Ben Franklin is Rolling Over in his Grave
By PaganPower on June 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM in 4th Amendment, Barack Obama, Ben Franklin, FISA
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin
Words from one of the most enlightened and pragmatic of our forefathers mean nothing to Obama. He thinks that he knows better than this very wise man. After all, what good is a 4th Amendment if it gets in the way of positioning oneself politically to appeal to the right?
Keeping one’s word? That also means very little. Once you hoodwink the folks into believing you it’s time to move on. Screw em! Who else are they going to vote for? Certainly not that old man that will vote the exact same way.
And so it goes. On into perpetuity. There is no new politics of hope. It is just some fancy slogan that makes people believe and thus support you. It has exactly as much meaning as the phrase A Thousand Points of Light. A slogan that the elder Bush admitted meant absolutely nothing. A staffer wrote it and it sounded good. So they kept it and attempted to make it seem like it was a political strategy. A force to unite the country.
Move over Papa Bush. You don’t know who you are messing with here. Barack is the king of the Hoodwinkers. No doubt about that.
Here is how he justified his betrayal of our Constitution.
The bill has changed. So I don’t think the security threats have changed, I think the security threats are similar. My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people.
Go ahead an watch him say it yourself. If you have a strong stomach that is. I thought that shit was supposed to come out of one’s ass.
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So instead you’re going to vote McCain? LOL.
McCain before O’Same.
Obama’s FISA betrayal is a bitter disappointment and a blatant political compromise. McCain is an enthusiastic, Bush-era authoritarian who is entirely in favor of all Bush’s police state surveillance, imprisonment and torture philosophies. Don’t any of you dare whisper a word of criticism of Obama on these civil right terms if you intend to cast a vote for that fascist scumbag McCain. You insult the Constitution with such breathtaking hypocrisy.
You are deliberately distorting facts. I will even take Bush over Obama. Obama is an unqualified, hypocritical, lying, lazy scumbag.
Which facts am I distorting? Tell me. You’d take Bush over Obama? That is because you don’t know anything substantial about real world policies and politics and simply derive a sense of personal meaning and purpose from hating Obama for irrational reasons which leads you to deeply irrational positions such as preferring the worst president in U.S. history to a centrist, mainstream Democrat. I know, I know, Obama is the worst human being ever to walk the face of the Earth since Adolph Hitler, because he attended Rev. Wright’s church, associated with a scuzzy land developer and brushed his face with his middle finger. LOL. This is entertaining stuff, but it is not all that rooted in reality.
BTW, two of the four insult words you use against Obama in your post came directly from my post to which you were directly responding. That’s called being a low-information sheep. Congrats.
We do support the centrist Democrat. Her name is Clinton. We don’t want to vote for McCain. You have left us no choice.
EXACTLY! Well said!
Ditto
Exactly.
Great, GREAT stuff here. A good description of the FISA “compromise,” and an illuminating discourse on what a hypocrite Olbermann has become on the issue. Best of all, a royal skewering of “candidate worship” as practiced by KO and an obviously braindead Jon Alter.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/26/olbermann/
Whatever I would take bush over obama…you know the devil you know thing…so stuff it
What facts are you distorting? Do you really think grown people in this thread have the time to educate you? And heck – who cares? You’re just an Axelrod shill.
How much is he paying you, boy?
How often?
you are completely out of it.
Obama = Bush III
McCain = a man who remembers how his country saved him.
I would hardly consider McCain anything other than a true American Hero.
A Patriot who is a moderate independent Republican who has been correct on the Iraq war and the war on terrorism. McCain is the type of leader who will put country before party and bring back patriotic pride to this country.
You on the other hand share an Anti-American radical socialism which views defeat in Iraq and depression at home as desirable to enable your goals of a Fascist socialist revolution in this country.
Don’t be calling my next Commander in Chief a scumbag.
You are an anti-American scum just like your messiah
lol. You think McCain will be the next CIC? Highly doubtful. Obama is now leading handily in Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin, according to Quinnipac today.
As for McCain being a “moderate” who is “right on the war on terror:” do you know anything whatsoever about the Patriot Act, FISA, the 4th and 14th amendment, habeus corpus, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the TIA program? Anything? Anything at all? Or are you really as dumb and know-nothing as you sound? I will admit, you do sound like someone who votes Republican. Ah well, at least there are fewer of you every electoral cycle.
i don’t care about your polls at this point
We are FDR/Reagan/Clinton McCain Democrats who have the final say on who becomes President.
Every election has required this voting block to win.
You have lost most of that vote.
Obama is a security risk to the United States
Say goodbye to your little communist dream
Right ON! (chuckle)
I am enjoying being an Independent again.
I’m no one’s Democrat anymore!
Know what I’ve noticed? That it’s very safe to ignore any post that uses “LOL.” It’s like a big neon sign which reads “I’m a child and I don’t know shit about anything, and I have nothing substantial to say, so I’ll just trash you instead. And now I’ll add something which means Laughing Out Loud, for no reason at all.”
So right. It’s a sure tip-off that one of Obama’s “gosh, he’s so cool” kids is in the house. Life to them is one big text message–lol.
If you actually believed your own hubris, you wouldn’t be here trying to change our minds.
Both you and Obama understand that there is something significant happening in this election, and try as you may you cannot control it or us. Get over it.
I’m here trying to change minds because every one of the millions of people who support and will work for Barack Obama must do their tiny little part. Right at this very minute, my part is making the simple point to NQ people that Obama is not the antichrist and McCain is a hardcore, anti-constitutional Republican. Maybe I’ll convince one of you to vote differently. Maybe not. Whatever. It’s been entertaining regardless.
I think you’re convincing us to vote for McCain. And if you and the media keep it up you might even convince us to vote Repubs down ticket, also. I suggest you shut up and go away, give us some room and space to make up our minds. Our vote may be the only thing we own this election and I don’t have to please you or anyone else.
And I am straight Dem, not Reagan anything, could not and cannot stand Reagan, Bush Sr. or Jr.
You insult our intelligence and our knowledge. Most of us have done lots of research. We know all about McCain. I don’t like him, either, but I won’t support a Democrat who I think is really a Republican, who has no policies, who will do nothing about the problems our country faces, the economy being the main one. I haven’t heard any solutions or plans from him. And he ran a disgusting lying race baiting campaign.
So my vote, and many others, is a protest vote, for many reasons, the main one that Obama did not win the nomination, is not legitimate candidate, and that is the only way to tell Democratic Party that is not acceptable.
What is with the LOL with evey post moron?
Have you seen the Gallup today? Nobama is sliding daily. The bounce is gone.
We knew what we are getting with Mccain and Hillary.
The whole point of the thread is that nobody knows what your nobama will do next.
Can you really make sense of the crap that was coming out of his mouth?
The bill has changed. So I don’t think the security threats have changed, I think the security threats are similar. My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people.
How come you turds are always ready to pounce and try to disrupt a thread? Do you work in shifts there at axlerod’s sweatshop. Like monkey’s chained to keayboards?
The LOL is most likely at your outlandish display of idiocy.
I dont want to hear a peep out of you bitches if McCain takes office and continues bush’s fifth reich!
I know you will be blabbering on and on about the probable war in Iran,about your grandadughters not being able to control their bodies, about your healthcare, about your gas prices, but if you vote for the scum, you dserve every minute of your 4 years of hell.
And that idiot clinton wont run again- she TOAST- DONE. She had her shot, she messed it up.
well aren’t you full of intelligence. isn’t it time for you to go to bed, get tucked in and be told a story?
You DO realize that this is BO’s only shot don’t you? Losing and getting the nomination a second time is unlikely, to say the least.
Here’s the deal — if you want to convince people to not vote for McCain you can start by not sounding so hysterical. Second, it would be helpful if you could make a positive claim for BO. I know he flip-flops daily so its hard to get a handle on what his position is minute-to-minute, but you should at least try.
The trolls can NOT make a case for Obama — because they have no idea what Obama’s positions are on any subject.
At the caucus we had one minute to speak FOR our Candidate — EVERYONE speaking FOR Clinton spoke on the issues and Clinton’s positions which have been rock solid and logical from the beginning. There as so MUCH to say FOR Clinton that we couldn’t cover all the high points.
The BOBO side could not name even one of BOBO’s positions on ANYTHING — nothing. The BOBO side spent their one minute bashing Hillary Clinton and LYING about her positions — because the BOBO side did not have a single clue what BOBO stand for.
The BOBO trolls have not changed — they still have no idea what BOBO stands for — because BOBO flip flops on issues — time after time after time.
The BOBO trolls still come and bash Clinton or McCain — but they cannot tell us that BOBO will stand up for the people of the US or that BOBO will keep us safe — or that BOBO will fight for universal health care.
BOBO gives us no promises — just that we are supposed to “believe”.
Well I have heard the “believe” crap before — believe and when you die you will be rewarded.
I remember realizing that the religious ding dong line of “believe” in the hear after for your reward was BS.
BOBO’s believe line is also BS!!
Hilter’s idealized world of the future was also BS.
All we have is the here and now — and we can look at the past performance of the politicians — BOBO is full of crap — he has done NOTHING for the voters — he has not stood up and fought for Americans — he has not made anyone’s life better (except his own life and those of his political buddies.)
Trolls — what exactly has Obama done for Americans? How exactly has he made our lives better, safer??? Give us examples. Give us proof.
…ahhh, more fear-mongering from the Obamabots.
Just like GWB himself.
“McSame will keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years!”
“Roe vs. Wade will be overturned!”
Blah, blah, blah……
Don’t you saps EVER get tired of being lying scum?
“You turds?” That’s what you call me after all the long, reasonable posts I’ve made here? And you complain about the tone of Obama’s supporters? Nice.
Thought you were leaving?
Still no answer to Obama’s immoral behavior and bad judgment?
You want to argue, but you’ll never be right because you cannot defend the indefensible Obama.
Start with an easy one, why stay for 2o years at the hate-spewing Rev Wright church, call him your spiritual mentor and then say uhh, uhh I didn’t know he said those things.
We’re listening….do you condone or dismiss it?
handily in CO and MI? LOL don’t think so the spread is 4 points. Do you know anything about Colorado? And do you really believe that when Michiganders fully understand what obama did by refusing them to revote and what the DNC did by stealing their votes and will that they will vote for obama? LOL your ignorant.
Don’t worry.
I’m from Michigan, and believe me – Detroit is Obama’s ONLY “hope.”
Please give me a tangible reason to believe that Obama is any different than McCain. Over the past two days he has capitulated on Progressive stands that are at the core of Democrat ideals.
He caved to the right on FISA. When some of his fellow Democrats were taking a stand for our liberties, he was MIA. Great leadership!
He criticized a Progressive decision handed down by the SCOTUS yesterday, on the Death Penalty.
And today, he sided with a Conservative decision on handguns by the SCOTUS.
NOTHING I have seen by Obama leads me to believe that he would not cave to the right as President.
Ironically, two of the remaining liberals on the SCOTUS were appointed by Republican Presidents.
I further find it ironic that the very things the Obama supporters accused Clinton of doing, without supporting evidence, during the primarys they now excuse Obama for doing, claiming that, “Who cares what he does, it’s only politics. The important thing is that he gets elected President.”
I guess Hypocrisy knows no party!
oh yea, and how is that FISA reversal working out for you? Or the blank check in Iraq?
you are the one who knows nothing if you have to spew that here, so grow up.
McCain loves his country. Obama loves himself. He is a foolish, foolish man, and I do vote for fools as presidents.
deal with it. deal with millions of us in exactly those states you list in your “poll”, and then some.
FAUX outrage noted and discarded, just like the rest of the low information obama trash trolls.
The Obama follower in its breathtaking hyperbole. Obama is the epitome of corruption and flip flops (lying). He cares not a whit about any issues – he wants the title of President of the United States. He said in his statement last Friday that he would work to get immunity out of the FISA bill and now states that the telephone companies per se is not one that overrides. Give me a break. This guy is an empty suit who can’t keep is facts straight for two reasons: first, he lies so much, he can’t keep his stories in line with each other and two, he has no experience and his way over his head.
No, McCain NEVER flip-flops. He is a true american hero and patriot.
HAHAHA.
You missed the point. I am assuming by your writing you are very young. But even you must understand the difference between changing a position to remain effective on an issue and blatantly not having conviction, a command of facts or the ability to articulate your own policies or positions.
See how quickly the Obamabots have been forced to abandon “Obama is a different kind of politician” in favor of “Well, all politicians do what he did its no big deal?” I wonder if they got wiplash.
More likely, they have no problem with their new position and acceptance of Obama as the corrupt, unprincipled hack we spent months telling them he was. Because cultists NEVER see the faults in their Dear Leaders, do they?
McCain is a true american hero and a patriot. thanks for recognizing that is why many of us could never vote for Obama.
Rendell On Bill Clinton’s Alleged Hard Feelings Towards Obama: “Get Over It,” “Shake It Off”
When you write an item about leading Hillary supporter Ed Rendell, you are required to describe him as “blunt.” And here is Rendell again, being, well, blunt about Bill Clinton’s alleged hard feelings towards Obama…Bill has to “get over it,” and “shake it off,” Rendell says. Did someone say he’s blunt?
Ben Smith noted yesterday that Obama’s campaign has harmed Bill in some ways, because Obama has run an implicit campaign against his presidency. That said, who the heck knows if Bill is really “miffed” with Obama, as everyone keeps saying; the original report that got this going is based only on the word of an anonymous Democrat who supposedly spoke to Bill.
I don’t know if Bill is “miffed” or not. He very well may be, and if he is in fact “miffed,” Rendell is right; he should get over it. Either way, it has now become true that Bill is “miffed,” and there will be no changing that, ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5E0cRfhWU
Stupid obamabot,
Rendell is an old friend of Bill’s and he can say what he wants. In the DLC, if you are aware of what that is, they don’t blindly follow the leader, they work as equal citizens. They have disagreements but they don’t call people racist as soon as there is disagreement. Unlike the Tammany hall politics of nobama camp. Look up Tammany Hall if you don’t know what that is.
remember Rendell is the one that leaked Nobama’s comment about “send the checks, we don’t need people”. So don’t go believing that rendell himself is going to work too hard for nobama.
Lastly why do you guys need Bill? He thinks this nobama crap is a “fairy tale” anyway.
And now of course you will call me racist, too.
I mean “fairy tale” can conceivably be distorted to mean that the Big Dawg called nobie a gay person, how it can be distorted to be racist is beyond me.
He insulted his wife and called them both racists. If Ed Rendell were blunt and that had happened to him, he’d have at least put Obama through a wall. Politicians will say the dumbest shit when their jobs are on the line.
Please quote obama calling any of them racists.
Didnt think so, idiot.
I don’t know who you’re talking to but his campaign sure did accuse Bill Clinton of being racist with the fairy tale comment. Where have you been?
She’s been up Obama’s ass. She should crawl back in.
BO’s campaign (which I would think is controlled by BO) said Clinton was racist for saying that BO’s positon on Iraq was a ‘fairy tale’.
BO’s campaign (hopefully run by BO) said Clinton was a racist for comparing BO’s win in SC to Jesse Jackson’s win in the same primary in 1988.
Moving on from racism to insinuating your opponent wishes you dead…BO’s campaign
(presumably controlled by BO) pushed a story that HRC’s comment about the primary season stretching into June in the past, such as in ‘68 when Robert Kennedy ran, meant she was bringing the spector of assassination into the campaign.
Tears for Katrina…oh google it, I’m tired of doing your homework for you.
For the record, Bill Clinton’s comparison of Obama’s win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s earlier wins in that state was, without question, an attempt to minimize the perceived importance of Obama’s victory by defining it as a purely racially based victory by a black man who couldn’t win elsewhere, as Jackson had pretty much been. You can deny that this was a “racist” statement — I’m a big fan of Bill Clinton and I don’t personally believe he is racist, even for a second — but it was certainly an attempt to use racial categorization to knock down a political opponent. It was a low blow, and it hurt HRC’s campaign badly in the days after South Carolina, and Obama’s campaign had every right to call them on it, just as HRC’s campaign (and, ahem, her followers) have every right to yell about the sexist comments that have been thrown at her over the course of the campaign.
Then why did the Obama camp have written proof of their own strategy to misconstrue that statement and others as racially motivated?
Bill Clinton has done more for the AA community than Obama ever has or likely ever will.
And what Pres Clinton said was a fact, you added the racial implication. Had he said Jesse Jackson won here also because everyone here is black, it would be a different story.
Another fact that remains is that the AA community voted for Obama at over 90%- that IS racially motivated. Is it racist to say so?
And more relevant and current, your boy is now calling fictional people racist, warning voters that the GOP will likely say he’s black. Thoughts on that race baiting???
What Clinton said was true– Jackson won SC and didn’t win the nomination. But if that was really the point Bill was trying to make, why didn’t he refer to the more current example, John Edwards?
Because that wasn’t the only point he was trying to make. Bill Clinton is incredibly smart. He knew exactly what implications citing Jackson instead of Edwards would have.
Willie Brown said the exact same thing Bill said, exactly, on tv MSNBC live, but no one said a thing. and Bill said it before the frakkin votes were counted, so it wasnt diminishing a win, moron
you are repeating a lie
another reason why millions of us will never pull the lever for Uhhhbama
For the record, Jesse Jackson made that comparison himself first while he made insulting comments about Hillary’s display of strong emotion before the NH primary. He also claimed the Clintons were unmoved by Katrina which is a lie. WaPo reported on the response organized by the Clintons.
Why didn’t Obama think anything of Jesse Jackson comparing Obama’s run to his own?
Why didn’t Obama correct Jesse Jackson’s insulting remarks about Hilary’s tears or clear up the lie that the Clintons did nothing for the victims of Hurricane Katrina?
yup……equally insulting IF sexism matters to one.
obviously, it doesn’t.
Of course, he’s pissed off.
And it’s gonna be chilly up on that stage with Bill Clinton for the rest of Obama’s natural life.
He bought that one. He earned it. He can own it.
Clinton flick off……coming his way.
Why should Bill get over it Barbara? He doesn’t own anything to obama or the Democratic Party in fact the Democratic Party owed a lot to Bill he was after all the only 2 term Democratic President since FDR and he has helped MANY become elected and they allowed this fraud to talk shit and turn him and Hillary into racists? He doesn’t have to get over anything, and in fact Rendell said also he was only on message “today” but that could change.
Hillary or McCain 08!
Since when is McCain authoritarian compared to Obama and his bought media? You wouldn’t be here unless you thought everyone should bow to Barky.
And what if we do? What if we Vote for McCain and utter words against your Mack Daddy? What are you going to do when he loses? cry in your Choco-latte-moca mix?
Give it a fuckin rest already. Your attempts at fear tactics are as lame as Obama’s excuses.
Obama lied! He never intended to vote for the FISA bill and he fully intends to fuck over this country.
Pretty harsh words for a guy who was on John Kerry’s shortlist for Vice-President, until McCain said no.
McCain’s an American hero and BHO is a terrorist friend and supporter.
My donations and votes go to the guy who served his country, not the guy who should be serving time.
Nope, wrong sf.
Instead they are going to vote AGAINST 0bie!
Yes, I am.
I know I will! LOL!!!
From what we know of Ben Franklin he would be leading the fight against Obama using all his eloquent vocabulary and his store of expletives and churning out handbills as fast as his printing press could print them.
And he wouldn’t be taking any of this BS from the Obamas either.
January 17 birthday here! I love Ben Franklin.
Obama Picketed in Miami While Senator Obama worked a warm audience at the U.S. Conference of Mayors in Miami this week-end, protesting Bush and Mc Cain’s tax-cuts for the wealthy and promising billions in federal hand-outs, a small group of Cuban-Americans stood outside the Intercontinental protesting Obama himself.
More specifically, they protested some of Obama’s top advisors: Gregory Craig, who serves as Obama’s chief advisor on Latin America, and Erich Holder, who heads Obama’s vice-presidential selection team. Both of these gentlemen had key roles in legally perfuming the shanghaiing of Elian Gonzalez. At the time, Craig served as lawyer for Elain’s father, (i.e Fidel Castro), and Holder served as Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno.
“That was eight years ago, Obama responded when plans for the Cuban-American protest were announced last week. Obviously it was a wrenching situation for the families, but I’m running for president in 2008 and my focus is: how do we create a Cuba policy that will create political freedom on that island and allow the people who live there to prosper?”
Florida holds 27 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. New Jersey holds 15 electoral votes, and the largest Cuban-American community after Florida. So 16 percent of the 270 electoral votes could depend on a candidates’ professed policy towards Stalinist Cuba. Obama knows this and plans to woo a few of these these overwhelmingly Republican voters. Well, he’s got his work cut out for himself.
My fear is that those who collaborated with the Cuba’s communist government and made a great mistake with a defenseless child, said Elian’s Miami uncle, Delfin Gonzalez, will make the same mistake again against this nation that is facing danger from terrorism.
In fact, outside of Florida and New Jersey, the Elian Gonzalez issue should not discomfit the Obama campaign in the slightest. Polls from the time show that 70 percent of the American public fell for the Castro/Clinton/Craig media ruse, and favored the boys return to Stalinist Cuba.
Dan Rather had a major role in this ruse. On April 16, 2000 his 60 Minutes segment featured an interview with Elian’s father, Juan Miguel. America saw an innocent, bewildered and heartsick father simply pleading to be allowed to have his motherless son accompany him back to Cuba, his cherished homeland. How could anyone oppose this? How could simple decency and common sense possibly allow for anything else?
“Did you cry?” the pained and frowning Dan Rather asked the “bereaved” father during the 60 Minutes drama.”A father never runs out of tears,” Juan (actually, the voice of Juan’s drama school-trained translator) sniffled back to Dan. And the 60 Minutes prime-time audience could hardly contain their own sniffles.
Here’s what America didn’t see: “Juan Miguel Gonzalez was surrounded by Castro security agents the entire time he was in the studio with Rather.” This is an eye-witness account from Pedro Porro, who served as Dan Rather’s translator during the famous interview. Dan Rather would ask the question in English into Porro’s earpiece whereupon Porro would translate it into Spanish for Elian’s heavily-guarded father.
“Juan Miguel was never completely alone,” says Porro. “He never smiled. His eyes kept shifting back and forth. It was obvious to me that he was under heavy coercion. I probably should have walked out. But I’d been hired by CBS in good faith and I didn’t know exactly how the interview would be edited how it would come across on the screen.
“The questions Dan Rather was asking Elian’s father during that 60 Minutes interview were being handed to him by attorney Gregory Craig,” continues Pedro Porro. It was obvious that Craig and Rather where on very friendly terms. They were joshing and bantering back and forth, as Juan Miguel sat there petrified. Craig was stage managing the whole thing almost like a movie director. The taping would stop and he’d walk over to Dan, hand him a little slip of paper, say something into his ear. Then Rather would read the next question into my earpiece straight from the paper.”
Midway through watching that 60 Minutes broadcast, I felt like throwing up,” said Porro. “My stomach was in a knot.” His worst fears were confirmed.
But the Craig/Rather 60 Minutes soap opera was a major national hit. As polls showed, America ate it up. Craig, after all, had come to Castro highly recommended (by Clinton). And he performed magnificently, employing a major media outlet as aides, props and publicists for Castro’s case. Fidel Castro, of course, is an old pro at this.
Amongst those who fell prey to Castroite chicanery were Tony Snow and Mark Steyn, amazingly enough. The latter sneering at that crazy Miami crowd a lawless Hispanic mob trashing Miami. Elian’s doting cousin, Marisleysis may have the cutest butt on network TV, wrote Steyn, but most of us dearly wish some FBI sharpshooter would fire a tranquilizer dart into it.
These commentators, however bright and articulate in most matters, are innocent of life under Stalinism and without the benefit of the revelations that come from frequent contact with those cursed by fate to have suffered such. So we shouldn’t judge them too harshly here. If Steyn’s current predicament in Canadian courts saw him deprived of defense counsel and menaced by decades in torture chambers or death by firing squad he’d have a much better appreciation of that crazy Miami crowd’s motivation, I can assure you.
He and Snow simply could not fathom what was going on behind the scenes, To them the Elian matter came across as a simple custody dispute over a motherless boy, with some tacky and blockheaded Miami cousins on one side, and a bewildered and sincerely bereaved Cuban father on the other. Steyn and Snow’s hearts were in the right place, but their normally discerning heads were elsewhere, diverted by the Castro/Craig soap opera.
Upon initially accepting the case, Gregory Craig had flown to Cuba for a meeting with Fidel Castro. To effectively stage-manage the boy’s shanghaiing, Craig explained to Castro, her needed Juan Miguel in the U.S.. But according to most accounts Castro balked. No plantation-owner likes his slaves traveling (unescorted) outside his plantation. Plus, Castro was no doubt privy to Juan Miguel’s early communications with his Miami cousins , thanking them and saying he’d be soon make his own escape and join Elian.
So it took a little doing , but Craig finally prevailed. That Juan Miguel, though visiting a free country, would be constantly accompanied by Castro’s conscientious escorts (as witnessed by Pedro Porro) was undoubtedly the gist of the deal with Craig,
So in effect, the man who currently serves as Obama’s top advisor on Latin American agreed to function as a fully-deputized agent for a Stalinist regime’s KGB-trained secret police.
The people protesting in Miami know that such an appointment is not a promising start in–as Obama himself put it– creating a Cuban policy that will create political freedom on that island. Save your campaign money and breath Mr Obama. Forget these voters.
WTF? Troll.
I guess you just get joy out of cut an paste a lot of irrelevant stuff in this thread.
troll violating copyright law
sigh, Axelrasputin needs a better training manual for the Hamas trollzzz
Thanks, Barbara.
Hopefully the Cubans will stand their political ground and Obama will lose that 16%.
BO now throws 4th Amendment under the bus.
I can’t watch him just like I couldn’t watch Bush for the last 8 years, I get the same sick feeling every time I see that smug “Screw them’ look on his face. That ‘hope and change’ schtick of his would have never played if this country wasn’t hanging on a cliff and people weren’t so desperate. In 1933 Germany the same thing, the monetary system was collapsing,no jobs, high prices, etc and along comes the message of change for Germany. The masses listened to the propaganda and the ones that resisted were threatened, spied on,ridiculed and eventually forced out. The money people behind this narcissistic punk may not want to go to war with the world and kill Jews but they definitely want to cosnolidate their billions enough to buy the United States governemnt. Remember staging a coup in a democracy is possible, it takes money, lots of it, to buy the media and most importantly to establish credibility for the candidate.
Thanks Barbara.
I’m on the left coast, so Cuban issues aren’t so well understood given all the rest of the West’s headlines.
Support Feingold on FISA. Hopefully the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional. However anyone claiming to backing McWar over Obama on this is beyond stupid, never mind contempt.
Ditto. Obama really did throw the 4th amendment under the bus, as one of our dear PUMA friends just said. Feingold is our hero this week.
But…McCain? Get real. If you vote for McCain, you’re a Republican fascist, period. A McCain administration means the enshrining of every anti-democratic, one-party, Big Brother trend that Bush has pursued in this decade, and everyone except for zero-information voters knows this. Let us be clear: if you vote for McCain, you are voting to end American democracy as we know it.
You really think that there is any difference in the Parties? Get real. FISA, war funding until 7/2009, disenfranchisement of voters, stealing votes, and sexism and misogyny rampant. The Democrats have been in control since 1/2007 and have done nothing to end the war in Iraq, protect our Constitution and Civil Liberties and have been a Bush enabler even though he has the lowest poll ratings of any President and is a lame duck to boot.
Obama was selected by the Dem power elite. He is an empty suit who the Dem elites believe they can control to fleece more Americans. Look at Dorgan and Dodd over Countrywide. Same old corruption, different Party. No difference between the two.
BECAUSE BUSH VETOES EVERY BILL! You cant get shit done with a president who vetoes everything.
Bush doesn’t need to veto anything. The Democrats roll-over and show their belly every time he looks at them. They are weak.
Bush barely vetoes anything you nitwit.
The DNC already destroyed democracy. That makes McCain the lesser of two evils at this point.
You are so partisan, like all republicans should be gassed…wake the f*ck up we are a democracy we respect differences You do not assh*le
I know
I am so embarrassed by my X Party!!!
They have turned into SPINELESS despicable hypocrites!!
John Mc may be a tortured soul and maybe even more HAWK than I would care to have in office but he’s far more honest & moderate than Obama.
with a dem majority congress and senate
I’m not real worried if Mc Cain wins.
I will totally worry if the ObamaCONS/BOTs/philes and freaks get behind the wheel!
They’re NOT GOOD Americans
they represent everything that is NOT good about America
and that is allowed but NOT if you want to be CIC
You MUST be a pristine example of everything WONDERFUL about this country
not a dirty little secret with dirty little lies about your dirty life as a hater! I see NOTHING decent or good about your 20 yr relationship with TUCC. THAT was the final straw for me. Those that cheered and danced at the thought of such vile Preachings are just as dirty. I don’t want them anywhere NEAR my COUNTRY LEADERSHIP!
That’s shit for JONESTOWN dudes.
Keep it off my shores! Freaks.
and I know GW was anything BUT pristine!
I WANT BETTER!!!
Sorry to break it to you Dawnelle, but the Dems in congress right now, were always spineless cowards!
Hey Dragon
I hate to say ALL of them.
but probably most of them
including the republicans
it’s just a job to them, that’s all
Listen moron,
when you were figuring out that there are other uses to the thumb than sucking it, we were voting for LBJ and yes, even carter.
You are not democrat, not republican, you are just a punk that is high on crack. You don’t get it that we don’t all wave our red flags and do what the party pigs tell us. Go read Animal Farm by George Orwell.
We will vote for Hillary, and if we can’t we will vote McCain, becuae they are good, qualifies candidates. We will not vote for some chicago crook, because Bush did a bunch of bad things.
dude, watch your tone. It isn’t warranted in my case, or frankly, in anyone’s case. You’re buying into the hate-fueled brand of politics that America is ready to move beyond, which is one of the many reasons that Obama is going to win this fall.
And if you’re so sure he’s gonna win then beat it.
There is plenty of fuel left for Obama’s hate filled rant against those Democrats who CHOOSE not to vote for him. And the only thing America is ready to move beyond is getting rid of all those politicians who steal our elections; like seizing votes from other candidates and giving them to Obama. THAT we’re more than ready to “move beyond” and leave behind.
Somehow the Republicans aren’t the ones acting like fascists in this election. I refuse to reward Dems with my vote. McCain is the better candidate this year. The Dems could have won, if they’d nominated Hillary. She is closer to McCain in terms of judgment and experience.
Glenn Greenwald on Obama’s shredding of the Constitu and Olbermann’s hypocritical position:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/26/olbermann/index.html
” can’t watch him just like I couldn’t watch Bush for the last 8 years, I get the same sick feeling every time I see that smug “Screw them’ look on his face” from cathnealon today.
I totally agree.
I watched him. I am not sure what he said.
He started out with “Ah, ah, ah”.
He said the security threats are similar to what they were in January when he said he would lead a filibuster against the bill, but the bill had changed. He did not say how the bill changed.
He also said his vote was “a close call for me”, but he didn’t explain the rationale for his vote except some vague comments about national security.
So Obama did not really explain his vote. Likewise, the Obama supporters are not explaining how Obama’s vote adds up any differently than McCain’s vote.
At least, we have a pretty good idea where McCain is coming from (ie, a prisoner of war camp and several generations of Navy admirals). We don’t have any idea where Obama is coming from or where he is going. We’re not even sure where he was born.
I totally agree with you. I have loathed Bush from the get-go as I thought his presidency was illegitimate in that he was never qualified to run, but was a favorite son, and because the fix was in to make him the president. I continue to be physically ill when I watch him, and I am feeling the same way about Obama. There is something about someone trying to BS their way through every situation with either Texas-style charm or Ivy league-style superiority that just turns my stomach. I am a good judge of character, and Obama is a compete poser.
In general, I think that Obama followers lack a curious mind, a logical way of thinking, an independent spirit, and a built-in bullshit detector.
I’m an Obama follower and I have all those things, in abundance. I have far more knowledge of, and experience with politics and social and foreign policy issues than you. I will tackle any issue you wish to raise. Try me. Your assertions about Obama supporters are laughable. Whenever you’re confronted with one you all fold like a deck of cards and pretend he isn’t in the room.
Let’s start by just being blunt: you cannot vote for McCain and claim to support any of Hillary Clinton’s policy positions. None of them. Not one.
Just for you YES WE CAN vote for McCain
You can vote for McCain, but you cannot do so and also claim to support HRC’s principles.
YES YOU CAN. Obama does not share Hillary’s principles on trade, economics, women’s rights, the war, immigration, gay rights… I’m sure I’m missing a few. We’ve been paying attention.
You’re crazy. Read their websites. Their positions on all these things are virtually identical, and diametrically opposed to McCain’s.
We’re not talking about their websites, but for the record their policies as stated on their websites are different. Hillary had a detailed plan for withdrawal from Iraq and endorsements from 30 high-ranking military personnel. Obama called her “Bush-Cheney Lite” and wrongly explained her vote for the iraq resolution as a vote to go to war. He understands little about foreign policy, if that is the case. He attacked her UHC plan as “socialized medicine.” His own plan is not only a failure but a betrayal of the American public. His talk of NAFTA was double-talk. He has sold out women on their rights throughout his career. The list goes on and on.
Yes we can! And Yes we will!!! Si se puede!
Because we care more about our country than any personality or false promise of any kind.
Don’t forget this is politics, sweetie. We will have a democratic house and senate with mandates from the people. If they do their job, we will be fine with mcCain. YOu know, just politics.
I’ll name ONE: PRINCIPLES!
“Whenever you’re confronted with one you all fold like a deck of cards and pretend he isn’t in the room.”
First are the outrageous ad hominem attacks.
Well, that line wasn’t all that outrageous, nor, strictly speaking, was it an ad hominem, but it was a lame generalization which a number of people here instantly disproved, so I retract it and apologize for it. I was wrong.
No, your line was fine– that definitely happens. But often any arguments for supporting Obama will get you sworn at.
And you cannot vote for Obama and support his lack of experience, his poor judgment, his radical, Anti American associates and sentiments, his arrogancy, his dangerous foreign policy, and claim to support Hillary or America for that matter.
If you are arguing policy, you cheated the country out of the candidate that had by far the best command of the issues and the knowledge, determination and tenacity to work for her policies.
You are holding up a candidate that has very little grasp of his own policies and has even less ability to communicate what they are effectively.And worse, has shown no penchant to work hard or take a stand for anyone but himself.
Most of what you’ve said here is assertion, not fact. If you’re going to tar Obama with the “associates” brush, then you must be responsible for everyone that HRC or McCain has “associated” with over the years, and trust me, their lists are just as long and just as embarrassing, if nor moreso.
And I didn’t “cheat” the country out of anything; I VOTED FOR HILLARY. I just respect Obama as well and am not so deluded that I consider his primary victory some sort of criminal act. Obama ran a better campaign and had a better plan for amassing more pledged delegates (mostly because he planned for the caucuses and for the post-Super Tuesday states, all of which HRC ignored until the last minute), and his superior campaign (and vastly superior fundraising) eventually convinced a majority of super-delegates to support him too. It was a very close race between two very skilled and compelling candidates, and he won.
This belief here that he stole the race and that everyone conspired against HRC because of sexism or whatever is just weird. And your assertions about Obama’s laziness, incompetence, etc., are pretty amply disproved by his planning, leadership and execution of what most political professionals firmly believe has been one of th emost skillful campaigns in the history of modern American politics.
His decades long relationships with Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Dorhn, Odinga and others are not a paint by numbers task, sweetie.
Do some research.
Not only are these relationships well established, but he LIED about each one, and you believe the lies. That’s delusion.
Once more, slowly…HE LIED about them and they were DECADES long..not the same as investigating everyone McCain or Clinton has met.
You seem to come from the school of thought that pretty words make pretty substance , they do not.
Lose the mimicking, talking points and wake up.
His hands are dirty, he had a longtime relationship with Rezko the convicted felon, of which we will soon know even more about.
And if you believe that the DNC had no part in selecting Obama, then you are devoid of reason.
The RBC blatantly broke their own party’s rules Look that one up, too. There is an abundance of information on it.
While your doing your homework, look up money laundering, stacking boards, illegal contributions, kickbacks, shady property deals,and voter suppression in relation to your candidate.
Once again, instead of insulting McCain and/or Hillary supporters answer why you think it’s acceptable for your candidate to behave as immorally as he has.
If the DNC “chose” Obama, then why did HRC begin the primaries with over 100 superdelegate endorsements, while Obama began the primaries with zero?
Blo hard!
Would you just go the fuck way? “Obama ran the better campaign.” If we were voting for Panamanian dictators maybe.
Well, I have to leave in a little while, so yes, I will soon be going the fuck away. But it has been a pleasure debating with at least some of you.
Yes, Hope, Obama ran a better campaign. You in PUMA-land obviously don’t think so, but in the reality-based professional world, it is widely understood that he ran not just the better campaign, but the best campaign certainly since Bill Clinton in ‘92 and maybe since Reagan in the 80s.
Well, too bad there are no caucuses or special delegate allocations in the general. Obama will have to play those old politics and win those votes one by one.
Here’s one he’s lost.And a full vote, at that, lol.
Wait, maybe he’ll take his name off the ballot and the Supreme court will give him McCain’s votes because those people might have wanted to vote for Obama.
Oh, and bye-bye sfuhillary.
Bye. It’s been a pleasure.
ORLY, because I don’t remember Reagan or Clinton having to accept delegates from people who never voted for them or exclude two states from voting or cheat at caucuses (which I provided links for, btw.) Ta ta!
Sorry pal, I’m not voting for McSame but neither am I voting for Barkey, the lil’ dog who wouldn’t bark in the night…you know..your Sherlock Holmes.
And given Barkey’s established track record:
Suppressing the vote in IL.
Part of the Rezko, IL machine.
Misses 30% of all his votes.
Lies continutously and for no reason, see his ‘Uncle Vanya’ rescuing the holocaust victims at Auschwitz fairy tale.
His homophobia….
His sexism…
Suppressing the vote in the Primary.
I see nothing in this list that says Barkey might not be worse than McSame. How did their votes on the FISA compromise differ?
Really? The same? Hmmmmmmmm…..
Why is Douglas Kmiec flying around in Barkey’s private jet?
I mean what the fuck do you know about Barkey? Are you his cousin? His rent boy?
Obamacans such as yourself might be shocked to learn that mostly folks like yourself know practically nothing but think that, like their messiah, that they are….
All powerful.
Go ahead run your mouth. I believe Mark Twain was speaking about you when he said:
His homophobia (most of the time it turns out the one who screams the loudest is gay) Larry Craig
Obama follower (I noticed that you stated that was what you are), your master is calling you to stand down and be reprogrammed. You just don’t have that Unity message and it is very important that you get your puppet string rewired to reflect this.
Sincerely,
Your Master, Barack Obama
Spare me your PUMA applause lines, loser, I’ve found real people to talk to here.
If you’re gonna talk then talk. “STFU” doesn’t advance your cause. In fact, it sounds retarded when you’re trolling on a site.
I haven’t been talking? LOL. I’ve written a third of the posts on this site. I just don’t need to take seriously someone calling me a puppet after I’ve spent the past hour spewing dozens of posts, and being critical of my own candidate for his lame-ass, disgusting decision about FISA.
Your candidate is a POS for many reasons besides FISA, and I’ve yet to hear you defend any of them or credibly explain in detail any of his policy positions. You have posted a great deal of tripe about the Democratic party platform and some partisan talking points. You can congratulate yourself on having made yourself look like an idiot by posting 1/3 of the comments and failing to make a point.
sfHillary: Which policy proposals does Obama actually support? We don’t KNOW, because he draws NO line in the sand. He shifts and twists in the wind on EVERY issue that has arisen since the end of the primary season. We know what Hillary would fight for; and we know she would fight! What will Obama fight for? Anything? What single cause or issue has Obama been willing to champion even if it meant losing? Even if his popularity dipped? Will he come back to fight another day? I understand that their policy proposals are similar. But I see no evidence that what his stated position is today will be his stated position tomorrow. I’m not happy about it; but I have to pull the lever for McCain at this point based on everything I’ve read, seen and heard. At least I know McCain has some enduring moral values where he will draw the line, and stand up for basic human dignity and values. We’ve seen him choose principle over party time and time again, and I believe he will fight for America and Americans. When the chips are down, Obama sulks. When the chips are down, HRC and McCain get right back up, dust themselves off and roll up their sleeves and go back to work. In the end, character and values trump platform. If I knew what Obama would fight for, I might be persuaded to change my mind. But so far, I only know he wants to win, but I don’t know why or to what purpose. At least I can sleep at night with McCain, knowing he will try to find common ground, will try to bring Americans together, and will not dishonor the Nation. That will have to do this time around.
Thank you for adding another rational, reasonable post to this thread. Obama has certainly compromised and even flip-flopped on several issues. But if you want a list of issues on which he has not compromised or flip-flopped, here are a few off the top of my head: his health care plan. His taxation and budget plans. His intention to work toward an orderly withdrawal from Iraq. His intention to go after Al Qaeda hard. His intention to talk to and negotiate with our enemies. His advocacy of a sane, responsible, forward-thinking energy policy. His pro-choice positions and promise to appoint rational, civil rights-oriented Supreme Court justices. His opposition to gay marriage (too bad, but no surprise). And on and on. thanks for admitting that his platform is quite similar to HRC’s. But please — every politician shifts ground. McCain’s flip-flops over the past few years are epic, stunning, hilarious. You say he has “enduring moral values” and “won’t dishonor the nation?” What planet do you live on? The man has flip-flopped and now supports the Bush White House view on torture, imprisonment of enemy combatants without habeus corpus, the Bush tax cuts that are bankrupting the nation, the right of the federal government in the form of the president to spy on any American at any time for any reason at his own discretion without judicial oversight…
He has enduring moral values and won’t dishonor the nation? If you are a closet fascist who wishes to live under 21st century feudalism maybe you could believe that. To any rational patriotic American, McCain and the Republicans are mortal threats to individual liberty and American democracy.
He does?
Dude, you’re on glue. Is Obama hiring bloggers out of high school now?
I’m in my mid-40s and certainly not getting paid for these ramblings? What aspect of what I wrote do you disagree with? Saying I’m on glue and in high school doesn’t intimidate me.
No one is trying to intimidate you. It is shocking that at your age, you can’t tell the difference between Bush and McCain and know so little about the candidate you support.
Hey give him time sfhillary. He’s just getting started. I have no doubt that your list of “principles” Obama hasn’t yet pitched over the side will get shorter and shorter as the weeks drag on.
Because, in the end, Obama has no principles. He believes in Whatever It Takes To Win. You can admire that all you want, but don’t list his principles as a reason to support him, because they are like a sand castle at low tide- attractive and admirable today, gone tomorrow.
Politics is the art of compromise. That’s what Hillary is doing right now going around urging her supporters to “do everything you can to elect Barack Obama president”. I, with millions are others, can’t and won’t do anything.
Hopefully, Obama will be defeated and with a McCain administration and a Democratic congress, McCain’s friend, Hillary, can exert a maximum amount of influence and we can keep ourselves out of war and bring a little balance back into our political and economic life.
The picture I have of Obama is the liberal, Democratic version of the idiot Prince, GW Bush. This time we have the idiot puppet.
Obamazoids also suffer from overwheening and hubristic egos. It’s an Obama-contagion the weak ones are susceptible to. It’s called: “Me-Like-Me-A-Lot-Even-Though-Me-Sucks-A-Lot.”
Benjamin Franklin’s quote, oft repeated, needs to be put into proper context. The essential liberty was to live as free Americans and not as subjects to the British crown. The temporary safety was appeasement of the crown to avoid police actions by the crown against Americans. Clearly in this scenario, Franklin was right, those who appeased Crown and gave up their liberty to live as a free American deserved neither liberty or safety.
FDR used this quote in his Four Freedoms speech also in this context: “No realistic American can expect from a dictator’s peace international generosity, or return of true independence, or world disarmament, or freedom of expression, or freedom of religion– or even good business. Such a peace would bring no security for us or for our neighbors. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.“
Ya been hoodwinked! Ya been bamboozeled!!
So then,…I guess this means he’ll be letting the moveon.org ultimatum fall by the way and will NOT be fillabustering the bill in the Senate?
LMAO! He is such a liar!
BO now throws dailykos under the bus.
Obama Announces Bold New Economic Policy To Followers in Chicago Today.
Obama: I wanted to speak to you all, because we are being reminded what bad shape our economy is in.
(audience cheering and applauding)
Obama: People are hurting. They’re having difficulty making ends meet. They can’t afford to go to the Doctors. Parents are having to choose between food or gas. (more cheering from the audience). Today Oil has climbed again to the highest price we’ve seen to date. (massive applause now from the audience of followers). And with this news, the Stock Market has taken the 2nd worst hit this year.
(cheers and applause continuing)
Obama: We need to take bold action to fix our economy. So today I am announcing I am seizing control of all personal bank accounts, savings, money markets and CD’s and investing them on the Stock Market to kick start our economy. (audience is now giving a standing ovation. Tears are flowing from all the followers in the audience)
Reporters note: I’ve never seen anything like this. Obama supporters are just so excited with the hope of his bold new policy, they are writing checks out right now and handing them to him Surely Wall Street firms will be elated with this news and I’m sure Obama’s contributions will surge this month..
(snark-in case you needed to be sure)
It actually sounds realistic though. That’s exactly how Obamabots act.
Really? In what alternate universe? Throughout the month of June, more Americans have “supported” Obama than any other candidate. So you’re referring to a majority of adult Americans here?
You obviously haven’t read Obama’s real tax plan or researched his economic advisers or been paying much attention throughout the primaries. As for the majority, they elected Bush twice, too. That’s just democracy at work.
Only if by “supported” you mean “gave money too,” because if you measure “support” by counting votes, your statistic does not hold up. Hillary won more votes in primaries and caucuses in June than Obama did.
Same for May and April too btw, but fortunately for you (and you have been an Obama supporter all along, you liar) the media called the race over in March.
I find it interesting that anti-McCain folks are so angry that Democrats might vote for him. Yet, only 4 years ago, he was seriously considered as a worthy VP candidate. During the last 4 years, McCain’s voice in opposition to the Bush management of the Iraq war was embraced by many Democrats—sought by many Democrats and his voice as a Republican who everyone knew wanted to run for POTUS as a Republican in 08 was far more politically courageous in speaking against Bush than the voice of any opposition Democrat. This was a voice at that time for hope and change from the politics of Iraq. Give credit where it is due.
Excellent point, Jangles.
False on any number of fronts. McCain was so disliked by Republicans — not a good starting point for someone who is now running as a Republican — that he is said to have seriously floated his own name as a potential Kerry running mate; there is zero evidence that Kerry or any other Democrat seriously considered McCain for that position.
As for his “opposition” to Bush: he does occasionally take contrarian, even principled positions. But of course he abandons them as soon as they become expedient — I believe he is now on the record as saying he would vote against at least two bills that he himself co-wrote and sponsored. Obama has certainly had his share of flip-flops, but oh boy, so has McCain. This site’s extolling of him as a “moderate,” a “patriot,” etc. is truly creepy, and derives not from facts or reality but from sheer hatred of Obama. Which is also pretty creepy in its intensity.
sfhillary,
Ever consider why Obama brings out the worst in people?
With a service record as long as McCain’s, anyone would agree that policies and issues evolve and sometimes a viewpoint requires changing. Also, there are times when the American public as a whole demands a different action from their government, as in the publics’ current apetite for oil drilling, and it’s desire to secure the borders..
With Obama’s very little time, and even less attention to difficult issues, his voting present, not showing up, or correcting his wrong button push, he nor you can possibly argue that his position has grown or changed out of some altruistic reason.
Btw, your support of a corrupt, arrogant, insulting, inexperienced candidate is what is creepy. Instead of calling McCain voters delusional, explain your justification of Obama’s immoral character.
McCain’s flip-flops have happened over the past couple of years — he is now against the immigration bill he co-sponsored just a couple years ago, he is against the campaign finance law that he co-sponsored and passed a few years ago, he now supports the Bush tax cuts that he voted against in this decade, he is fawning over fundamentalist christians whom he excoriated during his last presidential run.
As for Obama: I don’t consider him immoral because I have a sense of perspective. It has yet to be demonstrated, even remotely, that he has commited any criminal act; it may have been demonstrated now that his relationship with Rezko was inappropriate and unseemly — but man, go read up on McCain’s history with lobbyists, the Keating Five, and on and on. As for the assertions that Obama is “racist,” “homophobic,” “sexist” — they all rest on ludicrously slender reeds. You want sexism? Go read about McCain’s joke about Chelsea’s ugliness. Or his documented “c-word” public tirade against his second wife. Or the way he dumped his first wife after she stood by him during his decades of imprisonment and rehab because she got in an accident and wasn’t young, pretty or rich enough anymore.
You want immoral? McCain’s history is staring you in the face if you care to read it. Obama has never done anything, to my knowledge, that even comes close to the lowlights of McCain’s career. Half the Senate despises the man because of his insane temper and the cruelty with which he treats people. But here on NQ he is a saint, because the only real imperative is hating Obama.
How is McCain not a moderate or a patriot, and what’s with the quotation marks? McCain has a longer career and more room to maneuver on policy changes. For the most part, he is fairly consistent. Obama has done nothing of substance, has no experience on the national stage and changes his positions when he is attacked on them. He has never taken a principled stand on anything. McCain has changed his mind, but he hasn’t lied to voters. He most certainly did serve his country and continue to make our military and national security one of his areas of focus.
McCain is disliked by Republicans because he is to Moderate. He has, for most of his senate career, gone against his Repug homies IAs for him “NOW running as a Republican, if you knew your history, the republican party was ONCE the party of the people..
I will take my chances with someone who actually SERVED his country rather than talk shit about it.
that’s why I love this country cuz you can talk SHIT about it and NOT get arrested!
However, if you wish to hold the highest office the first requirement (after being born here) should be that you have NEVER done anything but be a STALWART defender of the People’s House. We should want the BEST person for the job. One who is an advocate not a hindrance to progress!
BHO would (and has) taken us back decades in progress (on the racial front)
God knows what he’ll do on every other front. I’m not voting for someone that gives NO real clue what he believes other than that his whole family spend way too many Sunday’s cheering on haters in church!
That’s NOT at all American to me. It’s such a small slice that it’s barely recognizable by most Americans. We want a President of ALL the people not just a small crazy minority of race baiters, haters and heinous liars (especially that crap about Aids)
Maybe you know the answer to this question.
Who in the Democratic Party is primarily responsible for advancing and sponsoring Obama’s candidacy? I mean specifically. It looks to me like John Kerry is the ringleader. It looks like Obama, who has no significant record of legislative or political accomplishment is a puppet for somebody. What do you think? What are your sources?
Also, do you know why the congressional Democratic leadership is so adamantly opposed to a Hillary Clinton presidency?
BS…….
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2004/06/12/MNGOB7598R1.DTL
They are angry because we have the gall to think of our votes as our own, and not the property of Barack Obama. They are angry because we still see ourselves as voters with a decision to make, and not POWs of the Obama Army. And they are especially angry that we don’t just do what Hillary says, like they would do whatever Their Messiah told THEM what to do.
I agree with McCain today that Obama has no core. I’d rather have someone who has the guts to state his position and stick to it, whether I like it or not.
These manipulated polls that the MSM keep schlepping out are the political equivalent of whistling past the graveyard. Do the Obamaniacs really believe that all we gun-toting, Bible-clutching xenophobes out in the hinterlands are going to elect a Marxist-leaning radical with white-hating and anti-American associates? Hey, O-bots! There are a lot more of us than there are you!
Wrong. There aren’t. That’s why Obama is leading — already — in practically every swing state poll and practically every national poll. McCain is a crappy candidate from a loser party. You accuse Obama fans of whistling past the graveyard? Take a look at the latest economic news and statistics, then tell me the last time the candidate from the incumbent party actually won a national election during recessionary times like these? LOL. Get ready for an Obama landslide.
I don’t really care if you’re over-confident, but I’d refer you to polls that have some validity.
Quinnipiac isn’t even rated, that’s how untested that poll is. There’s a list of the top 25 pollsters during the primary and how they fared.
That company isn’t on the list.
The 2 national polls that had him far out? Their assumptions were so off and so bad they made the roundtable discussion this weekend for bad polling!
Newsweek, in short, is a joke.
Gallup has them even today. dead even.
I’d stop and think.
And I’d also take some time to track the swing states and think. MI is up for Obama. He’s also been there. McCain hasn’t hit that state hard yet. Watch for see-saw as McCain hits MI hard with Obama lies about NAFTA.
Take a look at NM. McCain is creeping up.
Take a look at MO. McCain is creeping up. He’s up to 7 points ahead today.
That’s a MAJOR swing state.
WI and MN? OK, call them swing if you want. I thought they were in the bag for Obama all along.
So I thought the headline about swing states was typical bs.
Watch the real swing states. Oregon? McCain is very close. Oregon, mind you. That was gonna be a sure thing for Obama, right?
Hmmmmmm*
NV…..McCain is ahead. That was another Obamaland.
I thought Dewey is beating Truman in the polls.
WI and MN both went to Gore and Kerry. They are considered swing states in this election, because the Republicans have targeted them and can likely take them in this election.
Ouch! Heh.
I live in MN and I will not be voting for Obama. I also know only a handful of people who claim they will vote for Obama and they aren’t even pro Obama, they are just lotal dems. But the ones I know who will not vote for Mr. Scary monster out number the obama votes by 3 to 1. I am hopeful that MN turns red this year because there are people like me who are spreading the word about the con man. I will proudly be displaying a sign in my yard that says Another Democrat for McCain. I already have tons of anti Obama signs in my front window. One sample: The audacity of Bullsh_t.
Don’t forget the RNC is having their convention here in St. Paul, MN. Could sway some voters if McCain gets around.
Thanks for a sane post. One can, of course, tell almost any story at this stage with polls. Overall, though, aggregate polling gives Obama a perhaps small but a clear lead, both overall and in the electoral college. I notice that I no longer read nearly as many references to how Obama is “unelectable.” I think the aggregate polling is why. He clearly is electable, and is in fact winning, if maybe only by a small margin overall.
Before you shoot your mouth off, look at the electoral map and check the polls. Right now it’s slightly in McCain’s favor, and it shouldn’t even be close.
Loser party?
How many years since the last Democrat President? And how many before that?
You are seriously delusional to think the GOP will just allow Barky to win.
You need to grow up and wise up, they have not yet begun to fight.
Soon, the entire nation will know all about Obama.
Better get your defense ready.
Can you explain Ayers to your neighbors? Or how about Rev Wright?
Maybe, the clerk at the grocery store will be interested in how he lied about Rezko.
Does your grandmother know he campaigned for Odinga?
LOL, sweetie!
You think that this election will be decided by Ayers and Wright and Rezko? Dream on. The economy is collapsing, we’re stuck in a devastating war, our budget is terrifyingly out of whack, and McCain represents the status quo on all these issues at a time when only about one quarter of Americans like the direction that the nation has headed under his party’s leadership.
Ayers and Wright and Rezko are your fondest dream about the “issues” that this election will hinge on. I’m going to stick with Iraq, the recession and overall party ID. And I predict an Obama landslide.
Raising taxes 12.5% during a recession is not the way to reassure the public about your grasp of economics. McCain’s record of opposing earmarks while the country is recovering from the housing market and credit market crises is better.
Oh, right. Because Obama has a proven track record for doing anything important? Dream on dumb@ss. I highly suspect that Iraq with Obama will either get screwed up royal and need at least twice as many troops after he pulls them out or he’ll change his position on it by 1/20/09. Do you really think he isn’t going to do what his billionaire friends want him to do over there, like say Nadmhi Auchi, the Iraqi billionaire Saddam Hussein’s henchman, who is funding Obama? Give me a freaking break dummy! Oh, and the recession? He has what plan exactly to deal with that? Nothing. Even if he did, again, by 1/20/09 he’ll “change his mind again” won’t he? He lies, lies, lies and when he is done doing that, he lies some more, and after that’s over, well, he lies some more. He is outright lying to the American people and alot are so dumb as to buy it! Hope and change my a@@!
PUMA!
Then you don’t need us. If Obama is going to win easily, why are you so blue-faced about getting us to vote for him? Why do you care?
Do you even realize how stupid you sound? “Hey, Obama is way ahead in the polls. McCain is a loser. Obama is going to win easy…..So Vote for him!!! Come on, you idiots! Vote for him! You HAVE to! COME ONE!!!!”
Really, make up your mind. Don’t tell us Obama is a mile ahead and then beg us to change our minds. It’s unbecoming of you.
keep your promise, troll.
you promised to leave and sign out. now beat it.
Please, I’m certainly no Barack Obama fan but he was absolutely 100% correct not to attempt to fillibuster the new FISA bill. People simply need to accept the fact that wiretap surveillance is absolutely essential if we are to prevent terrorist attacks on the United States. The new FISA bill strikes a fair balance between that need and the need to safeguard individual privacy rights. There is now an independent oversight body in place, retroactive warrants must be obtained, and any information gathered during the course of monitoring suspected terrorist communications that is not directly related to terrorist activity cannot be used in court. So if they hear you talking about making a drug deal, they can’t do anything with that information.
Also, the retroactive immunity granted to telecom companies was absolutely essential. Without it, the telecom companies would have faced billions of dollars in lawsuits simply for doing what the government asked them to do in the wake of 9/11. I think we all have become very complacent about the threat because we haven’t been hit again since then. Electronic surveillance is a big part of the reason why we haven’t been hit again.
Wow, no shit, an actual intelligent, knowledgeable post on NQ? We ought to form a support group!
I *am* an Obama fan, and I consider his position a shameful sellout. A simple extension of current FISA law, from everything I have read, would have given law enforcement all the tools they need to monitor any potentially relevant communications they saw fit, in real time, with accountability required only after the fact.
As for telecom immunity: fuck them. They knew they were breaking the law. Their lawyers knew that just because a bunch of Bush-era sleazebags wanted to eavesdrop on every American’s cell phone calls didn’t give them the right to do so, and didn’t give the possessors of that data the right to violate he Constitution. This isn’t about patriotism, and isn’t about national security. It’s about whether the American people will ever learn the depth of Bush era federal criminality, and whether we still are going to live in a country where the Bill of Rights still means something, or whether we are going to allow the Republicans to basically turn us into, say, Chile in the Pinochet era. Obama failed the American people this week. But McCain, of course, is ten times worse.
FISA was first passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in the late 1970’s. Telecom immunity had been part of FISA since day 1. FISA first allows for monitoring of data traffic and not the data content only between a foreign node and a US node, not between two US nodes. Data traffic is public domain and observing it can reveal patterns in the communication patterns. Those patterns can then be further analyzed to determine if cause exists to obtain warrants or other administrative orders to monitor the actual content suspicious traffic. The FISA amendments were necessary because of the differences of data mining techniques between the TDM networks prevalent in the late 1970′a to the packet switched networks of today.
spam, why do you just cut and paste the same thing multiple times?
The Obamaborg is hastily trying to cover its tracks.
No, you can’t say that McCain is ten times worse because nobody knows what Obama is or would do with one exception:
Campaigning and governing may be two different things, but Obama’s use of force and intimidation is predictive. Handing the right-wing radicals’ Unitary Executive to a guy who for whom thuggery is a first resort would be unconscionable.
Obama’s use of force and intimidation and thuggery? Name an example, please? I’ve been following the primary pretty closely and am not aware of any such instances.
There were numerous accounts from Texas. Google will turn up stories like this:
Precinct 56: a witness saw someone make false entries for Obama. Clinton-supporting temporary officers had the convention seized from their control, and they were excluded from the process. It looks like out of state Obama supporters helped “elect” a new chair.
Precinct 45: a witness saw an Obama supporter making false entries. An Obama supporter announced that people should leave.
Precinct 61: heavily outnumbered Obama supporters controlled the precinct convention awarded 18 delegates to Obama and 16 delegates to Clinton in a precinct where there the preference was 89 Clinton, 16 Obama, 1 Richardson, and 2 uncommitted.
Precinct 71: At 7:05pm at the Precinct Convention, all of the voting for the primary was complete and all of the caucus goers were seated. ________ reported that the Obama chair waited an hour and said “we did not expect this many people so we will have to move” when no move was necessary. The chair said “just sign your name and address and then you can leave.” When asked “what about our presidential preference?” the Obama chair replied “we don’t have time for that…just write your name and address.”
Precinct 36: an Obama supporter took control from a standing chair. The witness reported that Republicans and out of state Obama supporters helped “elect” the new chair. The witness was ejected from the room when he tried to report this to the Texas Democratic Party.
Precinct 41: the attendees included a large number of African Americans who did not appear to be from El Paso. Some Obama supporters tried to have elderly voters write-in Obama as their preference.
Precinct 48: This may be the anecdote Pacific John wrote about. According to the precinct captain, Obama organizers first tried to award the precinct to Obama via a show of hands. The actual preference was 74 Clinton, 33 Obama. The witness reported that she overheard an Obama organizer call in a false delegate count.
So you are saying that if McCain is elected, the democratic congress and democratic senate will be just helpless.
Look, McCain does not help us on FISA, neither does nobama and pelosi.
McCain will nominate some conservative judges, so what, ever the conservative SCOTUS of today seems to be doing the right job judging by their decision on Death Penalty, OTOH nobama actually wanted to give death penalty for non murder offenses. Are you sure you have the right guy for your ideology?
And don’t even bring up Roe Vs Wade. it ain’t on the cards. And even if it does happen, a lot of us have completed our reporduction and those that haven’t know how to use contraceptives. You guys in the nobama camp are the ones that will need to go back to coat-hanger abortions.
McCain is right on climate change. He is not overboard, but he is understands that it needs to be tackled.
He is right on the energy crisis. We need to drill. Freaking China is drilling off coast of Cuba and taking our oil. If we are selfsufficient, the OPEC cartel loses control, and EVERYBODY in the world will great a break. We need to make innovations too, but for the next 15-20 years we will need oil as we transition to the less and less oil dependent economy.
You guys were not around when Carter imposed Windfall taxes on oil. The taxes were straight passed to the consumer and if you have not seen what lines at gas stations bring out in terms of road rage, you have no idea.
I am all for increasing taxes for services. That is how locally we improve bus services, roads, schools. But not when the economy is tottering. Right now imposing taxes, even on higher income people will just hurt the economy and jobs. And guess what the higher income people just pass it down the line to the average joe. If taxes are raised, just watch how food gets more expensive. How clothes and appliances get costlier, how you pay more for your phone bill. The rich guys don’t take the hit.
Frankly even small business people like me will have to lay off 2-3 employees, and that is 20% of my work force.
You young people get caught up in this nonsense of Hope and Change. Every snake oil salesman has used them from time immemorial.
Thank you, GoHillary.
Not to mention, the ridiculous “windfall profits” taxes can and will only apply to AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES. That will only knee-cap us.
If this bill had come up three months ago, Obama would have taken the lead in filibustering it. Because he needed to hold the liberal base. Now he can give them the finger by pandering to the fear mongers.
Way to show courage and principles, Barack.
I am not voting for the lesser of two evils here, and I reject your analysis. “hey mccain is worse”.
No lowering the bar for obama. we participate in shaping our country and policies, not bending over for obambi.
We’ve had the same terror threat for years and he has changed his tune in a matter of months. That is the problem with him. Excuses and blame. What a complete lame@ss. I will never vote for him.
Bwahahahaha Someone is watching the watchers! Is this guy for real?
OK you think you can stand toe to toe with us and answer all our questions well here goes:
1. Where is Obama’s REAL birth certificate;
2. Where is Obama’s State of Illinois Senate records;
3. Where is Obama’s medical records.
Just thought I’d start out with three questions in case it gets too hard for you. I’m waiting.
Until any authority says otherwise, I will assume that the birth certificate they just released is accurate. No, heavy-breathing infoil web theorizing doesn’t count as evidence. If there is any real evidence that the birth certificate is fake, the mainstream media will let us know; trust me — that is what they do, and any journalist would LOVE to break that story; it would be career-changing (please trust that I know what I’m talking about here).
I haven’t read a lot about his state Senate records or medical records. I would assume that, if he’s really withholding them, he won’t be able to get away with that all the way to November. Although HRC and Bill have sure done a good job of keeping most of their records, financial and otherwise, out of the public eye this year, nor do we know as much as we probably should about McCain’s current health status.
There, how’d I do? I admit I don’t know much about 2 and 3, and I suppose, in theory, either could contain damaging information about Obama.
all I can say is “Blah”
they both are not my favorite …McCain and Obama.
I miss Hillary
oh and where is the tape???
I wanna see it!
http://www.momsword.org
I think sfhillary is Pelosi in drag
LMAO….
I think your right!
LOL. She is indeed my duly elected representative, but I’m not a big fan of hers.
I think she’s the same person who usually posts by the name Right On. Her syntax is the same—not to mention to mention the repetitive comments on everything.
Wrong. I’m a he, and I don’t use multiple aliases, ever.
Whatever you say.
Obama supporters show their lack of morals when they think it is ok that Obama sat in a racist, anti American church for 20 years listening to Rev. Wright spew hate. That alone would make me not vote for him but his lack of experience and all of the dishonest, dirty, shitty stuff he did during the primary added to it. And calling The Clintons racist?? Don’t have much going for him when he has to play that old race card.
Actually McCain is more towards the middle than far
right. And I would rather have someone in office who I know loves their country than Barack Obama who won’t even put his hand on his heart for the National Anthem/Pledge of Allegiance. Nope, gonna vote for McCain. Obama is full of shit anyway-do you really think he’s a Democrat when he took all of that lobbyist money from Wall St? Wall St. sure isn’t Democrat.
Someone went on a bender with the Kool Aid. And they don’t have logic or they would not be supporting Obama. He’s got them all brainwashed. Go get some counseling.
Name one instance in which Obama called the Clintons, or anyone else, “racist.” Go for it. Show me the quote.
It’s like the Mafia. The button men do all the dirty work, while the Don’s hands stay clean.
Seriously, though maybe he hasn’t personally called anyone a racist, but his surrogates and supporters have. He should have taken control of the situation and said, “Cut it out or get out.” He hasn’t, so that leads most people to believe that he’s either complicit in it, or he doesn’t care what his supporters say.
When did any direct Obama surrogates call anyone racist? They’ve certainly criticized some statements by their opponents as being racially inflammatory, and some of those statements were. Just as HRC surrogates have criticized some statements in the media and elsewhere as being sexist and inflammatory, and some of those statements were.
I dunno, I’ve watched a lot of campaigns, this one was not particularly nasty on either side by historical standards.
Someone else would play the race card, and when the story was repeated back to Obama, he would say it was “unfortunate.” Michelle keeps harping on about the ‘fairy tale” comment. Playing dumb doesn’t work any better for you than it did for him.
Looks like the flip-flopper king has problems amongst his ranks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/11349;_ylt=Akfo_Q7pHJHVavRFDJNro14Xr7sF
“[A] lot of people tried to convince themselves that he was a progressive hero, and I think they were disappointed,” Hamsher said. “You can feel a real shift in the zeitgeist online.”
“If he doesn’t [defend the constitution], we may worry he is just another one of these spineless Democrats who are more afraid of controversy in doing the right thing than they are in actually doing the right thing.” – Markos M.
DING DING DING
Crazy! But the kool aid is still is ample supply at the orange site. However, it seems to have gotten a bitter taste of late.
there’s no question that Obama’s FISA cave is going to hurt him among his adherents in the netroots. No question about it.
OT – I am collecting URLs of blogs that were shut down by Blogger in the past 24 hours in a rash of Obama censorship. If you know of any blogs, please post the link in the comment here:
http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/06/blogger-censorship-update/
FISA was first passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in the late 1970’s. Telecom immunity had been part of FISA since day 1. FISA first allows for monitoring of data traffic and not the data content only between a foreign node and a US node, not between two US nodes. Data traffic is public domain and observing it can reveal patterns in the communication patterns. Those patterns can then be further analyzed to determine if cause exists to obtain warrants or other administrative orders to monitor the actual content suspicious traffic. The FISA amendments were necessary because of the differences of data mining techniques between the TDM networks prevalent in the late 1970′a to the packet switched networks of today.
Do you really think people take time to read the complicated stuff that you cut and paste to put a spin on nobama’s despicable behavior on FISA?
Oh I forgot, you get paid by the word. 4 cents is it?
Obama
A Thousand Points of Fright
Dan R
What the government asked the telecom companies to do was illegal…They should be sued along with Bush et al being impeached. There was no justification for what they did.
Correct. Obama failed America with this decision, and I ain’t shy about saying so.
Comrade Obama will keep you all safe just as soon as he stifles all dissent.
So first Obama and the DNC fracture the party. Now, with his support of FISA, and campaign financing flip flop parade (he’s been mixing the batter for that waffle since March) he may be on the verge of fracturing his own base. Now I here that PUMAs are on the move.
Pampers, what you’re hearing is the sound of shit hitting the fan…globally.
I think Captain Puketastic probably sees FISA as a method for determining who’s involved in the resistance if we actually have the misfortune of seeing him selected in November.
He will always be the Grand Vizier of Doucheland.
But Hillary got a standing ovation on the Senate floor. Love it.
good lord, Pampers exposure must be dulling my brain. I can’t spell hear here.
Does SFHILLARY help you make up your mind about the election?
Hillary Supporters Thank Obamabots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtgwmmoamwY
No, SFHillary comes across as a spinmeister. People have to rely on personal experience as much as this little bit of information and that little bit information to form their political judgements.
McCain is from Arizona. I used to live in Arizona and have heard a few anecdotes about him and how he conducts business and what people who have had to deal with him politically think of him. Based on what I know personally, I will take McCain over Obama any day.
Obama is a puppet, a fraud. Chris Matthews, of all people, highlighted this truth better than any of the spinmeisters when he asked one of Obama’s supporters to name any significant accomplishment of Obama. Nothing to say on that account.
And as a postscript, Obama is no more running his “effective” campaign than GW Bush ran his campaigns. He really isn’t even entitled to claim his presumptive status as an accomplishment.
Hey sfhillary…where the hell were all the Kool-Aid kids in the 2000 or 2004 elections? Lots of 20/30-somethings are claiming that Obama has so inspired them that they are voting for the first time. The DNC are pissing all over themselves because Obama has attracted all of these new voters. Perhaps if they had been real Americans, they could have helped us get rid of George Bush a long time ago. Now they just chant McCain = 4 more years of Bush and tell us that voting for McCain is cutting our nose off to spite our face. They don’t seem to care that Obama is a flip-flopper who panders for political expediency with corrupt Chicago style politics. There are millions of us who have been voting since we came of age and we didn’t need some stylish speechmaker with a hip Ipod hits list to inspire us. In fact, sometimes the choices were anything but exciting, but we took our responsibiity seriously. If they need some punk ass inspiration to turn them on, this country is really in trouble.
CJ
this country is indeed in trouble
Alot of the kids won’t turn out to vote anyway. They’ll hear he’s way ahead in the false polls and rest their hangovers in bed all day. then the next day when they hear Obamski lost, they’ll say Oh, crap. That was this week?
Some of them think he won already. He beat Hillary and was pictured behind his pretty fake presidential seal and was referred to on Fox Sunday by Joe Biden as Commander in Chief so the kiddos think the primary was the GE. Done, we can go home now and play guitar hero! Cool!
Gotta run, folks. Enjoy your evening. And see ya soon.
If you like gobblety-gook and fancy footwork then Barack Obama is your guy.
Is he the worst person in the world? Hummmm. Let me think about that.
Is he one of the worst candidates the Democratic Party has selected in quite some time? No hesitation–answer is yes. If you or other Obama devotees are looking to change hearts and minds then you’ve come to the wrong site. Except for Obamatrons invading the space, I can safely say there are no fence sitters here. NOBAMA is the password.
Where our former Democratic votes go in November is for us to know and you to worry about.
But trust me, we won’t be riding the “unity pony” to the polls.
PUMApac.org
http://WWW.OBAMA-WIRE.COM
WTF???
“It has always been a close call…”
Where do I start?
I am curious why that presser is not sucking up bandwidth at geometric rates.
First the and last BO has NOT been briefed on these types of security threats in January; gang of 8?. He failed a national security exercise in all respects. Utterly frakkin melted cheese. There is no other way to view it.
That whole monolouge was quality CRAP CANNON material. Everytime BO speaks my bones creek.
Thanks PaganPower…now I am required to watch the whole thing!
I think I’ll stick to the transcript though, as I am done being able to figure out what he is saying. UG!
Right now we’re under the bus, but when the bus moves, so will we, and then we will get under McCain’s bus, and then after that we’ll put McCain and Obama under the short bus, and get under there with them, bus, under, bus, bus, bus, puma, bus under, puma bus, hillary, bus.
Bus / Under 2008!
I see Comrade Obama is wordsmithing again.
Barry has not yet had an opportunity to flip flop on many of the issues that sfhillary(what does that mean?)
lists. They are, to use sfhillary’s word, things he “promised”.
Well, we can take a look at some other things he “promised” – aggressively pursuing a public financing agreement, opposing the FISA bill back in February – and it’s not unfair to at least wonder which of the many listed items he will flip flop on if he becomes President.
I thought I’d moved in his direction after Hillary’s inspiring speech and talking with a few other Hillary supporters who say they will vote for Barry in November, but I am not liking what I see and hear from Barry these days.
It isn’t about who you vote for as one commentator put it, “Who are you going to vote for? McCain?”
Well, at least I knew what he was going to do… He said it.
Obama is doing pretty much what McCain said McCain would do. Seems McCain might have known more about what was going on internationally and in the “President’s House” and, at least, expected what could or could not be done as President.
Let me see…
1. Pull troops out of Iraq (now or in the near future);
2. Repeal “Don’t ask, Don’t tell;”
3. FISA;
4. …
Can you at least admit that his campaign promises seem to be falling like dominoes?
Who is wearing the domino? Us or Obama?
PS Don’t even get me started on Obama’s statement about the “coup” in Honduras being “illegal.” If you think it is, go read the Honduran Constitution and their court cases that lead up to the removal of their president. Don’t just accept, question…