Red Dirt Talk - Part 1, the Setup
By CRAIG DELLA PENNA on June 29, 2008 at 6:30 PM in Barack Obama, Bolshevikization, Bush/Cheney, David Axelrod, Democratic Party, Electability, Hillary Clinton, Iraq, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Obama's Thugs
So it looks like Hillary and Bill, kinda, are going to be good Democrats and try to lead the Unity Donkey down the garden path. A lot of folks will sigh “Oh well, we tried.” and trudge back into line because they been told (and so they believe) that Obama is the lesser of two evils, that a McCain presidency would be such a catastrophic event that it is simply unthinkable… some of us won’t buy that for any price. We’re hearing hysterical wailings about the dreadfulness of McCain and blue sky predictions about the coming Obamatopia. Not so fast…
Most of the time, in business, in life and in politics, people throw around “blue sky” predictions. A lot of us do it for the sake of optimism, salesmen and politicians do it for a living. This is not a bad thing, per se, and we learn to counter the ‘blue sky’ talk with a healthy dose of skepticism: “Oh, come on,” we’ll say, “don’t tell me that Mustang GT was only driven on Sundays by a little old lady who never went over twenty miles per hour – I just don’t believe you.” It tends to work out and if it doesn’t, well, experience is a very fine teacher.
Sometimes, however, in life and business… and in politics, we need to get down from the blue sky to what I call the “Red Dirt Talk”. What are the numbers? Who’s on the hook? Who gets what and when do they get it? And the bedrock question: What’s it going to cost me?
I think we’ve reached a Red Dirt Talk point now – there can be as many Red Dirt Talk points as needed –we need to sit down, stare at the wall and really think about where we are, how we got here and what we really want to do next. It’s important, critical in fact, because history will be changed by what we do in the next several months – even if we do nothing at all, the world will change, just a bit, go there when it might have gone here… and a different future unfolds.
Let’s review the facts, then look at the options and see if we can form a plan.
Fact: Hillary blew the campaign - why? I don’t know, maybe Patti Solis Doyle was a fifth columnist but they should not have lost all those caucuses, especially after they did it right in Nevada. I don’t like it but it’s true.
Fact: the Democratic Party nomination has been taken from the obviously stronger, better qualified candidate and bestowed upon the weaker and less qualified candidate.
There are numerous theories about who did what to whom, all the way from the massive collusion plot in which the Bushies have manipulated this in order to stage a coup before the election to the David Axelrod channeling Karl Rove with the complicity of the radical leftie-Bolsheviks to take over the Democratic Party for nefarious purposes (I actually kinda like that one myself). For the purposes of the Red Dirt Talk, it doesn’t really matter. It has happened, barring a major reversal of fortune, BHO will be the Democratic Party candidate this fall.
“A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall (almost 4 million voters) — and another 17 percent (a little over 3 million) would vote for McCain.” –CNN (parentheses are mine). So, if we use 2004 as the baseline - GWB won with 62 million voters vs Kerry’s 59 million. then take away 4 million Democratic votes, that leaves BHO with 55 million.
Now take away another 3 million from that (Clinton supporters who will not stay home but will vote for McCain) and add 3 million to the Republican side. You end up with 65 million for McCain to 52 million for BHO. There is a word for this: landslide.
Fact: the Democratic Party won the 2006 congressional elections and now has a majority in both houses (233 v 202 in the House and 51 v 49 in the Senate) - granted the Senate majority rests on two independents and Lieberman is a Republican in all but name. This is certainly not veto-proof territory but it is also certainly enough to stop inimical legislation and prevent more damage by the GWB crowd… you would think.
Curiously enough, there has been no action to counter GWBs excesses and people in leadership roles have averred that any health care reform is DOA. Impeachment is, famously, off the table sez Ms Pelosi (in one of the greatest acts of political stupidity in the history of American politics). Our several wars go merrily on their way, dispensing billions in government contracts (the cost of the Iraq war is now $5,000 per second) to titular American companies who have shifted their HQs to Dubai to avoid paying American taxes. GWBs tax cuts for the rich go on and on with no end in sight.
Remind me: what is it that makes Democrats so different from Republicans?
Estimates are that Democrats will pick up 15 more House seats in the Fall and as many as 6 more Senate seats. That would give an incoming Democratic president a 248 to 187 advantage in the house an 57 to 43 in the Senate well within arm-twisting range of a filibuster-proof majority (AKA rubber stamp Congress).
In the technology world there’s a thing called “FUD”, it stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Dismay. It’s a propaganda strategy that Microsoft used effectively for years to destroy its rivals. Keep overhyping your (usually mediocre) accomplishments, trumpeting the crushing inevitability of your overwhelming (potential) victory, demeaning the quality and value of your competition with innuendo and implications of questionable moral lapses. Your target audience may not like you very much but they become afraid to stand against you… and your success is assured.
If this feels familiar it is because the Obamabot/bolsheviks are waging a FUD campaign against you right now. To recognize this is to resist it, be aware.
I cite specifics of BHO’s programs from his website but they seem to change depending on the audience he’s speaking to at the moment. I’ve also included John McCain’s positions on the same subjects. We can all run around with our hair on fire screaming and yelling about our issues and concerns but, at some point, we need to put on our critical thinking caps and look at the choices we have to make.
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NOTE: Parts 2 through 4 will be published in the coming days.
From my blog, The Heraclitan Fire.
Your pronouncement of landslide is based on flawed calculations I think. You are presuming that the total number of votes in Nov 2008 will be close to the total number of votes in Nov 2004. Don’t you need to figure in the added number of registered Democratic voters this year before you subtract the Hillary voters not supporting Obama?
You may be right, trouble is - no one really knows who will actually vote this year: will the young people actually vote? Will those increased voter registrations actually result in more Democratic votes? Will the PUMA people stand firm? How many are there, really?
At the very least it will be interesting…
Those college students will be nowhere in sight come November once their messiah gets beat up in a real campaign fight. Young people cannot handle any kind of adversity — they slink away, unable to face a fight or accept defeat.
As a former employer of high school and college students, I dealt with this for many years — these kids grew up with no one ever saying “no” to them. That’s why we see all the temper tantrums when Obama is challenged!
They will be psychologically unable to accept that they voted for a failure, so they will not vote at all — then they can say to themselves that they are not losers.
Besides that, the Obama people don’t appear able to count: even if all the blacks and all the college students in this country did vote for him, they are not enough to win Obama the White House.
How many new voters were actually for Clinton? I don’t think Obama had the corner on this market except that was his spin. Also the republican for a “day campaign” vote for Obama does not lend itself for Republican voting for Obama in Nov. especially with all of the trash about Rev Wright and Ayers. The biggest clue is Obama’s drop in fund raising as McCain’s is now going up. All of those republican for a day and republican donations for the day went back home to the RNC.
Clinton lost the caucuses not because her campaign was inept (although it was inept), but because Repubs in those red states were organized to crossover and vote against her. (Time magazine wrote a whole piece on this subject last November.) On top of that, Howard Dean spent huge sums of Dem. Party money in all those states to organize loyal activists to turn out the Dem. voters for Obama.
The blog writer makes light of it, but this was a long-running, well-orchestrated conspiracy to take out Clinton. Given the stakes involved here, I doubt we’ll be looking back on this chuckling a few years from now.
I was thinking the same thing. Additionally, Republicans may not vote in numbers that they previously voted because may are demoralized at this point in time. But, when you consider the number of Democrats who have indicated that they will not vote in the general election, or who will not vote for the presidential choice, this may cancel out the number of Republicans who may stay home in the general election.
Also, don’t assume that every new voter is a Democrat. Barack was not the only person who was able to draw people into politics. You also cannot assume that these new voters will even take the opportunity to vote come election day. They are “unproven” voters.
Finally, it is the electoral vote that matters. Even if the Democratic party has managed to register many new Democrats, the more important aspect of this is from which state these Democrats are registered. Gaining many new voters in states like California, New York, and Illinois will not help a win in the electoral college. All three of these states will probably voter Democrat in the upcoming general election. It’s the states like Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Missouri, and Nevada which have had close results in recent past general elections that could add electoral votes to the Democrat’s column if the party has managed to increase their party membership in these states. Without winning these five states in the general election, I think the Democrats will have a tough time obtaining the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Couple this with the swing states of Ohio, Florida, and West Virginia which are all hard sells for Obama, then McCain will win the presidency.
Regardless of how this all plays out, this Democrat wants a McCain victory.
I just cannot believe that any republican looking at Obama would sit at home! Hell, they ought to be running to the polls to vote McCain. With all of us dems (who know the real Obama) comparing the 2, we find McCain to be the more trustworthy and experienced. There is no way that any real conservative will risk an Obama candacy! I just can’t imagine they could sit and watch!
This is for the REPUBLICANS who will not vote and stay home because you are pissed up for whatever reason. I am a demo I will not stay home because I believe in my FREEDOM of SPEECH. If you think you have a problem now, just wait. I OWN MY VOTE, just like you all, if I cannot have HILLARY, I will not settle and in return lose my voice. After August I will be ready to vote, I will not play the DNC game.
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I am so upset. I just had my weekly phone call with our son who lives in London and (somehow) it got onto the subject of Obama and ended with my hanging up…on my baby!
He’s more liberal than I am and told me that we cannot support anyone but Obama because he is the lesser of two evils and that HRC is out of it…so I have to get over it.
I was spitting mad. I sat quietly while I listened to him. I told him I hope he feels better soon (he’s got the flu) and that I will speak with him in a couple of weeks.
We have always been on (nearly) the same page. I am so pissed that Obama has been allowed to do this horrible thing to this nation…and now my own family.
Fuck Obama. Royally!
*hugs* I know how hurtful it can be sometimes, but don’t worry… your son still loves you to bits! Maybe in time he’ll change his mind about his choice of candidate, maybe he won’t. But I’m sure that his choice won’t affect the two of you for long.
But I do agree with you - it’s horrible that all this has caused way more rifts than it should have. I’m actually from the UK (and 23 yrs old) but I’m watching the US with a constant shocked look on my face… every day I read more about Obama and think “Why are Americans falling for it??”. Obviously it’s not all of you, and I hope it’s not most! I just pray that in the end people WILL wake up.
Like I say, don’t worry about your son - things will work out in time.
*hugs* from me too!
I’m having the same argument with my dear husband. We are both very liberal and like most of us on NQ don’t fit into the MSM’s stereotype of the Hillary supporter.
My dear husband is very concerned about Roe v. Wade, as well as the future of the Supreme Court, and has decided that without a Democratic President we are doomed to lose our advantage. We’ve had some very heated exchanges and I’ve tried to tell him all the “red dirt” facts, but even though he’s very disappointed that Hillary will probably not be the nominee, he will vote for Borat. I am too concerned about the dangers of electing Borat, as well as angry at the DNC for shoving an “inadequate” candidate down my throat, and I will not be voting for him.
My solution? I now realize I am powerless to change my husband’s mind. Maybe a few years from now, if he sees that a McCain presidency hasn’t flushed our country down the toilet, and Hillary is elected in 2012, he’ll see that everything worked out. But for now, I am doing what Tina Fey is doing: telling him that I will vote for Borat in order to keep the peace. I have told him that I will not stop my pursuit of the truth about Borat, nor will it EVER make me approve of him as a candidate. Talk about holding my nose! But I will probably vote for McCain if writing Hillary in isn’t possible in California.
If my choice is keeping my vote a secret from him or continuing to argue, then so be it, I will have to lie to him. But that doesn’t stop me from doing everything else in my power to continue the fight for Hillary and the battle against everyone like Kerry, Pelosi and Dean.
There shouldn’t be anything to argue about. I’m assuming he wants you to respect his choice to vote for Obama-you deserve the same courtesy from him to not vote for him without lying about it. For me, there is no way I would do that. They could like it or lump it.
My husband loves Hillary, likes McCain and thinks Obama is “sleazy” and “fake.” Unfortunately, he is a Canadian and can’t vote. He loves Republicans, though. He says as soon as we move back to the States, we’re buying a handgun.
hillarysmygirl:
Well, my position about SCOTUS is that it is up to Congress (Senate) to confirm and from what I know about BHO if he comes with a horrible nominee the DEMS in the Senate will NOT be able to stop it. On the other hand if McCain comes with someone unacceptable the Senate can do what it did to Robert H. Bork. In other words; gievn I DO NOT TRUST BHO
AT ALL; it is worst for teh Senate to have him than McCain. The latter they can fight with. With BHO they’ll have to eat it up and then we wil be screwed.
The Senate should have enough majority to exercise its power. Better to have McCain to oppose than BHO to abide by. Congress is crazy if they think they’ll be able to manipulate BHO: do you know who is really behind him? I don’t.
I think the best Vote is McCain for experience, and character; and Democratic on the rest of the ticket. With the expected Democratic “Wave”, they will end up with a strong majority in both Houses. The majority of the “issues” are handled in the Congress. If the Dems really want to end the War in Iraq, they can stop the funding. Even though there are some McCain issues that I don’t agree with, I trust him more than Obama. I don’t think Obama really believes in anything except himself. I know politicians change positions when running for office, but Obama has absolutely NO track record to look at. All we have are his Words, and they keep changing. A strong Democratic Congress and McCain as President, would be the best government under these circumstances.
But I will probably vote for McCain if writing Hillary in isn’t possible in California.
A Hillary write in the State of Clasifornia is vote for BO, vote for McCain.
That is tough. I am lucky. My husband decides all the big important things like which car we will drive on vacation, what restaurant we go to, how we hang the TP, what laundry detergent we use and I decide the stuff like filling out our absentee ballots.
that’s too bad that your son used that tone w you-you have to get over it? He apparently is not looking at Obama’s total picture and has bought into much of what is being said and that we are all angry simply because Hillary had the nom stolen.
I learned the hard way not to talk politics w many people. My mother was so mad that I didn’t vote for George Bush that she called me some nasty names that I don’t care to repeat here-I went to work crying my eyes out and continued to cry for an hour. I couldn’t believe my own mother of all people would talk to me that way just because we disagreed on politics. I didn’t talk to her for a year after that. Stand firm w your son and the next time you speak w him stand your ground and tell him you simply can’t support Obama and you expect him to respect your decision just as he expects you to respect his. If he tries to argue w you about it just tell him you’re not going to discuss it. For the sake of your sanity and the relationship w your son.
I don’t have the pleasure of arguing with a son or daughter over who we should or should not support for President. What I do have are my convictions and the amount of time and energy I have put into knowing the candidates and following the blogs, and news. I can see and smell a DemocRAT and that is what O and his supporters are. this is the year of the Rat. But he won’t win because in the end we will be in the year of the PUMA.
Love you son -of course and don’t talk about it with him anymore. That will give you the upper hand and just say that’s right dear because pretending goes a long way, if you have to. If you’ll recall a lot of people promised and said they were voting for McGovern - he lost in a landslide. Always whisper - I’m not supporting that O guy.
Obama didn’t divide your family. You and your son disagree; don’t blame anyone else for that.
Are you kidding? Obama has divided the entire party with his smear tactics and tacit approval of strong-arm strategies and Hillary hate. He can’t even be diplomatic with HRC donors when she creates an opportunity for him, because he is too arrogant. He’ll be a swell diplomat…
Obama’s plan is working perfectly, divide the country. Now it is starting to divide family’s.
I know how you feel. My own Father yelled at me and told me I had been brain-washed last weekend. We were home for a visit and left early because of it.
We came home and I had an email waiting from a friend who told me she had a new listing to sell the home of mutual friends of ours. Why? The husband retired. He had gov’t insurance, but has a few weeks of COBRA left. His wife is only covered under COBRA. It’s a small town, she works part-time at a job with no insurance. She is diabetic and had a mild stroke several years ago. The cheapest coverage in their State is $3,200./mo.. They are moving to another State so her coverage will cost $935./mo.. So now, that’s a dilemma. John McCain’s insurance plan offers only a $5,000./year tax exemption…where O’s and Hillary’s are almost identical. This is important to people. What are we to do?
I have not seen that Obama’s and Hillary’s health plans are nearly identical. Also, McCain’s plan will lift the state barriers so that we can buy health insurance over state lines, which will force insurers to be competitive with each other on rates, and that will reduce premiums… in addition to the 5K tax credit.
Obama’s plan is not identical to HRC; the only thing he says is that “he will convince insurances to lower the costs” but how and why they would do so is a mystery. And given there will be no mandate (i.e “not more customers”) there is no reason for insurances to lower anything. I have no idea what McCain’s plan is but I do know that Obama is STATUS QUO.
I understood that Obama’s Insurance plan only covers the children NOT the ADULTS. Maybe you can try to find a job with the State or maybe the government or even an INSURANCE COMPANY. HILLARY,S PLAN WAS THE ONE THAT WOULD COVER EVERYONE. I am glad I have an INS. thru my ex-work. I feel for you. Obama is not clear on his plan, so he will not have to do anything. I remember what Hillary said. It also depends how old you are or that person is. If that person can applied for Medicare. If you shop around there is an INS. that you pay zero per month only the co-pay. I know my hubby has that one. Good Luck.
Didn’t you hear what BO’s mentor, John Kerry, said about Universal Health Care? “It’s a non-starter in the Senate.” And Obama’s plan leaves out 15 million people for starters. He does not have the knowledge or passion to fight for it, like Hillary does.
Actually, he said that Hillary’s plan was that:
That was from a post in April from No Quarter. I’m a Hillary Supporter. I voted for her. I hope and pray that she is somehow the nominee in August, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. So what are we to do? Obama wants Universal Health Care by 2012. Would he offer the VP slot to Hillary and allow her to work on Health Care, again? She is surely an expert on it and would be the person to handle it. Could you accept an Obama Presidency if Hillary was VP?
I liked the George Stephanopoulas article in Parade today. He suggested using the Godfather test in determining your vote…what is more important to you regarding the issues. I would say that Health Care and the economy are of utmost important to my family.
As far as emotion is concerned…it broke my heart to hear to the unity speech on Friday. Hillary was absolutely magnificent! She is full of grace and so very eloquent.
I wouldn’t let BHO watch my pets for the weekend.
The beer or Godfather test? Please. At least Mac has a sense of humor and I trust him.
I think with BHO that you pretty much have to figure that his original plans are what he would really do and all that he has said since is for political expediency.
My understanding with BHO is that he originally wanted single payer health care system but would make sure all children had to be covered, no matter what. I expect he’ll revert to that if elected.
As someone stated above, McCain will give the $5,000 tax credit (any of which is left over can be put into a Healthcare savings account) plus allow insurance companies to compete nationally which will drive down premiums due.
As for your friends, they must have taken very early retirement to not be eligible for Medicare. Medicare pays 80% of just about everything except prescription drugs (and pays 100% on a lot of things). (And I’m flabbergasted that insurance could cost $3,200/mo. My husband is self-employed and we pay $1,500/mo. for 100% coverage with $15 prescriptions.)
As far as your other concern, the economy, we are moving close to a bear stock market.
Obama’s policies on taxing capital gains at higher rates and taxing dividends at approx. 2X the income tax rate will almost assuredly lead to a market crash like we haven’t seen since 1929.
The capital gains tax raise by itself would only slow down the market; however, if dividends are taxed at double the rate of earned income, people will have very little incentive to invest and lots of incentive to get out and put their money in their mattresses.
IMO, Obama doesn’t have any business/investing acumen (his tax returns didn’t show any listing of stocks owned, I believe). His advisors admit that they haven’t even run models to see how his tax schemes would affect the economy.
I can’t trust him to take care of health or economic woes.
I forgot that O recently said that he will tax dividends. I have never even logged on to one of his sites, because I don’t want to be on the email lists..so I do my research through other sites.
The man I spoke of is retirement age and is eligible for Medicare…but his wife is younger. They live in NC and will be moving to WV. My husband and I will be in the same situation when he retires, because there is an 8 year age difference. I not only feel badly for our friends…but am worried sick about our situation, as well.
I believe that Hillary is the only one who could have gotten us out of the mess our country is in right now. I don’t think we have much of a choice for POTUS.
Shainzona–I feel your pain! I just got into a fight with my brother at dinner in a restaurant tonight. He dismissed “these people who are not going to vote for Obama because Hillary lost.” [This was after ridiculing Nader for "causing Bush to win in 2000."] He kept repeating: “McCain/Obama–that’s the choice…you can’t use emotion. You have to use reason.”
I talked about principle, and other choices, and he tried to bully me into agreeing. I also said our Founding Fathers fought with passion, not ‘reason.’ They could’ve been killed and stood up to an Empire for the sake of principle and representation. “If you vote for anyone but Obama, you will be responsible when we go to war with Iran.”
Of course, like most others, he knows nothing about Obama’s hypocrisy, lies, and questionable character. “Well, he’s a politician.” What happened to ‘new politics?’ Now it’s ok to triangulate? Didn’t they all bash Hillary for that for months?
“Well, Hillary voted for the war, so we have her to thank for that.” I pointed out that she didn’t vote for the war, and asked if he read her speech on the Senate floor. Of course not. Then, the kicker: when I stated that Obama didn’t vote against the war, he insisted that he did. My brother is a very intelligent student of history, but gets his news from the NY Times & TV. Can you BELIEVE people are still repeating that Obama “voted against the war?!” Talk about successful propaganda! He got really aggressive, and I lost it, threw my card and keys on the table, and walked home in the rain. I will NOT be bullied into supporting someone I do not trust or respect.
Walking home, I thought of Hillary’s suspension speech and laughed: “I want to thank those of you who argued with your friends and family…” I’m still fighting for you Hillary! But it’s also more than that: when did voting on principle become a bad thing? We’re supposed to just ignore fraud and coercion for the sake of a party platform? I will not and cannot.
fif:
I was recently with very knowledgeable people about Iran and the Middle East (liberals!) and their take is that Obama will probably screw up BIG TIME with Iran b/c he is inexperience and has “something to prove”. They believe
he is more dangerous (than McCain) and will make a stupid play with Iran.
These people understand Amadinajab is provoking the west to attack
(it’s complicated). So tell your brother not to chill out b/c he himself has no idea what BHO would do: not even (liberal) people that actually understand and know the situation much more are sure…
I meant tell your brother “to chill out”
My biggest fear with Obama is the major league catastrophic war he will get us into, either due to his stupidity or his cronies making some money plays against other nations and pissing off the wrong leader! I will never vote Obama. 4 years of McCain beats walking the charred remains of America if any of us survive an Obama oops!
I try to avoid that argument with people, but that is exactly the crux of the situation. Russia and China have supported us in applying economic pressure. The whole international community is in an uproar over Iran’s enrichment plans. They are, yes, trying to draw us into conflict. Israel has said if Obama is elected, they will launch strikes on Iran’s reactors, because they can’t trust the safety of their nation to Obama. He is too weak, and he flip flops too much.
fif - did you notice that Shainzona and the others who posted about the arguments with their loved ones were all women? And those trying to bully them a little were all male? It all sounds rather paternalistic to me, as though the menfolk all knew better. I don’t believe in anyone having to conceal their choice in order to keep the peace. They should just keep repeating ‘I own my vote’ and mean it.
My husband and I agree on this, but one of his friends is totally in the tank for BO and to our utter amazement sent an email declaring “I love Barack Hussein Obama’. He kept deluging us with all the Chosen One articles, so occasionally my old man would send him a YouTube video or a debunking article just to get his knickers in a twist. Finally he sent a huffy email (he did apologize in another email) saying he did not want to receive any more political matter, as he was irrevocably bound to BO. We laughed so much, since he was the one sending at least 90% of the propaganda!
It’s ok just do your own thing. I have always been a democrat and my son started out a democrat and after Bill Clinton he started voting Republican I had many heated arguments with him but thats politics and now I will be voting with him this year.
Obama because he is the lesser of two evils
It’s interesting that your son is even aware that BOBO is evil.
They’re catching on. Someone earlier said young new voters can’t handle disappointment. In Obama’s mad dash for “the center” (who knows who he is trying to appeal to - capital punishment and wire taps?) he is proving to his idealistic supporters that his word is meaningless.
A friend of mine said he didn’t trust McCain’s shaky old fingers around the red button. I said Obama had pressed the wrong button six times in the Illinois senate. He said, “like what?” So, I googled the LA Times article.
* when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago’s West Side.
* he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6.
* to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails.
* Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning.
* he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside… twice.
My friend said, “I’m in a don’t bother me with the facts state of mind. I just hate the Republicans, you know what I mean?” I consoled him and said he could always sit this one out. I’d even buy him a beer. He said he’s already got his Dick Gregory button, but if he lived in Ohio, he’d vote for Obama. I’ll work him over or just leave him alone. The seed of doubt has been planted. MUHAHAHAHA.
Ask Your husband if he’d rather have a Farrakhan, Ayers, or Wright, Jesse Jackson etc. making laws from the bench or a Repub who only interprets law from the bench. At least the Repubs care enough to save the constitution with exception to Bush’s gang.
This is not out of the question and could happen
You been busy down in Orlando, Larry? This looks like it’s about on your level of criticism. Or maybe it’s one of your PUMA buddies…
http://www.wftv.com/news/16738560/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. — Racial slurs targeting Barack Obama were discovered spray painted tonight on dozens of city vehicles in Orlando.
The vandalism happened in a City of Orlando parking lot on the corner of South and Orange.
Phrases including “Obmama smokes crack” and others phrases with racial slurs were written in blue spray paint on the white city cars and trucks.
Other vehicles appeared to have had their gas tanks tampered with.
Along with the paint, hundreds of business cards were left on windshields.
The cards contain criticism of Obama on one side, and support for Hillary Clinton and her family on the other side.
The same cards were left on channel nine vehicles in Daytona Beach several weeks ago.
The vandalism happened the same night the Obama campaign kicked off its Florida organization with parties across the state.
Local representatives with the Obama campaign told channel nine they weren’t aware of any similar incidents.
Orlando police are investigating the incident.
Yawn….
It be the South. What do you expect? And no Larry wasn’t down there….
Butthead.
More B.O. dirty trix.
HRC’s demographic isn’t exactly into graffiti.
LOL, BHO punks are really idiotic and so lame….
Crystalnacht… BOBOstyle
BHO probably shorted some of his little old paid bloggers some of their paychecks and it didn’t sit well. He probably wanted to get back his $4600 he and Michelle had to pay Hillary!
Indeed, literacy isn’t exactly a common trait amongst her redneck “hard working, white American” followers.
MOAR DIRTY TRIX!!
Better? What the hell does education have to do with vandalism?
Hey, ACitizen. I’m a southerner. I don’t vandalize others’ property, nor is that sort of behaviour a commonplace here. You sound like Howie and his confederate flag-gun-truck meme. Stick to talking about that which you know. Obviously, the South isn’t part of it.
Nobody here believes Clinton supporters did this either: we’ve had far too many KKK hoaxes and the like through the years to buy into this crap. Everyone recognizes it’s an Obama set up.
Why don’t you visit here, instead of talk crap.
Since Hillary supporters are old and female, I hardly think we are out vandalizing cars. This is the Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers and they intend to blame the Clintons. Obama blamed Hillary for everything during the primary so I am sure that will be the next press release from MSNBC that all the little old ladies are out in Orlando spray painting cars.
I don’t think this country can get any nuttier than it is. I am so glad the Supreme Court approves of me packing heat now. That gives me a lot to look forward to in my old age.
Well, being Florida, what about emigres from Cuba led by Elian Gonzales?
Or Nader.
Couldn’t be HIllary people. We’re all little old doddering white women. We wouldn’t use spray paint, we’d crochet a shawl or something.
You are an idiot –
This is obviously the work of Obamabots — could be your friends.
This is a typical mis-direct.
Black flag.
What you have described here actually fits in with the tactics that the Obama campaign has employed over the course of the last 8 months or so.
This activity sounds like one of those operations in which the party being smeared is the one doing the smearing (I’m sure the intelligence people have a term for it). It makes the other guys look bad.
Obama’s campaign has reportedly bussed unregistered, out-of-state voters to various caucuses; tampered with voting in places like Texas, North Carolina, and Indiana; used race-baiting at different times; used juvenile gestures when faced with challenging circumstances; lied on numerous occasions; has used intimidation and other disruptive tactics on the internet; etc., etc
I wouldn’t put it past the Obama troopers to pull a stunt like that described in the newspaper.
I think they are doing this in the wrong state though. I have a feeling that there are many people in Florida who are familiar with thid kind of tactic. It is liable to backfire big time.
I think the term is “false flag operation”.
I agree. These incidents have Obama written all over them. FUD tactics.
That sounds like Obabots in action. They ENJOY being VICTIMS.
YOU HAVE TO GET THE VICTIM SYMPATHY VOTES!
HA - But really smart people will never fall for the old tricks like spray painting cars and stuffing ballot boxes of your opponent to look like a victim.
apikores, What a joke. Those are Obamatroll tactics.
Hillary supports, PUMA members have way to much class to do a thing like that. And we would be a lot smarter. If it was one of us, we would of trashed Hillary as to divert the blame. Maybe you should lay of the kool-aid for awhile, let your brain get some oxygen.
Have you ever heard the phrase ” you can fool some of the people, some of the time. But you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.”
I thought it was strange that business cards were left at the site of a vandalism. Graffiti = youth activism
Business cards = organization Together = Obama campaign
The reason the vandalism occurred on the same night that the Obama campaign kicked off its Florida organization is because it was the newly organized who did the vandalizing. So, they couldn’t have done so before.
They’re following the leader:
BaJoke mentions that the GOP will be playing the race card because he has no momentum and is trying to create some and then his cultists follow that up with AGAIN playing the race card via spray-painted graffiti and go for the double whammy by trying to blame Clinton supporters.
Very basic, very weak.
Extremely transparent.
No wonder dude’s fundraising is down the toilet. It’s over. You can only get so much mileage out of the one-trick pony, and the race card pony’s back is broke.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
Adela posted this at clintondems.com.
Adela from Orlando, on June 29th, 2008 at 4:22 pm Said:
This happened right here where I live. What one of the cards said:
McCain
Old/Needs New Thinking
Obama
Not Ready
I Bet You’ve Gotten High
At Least “30″ Times. How
Many Times Have You Snorted
Cocaine or Smoked it? Not Good
Why Haven’t You Been Given a Lie Detector Test?
American Wants to Know!!
Obama Should You be The President? I Don’t Think So
Hows About a 40 See Ya in The Hood
Legalize Marijuana/Stop Building Prisons
Don’t Thank Me Now Thank Me Later ……….CR
Ps. This Should Be At Least a Free Ride Deal!!!
Or Maybe Someone Could Buy Me Some Gas
The legalize mairjuana is the dead give-away. OBots are for Obama because he is for legalizing marijuana..
Obots are the guilty ones..
That’s just retarded. What 50 YO woman would leave that on somebody’s car after trashing it?
Obamabots are at it again. They’ll vandalize anything, election or no election..in this case they get their jollies and can ALSO blame Hillary supporters.
NICE.
As a long time active Republican, I find myself drawn to this blog several times a day… Just so I wont lose hope in a McCain victory this fall. I was worried about trying to beat Hillary, if I believed the press I should be worried about beating Obama, but there is so much doubt lingering just below the surface on forums like this one… I just know it is going to pop soon enough and Obama is doomed.
The news doesn’t look that bad for John McCain, and he has a few blogs, too.
If you fellas over in the republican party could give up the whole greed before country and faith before country thing, this Nov could turn into a beautiful friendship.
cingnut,
Hang in there! McCain will be sworn in in January. I know very few people willing to vote Obama and they are almost all dems! The numbers are like 3 or 4 to one McCain votes to Obama votes from dems I know! Not even all were Clinton supporters either! They are just that much against Obama. No one thinks he is who he claims to be or can be trusted.
I am very very disappointed with General Wesley Clark.
He hopped right on that donkey and rode it to barry’s ass so he could kiss it. Guess he didn’t get the Memo from Hillary and Bill .
He turned out to be a major disappointment to me with his snarky remarks about McCain..
I guess he is drinking VP koolaid and started being the attack Dick (Cheney) very early.
LOL… I agree..just like Rendell
They have all, except one, gone over completely to Obama. Lanny Davis says the minimal amount in favor of Obama, for Hillary’s sake, but still supports and defends her Hillary 100%. He has more strength of character than all those other clowns put together.
I know, that bummed me out too. NONE of them followd Ickes’ RBC battle cry with an actual demand for justice. A travesty that we are all just supposed to forget and “get over it.”
NO DEAL!
I look forward to the debates.
Gonna need a lotta popcorn fer that.
Fox News is being real nice to B.O.
For now.
Until August 30.
I noticed that. I think they pulled back because they don’t want Hillary to end up running against McCain. At least they are still telling both sides. The other networks won’t even mention anything negative.