Quite telling people what will happen if they “don’t do this or that”. Take the long view of History and march toward it, others will follow if it speaks to them.

BTW…I too have always agreed with Dennis Kucinich on just about everything, but obviously he can’t enthrall an audience the way Barky does and since we live in a telegenic society, people are more impressed with charisma than substance.

For example: On January 13, 2006, the United States launched a missile strike on the village of Damadola, Pakistan. Rather than kill the targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s deputy leader, the strike instead slaughtered 17 locals. This only served to further weaken the Musharraf government and further destabilize the entire area. In a nuclear state like Pakistan, this was not only unfortunate, it was outright stupid. Pakistan has 160 million Arabs (better than half of the population of the entire Arab world). Pakistan also has the support of China and a nuclear arsenal.

I predict that America’s military action in the Middle East will enter the canons of history alongside Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust, in kind if not in degree. The Bush administration’s war on terror marks the age in which America has again crossed a line that many argue should never be crossed. Call it preemption, preventive war, the war on terror, or whatever you like; there is a sense that we have again unleashed a force that, like a boom-a-rang, at some point has to come back to us. The Bush administration argues that American military intervention in the Middle East is purely in self-defense. Others argue that it is pure aggression. The consensus is equally as torn over its impact on international terrorism. Is America truly deterring future terrorists with its actions? Or is it, in fact, aiding the recruitment of more terrorists?

The last thing the United States should do at this point and time is to violate yet another state’s sovereignty. Beyond being wrong, it just isn’t very smart. We all agree that slavery in this country was wrong; as was the decimation of the Native American populations. We all agree that the Holocaust and several other acts of genocide in the twentieth century were wrong. So when will we finally admit that American military intervention in the Middle East is wrong as well?

WOW, you’re trying really hard today. But you should know this: we’re a hard-headed lot and find your arguments supremely resistible.

My whole point here has been if you are a liberal/progressive Democrat DO NOT vote for John McCain. A vote for McCain is a vote for 4 more years of Bush/Cheney. If Hillary would have won the primaries then I would reluctantly vote for her in November even though she is not nearly liberal/progressive enough for me. So if you and others want to keep grandstanding for Hillary even at the convention then God Bless and go forward. If she still doesn’t get the nomination in Denver then I hope the Clinton supporters who stand on principles will write in Hillary in November instead of voting for John McCain.

Only Obama said he’d bomb PAKISTAN, a suposed ally in the War of Tayerr” [sic]. And he said he’d do it without even warning anyone.

Ok dude, here’s what Obama said about Pakistan.
Obama: There Are Terrorists Holed Up In The Mountains In Pakistan Who Killed 3,000 Americans And If Musharraf Won’t Act, We Will. Obama said, “I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
[The War We Need To Win, 8/1/07]

Obama: If We Have Actionable Intelligence Against Bin Laden Or Other Key Al Qaeda Officials And Pakistan Won’t Strike Them, We Should. Obama said, “With respect to Pakistan, I never said I would bomb Pakistan. What I said was that if we have actionable intelligence against bin Laden or other key al Qaeda officials, and we — and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to strike against them, we should. And just several days ago, in fact, this administration did exactly that and took out the third-ranking al Qaeda official.” [Cleveland Presidential Debate, 2/26/08]
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

If Iran nukes Israel do you think any country would be safe? The whole world would be nuclear.

Iran isn’t going to nuke Israel anytime soon. Larry Johnson explained the NIE which said Iran is nowhere even close to building a nuke. So if you’re buying into the Iran nuking Israel BS you’re drinking the Bush/Cheney koolaid.

And lots of former Democrats are putting their country first instead of voting for an untrustworthy liar with a D after his name

And voting for Senator McWar is really putting your country first huh. McCain is ready to stay in Iraq forever, he flipped on offshore drilling and now says to drill anywhere, his answer to 47 million people without healthcare is to get a savings account, he will appoint more conservative Supreme Court justices, he supports more trade deals like the Columbian trade deal and he’s against unions. So your ready to condemn your country to 4 more years of Bush policies because Hillary didn’t win the primaries.

Thus if iran is going to nuke Israel, they will also be nuking the United States, and not just one city, but many.

Iran has put Hezebellah in Venezuela and Central America to form networks, years ago.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Iran is putting missiles down there.

If the US managed to not see a North Korean nuclear facility in Syria until it was almost done being constructed, what else is out there in the world we don’t know about.

Worrying about Iran launching a nuke is buying into the Bush/Cheney sabre rattling. Look back earlier this year right here on this site when Larry Johnson himself explained the NIE which said Iran is NOWHERE near having a nuclear cabability. AT BEST they are 5 years or more from building one. So, RIGHT NOW we should be doing robust diplomacy in the Middle East and making allies with as many Middle East countries as possible and quit the sabre rattling already!

Sorry, but do you really want a nuclear Middle East?

I don’t want a nuclear ANYBODY! Do you realize if we were to launch a nuke ANYWHERE in the Middle East it would be doomsday for the rest of the world? China and Russia would side against us in a heartbeat and WWIII would be here. Sorry, talking about OBLITERATING countries is irresponsible no matter who says it. Besides that, why would Hillary want to use a nuke instead of conventional weapons?

By the way, if you’re gonna shout INDEPENDENT at least spell it right.

“4-Foriegn policy: Remember “Bomb,bomb,bomb. Bomb Iran”? HIGHLY likely with Sen. McWar. Not too likely with Obama. Hillary made a remark during the campaign about nuking Iran and nobody really called her out on it. That kind of scares me.”

Both Obama and McCain said they’d bomb Iran. Only Obama said he’d bomb PAKISTAN, a suposed ally in the War of Tayerr” [sic]. And he said he’d do it without even warning anyone. What a fucking idiot…there’s one way to start WW3…make the Pakistanis think India attacked them and then watch the gazillion Indians get vaporized by the nukes. Real smart, Obama.

http://www.cafepress.com/pumapride/
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The Shiia believe that no legitimate Islamic State exists in the world unless under the rule of a Caliph who is from Mohemmed’s bloodline. The last such ruler was the 12th Imam who Allah has taken and placed into occultation.

There he will remain until a future date when the world is in great distress and chaos.

Allah will cause the 12th Imam to return to as Caliph of the Muslim and the Shias will rise up and dominate the Islamic World , getting justice for all the long years when the Sunni persecuted them.

Then once the Muslim world is under the Mahdi’s banner, the world-wide conquest will begin and all of the earth will be put under Sharia law.

The Mullahs in Iran believe that if they cause the global conditions of chaos and distress then they can provoke the manifestation of the Imam.

If they die in the process , then Allah will surely reward them in Paradise.

If they accomplish their goal of rendering neutral the world’s Great Satan, then a retaliatory nuclear strike is more than tolerable as a price to pay to achieve such a great feat for Allah.

Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, said the following in Qom in 1980:

We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.

Iran will have only one chance to pull this off. They must be sure that when they use their nuclear weapons that they cause the maximum damage because they probably won’t have the chance to do a second round.

Thus if iran is going to nuke Israel, they will also be nuking the United States, and not just one city, but many.

Iran has put Hezebellah in Venezuela and Central America to form networks, years ago.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Iran is putting missiles down there.

If the US managed to not see a North Korean nuclear facility in Syria until it was almost done being constructed, what else is out there in the world we don’t know about.

Of course Obama supporters like you just continue move the goalpost and make excuses for him. Nice.

Why should I vote for Nader? I’m not the one who’s disillusioned by my candidate. And if you’re not then you’ve drunk much more Kool-Aid then is healthy for your well-being.

No, she was not wrong. Bush was wrong. Read her floor speech. Your ignorance is the reason people call you cult-worshippers and Kool-aid drinkers.