Totalitarian Tactics and an Illegitimate Nominee
By Bud White on June 27, 2008 at 6:39 PM in Barack Obama, Bloggers, Bolshevikization, Censorship, Cultist Thugs, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Democratic Party, John F. Kennedy, Media Bias, Misogyny, Race Card, Sexism, Women, Women's Suffrage
Neither the main stream media nor the Democratic Party nor even the Obama campaign itself has come to terms with the damage Obama’s tactics have done to our Party. The damage was facilitated by the media and the big blogs.
Obama’s first task was controlling the media. Politicalcenter writes:
Taking their cue from totalitarian regimes, Obama developed his own propaganda arm which spewed facts and figures to the media and made false claims designed to keep controversial issues dealing with the candidate off of the main stream media. At the same time, Obama attacked in merciless ways those who voiced opposition on various Internet systems and sources, including the media who dared to question him, and has now stopped debates in favor of tuning his message against McCain again with the help of completely compliant media.
Consider that there’s a growing movement of determined progressives who are committed to Obama’s defeat. Our swelling numbers and strength of purpose are actually pretty shocking when you stop and think about it. The PUMA movement isn’t bitter or small; it’s radical and revolutionary: This is how parties are born and die. You are living history. SusanUnPC writes:
Hundreds of thousands of Hillary Clinton supporters will NEVER vote for Barack Obama. And a great many will vote for John McCain simply because they believe he is qualified to be president, and that Barack Obama is NOT qualified or experienced enough — and we’re worried sick about such a teleprompter-dependent neophyte being handed the toughest job in the world.
In addition to Obama’s race-baiting and thuggish tactics, Anglachel suggests that Obama’s problem is the illegitimacy of his nomination:
The increasing rejection of Obama by voters is a measure of his declining legitimacy. People who once thought they would gladly vote for him, like me, are now implacably opposed to him. He is no longer legitimate in our eyes…Participating in and profiting from the media hatred of the Clintons, throwing out accusations of racism to try to forestall criticism and inflate AA vote counts, encouraging people to be “Obamacans” not Democrats, the “Democrat for a Day” strategy, engaging in intimidation and threats to extract caucus votes, aggressively trying to monopolize money specifically to silence alternative voices, and treating voters who do not choose him first with contempt.
As Anglachel writes, there are several million of us who feel that Obama’s nomination is illegitimate, that his tactics are counter to our values as progressives, and that he is not the unity figure he claims to be. Indeed, Obama wears two masks: at one moment he gives high-minded speeches, at the next he is accusing Bill Clinton, a beloved former president, of racism.
As progressives, we are repulsed by the totalitarian nature of Obama’s candidacy — creating a cult of personality, the venom espoused by his adherents, the delegate stealing — tactics that are repugnant to the many who have spent a lifetime working for democracy and social justice.
Almost four years ago at DailyKos, DemFromCT wrote about Bush in ways which seem even more fitting for Obama today:
I was intrigued to hear some of the theories on the talking heads shows; it’s culture issues, not class economic issues. Kerry’s reality-based, Bush is not. Bush has run for four years to select and indoctrinate those who believe him and everyone else is against him.
During this primary season, Obama’s campaign used the big blogs as instruments to indoctrinate progressives and silence the opposition. Take the strike of DailyKos, for example. Imagine that this had happened at a progressive company: a group of women and men complain to management about rampant sexism and abuse. The manager, Kos in this case, regardless of his own agenda, would investigate and set limits on abusive language and behavior. Instead Kos, the proprietor of the biggest liberal blog, in a moment of unbelievable arrogance, calls their strike “laughable.” Feminism, justice, and respect are thrown out in favor of one candidate.
Politicalcenter continues:
The propaganda process was carefully managed turning everything damaging to Obama into racist or irrelevant issues. These included blatant refusals to print or to discuss clearly relevant issues to claims that any discussion was racism. Obama did not care about the truth. Only the message.
From this vantage point, Obama’s continual attacks on Hillary Clinton supporters were continually repeated through numerous MSM channels with little or no questioning and constant support for the Obama view of the truth. Obama thereby created the most one-sided message system ever developed in US politics.
The PUMA movement is the classic liberal fight against injustice. The ancestors to Just Say No Deal PUMAs are the abolitionists, the suffragettes, the labor movement, and the civil rights movement. We’re not bound to a particular party or a candidate. We’re joined together by our values. John Kennedy famously defined liberalism as:
not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
Based on our progressive values, we reject Obama’s use of race-baiting and sexism as political tools — although ignored by the press and perpetuated by bloggers — we have documented it and are emboldened by these injustices:
Indeed, to this day, the Democrats have continued to use racism wherever they turn. From the Wright controversy, where Dean called the coverage racist, to the war against Geraldine Ferraro claiming that she is a racist, Obama has turned the tables dramatically against free speech and toward some other place that we dare not go or discuss.
Our movement faces ridicule and obstacles but is born out of our principles, and we will not be silenced. We believe that Obama’s defeat will strengthen the progressive cause long-term, we vote our conscience and we will not be bullied into supporting a candidate and movement who consistently violates the progressive tenets that include free thought and expression.
Riverdaughter perfectly expresses the progressive’s rational to reject to Obama. She writes:
Time is not going to heal this wound. Oh, I take that back. If I wake up on Nov. 5 to find that Barack Obama, the inexperienced, untested, unvetted, lightweight candidate who we counted on you to stop, if I find that he is NOT my president, I will finally be over it. If the man who called me a racist because I thought he was unready does not take the oath in January, I will be satisfied. If all the people he threw under the bus, the old, poor, working class, Appalachians, woman, latinos, asians, gay and Muslims find that the Democratic Party is now genuinely shocked and chastened for screwing us over as well as any Republican would have done, then we will have exercised our power.
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Just tell me when the busses to DNC headquarters are loading. I can’t believe I can buy a cap and t-shirt and sit in on a conference call with John McCain, and digest every moment of the last 20 years of Barack Obama’s life but there’s no organized protest to shut the DNC down for attempting a coup de tat. Somebody please explain it to me.
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Hey Mr. Teleprompter! Why are you scared of debating McCain? Your cries of “racism, racism, racism,” are sooo BORING. Not all white folk are stupid!
PUMA’s Of all stripes!
Native American’s Against Obama -Where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8
NO UNITY!
NO DEAL!
Look, Obama is not “illegitimate” nor is the Democratic nomination process “totalitarian”. You folks posting here would be a lot more convincing towards people who don’t already agree with you if you didn’t make such hysterical statements. He’s not illegitimate because, for one thing, he hasn’t been formally nominated yet. However, he has been endorsed by the only possible opposing candidate. As far as the nomination race goes the fact that there is an election at all with multiple candidates indicates that nothing “totalitarian” has occurred. Those unfortunate people in the world who DO live in totalitarian regimes – for example, China – would laugh at such an odd claim from a US Democrat, claiming to be put down by “totalitarianism”.
Hillary Clinton is now actively campaigning for Obama. Your vote is of course your own but the candidate you claim to support has endorsed this other figure you seem to have an over-the-top, unjustifiable and irrational hatred for and you can no longer use her candidacy as a soapbox for your venting of your own anger because she herself has endorsed him.
Finally, making these ridiculous and dubious allegations on this web site – using hysterically vitriolic language – really only makes you inaccessible to people who otherwise might try more to understand your viewpoint.
Than ask Obama to DEBATE DEBATE DEBATE. He can’t, he sounds like a bumbling moron when he is not scripted.
The statements are certainly not hysterical and the passage of time does not dim the outrage.
HRC may suggest and encourage us to vote for him, just as she suggested and encouraged us to vote for her.
We have the right, obligation and duty to evaluate those suggestions and make our own choices.
Having done so, we are not obligated to recruit anyone else.
We simply find solace and comfort in the company of like-minded people.
Those who disagree are free to go elswhere.
What’s so hard to understand about that?
josgirl — I have never voted Republican in my life but I am comfortable voting for McCain. He loves this country as do I and 4 years from now this nation will still be a Democracy with him at the helm. To me Obama is not a Democrat — He is the brainchild of Corporate Whores who control the media and have pushed him 24/7. It is our country too and our votes should matter as much as those with the big checks. PUMA
I’ve never voted Republican – ever – for the first time in 27-years I will vote McCain. Be A Democrat – Vote McCain
fdrjim:
If you vote for McCain you will still have an unbroken record of voting Democrat.
The only ones who are using “hysterically vitriolic language” as you so pompously put it, are obamabots like you.
We regular folks are just going about trying to save our country from this nightmare of a candidate.
Republican for a day on Nov. 4th!
I am not an “obamabot” or whatever you called me. I was not particularly thrilled with him and he was not my first choice of candidate. I also do not find anything I wrote remotely vitriolic. I am not trying to get you to “support obama”, in fact, I don’t really care who you support. I am merely pointing out to you that you no longer have the option of using Hillary Clinton’s campaign as a soapbox to stand upon while venting your hatred of Obama because she has endorsed him, and is actively campaigning for him, and has stated that she wants her supporters (and donors) to get behind him. So you probably need to quit appropriating her image and her campaign and her political platform and ideology as your own, because you are actively opposing her at this point, and purely for reasons of your own -
Her donors are not jumping on the unity pony, either.
She asked them nicely, too.
You gonna pester them?
Fred, when I read your posts, I feel like I’m listening to Dan Quayle.
That’s very sad.
Dan Quayle will be voting for John McCain this year. Enjoy the company –
(PS – insulting me doesn’t reduce the truth of what I wrote.)
Well when you vote for Barack, just remember all of his quaylisms:
57 states
10000 died in Kansas
uncle liberating Auchwitz
Hello Sunshine
Typical white person
Lied on his first TV ad (
Present , present, present
uh, uh, uh, (without teleprompter)
I think Dan Quayle is an idiot.
And your childish platitudes in regard to insults, which in fact point to truth, are tiresome.
No point in arguing tactics with the unqualified.
Can you kind of see it?
LOL
Hunh?????
you just exposed yourself for what you really are.
Kind of like what Obama does.
Dearest Fred,
You are very confused. It’s no surprise many people are. Let me spell it out for you…
We are not,
‘…appropriating her image and her campaign and her political platform and ideology…’ for the simple reason Fred that, now listen very closely Fred, she….
Does not own those things.
Do you really think she owns single-payer health care or ‘…taking care of our troop when the return home…’ because she’s spoken out about said issues. Does she own every idea she puts forth whether or not it was hers to begins with?
I think not Fred. Your problem, and many Americans suffer from it, is you want somebody to tell you what to do. You don’t have the stones to stand up and ask for what you need. You look around and align yourself with the ’strong man’ you find most agreeable.
Your a sad individual but I’d not worry too much about you…
Except when an accomplished Demagogue like Barry comes along. He’s dangerous because you believe the drivel that comes out of his pie hole.
Fortunately the number of scared and frightened folks like yourself is on the decline.
The citizenry is awake to Barry and his totalitarian mindset. The fact that you want to argue that point really shows you for what you are.
A man desperate for someone to follow.
As Ben Franklin noted so long ago you are a menace to our Republic sir.
That’s what you are.
To be honest, when you got to the part about how “I need someone to tell me what to do” I pretty much quit reading. I do appreciate your effort to respond to me but until you can respond to someone with a different viewpoint than yourself with something besides massive hostility and insults, we aren’t gonna be able to talk.
PS – Hillary Clinton assuredly DOES own her own image and political ideology. That’s why she was running for office, not you. You don’t own her image, her ideology, or her campaign.
PPS – Speaking of appropriation, I don’t think you have any business coopting the image and history of Benjamin Franklin, a figure who probably wouldn’t have had much respect for your insulting and condescending comments to me. He was another figure who succeeded in intellectual life for real who has been repeatedly appropriated by an endless number of figures such as (sadly) yourself who don’t, apparently, think on his kind of level, and instead try to associate themselves in the minds of others with more impressive figures.
G’night -
I think you’re not qualified to offer intelligent analyzation, so I don’t bother.
You dont know you’re unqualified, and you proceed, as if you’re effective.
Tha’s the problem when you can’t understand why you’re weak.
Poor Fred can’t offer intelligent “analyzation,” huh? This is why I cannot stop reading NQ; you people are priceless. LOL.
Fred,
Why does Obama display a fake birth certificate on his ‘fight the smears’
web page?
Nyah! nyah! nyah!
You can’t make me vote for Hussein Obama, and apparently there at least 47% of us who ain’t buying Obama’s bullshit. Take that poll back to Dailykooks!
FRED, WHY DO YOU NOT GET THE CONCEPT OF “YOU OWN YOUR VOTE”. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO US THAT HILLARY IS SUPPORTING OVOMIT. WE ARE NOT SHEEP AND WE THINK FOR OURSELVES. GET OVER IT. PUMA
baghdadobama Well said. Whether Hillary supports Obama means very little to me. I have to live with the consequences of another amateur in the White House–I will never vote for Obama PUMA
If you read through this site, you’ll find out that people here, unlike the Obamaholics, do not follow Hillary blindly. They are free thinkers
Hear Hear
Obama loses in 2008. Clinton wins 2012. We are starting early here.
PUMA
Yeah, Yeah we know, you used to support Hillary, you have advanced degrees from an Ivy League and you make millions while only working part time. We’ve heard it all before. Why don’t you jackoffs go f*** yourself. Oh, I forgot, and you have a black relative. Have I covered it all? Oops, and you served in Nam.
“Why don’t you jackoffs go f*** yourself.”
This is what I am increasingly noticing about this site — aside from the amusing spectacle of low IQ people trying to condescend to their betters and winding up inventing words like “analyzation” — the shocking degree of unwarranted hostility; the sheer unrestrained vitriol. Calling a writer like Fred, who has been entirely polite on this thread, a “jackoff” who should go f*** himself. Why? Because he has the effontrey to say critical words about what passes for thought on this website?
When this is all over — when Obama is president and the Republic still stands — I wonder what you regular posters on NQ are going to do with all this anger.
sf — I disagree with the premise that the Republica will still stand if Obama is President because frankly we have no clue about what Obama will do. Cause its all about Obama the Rock Star and nothing about the rest of us. You make an amateur President and the chances of his being successful are slim and none. McCain can and will be a great president. PUMA
just for your edification, ‘analyzation’ is most definitely a word. please look it up.
You mean effrontery.
wunderful
LOL!!! sfhillary, open a dictionary.
“Analyzation” is a word, and it does not refer to the perverted act you are performing on yourself with the Unity Dildo
How about the DNC totally manipulating – no, fixing the election by reworking the rules for certain Obama-leaning states while eliminating Clinton-leaning states? Hillary has to do what she has to do and we understand that. However, we will not forgive the DNC nor will we vote for the selected not elected candidate.
All elections are used to illustrate points. This primary will also be used to illustrate the point of the problems within the party. It will be written about for YEARS regarding the sexism seen.
Hillary is bigger than Hillary. Heck, she always has been. So there’s nothing new about her being a focal point.
Most of us have moved forward. We’re alot more about defeating the current party leaders and their gang of insider boyz who have made a horrible mistake to think they could trick voters.
NO DEAL!
Hillary is not actively campaigning for Obama. She is doing the minimum necessary to maintain appearances on behalf of the Democratic Party, in case it survives this fiasco. It is still not clear whether that will be the case – or whether a new centrist/moderate alternative movement will attract the base and assume power as Obama implodes and the DNC goes bankrupt.
“Republican for a day on Nov. 4th!”
Oh what fitting justice that would be!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton_18
No vote at the convention? That’s near authoritarian.
Clinton has a team of lawyers working on it.
Her speech sounds like it’s already after the convention. Why is she endorsing him for president?
I have never seen anything like it.
She needs to be prez not him..Is’t she gettig a fair shake at the convetion? She still has her delegates.
Do all the rest of the candidates get a roll call as well, for all of *their* supporters? And frankly, the word “totalitarian” is just over the top. You’re talking about an institutionalized representative democracy in the US, using the words “totalitarian”. The two political parties allow the general public to vote – and then the general public votes on the nominees. In a totalitarian system, for example, China, there is one political party, it is inseparable from the national government, its leaders are chosen by committee at the top level of the party, and public dissent results in prison (life long hard labor) or execution. I can understand that you want a roll call at the convention. That makes sense to me, so long as we roll call ALL the candidates, not just one who is ahead and the closest challenger who is your preference. But trying to make (repeated, on this web site) statements about “totalitarianism” is over-the-top.
Thanks for responding to what I wrote, rather than just calling me “robot” or whatever.
“Do the rest of the candidates…”
As far as I know, yes.
Asking a contender in the primaries to drop out of the race or even suggesting that they not be represented in a roll call at the convention is unprecedented as far as I know.
Trampling and outright denying dissent is indeed the MO of all totalitarian systems of both the right and the left.
Edward Kennedy had a roll call in 1980. Bradley had a roll call in 2000. Hell there was even a roll call in 2004. Now perhaps you see nothing unsettling about the suppression of a roll call in 2008. And perhaps it doesn’t bother you in the least that the DNC has moved its offices to Chicago. But don’t try to pretend that those who are bothered are idiots. Just because the anti-democratic nature of the American political process is less primitive and overt than its Chinese counterpart doesn’t mean that there isn’t a justifiable cause for concern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCeImyvNnZ0
“…its leaders are chosen by committee at the top level of the party…”
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Kind of like Dean, Brazile, and Pelosi.
Fred please stop…Barri was not chosen by “the public”…he was CHOSEN by the committee. What is it about MI, DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND or a Caucus for that matter…a few making the choice for the many.
You are just like Obama, drivel on and on, with regards to how wrong the members of this forum are, yet never able to understand, or even make an attempt to understand the differing points.
Your pathetic scribbling are just like Barri’s policies, full of opinions and devoid of facts.
fred — You know nothing about Conventions–or how the nomination process works. If you did you might be a little annoyed at Obama and the way he has gamed the system.
Fred,
It is traditional to have a roll call vote to determine how many votes each candidate has. If not one candidate has the required majority then additional roll calls are taken and in the interim representatives of a candidate can bargin with individuals to persuade a delegate to change his or her support from one candidate to another.
Brokered conventions were the norm and FDR was the nominee from the 1932 convention which was a brokered one.
At this point in time, Obama is the presumptive nominee. He will not be the official nominee until after the convention.
To forego having a roll call vote does not give the delegates that were selected during the primary a chance to cast their votes, nor does it give the superdelegates (who exist to prevent the party from selecting someone unqualified) to change their support in the event that Obama becomes a train wreck between now and August.
I do not intend to vote for McCain in November if it is a contest between Obama and McCain nor will I vote for Obama.
I hope that between now and the convention in August that it will be apparent that Obama’s background does not make him a suitable nominee and Hillary will emerge from the convention as the nominee.
You might be uncomfortable about the statements made above but can you categorically deny that the events reported DID NOT HAPPEN?
Obama is a joke to me. Really. I see right through him. And so do millions of others.
Poor Obamarhoids. You still can’t comprehend the irreparable damage you’ve caused from the very top (Obama)down(cyber bullies).
I suspect the main reason camp Obama and the media thought they could smear the Clintons with impunity is the myth that Hillary is such a polarizing figure that regardless of how she was treated we would all just in line.
You seriously underestimated the loyalty of her supporters and recklessly overdid the vicious and personal attacks on both Clintons.
Obamabots have not yet understood the very real enormity of what they unleashed. You awoke sleeping lions…or rather pumas and we will NOT be tamed, caged or otherwise subdued. Get over it!
To quote WWII Japanese Admiral Yamamoto:
“I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”
Listening you Obamasheep?
Obama winning the nomination is as legitimate as GWB winning in 2000 and 2004. Why am I “hysterical” if I refuse to support the most unqualified candidate the Democratic Party has come up with in a very long time? Hillary can support whoever she pleases, and I will do the same. I’m sure she has personal reasons for what she is doing. I personally will never vote for Obama because I don’t want our military in the hands of a man who does not remotely have a good grasp on world affairs. Oh, and if the allegations on this site are so ridiculous and dubious, refute them, but please use facts; I’m willing to listen to your arguments. Just please don’t use the words Hope, Change, or Unity.
Fred, you know those words were used figuratively. To suggest otherwise is just looking for an argument. For you to claim we use hysterically vitriolic language, must be your way of insulting the women here. We know the word hysterical is used to describe womens emotions, we’ve heard it all our lives. So don’t be coy.
Look, Fred. First off, you’re a condescending ASSHOLE. Any motherfucker that addresses me with “Look,…” and “You folks…” and then proceeds to speak to me in patronizing tones while telling me how to act and behave is pitiable and contemptible shit. Secondly, true to your nature as a MINDLESS FOLLOWER, you’re incapable of recognizing the irony of what you write. Do you not realize that you have FOLLOWED us here from places like Dkos, Americablog, Huffingtonpost and TPM, places from which we were HOUNDED and BANNED? We CAME here because we, as well as our candidate, were subjected to, as you put it:
–”ridiculous and dubious allegations”, –”hysterically vitriolic language”,
–”over-the-top, unjustifiable and irrational hatred”,
So spare me the accusations that this place is a “soapbox for your venting of your own anger”–boy, YOU certainly know something about that, don’t you?
And you can keep your snide, facile comparisons…”Those unfortunate people in the world who DO live in totalitarian regimes – for example, China – would laugh at such an odd claim from a US Democrat, claiming to be put down by “totalitarianism” How ironic coming from the likes of you, ASSHOLE.
Bravo Kimmy!!!!!!
I was banned from Huffington a few months ago.
Never posted any personal attacks..all I did was defend Hillary with FACTS!
So Fred..don’t come here defending the indefensible!
“Comment by LilRod | 2008-06-27 20:50:23
I was banned from Huffington a few months ago.
Never posted any personal attacks..all I did was defend Hillary with FACTS!
So Fred..don’t come here defending the indefensible!”
Same with me at america blog, the chithead there John would not allow ANY pro-Hillary posts and took great glee in letting other pro-Obama posters write the most vile chit about Hillary, he even made tons of his own vile comments
.
The Obamabots drank the kool-aid , then have the nerve to come over here and tell us how to vote and behave, get over it Obamabots, I will NEVER vote for Obama and I tell as many other people the same thing, I also inform them about Obambi’s dark side and nefarious past and present crooked friends!!
Ditto, LilRod. I was banned on Huff&Puff for trying to reason for moderation and being against attacking another Democrat. At first I thought some error had occurred but no, it’s all Obama or nada. Very democratic.
I detest being called folks! It’s almost as bad as you people.
Yes, it is so much better to be called “friend” by someone who isn’t one.
kimmy you go girl ^5 ^5
I feel no empathy for you Fred. (Basset hound?) It is not about Senator Clinton any more.
As for you comparing human beings living under Communist China totalitarianism, I beg to differ.
They would not be laughing. They would recognize, in an instant, what is occurring and call it for what it is, Totalitarianism.
Now mix in a little DSA, Acorn, Frank Marshall, Ayers, BLT,(hold the 2 tomato packets) Rezko, Auchi and all the welfare distributing communistic clowns, and you are sitting on a powder keg. You own it and your sitting on it.
Bud White, the authors he sites and MILLIONS of US Citizens are calling BO out on his BULLSHIT.
As late as today, BO was up there talking about women and high heeled shoes, while Senator Clinton was on stage with him. The BO ass-clown has no manners or brains. I suspect he had Rezko put those in a trust like he did with his “Mansion”.
His sly reference to Ann Richards who, if she were still with us, would laugh in his face.
Belittleling our outrage over Obama hijacking the Dem nomination does nothing to change anyone’s mind. Just the opposite and you are too dense to even understand how offensive your attitude is.
Your is exactly the same brand of patronizing we got from the Obama camp before you knocked off and knocked up Hillary. Go away. Stop wasting our time and space on this forum.
Mr. Obama has won nothing but a place along side Mr. Bush in the category of stolen elections.
When you receive votes belonging to other candidates to force your delegate count upwards you are an illegitimate candidate. When you begin to refer to your “second term” when you have yet to be nominated for your first it smacks of totalitarian.
When you assume that We the People not only only owe you our vote but that you are entitled to it, you have crossed the line of Democracy and entered that dark realm of corrupt government that our ancestors fought to escape.
We owe Mr. Obama nothing; but Mr. Obama owes us a lot more than he is willing to give if he wants to be our Public Servant. And he can start by giving us a look at that mysterious birth certificate and those secret medical records.
The only thing he has to fear is equal justice from Prosecutor Fitzgerald.
fred,
I lived in a totalitarian regime. I know one by the smell. Your candidate smells.
PUMAs are wise to recognize and call out totalitarian tactics when they see them. After the election it may be too late to do anything about it, so Obama must be stopped now.
We don’t care what you think. We’re tired of trying to talk to you. We’re tired of your crappy minimizing, which is what the article is specifically addressing. We’re tired of your tactics.
We refuse to play the game your way any longer.
if you don’t like it, leave. we know the truth. you apparently don’t. Leave this blog, troll.
Here is an example – controlling the media:
Gretta Van Susteren is reporting that Barack Obama’s campaign is dictating the media appearances for Al Sharpton. Sharpton than goes on CNN and outs Anderson Cooper as ordered by the campaign.
http://media.nationalreview.com/
http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/cooper_0625.html
Sharpton just did a bad thing.
The question is Why? Is Cooper not taking ordeers?
Sharpton’s counting his chickens before they’ve hatched.
Maybe Cooper’s got a story coming up that camp Obama got wind of? I think I read somewhere that Copper’s mom is a Clinton fundraiser.
Sharpton’s mouth overloads his brain.
He’s an idiot who comes down on the wrong side of any controversy.
Funny, I took the comment to mean Cooper is going to Hell for being on CNN…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8 (with Madonna’s Vogue)
I think this is going to be a pro McCain video.
Thanks Bud for writing this! Very eye-opening.
obama should have waited, it wasn’t his time
He or Blagojevich need to remove Fitzgerald, and they can only do that by winning the POTUS.
Actually, yes, I think you’re right.
And since the Chicago line stretches to Washington, (and I’m going to go out on a limb here), I’d say the corruption, particularly in Iraq, flows right to the Pentagon, too, more and more people are likely, nervous.
And then we will see the hysterical push to remove Fitz.
I’m with Fitz, though, I hope he sees right through the crap, and the hysterics.
If they let him live that long.
The death threats and the “blood in the streets” comment do worry me. It feels like Germany in the 30s.
Blago will probably be on trial by November.
Do any of you remember my telling you months ago that Chicago pols usually are indicted before they can run for potus? That’s why there has never been a president form Chicago.
You’re right. Maybe 100 years from now he can try again.
“We are one party, and we are one America.”
UNITY!
WE ARE ONE PARTY AND WE ARE NOT UNITED, PARTY UNITED MY ASS ! BIRTH OF A MOVEMENT, DOWN WITH THE “OBAMA MOVEMENT”. FLUSH, FLUSH…..ROAR, PUMA’S
“We are one party, and we are one America.”
I guess this would be the obot talking point of the day…
Thing is, I have always been Independent and there’s no way in hell I’ll be voting for Comrade Obama.
Nobody owns MY vote. Choices are:
A. Hillary Clinton
B. John McCain.
C. oh right, there is no C – BO doesn’t qualify to be a valid choice.
I guess this would be the obot talking point of the day…
Well, the words came straight from the mouth of Hillary Clinton. She rocks!
I agree with you.
That’s why I left the party.
Yes, and that’s why I’m going with Option B: McCain.
Actually, I understand that Hillary did what she had to do today.
WIRM (what I really meant) is that if Hillary is truly out of this race as the nominee, then the second best choice is McCain. I didn’t mean to dis Hillary.
By the way Undercover, I LOVE your screen name. Overtly covert. Or is that covertly overt? Either way, very cleverly satirical.
Yes she does rock! Obama on the other hand, sucks.
And you, undercoverblackman, suck. BLMA!!! (Black liberation theology my ass)
Forgot the T. Temper,temper.
Ever seen Clyde’s Unity Carousel? It’s kind of like that.
Yes, the Unity Carousel is my favorite! ROFLMAO!! I especially like BO as the clown in the middle. And that Unity pony sure is naughty…
It’s a very apt term. Carousels go nowhere, only around in circles.
We are united….in defeating that thug from Chicago Nobama.
Give this man some pom poms!
Unadulterated flapdoodle!
What party are you talking about?
Country Before Party!
UBM; totalitarianism..?
Bite me
DISUNITY!
I’m a registered Independent now, UBM. you can have your party. Just not my vote.
We are not a party, we’re a Democratic/Republic being run by two political parties that have NO Constitutional authority to select a presidential candidate for us.
We are not united under any political banner. We’re made up of Republicans split by the Perot faction, Democrats split by the Obama faction and many more third parties and a very large group known as Independents who aren’t loyal to any political party.
And at the moment, you Obama loyalists are watching the creation of an ideological movement that is growing exponentially called P.U.M.A. Now that’s America!
undercover black man — We are not one party and UNITY is Bull Shit.
Gee, this was so stupid it made me laugh. Whoo.
Keep Your Unity Dildo under the covers, Blackman!
No one here wants to see you waving that grotesquerie around!
Now Obama rejects the Fairness Doctrine–in keeping with his Bushian political center.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html?desc=topstory
Moveon must be having a stroke.
Just wait till he rejects his rejections.
ROFLMAO
good i hope Move on gets their doors shut..and shut in Soros..remember Obama said none of his obamabrats should send money to anyone but him!
I hope they all fold!
fly
What’s left for him to change his mind on?
his beeotchy wifey
Despite its name, the Fairness Doctrine would have the effect of chilling free speech. It would put government in charge of moderating the free marketplace of ideas.
It is a corporate owned mass media.
Free speech is already OBVIOUSLY the victim.
The Fairness Doctrine will force more venues for all points of views…thus encouraging and formenting the free flow of ideas.
There is a reason that the US rates so low for a free press. It is incredibly embarrassing
OMG..can Obama ever agree with Obama?
What a pathetic human being
I lost count. Was that a Flip or a Flop?
I agree that PUMA is radical and revolutionary. Having worked with the Green Party, what is needed is a grassroots movement at the local level: meetings, fliers, press releases in local papers…the movement needs to get to the non-Internet everyday person.
I ask Fox to have their own debate (like a reality show)
Since the media will not give Obama a real debate and ask him the hard questions and will not let Fox host one.
I said Fox should have a reality Debate with Obama supporters, McCain and undecideds. Do it like a college debate.
Obama would go nuts and there would be nothing he could do about it. The ratings would be thru the roof. I sent this email to Sean Hannity.
What do you think!
Excellent idea. I was thinking the same thing – great minds think alike! I will send an email as well. Why don’t we ask a Democratic party hero like Gore or Edwards stand in for Obama as well? Will they take the challenge?
I think you are a total fake – no real person talks like that! LOL
Larry, my comment above (re total fake) was in response to an obamatroll comment, not this thread – please remove it. Thanks.
tricia — I think that’s a fabulous idea.
The term “illegitimate” comes from the Rules Committe and their decision to discount, half vote and shift votes in Florida and Michigan. I will never forgive the DNC for this, the senior leadership in broad daylight pretending that their decision was “fair and equitable.” It wasn’t; it will never be. I will also not forget Donna Brazile’s remark about the “new party” that no longer needed the traditional base–women, seniors, Latinos, working class folks, Catholics, Jews, etc., etc., etc. The beat goes one.
Our response? You no longer need us. We no longer need you.
And I cannot and will not forget my party, the Democratic Party, pushing an inexperienced and unqualified candidate down the electorate’s throat, calling for Senator Clinton to drop out and then saying, “get over it,” while refusing to admit that blatant sexism colored the primary, while racism was used as a lame and empty smoke screen.
Shame on you all!
Senator Clinton may call for unity now. But I’m an independent thinker and voter. My vote is mine and I will never cast it for Obama. I believe Barack Obama is an absolute fraud, a pretender to the throne, as well as his Kool-aide army and circle of cronies.
Obamatrons have a problem with that? Here’s my answer:
Get over it! We’ll see you in November.
PUMApac.org
PUMApac.org
Q: What’s the difference between a PUMA and a cougar?
A: Cougars get laid!
It’s the Greco caveman. I love you guys in that car insurance commercial. Too bad your sitcom got canceled. Only cavemen and out of work sitcom actors worship Obama.
Hunh?
Pumas and cougars are the same animal. It depends what part of the country you live in for what you call it.
Ummm… I was trying to be clever by referencing the modern slang usage of “cougar.” Sorry to confuse you.
I keep seeing on old guy with a white beard, a long uncaught serial killer in his dotage, one driving a new silver Mazda 3, with an Obama sticker on the back.
A child molester, too.
Ugly, creepy, and laughable.
That’s what I see when I see the word “cougar.”
And I know it’s connotation, it just reminds me of creepy ugly old guys.
For instance, if the NSA had a serial killer, the official NSA serial killer, say, I’d name him Bob, (NSA serial killer Bob),(in his white sneakers, like the “monster” in Twin Peaks, who killed Laura Palmer, wasn’t he a Bob?), anyway, I’d think of him as a “cougar,” driving a silver car, a small cheap Japanese import trying to look far more important than it really is, trying perpetually to be hip with the kids, gangsta now, hippie then, hip with the “blacks,” as he would term AA’s, in his 60’s lingo, driving a car with “Obama ‘08,” plastered on the bumper.
Weak, impotent, and a creep, desperately looking for approval.
It’s ok, w’re used to you confusing us. Like when you confuse us with sheeple that will vote for Obama.
You just keep on trying. Someday you’ll be clever.
damned slut..get a brain
Exactly! I think Hillary knows her supporters won’t mindlessly back Obama.
Of course she does! That’s something WE get and understand and the obamabot followers will never understand. Independent, strong, free will to vote for principles, and TRUTH and experience.
NOBAMA!
Guys don’t be mad………. Just relax and have fun………
I am really having fun
Careful! Don’t have TOO much fun. WHen you crash it will be horrible. Not that I care.
Go get another tatoo and tongue piercing. We have work to do here in protecting democracy.
Can’t wait till august 28 when the first swiftboater rows right over his lying ass. I read someplace where there are two books coming out too.
Goodness, 2 books? We might have to space that out a little for the trolls. Unless there’s lots of pictures.
In 24 font type
See Barack
See Michelle
See Barack Lie
Lie Barack Lie
See Michelle Rant
Rant Michelle Rant
Contrary to or forbidden by law; “an illegitimate seizure of power”; “illicit trade”; “an outlaw strike”; “unlawful measures.”
This definition is for people who need clarification as to Omessiah’s presumed nominee status. Stealing the votes of millions of people and “make as you go along” election rules are covered here. -Also, busing people across state lines and stealing caucuses.
Who’s going to go after him? That bastion of integrity Nancy “I hate other women competing with me” Pelosi?
We really do have some weaselly leaders in the Democratic Party; no wonder the DNC keeps getting its ass handed to it in the GE.
YEAH!
Is there no other way to fight for this cause than to risk another 4 – 8 years of the same disastrous policies we have been getting for the last 8? America and the world will face the consequences.
I am an Obama supporter who has also admired Clinton. I am an American with an older brother in the military and a sister soon to emerge from college.
I respect whatever decision you feel you must make. I simply hope that people will consider that their votes may be a life and death decision for people like my brother, not to mention those who might become the collateral damage of another neocon war.
Your vote may decide the economy and job market which my sister faces in her first years out of school as she tries to find her place in the world.
Lastly, my mother is a brilliant woman who has devoted most of her life to grassroots environmental causes, starting with cleaning up the Hudson river and continuing on to today. Your vote may greatly enable or disable the causes she has dedicated her life to.
I hope that every American will weight their vote heavily.
Thank you.
p.s. please also consider that the g.o.p. is most definitely boosting this cause for their own ends.
I saw this exact same post on the Confluence about 2 hours ago.
Tricky little varmints, aren’t they.
Their whole “operation Obama” is very weak, very predictable, and very confused.
I would say being the good narcissists they are, the game with the Obama brand is a reflection of their own psychological confusion, very weak, and chaotic, the way certain troubled ‘tween boys act out spewed all over the blogs.
So, the chaos they try to impose is really just a reflection of their internal chaos, with no more depth of intellect than a Dan Qualyle thought.
Good thing they’re not like the Pentagon, or anything, my goodness, this country would be screwed if the real republican/Cheney defense team thought this way, ‘tweeners in the digital age of the blog…
No, Jesse, there is no other way. The ‘democratic’ party must be stopped. I was going to say “must be defeated”, but that would be redundant, self-defeatists that they are. Go Dean, go Pelosi, Go Obama, Go Hoyer (straight to hell).
Guess you shoulda thought of that before you forced Clinton out of the raced.
I can’t say this enough to you Obama supporters: You took away our choice! You are making us vote for McCain.
If you really feel that strongly about it, why not ask Obama to bow out so you can join us in voting for Clinton?
Sorry – race
Note to Jesse: your post does not address the issue that President Obama will be far worse for the country than President McCain.
jesse — I know who McCain is and Obama’s real agenda is being kept under wraps. You want to vote for that slug go ahead its still a free country — the last time I looked.
Fred, Hillary Clinton may be our inspiration and the shabby treatment of her may be the spark that lit the fire, but we are not voting against Obama because Hillary lost, nor will we vote for Obama because Hillary says so. Everyone in Obama land seems to keep on missing the point, and I really wonder if they are that blind, or if they believe if they keep saying it over and over that makes it true. We aren’t pissed off just because Hillary lost the delegate race. We are pissed off at the arbitrary decisions of the DNC in allocating delegates to Obama he did not earn, that legitimately belonged to Hillary Clinton. We are pissed off at Obama for his own blatant sexism and juvenile antics towards Hillary, such as the middle finger salute, the Annie Oakley comments, the playing of 99 reasons but the bitch ain’t one of them at the Iowa ralley. That in my mind and in a lot of other minds, does not a President make. Add that to the Donna Brazille remarks about not including the traditional Dem base in Obama’s new coalition, the constant accusations of racism for daring to oppose Obama, the fraud in Texas and NV caucuses, add it all together and you have the perfect firestorm. We will vote Mccain as a protest of the hijacking of this nomination and the party itself. We will boycott the DNC as we are doing with MSNBC, we will do to the Democratic Party what they did to us. Abandon them, and their illigitimate candidate.
Well said.
You are in MY reality now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuTV4IaVVa0
What Fred doesn’t understand is we are not using Hillary Clinton’s candidacy as the basis of our movement. What was done to her and us, and the person Obama is, have created our rebellion.
When democracy is threatened, some people go along with it, some people quietly watch it happen, and some people rise up against it. The PUMA movement rises up against it.
I was a staunch Hillary supporter and I still believe she would be the best president by far. But her actions since returning to the political scene have made me question her judgement and her commitment to the American people. I never thought I would think or say that.
I know Hillary does not believe Obama would be good for this country. I know she does not believe he would be a better President than McCain, even with the differences on issues. I know she was humiliated and thrown under the bus by the Democratic Party elite and Obama. I know I would have taken a different route than she has. My only hope is she knows something we don’t.
I was disgusted watching Hillary speak at the unity rally. I laughed when she recommended that we forget about the primary and vote for Obama – for all the reasons the Obamacans keep trying to shove down our throats. It didn’t even sound like her. Her passion was gone. Her voice was even different. She sounded like them. What could they have threatened her with?
So you see Fred, and all those who do not understand what fighting for democracy is really about, Hillary’s support of Obama has made me more resolved than ever to never vote for Obama. Not Hillary, nor anyone else, will ever dictate who I vote for.
If Hillary ends up with the nomination – great. If she doesn’t – so be it. Either way, it is imperitive Obama is not elected (or selected) President of the United States of America. We do that by not voting for him.
This isn’t about Hillary, it is about democracy.
Well said, democracy first.
BTW, Obama is making a “quiet” visit to Walter Reed soon. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11411.html Of course it was announced to the press. McCain sometimes makes visits to Walter Reed unannounced, because for all of his inadequate policies, he cares about people.
Obama is so much like GWB it’s painful to watch.
Yep, he care so much about people that he “forgot” to vote for the GI Bill giving them tuition money for their service, and then, tried to take credit for it.
What does McCain mean by ‘we’? – Crooks and Liars
“The former Navy pilot and Vietnam POW makes himself a target by refusing to endorse Webb’s new GI education bill and instead signing on to a Republican alternative that focuses more on career soldiers than on the great majority who leave after their first four years.”
CBS News
I prefer to use my own mind when making decisions, not some party dictate. After so many years of mind numbing political madness, you can smell it a mile away. My vote doesn’t go to Obama. My vote goes to my country, and I am weary of being afraid.
http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/citizenobamaornot.aspx
CITIZEN (OBAMA) OR NOT ?????
Obama’s right to run for President is in question. The question of citizenship must be addressed once and for all. We the American Public deserve to see proof that he is eligible under the law of Our Constitution
ONE QUESTION…….JUST WHO THE HELL IS HE?
Axelrod doesn’t miss a trick, does he? He’s trying to “out Rove” Karl Rove
Sorry Jesse, but no, there is no other way to make our voices heard because we tried. 18 million of us tried to make our voices heard, Hillary had the popular vote and our voices were overturned by the superdelegates, in spite of the fact that Donna Brazille and Howard Dean swore that could not happen. Brazille famously swore if the super delegates overturned the will of the people that she would resign in protest. She is still there. They can’t seem to hear, or to listen in this primary, so they will hear us in November. I applaud your brother, I have many friends and one relative in Iraq, I will include your brother in my prayers. And in spite of Obama’s talking points, McCain is not going to keep our troops there for another 100 years. You should check out his website for yourself and read up on the man. He’s a good man. He’s an honest man, you might be reassured to find out the man actually has a whole boatload of plain old common sense. It would make you feel better I really do beleive, to check him out. He’ll make a damn fine President.
He also voted 95 % of the times in accord with Bush.
zerostress, would you have rather he voted 137 times present like Obama?
The common sense that you talk about is just words and not reality. We already checked him out and are horrified beyond belief.
I mean Obama…sorry..I realize know you meant jmac has common sense..true true
I warned many dems after Iowa..that this guy’s machine was powerful and would not be stopped..
Just a FYI for McCain’s camp..if you don’t stop this guy now..you never will.
The media is totally in Bed with Obama and has been from the get go…you could see it in the bars of the Hotels of Iowa!!..and in the local restaurants..the pwoerful media were all sleeping with Obama.
just my 2 Cents..
fly
You know the German media was in bed with that little guy — the authoritarian dictator of WWII. If I remember correctly at least one of the members of the media was hung for crimes against humanity.
Interesting, I did not know that, I’ve been reading on Nuremberg, lately, especially with Addington and the other whack, Yoo, testifying before Congress yesterday, but I did not know they hung a member of the media.
Addington, for all his batshit white supercilious behavior, can’t do his job worth a shit.
Clinically insane.
Obama is anxious to take any statement that anyone makes and turn it into something racial so that he can whip your paranoid mind into a frenzy. Everything Hillary Clinton or her supporters (read middle class white poeple) say is aimed at hurting the poor, enslaved blacks or extending the war in Iraq. Anything you thought Bill did during his 8 years in office was simply a dream; he only manipulated you for his own gain and to keep you in the foxholes, fields and ghettos. He is playing you like a piano. And this is where the whole Hitler comparison starts to come into play. If you can’t draw a parallel between what Obama is doing with blacks vs. middle class/rural whites to what Hitler did with Aryans vs. Jews, you need to take a break (and a history lesson). Hitler was a master of making inspirational speeches that convinced the economically ravaged German people that while they literally took a wheelbarrow full of cash to the store to pay for a loaf of bread, the rich Jews down the street from you weren’t struggling anywhere near as badly. He told folks that every dime the Jews made was 10 cents they would never see and was stealing food right out of their childrens’ mouths. He told the Germans that he represented change and hope, and that if they only trusted him (even though he had zero real political experience) he would turn things around for them. And he did. He solved the economic problems of Germany quite nicely. It was the how that turned out to be the problem, and that is exactly what worries me about Obama. I am not accusing Obama of wanting to open concentration camps. I am not entirely certain that Hitler started out to do that, either. The problem was not just one emotionally insecure man with high political aspirations (born in Austria as Adolph Shicklgruber – start to see why birth certificates matter?); it was the people who flocked to him and took advantage of the man’s weak and politically ignorant nature. Goebbels, Goerring, Himmler, Hess, Mengele, and countless other opportunists who each saw a unique opportunity to mold this charismatic and passionate neophyte into someone that would give them absolute power and allow them to fulfill their sickest dreams and nightmares. If you aren’t scared by the similarities, then there’s no hope for you.
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
George Santayana
I’d rather be proven wrong about Obama than proven to be right.
flyarm :
You are right… just simply relax … don’t make your self mad at you. … I saw this a month ago….. for every fault he make…….. he has something on his hand ….look back and see the past…. I am now relaxing and am not voting for anyone ………
just simply we must relax … we can change minds of others …every one is in line with him no matter what we say… they are even having fun on us
But McCain is just as tied to Russian interests, why do people assume it would be any better, because he doesnt have an Ayers?
He does have a Rick Davis, though, who is tied to a guy (Oleg Deripaska, the Russian tin foil king) who takes orders from Putin…
I support neither candidate, I refuse, I think they’re both treasonous, really, but I refuse to pretend McCain is an alternative to Obama.
McCain does what he lobbyists tell him to do, he’s got this lobbyist connected to the world’s ninth richest man, a man loyal to the Kremlin, why aren’t we discussing this?
Because Putin is our friend, but Ayer’s isn’t?
his lobbyists, sorry…
Hi Treason Pete! We’re not voting for Obama!
Shouldn;t that be treasonous pete?
I’m not either, but I have to wonder why you’re choosing the other treason.
Made me question your motives.
LOL…
Remember you were trolled this way the first time, ya fucking idiots, but thanks for showing yourself.
And dont try to correct, poetry is not in your vocabulary, tunabot.
Bye, treason bois…
This treason guy is the same person who posted under the name “peter pan …..” a couple of days ago. He was probably banned hence is writing under another weird name. He is trying to drive the Hillary for Mccain people into not voting at all. He has some weird line on mccain being a russian agent.
There is nothing wrong in not voting or write in hillary, but the most damage we can do to nobama is by voting for Mccain, if Hillary does not get the nomination. But is a free choice and using disinformation to make us stay home is not OK.
So beware of this guy “treason whatever” He is a troll.
I was just watching MSNBC — Okay, my bad. Anyway, the panel kept saying “the disaffected women, women women” which is a way they have of marginalizing the PUMA,No Deal and others. They don’t acknowledge that there are many men involved because in there sexist minds that would give it more weight. They also said that it is just a “tiny slice” of the dems who are disaffected. And Obama is doing a good job of reaching them.
I SAY NO OBAMA ON WAY!
That’s a bunch of crap they are spewing on MSNBC.
PUMA!
HA-HA-HA!
Let them think that!
They’re in denial
They keep calling us ‘Grumpy’. They need to correct the talking point- we’re Pissed Pumas!
NOBAMA!
Yeah right..try all of WV and KY..That’s not tiny
Oh and there are more than 3 million PUMAS..that’s not tiny either. How they lie and skew.
More propagandist policies straight out of Mein Kampf! Keep repeating the same crap over and over, and eventually everyone will buy it (especially if they never hear anything else). Just like selling toothpaste, right?
When’s the last time you needed to “Lather. Rinse. Repeat”? It’s Hitler with Madison Avenue behind him.
Exactly — Axlerod etc. are using the same tactics in selling Obama that are used in selling any other consumer product.
They keep repeating and repeating the same ads — and they ignore the questions.
It is sort of like expensive products sold to clean kitchen counters etc — when baking soda or even vinegar might do a better job for a fraction of the price.
We can understand the ad-guys motive — they make lots of money if they have the winning consumer product. WHAT is the motive of Dean — poopolosie and Donna is a racist Brazile?? Even to the drastic measure of moving democratic headquarters to Chicago.
WHERE THE HELL IS OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Yes this is a very important issue.
It’s because they want numbers. That’s the only way they can judge credibility, I guess.
When I see Obama going down in such a massive defeat he will never be mentioned again as a potential candidate, which will happen on November 4th, then I’ll get over it.
Amen Linda. I agree.
Excellent post, Bud. Fascism is just another word for controlling everything and everyone. That is their goal.
Here’s the votes from the 2004 convention:
Kerry, John F., 10,045,891
Edwards, John, 3,207,048
Dean, Howard, 937,015
Kucinich, Dennis J., 643,067
(others), 591,524
Clark, Wesley K., 572,207
Sharpton, Alfred C. “Al”, 383,683
Uncommitted, 155,388
Hillary has more than all COMBINED. How can they deny her name being put into nomination
Well you know there wont be any “uncommitted” in this convention
They were all arbitrarily assigned to Obama against all logic and basic fairness
I think we all missed the placating memo — sent to Obama disciples: “Boys! Enough with the anger — this week let’s try condescending, faux-reasonable, just-trying-to understand-you-rhetoric”.
Note to the Obama-thugs: it ain’t working!
It’s the junior-level equivalent of the Big O’s : “just a minute sweetie” — a most annoying brand of passive-aggressiveness.
Their tactics only further inflame those disenfranchised who will already never vote for Obama. All they end up doing is encourage us to work harder to insure Obama’s defeat.
Ummm…Ahhhh…Hmmmm…Whaaa…immm. Hmmmm…Ummmmm.
Obama with out a teleprompter!
This is getting extremely scary. I knew the media was biased towards Obama but tonight I really learned how extreme. I was watching CNN and Cafferty came on and asked people to go to his web site and answer the qustion: Do you believe that Obama and Hillary and truly united? When I logged on I read others comments and couldn’t believe how almost all of them stated they believed they were united or they were very anti Hillary statements. I posted a very polite comment that stated I didn’t thing they really were united and that there was no way that I would ever voted for Obama and it grieved me to see her paraded around like a trick pony and I felt maybe she was doing it to help pay down her campaign debt. As soon as I posted it it came up that it needed to be approved. They post right above mine and right after mine were posted immediately. After I came home from dinner I checked and they never posted my comm
comment! Sorry it got cut off.
She’s doing it to save her senate seat. She was threatened to lose it by Rangel and Pelosi. Obama is not giving her a dime.
Hill & bill gave 4600 to Obama campaign.
Just like she promised. Clinton knows how to keep her word.
*sigh*
OMG! That was one of the first things that started to terrify me in this primary. I have posted many times in the past on Cafferty’s questions. This year when I have wanted to comment about why Obama couldn’t seal the deal or did Obama have enough experienced to be POTUS and similar questions, my posts have not been accepted. All year. And I never even said anything really nasty or inappropriate or anything. I was just giving my opinion. I was censored! In America! And that was when I quit watching CNN. I just cannot believe that we are having to watch the slow death of America in 2008 over that Democrat diarrhea (you know, running sh*t for POTUS)! America survived almost 8 years of GWB and DC and we have to watch her die now?!
BTW- it occurred to me when I was listening to talk radio and they referred to America as her, we always say her/she in regards to America. Anyone know why? And why idf America is female, can we not have one in the White House????????
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a concept used to describe political systems where a state regulates nearly every aspect of public and private life. The term is usually applied to Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or hard-line communist regimes, such as Stalinist Russia, Democratic Kampuchea or North Korea. Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, central state-controlled economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror tactics.
Any of this sounding familiar Fred? Like maybe the part about maintaining political power through manipulation of the media and the part about a state run economy and above all, the ever present personality cult. Maybe he has a way to go but Obama’s thinking and actions are too close to this for comfort.
Thats why the whole flip flop on FISA. Eavesdropping is right in line with his ideas. But who scares me more than him is this Soros who although lived though the Nazi occupation seems to have learned a thing or two from them. May also be the reason the economy is going down the toilet. He is a major speculator who manipulates the markets. Scared people run to the candidate of “Change”. I thought the Republicans were corrupt!
Soros did not live in a concentration camp. He lived as an adopted son of a nazi official, in luxury for all we know, and helped persecute jewish folk, his own people. And he says he does not feel bad about it because “if he had not done it someone else would have.”
Please read the wikipedia article on soros. He is a scoundrel of the worst sort.
From a psychological assessment of Hitler’s power methods entitled, “Hitler As His Associates Know Him”
He is “…able to muster and organize his people into an efficient smooth-running unit…everybody has a single thought in mind. To do what the Fuehrer wishes.”
He recognizes “the inestimable value of winning the support of youth; realization of the immense momentum given a social movement by the wild fervor and enthusiasm of young people as well as the importance of early training and indoctrination.”
He strives to “appeal to the most primitive, as well as the most ideal inclinations in man, to arouse the basest instincts and yet cloak them with nobility, justifying all actions as means to the attainment of an ideal goal”
He understands that the “masses are as hungry for a sustaining ideology in political action as they are for daily bread. Any movement which does not satisfy this spiritual hunger in the masses will not mobilize their whole-hearted support…”
Enough Said.
I cant help but laugh whenever I see that skinny piece of s*** trying to look and sound presidential. God, how I detest him!
“Skinny piece of s***” says it very nicely.
On Keith Olberman tonight they were saying the DNC is not going to allow a vote for Hillary at the convention. Is there anything we can do to stop them from not allowing the delegate vote? Have any of you ever hear of such a thing? Has Obama completely taken over our party? This is not democracy anymore.
Not only the party but apparently the media too. Read my comment about CNN above.
I dont even think Putin is buying this shit anymore, it looks so silly, so trite, so contrived.
Who are they performing for, the old trolls?
Mary -
1) You still watch Olberman???
2) You believe him???
Get a grip, woman!
mary — I have never heard of anything like this before. Someone owns Obama and they have taken over the Democratic Party. They should change the name to Dogmacratic Party. This comment says it all. Greta asked Pelosi how does she feel about Obama attending Wright’s church for 20 years? Her answer was — it doesn’t bother me. At least he goes to church. I think the fix is in. But I will wait till the Fall to see if the Republicans do their thing–and if the media cares.
We must fight Obama. I feel us (the people) losing our democracy. I am too old to fight physically, but I can fight with my vote. I can also talk to others. We must stop Obama and take back the DNC. Once Obama is gone, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Daschel, and Brazille will be next. We must take back the democratic party.
This really has nothing to do with Hillary. Vote for McCain to stop Obama. With a democratic senate and house, McCain can be controlled for four years. The people must take back the country.
If they do not allow a vote for Hillary Clinton I bet you there will be a backlash on the Democratic party that will never be repaired. I for one already
switched to Independent as I am so mad and ashamed of the DNC. It is ran by a bunch of imbeciles.
Us PUMAs should really be forming a 3rd party. We really have no choice. Most of don’t want to be republicans, but I personally can’t see ever going back to the democratic party either. It would be like going back to my husband who sold my baby for money. I can’t think of a better time to start a new party than now with 18,000,000 voters getting the shaft on this side and supposedly many GOP don’t like their party either!
Go PUMA
Justsaynodeal
Hillary or McCain ‘08
I’m sensing that Obama will block a rollcall vote. He also took the risk on MI and FL, and MI is now polling for him ahead of McCain. He would prefer to block rather than risk any public scene from Hillary supporters.
He’ll take our wrath. We’re already mad.
Unless Hillary objects, then that’s how I see it coming down.
Like to the speech in Unity NH…Hillary is awesome.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=feKBaxLjExE
USA loses out on a brilliant leader in leiu of an unqualifed candidate who is wet behind the ears
Not wet behind the ears..dirty behind the ears.
Pooh’s got a pair, how cute…
Great article, and I agree. This is a very interesting time in politics. I’m not sure what’s next. But I’ll be interested to watch it unfold and figure out how to help.
This is a very good post from clintondems. It needs to be disseminated as much as possible. I did not post the entire text due to its length.
Please read.
http://clintondems.com/2008/06/electability-watch-from-ricki-lieberman/
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Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM
ELECTABILITY WATCH
All,
One participant noted that Hillary made us all proud and you could tell how moved she was to see so many of her friends and supporters in the room.
However, first reports from a number of people who were in DC last night for the finance meeting are grim, and BO’s sour look in the picture on the cover of the internet NYT suggests that he was none too pleased at the exuberant reception given Senator Clinton in Unity, NH.
She rocks??? Excuse me!
Perhaps the most telling comment was her quote from Winston Churchill: Americans generally do the right thing after trying everything else. Maybe this is the message to the SDs about choosing Hillary in Denver!?!
Particularly disturbing is Obama’s apparent refusal to say that there will be a nominating process which includes the past practice of nomination, speeches and a roll call vote. What has been established procedure is, in the world of BO/DNC, apparently a matter of negotiation.
One person who attended said that “Obama bombed big time but the more specific point is, he was asked point blank ” Do you support Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot and a roll call vote”. His answer was ” I’m not here to negotiate the convention”. Obviously he is still scared to death of her and he is going to do all he can to keep her name off the ballot and no roll call vote.”
Could it be that he and they are afraid that she will continue to show him up as the electable candidate?
All the more reason to participate in the ELECTABILITY WATCH!
GO GO GO!
RIcki
Brilliant post — thank you. Yes, just as FDR had to march on the convention, so will we. All delegates going to the convention vote for the candidate who best represents the Democratic Party, that is your obligation and your promise. Many states caucused for BO before the revelation of Rev. Wright and BO’s 20 year attendance at an anti-American, anti-Semitic, racist church. You can change your vote at the convention…
This man is not fit to be president.
The tactics that he and David Axelrod have used are horrid and in the name of getting power, he has been working to destroy the fabric of who we are, or aspire to be, as a country.
We have to stand up in the face of threats and cheap theatrics.
Americans have an opportunity — right now — today — to make a huge statement and take our country back from special interests and from corporate owned big media that is trying to dictate our actions and choose our leaders.
If we let them get away with it this time, when the tactics are so egregious, we are sending the message that we are merely sheep, and we will lose our rights and our voices more with each passing year.
This is an excellent essay, Bud White. At the same time it is opening the door to the next discussion in what is left of the Democratic Party. This essay claims everything for progressives first, liberals next. Unfortunately, those who call themselves progressive are the ones who have gotten us into this mess, along with the MSM and usually Republican corporate money – especially subprime financial types.
I consider myself a conservative liberal who is pragmatic on the ways in which government should provide for the general welfare. I think at this time in history we must be more skeptical of progressive politics and move to where the majority of Americans are — in the center. They, first and foremost, have been appalled over the authoritarian nature of the Democratic progressives; they are the 18 Million Voices.
We have had enough radicalism to last a life time. Eight years of radical conservativism has turned our stomachs. We do not need a corrective by radical progressives. I strongly disagree that BHO’s defeat will strengthen progressives. Hillary owns the center. Bill’s center-liberal presidency is what brought out the ugliness in progressives.
This is an email I have sent to CNN regarding my experience last night with Cafferty:
I have never been so scared in all of my life for the future of the USA.
For many years my Republican friends have told me about the “Liberal” media and I have laughed them off.
This is the first year I actually understand what they mean. I noticed early on that there was an attack on Mrs. Clinton during the primaries. I stopped watching MSNBC and started only watching CNN. I thought your coverage was more balanced.
Last night I saw Mr.Cafferty and he asked people to go to his blog and answer the question “Do you think that Obama and Clinton are truly United?” I proceeded to log on and state my opinion which is not pro Obama but was not vicious or obscene. As soon as I posted it it said it needed to be approved (or something like that). The comment directly prior to mine and the one right after where posted immediately. Later on when returning from dinner I checked and I noticed they never posted my comments. I know you will say that there is a disclaimer at the bottom of his blog that states not all comments will be posted. To that I say at first I thought it was unusual that all comments posted were either Unity based or anti-Clinton. Then after speaking with an acquaintance she told me that she has answered many questions over the years on Mr.Cafferty’s blog with no problem. Now that she too is not an Obama supporter her comments are not being posted. Again we are not posting any offensive material.
Is this what we have become in America a Totalitarian nation with censured media.
I have been a life long Democrat and have been offended by Fox News but it seems that I have no choice but to watch them to try and get some truth in media. Although truth only pertaining to the Democrats they too skew the facts regarding the Republicans.
I believe we are headed down a dangerous road in America and I hope she will survive!
“With a democratic senate and house, McCain can be controlled for four years. The people must take back the country.” Yeah just like they’re controlling Bush right now.
Get your head out of your butt.
The lack of control being placed on Bush is the responsibility of the Democratic party. They have ratings less favorable than GWB if you have noticed. These are also the same people who are trying to foist Obama on an uninformed public. My first instinct is to go against anything that Nancy Pelosi says is “good for me” after impeachment came off the table. You?
News Update
Clinton to Obama: “Kiss My Ass”
http://www.obama-wire.com
HAIL! THE REVOLUTION IS HERE….A NEW PARTY IS BORN!
A STRONG COALITION OF WORKING CLASS INTELLIGENT PEOPLE AND WISE OLDER WOMEN, AND SMART YOUNGER ONES, AND LOYAL LATINOS AND A SCATTERING OF PROUD AFRICAN-AMERICANS WITH VISION! FOR AN INCLUSIVE AMERICA THAT MAKES EVERY VOTE COUNTS AND RESPECTS THE DEMOCRACY THAT GAVE BIRTH TO ABE!
PUMA the PROGRESSIVES CHOICE
V-P–Harriet Christian interested in the V-P?
Pres>__________fill in blank. (Larry Johnson,Esq.)
NOBAMA ‘08!
TO: BARRACK OBAMA:
KISS OUR GRITS!
PUMAS ‘08
Dear Presumptuous unDemocratic Nominee Mr. Obama:
Please remove yourself from the ballot in August to show pennance, regret and remorse for what you did to your fellow African-American mentor and benefactor that showed you how to tie your political shoelaces in Chicago in ‘96. Sen. Alice Palmer would be proud of you. She does not want you to become a recidivist and steal yet another nomination from yet another female benefactor Sen. Hillary Clinton whose name belongs rightfully on that ballot. Please do not knock her off the ballot. You’ve done it before to Alice. To you, we know, Women are Dirt to be brushed off your dainty shoulders and scraped off your shoes (Yutube’s mega-hit: OBAMA GIVES FINGER TO HILLARY”). But you’re only hurting yourself in the process. A smug, arrogan MISOGYNIST like you would be a thousand times worse than having Sen. McCain as our President.
“I have no doubt that Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a good President”—Sen. John McCain in Baghdad 2005 in response to the late Tim Russert, Meet the Press!!
McCain ‘08
PUMAs choice for ‘08
Hill ‘12
ROAR, PUMAS! DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD ELECTION!!!
Hey Treason Pete, if you wish to avail yourself of this blog, which belongs to democratic rational people, and not fucked up Obamabots who don’t know the difference between Hegelian phenomenology and Kantian compromise, SHUT THE FREUD UP! and Go and such your leader’s ears!
You’re a disgusting moronic Obamabot of dubious species! Get lost, ObamaTroll and get your IQ tested at the Local Vet—in Chicago DNC’s Headquarters…you can stay there rent-free…
Barack without the teleprompter is Himself: a stutteringly ignorant fool. Can you see this inept under-achiever as Kenya’s V-P helping out his cousin Odinga, now the President? Yes, I can! He gave to Islamist-marxist cousin Odinga $100,000 of his own money. Of course, Barack should have known that he used it to promote SHARIA LAW in Kenya! But most of the money went to burning churches in December and raping thousands of villages.
Thanks to Obama’s campaign contribution in Kenya on behalf of cousin Odinga, 500,000 homeless Kenyans are trolling around looking for food. BO should go there and start organizing….It’s the decent thing to do!
Barack without the teleprompter is Himself: a stutteringly ignorant fool. Can you see this inept under-achiever as Kenya’s V-P helping out his cousin Odinga, now the President? Yes, I can! He gave to Islamist-marxist cousin Odinga $100,000 of his own money. Of course, Barack should have known that he used it to promote SHARIA LAW in Kenya! But most of the money went to burning churches in December and raping thousands of villages.
Thanks to Obama’s campaign contribution in Kenya on behalf of cousin Odinga, 500,000 homeless Kenyans are trolling around looking for food. BO should go there and start organizing….It’s the decent thing to do!
Yes, ANN — Ann Richards would be rolling in her grave to know that the misogynist creepObama has alluded to her famour remark about ‘women doing the impossible in ‘high heels’ Barack, you aint’ no Ann Richards. Lay off the B.S. You aint’ getting any thinking Woman’s votes in November! Eat my grits, arrogant neophyte of indeterminate sexual and/or medicinal proclivities…
ANNAGAIN — THANKS! Your comment with regard to the ineptness and undemocratic constitution of this xeroxed candidate (Barry Soeroto or Barrack Hussein) are right on, but worse, his misogyny is dangerous. I’d never thought I’d say this, but McCain has shown more respect by opening up dialogue with women like Carly Fiorina (I think she supporter Hillary)….Good insights. thx
DAILY KOS (mountakis)is run by a former Greek national with communist ties to Bulgaria and George Soros. He is reviled in his country as the worst sexist offender and is hated by women in that region of Balkan Europe! Now, he’s got his own blog and apparently he’s made sexist overtures to some of these women who are single and have children. KOS IS AN EXPLOITER OF WOMEN AND, OF COURSE, AN OBAMABOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
proof please
This blog cuts through spin the same way Bill O’Reily does.