The UnDemocratic Party: The New Culture War pt 2
By medusa on June 23, 2008 at 9:20 AM in Bloggers, Bolshevikization, Chicago politics, Cultist Thugs, Current Affairs, DNC, David Axelrod, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Party, Democrats, Dems4McCain, Disenfranchisement, Donna Brazile, Florida, General Election, Howard Dean, Michigan, MoveOn.org, Nancy Pelosi, New York Times, Obama, Presidential Candidates, Race Card
Millions of people believe that the Democratic primary was fixed, which is a major reason why former Clinton supporters will never vote for Barack Obama. Some may vote for John McCain, some may vote for an alternative candidate, and some may sit this one out. But when surfing through the internet, one can’t help but be struck by the distrust, disgust and anger at the improprieties evidenced by the actions of Democratic party leaders. Some people don’t get this.
In spite of her scathing accounts of Obama’s behavior and the party’s disregard for its constituents throughout the primary, Taylor Marsh is an example of someone who seems to think that Hillary’s supporters are simply disgruntled and stubborn in their resistance to the presumptive nominee.
But that’s not it. We believe that not only is Obama inexperienced, unqualified and potentially a danger to our country, we also believe that he gained the nomination in an undemocratic coup of the party, aided and abetted by the powers that be. Not only do people believe that the primary was fixed, that is, that the nomination of Obama was preordained and the entire process of the primary, from corrupt caucuses to accusations of race-baiting, and the final blow by the RBC giving Obama Hillary’s Michigan delegates, was orchestrated by the DNC itself. These are not bitter grapes. This is not disappointment.This is revolutionary, as Charles Lemos described in his brilliant post on NQ. The Democratic party doesn’t need us. They are no longer democratic.
But that’s only the beginning of the shock and distrust now apparent in millions of (former) Democrats, the infamous 18 million Hillary-supporters. Among the great majority, there seems to be a consensus that the entire Democratic Party itself has been seized in a hostile takeover.
When Ben Smith broke the news that the DNC was moving to Chicago only days after Hillary suspended her campaign, our worst fears about a collusion between Obama’s campaign and the Democratic party leaders were confirmed. Hillary supporters spent the months prior to that fateful week watching in disbelief as it became clearer and clearer that Dean, Pelosi, Leahy, Brazile and others were in the tank for Obama. As Smith puts it:
The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party…
SusanUNPC articulated what many of us feared: that the Democratic party takeover by the Obama campaign is motivated by his relationships with the corrupt Chicago machine.
Chicago is the home of Obama’s longtime extremist mentors, associates, advisers and benefactors — both before and immediately after his law school years — including Reverends Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss and James Meeks; Minister Louis Farrakhan; Father Michael Pfleger; Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn; marketing guru David Axelrod who created the mix-and-match Obama and Deval Patrick personae; the convicted Antoin “Tony” Rezko who only two years ago enabled a “sweetheart deal” that allowed Barack and Michelle Obama to buy a historic mansion they could ill afford; the Illinois state senator power broker Emil Jones who “[f]or almost a year … used his position as leader of the state senate to block anticorruption legislation passed unanimously by the state’s lower house.”
Hillary’s supporters may not have been a movement when the kool aid was first being dispensed, but now we have consolidated, even if it appears to outsiders that our groupings are random and chaotic. We may not all worship at the feet of a candidate, but we are united in our horror at and alienation from the party that left us behind. In a telling exchange between bloggers on The Confluence, a blogger called hwddog writes:
The idea that the DNC is moving so soon after they’ve completed their fix of the election, only shows that it’s been in the works for some time, and those in the party behind this weren’t going to have the people’s votes get in the way.
This post received many responses indicating that voters had been doing their research in an attempt to understand the party’s bait-and-switch. Blogger plukasiak responds to the post above:
The date to be looking at is April 25, when it was announced that the Obama campaign and the DNC has set up joint fundrasing operations….and had “not reached an agreement with the Clinton campaign”
DownListen responded with “I think the fix was in before the primary.” And Carol, another blogger boldly states:
I have asked repeatedly on other sites, “Do we have the right to see all of the communications between Dean, DNC and Obama camp?” I believe the fix has always been in from the beginning.
About the merging of the DNC with Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago, the ever-insightful Anglachel makes clear that the enormity of such a project takes time to plan and even more time to initiate. She writes:
This merger cannot have been considered, agreed to and implemented in a single week’s time. This is something that requires logistics, not to mention money and legal sign-offs. This points to two key issues: first, the party leaders have been intending to do this for some time (how far back is yet to be established), which casts their behavior towards *all* candidates in an uncertain light; second, it means that they have subsumed the party to the political objectives of a particular person who has been shown through his campaigning to be divisive and antagonistic to a significant portion of the party
The power behind these DNC’s improprieties is not yet clear. But there’s much speculation. Some think billionaire George Soros is responsible. He donated millions of dollars to defeating Bush in 2004, which failed, and has recently included Moveon, and the Obama campaign in his donations. And as seen in the linked post, his participation in American politics has not always been legal. Others, as described by Pat Racimora, wonder if it’s not the Chicago Combine.
In any case, many people would like to see an investigation into the party leaders, the caucuses, and the RBC as well as the DNC’s move to Chicago.The revelation that Patti Solis Doyle has joined the Obama campaign, that she is an old friend of David Axelrod and that her brothers are connected to the Chicago machine has only added to the disparity between transparency and corruption. As Texas Darlin puts it:
There is nothing that is unifying about this latest hostile act involving Mole Doyle. This is the Politics of Division. The Politics of Destruction. The Politics of Disrespect. The Politics of Barack Obama. And if this is now the Politics of the Democratic Party, I have just one 4-letter word for the Unity Team and your stinky Losing Ticket, and that includes you, Al “lost-your-own-state” Gore. PUMA.
What’s important here is that half of the Democratic Party are now in exile. And if the other half think that we’re going to get over it, they think that what we’re mad about is that Hillary is not the candidate. That is no longer our issue.What we are mad about is that both the nomination and the party have been stolen. And about that we will not get over. Garychapelhill sums it up best for those of us who are now exiled from the so-called Democratic party:
Barack Obama is a dirty politician. He wins elections through fraud. When we get to a point that elections are meaningless then our democracy is finished. If this is the change that we’ve been waiting for, count me out.
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Can you guys resond to this at HuffPo before the Obamabots descend? Thanks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-tomasic/hell-no-puma-spokesman-wi_b_108581.html
respond I mean
I am in moderation Mawm, but I tried
I made it short and sweet with a retire the debt post in the hope it will get thru the CENSORS….
I just did! Thanks for putting the word out!
I tried to but it has been years since I posted there, so had to register again. :::sigh::: Still waiting for that special ‘email’ from them.
I got banned from there a long time ago.
I was thrown out of Daily Kos for saying I will not vote for Obama.
It is a Stalinist mindset over there.
This is why I have wanted to know when the date of the acceptance speech at the convention was set. Was it intentionally set for the date of the MLK speech? If it was not intentional then say it but I want to know when it was determined. What a marketing tool (like they don’t already have so many for his campaign what a joke) to have the first aa to accept on that date.
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY
NO OBAMA
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES
Obamatrollsareidiots might I humbly suggest that you consider amending your tagline to…..
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION FASCIST THEOLOGY…..Since Cone defines the Marxist class struggle to be a racist one it becomes FASCIST.
BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY IS THE FASCIST CHILD OF THE MARXIST PARENT…LIBERATION THEOLOGY….Just a suggestion and I’m glad to see you repeat the danger nonetheless….
workingclassartist
Yes, I have been aware of liberation theology for a long time as the Catholic church has been fighting it for 40 years. The members of my parish are very concerned about Obama’s embrace of this theology. Been using this tag since I came here months ago and hope that people will research the real marxism theology behind Black Liberation Marxist Theology.
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY
NO OBAMA
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES
Brilliant.
When I heard about the convention coinciding with the MLK speech, I thought, “How convenient for the Dems,” but something felt very fishy. You have put it well into context for me, OBAMATROLLSAREIDIOTS. Another great talking point.
The pieces of this puzzle have fallen together so effortlessly. Nice and clean. It’s all as clear as the nose on Obama’s radical, egotistical, smirking face. In much too orderly a fashion to be coincidence.
I’ve been saying for months that the entire primary season and coronation of Bo was planned years ago. Every day there is more and more validation to my, and many others, theory.
I will give the Dems credit where it is due. They have finally caught up with the Repugs and are as evil and undermining as the GOP ever thought they could be.
And I am convinced, more than ever, to rebuke The Radical One. I will NEVER vote for the Coward, Kennedy, Kerry, Brazile, Pelosi, Leahy Obamessiah.
Who says the Race Card hasn’t been played?
Hillary or McCain ‘08!
OMG, it looks like we have another Smirking Chimp on the scene. What IS it about Americans that fall for this particular ego? Are they that naive?
I wish I could afford to move abroad, but thanks to the dollar’s decline, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Inflate an innertube and swim 90 miles south.
Running away is cowardly and half the damned reason we’re in this mess.
WE are responsible for this.
WE brought it on ourselves.
Young people flock to that asshole because nobody took the time to teach our kids the truth.
Educators who have been swallowing Marxist crap in the guise of political correctness and then hand feeding it to these foolish young people like a mother robin to her chicks are to blame.
And WE let them do it. I watched my own kid’s school go on for over an hour on how the wonderful Black F’ing Panthers and Stokely F’ing Carmichael were the ones who brought integration to our country.
One minor mention of MLK was tossed in but the emphasis was on those bastards who murdered their way into history.
Sorry for the rant but this didn’t happen overnight.
The fools who are for Obama are the the fools they are because WE didn’t teach them any different.
So now you want to run away and leave the sandbox to them? To hell with that plan.
This F’ed up country happens to be MINE!
I am taking it back.
Just you wait if Obama wins and then appoints Bill Ayers as head of the National Education Board – America’s indoctrination into Marxism and violence via our young children will be accomplished in a matter of 25 years as they are taught that crap by teachers who’ve been taught by Ayers so when they grow up, they don’t know any better. The Constitution and the greatness of America will be destroyed by these radicals.
Interesting catch…..and should be easy to find out.
Date was decided on January 2007 when then location was decided.
medusa – you hit the nail on the head with your assessments….
read my blog at The Hillary Hotline
A Stolen Election
http://blog.hill4pres.com
http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/my-top-ten-list-why-im-not-voting-for-obama/
Me too: Here are my TOP 10 reasons I’m not voting for Obama in response to some nonsense listed about the PUMA movement on salon.
Thank you for all of your hard work.
Amen – nice work. I had long thought the fix was in by the way Dean, Brazile, et. al, were conducting themselves…
Gonna go check out NancyinCali’s post, and Dakinkat.
Thanks for the good work!!
A little history on how take overs are done.
At a cabinet meeting held later in the morning, February 28, Chancellor Hitler demanded an emergency decree to overcome the crisis. He met little resistance from his largely non-Nazi cabinet. That evening, Hitler and Papen went to Hindenburg and the befuddled old man signed the decree “for the Protection of the people and the State.”
The Emergency Decree stated: “Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm
Hitler was selected not elected as well.
I’m just sayin’.
Hmmmmm…..Thanks for the reference Harp. Great Article Medusa.
***** FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES……nuff said…..*****
The fix has been in, indeed.
Written by Donna Brazile, November 5th 2004:
This is a new moment to identify and recruit better messengers. Perhaps it’s time to tap into the “Obama” factor: Scour statehouses for young, energetic, inspiring, and emerging leaders with the ability to connect the head and heart. Too many of the old Democratic guard have stayed in Washington, D.C., too long to fully recognize how most Americans live their lives. I admit that I’m also guilty of being a little out of step with some of my family members. But I can play a mean catch-up when I visit my red home state or when they visit me here in my blue colony of Washington, D.C. (Yes, we are still fighting for statehood and voting rights.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2109328/
Thank you for that article. Now I see that the fix was in way before the primary. Donna Brazile was pushing Obama way back and I still want to know when the decision was made to make the date of the acceptance speech on the anniversary of mlk speech.
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY
NO OBAMA
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES
Can someone with good Computer skills post this piece by Donna Brazile in the Section called READERS ARTICLES at REALCLEARPOLITICS? They have about 4 or 5 pieces listed and people vote on them. This is something every DEM should read. The DNC controlled this Primary season and it looks like the people that run the DNC wanted Obama from the start. The Party is now run by a bunch of Wingnuts, Donna Brazile, Coward Dean etc.
I will not go back to the Democratic Party until they prove to me that they are truly DEMOCRATIC again. AND that will not be possible as long as they’re directed by Obama and his minions.
The whole party needs to be purged. You can`t beat cancer by removing only part of the tumor.
Agree with you Harp. Think it’s time for a third party….Bleed the DNC dry of funds and members….Of course this takes years ( sigh )
Bill and Hillary could do it if they were so inclined. Opportunities like this only come along once in a lifetime.
Carpe Diem Hillary…Carpe Diem !
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX ESTO
( Let the Welfare of the People be the Extreme Law )
Absolutely. I’d like to see a third party revolution, for sure. The best is Kucinich but unfortunately, he just doesn’t have the charisma to take on something that huge.
This is the first time in my life time that I’ve seen this type of opportunity for a third party.
There are those that build a party and those that represent a party….Occasionally you can have both in one person like FDR.
Perhaps Kucinich is a builder….an architect.
Bill and Hill have both of these qualities as they built the centrist faction within the party in the 90’s.
http://www.theotherdemocrats.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=146&view=findpost&p=619
This post just appeared on http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com. Lots of folks are on the same page and spreading the thoughts:
Harp, you’re so right. Clearly the logical choice would be to have the Clintons lead this charge and to bring on REAL liberals like Kucinich to lead a new third party. The thing is, with the campaign debt, and of course, imagining it even could happen, would the Clintons have the guts to ‘go there’? Would it not be possible until Obama loses solidly in November?
For the first time in my life, I’m ready for the challenge. I’m just not sure where to start.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com
Think this would be what’s behind the 2012 run. It could take that much tie toorganize it…..Hmmmm…..I’m in if they do it !
Nothing would please me more than seeing Hillary make an Independent run. Man the looks on the DNC`s faces !!
I agree, the elected ones we need to vote them all out. Vote against all the Obama backers in future elections, including superdelegates if they hold elected positions.
Lets leave them all holding the Hope bag.
Heres Hillary First Appearance Back
Shes Back!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5adBv1kEpE&eurl
Oh goodness! I sure do miss seeing her. She looks rested at least (from what I could tell from the overly-pixeled video).
As long as she was running, I had hope we could turn this country around. Now I feel totally hopeless.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com
Id Imperfectum Manet Dum Confectum Erit = It aint’ over till it’s over.
Obama has not been crowned yet.
Taylor Marsh wants to be famous.
I quit going to her site as she has become insufferable and condescending.
I stopped going to her site as well. Not because I find her insufferable or condescending, but because I find nothing new there. I can get all the same information from many other bigger and better sources.
I’ll add that to my reasons as well…..
She always was “insufferable and condescending” which is why I never participated over there.
She’s also way stuck on herself. Not unlike Stephanie (lookatme) Miller and RANDI (immaho) Rhodes!
LMAO…..well I’m still kind new at this…..so I’ll take your word for it….
??? Does someone else have your screen name then? I used to see you there a TON!
Hmmmm…..Never commented at TM just read the stuff and used the links that’s how I found NQ. Don’t go many other places anymore as the moderation reminds me of Elementary school…..Occasionally comment at Angelchel’s because she is just such a good analyst even when I don’t agree with her she gets me thinking….So maybe I do have an imposter….chuckle….You’ll know it’s me cause I occasionally use Latin and Always refer to Obama as a FASCIST and fondly refer to you as Bee….Did the other WCA have anything intelligent to say…..just wondering…chuckle…
No my friend, I was speaking to Dawnelle … she/he must have a name that is often used because I enjoyed TM until she started trying to uh um uh, direct uh you know, people uh um who otherwise uh disagreed um uh what uh it looks like to uh be um considered a um uh Democrat …
Dawnelle???
Not me. The first and only time I tried to comment it was held for I don’t know how long so I gave up but kept reading and decided from that point I didn’t want to participate.
There are other Dawnelle’s (I’ve googled my name) so it’s possible.
But not me. I have blogged at Sugar&Spice, myDD (not lately), occasionally at Confluence or TomWatson. There’s too much to read for me to blog too much lately.
And then sometimes I have to just turn it off for a day. Or my brains will leak out my ears! LOL
I have zero respect for TM. Months ago she showed her ego was her true love.
Aye…. TraitorMarsh…
http://www.nobamanetwork.com/
I noticed that the Huffington Post is listed in this nobamanetwork (above)…is this an accident or a prank?
Is this new network part of http://www.justsaynodeal.com/...
Anyone know?
No, it’s a different group that was going on during the primaries.
Huffington Post allowed people like Taylor Marsh to post their writings. That is probably why it’s on that site’s list.
No woman, it kind of sprung up out of nowhere all by itself. Far as I know it is not part of JSND.
I did see a comment on my blog from them asking further information about my blog and requesting I use their logo.
I tell you, if I put all the logos that are springing up all over on my blog, I wouldn’t have room for any of the stuff I would like to put there myself.
I’m one of those believers that a zillion points in every direction is no better than no point at all. You can’t harness power if it is split up in dozens of different places.
So what is keeping the Democrats from forming a new party. Talking is cheap. Let’s just have a solid physical presance. It is not going to have candidates for the GE, members can vote whoever they want or accept the endorsement from the party. All I am suggesting here to all the people who want to take this to the next step, just say to hell with Dem party in a big way. At this point the most important part is number of its membership. If every one who is also a clinton supporter, doesn’t like how Obama gained the candidacy or just a decent human being took a membership on the new party, hell will brake loose for Dean and comp. Just all those phoneies in the house shaking up at the procpects of loosing their seats. Sure there are some peole who pull this off in a quick way, I mean the legal paper work. It worth it big time trust me
No direction?
More centralized control
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obamas_funding_gambit.html
I am reregistering in order to vote in the battleground state par excellence in November. No longer will I vote in the state in which I have been voting since the age of 18, as I want to ensure my vote will sink Barack Obama.
I’ve un-registered as a Democrat and re-registered as a Republican for a local primary race in the early fall where we have thug Republicans running for re-election, and because the Democrats running against them are fools who are unelectable. I’d rather support another Republican run against the Democratic fools – at least we won’t have the thugs back in charge. (Hoping for the best there)
After the primary, I’m registering as an independent and will do whatever it takes to sink Obama, even if I have to vote for McCain. That’s a one-two punch. If I just don’t vote, it’s one vote Obama doesn’t get. If I vote for McCain, it’s a vote he doesn’t get and a vote against him as well.
It makes me sick that it’s come to this but it’s the way it will be. My spouse is with me on this, so maybe it will make a difference.
Thank you Medusa!!
and anyone disgusted by Wexlers behavior at the RBC: Looking for action??
consider this opponent!!!
I am calling on all Hillary supporters to help me elect Ben Graber for Florida’s 19th district. He’s challenging Robert Wexler (need I say more). He is a democrat, but is running as an independent so he can face off against Wexler during the general election rather than the primary. He has promised to caucus with the democrats if elected.
For more information about the race visit http://nobamanews.blogspot.com/ or just go to his Web site and contribute http://www.graberforcongress.com/
Thanks!!!
More on this here http://www.graberforcongress.com/article.php?id=23
I wish I could vote in your district. I’m stuck with the stupid bitch Ros-Lehtinen. She can’t seem to be kicked out of office – too many Miami Repig Cuban-Americans up her butt.
Goodluck with it, though, ginaswo! I’d like to see more independents in Congress, since it’s clear the Dems are now just the ‘left wing’ of the Republican machine.
This is the smart way to take the buzzards down. The only thing politicians care about is being re-elected. Put the fear of the electorate into them and they’ll start responding to the will of the people. Only way they will do so. But Wexler along with quite a few others need to be out of office because they are corrupt and damn well gonna stay that way. Even politicians need to show some semblance of decency and integrity. Not a lot, but some.
AWESOME!!!! I just bookmarked his site and will DEFINITELY donate to him!
I was on Wexler’s email list because I had donated to him before and right after the RBC debacle, I received an email inviting me to a dinner/fund raiser in Florida. I emailed back and told them I would walk across the street to attend a Wexler fund raiser and gave them an earful about stealing Hillary’s delegates and counting FL. voters as 1/2 vote. I informed them that I left the Democratic Party and was voting for McCain.
The fund raiser coordinator emailed me back and said…”Good for you, enjoy the McCain administration!”
I emailed him back and told him he was the first EVER Obamarhoid who actually admitted that John McCain was going to win in Novemeber if Obama is the Dem candidate.
He also misspelled a word in his email and I got an insult in for that too.;) It felt good.
Sooner or later these freaks will get the message that we are SERIOUS! BO is going DOWN!
CORRECTION! WOULD walk across the street = WOULDN’T walk across the street
sorry
I predict by the end of the week all of the democratic candidates in the upcoming election cycle will have ingested the kool aid because obie and the dnc will threaten them will turning off the fund$. It sickens me to think it but how can you blame them they have no alternative. Money is the essential element to any campaign above integrity, honesty, message. In the end even our votes have no value. Sad, sad, sad.
NOOOOOO don’t say that our COLLECTIVE votes have value. If you despair they win. They haven’t yet do your job aka DUTY beat the bums out
This is where a party or an organization with a physical presance ie membership, comes into paly. No one of those loosers will ignore the implication of his actions any more. Let say Obama paid a person a lot of money to win and there is a list to show him a big chunk of his people don’t like Bo so where do think he would go
I agree with Medusa. I’m not certain when Obama consolidated the DNC support, but it was much earlier than the public knew. This has been a farce of an election. It is wrong. It IS a shame on the party’s history. And it needs to be stopped.
To see our party leaders support broken pledges as though it were nothing, to hear the slamming of Hillary when they were suppose to be endorsing of Obama, to watch the rush to the microphones over sheer trash stories intended to smear her, and the obvious chanting that she should exit the party leaves everyone with no doubt that the insiders were determined to see her lose.
Now the rest of the picture becomes clearer with the obvious predetermined move to Chicago.
I believe that PUMA needs to now reach out to even those who may not have been hardcore Hillary supporters. The issue has now grown beyond merely the primary process. This is about the way the Democratic Party has always operated, with a big umbrella and equality. There is no equality when a handful of insiders derail a primary process and ignore the will of 18 million voters. Their actions are unacceptable.
I think the conspiracy was much more casual and simple, and like the road to hell, was paved with good intentions:
1. 2004 – Dean lost the nomination, and wanted to run for DNC chair.
2. Many in the DNC resisted the idea of Dean as DNC chair. They tried everything to thwart him – the “Clinton wing” and “Terry McCauliffe wing” tried to get Even Bayh, Harold Ford, Donnie Fowler, many names other than Dean installed as the next DNC chair. But a newly-empowered grassroots group was able to overcome this and get Dean installed as DNC chair. (I was a Deaniac, and at the time was excited he was the new chair.)
3. Dean promised to only serve as DNC chair for one term, expiring in early 2009.
3. Dean wanted to be competitive in all 50 states, but establishment Dems were skeptical to say the least. Dean and other “netroots” activists were pissed at elected Dems who would not share their fundraising donor lists with the DNC.
4. Recently (late 2007, early 2008) it was discovered the DNC had allocated so many resources to the states for Dean’s 50-state strategy that the DNC itself was verrrry short of its fundraising goals.
5. Once Obama started winning a few primaries, Dean’s and Pelosi’s eyes got big when they imagined getting their hands on Obama’s donor list. Of course, you can register with Obama’s campaign under five different email addresses and make it look like you are five people not one person, but they didn’t care. They just thought all these new names, all these new donors, and their eyes turned into dollar signs.
6. Late February Pelosi starts publicly discouraging the idea of a “Unity Ticket” because Hillary said Obama did not meet Commander-in-Chief threshold. (See The New Republic’s recent profile of Nancy Pelosi for details.)
7. DNC still very short of its fundraising goals as they approach end of primary season. Dean is sweating but he sees a life preserver in Obama’s donor list that Obama is willing to share with DNC should Obama clinch the nomination. The Clintons, on the other hand, were not willing to share their donor list with the DNC (thank god!)
8. The primary is so close that re-votes in MI and FL are clearly necessary to break the tie, but Dean gives both candidates full veto power over any revote plans. Since Hillary won both states, and would definitely win Florida in a revote, this decision by Dean favored Obama who would naturally veto any revote plans. Dean could have been unconsciously acting in Obama’s favor, because he was so nervous about DNC’s fundraising shortfall and being out of a job.
9. Jeremiah Goddamn AmeriKKKa Wright makes headlines, but Dean and Pelosi either a) do not think this will affect Obama’s electability with the general electorate or b) do not care if Obama is elected, they just want Obama’s donor list, which will become available as soon as Obama clinches the nomination.
10. Obama clinches the nomination. Within days it’s announced Dean will stay on as DNC chair past the one term he promised to serve. Also within days we find out parts of DNC moving to Chicago for a “streamlined” Obama-DNC operation.
No grand schemes, just basic CYA motives. Of course, if Soros preferred Obama over Clinton, that may have caused Dean, Pelosi to employ unconscious favoritism toward Obama.
That makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for putting it into historical context.
I tend to agree with you. I think the backers of Obama WERE working long before, but they are a different bunch.
Pelosi and Dean are simply too dimwitted to be masterminds. It seemed to me, it was Kennedy who signalled for the insiders to climb aboard.
I don’t think it was that conspiratorial that somebody “installed” Obama back in 2004. I was even mesmerized by Obama at first in 2004, and from afar his resume looks adequate. Then his “magic” wears off and you realize he’s not that different, in fact his intellect is pretty ordinary (see today’s NYTimes on Obama’s backing of corn-based ethonol, such an old, disproven idea that exacerbates rising food prices, and illegal immigration.) Then the closer you look at his resume, it’s much thinner than it first appears.
One more thing: On Morning Joe today, they were speculating that Obama’s fundraising prowess has already peaked. They were looking at McCain’s and Obama’s fundraising numbers for May, which were even. They said Obama made a “risky” move opting out of public financing for the G.E., because he may not be able to raise that much money after all, and the political hit he’ll take for such a huge flip-flop will outweigh the money advantage, which will be less than Obama assumed it would be.
I think he’s lying about where the money came from in the primaries. He didn’t report as Hillary did donations under 200.
I “think” that the GE election process is more closely supervised. I could be wrong about this.
So yes, I think he may have trouble. It may be because he can’t cheat.
Ann – Russ Feingold said what you say – that public financing for primaries may have been flawed, but public financing for the General Election was not.
Matthew Dowd had a very interesting ABC blog this morning about how STUPID a move it was. With such a short election cycle, he could have spent all of the money he is currently taking in and still taken public financing. It is one of the “duh” moments that might bite him in the ass.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/matthewdowd/2008/06/obama-brand-tru.html
“I think the conspiracy was much more casual and simple, and like the road to hell, was paved with good intentions.”
Yes. Exactly.
PUMA
I think the bottom line is they wanted to pick the candidate by committee, reglardless of what the voters wanted and regardless of whether the candidate was viable or not. Those whom the gods would destroy must first be made drunk with power. That is exactly what happened to the DNC. The power-drunkenness has been fulfilled. Next comes the destruction.
I would say that more than half the party is in exile as that is the figure (a majority) which backed HRC in the primary.
There will be no healing, no concessions.
This is an internecine war which was started by the Bambians and now they will suffer its consequences. Nobody made them do what they did. They chose to do it because they knew it was their only chance to pull off a coup and so they went after it (black America gonna wake on up after we race bait the hell out of them) with the blessings of the MSM and the party ‘leadership’ who only cared about BaJoke’s donor list and getting rid of the Clintons.
The difference between us and persons such as Marsh who are motivated by self interest (she is an official blogger, apparently, for the Dem Convention and thus has to toe the line they want) is that instead of ‘coming together’ like sheep who know no better what we are saying, instead, is that based on what we have seen from Barack Stalin Obama during the primaries we have come to the conclusion that he and his cult are far too dangerous to support and thus we are superseding our party principles for the good of the nation. That’s what intelligent beings do: They adapt to the circumstances rather than simply follow their handlers into the Democratic pen at the ballot box.
I have never been this concerned for our republic’s safety in my lifetime, and that includes during the Cold War and the ambling towards fascism we did under Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.
This man, this seal-appropriator, is staring people in the face and lying to them. He is telling us ‘I hate this country, and you.’ He is telling us to ‘get over it’ because he destroyed decades of work to heal rifts between races.
No, Stick Man, we will be getting over YOU, instead.
Viva PUMA, and every other movement and organization which is working to stop this would-be Lenin from assuming power.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
More than half? Ha ha ha. That assumes that every single Clinton voter is a PUMA. Well, if CLINTON HERSELF supports Obama now, that should tell you how accurate that estimate is. Sorry, your delusions are only shared by a small minority of like-minded lunatics. We’ll still let you celebrate with us when Obama wins in November, though. We’re magnanimous like that.
Bye bye, coupist. No one is following you or your golden calf over the cliff.
Au revoir to Bambi, hello to The Bambi Effect displacing The Bradley Effect.
He will rapidly lose support for his cowardly stance, and he will not get the money from his usual sources. He’s blown off the federal matching funds which is going to be his downfall. Seventy percent of his checks was $1,000 and only 30% were under $100 – contrary to the folklore. The average Clinton supporter will never give money much less vote for him.
Obama is hiding right out in the open. He can’t duck questions forever. The American people will become even more suspicious. He is going to be a spectacular failure.
If a real open press, free of bias and corruption, were in place, Barack Obama would be toast. Now he’s barely hanging on and the Republicans have even started on all the bullshit in his closet.
So you keep dreaming.
just don’t expect us to come over and console your broken misguided heart when he loses!!
And even though we SHOULD be Laughing our Azzzzzes off at YOU it will NOT be a happy occasion for YOUR group of anal twits will have cost us yet ANOTHER ELECTION due to your narrow mindedness! Exactly the same as the NEOCONS on the narrow right.
WAKE THE HELL UP!
GROW THE HELL UP!
INVESTIGATE OBAMA!
DO YOUR JOB BEFORE YOU COME HERE AND MAKE UP LIES!!
THIS IS NOT A PRO BAMBI BLOG
DOOFUSES
WE’RE NOT CHANGING OUR MINDS
WE’VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK
Skepticle,
If only 18% of Clinton supporters abandon Obama in November, as most polls are showing 18-25%, that means:
18% of 18 million is 3,240,000 voters.
Not a small number at all.
The Unity candidate better get to work, eh?
Hillary has a gun pointing to her head by the DNC and Obama cultist who are threatening riots.
Her so called endorsement is a hostage video.
Both she and her husband will be voting for McCain in the privacy of the voting booth. They don’t trust the country to an unqualified fool like Obama.
In response to Obama’s claim that Republicans will use race to stoke
fear, Lt. Col Allen West, candidate for Congress in Florida’s 22
District issued this release: (Clarice Feldman)
“My advice to Senator Obama is to run as a Man and Leader, and the
American people will evaluate you as such, not as a victim. This is a
Presidential race, based solely on a capacity to lead the United States
of America. It is not about skin tone…however, perhaps we should come
to expect these immature statements.
It also seems rather humorous that the Presidential candidate who was
supposed to be such a “uniter” and transcend race is the one talking
about it the most. If Senator Obama was confident in his abilities and
character, he would not need to create a crutch for failure. Senator
Obama has just tipped his hand, any criticism of him and his policies
will be directly attributed to racism. I congratulate Senator Obama for
taking race relations in America back some 30 years.” Lt. Col Allen West
So what is he going to run on. he has nothing in way of acheivments or experiances to talk about. Give the man a break he has to work with what he has
Obama didn’t win the nomination by taking advice from dumbshit backwater fringe candidates. Go back to the barracks, Lt. Col.
he didn’t win though
Listen up, EINSTEIN…Obamarhoid DID NOT win the nomination. He is the “presumptive” nominee. No votes have been cast and won’t be until August. DUMBSHIT.
Well, your brilliant use of “Obamarhoid” has convinced me. How could I possibly argue with such genius?
Ok, how about FISA, NAFTA, and his 180 on Iraq. Barky said he’d listen to guys like the LT. Col. with regards to not having a set timetable on pulling out troops. Oh and way to go with that whole support the troops mantra. You’re just like the Bushbots, support the troops as long as they agree with you. Otherwise, they need to shut up.
First Obama attack book in the works
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11263.html
Yes !!! Thanks for that one. I hope it hits the best seller list fast!!
Good news … John Kerry’s up for re-election here and my famly and many MA voters are not voting for him this year. He’s tanking in the polls big time for what he did to HRC. Plus he sucks anyway.
If you have a link to the polls, I’d love to see them. It would just perk up my morning here.
Sorry I don’t, it was on fox news a few days ago. I’ll do a search and post what I find.
We’ve learned two things from this. Whether employed by Republicans or Democrats, Rovean tactics 1) divide the party that practices them, and 2) result in REALLY TERRIBLE candidates–cf. Dubyah and Obama.
You Are in MY Reality Now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuTV4IaVVa0
THAT WAS FREAKIN HILARIOUS DUDE!!!!
HHAHAHAHA!
I was terribly disappointed at Taylor Marsh who was bookmarked for me throughout the primary…but I guess she’s angling for a mainstream media job now…so the truth no longer matters.
She’s no longer a bookmark for me.
Or maybe, as a Democrat, she believes the Democratic nominee would make a better president than the Republican nominee. I know that’s a foreign concept to people around here, but it’s actually how most voters think.
Too bad Obamarhoid ISN’T the nominee. Just because you keep repeating the LIE, doesn’t make it true.
Who’s going to be on the ballot in November in your world?
We shall find out after August. Hillary could still win the nomination should Obamarrhoid implode by then…or maybe the Super Delegates will finally realize what a HUGE mistake they made and wake the hell up and vote for the candidate that can actually WIN in November.
Off topic,
To Obama’s wrong interpretation of his own chosen Latin phrase, I can only say the obvious….falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus. Nuff said
Medusa, Excellent post and comments.
bella — great find re: Brazille’s early Obama statements.
Last week, I followed a lead about Dean’s DFA, the DNC, and Obama, who used DFA’s training materials for his trainings. Dean created a progressive org to defeat Repubs after two election disasters. He built DFA from grassroots up to state level, held trainings. Then those activists, basically interested citizens, elected him to DNC Chair. Many now feel duped because of their early call for their members to endorse a Pres candidate, as did moveon. (sound familiar?) I’m writing a follow-up about DFA participants’ experience.
http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/oops-didnt-realize-i-was-so-late-deans-dfa/
Check BO’s new slogan, which mirrors that of Democracy for America.
http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/reader-quiz-one-of-these-seals-is-just-like-the-other/
HARP — we’re on same wavelength:
In an article yesterday, I highlighted Kids for Obama, the vehicle through which Obama and eager parents are involving kids. They’re basically indoctrinating them, the parents innocently foolish, in a cult of personality, which reminds me eerily of Hitler Youth.
http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/obamakids-not-just-for-grownups-anymore/
Why those of us who know Obama is not worthy of being President due to our research, concern, eyes being wide open, oppose hypocrisy from whomever, are still being bullied to follow lock step another idiot
(especially like all those who voted for Bush the second time) over the cliff of lies, cheat, thievery etc., blows my mind.
The MSM and political parties don’t seem to understand that Honesty will always be the best policy and not everyone is dumbed down (yet-though the powers that be are doing their damndest).
The American Idol era in the USA was the beginning of the end in so many ways.
I’m amazed. I have been a member of Liberal boards for 8 years now and I have to tell you that I was shocked when I saw people who I thought were educated, informed liberals starting to act like zombies, glassy-eyed at the mention of a name, and even more startling, how they turned on people they’d known for years when anyone questioned their idol.
I am still in shock and am even more disgusted now with American than I was after the election in ‘04.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com
Ahhhh yes, der obamazoidjugend!
Let’s not waste our time defending why we aren’t voting nobamidot. They should are the ones who have to convince the American public that their anti-American socialist ideology is the change we need.
This is worth reading. From the civil rights movement in wikipedia..
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…..In defiance, these citizens adopted a combined strategy of direct action with nonviolent resistance known as civil disobedience. The acts of civil disobedience produced crisis situations between practitioners and government authorities. The authorities of federal, state, and local governments often had to act with an immediate response to end the crisis situations – sometimes in the practitioners favor. Some of the different forms of civil disobedience employed include boycotts as successfully practiced by the Montgomery Bus Boycott (1955-1956) in Alabama, “sit-ins” as demonstrated by the influential Greensboro sit-in (1960) in North Carolina, and marches as exhibited by the Selma to Montgomery marches (1965) in Alabama.
Noted achievements of the Civil Rights Movement in this area include the legal victory in the Brown v. Board of Education (1954) case that overturned the legal doctrine of “separate but equal” and made segregation legally impermissible, passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that banned discrimination in employment practices and public accommodations, passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that restored voting rights, and passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 that banned discrimination in the sale or rental of housing.
[edit]Black Power
Main article: Black Power
See also: Black Panther Party, Black nationalism, and pan-Africanism
By 1966 the emergence of the Black Power movement (1966-1975) began gradually to eclipse the original “integrated power” aims of the Civil Rights Movement that had been espoused by Martin Luther King Jr. Advocates of Black Power argued for black self-determination, and to assert that the assimilation inherent in integration robs Africans of their common heritage and dignity; e.g., the theorist and activist Omali Yeshitela argues that Africans have historically fought to protect their lands, cultures and freedoms from European colonialists, and that any integration into the society which has stolen another people and their wealth is actually an act of treason.
Today, most Black Power advocates have not changed their self-sufficiency argument. Racism still exists worldwide and it is generally accepted that blacks in the United States, on the whole, did not assimilate into U.S. “mainstream” culture either by King’s integration measures or by the self-sufficiency measures of Black Power — rather, blacks arguably became evermore oppressed, this time partially by “their own” people in a new black stratum of the middle class and the ruling class. Black Power’s advocates generally argue that the reason for this stalemate and further oppression of the vast majority of U.S. blacks is because Black Power’s objectives have not had the opportunity to be fully carried through…………...
I am not voting for Obama for the same reason Republicans should not have voted for Bush, Jr. in 2000 and 2004: I do not want the burden on my spirit of possibly helping to elect a completely inexperienced and unproven individual to the highest position in the country. We have seen where that type of thoughtless voting got us…the list of difficulties brought on the by the Bush, Jr. administration is breathtaking.
I want no part of what I believe would be a disastrous Obama administration.
LIN, That is ANOTHER GREAT reason to NOT vote BHO
The list has turned into PAGES by now. I wish we had all this FORE knowledge of BUSH before 2000. WE SURELY did in 2004 and KERRY was no where near as bad as BHO is!!
GOD they just keep getting worse!!!!
GORE was fine, Kerry was SAD but doable then we get this?????? HOLY crap! It’s just plain crazy, that’s all.
. . . not to mention his many questionable associates
CNN is reporting that Joe Biden wants to be VP? I asked if it was true that Larry Sinclair was sitting in jail on a Delaware warrant and Joe Biden’s son was the Attorney General of Delaware. My question was scrubbed.
R U FREAKIN KIDDIN ME????
Biden’s SON??????
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
It’s all so cozy, isn’t it?
The fix was in. Now Biden in angling for the VP spot. He’ll probably get it too. That was probably the DEAL MADE…get your son to issue the Sinclair arrest warrant and you’re “in like Flint.”
I hope he likes his newly appointed “aid.” You gotta figure he’s going to be stuck with her.
What you want in a president:
1. Honesty
2. Experience
3. Love of country (including it’s inhabitants)
4. Independence
5. Decency (some at least)
Now apply to candidates
lol lol
desperate
What’s so funny about it? Have any proof that anything posted is false? No? I didn’t think so.
Just received an email from Hillary. It was a very nice thank you with her request for continued support. She included one statement of her support for Sen Obama. I don’t know what to make of this. I cannot tell just what continued contributions will be used for.
Ditto here. And it is unclear. And it’s clear that Obama is editing.
Therefore, no clear request to pay down her debt. There must be a deal in the works.
I suppose it’s the leverage he’s using to make sure the Clintons campaign for him.
BTW…..did you catch what Bill did in Miama? *haha
He gave “faint praise” to Obama’s energy plan and smiled when asked if he were endorsing Obama.
Oh, goodness…I didn’t see that? Any links?
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1864533
BILL is blowing steam.
BHO voted FOR Cheney’s enegry bill!!!
HOW on earth could that be better than McKooks? I kind of doubt it. NO ONE is more heinous (shoot you in the face) EVIL than CHAINSAW CHENEY the SHOOTER!
NO ONE! (not imo)
lol energy
If you read the article, you’ll see he had to say something about energy. The mayor’s conferrence was on energy.
He was about as non-committal as he could get without really getting into trouble.
I loved how he dodged the endorsement question.
The bigdawg barks!
They both will be campaigning in UNITY NH on Friday..gag me
As to when the selection was a done deal – here’s a clue as of may 8:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/obama-selection-was-a-done-deal-when/
The DNC move to Chicago is truly frightening -and the links to Farrakan et. al. We know Emil Jones began grooming Obama for higher office back in OB’s Illinois State senate days. And what about Obama’s money. Go to this link – http://savagepolitics.com/ -and watch the video of Quaddifi’s speech there, including his remarks about money for Obama’s campaign. A quote from the article (”Gaddifi and Friends”) following the video (note the timelines):
“Ten years after first stepping foot in Wright’s church, in October 1995 Obama accompanied Wright to Farrakhan’s “Million Man March.”
The following year, in January 1996, Farrakhan returned from another trip to Libya. It was the same month in which Barack Obama became an Illinois State Senator. By then, Obama had been attending Rev. Wright’s church for ten years, the latter five as a committed member. The New York Times reported:
“Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam, visited Libya this week to meet Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and discussed how to “unify, mobilize and organize” American Muslims for elections in the United States this year.
Colonel Qaddafi, the Libyan leader, quoted by the state press agency, said: “Our confrontation with America used to be like confronting a fortress from outside. Today we have found an opening to enter the fortress and to confront it from within.”
The New York Times reported August 27, 1996 (h/t GS), that Farrakhan had applied to the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control for “permission” to accept a $1 billion “donation” pledged by Qaddafi during Farrakhan’s January 1996 trip to Libya, which had been under U.S. sanctions for years due to its “links to terrorism” that “bar most business transactions between the two countries and limit travel.”
George Soros may be the money bags for the operation and Dean the front man, but I think John Kerry’s fingerprints are all over everything.
It would be sweet justice if his primary challenger could knock him out of his Senate seat.
One other thing….the move of DNC to Chicago certainly is connected to Obama and all his local supporters, but it may also have something to do with the University of Chicago’s economic crowd. People who I would expect to have more sense than to endorse Obama seem to be Democrats who believe in the free market and support the military-industrial complex with distinction. I am thinking of two politicians I am familiar with, Napolitano of Arizona and Roy Romer, former Governor of Colorado.
And then there is that guy from NYC, Bloomberg, who said Hillary’s a great senator, but he doesn’t want to see her as President.
All in all, I think these globalists waged an economic hit job on Hillary and the lower 80% of the American public.
I am sure we will be called on to “sacrifice” if Obama is elected.
And just forget about universal health care. Sorry Hillary, not in this lifetime.
Go O’Reilly!
I asked my cousin in Boston if he was aware of Kerry’s opponent O’Reilly.
he was but he’s still clueless as he said Obama was a remarkable man. (nothing about Kerry though so he must know)
of course I had to LMAO!!!
Obama is remarkable, all right.
I can’t wait till he starts whining about the 527s and says Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa, they are picking on me because I’m black!
That should play well for the Victim candidate who says he has risen above race.
OMG … your cuz needs to get a clue fast. Sorry but I live MA, it was on the news that Kerry was tanking in the polls do to his support for BOBO. BOBO remarkable? Ya remarkable that he made it this far!!!
Should we settle Hillary’s debt if Obama is in the works to retire it? The way I see it the more debt she has the more Obama will have to spend from his campaign coffers to settle it. Any thoughts?
My position is that I will wait for a direct communication from Hillary. Otherwise, since I’m in a major urban area, I’m hoping she’ll do a quick fundraising tour later, and I’ll get to even meet her!
People all over the blogs are insisting that it’s OK to donate to her site, but I haven’t seen any direction from her on that issue.
I’ve seen where she’s going to eat her own debt. That’s fair. Then there’s another 11 million outstanding.
But how much of that amount is soft debt that should be discounted (consultant fees, for example) and how much is hard debt? I haven’t seen anything.
There was an interesting article on RCP a couple of weeks ago about some deal she was trying to finagle with the election finance oversight group. It was a deal where she was working some loopholes. But the Republicans were balking on it, because the DNC has blasted McCain for the same sort of stuff on his finances. So I assume that plan fell through.
Her doners were to meet with Obama this week again. I suspect we’ll hear something definite after they meet.
Hard debt is the rally spaces and such. It adds up. They still need to be paid even if they were rallies in hgh schools.
I think most of us agree we don’t want Obama elected, this issue goes way beyond Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party is corrupt (possibly beyond repair), and democracy and our freedom are in jeopardy.
What we don’t seem to be able to agree on is what to do about it.
The coalition is great. Blogging and emailing is getting information out to some. Our votes will help (if we can count on them being counted for the person we vote for).
We can’t count on the MSM for help – they refuse to acknowledge this is bigger than being temporarily disgruntled because our candidate’s nomination was stolen; they refuse to air anything negative truth about Obama; and they insist we will all flock to Obama over time.
It is all up to us. What do we do? Whatever we do, we need to do it together. The problem is there are a lot of different plans.
A new third party is a great idea and I’ve also commented many times that is the most opportune time I’ve seen for one to be viable. Is time too short?
We won’t tell everyone to vote for McCain or a current third party because we do not tell people how to vote.
Words are powerful but are they being heard by enough people? Are they powerful enough to assure our freedom?
I am frustrated because time is going by so quickly and I feel our freedom slipping away.
What do we do?
I don’t have an answer.
Well, I am a bit more optimistic. We have the ability to fund the new organizations. I know I’ve been waiting to see which ones shape up as the most professional. So far, Just Say No Deal has my vote. Plus, I like the coalition aspect and the broad-based appeal.
That group could be formidible.
I don’t personally expect miracles overnight. This is hard work stuff. However, there’s already tremendous momentum going that helps to overcome initial reticence. They made some smart choices early on. One, acknowledgement that we all have the right to decide WHAT our own voting solution will be. We’re not Democrats for McCain necessarily.
Two, they have gotten onto Fox News now with Neil several times. He seems to like to plug them.
Three, their videos are better than most. *haha
Four, they have a money-monitoring system so we have a financial goal that we can watch and hit.
And five, they’ve got some good ideas going.
I think we may see this group branch out into supporting candidates who are NOT in the Obamacamp. Those Democrats need our support. Otherwise, he’s just going to gobble it all up. We need to support candidates like O’Reilly who is running against Kerry. Big name take-downs?
Just one would absolutely make MSN sit up and take notice. Just one. We need to take down just one big Obama surrogate.
In the meantime, we need to plow ahead with daily news releases on various obvious issues. Just until news organizations get used to seeing the organization’s comments come over their desk.
You’ll know it’s succeeded when you start seeing lip service given to PUMA on issues.
Let’s see where this goes. Could be way fun.
This has been in the works for years. Check out Evelyn Pringle’s articles on Operation Board Games. The only thing is that Blago was supposed to be the annointed one, not Obama.
I think they chose Obama back in 2004.
That’s when Dean made him part of Dean’s Dozen; Kerry and company gave him the platform for his speech at the convention; and then our friend Donna Brazile changed the ROOLZ that gave more weight to the AA/inner city primary votes than to rural (Hispanic and white) votes in each state.
That’s one of the weirdest things that happened to Hillary–most easily seen in TX but evident in every primary, where she could win more votes in a district but get fewer delegates because of Donna’s Roolz from 2004 or 2006 (I can’t remember) changed the method of allocation.
Now is not the time to try to start a viable third party. If the former Hillary supporters either stay home or vote for any third party candidate on the ballot it will in essence be a vote for Obama.
In order to make sure Obama does not win, we MUST vote McCain. Hillary should NEVER take second place with Obama. The only reason he would select her is because he sees the writing on the wall and needs her coattails to use in order to win.
I can’t believe a TRUE Democrat would vote for Obama simply to let a Democrat back into the WH. Having a Dem in the WH would be ok, but NOT THIS Democrat Obama.
I notice there is lots of press about how to “get” Hillary’s voters as if by Obama making some promises that we all know he would break would be all it takes to “sway” the Hillary supporters over to Obama.
I love my country too much to turn it over to the likes of Obama and his “friends.” The bigger statement during the general election will be when over 8 million Hillary supporters shove it back into the faces of the DNC and Obama by voting McCain.
With McCain we know our country is safe. With McCain we know our freedoms are safe. With McCain we know America will not be sold out.
While McCain is serving his 4 years, then we can start a truly valid 3rd party.
The call for the third party is not to enter the election this year. It will give a legitimate presence to all people enraged by what the party did. All these groups can continue to do what ever they are doing, but when it comes to counting how much of them are out there, we just direct them the membership of our party. At this point of time it will have no activities other than building membership and let their presence known. Every single with every added person. My dream if we can do this before the convention. We go to the convetion with say about 5+ million membership tell me with that what throne we can’t shake. It will not take away from PUMA, NODEAL or any other group. All we need from this party is the number of people in it.
A real third party will never be in America. The other party will never let it happen. Yes, I meant singular when I said “other party,” since both parties’ goal is to take what you have and give it to someone else. One party wants to give what you have to people who don’t have as much as you do, for whatever reason, including laziness. The other party wants to give what you have to people who already have more than you will ever have. In the meantime, you are screwed if you are a working middle class person who hopes one day to reach upper middle class, if only the current party in charge would get their hands out of your pockets and their heads out of your life.
Evelyn Pringle attempted months ago in her extremely thorough[though somewhat rambling]expose’ on Obama’s rise in corrupt Chicago politics and his questionable associations, but the media ignored it. Now, the Democratic party, as we knew it, no longer exists. The DNC ignored the will of the voters with it’s flawed rules and SEIZED the nomination for Obama and their own interests. This, therefore, is no longer about Hillary Clinton; it is about fraud, corruption, alienation and disenfranchisement of voters, and the loss of the sacred right to vote and to have that vote count. There must be legal channels available to us to investigate Obama, Axelrod, the DNC, and all party leaders involved. But in the meantime, the only way to put a stop to this is for all of us to vote for McCain in November, or in Obama lingo, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”! Obama flipflopped on campaign finance reform, because they now realize that they are NOT going to get financial contributions from Hillary supporters. If we all commit to donating even $1.00 per week to McCain, that would amount to millions of dollars over the next few months, another pie in the face of Obama! And one last note, anybody out there believe in karma??? First Kennedy, then Russert, now Dodd…who next? Scary, huh, Olberman??? Somebody, PLEASE, show me an honest politician!!!
The one thing Obama fears is that PUMAs will vote for McCain. I will vote for McCain.
Taylor has chosen to follow the corporate-media-suck-up route to fame and glory. She watched Markos and WKJM [who kidnapped josh marshall] do it, so she learned from the best corporate-media-suck-ups.
I still read Taylor’s site, although I just don’t agree with her on this issue. I could care less if people vote for John McCain. I hope they don’t vote for Barack Obama. Supporting teh Democratic party for me now is unimaginable. I simply can_not_do_it.
Still not voting for Barack Obama. Not now. Not Evah.
I agree with you Anna Ana Mus – there isn’t time enough to successfully start the thrid party: PUMA PAry, Popular Party, People’s Party, whatever. The only way to shut down this corrupt, crooked, lying excuse for a “party” of the DNP/Obamanation is to not let him get elected. So I will vote for McCain, whom is someone I have admired for his independent, centrist, moderate maverick spirit or a long while. I can’t think of a better mid-road candidate for the RNP than he, and I trust the guy. Hillary is are choice and she has everything it takes to be the best President this country has possibly ever seen, but it may not happen until 2012. However, I for one whould go bananas if McCain put her on the ticket. Can you imagine?!
Never Obama. Don’t trust the guy, don’t like him and sure has h@!## don’t like what the NONDemocratic party has pulled. They make the RNP look like Sunday school kids. UNbelievable!
McCain is my second choice and no way do I ever vote for the Precious. He and his backroom buddies scare the crap out of me. NOBAMA Never!
Obama was selected by the DNC for one purpose – to stop Hillary more specifically the Clintons. The dnc did not want the clintons running the party because the people currently running the party would be OUT.
If obama was not in the race all you would have had was bunch of white guys against a woman-advantage hillary because she would have had the african american and woman vote. With obama in the race he takes mostly all of hillary’s african american supporters and some woman voters (i read somewhere that obama scored high among women in focus groups before he announced). Do you think edwards, dodd, biden, richardson, or kinchich could have done that? Uh huh.
The reason why obama does not have any democratc or any princples for that matter is he does not need any. Whether obama wins or loses the general election does not matter to the dnc. The primary objective was achieved – the clintons have been stopped. IMHO, Obama only wanted the power over the dnc see moving the dnc headquarters, campaign financing. He and axelorod will rule the dnc like the delay’s have ruled chicago.
The one solace I can take in all this is I will not have been apart of this overthrowing of a political party.
I often read comments and posts wondering why the dnc and the democratic leadership (oxymoron see FISA, WAR IN IRAQ, congressional hearings no shows no penalty) would allow this to happen, would allow the democrats to lose in nov. The answer is pretty simple: the dnc objective was different from the democratic voter’s objective. We wanted to win an election; they wanted to keep their jobs.
I am glad i am an independent voting for mccain in november.
PUMA
Oblahblah will continue his race baiting canpaign.
“Every word will be twisted to make it about race,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a McCain friend and adviser. When he and others confront Obama on issues such as national security and the economy, Graham said, it will have “nothing to do with him being an African-American.”
Your whole post if right on. She fought really hard thinking the actual votes could make a difference.
Now Hillary stumps in UNITY NH with Obarfo this Friday…’nough to make me barf again.(I did when she suspended-really)
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More than half the National Socialists were ‘in’ on Krystalnacht.
70% of the people who voted in 1972 voted for Nixon but they must all be dead now ’cause you can’t find one with a geiger counter.
Being proud to be in the majority of a group whose collective head is shoved up its ass as far as yours, isn’t exactly going to look good when BO’s house of cards comes down, but by then, you and most of the rest of you revisionist historians will have been proud PUMAcrats from the start.
zeke, all those childish McGovern people are all grown up now and they have replaced the last bunch who refused socialism. In other words, they would be today’s Anti McGovern people. They have no intention of living in a society that decides to redistibute all they have worked for. Just so you know.
And the children of mcgovern were far greater in number, considering they were the baby boomers–which means they are a HUGE adult voting block today. Funny, with all those baby boomers swooning for him, he garnered 38% in the general. Kind of makes you wonder just how pissed off an electorate had to be at the left cliff fringe and the children, don’t you think?
Todays child replacements are mostly dependents sucking the blood out of their parents. SOme of them are pushing 30, actually. If they even show up to vote, if there isn’t a party that day, their parents’ generation outnumbers them.
Maybe obammerhoids fund-raising has dried up because now that the repubs have the candidate they wanted to run against, they no longer have to funnel money to his campaign.
YES IT WAS FIXED. People need only to look back at the loud chrous of Dem. leaders and Clinton backstabbers early in process urging Sen. Clinton to drop out of the race which started after one state voted..Iowa Every Clinton primary win always followed with a major endorsement for Obama and the cries for her to drop out of the race grew louder.
The reason…the longer Sen. Clinton stayed in race Dems, DNC, Nancy and harry’s nightmare would become reality. Sen. Clinton would end the primary with the popular vote forcing the so called super delegates (hand paid by Obama campagin) to over rule the will of th people.
And now they want us to untify, lol. And they have the nerve to call the Rep. corrupt, lol.
No one should every trust Democratic Party with your vote.
The party leaders will all Get Theirs when they wake up one morning and find out that Barky turned them all into nothing more than hood ornaments.
Thanks for all the incredible work that’s going on here and other sites. I’ve read some articles that I wish could be mandatory reading for the entire voting population. The links have been amazing today.
PUMA!
This is the reason why DNC honchos were urging or should I say putting pressure on Hillary to drop out since early in the primary. That way this corrupt process would be buried for all time. They were afraid Hillary would win the popular vote and pledged delegates thereby forcing the superdelegates to step in and usurp the will of the voters and steal the election in broad daylight, which is exactly what happened. The longer Hillary stayed in the race, the more likely the DNC’s fix of this primary would be exposed. I’m sure Hillary was aware what was occurring and that’s why she stayed till the end, in order for this corrupt process to be exposed for all to see.
With regards to Taylor Marsh, she disgusts me. She is nothing more than a democratic party hack with no principles. She has chosen party over country and over the integrity of democratic elections.
Bravo! You as well as a number of others in the past couple of weeks have stated the problem quite succinctly. I also think that this position evidences true Patriotism, and not just loyalty to Hillary Clinton, even though that is a big part of this.
Nevertheless, those on the other team will see us as racists or closet Republicans. Their loss. If they don’t see the truth now, they will learn the truth the hard way later.
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Very interesting blog, indeed. Though it took me considerably more time to go through the discussion, it was worth reading. Thank you.
-Ashley
Nice blog. Thanks for sharing.
-Toni