Will Bower Counters Unity & “Hounds”
By SusanUnPC on June 28, 2008 at 11:20 PM in Barack Obama, Pennsylvania
On Saturday, Fox News interviewed Will Bower of Just Say No Deal, a coalition of PUMA voters. (More videos are up at the Just Say No Deal and NoQuarterUSA channels at YouTube.
BELOW, a special message to Gov. Ed Rendell:
Dear Gov. Rendell:
We still respect and honor you, especially for your great work on behalf of Hillary. (I’m a little less angry than my good friend Pagan Power, who’s as sweet a soul as you’ll find but is perturbed, rightfully, by your group.)
Just for now, Ed, we want you to take a chill pill, and learn a bit more about WHO you are addressing.
You see, we here at No Quarter remember vividly the night not so long ago when, even while you maintained your usual affable demeanor, it was clear you were perturbed as you described this phone call on CNN’s Larry King Live — and WE STOOD WITH YOU, which you can see in the 262 comments rallying to your support in that post on March 29, 2008:
Here’s what Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell told CNN’s Larry King about the call he got from Barack Obama:
RENDELL: “I had a call from Senator Obama and he said, you know I’m going to be the nominee, and I didn’t argue with him, I said, sure, and he said I just want to make sure nothing happens in Pennsylvania, the campaign here, that will make it harder for us to win in the fall. And I said, senator, don’t even worry about that for five seconds.”
Read all: Last Round: Rendell Gets a Call From Obama [Updated].
We’ve also stood up for you against the ultra-left on the Internet who disparage you constantly.
You’re just not enough of an “authoritarian leftist” to please them, Ed. (Thank god.) The Kossacks and far leftists have denigrated you for years because you’re not radical enough for them.
Remember who your real friends are. The more moderate, centrist Democrats like US, who also require that our presidential nominee be qualified. Barack Obama is not experienced enough.
These critical times require the most experienced, most knowledgeable, most dedicated, and most hard-working candidate. We know that that candidate is Hillary Clinton. And so do you.
It’s not too late, Ed.
Let’s do the right thing. For the Democratic party. And for this nation.
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Will, you did such a good job. Thank you!
It’s not too late to go over to http://www.riverdaughter.wordpress.com and contribute at the cocktail party lounge for our campaign debt for our primary. We stayed up all night, and the band is still playing!
We have a running total up and would love to have your name on the list!
PUMA$
I am not a member over there. This is the only blog I really post on other than the AOL blogs. Which I don’t consider real blogs. Anyway I think she said we should each donate 35. I went and donated 50. Here’s my receipt with personal info removed for the party.
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Yes, I agree. He did a great job.
I can read between the lines. The body language and even the way Hillary speaks is of a candidate who was pushed out even though she was winning. Even if Hillary and Bill were to campaign they would win few new converts to the disUnity train.
The stone has been cast for all to see!
The more I see Hillary or Rendell or anybody else that were previously against the fraud the more I forgive them and want to vote for McCain.
Forgive them? pfffffffft! You’re a better person than I.
Will Bower, Will Bower!! You MUST be getting the LOVE!!! {{{I love ya}}}
ok final vote is over (both local polls now closed)
08 Election
Answers Votes Percent
1. Plug my nose and vote BHO 11 10%
2. Write in Hillary’s name 12 11%
3. Flip to McCain 69 63%
4. Stay at home 3 3%
5. Vote 3rd party 4 4%
6. Force a roll call vote in Denver
10 9%
and two
It’s your vote - how did you come to your final choice.
Answers Percent Votes
1. DEM turned Indie not voting for Obama or McCain 11% 6
2. Long time DEM never voting for Obama or McCain 0% 0
3. Rep 4 Hillary - now 4 McCain 9% 5
4. Dem 4 Hillary - now 4 McCain 66% 37
5. Dem 4 Obama never 4 Hillary 0% 0
6. Dem 4 Obama or Hillary 0% 0
7. Rep 4 Obama never 4 Hillary 0% 0
8. Rep 4 Obama or Hillary 2% 1
9. Rep 4 McCain 5% 3
10. Some combo NOT listed! 7% 4
The Telegraph has learned that the former president’s rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.
A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could “kiss my ass” in return for his support.
A second source said that the former president has kept his distance because he still does not believe Mr Obama can win the election. WHAT EVEN BETTER IS THIS THAT BILL CLINTON TELLS OBAMA TO KISS OFF , I HAV HAD THE MOST VILE COMMENTS ABOUT OBAMA ON POLITICO AND I WILL COPNTINUE TO POST ON POLITICO THESE BAD COMMENTS!!!
Good for Bill. I was furious when I heard that they twisted up what he’d said to be racist. How fucking DARE they — this man is a former two-term president of the United States. You’re goddamned fucking right that smug little shit had better pucker up and grovel before he asks the Big Dawg for something.
Oh but apparently, expecting the respect due his station after they trashed his wife beyond belief is racist. (Somehow.) How Bill Clinton went from “the first black president” to practically the fucking grand wizard of the fucking Ku Klux Klan is insane to me.
Obama can fuck off for all I care. That arrogant fucking bastard. He caved on NAFTA, FISA, public financing, and the Iraq War. He’s zero for four right now.
McCain vs. Obama: The Hero or the Zero. NO FUCKING CONTEST.
The Hero or the Zero
I like that. BOBO has got to go.
Yes, catchy slogan! I like it also.
amen
There is nothing Bill Clinton could do to make me stop being his fan. He is a great man.
My portfolio truly misses him.
amen
must not have oil or gold stocks in your portfolio either
great point
I crawled out of poverty for about 5 minutes in the 90’s and was truly enjoying myself!
I didn’t work hard enough for AL though.
I do believe had I and the many people I know in person…… from FLA…….. well it “could” have made a difference. 100 more votes? sigh.
I know it didn’t matter in FLA they apparently planned to steal it anyway. Thanks K Harris Demon Witch from Hell! :-/
I heart u Janis.
They’re doing the same thing to McCain. In 2004 McCain was a closet Democrat. The icing on the cake for Kerry’s bid for president. Some even called for him to run as a Democrat for President. A true moderate. Now he’s the boogeyman, the man of our nightmares?
McCain’s as are Hillary’s votes “ARE” for protecting/the betterment of our children/grandchildren. Obama has voted against or present on every issue concerning our children. The children ARE the future.
They should watch the racism with McCain, it could backfire on them and have Puma growing by leaps and bounds. He has a bi-racial child. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see her with her parents and know they love her.
Cindy has always been involved in Charity, she used her own money to fund sending medical teams to help those in need. Her team was one of the first in Kuwait. Just like Bill was one of the first in Katrina after just having open heart surgery. She doesn’t look at the color of child’s skin before she donates to an organization, or from her own charity.
Yes. She got addicted to pain pills, but she wanted to keep going instead of taking the time off needed to heal. She got the help she needed. It never fails for an Obama supporter to come off with, “I could never vote for someone that got addicted to drugs.” To which I reply, “Well I guess you won’t be voting for Obama? He used ILLEGAL drugs and admits it. She took drugs to keep her going to help OTHER people, he took them for HIS own pleasure.”
McCain could have walked away from being a POW two times. He wouldn’t go without his fellow Americans. Spent two years in solitary confinement because of it. Had both his legs broken, tortured till he signed a war crime confession. The men calling him a coward would have signed before they broke their legs. Would have gladly walked away from their fellow American’s to be back home and to protest the war. Many of us were here, we saw the news. We saw McCain get off that plane.
He, like Hillary LOVE this country. He, like Hillary is NOT racist. He, like Hillary have the experience to run this country. Three things I have to question with Obama. That I have to question them with Obama, let’s me know I could never vote for him.
I don’t see McCain running a second term. So I will vote for him in this election, and I will vote for Hillary again in 2012.
That slogan will catch on, I believe, if Obama is the official Dem nom. In the early 90s, the Louisiana gubernatorial election featured Edwin Edwards (subsequently imprisoned for racketeering) and David Duke (former KKK grand wizard). There were some colorful bumper stickers, along the lines of “Vote for the lizard, not the wizard.” I was wondering what the slogan would be for a McCain/Obama match-up.
–I am not now and have never been a member of the Democratic Party.
“The Telegraph has learned that the former president’s rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence”
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Oh yeah - and I’m sure that President Clinton has NO just cause to be angry at Obama and his scummy political supporters. After all, they only:
a.) branded him and his wife “racist” - even though their dedication to civil rights for over 20 years prove the opposite,
b.) have turned on them during the primaries like vipers - though the Clintons supported MANY of their politcal careers and causes over the years,
c.) sat silently by as the lowlife MSM TRASHED his wife and women in general with their childish, egotistical and blatant sexist behavior and deep hatred, and
d.) STOLE the Democratic nomination in broad daylight on May 31, 2008 by disenfranchising, then marginalizing, and THEN stealing the votes in MI and FL and handing them to Obama - though Hillary Clinton won BOTH states AND Obama removed his name from the MI ballot early on to focus on Iowa.
Yeah - Clinton, mad? What the hell should he be mad about?
Bill Clinton doesn’t have to do anything that Bill Clinton doesn’t want to do. Reputation? Oh, you mean the one where he was the only two-term Democrat in the past 40 years and led this country through 8 years of prosperity. He survived impeachment and still left office with a high approval rating. I think Clinton can safely tell Obama to kiss his a**, and it’s not going to hurt him one bit. A lot of people are probably thinking, “Yeah, now that’s the Bill we know.”
I’m from Phila originally, and both my parents were born and raised in Phila. I love Ed Rendell, so I’ve cut him slack here. He’s got a hand in his back.
I adore you, Ed. To tiny little pieces. But no deal. Yallz gotta lose this year. Sorry.
This HOUND thing is so lame, I suspect him of actually working for McCain.
Hounds sniff balls.
I think he’s just stuck. I’ll cut him some slack. I really like Ed Rendell.
We’re all sick of being HOUNDed by the obamatrons. Maybe that’s the CODE word in Ed’s ‘movement.’
Think about it.
NOBAMA!
In other words PUMAs Don’t STOP SNIFFIN’ around for more Nobama DIRT. We all know there’s more to come…
I already have two stickers on my cars.
Hillary for President
Democrats for McCain
Can anyone make a sticker
Kiss My Ass, Nobama
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This is getting exciting.
Never had anything but the AAA sticker on my bumper before.
I have a Democrats for McCain bumper sticker too, but I can’t bring myself to put it on the car yet.
I think I’ll wait till after the faux convention, the undemocratic one, and then , if Hillary doesn’t miraculously become the nominee, the bumper sticker gets slapped on.
McCain / Clinton ‘08 ?
just a thought
I thought maybe I’d buy some off the Say No Deal site. They have one I like:
Don’t THINK……VOTE DEMOCRAT
*wicked*
I still have my Hillary yard sign up. It’s getting tattered and worn and my neighbors probably aren’t happy but I just can’t bring myself to take it down.
I used to have a bumper sticker back in the 90s, Friends Don’t Let Friends Vote Republican. Would be nice to have a new one, Friends Don’t Let Friends Vote Obama
I’m enjoying my new stickers
‘I would rather vote for a boring old war hero than an anti-American racist’
Obama/Marx 08
I’m getting laughs at work!
Wait a minute. The guy in the last thread was saying that Obama extolled Reaganomics and that his advisors are Chicago School libertarians. Now you’re saying he’s a Commie? I’m confused.
He was not extolling Reagen he was setting the tone for Bill Clinton so that his minions had room to get even uglier about the Clintons.
With all of the twists and back bends Democrats have to perform to support Obama with his flip flops and undefinable principles,we need a bumper sticker that reads…
Be an acrobat, vote Democrat…
Reminds me of my favorite quote:
That the women are beginning to have a good time
is an especially bad sign for Barack Obama’s campaign.
— Froma Harrop
I tore two stickers OFF my car (one uncovering the former Clark 04)
one said=
Sorry W
I’m the Decider
Dems in 08
the other
Make Levees
Not War
Now I only have the Hillary sticker. Still looking for the perfect one to cover Clark. But up here in WNC I don’t want to be too offensive. I love these people!
HEATH SCHULER HAS THE BEST DISTRICT IN THE COUNTRY! (yes I’m biased) heh.
A wonderful article on the same topic from Riverdaughter.
In case it has not been already disseminated.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/saturday-ed-youre-making-this-too-easy/
Quick and good response! GO PUMA!
It’s about time the DNC took us seriously, to bad they didn’t do it back in February and January. There corruption cannot stand for NO REASON!
It made me ill to watch Hillary standing at the podium and Obama sitting in the chair like a bully forcing her to say things, I know her heart wasn’t in. I even hated it when he said “you rock”. phony, phony, phony.
Oh worse than the “you rock” statement was the “doing it in heels” comment. I would have liked to have put a heel right up his you know what when he said that.
Oh yeah, I thought I would die when he said that. He thinks he’s so smooth….make me want to puke!!!!!
Me too. Doing it in heels is something BOBO has some experience with. BOBO….on the down low.
Why do you think Opra did a show on “The Down Low”? How do you think she ever even heard about that lifestyle?
tampagurl — Is it only me who thinks Obama is as homely as a mud fence. The man should never smile with those huge teeth. Also I hate to break this news to Obama but 47 is middle age. Unless you are a rock star for real — ditch the hip talk.
he’s an ugly bugger. and I also say KMA whenever I see him.
He is UGLY. Look at him in candids and not under flattering lights and high tech cameras. Obama looks like shite! I’ve noticed he has severe bags under his eyes lately.
His mouth brackets and smokers voice…YUCK!
He’s like one of those guys in bars that think they are suave and are wearing polyester and gold chains and have dandruff and really look like Urkel.
Yes yes LOL! I can hear Obama now, “Did I DO THAT?” LOL
You made me think of Steve Martin on SNL… “I’m a wild and crazy guy”
Yeah, “She Rocks” and “She does it in high heels”…ripping off Ann Richards..made me want to throw up. He was nauseatingly false and lame.
He is always nauseatingly false and lame. So he was at least consistent in that. Fisa, not so much. Campaign finance, not so much. Nafta, not so much. And on and on and on.
If Kerry was a flip-flopper this clown is a Super-Duper, Giant No Clue On the Economy Size Flip-flopper.
The acronym HOUND stand for?
Considering Hounds are used for getting cats into trees I get the connotation.
And it is a particularly CRUEL way of hunting cougars — and bears. It is an overwhelmingly exhausting and unspeakably terrifying experience for the “hounded” animal.
No decent hunter who truly cares about humane hunting methods would ever use hounds to tree an animal.
Hunting with hounds is primarily practiced by those who are to drunk, to obese or too redneck to leave the dirt road so they let the dogs do all the work driving Bambi into rifle range.
LOLOL
I hate hunting myself but if the hunter is actually gonna eat or wear what he kills then if the laws allow I’m not gonna protest.
I just hate killing for the HELL OF IT!!! IT’s just so phallic challenged! lol
That is what surprises me about this initiative — everybody should know about the negative connotation of the word HOUND (like hounding for our votes?). I don’t think this thing came from Rendell but it came from Obama and his campaign. It has all the hallmarks of his minions — read the last para and the last line on that credo. And, now of course, the name itself as you also point out does not paint a good picture.
Well…they can try to use hounds all they want, but a hound is no match for a PUMA!
I want to thank you ALL for brightening my day with your most salient and hilarious comments! I have spent nearly every day since returning from the DNC meeting in DC on May 31st working what little is left of my brains out to support and spread the growth of the PUMA/JSND coalition members. It is absolutely TERRIFIC to see how fast it’s growing, and to read all the great thoughts you’re sharing in blogs, comments and research sites!
AND, of course, I’m LOVING these quips and slogans!
Just Say NO to the HOBO!
I posted this at RD
HOUND made me think:
1. I’ve been hounded enough by Obama supporters, thank you very much
and
2. Hillary being “hounded out” of the primary.
Obama bums are getting cocky like Obama. After some polls came out with a big lead for Obama, I heard some of them say that they don’t need the Clintons to win.
Obama feels he has this in the bag but he wants to win big over McCain so he can feel he has a mandate and force all to bow to the great messiah.
McCain is not a bad option. One of his problems is that the Republicans are not backing him because they feel he is too liberal. If Democrats and independents who are disgusted with Obama vote for someone other than McCain then Obama wins.
McCain seems to be sleepwalking in this campaign, I don’t know what he is waiting for.
I was hoping that would lighten up the troll traffic. Nothing like phony polls to calm them down.
McCain got some good press finally. Apparently, REpublicans are starting to wake up and express some enthusiasm.
I think they will definitely wake up. My Mom in FL and a R is concerned about Obama’s lack of experience. She is also disappointed in Mac, but said she will vote for him as an against Obama vote.
I bet tons of republicans will be doing the same in Nov.
I wouldn’t be too sure Republicans won’t back McCain. My husband on a recent business trip got to talk to a guy he used to work with who is as right-wing as they come. Much laughter ensued when he found out we were actually voting for McCain this fall since he knew us to be pretty liberal Democrats. His view was that, while he didn’t particularly like McCain, he would still vote for him and support him. If only we Democrats could have been that smart back in 2000 or even 2004.
If only we Democrats could have been that smart back in 2000 or even 2004.
Wouldn’t have helped. The Thugs were too busy stealing the elections– and the Democraps were too busy taking goddamned notes.
…and let’s not forget the enlightened ones were all gaga over Nader back in 2000.
WildChild sez:
Still struggling with the DNC’s old “spoiler” meme? Well, that’s what it was designed to do; make it harder to stray from the herd. I’m sure they’ll be happy to know that it’s still working after all these years.
(Ever hear the RNC whining about Perot in 2000? Or Bob Barr this year? Nope; only the DNC. Hmm.)
Or maybe they won’t have to work all that hard, after all. Learned helplessness, I think it’s called.
Nader / Gonzalez ‘08 — votenader.org
How about blaming the people WHO VOTED FOR BUSH?!? Or the Democrats who could not be bothered to vote for Gore? This moldy, old argument about Nader costing Gore the election does not improve with time, because it was not right in the first place.
Do you really think it helps to get people on your side by trashing them? My goodness, that is the same complaint you have against the Obama supporters.
I am not now and have never been a member of the Democratic Party.
But now we know what they are doing. Back then we were innocent and naive. Who would think that criminals would steal a whole election in cahoots with the scotus. Well, we aren’t naive anymore. This is a fight for our country.
Relatives driving this past week in GA, NC and SC said they saw a lot of McCain bumper stickers…no Obamas. They too would have preferred another Republican candidate but will not hesitate to vote McCain. By the way, they and many Repubs in GA voted for Obama in their open primary because he was considered the one easiest to win against - regardless of who the Republican candidate is.
He may take more time to get traction going. He was off the radar for a long time.
Money. Why spend it while Obama is still digging.
This article was linked from someone else. Thanks and sorry forgot your name, they were pointing the Hart quote and his article about Obama.
However, the few paragraphs quoted below are gold too.
At minimum, SIX to TEN percent of each state is what is in play for both Obama and McCain. And it looks like they are trying for the uninformed voters to offset the PUMAs, since they are redeploying the door to door effort.
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/visions_of_obama.html
“Plouffe, a cool-headed operator who helped engineer Obama’s nomination victory, says he doesn’t put much stock in national polls, since a presidential election is a state-by-state battle. Laying out the public version of his campaign’s strategy for a room full of reporters, he zeroed in on the most important target for both Obama and McCain.
“The people in the middle–in some cases we’re only talking about six to ten percent of the people in a state–they will decide the election,” Plouffe says. “Some of these voters just haven’t been consuming the political news . . . So we think we have some very, very important foundational work to do” in spreading Obama’s message.
He plans to redeploy a massive volunteer force, built during the primaries, on a door-to-door persuasion effort organized down to the precinct level.”
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The link within the article to his public version of his campaign strategy.
http://obama.3cdn.net/277bb8792237d562f2_9gm6bnupn.pdf
Golly, I can’t wait for an Obamatot to show up at my door or any in the complex where I live…many conservative military…decidedly not for Obama. But maybe they won’t put out the effort in CA since I’m sure they think its in the bag. Would love to hand them a surprise.
That would be even more enjoyable than getting one of those whiny letters from Obama begging for money. I love those.
Wouldn’t that be great?
I would love to chat one up too. The closest we got was the day after Kerry endorsed him.
She was essentially a telemarkter with a script, so it wasn’t nearly as fun as in-the-flesh-kool-aid-kid on the doorstep, would be.
You are right about CA though, we never get the same effort or the strange push calls that other states receive.
McCain taking CA would be one hell of a surprise.
Could you imagine? I wonder who would they blame for that, after all the talk of Obama changing the electorial map?
I did that during the primary on the phone with an old lady volunteer from his campaign — (they thought I was old). She was exasperated by the end and gave up on my vote. I later felt bad for going after her but felt if I turned at least one volunteer away by making her see the light — well, I can only hope! (didn’t some imbecile say hope was making a comeback again?)
He isn’t sleepwalking — he’s campaigning vigorously! Seriously, PUMAs, this is as good as you’re going to get from Grandpa McCain. lol. I really love this exchange here — the so-called HRC supporters worrying that *Republicans* aren’t enthusiastic enough about McCain. You’ve come a long way, baby.
They may not be enthusiastic on the surface but they want to win (Democrats, not so much) and theirs will be a protest vote against this unprepared hack of a nominee. We will help them win.
He’s conserving energy.
Letting the GIRL’s have their turn at the BEAT BARKY BOOTH!!
It’s been fun. This Blog. It’s been a serious OASIS for many of us.
I will remember No Quarter and the election of 08
20 yrs from now. If I’m not dead by then. I will tell my Great Grandkids & tell them to continue the story of how ONE small group joined with others all over the country (thanks to the NET) and empowered a NATION to NOT be BAMBOOZLED AGAIN!! And how we saved the Planet!
God Willing
We may have been ignored by the DNC and kicked to the Curb by the Obamabots but a harsh reality is now sinking in.
We’re the decider’s of elections!
Get in line democrats!. kiss my ass!
No election has ever been won without this coalition
FDR/Reagan/Clinton/McCain Democrats.
You lost this coalition this year!
I guess you just can’t fix stupid!!
… a harsh reality is now sinking in.
It’s more than that they need us. It’s MUCH worse than that. Think about it.
How did the Baby Jesus up there get in to start with? He gamed the caucuses and scammed on proportional delegate awards. What are there NONE OF in the general election?
Caucuses and proportional delegate awards.
Heh. Stupid, crooked little scam artist needs to win on a winner-take-all and direct-vote rulebook now.
You know — the same rulebook that says that Hillary won.
Heh heh heh. He’s toast. That arrogant, crooked SOB’s best game is looooong behind him. Crack open a beer or pour yourself a mixed drink or nice glass of wine and watch the fun.
Janis..You got that right!
Obama is on a false pedestal. he really hasn’t won much since February.
The fact that they can still anoint a nominee who clearly can’t win is travesty and mockery of our democratic system.
The democrat party has been bought by the internationalist’s such as Soro’s who don’t believe in our values and have thrown away our votes and our rights as citizens of the United States.
This is about saving the country from an illegal takeover!
Sorry Ed. This hound won’t hunt. My old Southern Granny used to tell me that she could be led about anywhere, but she never had been drove. For those of you not familiar with Southern vernacular, she meant that she could be persuaded to do about anything, but she couldn’t be made to do anything. It feels more and more like the Democrats think they don’t need to lead us back into the fold. They seem to think they can use Roe v. Wade and other issues to drive us.
I love that! And it is so true. If they think they can bully me or intimidate me, they need to think again. Voting for Obama would just be legitimizing all the sexism directed at Hillary and her female supporters this entire campaign. I “got over” their behavior during the Clarence Thomas hearings when they stood by and let Anita Hill be attacked for telling the truth about him, but I truly believed they were just old idiots who were clueless about sexual harassment. And I “got over” it when in Florida the party worked against Janet Reno in favor of the male candidate (who lost). But there is no getting over or excusing the behavior of the Obama campaign and supporters — this was pure unadulterated, evil, vindictive misogyny.
This is the perfect year and the perfect election to send a message to Howard Dean and any future leaders of the party that this will not be tolerated. They have already sat on their hands and let enough conservative justices be appointed to overturn Roe if they ever decide to (oh, no, we can’t filibuster Alito, that wouldn’t be nice), so that argument is nonsense. And they have actually stolen the nomination for a candidate who is less qualified and more frightening than the one being run by the Republicans. So I’m voting for McCain, I’m voting for any future opponent of Blanche Lincoln who is half-way acceptable, and I’m going to continue to do so until the Party Formerly Known as Democratic decides to readopt the principles that it used to stand for of equality and respect for everyone.
Ah, in Arkansas. I have wondered what the lay of the land is like there, politically speaking, these days. What is your sense of the state? I am particularly curious about NWA, if you’ve any knowledge.
I lived in Arkansas for several years.
Wonderfuly and insighfully said, MessyMarcy! I especially liked the reference to Anita HIll. I edited a book on Harassement in the Workplace at the time and could not forget reading about the relative silence of those could have spoken! So, now, that we can see clearly the nomination was stolen by the misogynist media frat-boys whose antics pushed an incompetent empty suit to the fraudulent ‘finish-line’, rather than accept it passively like some female recepticles they’d like women voters to be, Pumas will roar….
Good Luck! Keep the Faith!
right is right and wrong is wrong….Bill has done the time and he is RIGHT
PUMA
They are worried and trying to shame us into voting for Barky, but he’s just playing to America’s fear of recession. Once in office…well, spare me!
pinche negro mugroso. el barack hussein obama es una mierda de la ultima clase y es un racista contra los latinos,blancos,judiios, chinos, y homsexuales. es puro mierda el no tiene patriotism.VIVA!HILARYCLINTON
VIVA HILLARY CLINTON!!!
I’m a Catholic that has many Hispanic friends.
Obama has a bigger problem with Hispanics than with the bitter voters.
Hispanic people are hard working Catholics with a value system which is opposite to Black gangster culture that looks down on women as objects to be abused.
In Hispanic culture strong women are revered like the virgin Mary and Hillary.
Obama got a warm reception today at the Latino conference thingy, and McCain did not.
McCain has said he wouldn’t vote for his own immigration bill that he worked to pass. That hurt him with Latinos.
So we’ll see how that group lands. My thinking was that they would not turn out. Obama’s plan to facilitate legal status got alot of applause, so I could be wrong.
Don’t forget, Obama is good about stacking the deck in an audience. I don’t think McCain spends time worrying about keeping his potential detractors out of a room.
“Stagecraft” is what barky does best
It was a couple of anti-war protesters causing some problems not the Latinos.
Yes, and the Latinos in the audience BOO’D the protesters.
Obama helped stop this bill
Ann, you are one of the only people on NQ who seems to react to actual reality in a sane manner. Good for you. And you are right — Obama will utterly decimate McCain among Latinos. McCain of course once co-sponsored a rational, humane immigration bill, but he abandoned that months ago. Now he and the GOP in general are screwed with Latinos. Obama has that demographic in the bag.
Latinos are smart. They’ll notice Obama is a liar and a cheat, and that his fans act like brain-damaged weasels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuTV4IaVVa0
“sfhillary” lives in a dream world
latinos will not vote BO ~
ni pinche modo
[no f&$*in' way]
McCain got a big round of applause when he told the attendees to the Latino Conference that he had tried to work for an immigration bill to deal with the immigrants here, but that the people wanted the borders secured first. I don’t think the majority of Latino voters want an uncontrolled border either. So far, John McCain is doing well with Latino voters. It’s not pc to mention, but there is real tension between the black and Latino communities.
Apparently there were some Code Pink in the audience. The nightly noise didn’t show the rabble rousers but they didn’t expose the tactic either. This will catch up with him. It is a Bush like tactic. I thought we were finished with Bush. I guess we are seeing the little d Democratic party ripoff version.
IT WAS A CONFERENCE WITH LATINO CONGRESS PEOPLE/POLS.
NOT LATINO GROUPS.
I’m less willing to make blanket statements about whole cultures like this. My own can be incredibly feminist, and incredibly sexist as well. So can all cultures. I don’t care about whole cultures — what I care about is this one man who is a crooked, lying sack who hasn’t taken and defended a single strong stand in his life.
intiendo…
como se dice, en espanol, PUMA?
PUMA en espanol ~
yo creo, “jaguar”
pronounced hag-waar, accent on 2nd syllable
“leon de las montanas” is probably a little overblown, like king barack obama hisself . . .
Se dice PUMA tambien. Like the Rugby team in Argentina: Los Pumas.
bueno princedude!
“Que onda perro?”
perdoname mi espanol, pero:
exactamente ~ este foolano joto es un monton gigante de mierda.
obama = puro pedo!
[obama = total bullshit]
obama ~ ni pinche modo
[obama ~ no f%#&in' way!]
[amigo: de donde es Vd?
yo ~ gabacho de SoCal.
cuidate . . .]
loser
They can talk about unity all they want but all I hear when they talk is NO TO BO!
PUMA!
claro que si!
I can’t stop laughing about the MSM’s way of softening the blow with taglines like “Loyal Clinton supporters threaten to resist supporting Obama”. How convoluted and euphemistic!!! How about “Loyal Democrats Reject Obama”? Or, is that tag too succinct for today’s brand of journalism? Even FOX is putting on the kid gloves! I feel like I am living in an alternate universe. Really, I just want to wake up, Auntie Em!!!
H is the new W
just say NO to BHO
sumuchtosay — I don’t care what they call us as long as they talk about us everyday we win. If you can’t win 90% of Democrats you need to throw in the towel cause you ain’t gonna win.
We aren’t threatening to resist. We ARE resisting.
PUMA wins race with oppossum and hound
If Ed wants to be a lap dog for Bambi, let him. All it shows he’s a unprincipled SOB who puts the party before the country and a coward to boot to be bullied by a Chicago MacDaddy.
Let him rot.
And never , ever plead with a politician. They don’t respond to pleas, only bullying and bribes.
I don’t know how Ed can stand BOBO after that threatening phone call. After hearing about it I want to kick Obama’s ass for him. I used to just dislike him, now I despise him.
Don’t forget — he told everyone he could about that phone call. Heh. He yanked that bastard’s covers bad. And he’s still toeing the line only as much as they can force him to — NO other Obama “supporter” has the guts to call them out on the caucuses and proportional awarding. Rendell can be pushed, but only so far, and he at least seems to get what we’re pissed about, that we’re not just a bunch of pouting girlies with hurt fee-fees.
Now the talk is Hillary as possible VP:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/06/28/2008-06-28_hillary_clintons_vice_president_stock_is.html
I don’t think I could bear it!
Just talk…..there’s no way it would work.
Unless she knew something was coming down the pipe that would force him to step down.
I wonder how a BOBO administration would try to spin a VP Hillary cold cocking BOBO the first time he slipped and called her sweety?
Not enough for me at all — it’s NObama 08.
Nevertheless, wouldn’t it be fucking hilarious if the Baby Jesus got impeached while in office, and she had to take over? Hee hee hee …
Yes, that would be terrible!
Pls sign and circulate these petitions AGAINST Hillary having to be Obama’s VP.
http://www.pumaparty.com/hillarynovp
How about:
“Loyal Clinton Supporters Will Go To The Wall, Help Her Pay Off Her Debt So She Doesn’t Have to Endure Obama, Then We’ll See What Happens in August!”
Sent mine yesterday.
They almost never talk about WHY people won’t vote for Obama. If they do talk about it, it’s pretty much always by people who ARE going to vote for Obama and have no clue what’s going on. That’s why seeing someone like Harriet was so refreshing.
They are stuck on stupid!
Just joined HOUND
Name…Huckleberry Hound
Address…Hydrant st.
Waiting to roll on my back and get my tummy rubbed. lol
lol*……love it!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
There will be a meeting of the HOUNDs tommorow where they all can sniff each other’s butts and eat their own poop.
How appropriate!
LMAOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harp — Hilarious — ^5 ^5
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Hydrant St.?”
LOL!!!!!!!!
imust, no new information there, just speculation. If HRC becomes VP, she might have to divorce Bill first considering his mood and I don’t blame him
Actually, the thrust of the sickening article is that after 3 tries the Unity event was the one that demonstrated that she passed the “loyalty” test. Makes you want to throw up.
I’ll join up with the cats, myself. Dogs, too drifty.
Cats are independents.
Dogs follow in packs and take orders
Good one…..Ed is sending a secret message!
Cats rule, dogs drool.
Now wait a minute! As the owner of a rescued pooch, I take mighty exception to that ….
I am just surprised that they didn’t just come right out and pander totally and more directly with something like Puppies for Yuppies ….
Many a hound has regretted bothering a cat.
I don’t think Ed is serious about this. I’m sure someone put him up to it. He was sure to add the part about them not being anti-PUMA and agreeing with us on MANY issues, ONE of which being the undemocratic caucus system.
He’s with us…in private. I mean, seriously…a hound? It’s clearly a joke.
I thought about that too..how can he agree that the process was unfair and undemocratic and then turn around and say, now hop on board the unity train?
I heard Ed say on fox Friday that he drank the kool-aid and was supporting Obama. I thought Ed must have been reading the blogs to know that’s what we said to Obama supporters. I also heard there was a job offer for Ed, the head of some department,ether energy or transportation, I think.
Well, he ain’t gonna get it.
Happily for my home state, PA’s got him for a while yet. The one I’m worried about is Mike Nutter, bless him. I hate the idea of him getting punished for making the right choice.
I am totally with you. But Mayor Nutter has come to the attention of the public. Regardless of what happens there in Philadelphia, he has shown himself to be a man of amazing integrity and there are always places at the table for men like him.
Y`all just gotta see this! I was searching for the Hound site and I think I finally found it.
http://www.toontracker.com/huck/huck.htm
LOL…it’s perfect!
The biggest show in town is Hucklebama Hound
For all you guys and gals.
The biggest clown in town is Hucklebama Hound
With all his cartoon pals.
It’s Hucklebama fun, it’s for everyone,
So come on, gather ’round.
Get yourself all set,
Turn on your TV set
For Hucklebama Hound.
That oh, so merry, Chucklebama,
Hucklebama Hound.
How funny! My brother & grew up watching Huckleberry Hound in the sixties.
Off topic question sorry: I was on a youtube video site about Murphy’s PUMApac and an obambot troll commented that he had proof that PUMA was a repub site because he said Murphy was not a Clinton supporter, and not donated a dime to HRC but had given $500 to McCain…I know that’s not true. I thought I read she was either a Hillraiser or organized another Hillary blog. Anyone know? I want to respond to the bots charges.
Calling us Republicans seems to be the current favorite tactic of the Obamabutts. Who cares? I’m voting for McCain. If they want my vote again, give Hillary the nomination that she won.
She may have donated to Mccain, my sister made a contribution to McCain the day the rules committee stole Hillary’s votes. I plan on contributing to McCain after the convention, doesn’t make me a republican just a very mad Democrat.
Yeah, I agree, just wondering if anyone knew the blog Murphy was on before, may have been on the Hillary Clinton site itself.
Don’t know what blog she was on, but she admitted to the donation on the PUMA Pac website and in a tv interview.
I think she said she donated to McCain because she wanted him to defeat Bush.
Okay, thanks I went ahead and responded to the bot. I know she was on some Hillary blog, I just guessed and said Hillaryforum.
OK - I’ll bite — yes, this PUMA is a Republican ….for a day. Can you guess which day that’ll be??
Check out response to Ed’s HOUND at the Confluence as well!!!
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/saturday-ed-youre-making-this-too-easy/
Great article:
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2008/06/12/archimedes-lever/
Agree. Thank you!
I was reading on HotAir about how Bill isn’t supporting Obama (the KMA quote), and someone mentioned how Nixon quit instead of going through the impeachment process. Is that what the Dem elites are upset about? That Clinton stayed instead of giving Gore the go-ahead which may have secured his re-election. Is this why Gore blamed Bill for his losing the election? And why Kerry didn’t even want him around? The republicans seem to think that no one likes Bill, and I’m betting most of the Dem elite think so as well. They’d be wrong. But I think this is payback. They simply wanted a way to oust the Clintons but it backfired.
But you know what’s funny, Bill is the only two term President in over 40 years (maybe 50). And Obama is nothing more than a wannabe at this point. Then again, earning his dues is not something Obama can do. The Obama supporters don’t understand this little principle. Then again, they don’t understand much about anything.
I personally think that’s all it is. Bill and Hillary are from my original home state, Arkansas. They never were Washington elite types. And yet Bill was a brilliant politician who managed to do what they couldn’t.
I think they are the sore losers, personally. They never could close the deal and win.
Absolutely. THAT’S the bottom line.
Bill Clinton - from his VERY humble beginnings, became President of the most powerful country in the world. Twice.
And even with his dirt, STILL left the White House well-loved and respected by many Americans and many people throughout the world.
And many of his peers - with all of their pedigrees, with all of their Ivy League degrees and privileged backgrounds and high social standings - haven’t even come CLOSE.
and they THOUGHT they were reproducing a black version of Bill with Obama
until they ALL did a little more digging (we’re not in Kansas anymore Dorothy!) LOL
now they’re just too embarrassed or stubborn to admit they were the ones that were “hoodwinked”
I’d hate admitting it too.
But I would.
Will, as usual, great job. It takes guts to get up there and I know I am not alone when I say thank you on behalf of all of us that you speak for.
Divided government works.
…at least it works when Pelosi and Reid aren’t always caving to the executive branch. It’s quite the tragedy that our leaders in the congress need BOBO to save them from themselves.
Ed’s H.O.U.N.D. is really a covert stop Obama acronym: It really means
Hoping
Obama
Unites
No
Democrate
This makes more sense.
Here’s Obama Understanding NO Deal…
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Health/ht_the_truth_060727_ssv.jpg
LOLOLOL
NO DEAL
Absolutely F***** tremendous. Well done!!
LOVE that picture! Can’t you just hear that baby?
HOPING
OBAMA
UNITES
NO
DEMOCRATS
Will, you’re getting better and better, each time you do these. Thanks so much for standing up like you have & speaking for us all. I don’t know how you do it!
I was just over at hound`s message board. What a hoot.
http://www.padems.com/action/forum
Conservatives attack Obama for race-baiting
Thank goodness someone other than NPR is calling him out on it!
Hound what an insult to my dogs! Sorry Ed I ain’t scooping the poop!
I have a feeling when they find out we’re not buying the HOUND gimmick (in fact we’re having a lot of fun with it, much like the fake seal), the HOUND will be UNDER THE BUS!
It is a bit like the great seal, isn’t it.
How corny can these people get?
Poor Obama……has to Hound Democrats to vote for him.
AnninCA, It does smack a bit of the corny seal and the cutsie wootsie “unity” meeting in Unity, Hounds…all full or symbolism and all.
By the way, my home state too…originally from Van Buren.
Have always loved Big Bill. I was in a street crowd in SF when Bill came through on a campaign stop in the Mission District in ‘92 and where he was universally adored. There is some strange ego/envy that has always been directed toward him. Men especially need a healthy, strong ego to feel his equal. When he was weakened during the last term, many of them salivated in the hope he’d fall. They’ve nursed a grudge ever since. A few years ago he was in Monterey at the Panetta Institute for a talk and held the audience in his hand; never condescending, always bringing the crowd along to understand economics, strategies, etc.
Obama wants to take him down as a show of power. He’s trying to take his place. Dream on little boy, you’ll never measure up to him or his solid accomplishments. He’s still loved around the world even if his own party has stabbed him in the back. He’s in pretty good company. Churchill was dumped by the Pols of his day too but was loved by the people and came back stronger than ever.
Bill Clinton could read a Campbell’s soup can and make it sound interesting. Obama can’t speak without a telepromptr. There is no way to compare them. None. Real Deal vs. Posseur. Authentic vs. Phoney. Walk vs. Talk. Deeds vs. Words.
Bubba vs. Flubba
Help
Obama
Understand –
No
Deal!
I initially considered voting for Hillary as VP and not voting for President-but it is so sickening seeing her stand next to that obscenely rude and unpolished creep -I just dont think I could do it. Plus I doubt she would want to be his VP-who would want to clean up his messes.
Good for Bill.
Obama team: Is this change we can believe in?
I don’t know if this story about Bill Clinton is true [basically saying Obama can kiss his ass]. But you know what? I hope it’s true.
The total disrespect and now this fake kissy-face Barack Obama is attempting is downright sickening. He went to town on Bill Clinton and his eight years in office during the primary, had no problem shredding HRC for her policy positions [which are now his positions] and then expects Bill Clinton to march right out there and whip the voters into shape?
Get real.
Let Obama have Jimmy Carter shill for him. He’s had no time or respect for either one of the Clintons for the last 18 months. If I were Bill Clinton, I’d tell him to screw it! With or without Bill, Obama lost my vote long ago.
PUMApac.org
who took my blog off in spanish!!! viva hillary!!!
When I hear the term Hound, I think of that whole Take a Bite Out of Crime spiel.
Then I realize that’s precisely what I’m going to do in November when I vote for McCain.
DNC = corruption, kick backs, quid pro quo endorsements and forwarding of lobbyists’ agendas.
Hound sounds just about right to me.
They have Obama girl but we have Hillary man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbH7PnMmLyI
love Hillary man
well sorry, for Obama girl, have you seen McCain girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3dy6myWxg8
LOL That works for me.
Thanks for sharing!
LOL me too.
In the hisorical words of Bill Clinton. Barak Obama would have to kiss my a$$ for me to vote for him.
Even if he kissed my ass I still wouldn’t vote for him. It would be a wasted kiss.
What an insult to Bill! He’d never sell his vote that cheap.
I hope if there’s any truth to this at all, it’s just that Bill said the equivalent of “F–k off!” Meaning he would NEVER vote for Obama.
PUMA!
Can someone please give me some good news and tell me approximately how many members these 200 coalitions that are against Obama have? Are there hundreds, thousands, or millions?
3 million and growing
I think is much bigger then people can imagine. Just because people don’t out right declare them self as PUMA supporters they will still not vote for Oboama.
Both the ABC poll and the AP poll show that as much as 25% of HIllary voters will vote for McCain.
25% of 18 million?
Plenty of voters to LOSE in November.
Yes, that’s over 4million already telling the pollsters that they will vote for McCain. (Same in April and more recently.)
And on blogs I see a lot of people saying they won’t vote for McCain but will not vote for Obama either. So add them above the 4million.
As to the people in justsaynodeal, nobody has a count, but iirc Diane has got about 125,000 supportive emails. Or was that 125 million?
Anyway she could use some donations, she’s getting swamped with people and media.
WEll, strike the 125,000.
One polling company said 28% though. And those who were voting for Obama were like 53%.
WEll, strike the 125,000,000, should be 125,000.
One polling company said 28% though. And those who were voting for Obama were like 53%.
No obama ever.
Please watch this new Hillary You Tube. It’s important.
Everyone…please view it and pass it on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwYu_-2jQw
Love the creativity. Rise Hillary Rise!
NOBAMA
not all that important
Obama’s aids are saying he might retain Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense under his administration…
http://www.obama-wire.com/
Ain’t nothing but a Hound Dog — Ain’t no friend of mine. This little song was going through my mind as I worked.
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine
Well they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Yeah they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine
Well they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Yeah they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine
Well they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Ya know they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
You ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog
Cryin’ all the time
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
You ain’t no friend of mine
As Performed By:
Elvis
Words and Music by:
Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller
http://www.smickandsmodoo.com/1957/hounddog.htm
Geesh, that kind of works..thanks Elvis..LOL!
Operation HOUND is ill-advised. It would just create faction — too many grievances with the DNC’s
We
Helped
Obama
Rig the
Election
Set
‘Who let the dogs out?’
Hey PUMAs- I see a new youtube video against the HOUNDS with that song..’who let the dogs out…
It has been many years ago since I read the Hound of the Baskervilles, but weren’t they hounds that did not bark?
I really like some of the new meanings of hound that have been written here.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
Will you were fantastic. Anyone watching for the first time and asking the same question I get over and over…”who do I vote for? I don’t like Oracist, but what’s left? ” I have no choice but vote for Oracist. This will be helpful.
I too repect the Gov, but here is where we part ways. I like all here have sooo many reasons I won’t, can’t vote for ORacist.
1. He’s Racist
2. He’s Sexist
3. He’s UNqualified
4. He’s Inexperienced
5. His friends
6. His Mentors
7. His business Associates
….anyway, you get my point.
Somewhere around 1,2,3 is a place for you Mr President. After the treatment from Onoexperience during the Primaries…even though it’s politics, if I were you I would DEMAND that the punk Kiss MY Ass too.
Thank you Bill and Hillary for loving this country. Thank you Bill for doing all you could to help get the best, smartest, most ready person elected.
PUMA
Hillary/McCain ‘08
rise Hillary rise
Why not counter with HOWND
Having
Obama
Would
Not
Do
This is Rendell’s last term as governor. Unless he can secure something in Obama’s administration, he’s sort of at the end of his rope. His campaign support for Obama, while disappointing, is not a surprise as they all do what politician’s do - a Rev Wright reminded/warned us.
Thanks Will for your courage and willingness to keep our voices out there- NOBAMA-ever
The elvis song is a right on rebuttal to HOUND- hounds are crying all the time and you ain’t never been a PUMA and you ain’t no friend of mine.
Yet I also think this whole cult movmement of Obama is better represented by this one. It is alot more scary- just like the candidate and his supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7bMdAyPes
[...] There have been several good responses to these - an excellent one at The Confluence and this graphic one from Dances with Pumas [...]
Will shall be a guest on No We Won’t blog radio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
tonight at 8 PM. Tune in - your chance to ask him questions
Great article! Isn’t it time that all of the Democrats in high places stand up and do what is right for America and not there bank accounts? Come on Ed what did he promise you? How much did it cost for you to sell out Hillary and the American people??? I cann’t believe that all the Democrats are being bought out! WTF?
I like your letter to Rendell but I will point out that most people consider me pretty leftist and I take umbrage at the fact that you think it is only moderate democrats that don’t support Obama.
In fact one of my main reasons for not supporting Obama from the beginning was all his trash talk about the democrats. He constantly talked about bringing people in Washington together. Implying that democrats were equally responsible for for the gridlock there. Implying that democrats weren’t compromising enough. Well I considered that the warning siren that this guy was not a leftist and if anything wanted to make even more compromises with the repugs. Absolutely the last thing I want to see.
I liked Hillary because she has no illusions about what the repugs are capable of and will stand her ground and make them come to her rather than the constant crawling to the right that the usual cowardly democratic pol exhibits. So Obama showing more of his true core beliefs now is no surprise to me. I’d go so far as to call him a DINO.
I am definitely to the left of Obama.
Like Krugman says, Obama’s health plan is Republican - way further to the right than HRC’s. Ditto his economic recovery plan. As far as environmental - they guy’s wife has a full length white mink coat. What clueless planet does she live on?
Yes, Obama is a corporate dream candidate, always has been. He got a good on-paper liberal voting record on things like abortion (which the corporations favor) but off the record he always changes the fine print to favor the money interests.
He’s a token ‘reformer’, to pacify the reform movement that a ‘reformer’ has been elected, but in fact always sides with the money machine. (Married MIchelle whose father was with Daley Sr, then later endorsed Daley Jr as a ‘healing thing’.)
Like Pelosi, he has a reputation among shallow thinkers as extreme liberal — but it’s really just extreme elitism.
Will is great. I want to see him throw in WHY
PUMA people are angry with DNC. Even if it isn’t asked.
Can’t we get someone better than Will Bower to go on TV? He says nothing and is not impressing or persuading anyone.
He is okay; don’t be too harsh on him. They give him a very short time and he makes some points. He smiles a lot –maybe it’s nervousness but it is good antidote to the “bitter” label. Try to listen to him without watching.
I personally prefer Diane Mantouvalos. She was on Cavuto re: Just say no deal a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAGAuoSgbI0
She’s smart and eloquent and quick to reply on her feet.
Yeah
He looked a bit nervous but he was respectful and I agree the smiling is a good antidote.
He got across the point that these groups agree on not voting for Obama, and was respectful about everyone’s choice in that regard.
Voting for McCain or not…etc.
It was also a nice change that a man spoke about the issues.
I agree. He’s a nice guy, but too mellow and not specific enough. This is a serious threat to our democracy, and not just a “tv moment” for people. I would like to see a variety of representatives who have some experience with public speaking, and are prepared with specific answers to the coalition’s goals and the repeated dismissive attitude about being “sore losers” and why McCain’s opposing policies are being considered.
We need a rajin’ Cajun type–someone fiesty and forceful.
Wonderful letter SusanUnPC!! Absolutely excellent.
Love the picture of the hound dog; can’t stop laughing.
I watched Will yesterday; he was great and I like a lot he always smiles and looks so calm. Next to Michelle O., it’s clear who is the bitter and resentful one…
I get frustrated when I see Puma speakers interviewed, because there is not an emphasis on the DNC’s manipulation and violation of the party’s own rules and principles to select and force on us an illegitimate nominee. His experience, lack of judgment, weak character, and hypocrisy are all secondary (but important!) to this fundamental fact. The DNC rigged the nomination–period. THAT is a key reason why we will not endorse him.
Also, specific examples of all of these points is very important, so the groups do not look like they are just being emotional and reactionary. Few interviewees have a ready and convincing answer to why Clinton supporters could back McCain because his policies are so different. If we want to go beyond being a novelty, the message(s) need to be clear, strong and consistent.
Re Telegraph article on President Bill Clinton:
“Bitter,” my ass!
Bill could be angry or saddened about what’s happening to the United States of America, and other events around the world, which he might perceive as connected. I assume that, unlike most of the U.S. blogging world, he gives thought daily to the scope of things beyond Obama and the DNC, that he knows what the European Council on Foreign Relations is currently up to, and what Karl Popper’s book, “The Open Society…” was about, and that Popper was Soro’s mentor, and that Soros is a founding member of the ECFR. If there is a deathly disaster coming economically, he sees it; if things are falling into place for terrible wars, he sees it. If the U.S.A. is relentlessly being torn to shreds, the people being turned against one another instead of unified to a noble cause, he sees it.
The Sunday Telegraph, a flagship publication of British right-wing, is hardly on the side of the General Welfare or the lower 80 percent of the economic spectrum which Hillary Clinton has arguably spent her public life representing and trying to help.
How would WE like to be in Bill’s shoes?
Yes, he is a human being, imperfect. Yes, he is a politician. He is also very intelligent and informed and experienced.
I’m not bitter. I’m angry. The war is not over. Bitter implies having lost. That’s just the “meme” the Telegraph and the cartel media are pissing all over us. To them, I spit expletives. They are below the scum in the filthiest of gutters.
I can’t read the thoughts of Bill and Hillary Clinton and I don’t have a crystal ball. But I know what I know, and I know how much I don’t know.
Our children–future generations–are going to suffer beyond our imaginings because we are so entertainment-oriented, stupidified and helpless.
Unless we choose to change. Very, very soon.
The last two paragraphs of the Telegraph article:
“Joe Klein, the author of Primary Colours, a fictionalised account of Mr Clinton’s 1992 election, who has known the former president for 20 years, said he also heard that he was ‘very, very bitter’, from people who have spoken with him.
‘It’s time for him to get over it or go off and do his charitable work. He knows the rules of the road. What’s going on now is kind of strange. I think his behaviour is really, really shocking.’”
Time magazine, Joe Klein’s column of March 26, 2008: “Is Al Gore the Answer?”. . .
Klein predicts that “if this race continues to slide downhill, the answer to the Democrat Party’s dilemma may turn out to be Al Gore.” Klein projects a scenario in which the Democratic Party elders decide that neither Hillary or Obama is viable, so they convince 100 or so superdelegates to sit out the first vote at the Convention, denying both candidates the 2025 votes needed for nomination. They then approach Gore to be the nominee “for the good of the party”–with Obama as his running mate.
Klein adds that one “prominent fund-raiser” told him, “Gore-Obama is the ticket a lot of people [Who? Soros? the DNC?] wanted in the first place.”
Yesterday I read myiq2xu at Klownhaus, Which ends with…
“Now the situation isn’t hopeless. There are alternatives. The Democratic convention isn’t until August. One alternative would be to nominate Hillary Clinton. Of course, that would anger the rabid Obama supporters, and despite their “get over it” rhetoric they would likely refuse to support Hillary.
But like I said, it isn’t about Hillary. Even though we believe her to be by far the best available candidate, there are other Democrats that PUMA’s would support. Al Gore probably tops that list, but Chris Dodd, Joe Biden and Wesley Clarke [sic] are qualified for the job, as would be Madeline Albright or Dianne Feinstein. There are others as well.”
Well, as Will Bower said, we do agree on one thing . . .
I’ve maintained for months that (unelectable) Obama is just a toy to take out the Clintons because Senator Clinton is the closest thing to an FDR Democrat on the horizon. Soros and mega-speculator financier friends are holding who in the wings for a surprise draft by the superdelegates at the convention in late August? My bet? Al Gore. He’s one of them. The Telegraph will love him. The globalist cartels have him by the balls. And if that’s the plan, maybe Bill and Hillary Clinton can smell the stink of it.
Gary McGowan:
Excellent, well said. Thank you for your comment!!
I agree with those who say that we should emphasize the corruption of the DNC as well as Obama.
Slate.com offered up this Obamism — (apparently there will be a book out soon with a collection of reader entries)
“Baracktose intolerant: (buh-RAK-tohs in-TOL-er-uhnt) adj. An increasingly common medical condition in which the affected person becomes violently sick in the stomach when exposed to adulation and deification of Barack Obama.”
It appeares that Obama’s ass-kissers(that includes liberal news/medias) are trying to make us believe that Bill already lost his reputation as a former US president for not bending to the knees of their Lord Obama and following his orders. For me, it is not Bill who is in verge of losing his reputation but it is the Party leaders who already lost trust/respect of its members as they continue to exhibit paranoid ideations(possibly the side-effects of Obama’s Kool-Aid) by labeling Bill as a racist person. At least, Bill did not attended a racist church listening hate-mongering craps for over 20 years. People who are claiming that Bill may be losing his reputation are same people who are blowing their empty bags since the beginning of this year. Go Bill!! You are a great person and anyone who claims that you are a racist are racist theselves to begin with.
Go PUMAs!!!
We are strong and our voices are being heard…. are we seeing the birth of a real 3rd party with a mission?
Obama, behave as a gentleman (do you know what that means?) and withdraw from the race. You will not win and even if by some miracle you do you will drag our country down to your gutter depths. Do the right thing, apologize to the Clintons and their supporters, and leave all this behind.
Great job Will, thanks! Hope to see you on again really soon.
Maybe Ed is putting out the HOUND thing simply to give PUMAs more press. I find it hard to believe that he is so eager to have Obama win after he pushed back hard against the idea of being his VP and also leaked the whole ‘we don’t need the people, we just need the checks’ quote from Obama. I look at this HOUND group as a blessing in disguise as it pushes our cause to the forefront. Besides, the name HOUND and the idea of it seem a lackluster attempt to unite us.
Will is great - very well spoken and intelligent.
I hope he doesn’t crack under pressure.
I will never vote for Obama no matter what and I hope we all hang together for that.
Janis, right on!
The Obamabots should APOLOGIZE TO PRES. BILL CLINTON FOR THEIR **RACE-BAITING AND **NEGATIVE SPIN TO THE MEDIA OF EVERYTHING HE SAID! THEY HAVE VILIFIED A PRESIDENT WHO DID MORE IN A MONTH THAN THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DESTROYED IN 7 YEARS!
EVEN ‘FAIRY TALE’ DONNA BRAZILE FOUND OFFENSIVE!
OBAMA’S BIGGEST INSULT WAS HIS SPEECH WHERE HE PRAISED THE TRAJECTORY OF REAGAN AND BUSH SR. AND TOTALLY IGNORED AND VILIFIED BILL CLINTON!!
McCain ‘08
for PUMAs
Thanks Will Bower! Keep the Faith!
LARRY JOHNSON, WE LOVE YOU and HILLARY!
KEEP UP THE HARD WORK. WE’RE GRATEFUL FOR THE TRUTH!
A Democrat
PRES. BILL CLINTON,
WE RESPECT AND LOVE YOU FOR BEING THERE FOR OUR HILLARY! TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH AND DON’T THINK ABOUT THESE OBAMATHUGS WHOSE MOTHERS WERE ‘PUNISHED WITH CHILDREN’ AS OBAMA WOULD HAVE IT!…
PumaDems for Bill!
With Gratitude.
Indigogirrrrl - I love your comment:
I’ll be Republican for one day…gues what day that will be!
Yup, November 4th like all of us 18 million other Republicons!…
Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton
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