Salon Reporter Hears the PUMAs Growl
By SusanUnPC on June 26, 2008 at 3:55 PM in Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Campaigns & Campaign Financing, FISA, Iran, Iraq, Israel, NAFTA, Qualifications, Race Card, Ronald Reagan, Tony Rezko, Weather Underground, William Ayers
Rebecca, you’re surprised you’ve heard from thousands of PUMAs? Really?
When you write, “Who are these women, and why are they such buzzkills?”
When you fail to acknowledge the primary reason that PUMAs oppose Barack Obama — which is his utter lack of qualifications and experience?
Especially since you did not interview a single member of the JustSayNoDeal.com or PUMA08 coalition? Particularly since, without referring to the group by name, or speaking with (let alone interviewing) any of its leaders, you refer to our top-of-the-tier organizing force, JustSayNoDeal.com, and only in passing, as “this one“?
We’ve posted two reactions to Rebecca Traister’s June 23rd Salon story, “Why Clinton voters say they won’t support Obama,” with the subtitle, “The attack of the PUMAs, or a dozen reasons why Clinton voters are still too angry to come home“:
- “Rebecca Traister’s Safe Expectations — No Deal,” by Charles Lemos
- “A Response to Salon’s Story on PUMA: The Most Important Reason Clinton Voters Will Not Support Senator Obama,” by Ani
Here’s Ms. Traister’s YouTube response to the torrent of comments and e-mails:
Our MALE contributor, Charles Lemos, replied to Ms. Traister’s question, “Who are these women, and why are they such buzzkills?.”
A buzzkill? A buzzkill would be a disasterous Presidency from a dangerously inexperienced 46-year-old Senator who misspeaks on issues ranging from the status of Jerusalem to meeting global dictators and sponsors of global terrorism without preconditions and has no core convictions and for whom everything is a matter of political expediency. That’s a buzzkill. And PUMA, at least for me, stands for People United Means Action.
Ani emphasized the primary reason that millions of us oppose Obama’s candidacy:
Here is the main thing your article fails to take into account, and the main thing every single media outlet in this country likewise ignores: The number one reason we will not support Senator Obama for President is that he is not qualified for the job.
Surprised? Let’s examine this more closely.
This man has missed over 40% of his votes in the Senate. If one examines the votes he has missed, they actually are politically risky and require moral courage. So far, he has exhibited little.
He voted “present” 130 times in the Illinois State Legislature and voted “wrong” six times, i.e., he said “oops, I accidentally pressed the wrong button” — so either he is incapable of multitasking, or he is dishonest, just making choices for political expediency.
Aah. Thou hast hit it. What are the clues to his actions as nothing more than political expedience and opportunism:
A man who sits in a divisive and racist church for 20 years and lies about his knowledge of the contents of these sermons, then throws the church under the bus when it becomes politically critical for him to do so.
A man who is closely associated with the likes of the convicted criminal Tony Rezko, buys a house with his help, receives $250K in campaign contributions and allows Rezko’s slum holes to flourish in his State Senate district while likewise claiming ignorance — yet lies before the American people and says he barely knows the man and only did five hours of work for him years ago.
I will not even delve into his long working relationship with the man from the Weather Underground, ex-terrorist Bill Ayers, which he has likewise downplayed and/or denied.
This is a man with a questionable record on women’s rights, voting ‘present’ numerous times, who has also said “many pro-choice Democrats don’t understand that abortion is a wrenching moral issue.” Really? How insulting.
This is a Democrat who campaigns in South Carolina with Donnie McClurkin, an “ex-gay” man “reformed through prayer.” I wonder to whom Senator Obama was pandering in that state?
This is a man who runs slightly to the left of Hillary Clinton only to flip flop on every position he originally took including: public financing, FISA, his positions of Iraq withdrawal, the Iran threat, Israel, NAFTA and more.
Senator Obama is a man who insults the Bill Clinton presidency, a time of peace and prosperity, while extolling virtues of the disastrous Reaganomics. He calls himself a Democrat?
Most devastating, Senator Obama is a man who, together with his campaign manager and surrogates advantage themselves at every opportunity by playing the race card unjustly.
Senator Obama is the product of splendid marketing. Nothing more …
Read all of Ani’s story, “A Response to Salon’s Story on PUMA: The Most Important Reason Clinton Voters Will Not Support Senator Obama.”
A FINAL NOTE: Your story uses the pronoun “they” over and over and over. Did you SPEAK WITH any of the “they” PUMAs? Did you call a single one? Did you exchange any e-mails with any of the major activists in the JustSayNoDeal.com and PUMA collaborative movements? In Number 11 of your story, you link to 5 sites, at least one of which is not part of the PUMA / JustSayNoDeal.com movement.
Journalism 101 requires direct contact with, and interviews of, the principals involved in these movements — none of which you did for your story.
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According to the online dictionary BO has this universal meaning :
BO = body odor – resulting from a failure to bathe
I have loved shorthanding him as BO all along!
I was once – only once – chastized for calling him BO…the rest must have been close enough to smell his shit.
Are you referring to stinky?
Obama stinks every which way to Tuesday…hence my name.
Even Michelle concurs with her “stinky and snore-y” comment about Barack.
Was it me, or does she display the characteristic Obama smirk of condesention while saying by November those vowing not to vote for Obama will come around. What is it about Obama that brings out the absolute worst in people?
I was just thinking how I long for the days when writers were heard and not seen.
Ms. Traister — and God bless her, this isn’t her fault — is a writer who should (after a lot of remedial work) be read and not seen.
She has the quintessential face for radio, as it were. Or for print work, and I don’t mean of the Vogue variety.
It’s like Markos being on Maher or Olbmermann:
There are certain people whom you shouldn’t put in front of the camera. At least if you’re concerned about your ratings, anyways.
Rebecca Traister, and Markos, should not be put on TV (even by themselves as is apparently the case in Traister’s instance). Any GM or producer who decides otherwise will, eventually, pay the price for going against basic media realities.
Who knows, maybe that’s why Olbermann — no male model himself — has Kos on. Nothing like bringing on an unsightly presence to make yourself, comparatively, look good.
Hadn’t thought of that angle but it is one which is certainly exploited in the media world.
Anyways, Traister is an embarrassment to herself and her organization, Salon. Whoever is running things over there should be calling up Traister tonight and putting the kibosh on Traister’s would-be YouTube moonlighting or else ‘becca’s lack of knowledge and professional ethic will, by association, be staining Salon along with herself.
This is worse than a schoolteacher putting up sexy pics of herself on MySpace or something. This is basically Traister telling the world “Salon doesn’t know how to hire writers.”
As a CEO, Traister’s laughable words and videos are a fast track to your pink slip. Something you might be interested in.
She’d be bad on the radio, too. She’s got lousy vocal delivery.
I find that easy to believe. Thanks for the info. I won’t touch her YouTube player because I refuse to give her one view.
It was not just you. They know better, or so they think. They think they know us better than we know ourselves. And they give us motivation to prove our point.
Exactly.
Go ahead Obamabots, continue to strengthen our resolve.
PUMA
The more these people talk the madder the women become. People are seeing the arrogance of the Obamamites. We will vote for anyone but Obama. We will not change our minds in November. I will work my knuckles to the bone on the campaign trail just so Obama doesn’t become President.
Go Larse12! We’ll be out there working beside you!
How many hard-core Hillary supporters will defect?
By Jennifer Liberto, Times Staff Writer
Renee Slater, 51, left the Democratic Party, registered as an Independent and declared her support for Republican Sen. John McCain.
During the primary season around 9 p.m., when most of the world starts thinking about bedtime, Renee Slater would start pounding away at one of her two computers.
Often until 2 a.m., she’d urgently explain to the Internet world why Sen. Hillary Clinton should be president. Though not affiliated with the Clinton campaign, Slater was part of a vast army of volunteers who showed all of the resolve of their favored candidate.
But, of course, resolve didn’t win Clinton the nomination, and when Clinton dropped out of the race, Slater channeled her intensity into something unexpected: The 51-year-old from Aventura left the Democratic Party, registered as an Independent and declared her support for Republican Sen. John McCain.
“McCain has always been a liberal Republican,” said Slater, who made time to blog, unpaid, while getting a master’s degree in accounting from Nova Southeastern University . “Why do you think the conservatives are not happy with him being the nominee? He is not your run-of-the-mill Republican.”
The Democrats’ long, intense primary created especially close attachments for some supporters to their candidates. In the end, many impassioned Clinton supporters, women in particular, said they couldn’t switch their allegiance to Democratic Sen. Barack Obama. They promised to back McCain instead.
“Please don’t go there,” Clinton urged during her concession speech. “Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward.”
After months of spending every free hour possible defending Clinton online, Slater has gone there. What’s unclear is whether she’s an anomaly or an outspoken example of a quiet problem that Obama may face in November.
“Supporters go through a grieving period, but then they’ll realize McCain is much worse,” said Jon Ausman, a Democratic National Committee member and super delegate who endorsed Clinton but supports Obama in the general election. “I think they’ll come home. This is very normal.”
To some former Clinton supporters, McCain doesn’t seem so bad. He has long been considered a maverick who has spent much of his political career at odds with some in his party on things like stem cell research and campaign finance laws.
Slater said she prefers McCain to Obama because McCain has more political and governing experience. She said she’s bothered by the fact that some of Obama’s short time in the U.S. Senate has been spent running for president. (She said she’s also turned off by “vicious” Obama bloggers.)
As for McCain’s anti-abortion stance, a pro-choicer like Slater doesn’t think it’s the be-all, end-all issue of this election. She calls it a “Democratic threat intended to frighten.”
“If they didn’t outlaw abortion under Bush, who is far more conservative than McCain ever will be, I just don’t think it’s going to happen under McCain,” said Slater, who contributed $1,625 to the Clinton campaign and has given in the past to the DNC and John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign.
Slater has joined other passionate Clinton supporters who have found solace on the Internet, blasting Obama and praising McCain on Web sites like hillaryclintonforum.net and hillarygreenmountain.com. They call themselves McCainocrats.
So far in Florida, the number of Clinton supporters and would-be Democrats in Florida who publicly endorse McCain is pretty tiny. A week after the Democrats officially chose their nominee, the McCain campaign touted three high-profile Democrats and Independents from Florida: Slater, former Tampa Mayor Dick Greco and a former sheriff of Highlands County, Howard Godwin.
While the decision to back McCain wasn’t that difficult, the decision to come out and say it publicly was a move that two of the three lost sleep over. In fact, Godwin said there had been a mistake. He is a Democrat and does support McCain. But he never intended his choice to be made public and he didn’t want to talk about it.
Slater said she was hesitant about talking publicly, because she was afraid Obama supporters would inundate her in-box with accusations of racism. Slater says race never entered her mind when she made her decision.
“I know that there’s other people out there who feel like I do,” Slater said. “They may be quiet about it, but they’re out there.”
Former Mayor Greco, 74, a Democrat, said he had no problem talking about his decision to support McCain. He said he always supports candidates based on their experience and character, not political party.
“I just think McCain is better equipped to make these changes. He’s shown he can work both sides of the aisle,” said Greco.
Many Florida Democrats and ardent Clinton supporters, including Clinton fundraiser Chis Korge of Miami, say Democrats will come around and support Obama when they realize that McCain has more in common with President Bush.
“This was a great race between two fantastic candidates and it’s going to take some time to unify, and not everyone’s going to come back,” said Florida Obama spokesman Steve Schale. “But it’s not like John McCain has a unified party either.”
Excerpt from Slater’s writing on the Web:
05-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Hillary, we are still with you, but understand as well.
We will not vote OBAMA, not now, not ever. After witnessing this disgrace of a hit on you, your campaign, Bill’s Presidency, this Democratic party has become a bigger sham than the Repubs. This is worse than 2000 when Bush and his brother Jeb wrestled the election from Gore.
We have been forced to watch the raping of your campaign, and we have been forced to watch a “brokered convention” even before the primaries end. The DNC has told us who we will vote for. The last time I checked we were not yet a fascist nation. Not yet anyway.
Hillary, don’t ask us to unite for Obama, we have already united for McCain.
I’m not grieving. I would have accepted John Edwards. I simply cannot stand barack obama. He is a sexist pig and he attracts nutcases, radicals and people just like him. Show me who your friends are and I will tell you what you are.
Barack Obama is the Democrat’s version of George Bush and his nutcase sycophants. Look at how many of us bloggers are getting threatened and stalked and harrassed. Check out how many of our blogs are locked up by blogger because of malicious Obama savages claiming they are “spam” blogs. Somebody needs to tutor this vile pissants who are a good argument for contraception and Choice. They are very close to violation of internet stalking laws, and if you ask me, NQ should champion the publicity of what is going on. I have never been so glad in my life that I have a gun and a dog. I am not kidding here. these people are Sociopaths-For-Obama.
These people are sick bastards who would shut every one of us up with a bullet if they could. They think the internet makes them anonymous, so they need some tutoring there too. And it all comes from the obama “web echo” program. it’s with that sick bastard’s blessings. The man is an insult to democracy and his radical followers and these pissant kids who think he’s a fucking rap star are repeats of McGovern and Dukakis assholes. America is NOT going to give up democracy or the first amendment or anything else to these crackpot nutcases.
That’s the thing that gets me. Some of these officials just can’t seem to understand that the problem is Obama not any “emotional” attachment to Hillary like they condescendingly state.
I would have voted for Edwards, Biden, Dodd, probably even Richardson if any of them had won the nomination. I would have been willing to forgo the primary and just nominate Gore. There were plenty of options that would have worked out fine in my mind. I just simply cannot accept Obama. The lack of any core values, the racist church, the angry and entitled wife are simply too much to take. The only positive he has is those daughters. They really are adorable.
These “reporter” just don’t get it.
I would have voted for Dodd — but I decided very early on that Obama was not an acceptable Prez candidate.
When it came down to the two — Clinton and Obama — I must go with experience and who I KNOW.
No it has come down to two again — McCain and Obama — and McCain I know.
Everything about Obama is an illusion — his own supporters do NOT know Obama’s position on key issues.
This has nothing at all to do with grief — Clinton did not die — she is still a senator and she will still be doing her job.
Obama never even STARTED to do his job as a Senator.
Plus I will never vote for someone who HATES me — Obama insulted women and has not supported any of the issues important to women.
I do NOT vote for sexist pigs — and Obama is one of the worst overt sexist pigs EVER to run for President.
These reporters do NOT get it — the issue is experience and qualifications — and Obama fails– plus there is the character issue and his long list of creepy friends and associates.
yea the Bush kids were adorable at that age too
remember their whole lives has been that heinous hateful church!
I hope they get counseling at some point!
Actually I think Obama and his wife should also get psychiatric help!
sooner rather than later
have been
not has been
although I can’t WAIT until Obama is a HAS BEEN!! lol
I wouldn’t have voted for Biden, Edwards, Dodd or Richardson. I considered Kucinich briefly, and I respect him the most out of the bunch. I saw Hillary as a leader and a phenomenal candidate. I realized early on that Obama was copying her and had made destroying her a personal mission. It’s sick how he seemed intent on sabotaging her candidacy., like it was a personal mission. He is unscrupulous and not to be trusted. That behavior was one of the tip-offs; the other for me was how he faked his biography. You have to really want to believe his lies to support him unless you’re very cynical.
I agree Hope it looked extremely personal also against Bill. The looks he used to give Hillary just blew me away. I was resolved not voting for bo back in January after realizing what was happening. But what the DNC did to MI an FL first by disenfranchising them, and I do believe it was a set up because they knew obama would win the caucus states but to then usurp the will of MI voters for their own and not fully seat FL when they had no control over what happened, really floored me and I am not sure I cannot support any down ticket dem this time. This was worse than 2000 and it cannot be let to stand, otherwise it is going to keep happening and then what type of country is my grandchildren going to grow up in? This is the kind of crap you would see in China, Iraq, Iran, Russia. I couldn’t accept it in 2000 I sure as hell am not going to accept it from my own party. COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
The last two posts are definitely how I viewed BO’s attitude during the primary. It is as if he is out to bring the Clintons down. He treated both of them with disrespect, even at times saying the democrats years in power were not impressive (just because they where when Clinton) was president. I find Obama to be very rude, his arrogance is one of entitlement (yes, I say it) and his holier than thou attitude turns me off. I will support McCain and hope the democrats also lose many seats this coming election.
I also would have accepted John Edwards. I am also ashamed to say I voted for John Kerry in 04. But my blog got it to, the sad part is freedom of speech is not considered by the Obama followers. Thats just what they are followers. I got a email today from one, who seemed to want to address some issues I had on our website. The problem is he wanted us to talk to Obama… I think that is the only thing they think, that Obama can just talk his way out of anything. The problem is that there are many Senate Bills right now in congress, and they have just been sitting there for a year. Where was Obama? He was running around giving speeches, way to busy to pay attention. But now, he wants to talk, maybe he should LOOK at the bills, and maybe really DO something…
http://nocache.homestead.com/nativeamericansagainstobama/index.html
Thanks Uppity.
I concur. I too fear for reality.
Obviously this woman has never visted http://www.hcsfjm.com
If she did she would have to do a retraction. No OBAMA, lady, got it?
Maybe next time she will think twice about speaking for a group she isn’t part of. I mean, I disagreed with every single one of her points. It was raw bullshit and made me even more angry. If she’s going to be an Obama Girl, dandy, but she ought to have the courtesy of not pretending she isn’t one. And if she really is not in favor of Barack Obama and doesn’t have the balls to write a piece with cajones, then she shouldn’t write one at all.
Exactly.
And how would she feel if all the emails to her started out with.
‘Rebecca…you ignorant slut..’
I doubt she would take those emails to heart or rather negate them like she did the other emails.
However, that is how her whole piece started. Insulting people she was claiming to support….explain…..or whatever the justification for her article is.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Exactly.
Which is why I didn’t email her as such.
And why I used a well known SNL joke to make the point here…that insulting people doesn’t help Rebecca’s argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_Update
“Jane, you ignorant slut”
“A frequent feature of Update during this time was Point-Counterpoint, in which Curtin and Aykroyd made vicious and humorously inappropriate ad hominem attacks on each other’s positions on a variety of topics, in a parody of the 60 Minutes segment of the same name which pitted conservative James J. Kilpatrick and liberal Shana Alexander during the 1970s. Another possible impetus for this recurring bit were the nightly op-ed debates on New York station WNEW-TV’s The 10 O’Clock News between conservative Dr. Martin Abend and liberal Professor Sidney Offit which also aired during this period. Aykroyd regularly began his reply with “Jane, you ignorant slut,” which became another of the many SNL catch phrases. (Curtin frequently began her reply with, “Dan, you pompous ass”.)”
Interesting developments over at the Larry Sinclair blog:
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
I. Am. Sick. Of. Larry. Sinclair.
…and nobody despises the thought of Barack Obama as president more than I do.
Why are you sick of Larry Sinclair? I just read the latest entry on his blog and it’s very disturbing. Is the way dissenters are to be treated? Isn’t what’s happening to Larry Sinclair of importance to all of us? Larry Sinclair could have been arrested any any point before he arrived at or after he departed the National Press Club. Instead, his arrest took place at the club. Maybe I’m ready to believe just about anything at this point, but why does the government respond to Larry Sinclair with such craziness of its own? Does anyone else know what’s the deal here?
no one has discredited him with any real evidence. The polygraph results remain in question for those that have kept up with this. The fact that he has a criminal background does not, by that fact alone, discredit him. Where is the evidence to discredit? If none exists, why isn’t this story being at least INVESTIGATED??
Yes, I agree that the whole this is very, very disturbing. The MSM won’t touch this story because the media is owned. There is no more free press in this country.
And because of this, an empty suit of a man, who has the power to bring our country to its knees, has a better than good chance of stepping in as our Commander in Chief.
I can’t get to his site because of security. What does his blog say? Have they transferred him yet?
I think its highly usual that if you have a warrant WHY don’t you have extradiction papers already to go. What is up with that.
Secondly, if this is a smear, why hasn’t BOs’ camp commented on his smear blog?
Thirdly, the infamous Whitehouse.com people didn’t present their vaunted lie detection papers nor did they answer questions at the NPC, that they paid for.
Too many ‘what the fucks’ to not be untrue.
Sinclair’s blog is at:
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
His latest entry reads:
(begin quote): “10000+ REASON’S THIS IS OVER
Posted by Larry Sinclair on Thursday, June 26, 2008
I am writing this article to inform you all, that their are 10,000+ reason’s why this is over.
FIRST
I met with the Attorney in Delaware this afternoon and he has asked for a retainer of $10,000 which I do not have, and I am not going to stress over this between now and next Thursday.
SECOND
I have gone to the Clerk of the Court in Delaware and I have obtained copies of what little there actually is in the file.
1. The Indictment was ordered and the warrant issued by The Attorney Generals Office of the State of Delaware, not the New Castle County DA as would be the normal process.
2. The Indictment is dated February 4, 2008 and the Rule 9 Warrant ordered and issued by the Delaware State Attorney Generals Office signed by Susan S Dwyer.
3. The Court file states that on February 6, 2008 a Summons was mailed to me for Arraignment on Feb 15, 2008 (a copy of this summons from the court file shows that this did not in fact was not mailed as they did not include any address)
4. On February 11, 2008 the court file shows “SUMMONS SENT BY MAIL RETURNED. INSUFFICIENT ADDRESS, UNABLE TO FORWARD
5. February 15, 2008 “ARRIGNMENT CALENDAR: RULE 9 WARRANT OUTSTANDING. DEFENDANT DID NOT APPEAR.
6. June 23, 2008, “RULE 9 WARRANT RETURNED, BAIL SET AT UNSECURED BOND 3,000, ARS 7/3/08
7. June 23, 2008, ” RULE 9 WARRANT RETURNED, BAIL SET AT UNSECURED BOND 5,000, 7/3/08 ARS
THIRD
The following is the content of the RULE 9 WARRANT (I do not have access to a scanner to scan the document but as soon as I do I will scan it and upload it)
RULE 9 WARRANT
IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF DELAWARE
IN AND FOR NEW CASTLE COUNTY
INDICTMENT BY THE GRAND JURY ID #0712005646
The Grand Jury charges Lawrence W Sinclair with the following offense, a Felony:
THEFT, in violation of Title 11, Section 841 of the Delaware Code of 1974, as amended.
LAWRENCE W. SINCLAIR, on or about the 16th day of October, 2007, in the County of New Castle, State of Delaware, did take, exercise control over, or obtain property of ************************, or another person, consisting of United States Currency or other miscellaneous property valued at $1000.00 or more, intending to deprive that person and/or owner of same, or to appropriate same.
A TRUE BILL
(FOREPERSON)
JOSEPH R. BIDEN, III
ATTORNEY GENERAL
Signed by Susan S. Dwyer
Deputy Attorney General
FOURTH
I know for a fact that the charge stated in the above is not true, but I do not have nor am I going to ask anyone for the funds to retain this attorney. I will appear at the hearing set for July 3, 2008 and I will return to my home in Duluth as best I can and let the process take its due course. For the first time in my life, short a miracle from happening, it looks as if I will indeed engage in my first jury trial. As I have stated before, if I did it, I have admitted it, but this I did not do and I am not going to be harassed, intimidated, or scared into admitting to something I did not do.
FINALLY
It should also be noted that the letters from Social Security terminating my benefits was sent by James F Martin, Regional Commissioner, Chicago Region
So to all of you who believe that the truth is what is important here, you need to go forward and tell the truth. I cannot financially fight this battle and I am not going to be forced into homelessness and/or an earlier death for lack of medical access over this. I have tried to do what was right and I have been beaten up, slandered, attacked, threatened, and more and the powers to be now want to try to put me in the street.
I have been arrested and jailed under outright fraudulent warrants in DC, that came from the US Attorney’s office in DC, I was denied medical treatment and access to medication by a United States Federal Court Judge in DC on a warrant that she knew was non existent, all in the name of protecting a fraud of a presidential candidate.”(end quote)
What was he arrested for. It’s a simple question. He’s turning this into a drama.
Last time I looked, he gave some BS answer that his lawyer wouldn’t let him say.
I say, either get direct or shut up.
It almost seems like he is asking for more money to fight the Delaware charges, in order to continue the fight with Obama.
Yet, I thought that he claimed the fight was over with Obama when he supplied the information needed to expose the lies in the press conference.
Did I miss something?
The other stuff about cancelling his SS and medical seems odd though. Maybe it was because he raised funds on the web…?
It said he’s giving up the battle to have Obama answer his claim since he hasn’t the money or the energy to fight an accusation of theft of “$1000 or more” which supposedly took place in Delaware on or about Oct 16, 2007. The warrant was signed by the deputy attorney under Biden’s kid.
I don’t blame him. Evidently, authorities found out who made the death threats against him but would not even release the information to his attorney.
We all think we live in a country that gives everyone the same rights and protection under the law. It’s scary when you find out that isn’t so.
I don’t particularly like Larry Sinclair. I wouldn’t want to sit at the same table with him. I think I am not alone.
This makes him more vulnerable. Who the heck would help out someone like him?
I can very well believe that the actions against him were based on this expected notion. He is pretty much on his own.
Like him, love him or be indifferent. The story is one we should all follow to the end. Larry posted his original video on youtube Jan 19. These charges were filed by Joe Biden’s kid 2 weeks later.
Like I said, there has been no investigation nor evidence to discredit. I’m not saying it’s true, but I’m also not saying it’s false. I’m saying, we should find out. It’s a fairly simple concept. it scares the bejeezus out of me because there are murder allegations involved.
That’s exactly what the authorities want you to conclude about Sinclair.
Why is it that the authorities jump all over Larry Sinclair without hesitation but a virtual unknown man running for the most powerful position in the world is not even vetted?
This is just another example that we are not living in a democracy and that BO is being protected for a purpose that has nothing to do with running for president. He is the front man/sacrificial lamb for an agenda that I have no doubt has nothing to do with “the will of the people” or our rights as American citizens.
They really don’t get it. I wonder what the DNC and the Obamabots imagine they are gaining by simply ignoring the real reasons we have for not supporting Obama. They’ve convinced themselves that we’re just angry, and I know why. Because acknowledging our valid reasons for not supporting Obama would mean they would have to look at and acknowledge those reasons for themselves. But Obama will not hold up against even the smallest scrutiny. And they have no rebuttal to Obama’s lack of experience, his lies, flip flops, hypocrisy, and poor judgement. So the only thing they can do is ignore these things exist, and that means ignoring us…while, like children, trying desperately to get our votes for their illusion.
NObama. Not now. Not ever.
The other thing they can do, and employ at every opportunity, to deflect from his lack of experience, poor judgment etc. is to accuse everyone who dares to criticize the Emperor with No Clothes is to cry:
RACISM!!
That usually causes everyone to scurry and hide. Well, I’m getting really damn tired of that too, and I’m sure I’m not alone.
perhaps they think it doesnt matter b/c they plan to steal the GE like they did the nom..if they have it in the bag guaranteed, like Uhhbama told everyone, you know this is mine right? to Rendell months ago, taking vacation, yeah, if they plan with these new registrations they get from the summer registration drive they launched, and which posters have already seen, on the streets of NYC registering folks. What if they use those diebold votes and ours are a wash?
They can dish it out but they can’t take it! We have a right to voice our opposition…and make some noise about it… it’s called democracy, remember?
What these people are failing to realize is that not all of Hillary’s supporters were Democrats. Some of us are Independents, who don’t bow to party loyalty. There were also Republicans who supported Hillary and not out of spite or because Limbaugh told them too. My husband (a Republican, who doesn’t listen to the radio) supported her because he felt that she would be tough on national security and the Middle Eastern terrorists. We were both disappointed when Hillary backed out, but we’re hardly grieving. We turned our support to our second choice, John McCain, and so far Obama has shown neither one of us any reason to regret that decision.
That silly Traister chick really shouldn’t be a paid journalist because she obviously has trouble communicating both in print and on video. Was she still attempting to make a dig at those of us who are steadfast in our promise NEVER to vote for BO?
Charles, me thinks Salon needs to hire an intelligent journalist with integrity. That’s YOU!
GO PUMA
http://www.obama-wire.com
Obama-Wire Supports You!
This link don’t work. Links I found on Google to your site don’t work. Link on justsayno.com don’t work.
If you have no traffic on your site and are wondering why, stop hawking your site and fix your links.
Obama distances himself from his middle initial.
The NYTimes reports that “B.H.O.” shorthand is frowned upon. Here’s Jake Tapper:
should’ve distanced himself from his middle finger instead of flipping off Hillary in public
I am not suggesting anyone does this tomorrow but… given the prohibition of partisan political ’signs’ at the event in New Hampshire, wouldn’t it be a riot if Senator Obama’s detractors all scratched their faces at the same time, for example, when he begins to speak?
How can they prohibit political signs?! What the hell happened to the First Amendment. This guy is bad for this country on so many levels.
Okay so now he wants to ban middle initials? What else?
there it goes….his middle name/initial under the bus
“That’s not the H that I knew!”
Message to All Whining Female Democrats: Hillary’s Out. Get Over It, by Barbara Goldsmith
A Friend Stopped By Barack Obama Barbara Goldsmith Feminism Gloria Steinem Hillary Clinton Politics
Editor’s Note: Barbara Goldsmith is a prize-winning bestselling author and historian. She served on the Presidential Commission for the Celebration of Women in America History during President Clinton’s administration.
“Whoever is set up to be president of the United States is just set up to have his character torn off from his back in shreds and to be mauled, pummeled and covered with dirt by every filthy paper all over the country. And no woman that was not willing to be dragged through every kennel, and slopped into every dirty pail of water like an old mop, would ever consent to run as a candidate. Why, it’s an ordeal that kills a man. It killed General Harrison and it killed old Zach [Taylor]. And what sort of … a woman would it be that could stand it and come out of it without being killed?”
So commented Harriet Beecher Stowe when Victoria Woodhull announced her bid for the presidency in 1872.
The place: a distinguished publisher’s Park Avenue apartment. The date: Wednesday, June 18. The time: 8:45 AM. The occasion: a breakfast hosted by Gloria Steinem. The stated objective: to bring the Women for Barack Obama and the Hillary Clinton supporters into one cohesive group.
The little blonde stood, arms akimbo, and vented her wrath: “I am a good friend of Hillary’s,” she declared. “I’ve had her at my home, and I have always been there for her. I am here to tell you how angry and hurt I am and how hurt all Hillary supporters are by the sexist, disgusting way Hillary was attacked and pilloried by the media in this campaign. Until some acknowledgment of that is made, I am full of anger. I know the Democratic Party could have stopped it. I know Obama could have stopped it. But, everyone was silent and just let it happen and …”
Next up: a professor who took a full six minutes announcing her credentials and then said, “I used up my entire pension supporting Hillary. I went to 13 states and knocked on doors. I want everyone in this room to write in the name of Hillary Clinton on the ballot when they go to vote and …”
Another woman announced that she intended to launch a boycott of MSNBC. “I want all of you to sign my petition.”
The chairperson of “Women for Obama,” Becky Carroll, had flown in from Chicago and said she was tired. You’d be tired too with all that invective flying around the room. But Ms. Carroll couldn’t very well intervene, if catharsis was what was needed to unite Democratic women. Ms. Carroll was in a tough position – too tough to point out that Hillary Clinton had announced that her supporters should “take our energy, our passion, our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama …” These emotional outbursts — and there were several more — are just what male chauvinists say about woman’s incapacity to coolly assess a situation.
Please note that so far there’s been no “I” word in my comments. The “I did this, I did that, I am hurt, I may not vote, I may vote for McCain,” and so forth that have been heard lately may be what’s holding Democratic women back from fulfilling their potential to become a powerful coalition that could help guide this country back to safer ground.
Let’s just accept the reality of the political climate. With a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic Congress, Clinton and Obama agree, women may now be granted a full array of reproductive health services and the right to choose what is right for their own bodies. Nineteen million uninsured women might obtain full medical coverage. The accelerated production of medicines that prevent the transmission of the HIV virus might be funded, and maybe the hard-working middle-class women (and men) that constitute the backbone of our country will get a break. And, just think Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court!
Remember what Harriet Beecher Stowe said about the scurrilous 1872 presidential campaign; throwing mud, undermining character, trying to prove incompetence, personal insults are all a part of politics just as they were 136 years ago. Unfortunately, no candidate is above the fray; it’s only that technology and the length of this campaign have exacerbated the process. But, Hillary Clinton was a great adversary who broke down many barriers and helped clear a path to the future. Harriet Beecher Stowe was wrong in that Hillary Clinton was “not killed.”
So as my kids say, “Get over it.”
YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.
We are not “whining” because Hillary suspended her campaign….!!
OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!!! WE DO NOT LIKE OBAMA FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
Why is it so hard to believe that the disdain for Obama had NOTHING TO DO WITH HILLARY!
I will NEVER vote for Obama for President….NEVER!!! For a number of reasons that YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO!
I would have voted for any of the other Democratic Nominess….a couple I would have to hold my nose for …. yet NOT OBAMA!
The DNC is making it even worse and the elitist like Pelosi, kerry, Daschle, Dean and the rest.
NOBAMA….not today….not ever.
Hillary or McCain ‘08
BARBARA dear.. YOU Get over it
I’m not a kid and will never “get over it” or vote for BO. It’s a stupid condescending thing to say to us.
I knew Hillary was obliged to support BO. I’m not. I sent in my change of affiliation before she conceded. I can and will support and campaign for McCain if Obama is the nominee come August.
The reasons I cannot even consider BO have been discussed here in detail. Larry Johnson says BO makes McCain look like King Solomon.
auuh. poor thing, even resorting to repeated sexism talking points by this woman. She is a confused puppy. But, the condescention she partakes in…via Camp Obama’s tactics, I guess can’t be helped.
Delusional is another word that comes to mind. Apparently she doesn’t understand power to SPEAK UP and be heard and TELL IT LIKE IT IS. Or, does she wish us to be good little soldiers, hush up now and take orders quietly. Oh yes, Woman can take their rightful place in powerful positions acting like whipped puppies as the sexist men would have us (snark) and she aims to help.
No, she isn’t paying very good attention. But, she’s in her place because of women like us, so, being she doesn’t have the testicle fortitude, we will fight on for her and others who don’t have the means.
Hey, Barbara, you dry pussy turkey neck cunt, funny how you’re telling us to behave when you pride yourself on sounding like your “kids.” Fuck my gaping hole. Obama stinks like a dead hooker in a shallow grave somewhere between Barstow and Vegas during a heat wave. Can I get any more colorful in telling you how much I despise you and the POS you support. Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
Get off of it!
Funny, the only thing ‘Barbara’ says is that BO is elected some things MIGHT happen. That’s it, some things MIGHT happen. Of course, something entirely different MIGHT happen also.
Also, women do make decisions on who to vote for based on a whole range of issues and considerations. My uterus is not the beginning and the end of my political worldview. Give us a little more credit than that.
Many people who are claiming to speak for “all Hillary supporters” are not making the most basic point clear:
The DNC violated the democratic process of their own party’s Charter. THAT has nothing to do with Hillary or whining or winning or anything else. Through fraud and intimidation at the caucuses, to the inaccurately portrayed role of superdelegates, to the constant calls for Hillary to get out (despite her right to go to the Convention as someone who won more votes than any candidate in primary history), to disenfranchisement of two states, followed by the deliberate delay of allocating their delegates & the blocking of revotes, and then the ultimate violation–the RBC meeting–this primary was fraudulent and deliberately engineered. THAT is the fundamental reason that Obama is illegitimate. It is the antitheses of the Democratic Party and the very principles of this democracy. THAT is just as important as anything the Supreme Court can do. So it doesn’t matter whether anyone apologizes or soothes the hurt feelings. He is ILLEGITIMATE–PERIOD!
It was NOT “politics as usual” (unless by “usual” you mean the stolen election of 2000). I wish people that are speaking out would drive this home, because the message is not getting through! If I read one more damn article about Hillary losing or “emotional women” I am going to show them just how emotional I can be about the Bill of Rights.
Women who are crying about their “feelings” are not helping our cause.
Good post, Fran.
No I’m not crying over “feelings” and I, too, am angry when the DNC and their minions attempt to trivialize the issue or just pretend nothing happened. I haven’t gotten over 2000 and this is almost worse…screwed by our own party. Such a violation of trust that I’ll never go back. And, I’ll never vote for Obama ever under any circumstances.
Thank you.
That is the most important part of this….the subversion of democracy.
I have no emotional feelings about the historical moment that was lost. Or all the other sexist, ‘delicate flower’ excuses that are applied to me as a woman who supported Hillary.
I do have a probelm with the Dems stealing an election from the better/elected candidate.
It didn’t fly when the Reps did it…and it still doesn’t fly when the Dems do the same.
The MSM can go insult someone else’s intellegence. I didn’t fall for their lies about Dubya, the Iraq war, or Obama and his race baiting campaign.
They can try and dismiss me and my views with lies but I’m still batting a thousand spotting their errors covering these major news events. Solely, because I don’t rely on one source for my news.
We would have gladly taken “attacked”. Summarily dismissed while Clinton’s inferior opponent was hailed as the second coming was a little hard to take.
If you indeed are a woman, I feel sorry that you have none of, or refuse to use, the intuition our gender must rely on to avoid bad relationships with men.
You got yourself a loser there sweetie. Get over it.
Of all the patronizing, condescending, petulant bullshit, this takes the cake. And coming from a woman no less. You should be royally ashamed of yourself in even broaching this subject this way. The only thing worse than a patronizing condescending man is a patronizing condescending woman. We are not sheep. We are not going to follow a disastrous presidential candidate right off the cliff to our own demise. I personally don’t give a rats ass about Roe v Wade. I’ve never had an abortion in my life, I have 2 kids, and I’m over childbearing age. As far as I am concerned, if you don’t want a baby, use a condom or birth control pills. Take responsibility. I do however care about the safety and security of my country, I don’t want my kids to be in the next building when terrorist commandeer a 727 and fly it into that building. I do care about sitting down with our enemies and negotiating from a point of weakness instead of a point of strength, and without preconditions. I do care when the Democratic Party cheats and violates every single principle we have ever held dear. I do care when the primary process has been pre-empted in order to appoint a man that the majority of people in this country did not vote for. I object when we are told this is who you got, deal with it in spite of the fact the person who had the most votes was the legitimate choice. and I will not sanction those actions by voting for the lesser candidate when the stronger candidate won hands down. No one is going to tell me who I am going to vote for, I am not going to fall in line, I am not going to be denied the candidate that I voted for and that 18 million other people voted for, and told to accept someone less qualified. The DNC and its leadership can kiss my a$$. I will not be told to sit down and shut up and follow the leader. I will not be told that they know what is best for me and to be a good little girl. I will vote for what is best for me, and in my opinion, what is best for this country, and it damn sure is not Barack Obama. Its John McCain.
Barbara, can you see me YAWNING?
Why can’t you and Rebecca and all the other hacks READ WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
Can’t you understand English?
Are you just too damned lazy?
Many of us are saying this:
1) We aren’t voting for Obama because he’s not qualified and he is of questionable character.
2) Therefore, we don’t trust him on Roe v. Wade or any other issue.
You can sell out your country if you want. Stop boring us with “reproductive health” threats. YOU get over it.
Now, don’t you have an unqualified junior senator somewhere to kiss up to? Maybe if you wait around long enough, he’ll throw you a bone.
The only person I listen to when they say “get over it” is my mother and …… my mother has passed on so you BARBARA
GET OVER IT we are not voting for your beloved boy.
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY
NO OBAMA
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES
I support and adopt Ani’s post.
PUMA
Just Say No Deal!!!
polls mean sh**
PUMA
I just read an AP-Yahoo poll
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_el_pr/ap_yahoo_poll_clinton_voters
and it finds that 53 percent of Clinton supporters now support BO. The title is right because 53 is “most”, but that’s very low. In addition 23 percent now support McCain. I think the Democrats chose another loser. I voted for each one of them, but not this November. The dyed-in-the-wool Democrat turned purple and supports McCain.
If that poll is true, then it’s over for Obama.
I read somewhere that a pundit on tv stated only 8% of Clinton supporters have to crossover for Obama to lose.
It could be wrong…since I didn’t hear it myself.
It would be interesting to find out exactly where the percentage number does make a difference.
Which probably explain the media’s effort to diminish and marginalize the Clinton supporters. They know the tipping point is so low, they have to steal from that base by claiming only a few hundred are in those ranks.
Yet, at the same time knowing that only a few hundred decided Gore’s fate. Which negates their argument about only a few hundred Clinton supporters will NOT make a difference in this election.
Which is it…a few hundred can decide an election or can’t….LOL
Nevermind the fact, they don’t know if it is a few hundred, a few thousand, or a few million thanks to MI and FL.
The buried lead in that article is:
“8,460,000 DEMOCRATIC VOTERS REFUSE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA” (it also gives us an idea of PUMA power)
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/pumas-now-about-95-million/
Salon has sucked for a long time. I stopped reading them years ago. They have been nothing but a bunch of pretentious, self-important, vacuous know-nothings for 10 years now.
I couldn’t understand Traister. She speaks too quickly for her medium. From what I COULD gather, she still doesn’t get it.
He’s not qualified. He’s lazy. He’s incompetent.
And if you want more, check out “Obama’s Mythical Intelligence”.
No Obama. Not now. Not ever.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. I couldn’t understand her, either. It’s good for her that she’s a writer and not a broadcaster.
She garbled the last part about not being so sure, given the response she’s been getting, that the PUMA’s will “get over it” by November.
It’s almost as if she feels she’ll be chastised for saying it out loud.
I was disappointed no text comments were allowed at You-tube for this video. They want everyone to make hits at Salon.com, which I won’t do.
This was posted on Salon.com yesterday, but for some reason they took it down in the early evening.
I posted the link on ClintonDems with the paragraph she wrote entitled (I think) “Angrier Than I Thought.”
They got about 70 comments between 12:00 or so and whenever they took it down, about 6 hrs total.
I did put on a post to that “Angrier…” and there were numerous posters who told her they couldn’t understand her, move the microphone, etc. That’s probably the reason…poor sound quality.
Don’t think I’ll go to Salon again. The hypocrisy is just nauseating. The most vile comments in the world toward Hillary supporters before the theft…now it’s “Thank you Hillary”, “Welcome home Hillary” and on and on with their insipid, shallow, vapid immature posts.
I’d like it if they said nothing at all. But then what would they talk about? BHO is nothing without someone else to bounce off of.
Rebecca,
You start off insulting people by calling them ‘grumpy old ladies’ and ‘buzzkills’.
Then you go throw a list of insulting and demeaning reasons they won’t vote for Obama. Wonder what all the outrage is about when they disagree….and yet you insult them again in your response? Wow…that takes circular logic to a whole new level.
When you round out the lame arguments in print with ‘they have no where to go’, ‘they’ll love voting for him’, making the same mocking comments you claim to write against in the video.
Psst…that might be another clue to what went wrong in your assessment.
Now go insult someone else’s intelligence with your shallow arguments. You can’t even keep your line straight throughout the article and in your video response.
~~
Someone with a brain steal this woman’s job from her!
I couldn’t understand Traister. She speaks too quickly for her medium. From what I COULD gather, she still doesn’t get it.
Obama is incompetent. Obama is not qualified. Obama is lazy and grabs credit for the work of others.
And if you want more, go to “Obama’s Mythical Intelligence”.
No Obama. Not now. Not ever.
The video response is embarrasing and shows how naive
Rebecca is… She obviously has no political experience whatsoever as a journalist (are grades that inflated these days?) or otherwise…..
Did she just come out of the womb?
Yes, I already responded to that Salon article here, and on other forums.
We’ve already seen how this primary season played out. We now don’t trust the media or even polls since they have been so wrong…sometimes just plain LIES.
The media wants to play up this BS flowery picture of a unified party and Obama winning everything and everything is sooo magical.
VOMIT.
I will not vote for Obama. No matter what.
I’m not a grump old lady or a buzzkill. I’m in my mid-30s. I would have voted for a Clinton/Edwards ticket and even an Edwards/Clinton ticket. But I won’t vote for an incompetent and inexperienced person who has no core. Obama is a shell of a person: he changes his tune every day, he flip flops on everything, he treats others as if they are an inconvenience to him and thinks he is superior. The more the Obama-media and Obots attack me for demanding a qualified candidate, the more determined I am to abandon the democratic party. The party has disappointed me for the last 8 years: as destructive and incompetent as George Bush has been, the Congress has an even lower approval rating. What does that tell us about the democrats?
Did you get the new Talking Points Memo (Sebelius was out spouting it):
“Inexperience” now = racism
” Obama is a shell of a person: he changes his tune every day, he flip flops on everything, he treats others as if they are an inconvenience to him and thinks he is superior.”
Ditto. My sentiments exactly. I find him very rude and disrespectful. I cannot in clear conscience support Obama and yes, I’m black.
I just got my new Voter card in the mail IND now after 22 years!
Shorter Denny: “I love Obama so much that I wish he would fart and shit in my face”.
And the f’ing loser still keeps coming here.
Great comment!
ALERT – ATTACKS REACH A NEW LEVEL. uppity reports today that several bloggers have been locked out of their own blogs/cannot post.
stop-obama, one of the best announced today they won’t be doing any more daily posts – referring people to NQ.
News of negatively charged subliminal messages inserted in Hillary video clips also reported – think you can get there through insightanalytical.
AGAIN – I ASK FOR A GOOD LAWYER TO STEP FORWARD – sure we all have a worthy class action law suit – can help stop these free speech violations – and also put the public spotlight on just what the obama camp really does and stands for!
Wow……they are really upset, huh?
This country is in grave, grave danger.
McCain ‘08 on Nov. 4th.
Amen!
Last poll had McCain 45% and BO 45%. The perfect set up to feel the PUMA POWER.
Damn….we should be destroying the Republicans in the polls…DEAR GOD!!! OBAMA JUST STEP ASIDE!
Denny is obviously one of those gross-out shrieking Pfleger-type males who hate women. He couldn’t vote for Hillary because the idea of an empowered woman makes him insecure.
Little whiny Father Denny Pfleger needs only super stupid women around him. Or maybe he doesn’t like women at all. Regardless, not a real man at all, because real men don’t need only stupid women to feel secure in their manhood.
Wow like at the tools trying to make fun of women they think are “older”. What class. I guess they all hate their mothers!
Women who are older than 25 are worthless, right? ROFLMAO. Go worship Pfleger and get it over with already.
As I repeatedly said, I sensed the writer had absolutely no ill will and stated, in fact, some of my own feelings.
Sweet lady…..you guys are hard on folks!
I remember you stating this on the other thread.
But I think you nailed it on why others are harder on her than you.
You agreed with some of the points.
No disrespect to your opinion. But I felt the whole article was written to mock and insult, even in some of the better arguments she posted, she missed the crux of the geniune arguments.
So, in my opinion, the article completely ignored the real and substantive issues why PUMAs weren’t supporting him, while diminishing those same voters.
The end result is the same…don’t follow those old, bitter, fools, who can’t accept he won, they don’t know what they are talking about.
It is trying to innoculate people against the real issues PUMAs are upset about, should they happen to stumble in here. The same thing the racism label does.
Did her video make you rethink?
She’s just young. I though it was heartfelt with a bad last paragraph.
But she did capture a lot of the emotional spirit I’ve seen repeatedly stated on here.
Anyway, I appreciate Susan putting up her video. I suspected she was young.
Young writers often don’t know when they are jumping into the deep end with topics. And older editors won’t clue them in, either. LOL*
(It’s like “Great idea…..go for it!”)
She was coming from a good place, in my opinion.
I also DO think we are buzzkill. At least every chance I get. *BEG*
Actually, it was more your posts that made me rethink, on both threads and reread her article, both times.
In light of that I just reviewed her video again with kinder eyes…and a bad last paragraph…lol. It did seem more sincere and the last paragraph can even be seen as ‘I was wrong’. Instead of an insult to the PUMA emails…so I will definitely give you that.
I also agree youth and probably an attempt to reach out to a larger base of readers helped shape the article. And I could definitely see an editor telling her to jump right in, on a common theme in the media. Especially, since she had written on Clinton in the past.
It just seemed like another article in a long line of MSM that took the same route. Yet, worse in a way because it almost hit some of it, in detail, while still insulting those who disagree.
So close….yet so far away…not sure if that makes sense.
Thank you for the second looks….it always helps to see things through others.
I have always respected that you go out on your own limb. Despite the masses.
I think we both have a G@@gle in our past.
Omigosh……Karma, I recognize that! That’s terrific!
Small world, eh?
Yes, it is a small world, but it was political board that was my obsession, and I remember you there as well.
Whew…it worried me to drop that other nic…but I have admired your ability to go against the masses for a couple of years now. And remember the flak you took for going against her specifically.
It was the LOL* that clued me in and your posts that confirmed it.
Please accept my apologies if that caused you any worry.
Oh, not at all. We had a whale of a lot of fun on that deal. Nice to run into you again.
Yes, we did have quite an interesting time on that.
Their family has a wealth of weirdness. It makes you feel for the boys, and hope they don’t ‘find what they know’ as romantic partners in life. Sadly, they know it is a risk too.
It is nice to run into you as well.
Obama Announces Bold New Economic Policy To Followers in Chicago Today.
Obama: I wanted to speak to you all, because we are being reminded what bad shape our economy is in.
(audience cheering and applauding)
Obama: People are hurting. They’re having difficulty making ends meet. They can’t afford to go to the Doctors. Parents are having to choose between food or gas. (more cheering from the audience). Today Oil has climbed again to the highest price we’ve seen to date. (massive applause now from the audience of followers). And with this news, the Stock Market has taken the 2nd worst hit this year.
(cheers and applause continuing)
Obama: We need to take bold action to fix our economy. So today I am announcing I am seizing control of all personal bank accounts, savings, money markets and CD’s and investing them on the Stock Market to kick start our economy. (audience is now giving a standing ovation. Tears are flowing from all the followers in the audience)
Reporters note: I’ve never seen anything like this. Obama supporters are just so excited with the hope of his bold new policy, they are writing checks out right now and handing them to him Surely Wall Street firms will be elated with this news and I’m sure Obama’s contributions will surge this month..
(snark-in case you needed to be sure)
One of the negatives about Barack Obama is that the more you get to know him, the less appealing he becomes. I think the Salon reporter is wrong, time is not on Barack Obama’s side.
Absolutely correct and history is ALREADY showing that. Unless of course, they are still putting their hands over their eyes and ears.
Father Denny Pfleger only likes little boys
Really. I don’t think a lot of elderly people are hanging out on the Internet!
All of these rude, crude commenters are the new voters Obama touts. THEY are the bitter ones – misogynist and ageist. They must hate their mothers or something. Over 35 or 40 is old to them. Maybe it takes some life experience to recognize a con man.
Guess what. Our generation created the internet!
We are not the ones who are hung up on our candidate. We care about the process, about democracy. We even let them vote! (Maybe the age should be raised back up to 21 – ha.)
Anyway, they are helping to push us away.
PUMA!
Rebecca could better understand PUMAs’ position if she would stop using anger as her reference point. We are not angry.
PUMA
LOL*…..yes we are!
But do they distinguish between anger and hissy-fits, petulance, or tantrums?
Agreed.
This article is correct — Ms. Traister and Mr. Shapiro actually need to sit down with Hillary supporters, PUMA members and others to see what is motivating us — obviously, they take all their cues from the mainstream media and believe these idiotic talking points of bitterness and racism. This has nothing to do with anything.
How long do you think it will take them to wake up?
Yes. Anger is not the issue. Competence and character are the factors. Get over it stinky.
Do you know what the Pumas said? “Inadequate whiny Pfleger-type child molester meat is foul, don’t eat it, just hunt it down.”
I don’t know what it is but there is definitely something major wrong with Pfleger and almost anyone else associated with TUC, past, present and future.
A McCain win is the perfect set up for Hillary 2012:
1. Obama and Dean would be humiliated and gone.
2. Obots will be too busy crying racism while Hillary supporters take back the party. We told ya to nominate Hillary.
3. Repubs will be at each others throats for 4 years – just think of Rush Limbaugh spiraling into deep depression because of McCain.
4. Dems in Congress work with McCain on stuff they like and block the right wing stuff. Rush quits radio in protest and starts 3rd party. LOL
“4. Dems in Congress work with McCain on stuff they like and block the right wing stuff. Rush quits radio in protest and starts 3rd party. LOL”
McCain does what current POTUS does so well. Veto.
These kids have no respect. Not one ounce in their sugar fueled bodies! I know we all get passionate about our candidates. I too was idealistic at that age, but what I have never encountered is the viciousness of these little monsters.
They have no problem calling a woman a B****, or a WhO**!
They have no problem with acts of vandalism. What they do not understand is that they will reap what they sow. Many of us cut our teeth in some nasty parts of the world and we have no problem meeting these threats head on! I for one would like for one of these X-Box babies to get in my face and try to harass me. I will show them just what a good old fashion ass whooping is all about .
Rebecca Traister must be trying out to be the left wing Laura Ingraham.
The arrogance of these activists is going to bite Obama in the rear end come November.
I now understand how Nixon won 49 states and 60% of the vote in 1972. The loony “elitist” left knows nothing about talking with people whom they do not agree with.
Exactly.
Traister is in over her head.
They are so used to groupthink, when they come across people thinking for themselves, they are deer in the headlights.
http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/womens_rights/002044.php
I was a hard-core democrat. I am so grossed out by my party now. If no Hillary, then McCain! See you later, fellow Pumas. Remember, don’t eat the rancid meat. Just leave it there to rot.
No way is BO going to win. ROFLMAO!
Why is Karl Rove smiling?
I wonder if Clinton/McCain cross-over voters will still be laughing a couple of years into the presidency of John McCain…
It’s very odd that people would make their minds up without even knowning who McCain’s running mate might be. Particularly considering John McCain’s age and past health issues. Any prudent voter should scrutinize McCain’s running mate every bit as closely as McCain himself.
You’re committing at this point not even knowning what you might be committing to.
Keep this in mind. McCain could go one of two ways: He might select a running mate to attempt to appeal to disaffected Clinton supporters; or, he might select somebody farther to the right than himself, to attempt to appease disaffected conservatives who see him as being way too liberal.
How’s about this combo? John McCain/Atilla the Hun 2008
Well the same argument could be made for supporting Obama.
You don’t know what he stands for since he has flip-flopped on all his policies while stealing other candidate’s talking points he ridiculed before they left the race.
It just seems like a quest for money and power when you look at Obama’s history.
However, with Atilla….at least you KNOW what he stands for….a quest for money and power.
Yep, it certainly could be.
I’m not so sold on Obama that I won’t carefully consider who he pairs up with. That’s probably every bit as important to consider as John McCain’s running mate.
I truly loath saying this, but I’ll say it anyway. McCain has age and health issues. Obama has something else to worry about. I cringe every time I see the man wade into an enthusiastic crowd.
This just came to my email.. Scary
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bolton_israel_iran/2008/06/25/107224.html?s=al&promo_code=64FD-1
I heard it on the news about an hour ago. Scary, indeed.
If Obama get elected, Iran gets bombed. If McCain get elected, Iran gets bombed.
In light of the news, maybe I should consider McCain. After all, he’s already got the song down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
Ms. Traister’s little video was a slice and dice of a prepared statement from BO’s legal department.
Her journalism skills, having read her ink, are non existent.
The article was no more than what one might write in a personal journal as an exercise in fantasy.
Who is “they”? Just another hack taking potshots from the 50th floor on 7th ave.
It would have been more interesting if the effort had been sincere.
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On C-Span 2 on the senate floor, BO is on the floor sucking up to all the Dem igits…across the way the rethugs are givin ‘em the “eye”. As if from passage by Mark Twain,….Harry Reid by himself looking at ahead in to the void..
In walks Senator Clinton from the republican side and she votes yes on Medical Cloture. “Senator Clinton” Senator Clinton Votes Eye” BO ignores her while talking to Chucky. Medicare cloture fails, Jammed by the Rethug monkey wrench gang.
Rebecca Traister is:
- A poor writer
- A worse ‘analyst’
- Not someone who should be on camera
- A fool
‘becca, did you think your weak writing was going to ‘convince’ anyone to fall in line with the Ofraudman?
Seriously, how dumb are these people?
I’m imagining what was going through ‘becs mind:
“If I, wannabe Cool Gurl for Salon, write that the Clinton Supporter women (uh, what about the men, moron?) are bitter, etc., they will be so afraid of MY calling them unhip and such, they will IMMEDIATELY turn to my lord and leige, Ofraudma.”
Not how it works, chick. You have much to learn about how the game goes, it would seem.
But there will be plenty of time for that after you take some remedial writing classes. Whoever thought they taught you how to write must be rolling over in his or her grave after reading your tripe.
Freaking rookies and amateurs. Yeesh.
Exactly.
Reading that hot mess trying to pass for an article, I quickly got the impression Traister was a lightweight and a fool.
Her worst offense was her TERRIBLE writing.
If she ever took an English or journalism class in college, I’d be surprised. And if she ever got better than a C-, there are some professors out there who should lose their jobs.
Amen, msindy.
Let’s call it what it is: This is a young wannabe who thinks she can ride this issue via a flippant article and some YouTubes and get in good with the Bambians and score some points with her Salon bosses.
It’s as transparent as the hooker’s dress on the corner.
Rebecca: Whoever told you this was good idea flat-out lied to you. You look like an utter fool and, unfortunately, your mindlessness is now on broadcast to the world via YouTube.
Good luck with finding your next job after Salon. You don’t post videos essentially telling the world not to hire you as you have done and progress well in your career.
I almost feel bad for the girl.
Just a thought:
Why would one go HOME to the DNC. One can’t go home when one’s parents’ are dead.
The DNC is dead – gone – finished – absolutely and totally – THE END!
THIRD PARTY needed desparately.
Hillary Clinton today:
“I know this was a hard fought primary campaign, and I am very grateful for the passion and determination of those who supported me,” she said as an audience member screamed, “we love you Hillary!”
“But every issue you care about personally,” she continued, “every issue your constituents care about and every issue (we’re) fighting for is really at risk. We cannot afford four more years of the same. It wouldn’t be good for us. We have to chart a new course and we cannot do that without electing Senator Obama our next president.”
I’m afraid around here, Hillary might as well have had her microphone turned off. And your direct quote might as well have been posted using invisible text.
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Just checked my email:
“An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll out Thursday shows Obama has won over slightly more than half of Clinton’s former supporters. About a quarter of Clinton’s backers say they will support McCain over Obama.”
That should be enough but I think the numbers will increase for McCain as BHO keeps talking. Timing is everything…and after the convention we’ll see something closer to the truth.
God forbid anyone Kill your buzz Rebecca. Your generation of totally friggin cool ultrahip intellectuals have to have everything be fun, a trip , a buzz cuz u deserve not to be bored and have everything fun and easy. Yeah, we get it. When we want your stinking opimion we will ask for it.
I have a couple of friends who don’t care that Obama has become the turn coat. They are angry and they don’t agree with his flip flops. In fact they oppose his new found stance on these issues in the news FISA Immunity, death penalty, and all the others. These friends are so brainwashed by the media and the DNC and can’t live without the kool-aid that they will vote for him and it doesn’t matter what he does because at all cost they want a Democrat to WIN.
Personally they really don’t pay as much attention as the rest of us do and so when these things are pointed out to them – they don’t think it matters.
Democracy is dead. There is no news – it’s all opinion.
There are many of us who will not reward the Democrats for being just as bad or in some cases worse than the Republicans are for this country.
I am swaying some friends, getting the ass from others, and afraid to even talk to the Obama kool-aid drinkers.
I’ll tell you one thing I know people who are saying they will vote for Obama – BUT they know damn good and well that they see what is happening and they will NOT.
The Democrats need an open primary one vote for one person. No wonder the Democrats can’t win they are insane “continue to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. The Democratic party needs an introvention. Lets give them one this August in Denver. Take the Party Back! Open ballot at the convention!
Did you miss Paglia’s article June 11- Geez! What an elitist, hateful bitch!
Ms. Traister says she wants to hear our reasons we don’t want bo at current.com? Me thinks she simply doesn’t want them in her mailbox… and wants to flood our mailboxes instead. I fell for it anyway and wish I hadn’t. Right now I have a very low opinion of Ms. Traister about as low as my opinion of bo… and that’s pretty bad. Anyway, I signed up and current.com and it appears to be a bunch of koolaid kids there… Ms. Traister’s drinking buddies, no doubt.
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