Red Dirt Talk - Part 1, the Setup
By CRAIG DELLA PENNA on June 29, 2008 at 6:30 PM in Barack Obama, Bolshevikization, Bush/Cheney, David Axelrod, Democratic Party, Electability, Hillary Clinton, Iraq, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Obama's Thugs
So it looks like Hillary and Bill, kinda, are going to be good Democrats and try to lead the Unity Donkey down the garden path. A lot of folks will sigh “Oh well, we tried.” and trudge back into line because they been told (and so they believe) that Obama is the lesser of two evils, that a McCain presidency would be such a catastrophic event that it is simply unthinkable… some of us won’t buy that for any price. We’re hearing hysterical wailings about the dreadfulness of McCain and blue sky predictions about the coming Obamatopia. Not so fast…
Most of the time, in business, in life and in politics, people throw around “blue sky” predictions. A lot of us do it for the sake of optimism, salesmen and politicians do it for a living. This is not a bad thing, per se, and we learn to counter the ‘blue sky’ talk with a healthy dose of skepticism: “Oh, come on,” we’ll say, “don’t tell me that Mustang GT was only driven on Sundays by a little old lady who never went over twenty miles per hour – I just don’t believe you.” It tends to work out and if it doesn’t, well, experience is a very fine teacher.
Sometimes, however, in life and business… and in politics, we need to get down from the blue sky to what I call the “Red Dirt Talk”. What are the numbers? Who’s on the hook? Who gets what and when do they get it? And the bedrock question: What’s it going to cost me?
I think we’ve reached a Red Dirt Talk point now – there can be as many Red Dirt Talk points as needed –we need to sit down, stare at the wall and really think about where we are, how we got here and what we really want to do next. It’s important, critical in fact, because history will be changed by what we do in the next several months – even if we do nothing at all, the world will change, just a bit, go there when it might have gone here… and a different future unfolds.
Let’s review the facts, then look at the options and see if we can form a plan.
Fact: Hillary blew the campaign - why? I don’t know, maybe Patti Solis Doyle was a fifth columnist but they should not have lost all those caucuses, especially after they did it right in Nevada. I don’t like it but it’s true.
Fact: the Democratic Party nomination has been taken from the obviously stronger, better qualified candidate and bestowed upon the weaker and less qualified candidate.
There are numerous theories about who did what to whom, all the way from the massive collusion plot in which the Bushies have manipulated this in order to stage a coup before the election to the David Axelrod channeling Karl Rove with the complicity of the radical leftie-Bolsheviks to take over the Democratic Party for nefarious purposes (I actually kinda like that one myself). For the purposes of the Red Dirt Talk, it doesn’t really matter. It has happened, barring a major reversal of fortune, BHO will be the Democratic Party candidate this fall.
“A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall (almost 4 million voters) — and another 17 percent (a little over 3 million) would vote for McCain.” –CNN (parentheses are mine). So, if we use 2004 as the baseline - GWB won with 62 million voters vs Kerry’s 59 million. then take away 4 million Democratic votes, that leaves BHO with 55 million.
Now take away another 3 million from that (Clinton supporters who will not stay home but will vote for McCain) and add 3 million to the Republican side. You end up with 65 million for McCain to 52 million for BHO. There is a word for this: landslide.
Fact: the Democratic Party won the 2006 congressional elections and now has a majority in both houses (233 v 202 in the House and 51 v 49 in the Senate) - granted the Senate majority rests on two independents and Lieberman is a Republican in all but name. This is certainly not veto-proof territory but it is also certainly enough to stop inimical legislation and prevent more damage by the GWB crowd… you would think.
Curiously enough, there has been no action to counter GWBs excesses and people in leadership roles have averred that any health care reform is DOA. Impeachment is, famously, off the table sez Ms Pelosi (in one of the greatest acts of political stupidity in the history of American politics). Our several wars go merrily on their way, dispensing billions in government contracts (the cost of the Iraq war is now $5,000 per second) to titular American companies who have shifted their HQs to Dubai to avoid paying American taxes. GWBs tax cuts for the rich go on and on with no end in sight.
Remind me: what is it that makes Democrats so different from Republicans?
Estimates are that Democrats will pick up 15 more House seats in the Fall and as many as 6 more Senate seats. That would give an incoming Democratic president a 248 to 187 advantage in the house an 57 to 43 in the Senate well within arm-twisting range of a filibuster-proof majority (AKA rubber stamp Congress).
In the technology world there’s a thing called “FUD”, it stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Dismay. It’s a propaganda strategy that Microsoft used effectively for years to destroy its rivals. Keep overhyping your (usually mediocre) accomplishments, trumpeting the crushing inevitability of your overwhelming (potential) victory, demeaning the quality and value of your competition with innuendo and implications of questionable moral lapses. Your target audience may not like you very much but they become afraid to stand against you… and your success is assured.
If this feels familiar it is because the Obamabot/bolsheviks are waging a FUD campaign against you right now. To recognize this is to resist it, be aware.
I cite specifics of BHO’s programs from his website but they seem to change depending on the audience he’s speaking to at the moment. I’ve also included John McCain’s positions on the same subjects. We can all run around with our hair on fire screaming and yelling about our issues and concerns but, at some point, we need to put on our critical thinking caps and look at the choices we have to make.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
Your pronouncement of landslide is based on flawed calculations I think. You are presuming that the total number of votes in Nov 2008 will be close to the total number of votes in Nov 2004. Don’t you need to figure in the added number of registered Democratic voters this year before you subtract the Hillary voters not supporting Obama?
You may be right, trouble is - no one really knows who will actually vote this year: will the young people actually vote? Will those increased voter registrations actually result in more Democratic votes? Will the PUMA people stand firm? How many are there, really?
At the very least it will be interesting…
Those college students will be nowhere in sight come November once their messiah gets beat up in a real campaign fight. Young people cannot handle any kind of adversity — they slink away, unable to face a fight or accept defeat.
As a former employer of high school and college students, I dealt with this for many years — these kids grew up with no one ever saying “no” to them. That’s why we see all the temper tantrums when Obama is challenged!
They will be psychologically unable to accept that they voted for a failure, so they will not vote at all — then they can say to themselves that they are not losers.
Besides that, the Obama people don’t appear able to count: even if all the blacks and all the college students in this country did vote for him, they are not enough to win Obama the White House.
How many new voters were actually for Clinton? I don’t think Obama had the corner on this market except that was his spin. Also the republican for a “day campaign” vote for Obama does not lend itself for Republican voting for Obama in Nov. especially with all of the trash about Rev Wright and Ayers. The biggest clue is Obama’s drop in fund raising as McCain’s is now going up. All of those republican for a day and republican donations for the day went back home to the RNC.
Clinton lost the caucuses not because her campaign was inept (although it was inept), but because Repubs in those red states were organized to crossover and vote against her. (Time magazine wrote a whole piece on this subject last November.) On top of that, Howard Dean spent huge sums of Dem. Party money in all those states to organize loyal activists to turn out the Dem. voters for Obama.
The blog writer makes light of it, but this was a long-running, well-orchestrated conspiracy to take out Clinton. Given the stakes involved here, I doubt we’ll be looking back on this chuckling a few years from now.
I was thinking the same thing. Additionally, Republicans may not vote in numbers that they previously voted because may are demoralized at this point in time. But, when you consider the number of Democrats who have indicated that they will not vote in the general election, or who will not vote for the presidential choice, this may cancel out the number of Republicans who may stay home in the general election.
Also, don’t assume that every new voter is a Democrat. Barack was not the only person who was able to draw people into politics. You also cannot assume that these new voters will even take the opportunity to vote come election day. They are “unproven” voters.
Finally, it is the electoral vote that matters. Even if the Democratic party has managed to register many new Democrats, the more important aspect of this is from which state these Democrats are registered. Gaining many new voters in states like California, New York, and Illinois will not help a win in the electoral college. All three of these states will probably voter Democrat in the upcoming general election. It’s the states like Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Missouri, and Nevada which have had close results in recent past general elections that could add electoral votes to the Democrat’s column if the party has managed to increase their party membership in these states. Without winning these five states in the general election, I think the Democrats will have a tough time obtaining the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Couple this with the swing states of Ohio, Florida, and West Virginia which are all hard sells for Obama, then McCain will win the presidency.
Regardless of how this all plays out, this Democrat wants a McCain victory.
I just cannot believe that any republican looking at Obama would sit at home! Hell, they ought to be running to the polls to vote McCain. With all of us dems (who know the real Obama) comparing the 2, we find McCain to be the more trustworthy and experienced. There is no way that any real conservative will risk an Obama candacy! I just can’t imagine they could sit and watch!
This is for the REPUBLICANS who will not vote and stay home because you are pissed up for whatever reason. I am a demo I will not stay home because I believe in my FREEDOM of SPEECH. If you think you have a problem now, just wait. I OWN MY VOTE, just like you all, if I cannot have HILLARY, I will not settle and in return lose my voice. After August I will be ready to vote, I will not play the DNC game.
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I am so upset. I just had my weekly phone call with our son who lives in London and (somehow) it got onto the subject of Obama and ended with my hanging up…on my baby!
He’s more liberal than I am and told me that we cannot support anyone but Obama because he is the lesser of two evils and that HRC is out of it…so I have to get over it.
I was spitting mad. I sat quietly while I listened to him. I told him I hope he feels better soon (he’s got the flu) and that I will speak with him in a couple of weeks.
We have always been on (nearly) the same page. I am so pissed that Obama has been allowed to do this horrible thing to this nation…and now my own family.
Fuck Obama. Royally!
*hugs* I know how hurtful it can be sometimes, but don’t worry… your son still loves you to bits! Maybe in time he’ll change his mind about his choice of candidate, maybe he won’t. But I’m sure that his choice won’t affect the two of you for long.
But I do agree with you - it’s horrible that all this has caused way more rifts than it should have. I’m actually from the UK (and 23 yrs old) but I’m watching the US with a constant shocked look on my face… every day I read more about Obama and think “Why are Americans falling for it??”. Obviously it’s not all of you, and I hope it’s not most! I just pray that in the end people WILL wake up.
Like I say, don’t worry about your son - things will work out in time.
*hugs* from me too!
I’m having the same argument with my dear husband. We are both very liberal and like most of us on NQ don’t fit into the MSM’s stereotype of the Hillary supporter.
My dear husband is very concerned about Roe v. Wade, as well as the future of the Supreme Court, and has decided that without a Democratic President we are doomed to lose our advantage. We’ve had some very heated exchanges and I’ve tried to tell him all the “red dirt” facts, but even though he’s very disappointed that Hillary will probably not be the nominee, he will vote for Borat. I am too concerned about the dangers of electing Borat, as well as angry at the DNC for shoving an “inadequate” candidate down my throat, and I will not be voting for him.
My solution? I now realize I am powerless to change my husband’s mind. Maybe a few years from now, if he sees that a McCain presidency hasn’t flushed our country down the toilet, and Hillary is elected in 2012, he’ll see that everything worked out. But for now, I am doing what Tina Fey is doing: telling him that I will vote for Borat in order to keep the peace. I have told him that I will not stop my pursuit of the truth about Borat, nor will it EVER make me approve of him as a candidate. Talk about holding my nose! But I will probably vote for McCain if writing Hillary in isn’t possible in California.
If my choice is keeping my vote a secret from him or continuing to argue, then so be it, I will have to lie to him. But that doesn’t stop me from doing everything else in my power to continue the fight for Hillary and the battle against everyone like Kerry, Pelosi and Dean.
There shouldn’t be anything to argue about. I’m assuming he wants you to respect his choice to vote for Obama-you deserve the same courtesy from him to not vote for him without lying about it. For me, there is no way I would do that. They could like it or lump it.
My husband loves Hillary, likes McCain and thinks Obama is “sleazy” and “fake.” Unfortunately, he is a Canadian and can’t vote. He loves Republicans, though. He says as soon as we move back to the States, we’re buying a handgun.
hillarysmygirl:
Well, my position about SCOTUS is that it is up to Congress (Senate) to confirm and from what I know about BHO if he comes with a horrible nominee the DEMS in the Senate will NOT be able to stop it. On the other hand if McCain comes with someone unacceptable the Senate can do what it did to Robert H. Bork. In other words; gievn I DO NOT TRUST BHO
AT ALL; it is worst for teh Senate to have him than McCain. The latter they can fight with. With BHO they’ll have to eat it up and then we wil be screwed.
The Senate should have enough majority to exercise its power. Better to have McCain to oppose than BHO to abide by. Congress is crazy if they think they’ll be able to manipulate BHO: do you know who is really behind him? I don’t.
I think the best Vote is McCain for experience, and character; and Democratic on the rest of the ticket. With the expected Democratic “Wave”, they will end up with a strong majority in both Houses. The majority of the “issues” are handled in the Congress. If the Dems really want to end the War in Iraq, they can stop the funding. Even though there are some McCain issues that I don’t agree with, I trust him more than Obama. I don’t think Obama really believes in anything except himself. I know politicians change positions when running for office, but Obama has absolutely NO track record to look at. All we have are his Words, and they keep changing. A strong Democratic Congress and McCain as President, would be the best government under these circumstances.
But I will probably vote for McCain if writing Hillary in isn’t possible in California.
A Hillary write in the State of Clasifornia is vote for BO, vote for McCain.
That is tough. I am lucky. My husband decides all the big important things like which car we will drive on vacation, what restaurant we go to, how we hang the TP, what laundry detergent we use and I decide the stuff like filling out our absentee ballots.
that’s too bad that your son used that tone w you-you have to get over it? He apparently is not looking at Obama’s total picture and has bought into much of what is being said and that we are all angry simply because Hillary had the nom stolen.
I learned the hard way not to talk politics w many people. My mother was so mad that I didn’t vote for George Bush that she called me some nasty names that I don’t care to repeat here-I went to work crying my eyes out and continued to cry for an hour. I couldn’t believe my own mother of all people would talk to me that way just because we disagreed on politics. I didn’t talk to her for a year after that. Stand firm w your son and the next time you speak w him stand your ground and tell him you simply can’t support Obama and you expect him to respect your decision just as he expects you to respect his. If he tries to argue w you about it just tell him you’re not going to discuss it. For the sake of your sanity and the relationship w your son.
I don’t have the pleasure of arguing with a son or daughter over who we should or should not support for President. What I do have are my convictions and the amount of time and energy I have put into knowing the candidates and following the blogs, and news. I can see and smell a DemocRAT and that is what O and his supporters are. this is the year of the Rat. But he won’t win because in the end we will be in the year of the PUMA.
Love you son -of course and don’t talk about it with him anymore. That will give you the upper hand and just say that’s right dear because pretending goes a long way, if you have to. If you’ll recall a lot of people promised and said they were voting for McGovern - he lost in a landslide. Always whisper - I’m not supporting that O guy.
Obama didn’t divide your family. You and your son disagree; don’t blame anyone else for that.
Are you kidding? Obama has divided the entire party with his smear tactics and tacit approval of strong-arm strategies and Hillary hate. He can’t even be diplomatic with HRC donors when she creates an opportunity for him, because he is too arrogant. He’ll be a swell diplomat…
Obama’s plan is working perfectly, divide the country. Now it is starting to divide family’s.
I know how you feel. My own Father yelled at me and told me I had been brain-washed last weekend. We were home for a visit and left early because of it.
We came home and I had an email waiting from a friend who told me she had a new listing to sell the home of mutual friends of ours. Why? The husband retired. He had gov’t insurance, but has a few weeks of COBRA left. His wife is only covered under COBRA. It’s a small town, she works part-time at a job with no insurance. She is diabetic and had a mild stroke several years ago. The cheapest coverage in their State is $3,200./mo.. They are moving to another State so her coverage will cost $935./mo.. So now, that’s a dilemma. John McCain’s insurance plan offers only a $5,000./year tax exemption…where O’s and Hillary’s are almost identical. This is important to people. What are we to do?
I have not seen that Obama’s and Hillary’s health plans are nearly identical. Also, McCain’s plan will lift the state barriers so that we can buy health insurance over state lines, which will force insurers to be competitive with each other on rates, and that will reduce premiums… in addition to the 5K tax credit.
Obama’s plan is not identical to HRC; the only thing he says is that “he will convince insurances to lower the costs” but how and why they would do so is a mystery. And given there will be no mandate (i.e “not more customers”) there is no reason for insurances to lower anything. I have no idea what McCain’s plan is but I do know that Obama is STATUS QUO.
I understood that Obama’s Insurance plan only covers the children NOT the ADULTS. Maybe you can try to find a job with the State or maybe the government or even an INSURANCE COMPANY. HILLARY,S PLAN WAS THE ONE THAT WOULD COVER EVERYONE. I am glad I have an INS. thru my ex-work. I feel for you. Obama is not clear on his plan, so he will not have to do anything. I remember what Hillary said. It also depends how old you are or that person is. If that person can applied for Medicare. If you shop around there is an INS. that you pay zero per month only the co-pay. I know my hubby has that one. Good Luck.
Didn’t you hear what BO’s mentor, John Kerry, said about Universal Health Care? “It’s a non-starter in the Senate.” And Obama’s plan leaves out 15 million people for starters. He does not have the knowledge or passion to fight for it, like Hillary does.
Actually, he said that Hillary’s plan was that:
That was from a post in April from No Quarter. I’m a Hillary Supporter. I voted for her. I hope and pray that she is somehow the nominee in August, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. So what are we to do? Obama wants Universal Health Care by 2012. Would he offer the VP slot to Hillary and allow her to work on Health Care, again? She is surely an expert on it and would be the person to handle it. Could you accept an Obama Presidency if Hillary was VP?
I liked the George Stephanopoulas article in Parade today. He suggested using the Godfather test in determining your vote…what is more important to you regarding the issues. I would say that Health Care and the economy are of utmost important to my family.
As far as emotion is concerned…it broke my heart to hear to the unity speech on Friday. Hillary was absolutely magnificent! She is full of grace and so very eloquent.
I wouldn’t let BHO watch my pets for the weekend.
The beer or Godfather test? Please. At least Mac has a sense of humor and I trust him.
I think with BHO that you pretty much have to figure that his original plans are what he would really do and all that he has said since is for political expediency.
My understanding with BHO is that he originally wanted single payer health care system but would make sure all children had to be covered, no matter what. I expect he’ll revert to that if elected.
As someone stated above, McCain will give the $5,000 tax credit (any of which is left over can be put into a Healthcare savings account) plus allow insurance companies to compete nationally which will drive down premiums due.
As for your friends, they must have taken very early retirement to not be eligible for Medicare. Medicare pays 80% of just about everything except prescription drugs (and pays 100% on a lot of things). (And I’m flabbergasted that insurance could cost $3,200/mo. My husband is self-employed and we pay $1,500/mo. for 100% coverage with $15 prescriptions.)
As far as your other concern, the economy, we are moving close to a bear stock market.
Obama’s policies on taxing capital gains at higher rates and taxing dividends at approx. 2X the income tax rate will almost assuredly lead to a market crash like we haven’t seen since 1929.
The capital gains tax raise by itself would only slow down the market; however, if dividends are taxed at double the rate of earned income, people will have very little incentive to invest and lots of incentive to get out and put their money in their mattresses.
IMO, Obama doesn’t have any business/investing acumen (his tax returns didn’t show any listing of stocks owned, I believe). His advisors admit that they haven’t even run models to see how his tax schemes would affect the economy.
I can’t trust him to take care of health or economic woes.
I forgot that O recently said that he will tax dividends. I have never even logged on to one of his sites, because I don’t want to be on the email lists..so I do my research through other sites.
The man I spoke of is retirement age and is eligible for Medicare…but his wife is younger. They live in NC and will be moving to WV. My husband and I will be in the same situation when he retires, because there is an 8 year age difference. I not only feel badly for our friends…but am worried sick about our situation, as well.
I believe that Hillary is the only one who could have gotten us out of the mess our country is in right now. I don’t think we have much of a choice for POTUS.
Shainzona–I feel your pain! I just got into a fight with my brother at dinner in a restaurant tonight. He dismissed “these people who are not going to vote for Obama because Hillary lost.” [This was after ridiculing Nader for "causing Bush to win in 2000."] He kept repeating: “McCain/Obama–that’s the choice…you can’t use emotion. You have to use reason.”
I talked about principle, and other choices, and he tried to bully me into agreeing. I also said our Founding Fathers fought with passion, not ‘reason.’ They could’ve been killed and stood up to an Empire for the sake of principle and representation. “If you vote for anyone but Obama, you will be responsible when we go to war with Iran.”
Of course, like most others, he knows nothing about Obama’s hypocrisy, lies, and questionable character. “Well, he’s a politician.” What happened to ‘new politics?’ Now it’s ok to triangulate? Didn’t they all bash Hillary for that for months?
“Well, Hillary voted for the war, so we have her to thank for that.” I pointed out that she didn’t vote for the war, and asked if he read her speech on the Senate floor. Of course not. Then, the kicker: when I stated that Obama didn’t vote against the war, he insisted that he did. My brother is a very intelligent student of history, but gets his news from the NY Times & TV. Can you BELIEVE people are still repeating that Obama “voted against the war?!” Talk about successful propaganda! He got really aggressive, and I lost it, threw my card and keys on the table, and walked home in the rain. I will NOT be bullied into supporting someone I do not trust or respect.
Walking home, I thought of Hillary’s suspension speech and laughed: “I want to thank those of you who argued with your friends and family…” I’m still fighting for you Hillary! But it’s also more than that: when did voting on principle become a bad thing? We’re supposed to just ignore fraud and coercion for the sake of a party platform? I will not and cannot.
fif:
I was recently with very knowledgeable people about Iran and the Middle East (liberals!) and their take is that Obama will probably screw up BIG TIME with Iran b/c he is inexperience and has “something to prove”. They believe
he is more dangerous (than McCain) and will make a stupid play with Iran.
These people understand Amadinajab is provoking the west to attack
(it’s complicated). So tell your brother not to chill out b/c he himself has no idea what BHO would do: not even (liberal) people that actually understand and know the situation much more are sure…
I meant tell your brother “to chill out”
My biggest fear with Obama is the major league catastrophic war he will get us into, either due to his stupidity or his cronies making some money plays against other nations and pissing off the wrong leader! I will never vote Obama. 4 years of McCain beats walking the charred remains of America if any of us survive an Obama oops!
I try to avoid that argument with people, but that is exactly the crux of the situation. Russia and China have supported us in applying economic pressure. The whole international community is in an uproar over Iran’s enrichment plans. They are, yes, trying to draw us into conflict. Israel has said if Obama is elected, they will launch strikes on Iran’s reactors, because they can’t trust the safety of their nation to Obama. He is too weak, and he flip flops too much.
fif - did you notice that Shainzona and the others who posted about the arguments with their loved ones were all women? And those trying to bully them a little were all male? It all sounds rather paternalistic to me, as though the menfolk all knew better. I don’t believe in anyone having to conceal their choice in order to keep the peace. They should just keep repeating ‘I own my vote’ and mean it.
My husband and I agree on this, but one of his friends is totally in the tank for BO and to our utter amazement sent an email declaring “I love Barack Hussein Obama’. He kept deluging us with all the Chosen One articles, so occasionally my old man would send him a YouTube video or a debunking article just to get his knickers in a twist. Finally he sent a huffy email (he did apologize in another email) saying he did not want to receive any more political matter, as he was irrevocably bound to BO. We laughed so much, since he was the one sending at least 90% of the propaganda!
It’s ok just do your own thing. I have always been a democrat and my son started out a democrat and after Bill Clinton he started voting Republican I had many heated arguments with him but thats politics and now I will be voting with him this year.
Obama because he is the lesser of two evils
It’s interesting that your son is even aware that BOBO is evil.
They’re catching on. Someone earlier said young new voters can’t handle disappointment. In Obama’s mad dash for “the center” (who knows who he is trying to appeal to - capital punishment and wire taps?) he is proving to his idealistic supporters that his word is meaningless.
A friend of mine said he didn’t trust McCain’s shaky old fingers around the red button. I said Obama had pressed the wrong button six times in the Illinois senate. He said, “like what?” So, I googled the LA Times article.
* when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago’s West Side.
* he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6.
* to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails.
* Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning.
* he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside… twice.
My friend said, “I’m in a don’t bother me with the facts state of mind. I just hate the Republicans, you know what I mean?” I consoled him and said he could always sit this one out. I’d even buy him a beer. He said he’s already got his Dick Gregory button, but if he lived in Ohio, he’d vote for Obama. I’ll work him over or just leave him alone. The seed of doubt has been planted. MUHAHAHAHA.
Ask Your husband if he’d rather have a Farrakhan, Ayers, or Wright, Jesse Jackson etc. making laws from the bench or a Repub who only interprets law from the bench. At least the Repubs care enough to save the constitution with exception to Bush’s gang.
This is not out of the question and could happen
You been busy down in Orlando, Larry? This looks like it’s about on your level of criticism. Or maybe it’s one of your PUMA buddies…
http://www.wftv.com/news/16738560/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. — Racial slurs targeting Barack Obama were discovered spray painted tonight on dozens of city vehicles in Orlando.
The vandalism happened in a City of Orlando parking lot on the corner of South and Orange.
Phrases including “Obmama smokes crack” and others phrases with racial slurs were written in blue spray paint on the white city cars and trucks.
Other vehicles appeared to have had their gas tanks tampered with.
Along with the paint, hundreds of business cards were left on windshields.
The cards contain criticism of Obama on one side, and support for Hillary Clinton and her family on the other side.
The same cards were left on channel nine vehicles in Daytona Beach several weeks ago.
The vandalism happened the same night the Obama campaign kicked off its Florida organization with parties across the state.
Local representatives with the Obama campaign told channel nine they weren’t aware of any similar incidents.
Orlando police are investigating the incident.
Yawn….
It be the South. What do you expect? And no Larry wasn’t down there….
Butthead.
More B.O. dirty trix.
HRC’s demographic isn’t exactly into graffiti.
LOL, BHO punks are really idiotic and so lame….
Crystalnacht… BOBOstyle
BHO probably shorted some of his little old paid bloggers some of their paychecks and it didn’t sit well. He probably wanted to get back his $4600 he and Michelle had to pay Hillary!
Indeed, literacy isn’t exactly a common trait amongst her redneck “hard working, white American” followers.
MOAR DIRTY TRIX!!
Better? What the hell does education have to do with vandalism?
Hey, ACitizen. I’m a southerner. I don’t vandalize others’ property, nor is that sort of behaviour a commonplace here. You sound like Howie and his confederate flag-gun-truck meme. Stick to talking about that which you know. Obviously, the South isn’t part of it.
Nobody here believes Clinton supporters did this either: we’ve had far too many KKK hoaxes and the like through the years to buy into this crap. Everyone recognizes it’s an Obama set up.
Why don’t you visit here, instead of talk crap.
Since Hillary supporters are old and female, I hardly think we are out vandalizing cars. This is the Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers and they intend to blame the Clintons. Obama blamed Hillary for everything during the primary so I am sure that will be the next press release from MSNBC that all the little old ladies are out in Orlando spray painting cars.
I don’t think this country can get any nuttier than it is. I am so glad the Supreme Court approves of me packing heat now. That gives me a lot to look forward to in my old age.
Well, being Florida, what about emigres from Cuba led by Elian Gonzales?
Or Nader.
Couldn’t be HIllary people. We’re all little old doddering white women. We wouldn’t use spray paint, we’d crochet a shawl or something.
You are an idiot –
This is obviously the work of Obamabots — could be your friends.
This is a typical mis-direct.
Black flag.
What you have described here actually fits in with the tactics that the Obama campaign has employed over the course of the last 8 months or so.
This activity sounds like one of those operations in which the party being smeared is the one doing the smearing (I’m sure the intelligence people have a term for it). It makes the other guys look bad.
Obama’s campaign has reportedly bussed unregistered, out-of-state voters to various caucuses; tampered with voting in places like Texas, North Carolina, and Indiana; used race-baiting at different times; used juvenile gestures when faced with challenging circumstances; lied on numerous occasions; has used intimidation and other disruptive tactics on the internet; etc., etc
I wouldn’t put it past the Obama troopers to pull a stunt like that described in the newspaper.
I think they are doing this in the wrong state though. I have a feeling that there are many people in Florida who are familiar with thid kind of tactic. It is liable to backfire big time.
I think the term is “false flag operation”.
I agree. These incidents have Obama written all over them. FUD tactics.
That sounds like Obabots in action. They ENJOY being VICTIMS.
YOU HAVE TO GET THE VICTIM SYMPATHY VOTES!
HA - But really smart people will never fall for the old tricks like spray painting cars and stuffing ballot boxes of your opponent to look like a victim.
apikores, What a joke. Those are Obamatroll tactics.
Hillary supports, PUMA members have way to much class to do a thing like that. And we would be a lot smarter. If it was one of us, we would of trashed Hillary as to divert the blame. Maybe you should lay of the kool-aid for awhile, let your brain get some oxygen.
Have you ever heard the phrase ” you can fool some of the people, some of the time. But you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.”
I thought it was strange that business cards were left at the site of a vandalism. Graffiti = youth activism
Business cards = organization Together = Obama campaign
The reason the vandalism occurred on the same night that the Obama campaign kicked off its Florida organization is because it was the newly organized who did the vandalizing. So, they couldn’t have done so before.
They’re following the leader:
BaJoke mentions that the GOP will be playing the race card because he has no momentum and is trying to create some and then his cultists follow that up with AGAIN playing the race card via spray-painted graffiti and go for the double whammy by trying to blame Clinton supporters.
Very basic, very weak.
Extremely transparent.
No wonder dude’s fundraising is down the toilet. It’s over. You can only get so much mileage out of the one-trick pony, and the race card pony’s back is broke.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
Adela posted this at clintondems.com.
Adela from Orlando, on June 29th, 2008 at 4:22 pm Said:
This happened right here where I live. What one of the cards said:
McCain
Old/Needs New Thinking
Obama
Not Ready
I Bet You’ve Gotten High
At Least “30″ Times. How
Many Times Have You Snorted
Cocaine or Smoked it? Not Good
Why Haven’t You Been Given a Lie Detector Test?
American Wants to Know!!
Obama Should You be The President? I Don’t Think So
Hows About a 40 See Ya in The Hood
Legalize Marijuana/Stop Building Prisons
Don’t Thank Me Now Thank Me Later ……….CR
Ps. This Should Be At Least a Free Ride Deal!!!
Or Maybe Someone Could Buy Me Some Gas
The legalize mairjuana is the dead give-away. OBots are for Obama because he is for legalizing marijuana..
Obots are the guilty ones..
That’s just retarded. What 50 YO woman would leave that on somebody’s car after trashing it?
Obamabots are at it again. They’ll vandalize anything, election or no election..in this case they get their jollies and can ALSO blame Hillary supporters.
NICE.
As a long time active Republican, I find myself drawn to this blog several times a day… Just so I wont lose hope in a McCain victory this fall. I was worried about trying to beat Hillary, if I believed the press I should be worried about beating Obama, but there is so much doubt lingering just below the surface on forums like this one… I just know it is going to pop soon enough and Obama is doomed.
The news doesn’t look that bad for John McCain, and he has a few blogs, too.
If you fellas over in the republican party could give up the whole greed before country and faith before country thing, this Nov could turn into a beautiful friendship.
cingnut,
Hang in there! McCain will be sworn in in January. I know very few people willing to vote Obama and they are almost all dems! The numbers are like 3 or 4 to one McCain votes to Obama votes from dems I know! Not even all were Clinton supporters either! They are just that much against Obama. No one thinks he is who he claims to be or can be trusted.
I am very very disappointed with General Wesley Clark.
He hopped right on that donkey and rode it to barry’s ass so he could kiss it. Guess he didn’t get the Memo from Hillary and Bill .
He turned out to be a major disappointment to me with his snarky remarks about McCain..
I guess he is drinking VP koolaid and started being the attack Dick (Cheney) very early.
LOL… I agree..just like Rendell
They have all, except one, gone over completely to Obama. Lanny Davis says the minimal amount in favor of Obama, for Hillary’s sake, but still supports and defends her Hillary 100%. He has more strength of character than all those other clowns put together.
I know, that bummed me out too. NONE of them followd Ickes’ RBC battle cry with an actual demand for justice. A travesty that we are all just supposed to forget and “get over it.”
NO DEAL!
I look forward to the debates.
Gonna need a lotta popcorn fer that.
Fox News is being real nice to B.O.
For now.
Until August 30.
I noticed that. I think they pulled back because they don’t want Hillary to end up running against McCain. At least they are still telling both sides. The other networks won’t even mention anything negative.
They’re basting the turkey.
Excellent piece. I look forward to the continuing parts. There is no doubt that this particular election cycle is at the very least “interesting” and what we [the voters] do in November will a set of course for things to come. I’m already sliding towards McCain. The Obama debacle has left a sour taste in my mouth, and I don’t see any reason or change in tactics and/or shifting policies that will sweeten the deal. I don’t trust this man, period. It pains me to see and hear Dems I respect climb on the Unity Pony. I cannot join them. I will also not follow Donna Brazile’s suggestion that I just stay home. The sheer arrogance of that statement galls me to no end.
I will not stay home; I will not vote for Obama.
But Red Dirt Talk is a good way to state it: what will the result of our vote be at the most basic level? Can anyone say? The answer is “no” because the variables are endless and no one owns a real crystal ball. Looking at the possible choices in a cool, rational way can only be a good thing. I seriously doubt anything can or will change my mind. But I’m willing to give it a go and read a thoughtful analysis.
PUMApac.org
Thanks Craig. I want information to make an intelligent decision. When was the first installment posted? I would also like to see specifics on a statewide basis, because each state will have a different demographic dynamic. If that’s not possible, where can we get that information (eg: if I’m in a blue state, will voting Nader or writing in Hillary help or hurt BO–or will a vote for McCain have an affect against BO)?
I’d also like analysis of McCain on this site. Honest information that is not coming from Obamabots fueling fear to induce voters to join the Unity bandwagon.
The only thing we do know for sure is that a vote for Obama will strengthen the Obama/Pelosi/Brazile faction of the DNC. A vote for McCain will strengthen the moderate faction of the GOP.
Not bad, improving both parties with one vote.
I have a feeling the best is yet to come. I am looking forward to reading Parts 2-4.
You better recheck your definition of FUD - you got it wrong. It’s fear, uncertainty, and doubt. And your description of it was fairly off base. FUD is all about negative campaigning. noquarterusa is a perfect example a site that specializes in FUD. There is virtually no pro-Clinton content here, almost no pro-McCain content here, and of course no pro Obama content here. The content is virtually all designed to created fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Obama. The Obama campaign certainly does have some elements of FUD in it, as does McCain’s, as did Hillary’s. That’s just part of politics these days. But all three campaigns also attempt to promote the positive aspects of their candidate, thus they are not FUD-centric. This site is FUD-centric.
Also, your fact #2 pretty much flies in the fact of your fact #1. But I do love your absurd innuendo that the Bush administration might have somehow rigged the election, especially since this is in your “fact” section. I seem to recall a concerted effort by conservatives to get Republicans to vote for Hillary in the primary. That’s no innuendo. That’s fact. You might have heard of “Project Chaos”?
Blah blah blah. “Obama has run a clean campaign and won fair and square.” FUD seemed to raise his hackles.
Operation Chaos was a publicity stunt by Rush Limbaugh. It only gained attention around the Texas caucus. There has been something going on longer than that, since 2005, in fact. It is here:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
We’ve all read it. This is what the author referred to.
Interesting. Of course, if one looks at the polls going all the way back into 06 (link below) you will see that on average Obama has polled better against McCain than Clinton. Not always, and not by a lot, but it is hard to look at those polls and figure that the GOP really wanted Obama and not Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
If Clinton was dominating Obama against McCain, there would at least be a rationale for the Rove conspiracy, but looking at the facts, there is just no reason for it.
What many have forgotten is the huge negatives Hillary had in the early polls.
And the one final fact that the Republicans publicly went after Obama much more than Clinton. But perhaps they did not get the memo that they wanted Obama to win.
Republicans are long-term strategists. They had their VP pick and their candidate well before the primaries. They knew what the electoral map would look like two years ago.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/look_for_mccainpawlenty_in_200.html
They aren’t going by the polls of the moment when they’re planning an election. They saw another Clinton coming down the pipeline and acted accordingly. Democratic party leaders were complicit, because it padded their bottom line. New voters registering, more power in Congress, another year with Republican scapegoats. That’s what I think, anyway. Political groups who play to win don’t gamble on a long shot; Obama was always a weaker GE candidate than Clinton.
I had at one time told my boyfriend that I would vote Obama if one of 2 things happened (Don’t panic, I no longer want to vote for Ofraudma for any reason!). One was if he picked Hil as VP, but that was before I found out who the real Barky was. Two if I found out the republicans set this up to win. Again then I found out who Barky really was.
I would now just congratulate the GOP if this was all thier doing.
Under no circumstances do i want America to end up looking like Barfy’s dictrict in Chicago and have gates crush children, etc.
operation chaos was devised by Move-on in the summer of 2007 where they hired kids off of craigs list and trained them to fook up the caucuses.
That makes sense.
“The Obama campaign certainly does have some elements of FUD in it, as does McCain’s, as did Hillary’s. That’s just part of politics these days.”
What?! I thought Obama was all about NEW POLITICS, and all the “negative, old politics” came from Hillary–and ANYONE else who dares to criticize or challenge Obama? Now, it’s “just politics?” That’s the same rationalization that is being used for his complete reversal on major policy positions. “He has to do that–it’s just politics.” Funny, I seem to remember Hillary being crucified for those same “evil” strategies. Hypocrites & opportunists.
She wasn’t crucified by the realists. She was crucified by your equivalent supporter in the Obama camp.
Below is in interesting snip from a June, 1993 NYT article. Puts things in a bit of perspective I think. Politics is tough, and if things don’t ork, the people turn on you.
I interpret Obama’s syance as a move away from special interests and towards bipartisinship. More importantly, an attempt to get people to believe in government again. WIll he succeed? Probably not. But I do believe he is willing to have adult discussions about importabt topics. Time will tell.
As President Clinton struggles to return to the centrist policies that won the election, an increased number of Americans view him as a liberal, and many say his economic plan relies too heavily on raising taxes and would do little to help the economy, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
Most Americans do not appear convinced by Mr. Clinton’s repeated efforts to show that his economic remedies will place a heavier burden on rich people than on the middle class. And they have grown increasingly skeptical about the fairness and effectiveness of the plan.
The optimism many Americans had early this year that the economy would improve has largely dissipated, with only 13 percent now saying the country is on the rebound. Recent economic data offer only spots of encouragement. Job growth jumped in May, and sales of autos and new homes have climbed, but retail sales have been disappointing. Consumer and business confidence have declined markedly. What Troubles Americans
Clearly troubled by the President’s call for new taxes, by his series of seeming political blunders and by a perception that the economy is in terrible shape, Americans have been more critical of Mr. Clinton than of any President since World War II at equivalent points in office. Mr. Clinton, of course, was elected without a majority of the popular vote in a three-way race.
His rating stands at 38 percent of the public approving how he handles his job, with 47 percent disapproving. Half the people say the President, who campaigned as a populist and vowed to end the status quo in Washington, has lost touch with average Americans.
Mr. Clinton’s latest political stumble — the uproar over his nomination of Lani Guinier to be the Justice Department’s civil rights chief and his withdrawal of the nomination on Thursday — did not appreciably alter his basic standing, the poll found. Of the nearly 7 in 10 Americans who had heard that Mr. Clinton dropped the nomination, 47 percent said he did the right thing and 30 percent said he did not. And 65 percent of that group said Mr. Clinton was wrong to nominate Ms. Guinier in the first place, echoing what the President himself said, while 21 percent said they approved of the nomination. View of Nomination Uproar
Over all, 32 percent of Americans familiar with the episode said they had a worse opinion of Mr. Clinton because of his handling of it, 11 percent said they thought better of him, and 53 percent said it had no effect on their views.
The telephone poll was taken Tuesday through Thursday with 1,347 adults nationwide. On Friday night, 565 of the respondents were interviewed a second time, after Ms. Guinier’s nomination was withdrawn. For results based on all respondents, the poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
Seeking to erase the perception that he is turning liberal and failing in the job, Mr. Clinton has in recent days hammered at the theme that his economic program calls for significant spending cuts, and he appointed David R. Gergen, a senior aide in the Reagan White House, as a top adviser. But those moves have not raised the President’s popularity, nor did the narrow victory of his economic plan in the House of Representatives 10 days ago.
Though many Americans are clearly troubled by the early days of the Clinton Administration, the good news for Mr. Clinton is that they are still willing to give him a chance. Sixty-nine percent said Mr. Clinton was learning from the problems he has encountered and will do better, the same number who said he had a vision of where he wants to lead the country. And 62 percent said they believed that Mr. Clinton “cares about the needs and problems of people” like themselves, although 74 percent held that impression in January. What Worries Clinton
I interpret Obama’s syance as a move away from special interests and towards bipartisinship. More importantly, an attempt to get people to believe in government again. WIll he succeed? Probably not. But I do believe he is willing to have adult discussions about importabt topics. Time will tell.
Key words: You “interpret”. You “believe”. Things that are clear don’t need interpretation. That you need to interpret makes your beliefs… not so believable.
There is nothing about Obama to be “pro” about.
Obama does a good job all by himself creating fear, uncertainty, and doubt. No Quarter just reports it.
Again, there are no positive aspects to Obama campaign.
Sounds like you were bamboozled good Ted. Why do you keep coming back here? Ae you Obama in diguise doing your usual Sunday blogging?
The radicalism runs so deep throughtout the Obama campaign, and presents itself on so many fronts, that it is breathtaking.
From the irrational bot bloggers, to the attempts to shut down opposing web-sites, to the known associates of Obama.
One of his and Ayer’s heroes Saul Alinsky wrote their “game plan” long ago.
Check the following and tell me if you will, which if any have not already been used, and are in use, by the Obama/Axelrod cabal.
Community organizer Saul Alinsky’s 1971 list of 13 Rules for Radicals:
1 ) Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2 ) Never go outside the experience of your people. It may result in confusion, fear and retreat.
3 ) Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat.
4 ) Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules.
5 ) Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6 ) A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7 ) A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8 ) Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9 ) The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10 ) The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11 ) If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into it’s counterside.
12 ) The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13 ) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.
More re Obama’s idolizing of Alinsky:
Revolution Obama-Style
by Alien Abductee http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/195520/045/275/493981
By the way, Alinsky’s base of operations, and home of his “school” of radicalism,– Chicago!
Man, you people are some sore loser’s. I’ve heard about this site but I had to come see it for myself. If any of you would seriously vote for sydney mccain instead of Obama then you weren’t really Democrats in the first place.
Obama 2008 baby!!!!
Hmmmmmm, ‘dose’ huh? Yeah, that’s about right.
If that’s the best you can come up with, then Obama has nothing to fear from you traitor’s.
Why do you overuse apostrophes like that?
What is that? A dose of Kool-aide? And please, get a new script. The traitor, racist, loser lines are no longer irritating, just lame and boring.
Fly back to the Mother Ship and tell the Master that he’ll find no devotees here. Only scorn and mild disgust.
Good riddance!
PUMApac.org
piss off, dose
News flash: HILLARY DIDN’T LOSE!
Your sorry-ass candidate had to be carried across the finish line by the media, Wall St., George Soros, and the corrupt DNC.
Now that you’ve visited, go away again.
Whatever. You are stuck on stupid.
I really believe that in October all hell will break loose involving Obama, Rezko, probably Wright….wooooooooohooooooooo..There is just no way the media can continue to turn a blind eye, even as sorry as the MSM is, they do not want to be ’scooped’! On one of the web sites I go to http://www.hcsfjm.com a full page is going into the Chicago Sun right after the 4th and then its been mentioned that a tv ad is coming out in October that will blow Obama out of the water. Now, I do NOT know this for fact, just saying what is being said on the web site.
You people would atleast be respectable if you would just admit you are republican’s.
Dose:
You’re totally off the mark. I and almost everyone on this list is a lifelong Democrat. You might be lulling yourself into a false sense of election security to think we’re “just” Republicans trying to stir the muddy waters.
Not only am I a Dem, but everyone in my family for generations have been loyal Democrats. I voted for Carter [regretted it]. I voted for Dukakis, and Gore and Kerry [they lost]. I voted for Bill Clinton and though he broke my heart by squandering his last term, he was a damn good Prez. But Obama? Never.
So, dream on that we’re a bunch of Repub conspirators. Or that we’re racists or all the other lame accusations you people make, over and over ad nauseum.
Sadly, it just ain’t so. It’s your candidate, friend. The Great One is plain unqualified and unacceptable. And he will not get my vote.
PUMApac.org
LOL! You are such an idiot. Never voted Republican in my life–until maybe this fall…but NO-BO no matter which lever I pull.
But please, continue to believe we’re Repubs so the polls will continue to underestimate us.
If you vote for sydney mccain this fall then you are a republican.
Sooooo all the republicans that Barky asked to vote for him in his “Democrat for a Day” commercial are at heart democrats…?
No. but the BOBOweenies thought it was OK when republicans were coming over to BOBO. It only became a problem in BOBOland when republicans came over for Hillary
And you are a fool!
OK I’m a Republican. Obama loses.
What do you care. Butt out.
I do not belong, and never have belonged, to any political party. I am an Independent who tends to vote Democratic, but pigs will sprout wings and soar over the frozen plains of Hell before I vote for Plastic Jesus.
Dose, it does not make a damn “what I am”.
All you and your fellow fanatics need to know is that I am working toward defeating Obama. In any way I can.
And…that Hillary Clinton would have had my vote, now John McCain will.
ORLANDO, Fla. — Racial slurs targeting Barack Obama were discovered spray painted tonight on dozens of city vehicles in Orlando …
I would bet a paycheck it was hired Obama comrades. They lie about everything else … there’s more than sufficient proof of that!
I read about the vandalism and immediately thought: Frat boy stunt. As if HRC’s supporters would be stupid enough to leave a “calling card” signature. What a strategy!
Cut me a frigging break!
PUMApac.org
My question is and has been on other blogs is if Mr.Obama is such a strong candidate and we’re just a bunch of middle aged women who won’t get over it why do they bother coming here?
Don’t they have some big party tent set up where they can await the large victory in November?
Oh by the way I just have to repeat everywhere I go that I was censured on Jack Cafferty’s blog the other night. Censorship by the news station I watched the most.
No I’m not a Republican, life long Democrat. Floridian that has waited every day for eight years for this election to come about. Only to have this mess thrown on me. No I’m not a racist, campaigned for civil rights my whole life. But if this garbage keeps getting thrown at me that I am I may turn into one!
You are definately a republican and a racist, just like the rest of you fools here.
Is this the best you can do? Maybe the man is highly unqualified. There are many African Americans I would vote for.
But thank you one more troll who has made the point for me not to vote Obama. You serve your master well!
ok, now I know that the correct response to this particular ignorant troll (I guess that is redundant) is to completely ignore. Obviously here just to jerk off. Poor kid, must be lonely in that basement at home.
Dose, you little troll, I have voted once for a Republican (against Rod Blagojevich, another Rezko pal)in my whole life…the rest of the time, a straight ticket. But not this time. THere is no way I vote for the pompous, smug, inexperenced Obama.
Say, troll, tell me anything Obama ever did on his own in government where he didn’t overstate his role, or ride on someone else’d coattails.
Are you JoeChi from you know where?
no.
What business is it of yours? F off stupid
Thanx to Plastic Jesus and his Oborg, I now regard an accusation of racism as the leper’s bell of an approaching guilt-grifter.
The guilt reflex, like the fear reflex, tends to wear out with repeated stimulation.
Call me anything you can think of, but when Obama loses the election, I will feel good about having played some part in that.
You say you’ve been waiting eight years for this election. Which doesn’t make sense because you have probably already voted for bush twice, and now you plan on voting for him a third time.
Are you even old enough to vote?
You don’t make any sense. I thought you Obama followers were supposed to be the highly educated ones, we the lower working class.
This will be my last post to you but I will respond with something you can understand:
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me!
I’ve been voting Democratic longer than you’ve been weaned,
Whatever you are a republican, you can call your self anything you want but it doesn’t change the fact that deep down inside you are a republican.
YAWN
Oh look another republican.
…or outside of BOBOland, “HE DOESN’T LOVE MY BELOVED BOBO!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!”
I’m a Republican. Obama loses. Kewl.
Whatever. Go away kid.
Hell, being a Republican now looks like a positive to me, as compared to being an Obama/DNC Democrat.
Go ahead and call me a Republican, that does not hurt my poor sensitive feelings.
However, please do not call me an Obama supporter, Dose, that might just drive me over the edge.
LOL, what a farce!
This is the coolest republican website I’ve ever seen!!!!!
Wow, leave this one alone guys, it’s painful to watch the beating. It’s like watching the clubbing of a baby seal.
You’re a racist. Do you know how I know? Because you don’t agree with me… RACIST!
You’re obviously enjoying yourself. Sure you’re not a Republican yourself?
It is going to be so great when mccain wins, because i’m so tired of Roe v. Wade, and the 4th Amendment. I can’t wait til mccain gets rid of those things. Plus he will make sure the war never ends, and that is awesome!!!!!
Great–WELCOME ABOARD!
My husband did his time in Iraq, I’m done having babies, (stretchmarks are a bitch) and you are a lazy, good for nothing spoiled brat and your parents hate you. Fight Iraq and RoeWade on your dime. We’re all sold out here.
Wow you really are a republican, you don’t care about anyone but yourself.
Well, I don’t care about you.
Of course not I’m not a sexist, racist, warmonger like your bff sydney mccain.
No, you’re just fat and weak and your mommy hates you.
Go sign up and help the boys in Iraq. Make yourself useful kid.
I want endless war and the return of the draft. I want you to die overseas in a big mushroom cloud.
Listen you SOS: I could give a flying f^ck about Roe v Wade: that’s just not my problem anymore. If some young woman doesn’t want to get knocked up, then she can use birth control or fight for her rights the same as women before her.
4th amendment? Are you kidding me, after B-Ho’s FISA vote??? What’s the freakin difference?
You obviously haven’t been listening to his Possumness or you’d have seen he has no intention of ending this war in anything like short order either.
More, and most importantly: YOU DON’T GET TO CHOOSE MY CANDIDATE FOR ME, YOU STUPID F&CK.
I value my right to vote above all my other rights: it is the guarantor of my other rights. It makes absolutely no sense to assume that some piece of sh^t who thinks I don’t hve a right to vote for anyone other than him cares about my rights. B-Ho does not care about women’s rights, he has no credibility in this regard, or in any other regard.
He is in bed with Rezko, Daley, Giannoulias, Pritzker, Auchi, Alsammarae, Odinga, Ayres, Qazwini, Khalidi, (formerly) Said, Exelon via Axelrod and Rogers, jr.; Wright, Moss, Pfleger,; he’s endorsed by Farrakhan, Hamas, Qaddafi, Jong il!
I don’t care if he runs on a ticket with Clinton, the Virgin Mary or Joan of Arc: I will not vote B-Ho!
I’m an Independent, having been a lifelong dem for 24 years of voting. Piss off!
Here another republican is trying to rationalize why he/she wants to continue the war in Iraq, and keep women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.
Gawd. Barky is for the war, he voted to keep funding it. Just ask Powers.
Obama’s the one with the housewife living off his earmarks. Cindy McCain runs one of the biggest US companies (Anheuser-Busch) and several charities.
Just get it over with and register as a repub, since that is who you vote for.
Nope, I’m still a democrat voting foe MCCain. Suck it little one!
Okay kid. Whatever you say. Going dow to register repub..after we vote out the down ticket
As my husband always says “Another idiot looking for someone who gives a _hit”!
This isn’t Chicago and thug mentality won’t work on the whole United States.
Ignore him its past his bed time anyway.
Why do you people hate America so much?
Nice Bushism. Neophyte.
Because of people like YOU!
Why do you see everything through eyes of hate?
We` love America, unlike you fools who only love Obama. Don’t mistake Obama for America.
Oh I thought that is what barky wants us to do??!!
I just heard on CNN that Bill Clinton is supposed to speak with Obama in the next 48 hours, as Bill is getting back from his European trip (recall B-day Party for Nelson Mandela).
Didn’t say it would be an in-person meeting.
Do you suppose they will discuss the alleged “kiss my ass” comment?
Man, I hope the Big Dawg puts the punkass thug in his place. One punch to that smug gob.
It totally sux that I can still afford to buy food and gas, I can’t wait for mccain to make living so expensive that we can’t aford it anymore.
You mean “Your mommy can’t afford your food and gas anymore” Lazy punk.
No she can still afford it, that why we need mccain. So he can make life unnafordable.
Vote for mccain, because peace is overrated.
Thx, I’ll stick with McCain. Peace may be overrated, but a piece sure isn’t. I don’t feel like opening the door to a bunch of fascists who want to try to take my guns.
This is another republican putting party before country. Way to go!!!
Hilarious… you BOBOweenies didn’t have a problem putting party before country when you expected unity.
Wrong, it is Obama that is over-rated!
So let me get this straight.
First he has his campaign paint Bill and Hillary clinton as racists.
And he spends the entire primary season deflecting all criticism of his lack of experience, lack of judgement, lack of ethical morals, lack of backbone, lack of a clue as just racism.
Then he gets the DNC to push clinton out and now wants clinton’s support.
Then he comes to Florida and says WATCH OUT THEY IS GOING TO CALL ME A BLACK MAN!! and claims the republicans are going to play the race card against him.
Then magically 60 cars get vandalized with anti obama messages in spraypaint grafiti saying obama smokes crack and what not and business cards are left on the cars? with messages supporting Hillary on them?
What are they going to do next? Find a volunteer to hang from a tree and light the corpse on fire and stick John McCain buttons on it?
These fucking idiots have no clue as to how transparent their dirty politics are do they.
Anybody, Any Body who does not see the similarities to the rise of hitler in this needs to wake up.
they are painting anyone and everyone who doesnt get on the bus as a racist.
this is frightening.
Americans, take your contry back before its too late.
One objection, Craig — your item about HIllary’s campaign.
The reason she succeeded in the Nevada caucus was that it was a very unusual, er, set-up. Caucus locations had been set up in the casinos so workers could caucus from work.
Hillary’s people found factories and other workplaces within the area and, working downwards from the union leaders in those factories, marched their employees over AS A GROUP, all wearing T-shirts saying “I support my union / I support Hillary.” (Also many of these were Latinos who are into group action.)
In Latino areas of Texas she had pretty good turnout — again, Latinos arriving as a group, group support.
Elsewhere even with tremendous effort, Hillary’s voters just can’t deal with caucuses: old, timid, wiht children, poor, sick, working long hours….
I’d suggest re-writing your piece, leaving out that whole item about Hillary’s campaign. Too much guesswork involved.
I can think of half a dozen ways she could have handled the caucuses better. Here’s just one: she should have hired lawyers in every caucus district to stand at each caucus station and challenge every entrant to show proof of residence. That would have eliminated the Obama thugs who traveled from state to state participating in multiple caucuses. The point is she didn’t have an effective counter to the Obama hijacking. His 10 caucus victories in a row gave the DNC all the excuse they needed to hand him the nomination.
Like I said, I don’t like it but the fact is she didn’t figure out a good caucus strategy until it was too late.
Top ten reasons to vote for mccain:
1. Because war is cool.
2. There aren’t enough people in our prisons.
3. It’s fun to kill brown people.
4. Intelligent Design needs to be taught in public schools.
5. All that ice at the North Pole is blocking our shipping lanes.
6. It’s about time that an old rich white guy became president.
7. Women should be pregnant and in the kitchen where they belong.
8. Because the gap between poor people and rich people isn’t big enough.
9. Gay marriaqe is wrong.
10. Because I want the government to spy on me.
Uh dude, you do know barky flip flopped on FISA, refuses to have his picture taken with gay rights supporters, voted for the Cheney energy bill (Mccain voted against it), wants to keep troops in Iraq along with Blackwater, hates women like Hillary, and flip flopped on the death penalty which kills more black people in proportion than white people.
STOP! you’re trying to reason with a BOBOweenie.
Nah WC, I’m just poking it with a stick to see how hard it squirms….oh, ok I’m bored, so sue me. Oh well, time for a bubble bath and a glass of wine. ‘Night Fellow NC’ers.
Heh Heh Heh. I was just funnin. (and by the way you do a great job poking them with a stick)
You have to use salt on slugs.
10 reasons to vote for obama:
1. Because i am afraid if i don’t they will brand me a racist
2. All the dirty Politicians in Chicago need a change of scenery.
3. America is a down right mean country.
4. You want a president who claims to have judgement in one breath and in the next claims to never have known heard seen anything that would indicate those were the people he knew for 20 years.
5. You harbor white guilt that it is your fault and you need to make reparations for your white sin.
6. You like the idea of stopping by your local Hammas station to pick up a bomb on your way to the bagel store for your morning latte.
7. You think babies are a punishment and would rather see them terminated when a live birth abortion takes place even if they are breathing.
8. You buy the bullshit that only the democratic party believes in womans rights even though they just finished shitting all over you in ways the republicans never dreamed of.
9. You think American Idol is as important as the Presidential Election and should be voted on the same way.
10. You really do want to pay more taxes.
11. You buy the ROe V Wade threat bamboozle and your number one fear in life is WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO DO WITH YOUR VAGINA!!!!
12. You really do think that GOD SHOULD DAMN AMERICA!!!
This is what a republican sounds like.
LOL let’s face facts, a BOBOweenie would think anyone who doesn’t adoringly support their beloved BOBO sounds like a republican.
When O loses on election night you Obots can “get over it.”
O’ver it!
I’m probably going to jinx us by saying this, but I really hope when mccain is the president that he’ll ruin the environment so much that human beings die off. won’t that be awesome.
I’m sure BOBOland is looking forward to it.
Well that includes you Dose and all your dopey friends. And that will make me really, really happy–extinction of the stupid.
My advice to the list? We ignore all posts from Dosey-Do from now on. He/she has the plague of the ignorant, someone who obviously gets off on this constant drivel.
Go home to Mommy, Dose. You need a feeding.
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dose won’t you add some intelligent discussion here. Obama agrees with spying on americans
Obama agrees with having guns so you can shoot anyone with equal opportunity.
Obama believes in the death penalty.
Obama voted for the Bush Cheney energy bill..McCain didn’t
Obama voted for every funding authorization and campaigned on behalf of Lieberman running as a pro-war independent.
McCain voted for every funding authorization and supported Lieberman running as a pro-war independent candidate.
McCain can’t tell the difference between Sunni and Shia
Obama thinks they speak Arabic in Afghanistan.
Obama’s staff has admitted that they haven’t run their tax plans through models yet to see if the even actually will work.
Obama favors some privatization of Social Security just like GWB
Obama was going to vote for Roberts until someone told him it would hurt his career.
Twenty two democratic senators voted for Roberts and now the party is threatening us with Roe V Wade?
Fifteen democratic senators voted for Allito and now the party is threatening us with Roe V Wade?
If Roe V Wade was such a concern for the democratic party then why did all of these duly democratic senators vote for these justices? Where was the party “representing” women’s interest? Now they want our support because OMG Roe V Wade could be threatened. Well if the dumb asses were actually representing women all along then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
STOP! You’re trying to make sense to a BOBOweenie.
I have news for you..no matter how good a campaign you have, if you are not prepared to be cheated, then no campaign is good enough. How in the world was she prepared to head off a cheater until it happened. It’s not like she didn’t regroup after that..she knew right then and there she was being cheated and she put the necessary precautions in place. I mean when you pass out inkless pens to Hillary caucus goers and win 11 states..well
I hope someone reminds Big Dawg of the inkless pens before he speaks to BO. And also remind him of the stacks of Hillary votes thrown into the trash.
I mean there was a You Tube out about the inkless pens also and a complete demonstration of how it went.
It was an atrocity, but we knew about before the You Tube came out..
So how can anyone blame her campaign. That is what BO does to people he runs against…he cheats and then says they ran a lousy campaign..don’t go blaming her campaign. We have been around and around about this but in the final analysis, she was cheated.
Despite everything done to make her lose she did wonders pushing back and had a great finish. She is awesome!
Do you guys think if I try really hard that someday I might be able to hate democracy as much as you. I sure hope so.
What democracy is that when Obama is the only one allow to think and decide? No free thinking, no right to choose who to vote for, and no right to vioce concern on politicians, and no right to free speech, that must be Obamcracy. Since anyone who dsiagree whith him are labe as democracy hater.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha …one man one vote. And, we ain’t voting for BOBO. What’s there to hate?
CRAIG DELLA
Red Dirt of Tara. Love it.
but i thought Hillary was supposed have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday? who needs them sill caucuses?
When mccain is the president we can bomb all the countries that have brown people. Won’t that be fun?
Why do you think bombing brown people is fun?
Because sydney mccain says it is.
Ha Ha Ha Ha don’t do much thinkin fer yerself dooya?
I’m proudly voting for Mac because he is a true American hero. I trust his ability to lead. I trust his judgment.
Unlike the soon to be one state wonder loser and terrorist sympathizer BHO and his criminal friends.
How exactly is he an American hero?
McCain fought valiantly in a war against communist aggression. LOL it pisses you off doesn’t it?
Fought valiantly? Oh you mean how he got shot down and started his career making propaganda films for the North Vietnamese. Ya that is patriotic.
I was right, it does piss you off Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
So when was the last time you serve our country? Next life? You must be the real hero then.
Because he’s running against Obama, the fraud?
OIC you were voting for Hillary because she was running against mccain, and now you are voting for mccain because he is running against Obama. That makes perfect sense.
You poor deluded BOBOweenie. Hillary was running against BOBO. She never got a chance to run against McCain
Anyone who run against the Fraud that is Obama will be a hero. That could be anyone. It mean a free thinker, and against thug and brainwashed fool like you. that takes a lot of guts.
Not going to be partaking of the DNC koolaid. Not going to happen.
I put my country before my now ex-party.
PUMAs have legitimate grievances that will not be assuaged with a pat on the head and a “that’s a good girl.”
The first grievance is you nominated the wrong person — fix that RIGHT NOW and send that lying unqualified charlatan packing and I come back to the party. I will vote for Hillary, I will campaign for her. I will send money to the DNC and help elect down ticket Dems as well.
If not, you know my answer.
Just as a matter of curiosity, Chairman Dean — how is all of Senator Obama’s private fundraising going?
Under performing now, is he?
Now that the Republicans have no more reason to fund and prop up his campaign just so they could get rid of Hillary first. Guess who bought the koolaid, Dr. Dean — it wasn’t us — ti was the DNC when you saw all the $$$$$ signs. Rove has played you again.
And now we are going to play you, too.
This is your punishment for throwing the best, most prepared and caring candidate we have had in ages under the bus and nominating an empty suit — we are going to elect a moderate Republican for you.
I understand there is also a comprehensive list of every single Super Delegate that came out to endorse the fraud on or before June 3rd — we plan on voting against them, too, as their judgment is obviously suspect and likewise clouded by $$$$ signs, and they can no longer be trusted to have our best interests at heart.
You may even lose some seats this year — how’s John Kerry’s race looking? — He’s actually got a fight on his hands. How about Wexler?
Also, a lot of Obama’s supporters are voting for their candidate only — you know, kind of like American Idol — they may not even be aware of the rest of your down-ticket candidates — remember in the primary how many of them left the down ticket dems part of the ballot blank. They, too, left you swinging in the wind for your “messiah.”
Wow. How’s that feel, Dr. Dean. To be abandoned? To be told that your needs or concerns don’t matter. Like we were told that the person who won all the big states,save Illinois, all the swing states and a huge electoral map majority should get lost and we should “get over it”.
Quite obviously, the Dem Party has been hijacked by elites who could give a crap about the rest of the party. Don’t worry. We intend to return the favor.
This is not going away. We will rid ourselves of the cancer that you and Pelosi, Reid, Kerry and Brazile have created with your arrogant dismissive election-fixing attitude.
We will remember in November.
Failing all else, we could recognize what a powerful movement we really are. We are smart Americans, we can come up with ways to fight the common enemy. After all, the ones they call the “founding fathers” in the history books came up with ways to fight and win. We just have to make sure that we don’t exclude the “founding Mothers” this time.
I can’t wait to watch the Obama campaign lose it on election day.
That day can’t come soon enough.
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Don’t worry guys if hillary doesn’t get to be president I will hire her as my official ball washer.
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