appointed a competent, ethical, honest person to run FEMA. Hillary would have done the same. Do you really want to think about which one of the Rezko-like crooks Obama would appoint to that position?

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 06:41:23

And he was as interested in public policy as he was in lewinskys.

And he was not a middle aged man who had made a hobby and a life’s work of his poor-little-old-me-white-trash-bastard-boy identity

 
 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:54:58

Oh!

This is RICH!

Obama is trying to ride Bill Clinton’s coattails now?? After he called Clinton a racist through his pimps – um – surrogates?

LOL!

Is this the propaganda of the week you guys are sending out?

Show me a link to these things you claim Bill Clinton has “Admitted.”

No Link. All BS.

 
 

Comment by Pam | 2008-06-17 19:41:55

So let me see if I got this straight:

A guy with no connection whatsoever to the Obama campaign posts something on Huffpo, and suddenly “the Obama campaign” is guilty of salgging McCains service record (and let’s face it, bottom of your class at USNA and three wrecked planes before he even got to Vietnam ain’t exactly lighting the world on fire).

Got it.

 

Comment by gregoryp | 2008-06-17 19:42:10

Have these fools ever watched an NBA game? It is always the second guy who gets busted. Always. The Republicans did this in 2004. It was dreadful. Now, Obama and his fellow dips are retaliating with the same strategy. Just like in an NBA game they’ll be the ones that get busted. Instead of by a ref who misses the first infraction it will be by the American public who overlooked the first affront. Americans will be rightfully outraged and no amount of but, but, but Bush did it will temper their anger.

 

Comment by Karen | 2008-06-17 19:43:38

This is off topic but for all of you who are sick and tired of people telling you if you don’t vote
for Obama, it will be the end of Roe V Wade….
Take a read here……..http://www.creators.com/opinion/froma-harrop/pro-choice-democrats-and-john-mccain.html

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:51:17

I’m even meaner, Karen. Roe vs Wade was my life fight. I no longer have that issue. :)

I say, let the next generation defend it or not.

Their choice.

I also was a mean mom. I let my kid grow up and actually earn his own living.

That is not my priority issue.

Comment by Karen | 2008-06-17 19:59:28

I am with you. I had a discussion with someone
from the DNC last night and this issue is what she used. I explained I spent a lot of years working for reproductive rights so that the young
people benefiting from it now, could reject the candidate who also worked for it. I suggested they put on their big girl pants if it is important to them and get to work. It’s not my issue either. I told her it would not be wise to use this as a “fear” issue with the women who had
fought to make it happen and supported Hillary Clinton.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:17:56

amen! Time they grow up.

 

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 21:01:04

Oh Karen you are sooooo right with this one! Exactly!

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-06-17 22:58:14

Ditto my sisters. I feel the same.

Let them use condoms.

LOL.

All the insults HURLED at Clinton from female Obama supporters.

All the insults hurled at us — Hillary’s menopausal supporters.

Now you gnash your teeth over Roe v Wade?

Whatever — I had my sexual revolution — let them keep their legs crossed.

;)

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by soldier4hillary | 2008-06-17 19:43:49

The second aspect for the Obama Supporters who want to discuss things that they know nothing of or about, and you are more than welcome to contact me and I will gladly give you references in which to refer is that we do have training in regards to what information we give out if captured. You will never and I mean NEVER accept release as a leader and leave others behind.

Yes, they do teach us to attempt to escape and if you are the highest ranking you are “in charge” so to speak, and you are trained to only give your name rank and social. Even while captured the rules of engagement applies. So the bottom feeding, good for nothing, worthless individuals who become “blog experts” based on piece of trash articles such as this, you are WORTHLESS!

If you cannot fight and win against Senator Mccain based on the foundation of your campaign, based on the issues, you are in the wrong business. THAT is the reason why that thing called EXPERIENCE applies. The Democratic Party may of thought it was A OKAY to let this play out in the primaries. But it will not work in the General Election.

If the game plan is to smear a persons service record by portraying that the enemy went easy on a former POW. Senator Obama will be lucky to win his own state. These bottom feeders with Chicago style politics think they will make it to Penns Ave based on this shit have another thing coming.

These sorry ass Democratic Party members that are sitting on the sidelines letting this play out need to be unseated from the top to the bottom starting with our worthless excuse of a congress with a lower approval rating than Bush!

They wanted Obama, then they need to prepare for the consequences of there idiotic actions.

Comment by Percy11 | 2008-06-17 19:49:12

I salute you Soldier4Hillary!

Obama has dictatorship written all over he actions.

 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 19:57:24

The consequences, soldier4hillary, you mean like Obama leading Senator McCain in the latest gallup poll after a long, hard fought battle with Hillary Clinton? I was very happy to see that today. I was worried McCain would be ahead a few points after the long, divisive prmary, but fortunately enough people care about healthcare, education, war and women’s rights when asked.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:59:30

And yet, check out MN……

And the ABC article, noting that Obama got no real bump.

Wow….. McCain is within 1 point in MN.

Wasn’t that one of Obama’s “blue” states?

*heh*

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:05:40

BWWAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!

yeah good luck with those shiny red states Uhhbama…

BWWAHAAAAA!!!!

MN site of the axx slap of MEchelle no?? maybe they didnt all appreciate the glory of the One..

LOL…

 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 20:09:05

AnninCa,
As I said, the primary was a long, often bitter and divisive one, as evidenced by websites like this one. Because of that, I was honestly expecting John McCain to be up around 5 points at this time. Rush Limbaugh and Hannity were predicting it too, giddily banking on their “Operation Chaos”–and surely you’ve heard of that, where untold thousands of republian cross-overs voted Clinton just to destroy the democratic party–to have McCain up by double digits come June or July.

But my, they were breathtakingly wrong, it seems! Not only is Obama up in polls, but will continue to attract more women as they learn about Senator McCain’s stance on healthcare, education, the war and womens’ right to choose, all important issues to women. I think Hillary Clinton deciding to throw her 100% support behind Senator Obama for the good of the party and country really helped capture that momentum. I mean, I understand it’s hard to see the larger phenomena happening in the world when you’re here in this room with a 100 or so diehard Hillary supporters, some of whom are still convinced she’ll take it to Denver.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:21:04

Oh well, You’re the only one, then. Obama was expected to get a bump.

And I’m impressed that the stats hold firm and show Obama’s weakness.

No, he really IS losing 40% of the traditional Dem base.

Which is probably why MN is tanking.

They can be flukey in primaries. Not so much in GE.

You’re guy is tanking, sweetie, just as we predicted.

But you weren’t interested in listening when it mattered.

I doubt you’ll be humble enough to admit it from here on out either.

Comment by standard | 2008-06-17 21:22:35

Fox says that Obama is where Kerry was around this time in ‘04.
Kerry’s bouffant do is similar to my grandmother’s. He must use a lot of hairspray.

 
 

Comment by selective journalist | 2008-06-17 20:35:22

funny, but the MSM are slobbering tonite about two NEW mistakes O-rookie made in the last 48 hours:

1) solis doyle (Gergen actually called it a stupid move!)

2) banning off shore drilling (probably will cost him the election!)

 

Comment by auntpitty | 2008-06-18 03:18:17

Now you’re in too deep, my friend. Karl Rove has said many times that Dukakis had around a 17 point bump at this time. Every pundit said that Obama should have gotten at least a double digit bump. Obama never broke a 7 point bump.

Now he is down to 4 points in both Gallup and Rasmussen daily tracking polls. That’s why he has all you kool-aid drinking loons out spreading lies.

McCain 08
God. Democracy. McCain.
No Obama. Not Now. Not Ever.

 
 
 

Comment by soldier4hillary | 2008-06-17 20:31:51

The consequences of allowing things such as this to play out. If he is attempting to attain the highest position in our nation, sitting silently by and allowing the so called “online journalists” that participated in the smears in the primary, need to be cut loose. If this is not something he believes in or would condone, silence is not the route to go because in many people eyes, silence has become “agreement” in the Democratic party.

If you believe in your chosen candidate. If you believe in his message. If you care about this country and its people. Then the candidates “message” should be spread far and wide, and not “smears”. I dont care about polls. I care about the issues.

“Polls” will not tell me where Senator Obama stands on the economy. Quoting his stance on the “issues” are the same as Senator Clinton is not explanation of his intentions.

These same outlets that did the dirty work during the primary are yet again making an attempt to play a part in the general election. What so many do not get is the fact that there are those who honest to god want to know where our country is going, and want to know about what each candidate intends to do to take us there.

When I read articles such as this, and reflect on what I witnessed during the primary. It puts fear in my heart because if this is how far some will go to achieve a goal, that tells me that this is an attempt to eliminate the competition so we wont have the opportunity to question where they stand in regards to moving our country forward.

Its not about polls and trolls and negative comments. Its about where we are headed as a whole. The amount of time it takes to tell me how far ahead Senator Obama is in the polls, is the same amount of time that could be used to explain his plan for our future.

If you believe in his messaage, pass it on to those who may still be sitting on the ropes in deciding who to vote for. No, I have no intentions of ever voting for Senator Obama. My intent until the day I board that C130 to Kuwait to BIAP is to openly campaign against him, and those that chose to support him. In my opinion, he is the worst thing that our country needs. That is my belief and my opinion, and it does not change because Senator Clinton “stated” we should support him.

My loyalty and support does not come with a “deed of transfer”. I will stick to my beliefs and judgement, because if he ends up winning, I will know in my heart, that I had the guts, and the strong will to go with my own decisions and judgement, and not blame it on anyone else because they “told me” to support him.

However, the burden of proof lies with the messenger and the supporters. If you believe in him and his message. Fight for it. And I would recommend fighting hard. Because it will be people like me, who feel strongly in there beliefs, that will be fighting even harder against him. This isnt about “likes” and “dislikes” It’s not personal. This is about OUR country. And to me, thats worth fighting for.

Comment by OBAMATROLLSAREIDIOTS | 2008-06-17 20:53:24

Soldier4Hillary

Thank you for your support of democracy. I hope and pray you have a safe trip to kuwait and return to your family and country soon.

My father was a Navy Seal actually one of the first. He served in Vietnam even before the troops were deployed. My oldest brother was a two tour corpsman in Vietnam. He was not drafted.

I get really mad when Obama supporters question our patriotism and blue collar roots. This fight for our vote is a fight I will continue until November.

JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

NO OBAMA
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES

 
 

Comment by memyself&i | 2008-06-18 00:14:26

Spin, spin, spin….. Historical bounce after a candidate receives his or her party’s nomination is 9-13 percentage points. He got, between 4-7. That number has decreased by half in a little over one week. He is weaker than even Dukakis and McGovern. Even the media are starting to admit that Obama is not doing well.Tsk Tsk Tsk.

Thank you soldier4hillary for your service. Thanks to all the other bloggers who have been or are in the military.

 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 05:14:09

This is probably one of the hairy males from Gaza — pretending to be a female.

 
 

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:25:59

I want to know why John Kerry isn’t immediately standing up for his fellow VietNam vet and CONDEMNING this Obama gossip.

If he plays along and says nothing, I’ll never respect him again.

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 21:53:24

You mean like Senator McCain has issued a ban on the whisper campaigns linking Obama to radical Islam, terrorism, backseat blowjobs by crackpots and fictional “whitey” tapes?

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:00:38

It isn’t McCain fault the BOBO went to the Madras, right before BOBO’s rich grandparents sent him to the exclusive prep school.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:44:41

Um, Obama has nothing to do with this guy at Huffington Post. In fact, Obama (just like Clinton) has always had respectful things to say about McCain’s honorable service.

You might as well blame Clinton for the “Obama wasn’t actually born in America” smears; it would be just as unfair.

Comment by Nobama | 2008-06-17 19:49:31

Of course he had nothing to do with Klein’s article! You’ve already convinced yourself that he missed every racist Rev. Wright sermon; every over-the-top Father Pfleuger speech; William Ayers just loaned him his house to launch his political ambitions; and he really had an itch on his cheek when he flipped off Hillary. You need serious deprogramming.

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:52:25

What exactly connects an independent journalist to the Obama campaign? Do you have any actual link?

Here’s the truth: there isn’t any link. I would wager big money that this exact same article would have gotten published with Clinton as the presumptive nominee; it’s an attack on McCain by an unrelated third party.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:54:52

Are you stupid? Have you not read Stein all year?

The man is so in love with Obama that I fear he’s trying to be the next down-low lover!

Jeesh*…get a clue.

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:57:35

So just because Klein “is so in love with Obama”, the Obama campaign is responsible for this article? How is the Obama campaign responsible for this in any way?

Also, gotta love the “Obama is gay” smear in there — does the irony of making that comment in an blog post criticizing swiftboating strike you at all?

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:26:02

Not at all. He’s just another hack writing free PR for Obama.

And not getting paid to do it, either, which really puts him into the “are you insane” category for me.

But I probably have a cynical view.

I personally think PR comes with a bill.

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:28:25

It’s the same crap Obama did to the Clintons: playing like he’s above it all, but not saying a word about it being awful.

Same game Bush played in 2000 and 2004.

Slim may be that stupid, but very few other Americans are.

This will backfire. He can kiss Virginia goodbye.

 

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 23:18:14

So what about the irony I mentioned? You pick up on that at all?

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-18 00:37:50

The Obamaborg has no independent thought, compassion, warmth, sense of humor or tact. Why would we scan your comments for irony?

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 20:03:27

ohh I know I know

pick me pick me!!
over here Mr Kotter!!!

Sam Zell and Rupert Murdoch??

DING DING DING

I WIN!!!!!

 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-06-18 01:01:19

Huffington Post ‘writer’ Max Follmer was photographed holding Obama “Change We can Believe In” Sings outside Iowa polling places on the Huffiongton Post’s front page on the Iowa caucuses.

He penned glowing reviews of Obama and put down Hillary repeatedly.

Arianna gave him plausible cover to boost Obama as an “On the Bus” reporter, who wasn’t just covering the campaign as she had claimed they would do, he was a fluff story writer for them.

 
 
 

Comment by Greg | 2008-06-17 19:55:24

Obama has said of McCain that he’s “confused”, in other words trying to make him seem old and feeble, don’t think he won’t make him out to be a racist too just like Clinton.

 
 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-06-17 19:48:51

Yeah, they went “easy” on him–they broke his arms so he now has to have someone comb his hair for him, he can’t adjust his own collar, and they broke his teeth to expose the nerves and cause him excruciating pain. They left him without medical care for the broken bones in his leg, they beat him mercilessly. He still limps. He can’t put his arms above his head. His bones never knit properly. Despite that, he still exercises like a champion.

Oh, sure….they went “easy” on him.

McCain wasn’t going to make Flag Officer, because he was too aggressive, too brash and very impolitic. He was also “not happily married” and that is a block you have to check to get to the double scrambled eggs prom.

And he wasn’t the best flier either. But it wouldn’t have mattered if you had Neil Armstrong and the Ghost of Eddie Rickenbacker up there, the guy got SHOT DOWN. He wasn’t engaging in a dogfight.

I can’t believe they’re even going there. It’s pretty fucking SICK. And really, it’s STUPID. I can acknowledge that McCain is stubborn, bullish, stupid about some things, but I will never, ever, question his courage, his endurance, or his dedication to our country. These Obamabastards are incredibly STUPID. When they aren’t jeering at Granholm, they’re pointing and cawing at POW McCain. Way to further alienate the Democratic base.

BACKFIRE? This is going to fling shit all over them.

I never liked it when the Republicans would insult the Democrats by questioning their military patriotism. Here we’ve got a former rightwinger who, after dumping her gay rightwing husband, is posturing as a accented intellectual lefty and playing hostess to those who are hellbent on fulfilling those most EGREGIOUS stereotypes.

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:54:09

Obama isn’t doing this! An independent third party wrote the article!

Comment by NY still loves Hillary | 2008-06-17 21:23:01

Say it again. That always makes it true. How about the bloggers who make similar statements on this site almost daily? BarryG2000, UKforDems? I don’t hear you disowning them, hypcrite.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:37:33

What about Se. Jay Rockefeller, an Obama surrogate, who said, “McCain was a fighter pilot, who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit. What happened when they [the missiles] get to the ground? He doesn’t know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues.” Reaction from the Obama camp? “Soooory.”

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:03:24

I don;t think we had laser guiled missiles back in the sixties.

 
 

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 23:20:13

It IS true. Klein in an independent journalist. He’s not a campaign surrogate, he’s not an Obama campaign representative, he’s not a paid staff writer.

“Say it again. That always makes it true.” It IS true. So weird you want to pretend otherwise.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:04:43

BOB has been feeding the media with lies this whole campaign. For example: Hillary wanting BOBO murdered.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-18 01:06:28

I love how Obama announced his campaign for the Presidency, his personal remarks following the Great Race Speech and his every movement through the Huff Po. They ride around on his plane and his bus and attend special invite events. Obama calls on the Huff Po to sling his filth for him, too. After all, that’s what they do best. Here are some greatest hits:

Jane Smiley, still remembered for her piece on “the unteachable ignorance of the red states” on Slate.com after John Kerry lost in 2004, wrote American history is filled with people who have used hateful words to enrich themselves and to destroy others who were quite often weaker or more vulnerable than themselves. On every middle school playground in America, right now, some bully is tormenting some other, weaker child out of the sight of the adults, and some of the other children are egging him on, and still other children are watching from the sidelines. Americans aren’t nice or decent people, and conservative, overtly patriotic Americans are even less decent and less nice. They do harm, and they like to do harm, and they even expect to profit from the harm they do….

Sounds like Michelle Obama, doesn’t it?

In a March 27, 2007 post that was later pulled “at the request of the author,” gay San Francisco radio talk show host Charles Karel Bouley wrote cancer comes naturally to lying conservatives: I hear about Tony Snow and say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you. Work for Fox News, spinning the truth in to a billion knots and how can your gut not rot? I know, it’s terrible. I admit it. I don’t wish anyone harm, even Tony Snow. And I do hope he recovers or at least does what he feels is best and surrounds himself with friends and family for his journey. But in the back of my head there’s Justin Timberlake’s “What goes around, goes around, comes around, comes all the way back around, ya.”

This is a trend with Bouley, who upon learning of Ronald Reagan’s death in 2004, played the song “Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead!” on his weekend radio show on KGO. He also boasted of decrying Catholicism on the air as an “archaic cult” that “should be retired like the monarchy in England” on the occasion of Pope John Paul’s death. That record of insensitivity apparently led Arianna Huffington to sign him up.

On August 14, 2006, author Larry Beinhart wrote a post titled “Americans With Disabilites: The Reality-Challenged,” filled the Internet with more of the usual liberal arrogance that truly smart people with a grip on reality would have never gone to war in Iraq. This is a common theme among the rabid left, and Obama’s choosing Huff Po as his mouthpiece tells you what he thinks of the new politics.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-18 05:23:29

Obama by NOT condemning the actions of his flunkies is condoning their behavior and downright lies about McCain.

This is how passive aggressive work — Obama enjoys the power he has over the Obamabutts.

I see the FAT Obamabutt has appeared to do the WORM duty. (WORM — what Obama really means).

The Obamabutts have insulted, lied about and harassed Hillary Clintons supporters — and snObama approves of his followers actions because he does nothing to call off his rabid mad DOG followers.

 
 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-06-17 19:49:58

News item: Obama behind 12 points in KY, and MN is a tossup (actually, McCain has a narrow advantage when one looks at VP pairings). http://www.surveyusa.com/

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 19:52:59

I’ve been posting the MN. KY, we know….kiss that goodbye.

But MN?

Oh boy…..watch Wisconsin!

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:40:20

I think McCain will likely pick Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota as his VP and lock up the battleground Great Lakes states. Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin would go red forcing Obama to compete for Florida and Ohio unless he could lock up Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada. Not very likely.

 
 
 

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-06-17 19:51:39

this is great that obama people are starting this crap — McCain will have no problem releasing his military records, the fact that he released 10,000 pages of medical records should be a sign to these goons that McCain has nothing to hide. as a veteran it pisses me off to no end that the Obama campaign would even dare to go near McCain’s military service. I think if Obama wants to play with fire, he should be burned so bad he never does it again

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 19:55:06

hey Nick, miss ya!! we were having the same thought again :0>

have you been to camilles site?!!

email ssmith for the addy if you dont have it

if u do Ill catch ya there Hillraiser!!!!!

 

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 19:55:22

The “Obama people” have nothing to do with this article.

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-17 20:01:35

Just cry and let it all out. You will feel better.

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 20:05:55

Heh, I’m not sure why so many commenters hear fail to note that this man is not connected with the Obama campaign. Also not sure why, when confronted with that information, their reaction is so hostile.

Shouldn’t it make you feel better to know that the Democratic campaign isn’t smearing McCain’s service record? That it’s just a random journalist on the internet?

Comment by HRocks | 2008-06-17 23:53:21

This is a journalist writing for the NYT. NYT endorsed O. Nuff said.

Stop being so obtuse, you remind me of my kids when something goes wrong and they deny and point fingers.

Your denials are pretty boring just like your candidate.

 
 
 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 20:16:12

If by people you are excluding

the asslicks who are propping him up such as the

in the tank media
the bought and paid for $uperdelegates
the koolaid drinking nutlickers
the paid and scripted event fainters
the clinton hating party elders aka losers
or the Obamingtonpost.com hacks

you might be wrong.

 

Comment by secularhumanizinevoluter | 2008-06-17 20:17:18

Are you REALLY that clueless?

 
 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 19:53:39

once again the “left” adopts GOP tactics, (and it will again backfire because Democratic moderates dont react the way GOP moderates do to these attacks, interestingly enough)

this is like the attack on Max Cleland and it just makes me feel protective of McCain,

betcha many of we disillusioned and disenfranchised Hill supporters will react this way..

 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-17 19:54:09

In November we’ll Remember!

PUMA

http://tinyurl.com/3pescq

 

Comment by valsthewoman | 2008-06-17 19:54:33

FLIP FLOP BOOM OBAMA FALLS HARD

Obama has been making speeches for over 18 months that he will withdraw the troops from Iraq and end this war. He made a speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention. He slammed Hillary Clinton for voting with Bush concerning WMD. He campaigned that he was the only person that was credible because of his position from the beginning and he spoke out about this. OK I ask you does any of this ring a bell? Am I right making these statements? Please email me in comments if I am wrong.

Ok sit down turn up the volume on your computer and listen to his
WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH IN THIS VIDEO:
HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE EXPECT US TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS MAN SPEWS FROM HIS LIPS? HE HAS SET A PATTERN OF SAY ONE THING TODAY CHANGE WHAT I JUST SAID YESTERDAY TO WHATEVER WORKS NOW…………HE IS UNBELIVEABLE. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK IN MY COMMENTS PAGE.
ENJOY….

http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/flipfloopboomobamafallshard.aspx

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 20:01:15

He always says what he needs to say to get votes…pure pandering…

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 20:17:18

THATS NOT PANDERING

THATS THE NEW POLITICS THAT AMERICANS ARE HUNGRY FOR!!

 
 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 19:56:58

Sick bunch…that bunch at Huffy Post…I haven’t been there in weeks maybe months..

McCain ‘08 my2¢

 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 19:58:29

I never have to worry about changing my decision to never vote for Bacrackhead Obullshit.

All i have to do is read the comments by pro obama shitheads and the venom they spew,

whether its the idiots in the comments section

or the failed writers turned failed reporters who do their mental masturbation to their obamamessiahporn on puffingtonpost

to realize the greatest mistake i could ever make

would be to vote in support of that f*ckwad Barry the Bastard.

 

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 19:58:34

this piece and the moveon baby ad are both IMHO sickening and a real turn off for moderates and Indies…

they really dont seem to get that most of America doesnt fall for thee rabid and scurrilous attacks on a man they see as a hero and maverick do they?

dont they do polls or sample testing on REAL LIVE AMERICAN GENERAL ELECTORATE VOTERS before they spend millions on these ads??!!

I mean yeah we know the folks left reading HuffyPissyPo daily are mainlining the kool aid, so no biggie there writing to their audience, but as far as taking this theme national for a GE, how do they think Democratic or Indpendent voters both groups of which have respect and admiration for McCain as a hero would react well to this??

Comment by ginaswo still says no to Uhhbama | 2008-06-17 19:59:18

and I mean the HuffyPissyPo piece of course!!!!!!

Comment by Joe Smith | 2008-06-17 20:03:08

I wonder who really gets influenced by these ads. Obama won’t be able to count on one day democrats in November.

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-17 20:07:25

His idiot supporters are influenced by such ads. It gives them hope that he might win.

 
 
 

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:01:42

I’d agree. Arriana is a blight on Democrats.

 
 

Comment by Anonymous | 2008-06-17 20:00:54

Comment by Joe Smith | 2008-06-17 20:11:31

I am sure they are.

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 20:19:12

 

Comment by gregoryp | 2008-06-17 20:26:54

It certainly doesn’t take any leaps of the imagination to think them capable, that is for sure.

 
 

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:32:56

NOt surprising.

Even Tavis Smiley got death threats from the Obama supporters just for saying Obama had to EARN his vote.

Reckon some of those superdelegates got death threats, too?

 
 

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-17 20:02:48

I’d like to see this Klein guy chilling in a North Vietnamese prison. Maybe then I’d take his words more seriously.
By the way, where are Obama’s papers? How come it’s a one-way-street when it comes to anything about Obama? –Can’t question his backgrounds, shouldn’t ask for his papers, can’t question his inexperience, can’t question his claims or the bots will cry racism and change the subject to “issues.”

 

Comment by candymarl | 2008-06-17 20:05:01

But Huffington Post is a well known pro-Obama site. The balance of the articles are favorable to him and critical of each of his opponents. Both Hillary and McCain.

IMHO you can attack McCain on his domestic policies. You can disagree with his tax and Iraq proposals. No problems there.

But when a person is held captive and tortured for five years and you imply that somehow that means he got special treatment that boggles the mind.

You could apply the same standard, just because someone was tortured and/or held for years it doesn’t count, to the prisoners at Gitmo. But that wouldn’t be the progressive view, now would it?

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:34:22

You also have to understand that anything that gets on Arianna’s website, SHE has approved through editorial privilege.

It wouldn’t have been posted if Arianna hadn’t approved it.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:45:06

Not only that, but Obama chooses to release all info from his campaign through Huff Po.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:06:55

Not only that but huffy loves to ban or scrub Hillary supporters. BOBO has a problem with free speech.

 
 
 

Comment by JP49 | 2008-06-17 20:06:37

No matter what pro-Obama idiots say either here, magazine, newspapers, internet, television, we will not let him achieve the presidency of the United States. We will vote out all superdelegates up for re-election by casting our votes for their opponents no matter what party. This is the only way to take back our party and get rid of that thing Obama.

 

Comment by Babs | 2008-06-17 20:08:50

I saw the Obama camp begin with the war record smears on the blogs months ago. One insinuated that McCain was being investigated for having something to do with starting the fire on the Forrestal. Luckily the films of that fire can be seen on the History Channel, and you can see an errant missile fly across the deck and strike a plane awaiting take-off. The plane erupts in flames and out jumps the pilot and runs toward the camera. It’s McCain. So I’m sure he was responsible for starting the fire, then ran to his plane and sat there waiting for tragedy to strike.

God, I hate everything this Obama and his camp stand for. It’s why I will fight with everything I have inside of me to help McCain win in November.

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 20:52:09

I really think this will backfire…The vets have looked at McCain as a hero for a long time…no vet votes for BO…I put this smear up there with Bill and Hillary are raciest….people still remember that…if I were going to vote for Obama I would see through this one and it would make me think twice about voting for him….lying about a war hero…it may even be lower than saying the Clinton’s were raciest…remember the source…McCain supporters don’t go there…that is just a place for the trolls to feed at and then go around dropping their comment turds all over the net…

 
 

Comment by John Smart | 2008-06-17 20:12:36

I get happier and happier every day that I left the Democratic Party.

Comment by soldier4hillary | 2008-06-17 20:41:45

Thank you so much! I really needed to laugh and your comment achieved that goal!!

 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 20:54:19

Have you got your new card yet?…that was a wonderful day for me..

 
 

Comment by Dead Ender1Does Not Bite AnyoneAnymore | 2008-06-17 20:14:52

Actually,

McCain was the son and grandson of an admiral.

I don’t imagine every flight cadet at Pensacola NAS got to fly a training plane to watch an Army-Navy football game in Philly, and crash her over NC,on the way home, after running the plane out of fuel. No disciplinary charges whatsoever.

A few cadets at the Naval Academy have fond memories of McCain, and a few POWS in the camps remember him well.

By the time he survived 23 missions over Viet-Nam, he had lost 5 aircraft.

Contrast his career with with that of Vice Admiral James Stockdale.

Some lose 1 plane while flying 200+ combat missions.

Some have an interest and dedication to flying, and some like partying.

Some know how to fly, and some don’t.

Some adapt to torture and POW camps better than others.

Some win the Medal of Honor, and make Vice-Admiral on their own merit.

And some don’t.

Seems to me McCain has as many skeletons in his closet as Bambi. And let’s not forget the Keating Five.

All of this will come out in the fall campaign, I would guess.

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 20:24:18

OH SHUT UP WITH THE MCCAIN HEROISM AND FAMILY MILITARY HISTORY AND PATRIOTISM SCHTICK!!

OBAMA’S UNCLE WHO WAS IN THE NAVY LIBERATED AUSCHWITZ!!

EVERYBODY KNOWS OBAMA IS MORE PATRIOTIC THAN MCCAIN!!

OBAMA KNOWS THE TRUE MEANING OF THAT EVIL FLAG PIN!!

ALL JOHN MCCAIN DID WAS ENJOY A FIVE YEAR VACATION AT THE HANOI HILTON!!

DO YOU KNOW ANY MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN WHO COULD EVEN AFFORD FIVE WEEKS AT THE HILTON NEVER MIND FIVE YEARS?

THAT’S REAL ELITISM IF YOU ASK ME!!

HOW MANY CONCENTRATION CAMPS DID JOHN LIBERATE??

HUH?

HUH?

AND LETS NOT FORGET HOW WHITE JOHN MCCAIN’S HAIR IS!! IT PRACTICALLY SCREAMS RACIST!!

Comment by power coast FL dave | 2008-06-17 20:59:49

Actually, Obama’s uncle liberated a McDonald’s.

McDonald’s is forever grateful, hence they granted him one wish, and guess what he choose?

President, right…

 

Comment by yttik | 2008-06-17 21:07:22

LOL, besides, Obama has a great foreign policy plan! He got it from his Winnie the Pooh pajamas.

“Winnie the Pooh, Luke Skywalker and British football hooligans could shape the foreign policy of Barack Obama if he becomes US President, according to a key adviser”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2139573/Barack-Obama-aide-Why-Winnie-the-Pooh-should-shape-US-foreign-policy.html

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-06-17 21:08:24

beautiful man

obies unkel was in the merkhant marines and he libiratid aukzwitze by hizzselv wit a spun ant got de medil ov honur frm stalan cuz rooosenvelt wuz ded an shit, obie had it melted down untu som reeely kool kufflinks

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:46:52

HA HA LMAO THANK YOU!

 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:09:23

Liberating AUSCHWITZ pretty much consisted of showing up and opening the gate.

 
 

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-17 20:25:33

“Seems to me McCain has as many skeletons in his closet as Bambi.”

Ah-ha! Well you’re one bot who does not have his head in the sand all of the time.

 
 

Comment by True Slicky | 2008-06-17 20:15:47

Look, just change the name of this blog to No Obama and be done with it.

I thought this blog was devoted to issues of security. Obviously, you’d prefer to have our nation’s security be in the hands of a President who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. Jesus, Liebermann’s not going to be around to whisper foreign policy advice all the time.

And it “doesn’t matter” how long we stay in Iraq? Color me not-secured.

And hey Larry, where’s that Michelle Whitey tape? Oh yeah, up your ass.

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-17 20:28:30

Well, how long are we staying in Iraq according to your master Obama?
Do you know what he REALLY thinks?
Personally, I’d prefer to have my nation’s security in the hands of someone who knows how many states there are, doesn’t see dead people in the audience, doesn’t think Oregon is Pennsylvania, and knows where the Great Lakes are, etc…

Comment by wodiej | 2008-06-17 20:53:07

oh, isn’t that the truth!

 
 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright | 2008-06-17 20:28:48

Comment by True Slicky | 2008-06-17 20:15:47

Obviously, you’d prefer to have our nation’s security be in the hands of a President who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

NO, IF WE DID WE WOULD BE VOTING FOR BARCRACKHEAD JESUS MARIA SANTOS BAPTISMO NOMUSLIMO OBULLSHIT LIKE YOU!!

And hey Larry, where’s that Michelle Whitey tape? Oh yeah, up your ass.

I got your whitey right here in my pants. When you are done licking Barry’s nutsack, feel free to stop by and do what you are good at.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-06-17 20:35:52

OMG….ROTFLMAO……

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-06-17 21:13:37

on his a game
in the zone
nothing but net

Comment by True Slicky | 2008-06-18 00:40:18

oh man, you sure got me. that was a good one!

big surprise you bring up your penis. for some reason, that always “comes up” whenever Republicans get together. I mean, this whole blog is nothing but one circle jerk for McCain. its pretty clear nothing gets a Republican more hard than being a racist ignorant fool.

the most ironic thing about this blog? the “tired of the spin” subtitle up above, even though everything on this blog is a regurgitation of Mr. Spin Zone himself, Bill O’Reilly…

 
 
 

Comment by John Smart | 2008-06-17 20:29:52

true icky,

exposing Obama is a matter of national security.

Comment by True Slicky | 2008-06-18 00:34:30

and what, exactly, have you exposed?

I see nothing exposed except a bunch of racist ignorant fools. really, McCain knows what he’s talking about? about how Shia Iran is training Sunni extremists? really? how we’re not at pre-surge levels even though he said we are, but that doesn’t matter because we’re going to occupy Iraq- a sovereign nation, with a President and a government- for 100 years. brilliant.

the man who takes credit for the “surge” said in 2003 he expected a quick, overwhelming victory. and here we are, occupying the country five years later. he was wrong then, and he’s still wrong now.

but thanks for exposing the real Obma, in other words whatever you heard on Hannity’s show today. “he said 57 states, meaning primaries. bwahahahahahaha.” I’m so sick and tired of you children being in charge.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-18 11:05:15

Your inadequate candidate is the nominee, so you are in charge and never more so than elsewhere. You realize the US pays rent to the hundreds of countries it occupies around the world. The Iraqi government loves having us there, because we’re doing their work while they keep stealing oil. And it is stealing if those pipes belong to a corporation or the Iraqi government but gets sold on the black market.

McCain was right about needing more troops to go into Iraq. He was right about the surge. He was right about replacing Rumsfeld and appointing Petraeus. He was right about changing counter-insurgency strategies. We have been in Iraq for so long, because we have an incompetent President. In 2004, Obama said his position on the Iraq war was the same as Bush’s. McCain went against his party, and he knows our military. Obama would repeat Bush’s mistakes and has reversed himself on the war and every other position you can think of.

 
 
 

Comment by dpvegas | 2008-06-18 00:51:33

And you care how long we’ll stay in Iraq because, what, you’d actually enlist? Bwaaahaahaa. Yeah, like that’d ever happen!

I’m a vet. I don’t care. Your candidate doesn’t even know how long we’ll stay in Iraq. And he wants to be president. Ooh, there’s a real qualifier. He can’t decide how long. Yeah, makes me feel secure.

Hillary or McCain ‘08

 
 

Comment by janicen | 2008-06-17 20:18:41

Good. These fools think they can rewrite history. Sorry kids, McCain’s heroism is legendary. He refused and early release from the Hannoi Hilton and said he would not leave until the last American soldier was freed. This will backfire, big time!

 

Comment by secularhumanizinevoluter | 2008-06-17 20:23:56

DeadEnder1DoesNotBiteAnyoneAnymore Said like a true dickless weasel of a chickenshit, chickenhawk obamazoid. F*CK you and your punk assed downlow dolly of a candidate obamalamadingdong.He’d shit his PANTS if anyone said BOO to him. In fact he probably shits his pants every time ms. dong says BOO to him. You and his domestic punk assed terrorist flag dancin buddy along with his racist asswipe of a preacher and louey farrakhan can go fuck yourselves

Comment by wodiej | 2008-06-17 20:30:11

you tell ‘em sec! I wondered you have been!

the Obamapots haven’t a clue about life. They are a bunch of foul mouthed, selfish, self centered punks

Comment by True Slicky | 2008-06-18 00:42:59

pot call kettle black much?

VOTING FOR BARCRACKHEAD JESUS MARIA SANTOS BAPTISMO NOMUSLIMO OBULLSHIT LIKE YOU!!

I got your whitey right here in my pants. When you are done licking Barry’s nutsack, feel free to stop by and do what you are good at.

 
 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 20:37:44

Wow, secularhumanize, perhaps PUMA should stick you out in front of the mic next time Fox decides to interview one of you guys for their special segment each day devoted to further dividing the democratic party after they built a career on insulting Hillary Clinton and her husband. It would help us tremendously in November if you could represent the PUMA cause.

 

Comment by Dead Ender1Does Not Bite AnyoneAnymore | 2008-06-17 22:28:12

Hey Dipshit,

I was 11B during the early seventies.

You would have to google it, as you obviously don’t have a clue.

I’m almost three score now.

I was simply pointing out the approach that might be used against McCain.

I’m really amused that I am cast as an Obamatron in this heavy farce.

“He’d shit his PANTS if anyone said BOO to him”

I really don’t think that’s how it works with us types.

But carry on.

I’m amused by you.

 
 

Comment by justsomeone | 2008-06-17 20:23:59

Business Nation/CNBC just did a 15 min spot on Arianna Huffington. A venture cap friend put up 7mil to start up The Post…paid staff of 50…all in all a real glam piece…the clothes…the celeb parties…BIG PROMO. She claims she’s finally close to crankin’ a profit.

 

Comment by candymarl | 2008-06-17 20:25:17

Do you know anything about “the fog of war?” It’s not black and white. I’ve met enough Korean and Vietnam vets to know. I’ve even met a vet from WWI.

Let’s say you’re right and McCain did “disobey orders”. He paid for it with five years of captivity and torture. Kind of a high price to pay for such a mistake huh? But for some folks no price is high enough. Hence the bitterness of some surviving veterans. In fact some of them told me that they felt people were sorry they didn’t die.

Military folks are not cardboard cut-out heroes. They’re human like everyone else.

If you’re looking for perfection keep looking. No human being on this planet could live up to that.
That’s one of the reasons I defended John Kerry so forcefully. He did what he could do given the situation he was in. He used his best human judgment. Maybe McCain did the same. I don’t know and unless you were there you don’t either. There were a lot of really well – stupid orders given out during Vietnam according to the vets I’ve met.

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-17 20:31:18

Thank you.

These disrespectful Obama revisionists probably have never been in Vietnam vets’ shoes.

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-06-17 21:22:24

My legion hall is running oh about 100% mccain, some like me will vote for a republican for the first time in their lives. Some of these men who were drafted into a war they didn’t believe in, and would rather have spent the flower of their youth doing anything else, view Senator McCain as a hero. Do any of you obama punks know anything besides me, my and mine? Ever spend time working with homeless vets, disabled vets? Any of you?
Question McCain’s service will you? You don’t deserve our America, that gives you the right to be selfish little needle dicks, how dare you breath our oxygen. The road to hell is paved with the backsides of cowards.

Comment by andySF | 2008-06-17 22:36:21

You know what, I really wish they will have enact the draft again so that these ungraful Obamabot can be going to the front line underfire and SH*T in their pants. I doubted any of us Vets and servicemen and their family can every vote for this Fake. Maybe we can just ship al these Obama supporter to a third world coutry and leave them there.

 
 
 

Comment by justsomeone | 2008-06-17 20:25:23

Oh, forgot to mention the limos & she usually carries 3 blkberries..fini

 

Comment by NoToDisenfranchisement | 2008-06-17 20:26:17

The revisionist kids are at it again on Huffypost. Seriously, the change they believe in – are the modifications of history by Obama and his surrogates to suit their needs.

Flufferpost is more like it (sorry if I offended any of the porn industry).

 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 20:29:50

“It’s kind of bizarre reading about supposed “feminists” who are reportedly claiming they’ll vote for McCain rather than Obama, now that “their” candidate, Hillary Clinton, is out of the running for the presidential nomination.

First of all, John McCain is clearly the candidate of the anti-abortion crowd, but that’s not the half of it. He’s also the candidate who says Anthony Scalia, John Roberts and Sam Alito are his kind of judges. We’re talking here about guys (yeah, guys) who think a woman’s place is in the home, and who only recently ruled that if she’s discriminated against on the job, and doesn’t learn about it for a decade or more, a woman can’t do anything about it, because the original offense of underpaying her happened more than 180 days ago. McCain is also the guy who, after his wife suffered a serious car crash and became disabled, dumped her for a younger, richer woman. A feminist’s dream, this guy.”

This is a snippet from a larger article of Dave Lindorff’s which can be found at counterpunch.org

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 20:44:21

It’s not bizarre at all…we are sick and tired of nobama’s disrespect of Hillary, his slimy associations, his inexperience, his thug-like campaign tactics and his takeover of the DNC, not to mention his self-coronation as Saviour of the World.

I will do anything within my lawful power, including voting for John McCain, to keep him out of office.

Comment by Mary | 2008-06-17 21:39:08

So will I. So will I.

 
 

Comment by candymarl | 2008-06-17 20:56:28

I’m not a feminist. Didn’t have to be. The women in my family worked, with rare exception, as far back as I can remember.

Whether they worked on the farm, or took in laundry, or watched “rich folks” kids and cleaned their houses, they worked. It never occurred to any of us that we wouldn’t have to work.

I read a quote from McCain’s first wife. Know what she said? Whatever our differences we’re friends now. Who knows why that is and frankly it’s none of our business.

I’m looking for actual legislative and leadership experience. You can be a great husband and a not so good President.

You can be a womanizer and be a very good President. See: some of the US Presidents.

By all reports Bush never fooled around on Laura. Look at the results.

Not the best argument to make.

 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-06-17 21:02:30

There does not now exist a major party that respects women or will protect a woman’s right to choose. The Republican Party and the Party Formerly Known as Democratic both fall woefully short on this issue and issues regarding GLBT rights; however, the PFKD and its selected nominee also are bigoted against elderly people, Jews, people in small towns, people of faith, gun owners, working class people and probably a few more which I have inadvertently omitted.

This, together with the fact that the selected nominee of the PFKD is a moron about national defense and foreign policy issues, I’ll take my chances with McCain, and hope that in the four years he serves as President (after administering an extremely humiliating and terribly embarrassing ass-kicking to Obama this fall), the Clintons and other former Democrats who truly care about this country will form a new party based on the principles of equality, fiscal responsibility, and compassion for those who need help from government — all those things people like George W. Obama pay lip service to, but cast aside in order to do favors for the Rezkos who control him.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:50:00

Just your name says you can’t think for yourself. I don’t think all women should have to vote for Obama or McCain, but I can appreciate the personal opinions of either. You seem to feel your candidates dictates your vote. That is a contradiction, and a frightening one.

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 02:34:12

RESPECT — PRIVATE DOMAIN

I love these invidious pricks who mount their air chargers in defense of wrongéd womanhood. They are quick to appropriate the suffering of perfect strangers for their own aggrandizement and/or advantage.

John McCain hoses around. His first wife did not marry a hot-shot fly-guy because she saw in him the makings of a good householder. They had five minutes of glamor before they both got broken. They came to terms with their respective and mutual situations. His second wife has ALL the money. She can leave whenever the situation displeases her.

These people seem perfectly capable of managing their private lives. Why not respect their right to do so.

RESPECT — PUBLIC DOMAIN

Obama, whether winning or losing, is incapable of being gracious. No one who has been dabbling in neighborhood culture for the past twenty years would be insensitive to disrespect, so why does he [try to] humiliate his opponent publicly? By disrespecting a worthy opponent, he diminishes not the opponent, but himself – and that irreversibly. Having diminished himself neither his respect nor his disrespect are worth much.

So, what the fuck are they up to? This is the road to Sarajevo. Who is handling this guy? Why are he and his acolytes being used to stir up animosity? The how is clear for all to see. Is he a witting accomplice? I doubt it. Does he realize he is being ruined in the process? Apparently not.

———

afterthought [mulling around]: the need to be imperious in victory is compensatory- it makes up for not having earned the win. Historically usurpers tend to be tyrants.

 
 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-17 20:31:21

Obamabots must understand,

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW!

http://tinyurl.com/4rwu5a

Ya’ll come back now, ya hear!

 

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-17 20:32:16

We are making the same mistake that the Republican Party made in 2000 and 2004. This fraudulent election is much, much, bigger than Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. This is part II of the hijacking of the United States government and America itself.

George Bush and Barack Obama are identical. Both are arrogant, inexperienced, simple-minded, egotistical politicians, selected for these very qualities, to acquire the office of the presidency. Bush’s family’s name and Obama’s personality disarmed/disarms their respective parties. Dick Cheney represented the power behind the thrown for Bush while David Alexrod is Obama’s puppet-master.

Real Republicans stood by paralyzed and, in disbelief, as neo-con named agents gutted and reformulated the party, the different branches of government, and the main stream media. This was Part I of seizing control of the largest economy and the mightiest military on earth.

Part II is unfolding before our very eyes this election cycle inside the Democratic Party. If these agents of global dominance succeed again, the American experience will have ended.

This isn’t about race, or class, or party, or gender, or even generational; this is about co-opting our near perfect union for selfish gain.
Are there enough Democrats who will stand up and stop this hijacking of our party?

Even though I am a partisan, just look at the Republican Party and compare it to what it was eight years ago. And, then, listen to long time Republicans who have been marginalized in their own party. Can’t you see the similarities?

If we fall for the obvious traps of race, gender, class, and so forth, instead of recognizing the real threat that’s invading our party, the republic will change into the most toxic Corporatocracy humanly imaginable.

The last days of America: being brought to you by the first Black President and the Democratic Party.

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 02:40:03

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-17 20:32:17

We are making the same mistake that the Republican Party made in 2000 and 2004. This fraudulent election is much, much, bigger than Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. This is part II of the hijacking of the United States government and America itself.

George Bush and Barack Obama are identical. Both are arrogant, inexperienced, simple-minded, egotistical politicians, selected for these very qualities, to acquire the office of the presidency. Bush’s family’s name and Obama’s personality disarmed/disarms their respective parties. Dick Cheney represented the power behind the thrown for Bush while David Alexrod is Obama’s puppet-master.

Real Republicans stood by paralyzed and, in disbelief, as neo-con named agents gutted and reformulated the party, the different branches of government, and the main stream media. This was Part I of seizing control of the largest economy and the mightiest military on earth.

Part II is unfolding before our very eyes this election cycle inside the Democratic Party. If these agents of global dominance succeed again, the American experience will have ended.

This isn’t about race, or class, or party, or gender, or even generational; this is about co-opting our near perfect union for selfish gain.
Are there enough Democrats who will stand up and stop this hijacking of our party?

Even though I am a partisan, just look at the Republican Party and compare it to what it was eight years ago. And, then, listen to long time Republicans who have been marginalized in their own party. Can’t you see the similarities?

If we fall for the obvious traps of race, gender, class, and so forth, instead of recognizing the real threat that’s invading our party, the republic will change into the most toxic Corporatocracy humanly imaginable.

The last days of America: being brought to you by the first Black President and the Democratic Party.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:52:19

Very well put, Thomas. Thank you for your thoughtful post, and if you don’t mind, I might borrow from it.

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-18 00:50:44

Please do. Spread the word. Tell everyone you know. It just may save our country.

 
 
 

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-17 20:32:17

We are making the same mistake that the Republican Party made in 2000 and 2004. This fraudulent election is much, much, bigger than Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. This is part II of the hijacking of the United States government and America itself.

George Bush and Barack Obama are identical. Both are arrogant, inexperienced, simple-minded, egotistical politicians, selected for these very qualities, to acquire the office of the presidency. Bush’s family’s name and Obama’s personality disarmed/disarms their respective parties. Dick Cheney represented the power behind the thrown for Bush while David Alexrod is Obama’s puppet-master.

Real Republicans stood by paralyzed and, in disbelief, as neo-con named agents gutted and reformulated the party, the different branches of government, and the main stream media. This was Part I of seizing control of the largest economy and the mightiest military on earth.

Part II is unfolding before our very eyes this election cycle inside the Democratic Party. If these agents of global dominance succeed again, the American experience will have ended.

This isn’t about race, or class, or party, or gender, or even generational; this is about co-opting our near perfect union for selfish gain.
Are there enough Democrats who will stand up and stop this hijacking of our party?

Even though I am a partisan, just look at the Republican Party and compare it to what it was eight years ago. And, then, listen to long time Republicans who have been marginalized in their own party. Can’t you see the similarities?

If we fall for the obvious traps of race, gender, class, and so forth, instead of recognizing the real threat that’s invading our party, the republic will change into the most toxic Corporatocracy humanly imaginable.

The last days of America: being brought to you by the first Black President and the Democratic Party.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-06-17 20:49:06

My mother is a Republican and said that party has changed alot over the years and not for the better. I don’t know….there are an awful lot of Democrats who are really angry. From what I’ve seen, the Republicans stood by and upheld the shit of Bush and Cheney. If they hadn’t, Bush wouldn’t have gotten re-elected. It just all depends on if people want to stand up and fight for what is right.

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-18 00:52:56

Now, it is our turn to fight for our party. We can not afford to lose.

 
 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2008-06-17 20:34:42

I’ve already read articles/campaign smear that McCain was a traitor and gave critical information to the VietCong. If the Obamatrons go after John McCain’s war record there will be a huge blowback and rightly so. We’re not going to witness a retreat like John Kerry, not wanting to dignify defamatory accusations, backstepping on fighting in his own behalf until the damage was serious and one more strike against his candidancy. It didn’t matter if the accusations were true or not [I thought the stories were garbage, absolute rot].

There was also some sort of rumor about McCain’s responsibility in setting a fire on one of the aircraft carriers. Totally bogus with film footage to back it up.

The Obamatrons have no idea who or what they’re dealing with. I’m sure the Republicans are just waiting in the wings and wringing their hands–bring it on, youngsters. Just bring it on.

PUMApac.org

Comment by wodiej | 2008-06-17 20:41:58

I agree…I did not care for Kerry but I thought it was TOTALLY out of line to smear his military record. Same goes for McCain. This man spent 5 years in a POW camp being tortured. But this is the kind of mentality we should expect from Obama and his punks. Let’s all remember, that is all they are. A bunch of little punks. Republicans don’t play nice…Obama and his gang are in for a BIG suprise.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 21:40:18

The punks whole objective is to run home from Iraq at any cost to avoid what they believe is the coming draft

 
 
 

Comment by Gayle | 2008-06-17 20:42:39

Awesome.

This will backfire big time. McCain ain’t Kerry and no one’s going to question his detainment or his service.

I voted for Kerry and still believe he would have been a good President. I hated the Swiftboaters. But let’s face it, Kerry was known as a war protester who threw his medals (not sure if he really did that, but people believed that story.) His patriotism was easily questioned because so few people knew his real story or him all that well.

Everyone knows McCain’s story. This will be spun as an attack on patriotism by the radical left. Huffpost deserves no better!

 

Comment by power coast FL dave | 2008-06-17 20:44:37

What makes these IDIOT democrats, if they can’t even see how, and why, these methods failed, and boomeranged, in the long term, for the Republicans, think it will work now, and give them long term favor within the greater government apparatus?

It’s rather obvious to smart people, what happened to the boy bloggerz, what, no abilty to analyze? Who would have guessed?

Dumbest sacks of shit I ever saw, ever.

In the NewYorker, a recent profile of McCain mentioned Karl Rove’s methods wouldn’t be part of the bigger game plan, this year, for Republicans, it was agreed.

Why are the bloggerboyz so STUPID not to question, why?

They’re the only ones in the world, right, and the executive controls everything, right?

Clueless.

Day late, and a dollar short, always.

At the very least, McCain isn’t going out of his way to anger intelligence, a very smart move.

Oh, but the KIDS love rap, so run Slim Shady, right?

(That would have been Bush, couldn’t come up with anything new?)

Stupid democrats.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 20:47:08

Agree……

It’ll be the Moveon Progressives who are the hated this year.

Comment by power coast FL dave | 2008-06-17 21:02:04

Moveon Progressives are the haters.

 
 
 

Comment by Hank | 2008-06-17 20:45:29

Look at what I just received from Coward Dean: How about some direction.

I wrote to you in late February asking that you sign on in support of a complaint we made to the Federal Election Commission regarding John McCain.

The complaint was fairly simple. John McCain decided to break a promise he made to the American people — he said that he would accept federal matching funds for his primary campaign, but then backed out of the pledge after he started receiving staggering amounts of lobbyist and special interest money. We asked the FEC to enforce the agreement he had made.

When they didn’t act on our complaint — one that thousands of Americans signed on to support — we sued them. Recently, a federal judge said that we had to give the FEC at least 120 days to act.

Their time runs out in one week, on June 24.

You can put pressure on John McCain to honor his agreement with the FEC by signing your support — we need 100,000 Americans to stand up and demand that he keep the promise that he made the American people. If we’re ever going to have truly clean campaigns, it’s going to take all of us fighting for them.

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-17 20:50:20

Dr. Dean,

Good luck with that.

Sincerely,

P.S. Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black? (Oops, was that racist?)

 

Comment by gregoryp | 2008-06-17 21:34:02

Seems that Dr. Dean (can’t believe his smart enough to be a real doctor) is a master of one sided propaganda. I seem to recall that Obama made an agreement with McCain but backed out. Again, if you have to lie or distort your position then you have no position. Dean is a loser.

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-06-17 21:43:37

i’m very sad, howie doesn’t write to me anymore, all i did was tell him to take his party unity and shove it up his ass. was that bad?

 

Comment by auntpitty | 2008-06-18 04:20:36

Maybe Howard should have added a postscript on this one to let you all know there is NO functioning FEC at this time.

That’s right. Pelosi, Reid, and crew have been blocking any hearings on new appointments to the FEC for quite some time now.

The FEC is supposed to be a 6 member board. In order to hold any hearings a quorum of 4 members is required.

There are currently only 2 members of the FEC. There are not enough members to constitute a quorum so there can be no hearings.

Does anyone else smell a rat?

Not to mention that if enough members were suddenly appointed to be able to have a quorum, no doubt there would also be a complaint lodged about BHO’s flip-flop on accepting public matching funds.

More dictatorship in action.

Comment by bart | 2008-06-18 08:19:45

That’s interesting. The DNC is filing another lawsuit to compel the FEC to investigate the McCain campaign for campaign finance abuses. Why would they file if the FEC can’t even meet?

 
 
 

Comment by Hank | 2008-06-17 20:48:07

Maybe I should reply, with a free trade agreement. If Obama produces his original birth certificate not the made up one. I will sign it….

 

Comment by Andrea | 2008-06-17 20:50:28

I have one democrat leader in my state trying to sway me to Obama by saying that Mccain was tortured as a prisoner of war and therefore has mental issues and couldn’t handle being in charge of the country and having his finger on the button. I bet this is an angle that Obama will soon use as well. What is funny about this angle is that Obama admittedly did a number of drugs in his youth and there are rumors that he still partakes. Wouldn’t this affect him and lead to mental issues as well? And this (BO’s drug use) is a lot less impressive and legal than Mccain serving his country and being a POW.

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 20:54:50

I certainly have not seen ANY evidence that McCain is in any way mentally unstable…but there sure have been PLENTY of signs that we need to worry about Barak…

his memory is simply awful

he sees dead people in the audience

his speech is often incoherent

he can’t find many of his important papers, birth certificate and the like…

Comment by Kevin | 2008-06-17 21:00:06

His communist party card, his grades from harvard law skule…

Comment by Slim Tyranny | 2008-06-17 23:22:21

His HLS grades? He graduated Magna Cum Laude, which means he finished in the top 10% of his class. Try again.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:24:43

If BOBO graduated Magna Cum Laude then he shouldn’t have a big problem releasing his grades.

 

Comment by HRocks | 2008-06-18 00:29:45

Where’s the proof?

Comment by Pragmatist | 2008-06-18 03:54:24

His Harvard graduation program (available online) lists him as Magana cum Laude. The Harvard Law School catalog describes that designation as being applied to only those in the top 10% of their class(after excluding the one person who had the highest GPA and gets the Summa cum Laude designation). Harvard Law School has an anonymous grading system. No professor knows whose exam or paper they are grading.
He’s a smart guy. Try some other line of attack – like the issues. That would be refreshing.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-06-17 21:21:34

Just tell your friend that McCain could be dead for a week and propped up like Weekend at Bernie’s and you still would feel safer with him in charge of the country and your rights.

 
 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 20:51:14

I think someone was saying that over at Traitor Ayers blog, Ayers actually believes that McCain was enjoying life during his time in prison at a hotel that provided hookers.

Is the desperate or what!

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:02:55

We are going to have to collect all the McCain facts and get busy squashing all this S*it..

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-06-17 21:04:09

Give them rope……

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:26:41

yes you are right..we spent the whole primary fighting this kind of stuff against Clinton…we need to laugh at the people spreading this stuff..let them know this could not be taken seriously..what fools they are if they believe it..

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-06-17 21:22:54

Yes the Puke Ayers says he was in a hotel being run by prostitutes. That must be how he got all those bones and his jaw broken, eh?

This is good. I do hope they take this direction. I really do. It will be Obama’s demise. The race card will be pissant after this.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 21:36:41

Thanks Uppity.
I sure didn’t want to go over to the traitors site and check it out.
As vile as these thugs are I hope they actually do continue their deprecating attacks.
It just continues to show how they’re not ready for prime time.

Obama people listen up…
I never thought I would look at Bush with more respect than Obama and his cabal. WOW!!
You need to take note!!

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 03:01:25

Yes the Puke Ayers says he was in a hotel being run by prostitutes. That must be how he got all those bones and his jaw broken, eh?

Maybe from his perspective. You saw the photo of Axelrod in his black leather jacket? And who could forget “Spankin Joe Braun,” Jean Schmidt’s campaign advisor?

 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-06-17 21:54:14

Ayers probably would have enjoyed it. Something tells me he’s a very kinky man.

 
 

Comment by ken | 2008-06-17 20:52:36

Who’s more into myth-making than Obama and his DNC thugs?

 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 20:53:51

I am much more interested in what Californians and Floridians will say about Senator McCain’s announced support for offshore drilling. A gravely risky announcement, I think.

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 20:56:39

if you don’t like it, you should have supported Senator Clinton, as she would have won against McCain. Nobama can’t win…and he is unfit to be President.

Comment by power coast FL dave | 2008-06-17 21:04:02

Strawmen issues, actually.

Nothing changes until the dead rot is removed, underneath.

And it is DEAD ROT.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-06-17 21:19:09

Those whom the gods would destroy must first be made drunk with power.

 
 

Comment by HillarySupportsObamaNow | 2008-06-17 21:09:39

Was,
How can you say Senator Clinton would’ve won against Senator McCain when she didn’t even win the primary? A high percentage of democrats said they would never vote for Senator Clinton, for various reasons, but many citing her support for the war as the main one. Maybe you didn’t check the latest Gallup poll, Obama is ahead of McCain, almost surprisingly, given the long, divisive battle he fought with Hillary Clinton. I imagine her throwing her 100% support behind him has something to do with the vast majority of democrats coming his way.

Comment by WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName | 2008-06-17 21:15:55

Precious and his minions, the DNC, Pelosi and Donna B. stole the nomination from Hillary and you know it. Senator Clinton was way ahead of John McCain in every poll.

This is beyond Senator Clinton now. We all know she is doing what she feels she must and I respect her for whatever decisions she feels she has to make.

As for me, and for a good chunk of those 18 million Clinton supporters, we are voting for John McCain.

Comment by Faye | 2008-06-17 21:21:49

You tell them I agree with you. No way would I vote for OBAMA NOBAMA

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-06-17 21:19:58

Caucuses are funny things. One percent of the population “votes” for the rest. But then November comes….

 
 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 20:56:59

I think Gov. in FL. is backing him up on it….I am hearing two different stories on that one.

 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 21:05:29

When you consider that China is already drilling off our shores as that could be considered grave as well.

Tell me Bucko.. Why do they get to do it?

 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-06-17 21:38:46

He supports the states deciding, which I like a lot.

 

Comment by caseyinfl | 2008-06-17 22:17:19

I believe he said he felt it was up to the states, in fact I’m sure that is what he said.

 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-06-18 10:23:20

In support of the states who can do it being able to decide….

 
 

Comment by Andrea | 2008-06-17 20:56:36

to HillarySupportsObamaNow:

Yes, I suppose you would be as swiftboating from BO’s side shows that not only is he a typical politician, but he is as dirty if not more so that George W. Bush.

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:00:06

Dirtier than Bush for sure…

 
 

Comment by NoToDisenfranchisement | 2008-06-17 20:59:53

I wonder sometimes if Brazile and DNC are in competition with the RNC circa 2000 & 2004:

Disenfranchisement – we can do it better

Swiftboating – you betcha, we can do it too

Comment by HillaryClinton4BarackObama | 2008-06-17 21:48:21

It it won them the white house twice we must as well try it out ….

President Obama ‘09

 
 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-06-17 21:02:33

I just want to add this fact of life…

I have been both a democrat and a republican, but I can tell you at no time in my life have I been as DISGUSTED at a political party as I am about the democrats.
I began this year as a defender of the great FDR tradition within the Clinton wing of the party.

The disrespect given to those that built this party over the past 40 years insures that until the current cabal of losers are disgraced and removed I will work tirelessly to see them brought down.

This is not about sour grapes Obamabots.
This is about justice and truth.

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:09:07

TRUTH AND JUSTICE

I like that..

 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-06-17 21:41:21

The disrespect given to those that built this party over the past 40 years …

The most under-covered aspect of the PUMA faction – we are pissed off that experience is now a liability to these young punks. That they show up and Dean, Pelosi chuck the rest of us out the door because of these new young voters. I hope they get fickle as kids do and stay home in November to watch American Idol.

 
 

Comment by Tricia | 2008-06-17 21:11:50

Well I live in Palm Beach Florida and switched my party to IND from Dem today, I actually felt sad I was raised Irish Catholic from Philly and I was always proud to be a Dem. It meant to me from a very young age that I was helping Seniors and Children and it was the party for womens rights. But I just could not take anymore disrespect anymore.

I am just wondering in what fashion I should send my Voters card back to the DNC.

Any Ideas

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-06-17 21:31:41

I still have mine…I am going to tear it up and mail it to them in late October early November

Comment by HillaryClinton4BarackObama | 2008-06-17 21:49:41

And we will burn it once we receive the Trash …

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-18 00:26:31

I don’t think you little BOBOweenies should be playing with fire

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-06-18 03:09:34