“Why Do They Hate Us?”
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on June 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, DNC, Death Threats, GLBT, Hillary Clinton, Keith Olbermann, Misogyny, Racism, Sexism, Women, Women and Children
Last night, I was reading Curve Magazine (Vol.18,#6, July/August, 2008). In it was an article by noted Lesbian activist and writer, Victoria A. Brownworth, “Why Do They Hate Us? How the Media treats Hillary is indicative of how the world sees women: as second class citizens.” The title pretty much says it all. And what she wrote included startling facts, which I will list below. They are not for the faint of heart, let me warn you right now. As is my wont, I felt compelled to write the Editors:
I just finished reading Ms. Brownworth’s piece, “Why Do They Hate Us.” It moved me to tears. As one who has followed this election campaign VERY closely, I have been horrified, and furious, at the treatment of an attorney who worked for poor women and children, a Former First Lady of Arkansas, a Former First Lady of the United States, and a TWO-TERM Sitting US Senator by the Mainstram Media, Senator Barack Obama, and the DNC.
It is simply staggering how accepted sexism, even misogyny, is in this country. It is mind boggling that Main Stream Media can make demeaning, disparaging remarks about a US Senator because she is a WOMAN. I am a lifelong (50-year-old), straight-party-ticket Democratic voter, or I should say I was, until the treatment of Senator Clinton, and ALL women, by the DNC elite and Senator Obama.
I have now left the party to which I have dedicated myself, my money, and my vote. (I might add, my decision was reinforced when the RBC/DNC decided to take actual votes cast for one candidate, Clinton, and give them to a candidate who was not even on the ballot, in addition to the sexism, even misogyny, in which the above three have participated this year.)
And I am saddened. As one who actively worked for women’s equality for over 32 years, it is incredibly discouraging and disheartening to see how quickly people - men AND women - revert to blatant sexism, almost with GLEE. They act as if they have been holding back these comments and feelings, but are now free to let loose with their derogatory comments. There is not a DOUBT in my mind that if these same comments were expressed in a racist manner, they would - RIGHTLY - be decried far and wide. Yet, since they were *only* about a woman, well, haha,” weren’t they funny, and we all know they are true anyway, right? Nudge, nudge, wink wink,” it was just fine. Sigh.
And now, the more qualified candidate (IMHO), the one who has been a STALWART supporter of women, children, the LGBT community, and numerous other groups as diverse as veterans and Native Americans, has been subjugated to the less qualified, far less experienced, male candidate. It seems we have not moved very far at all…
Thank you, Ms. Brownworth, for writing what many of us have experienced, and for pointing out the cruel facts of what it means to be a woman in this country, in this world. We have much, much work to do…
Sincerely,
The Rev. Amy
And juxtapose this to Obama’s recent remarks about how Senator Clinton was “brutalized,” equating the treatment his wife got during this campaign season to the treatment Senator Clinton has endured. No apology, no acknowledgement of his, and others, horrific treatment of her during this campaign. Just deflection, and “look over there.” I’m sorry, but from where I sit, Michelle Obama has been treated pretty fairly by the MSM. The grief she has gotten has been more a DIRECT response to what she has SAID, not that she is an African American woman. There is a world of difference between the two.
And now seeing these articles and photographs of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama together, him with his hand on her back, just makes me cringe. Frankly, it makes me almost physically ill. See, I have done a lot of work in the Domestic Violence movement. And I have seen this cycle before: the man abuses, attacks, and lashes out at the woman. The woman makes excuses for, and accepts blame from, the man for his attacks. Not unlike Senator Clinton saying now that they are friends, respect each other, and support each other. I know what respect looks and feels like - Senator Obama has shown NONE for Senator Clinton. Senator McCain has, but Obama? No. Seeing these photos of her with him now reminds me of battered women wearing sunglasses to hide the bruises, and saying, “Oh, he didn’t really mean it. It was my fault, really, I shouldn’t have made him mad. He really does love me, in his own way, really! Don’t be mad at him!” Not only did Obama make sexist remarks about Senator Clinton, INCLUDING at the fundraiser the other night, but he reaped the benefit of the sexist and misogynistic remarks made by others, the veiled death threats (talking to YOU, Keith), the threats of violence, the degradation, not on her record, or on her speeches, but because she was a woman. As Ms. Brownworth wrote,
Clinton was the focal point for American misogyny, writ long and large. She was tough enough to take it and not cry foul, but why do women and girls have to take it? Why are we called bitches and cunts if we speak the truth about our lives? We are treated as less-than-human in a myriad of ways in our society. We are victims of violence, discrimination, and hate, and that diminishes us daily as human beings.
(Vol. 18, #6, p 34)
And now, for the facts I mentioned above. These are not pleasant. Stop reading here if you do not want to be disturbed. Okay. Here I go, from Ms. Brownworth’s article:
Vaginal destruction:
For over a decade, war has raged in the eastern province of Congo. Gangs of militia have preyed on women and girls and made rape and vaginal destruction major tools of that war. Vaginal destruction - an act so violent a woman can never again have vaginal sex or bear a child - was defined as a war crime in April…In Congo, women have been raped so brutally and by so many men at one time that some have been eviscerated. Eviscerated by rape. That is how much they hate us. (p 34)
Honor killings:
What has never made the news is that nearly all of the murders of women in Palestinian territory have nothing to do with the political situation there: They are the result of honor killings…Honor killings are a leading cause of death among women in the Middle East. Since the U.S. occupation of Iraq, the number of honor killings has risen exponentially because the once secular nation is now an Islamic theocracy. (pp34-35)
Lest you think all of this violence is only in other countries, here are some U.S. statistics:
One in six women will be raped in her lifetime. One in four has survived child sexual abuse or an incestuous relationship with a male relative. One in three has been the victim of domestic violence. Over 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by an ex-husband or ex-boyfriend each year. The leading cause of death among pregnant women is murder by a spouse or boyfriend. Four out of every five female murder victims in the United States were killed by men they knew: a spouse or boyfriend, a male relative, a co-worker…This means millions of American men - men we know, men we may love or have loved - hate us enough to rape, main, or kill us. Millions. It’s a difficult reality to face: Women and girls are so hated that our lives and bodies mean nothing to these men.
(p34)
Brownworth continues,
Perhaps that reality and the inchoate knowledge of it is why it was easy for people to refer to Clinton with the vilest of hate speech and feel no remorse and receive no recrimination from either the general populace or the media… (p34)
Wow, Speaker Pelosi - it seems that SOMEONE wasn’t too busy to document all of the sexism and misogyny, even if YOU were too busy to do so…(Ref: Pelosi’s interview with Greta Van Susteren this past week on “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.)
As I said above, Obama did not even have to say despicable comments himself - having others do so as his surrogates was sufficient. That is the whole thing with domestic violence - the THREAT of it is sufficient to keep many women in line. Their partners may not engage in violence themselves (and psychological and emotional battery still counts as domestic violence, by the way. Some would argue, convincingly, I think, that they are worse as they are more insidious, and stay with the woman much, much longer than physical abuse), as other men engaging in this behavior is enough for the fear to be present in most, if not all, women.
More from Brownworth:
It doesn’t matter if we are siting U.S. Senators or sitting at home taking care of our children or sitting by a stream getting water right before we are gang-raped. It doesn’t matter if we are in the United States or Congo or Gaza or Iraq. The one common denominator for women, the thing that unites us, is that we are all hated equally for our gender.
To some men - even the men who loved us before they raped us or beat us or murdered us - we are all cunts. For ourselves - and for the women and girls of Congo, Gaza, Iraq, and every other nation where women are being eviscerated in body and spirit - we must stand up and speak out against the global terrorism of women and girls. (p35)
And so, as much as I admire and respect Senator Clinton, I cannot, and will not, participate in this Party-, this Country’s- sanctioned cycle of violence. Please stop asking me, us, to do so. I deserve better. YOU deserve better. We all deserve better than to keep feeding into this cycle. I, for one, will not.
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GREAT ARTICLE………….YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN THINKING THIS……HEAR THE PUMAS ROAR AND ROAR
The media has moved away from informing and moved toward fringe tabloid journalism. Only the fringes respond emotionally to fear and scandal reporting. The rest of us have a life and even when it’s bad it’s still good. We aren’t the money maker for the media like the conservative or progressive fringes.
You are so correct…. Money rules the world.
That is not good.
I don’t think we have a democracy any more- The corporations own congress, senate, own the White House. They own MSM- Have you noticed alcohol commercials are back on TV? When did that change? Have you noticed that on primetime news ABC there are Viagara PENIS commercials? All the commercials for WOMEN to thin down, smooth skin, enlarge butt and tits? What do you think we are being told? Then we have depression and sleep drug commercials. Day in and day out.
I’m voting Nader or sitting this one out. The voting will be rigged, our votes won’t count and I’ve concluded that the election process is a joke and the only real statement that will be noticed is if less voters vote and take to the streets. But the reality is none of this really matters any more. The Corporations Own America.
All I know is I will never vote for Obama or any candidate that is so OBVIOUSLY FLAWED. That would be pure idiocy and that’s the Democratic party we see before us. I say Boycott the GE.
Hey believe, I’m going to take a page out of Senator Obama’s book and vote “present” for the Presidential election. You know the same way your craven candidate when facing women’s choice issues. Not onlt that but if Hillary isn’t on the ticket, I will work my little booty off here in Virginia to make certain that every female I know KNOWS that Obama is no great ally when it comes to women’s issues. Put that in your pipe and smoke on it.
PUMA
I don’t have to work that hard.
Everybody I know in western Virginia is laughing like hell at this fool.
I’m an honorary Male PUMA.
I’ll do what I can do out here to suppress this Chicago corruption fraud’s vote.
I know a lot of people and I’ll work on it a little bit.
Ought to suffice.
PUMA!
Good. Obama’s been counting on duping your state, and western Virginia in particular worried pundits the most over whether he could carry that state. I’m glad to hear that Obama’s novelty has worn off.
Good I hope you are working at getting rid of the two senators and congressman who endorsed BHO after your state went over whelmingly went for Clinton
The commenter is from the western part of the state of Virginia, not the state of West Virginia.
The state of Virginia did go to Obama, but not the part that he is from.
Yes, I still haven’t gotten over the misogyny and the lack of tack/decency by the media. Did they not have mothers, sisters, or daughters. The hatred that came out of that church and the hate…hate not just towards Hillary, but towards all women.
The impact of this election went beyond our country and many throughout the world are still a bit misty. “Get over it”…
The corporate media keeps their jobs by toeing the line. There is rampant nepotism and hiring follows a trend. There are, according to some, 14 defining characteristics of a fascist government, and ours is moving in that direction. One is sexism. Another is a controlled mass media. Another is fraudulent elections. Disdain for human rights recognition. Corporate power is protected. That’s quite a few right there.
Don’t forget those women who happen to hold office and were silent when Barky was using his minions to slam and smear Hillary.
Indeed, where was the outcry from Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Sebellius, etc?
Oh yeah there wasn’t any.
So much for women standing up for another, guess it doesn’t apply if the woman in question is named Hillary Clinton.
I guess its only sexism only when Republicans do it, otherwise if its a male Democrat bashing women its ok.
That was shocking the only ones who stood up for Hillary were Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones, the others said NOTHING. Then when it was all over you had Boxer, McCaskall (hope she is voted out) and Stabanow being asked if their was sexism during the primary and NONE OF THEM would take a stand, Stabanow sat there and said “well were not used to a woman running for President, but we are all united.”
I about flipped out of my seat, there is no woman out there for generations that will be able to accomplish what Hillary accomplished and display the strength, courage, and determination she has (the country could have had another “GREAT”) and it will be a cold day in Hell when I even consider supporting obama or the DNC again! One of many reasons obama should never be elected, but this is a big one, along with the disenfranchisement, usurping the will of the voters, and stealing delegates. If the people don’t stop it, it will only continue.
That’s why Emily’s List will get no more money from me. What was the point of getting these “progressive” women elected if all they were going to do was condone what happened to Hillary with their silence?
Good point…where the HELL were they? In a coma till it came time to enable Obama the abuser?
Yes, ZEE, excellent analogy! Where the Hell, where they? Enablers, in a coma, allowing the incessant woman-bashing on-air and everywhere to continue without a peep of arugula breath spent by The Precious One! This campaign was the best thing that happened for women to wake up to how far they haven’t come at all!
And watching with a teenager the “Obama Gives HIllary the Finger” gave me indigestion and teh primitive, illegal desire to roar and attack with something heavy anyone close to me with as much as a mention of Barry Soeroto”s changed name.
I am disgusted with Emily’s List as well - to truly stand for something means to stand strong especially when the onslaught comes. The first action Emily’s list did was CAVE and give in to Obama. I feel total disgust for them.
I sent Lee and Jones quick “thank you” notes.
Add Amy Klobuchar and Betty McCullum to that shameful list. I have been asking them why for months, never get an answer, they don’t have to bother.
Amy Klobuchar is on my hit list for 2010. She has answered my emails, only to tell me that it is not a senatorial issue and if I’d ever like to ask a senatorial question, she’ll answer it, but she was disregarding my email!!! What a c*nt! You see, I have decided that since these women in politics find sexism so acceptible, we should see how they like it! I know if Klobuchar had been subjected to the same as Hillary, she’d run off crying in her silly hat she and those 10 senators wore to their frigging tea party the other day!
You’re anti-sexism but find it acceptable to refer to another woman with that word? Unbelievable. If John McCain is elected president, alas, you’ll deserve everything we get.
Love your logic. Dish it out to the Arugula Ladies of Misogyny!
You are correct about the leadership not standing up for a “Clinton”. The corporate media, and it seems the Democratic leadership, has wanted to defeat a Clinton for 16 years and now they have.
Choice means choice, and not just one outcome. Saying that you do not want your daughter to punished with a baby is misogyny.
He probably believes in honor killings.
You have got to be kidding.
Yes, Barack WOULD believe in honor killings. He campaigned in Kenya for his misogynist Sharia Law cousin Odinga, the billionaire slum landlord whose gangs raped thousands of little girls and burned dozens of churches! Barack knew that his cousin had signed an Islamist Union agreement to instal Sharia Law, Chastity legislation and Full Dress Code for girls and women. Barack donated $100,000 of his own money to his Kenyan murderous relative! So why would he NOT be in favor of Honor Killings! Please do some reserach. This is an issue close to my heart as genital mutilation is common in that poor country which is exploited by monsters like Barack’s cousin who treat women as domestic animals! Barack’s own father had 3 wives and his grandfather was polygamous as well.
Hillary’s 1995 Speench in Beijing is a Bible to me but I am afraid that Obama would be stuttering if he were asked to provide a single issue that would benefit women in his country! Shame on him.
I keep thinking about Hillary’s speech in Beijing in 1995, “women’s rights are human rights”…can you imagine the empty suit saying anything like that? And for that matter the empty suit women, Pelosi etal?
It makes me ill to think the DNC is promoting Obama as a champion of women’s rights.
I’m lacking understanding of voting for bHo for POTUS
if Hillary is chosen as V.P. on his ticket. If he’s not qualified, he’s still not qualified with her
on the ticket. Plus, was Hillary telling us the
truth when during the primaries she said he was not
qualified or as experienced as she and McCain? Was she lying then or lying now?
I’m quite confident the man would never have the superior woman on his ticket. He’d look like an incompetent fool with her beside him plus God knows
his ego couldn’t handle it.
Why not vote for McCain who has said many times he
won’t run again in 2012, but Hill probably will.
I choose to believe that Hillary has a good reason for what she is doing. I also believe that she doesn’t expect us to mindlessly back Obama. I will be voting for McCain in this GE and will be looking forward to voting for Hillary in 2012.
I heard Hillary asking her supporters who don’t want to vote for obama, to “reconsider”.
I have heard some much more inspiring speeches from her.
I believe she strongly hopes that we will have the brains to do what is right - and don’t vote for obama.
She has to do what she has to do. We will do what we have to do.
She has the look of a person with a gun in her back to me. Someone on here was speculating yesterday that perhaps they had threatened to run someone against her; but I think if that was it, she’d just tell them to fuck off. I wonder if they haven’t threatened to hold up any legislation benefiting her constituents in New York or threatened to harm the careers of people like Stephanie Tubbs Jones who worked so hard for her. I believe under those circumstances, she could be threatened enough to participate in this charade. I picture sleazoid Obama standing behind her thinking “dance, bitch, dance” while he is making her perform this little act. I’ll never vote for him.
I am a pro-choice, moderate Republican woman. Hillary Clinton is my Senator here in NY and although I didn’t vote for her the first time around I must admit she has done an outstanding job for all of her constituents. I voted enthusiastically for her re-election to the Senate as did many other NY Republicans.
Hillary’s sheer competence, and persistence, has won me over. I would probably have voted for her for President because even though I disagree with her on some points of policy I know she would’ve done a great job. Hillary has earned my respect.
Obama, his cronies, fanatic supporters and cheerleaders in the press treated Hillary despicably during the primary. Do they think we’re too stupid to notice? Evidently. “Get over it.” Nope, not this voter. Not this “sweetie.”
Say what you will about McCain but he genuinely does respect Senator Clinton and her supporters. He’s been in public service a long time and knows what it means to both win and lose, with honor. Obama has been so privileged and propped up as the public “front” for so many powerful interests for so long that he thinks he’s entitled. Obama’s frat-boy swagger is no accident, it’s who he is. He’s cool, dontcha know, unlike those Hillary supporters who are just a bunch of dismissible chicks.
Thank you NYVoter. I live on the opposite side of the US in CA and I feel the same way about Hillary. I used to be a Democrat but not any more. Now I’m an independent.
I’m ashamed of the way the Democratic party has treated Hillary and Senator McCain has shown her more respect than members of her own party. Despicable.
I will never get over it and I will never vote for Obama. His nomination was rigged from the beginning and some gullible voters still think he is the Messiah despite of his obvious character deficiencies. His pretty words never had me fooled for a moment and I never drank the kool-aide.
The “precious one” is a poser—and worse. I hope the voters wake up in time and send Obie back to Chicago to stay.
MessyMarci
Obama looks like a sleazy dope-pusher especially with his stuttering and half-closed eyes. He is a misogynist coke-snortin’ fist-pumping Chicago sleazebag, and it shows! Shame on the DNC and those treacherous women who sat silently by while this on-air woman-bashing Holocaust was occuring in full view.
they will pay for this.
Pumas/McCain
Isn’t it obvious? Hillary is supporting McCain because she hates women.
Hey, Obamatron, tell your obamabots to go sell crazy somewhere else.
Your Manchurian Candidate is a coke-snortin’ sleazebag gangstah from Chicago who’s in the habit of woman-bashing and stealing elections. He stole it from his African-American mentor-benefactor Sen. Alice Palmer in ‘96! that’s how the jerk started his illustrious Chancy the Gardner (Being There–Peter Sellers) career based on lies. Then he stole the nomination from Hillary Rodham-Clinton! Then he goes on stage and gives her the Finger! And his supporters treat her like the misogynist media frat-boys who pushed him over the Fraudulent finish-line!
so, shut the freud up, asshole and go sell Obamatron Crazy somewhere wehre they’ll buy it. Get lost, now creepo!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Don’t worry about Hillary being V.P. on the ticket. Wesley Clark is actively campaigning for it.
I agree. And that is so disappointing. Wes drank the kool-aid. I expected so much more from him.
Well, after Clark’s stupid comments about McCain today and McCain’s service to our country in Vietnam — and Obambi having to come out with a statement to rebuke Clark — I think Clark just blew his chances for the Veep position. What a shame…
Agred. Wesley Clark’s comments were DISGRACEFUL, but you will agree, rather Obama-like. It’s as if the man was hypnotized by this sleazebag from Chicago’s circle of corruption! I feel he should be careful and Obama should APOOLOGIZE for making this honourable man(Wesley) say comments that obviously slander Obama’s Axelord Campaign (dirty) tactics than anyone else!
Shame on Obama’s Campaign. We should understand then fully that what happend to Hillary, the HIllary Holocaust, was manufactured and sold by the Obama Dirty Campaign Tricks Inc. Disgusting, but that’s Sweetie for you!
This country made a LOT of progress in corporate America over the past few decades. The appearance of the sack of crap known as Comrade Obama has set back that progress by a minimum of 30 years.
I frankly cannot imagine how any self-respecting woman could vote for him. I would vote for a cockroach before I would put my future in his hands. I don’t trust him with my country. I don’t trust him with my life. And I definitely do not trust him with the rights of women.
McCain vs. Obama: The Hero or the Zero.
Agreed 100%
Choice:
The Hero McCain
or
The Zero Obummer
“I have no doubt that Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a good President”!—-Sen. John McCain, 2005, in response to Tim Russert, Meet the Press, Baghdad (he was there with Hillary)
McCAIN is a man who ALWAYS RESPECTED HILLARY and they got along cooperatively and humourously at Senate! He deserves this vote in November for that RESPECT! And the Hell with the ObaMyopics. They’ll gain their vision in a few months…too late.
Pumas roar!!!!!
Yes.
Obama is a Zero who does not respect Women and reviles Hilary
Sen. McCain got along with Hillary and said this when they visited Baghdad in 2005:
“I believe and have no doubt aht Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a great President”!—to Tim Russert of Meet the Press
A vote for McCain is a Vote for Respect of Hillary
So, in November, we can afford to vote Republican with a CLEAR CONSIENCE!
Pumas for McCain (Hill would have done the same)
Grrrrrrrr
EAT UP THE ARUGULA HORSEFLIES!!!Spit ‘em out..
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must ‘kiss my ass’ for his support
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2211812/Bill-Clinton-says-Barack-Obama-must-%E2%80%99kiss-my-ass%E2%80%99-for-his-support.html
If I hear “Get over it” one more time, I’m going to punch somebody.
Get over it.
YOU GO BILL!!
I love that guy!
Bill is a PUMA! We understand that totally!
Go BIG DAWG, we have your back too.
I have nothing but respect for anyone who can see what has gone down this past year and is revolting against the whole damn sham new and horrific DNC.
The Roe vs Wade threat is getting old and boring. Important issue to Hillary’s supporters back in ‘72.,
but what importance is it over a mysognistic, anti white, elitist, throwing ” typical white grandmas” and “uncles” under the bus, leaving the church, denouncing this crook and that one,
not knowing him and not the same person today that he knew for 20 yrs.
Just a typical politican, flip flopping, back and forth over Iraq, FISA, gun control, campaign funding,
on and on.
Roe v. Wade is no longer a valid threat. Democrats sat on their hands while Alito was affirmed, afraid of doing anything so rude as filibustering, so there are now enough anti-choice justices on the Court to overturn Roe anytime they get a notion to. Some speculate that it will not be done because both parties use this issue to rouse the base. I hope they are correct, but the truth is that anyone arguing Roe as an issue to get you to vote for Obama is either an idiot or thinks you are one.
A sexist pig in my district (NC-09) named Harry Taylor is the Democratic candidate for Congress, and he supported Obama. Similar to Obama, he and his operatives are sexist and homophobic, and his only qualification for office is a protracted question he asked George Bush at some stadium in Charlotte, NC. He is an idiot, and he will lose, as he is out of touch with his district. He is also one of those out of touch elitists who has no platform and no convictions.
Why does Obama attract so many sexists?
hmmm…interesting to ponder. Birds of a feather perhaps. Takes one to know one?
Is that a trick question? You might as well ask “why does a pile of horse dung attract so many flies?”
Birds of a feather, perhaps?!
I like John’s answer better.
Israeli news on Obama birth certificate:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12944.htm
And this:
There’s more — go to the link above.
FightTheSmears did it by taking the photoshopped copy off of DailyKrap’s site.
I THINK ALL AMERICANS SHOULD HAVE THE ‘RIGHT TO INFORMATION ‘ ACT ENFORCED WHICH IS PRESENT IN SOME DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES (INDIA)TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE LIE.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE TO SEE THIS DONE.
IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES THE ELECTION COMMISSION SHOULD VET THIS OUT IF NOT THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS INFORMATION.
Obama has a passport.
If one is a natural citizen of the U.S., one needs a notarized copy of your birth certificate, or the original.
If one is naturalized citizen, one needs the original naturalization certificate.
“If you were born outside the U.S. and your U.S. parent(s) did not register your birth at the U.S. embassy or consulate, to apply for a U.S. passport.
You will need:
1. Your foreign birth certificate that includes your parents’ names; and
2. Evidence of your parent(s) U.S. citizenship; and
3. Your parents’ marriage certificate.”
Three people breached Obama’s passport records. Two were contract workers and they were fired. What did they see? Who did they tell? Do the Republicans know something? If they do, I doubt they would use it because knocking Obama out of the race would likely make Hillary the nominee. They don’t want that.
Never ever Obama. PUMA all the way.
I also believe Larry Sinclair!The Media won’t
touch it which makes me so mad. This is a good
video showing why you should believe Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgc6tZTBpk
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I’ve been a victim of too many U.S. statistics. To see them all in one paragraph is sobering.
I can’t vote for Obama. I can forgive, because that has to do with me, with not carrying hatred in my heart. But I will never forget. I will definitely not forget by November if that jerk is the nominee. I am under 50 (as if that matters) and he will never get my vote. And if it means that I have to vote for McCain to keep that jerk from becoming the President, then I will.
And, like Hillary and Kristen Breitweiser (the 9/11 Jersey Girl), I will never forget. I have donated to relieve Hillary’s debt and I have donated to Ed O’Reilly’s campaign to defeat John Kerry. I will donate to every opposing candidate to every Super Delegate who votes for Obama. Henry Waxman is my Representative, who is going against his constituents’ desires and voting for Obama. I will campaign for his next opponent and donate to that person’s campaign. True Hillary supporters don’t have the time, money or energy to vandalize cars…we put our money where it does the most for our cause.
The neo-Dems think we’re fools who will eventually do their bidding. Remember in autumn the events of June 3rd and the voters of both Michigan and Florida, administer tough love, and remind the neo-Dems that actions have consequences. They do not deserve nor have they earned both Congress and the Office of the Presidency. Like the Republicans, they cannot be trusted.
If we can get McCain elected then we can take him out for Hil in 0012. Vive the revolution
Dave,
the black guy didn’t defeat the woman, he was selected by the DNC and then they proceeded to cheat in every way they could to make certain the WOMAN would not take her fight to the Convention, like every male candidate had been allowed to do, with far less reason to do so.
If this race had been fair and honest, BO would have been defeated soundly.
Great post, Amy. Painfully true.
Early on in the primary I wrote a piece comparing my past work with abused women to what was happening to Hillary (and her women supporters) during this race. The comparison is even more apt now, with BO telling us to “get over it” and Hillary up there smiling beside her abuser.
I like this from Anglachel.
Uhh, believe, I do believe you’re an enabler. You know, someone who enables the abuse of women to go on. People like you make me wanna puke.
Obamabots at our caucus called some women (in their 60’s) the c-word in jest. WTF! It’s never okay. EVER. Don’t these thugs have mommies? Wives? Daughters? Sisters? It’s all so telling.
Don’t these thugs have mommies? Wives? Daughters? Sisters?
Sure they do. They’ve got to have somebody around to beat the shit out.
Believe you fucking moron,
The point isn’t whether McCain is or is not sexist. The point is that the democrats are supposed to believe in equality and they clearly don’t!!!WE HOLD THE DEMOCRATS TO A HIGHER STANDARD BECAUSE THEY CLAIM TO REPRESENT US. WE ARE THEIR LARGEST CONSTITUANCY AND THE SHIT ON US!!!! SO FUCK OBAMBI AND YOUR ARROGANT IGNORANT ASS!!!WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!
Yeah, and yet the question goes unanswered. Why *do* they hate us. They themselves don’t even fucking know. Forgive and forget my ass.
Because they enjoy it.
Nah. I`ve seen to many like this. They do it to make themselves feel more important. They are sad little individuals,constantly in turmoil with themselves.
Emotions are running high…
The first commenter was perhaps rude, but did not come anywhere near a statement that rape, vaginal destruction, etc were okay by him. My reading was that he thought equating harsh media treatment in an election with such things was nonsense. If I am wrong in that reading, then perhaps the subsequent attacks are fair. But if I am right in my understanding - which would be the most common meaning of the words - then the subsequent attacks are unfair.
We postliberals (a term I feel sums up my position better than “conservative”) thought that Hillary was indeed treated unfairly (the Saturday Night Live routine captured it beautifully), but commented often that it looked uh, oddly familiar to us. When the media has sympathy for a candidate, it shows in a thousand small ways, few dramatic enough to create “aha” moments and give the game away. The praise of the favored one is partly justified, and there is at least some criticism of him or her. The criticism of the unfavored one usually has some merit, and there is occasional praise. Basically, you might miss the slant if you aren’t looking for it, but once you become aware of it, you wonder how you missed it for so long.
I have been pointing out for years that Democrats tend to regard women and minorities as middleweights intellectually; some respect is given, and the accusation is made that those awful conservatives don’t respect them at all. But the glass ceiling is still there. Obama, the ivy-leaguer who people originally wondered was black enough, provides the perfect cover.
I don’t go so far as to accuse Obama of being sexist (homophobic, I dunno), but he clearly relies too much on his ability to be charming to women. It seems to be working for him. I doubt it will work very well on Vlad Putin or Ahmadinejad.
Hillary was known to be far too liberal for most conservative voters. But I assure you there were many who grudgingly suggested that if she were elected, she might at least be a Maggie Thatcher on foreign policy. Obama supporters might mutter that she is a bitch - postliberals like myself would think “No, see, that’s the part I like about her. This is the presidency we’re talking about.”
I sorta hope she tries again. I can’t believe I just wrote that.
That was great. Politics does make for strange bedfellows…booze and ciggies don’t hurt either.
Obama has been blatantly sexist. He does not rely on his charm with women; he feels uncomfortable around them. He tries to be charming and comes off as awkward. The media is working hard to sell this guy. He’s an empty, soulless, mirthless, charmless, fucked up individual, full of insecurities.
He comes off, as I said on the Confluence, as the guy who comes up to you going, “Hey, baby,” but when you turn him down, it’s instantly, “Die, bitch.” And even when he’s still at the hey-baby stage, you can see the die-bitch waiting in his eyes.
Good call. Women with their survival mechanisms intact can recognize these types instantly.
Yes they are. Exactly like they worked hard to tell us George W. Bush was “charming.” I despise these women reporters like Candy Crowley who look like they are about to orgasm on camera every time they speak of either Bush or Obama.
I have always suspected Candy Crowley was an avid reader of bodice rippers.
What replaced bodice rippers, btw? Are people still publishing them?
“Triumphant Victim” novels and Lifetime movies are the new “Bodice Rippers.” You know… Where the women shoot the bad guy in the shoulder, drop the gun and try to run away, only to be jumped by the barely-wounded bad guy. These women then have to “face possible death” before they’re (Miraculously!) saved by the new man in their lives? That’s what happened to “Bodice Rippers.”
Yawn.
Amazing, isn’t it, in a country where 2-3 women are murdered every day by husbands or boyfriends, ‘Triumphant Victim” leading ladies always survive… because a good man ultimately saves them.
Pathetic.
What, pray tell, does it take for you to consider someone sexist? His sly little comments and gestures don’t do it for you? I agree that he was sneaky enough to let his followers do most of the dirty work, but sending people out to do these things and then taking full advantage of it is just as sexist as if he himself had made every threat and every debasing remark.
And he’s about as charming as a bad yeast infection. McCain is the cure.
Every action ever taken can be traced to 1 of 2 emotions. It is either motivated by love, or it is motivated by fear. I can only guess that every sexist action and comment used in this primary can be traced to fear of women, or a woman.
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Interesting point Hillraiser, I myself always considered every action traced to control. Either a need to be in control, control others or NOT be controlled by others.
A corollary:
People who don’t like to be pushed around, don’t push other people around.
This is about temperament; it is a more reliable indicator than (professed) ideology, I think.
Great post, Reverand Amy. Gut wrenching and horrifying, but it really needs to be discussed.
I cannot support the DNC and the way they have selected Obama for us. I think Hillary has been a marvelous leader, but I also can’t follow her while she tries to lead us all towards Obama. I think he’s dangerous.
Thanks, and thanks, Medussa, too. I just got back in town from an overnight trip away, so did not get to jump in when folsk were commenting. I thank you all for your comments (if anyone is still around)! It is a major issue - and is not discussed anywhere NEAR enough!
Anyone here one of the people who had there blog blocked?…besides me…did you here from a Simon Owens today? from http://bloggasm.com/
I am an young woman and I wouldn’t vote for Obarf if you paid me. He is a disgrace and so are his brownshirt followers.
I keep telling everyone that what happened to Hillary Clinton and all women this primary was a VIOLENT ACT.
I could not watch Hillary with Obarf at Unity, it would make me too sick, I was subjected to some photo’s and was ill. The abuser and the abused. Disgusting! Women will stand up this election cycle and take a stand. We will not accept this behavior and fact is Obarf can not win without the largest voting bloc in the Democratic party. WOMEN.
I only hope Hillary does not subject herself or her supporters to this nonsense any longer. She has done her part (the rally) she should now take a long vacation. No job or title is worth this bullshit. Run Hillary Run, as far away from Obarf as possible.
Actually rather than run from him my dream would be for her to stand toe to toe and look him in the eye and say NO to his unity CR#! and say NO I won’t go on stage with you and save your sorry A@#!
People are realizing that women can handle power as well as men. It scares the crap out of men. They already compete amongst themselves for everything–and at least they UNDERSTAND how other men think. How many men understand how WOMEN think? That makes a strong woman twice as formidable. It is easier for them to force them down, then keep them down, than fight fairly and lose.
I am a man. The way I see it, a woman is more detail oriented and more emotionally involved. A man generally are more into the big picture and less emotionally attached. When someone like Hillary comes along who pocess both the quality or man and woman, that scared the hell out of most weak minded male. Just as a lot of men have problem dating women who are more successful than they are. They can not in their mind adjust to the fact that women can be more dominance. It’s a long history of male dominated society that created this problem. A lot of men that are incompoten or lack confident will have a hard time treat smart women fairly. They fail to see that every individual have their own abilities that in some way compensate for their short comings. So, in dealing with strong women, all is required is to be yourself. But, most of these ass we see in this primary are incapable to deal with women who have vision of big pictures, with cool head, passonate and pay attention to detail . So they resort to attack and demeaning Hillary. I hope that when my daughter grow up, men will learn to respect strong women as they should.
I hope when your daughter grows up, our society is closer to valuing its members as individuals and respecting strong women more also. Thank you for a very insightful post. I hope your daughter can be whatever she wants someday.
Thanks. It funny how growing up in Asian culture where women are not treated as equals as I was growing up. An to look back to the big city that I came from in China, women are calling shots in many families now. And Our nation who is suppose to uphold equal right can allow this to happen to women, especially a First Lady. This realy make me sick.
You have summarized the issue perfectly, Hillraiser. You are absolutely correct.
Blah3,
Obama is a participant and a benefictor. His paid Bloggers engaged in misogynistic vitrol. His campaign surrogates engaged in sexism stereotyping of Clinton in his presence. Obama slapped his wife on the ass at a rally in front of several thousand people.
Obama and his campaign staff send Keith Obermann sexist talking points to use to trash Senator Clinton. Coward Dean came out on FOX in March and accused any one of making an issue of Rev. Wright, as race baiting, but never once said anything about the sexism against Clinton, until the primary was over.
OBAMA IS SEXIST AND WE WON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!
Are you serious? He slapped his wife’s bottom in front of a crowd? I enirely missed it.
That puts the crown on his behavior. I heard him to say that Michelle was off limits for everybody.
So he can humiliate her, but nobody else. It seems to me like an owner/property relationship.
Michelle seems to be a strong willed woman. Why does she tolerate it?
I think they were trying to show how manly he was. Didn’t Bush do something similar to Laura one time at an event?
I don’t think Michelle is nearly as strong as Hillary or Jackie O. She is the “straight man” in a comedy team. Her marriage is a farce, and so is her husband’s presidential campaign. He’s not strong. She plays mommy.
It’s staged. They are both closet cases.
“Obama is a participant and a benefictor. His paid Bloggers engaged in misogynistic vitrol. ”
Could you name one, with evidence they’re paid by Obama and a link to the offending post? I’ve looked and can find none.
Thanks
Dan
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Rev. Amy, thank you for the enlightening article. It’s hard enough to read the stories of abuse from other countries, but we don’t expect (or want to believe) that it can happen here.
What I’ve learned from listening to abused women is that they all had one thing in common, a lack of self-esteem. Many of them stayed with abusive men, because they lacked the belief that they could actually do better for themselves. We, as a society, have to work toward helping to build self-esteem in young girls from a very early age. This was one of the reasons why I wanted to see a woman (Hillary) elected president. Too many young girls would rather pattern their lives after Britney Spears, even as troubled as her life is, because they’re searching for self-esteem in all the wrong places.
I feel exactly the same way Lucinda. I watched a youtube video titled: This Ones For The Girls, Why I’m voting for Hillary, by ILDemocrat. It was my entry in this blogosphere. I was so moved by this video that I asked my husband, a college professor to watch it. He was so moved he showed it to his Political Science class along with other videos for other candidates. The response he rec’d from his class shocked him and me as well. They screamed angrily, what’s that it’s all about the “v”! And other things not fit for print. That’s when I became more involved, not just for my country, but for my young daughters.
That is sad and scary to hear. What was the reaction from female students?
The females, sadly were joining in…which is my point. I want more for my young daughters.
There is a new wind blowing across the country and it`s a head wind for Barky.
HARP…
I would call it the great political realignment!
The Republican party will be the party for womens rights. This will be done starting with McCain and his appointment of the most women in history to his cabinet. These women will affect change which will help all women.
The democrat party is the party of sexist thugs and has lost the Clinton coalition.
I’m looking forward to this realignment.
The New Republican(respect,equality) Party
Hopefully it will work out the way you describe. I have supported all the lemons the DNC have nominated for far to long. No more. If we don`t stop this sexism this time, we won`t see true equality in my lifetime.
Very true HARP.
I have been a champion of womens rights in the work place doing my small part of having many women in key positions at my company.
I have the first female plant manager in the history of my industry.
Not because she is a woman, but because she was the best candidate for the job. As a result I’m destroying the competition based in part on her skills
I was looking so forward to this year being the year of the women.
I thought that after all that men have done to screw up the world with wars and greed that maybe it was time to have a woman do the job.
I’m just beside myself with disgust at what I have witnessed this year.
I know what you mean. I was hoping my granddaughters would not have to face the same BS I have witnessed for far to long. Good for you, by picking the BEST person for the job. I`m sure if asked, your employees would vote you a gold star.
This fight has just begun.
Women were caught sleeping or drinking the koolaid at the beginning of the election. I think there is an awakening similar to womens movements in the past. This time it’s different. Everyone can see what sexism did to bring down the best candidate of the two parties.
The anger is real and growing.
We can’t let thugs and gangsters get in the white house. Then this behavior will become mainstream.
What is the new definition of conservative?
How about decency and respect for women!
That’s wh
Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many, for appointment by the corrupt few.
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
So why do they call it democracy?
At least in the Republican party they have winner take all. No super delegates,very little caucusing,no proportional representation.
It’s not about Hillary anymore!
What Dean doesn’t get is that many of us are independents which vote on trust,fairness and experience.
We’re not falling in line because there is nothing to fall in line for with the Undemokrat Party.
I stopped voting Republcian back in the mid eighties when it became clear that the conservatives wanted to have nothing to do with the liberals. Given how the history of the conservative fringe has unfolded since that time, the question this time now that the progressives in the democratic party don’t want to have anything to do with the liberals is do we leave or do we fight? A vote for McCain for Pres and straight democrat for everything else is a vote to fight. Otherwise we just wonder back and forth as the next fringe group feeds off the death of the last fringe group and takes power.
Wildcard..
As I was saying I actually think this is a realignment year.
The Republicans are going to inherit the moderates from the democrat party plus many women.
They are going to change because they don’t attract the kids,punks and thugs.
Look at Carly Fiorina and how McCain is reaching out. They are smart and moderate and understand that women need to be respected and represented.
I can vote for McCain and not just vote against Obama and his minions.
That’s an interesting possibility.
Another excellent post here….
http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/women-under-carriages-under-street-cars-and-under-buses/
Yes, I read that earlier today, and it is excellent.
LOL A little humor. PUMA FIGHTS BACK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prM9gIkozh4
Let me give you my perspective. I’m biased, having grown up with a very strong mother and two very strong and dominating older sisters. My father was strong also as are my brothers but it is my sisters that stand out so of course I was for the ERA and liberal enough to believe that all were created equal.
Where I live, we have a constant flow of immigrants to feed our technology, to pick our fruits and vegetables, to fish our sounds, to cook our dinners, to launder our clothes. They are all male-dominated societies. While my wife and I make joint decisions about our children on a daily basis, most of their friends’ families do not: while an immediate decision might be made for expediency, all decisions eventually are given by the patriarch. Sure there are exceptions such as when there is a one parent family but invariably, you see woman, professional women, in a submissive role at home because of their cultural bias. It will take generations to ameliorate this cultural attitude but take a look around you and where our immigrants are coming from to understand a very simple concept.
This is it. This is the turning point. This is the visceral reaction awaited for so long.
No one really thought Hill would do it. She’s been the favourite candidate for many for sixteen years. Or at least fifteen. She’s also been the obvious candidate. But most of us didn’t know her personally - we only knew what she stood for. And that was enough.
This campaign showed us who she was personally. And she grew immeasurably in our eyes.
Those who make their name and/or their living predicting the future are still saying she will win in November and I don’t doubt it. I don’t doubt it because I simply can’t see any of the alternatives playing out. Call it what you will; the particle physicists refer to ‘layers of the onion’. But sometimes we have an inking of things and it’s just there. Take it or leave it. Call it superstition if you want. Whatever.
This campaign has exposed the innards of the US to the world at large. People outside the US have learned what a hateful nation the US can be. Not the people here at NQ - no: the people here are kind-hearted, generally chilled out, and have an amazing sense of humour based on their being able to keep cool at almost all times.
It’s the misogyny that’s shocked the world. I truly feel sorry for the good people: they’re under such an Orwellian boot heel as can’t be imagined. I know I speak for many in saying we’d all feel so much better and be so much happier if you got the good shakes the rest of us have and were able to join the rest of us in the same world. It’d be great!
The parallels with domestic violence are there and patent. I myself have been the victim of domestic violence on several occasions - and I am male. Nevertheless I see what’s going on; I’m more than familiar with the way things go in the US; and I too cringe at the thought of Hillary having to placate today - it’s very much the same old thing: ’shut the F up you bitch’ but ‘I love you - never forget I love you’.
Yeah right.
This is the turning point. Hill and Bill have always been comeback kids. What’s been needed to put this entire process in perspective is women getting mad. And I think it’s finally happening.
And I think a lot of the women who previously resigned themselves to a vote for Obama will see the tide turning and realise they can still back Hill, that she is still capable of being a winner, and that there is more at stake than a general election.
And I think a lot of the men who were at the very best undecided will see what’s happening and come around too.
I think this post by Amy is the beginning of something a lot of us have been anticipating for a long time. NQ gets a lot of traffic; even those who don’t subscribe to the opinions here read NQ; the word’s going to get out. And with the growth of the anti-Obama movement this is going to be nothing short of a sensation. Already it’s unique in politics: no candidate for public office has ever incurred such wrath and such opposition. A mark is being made and the reverberations are only going to grow. And deadlines like the DNC and the GE matter little: this is a movement in itself and it’s going to take off now and never stop. But the way it looks right now? Barack is out of the ticket. I mean that.
Whether it was Congreve or whether it was Shakespeare matters nil.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
I’m so glad Curve took a stand. The fact of the matter is that Obama didn’t give a damn about the gay community until he realized that we had check books. Shame on him! I will not be used as a woman or as a lesbian. This Pro-Choice lesbian will be voting for McCain in Nov!
Current Google stats:
‘anti-Hillary’ hits: 259,000
‘anti-Obama’ hits: 387,000
Not bad given he is still in the race and she LOST and unlike a few redneck racist former supporters of hers - she is working for a Democrat President come November.
Bush for Bush Mk 3 is not fingerlickin’ good.
Thank you, Rev. Amy.
Brava.
One way to shut up race-card playing Obots is to support the campaign of Lt. Col. Allen West, running for Congress in Florida.
Yes, he is a conservative, but like McCain he’s an American hero whose dedication to and love for his country is unquestionable.
A sufficient number of PUMA bloggers supporting West would provide a massive smackdown to Oborg.
Is he running against Robert Wexler?
I agree with some here who have questioned Obama’s commitment to womens rights. He has voted the right way on pay equity and reproductive rights, but he supported his cousin, Odinga, who ran for president of Kanya. Odinga ran on a platform to impose sharia law in Kanya. I heard Obama helped raise money and campaigned for him in that country.
Sharia law is a strict form of islamic fundementalism that is extremely misogynistic. Women and girls are slaves under these laws and are denied the most basic human rights.
Obama hasn’t been in the senate long enough to really know what he believes. The fact that he would play a role in his cousin’s campaign knowing of his cousin’s platform, shows a complete disregard for the human rights of women and girls in Kanya.
He has always impressed me as someone who is much more interested in positioning himself, than taking a stand. So some of his votes may very well have been cast for political gain, rather than for a commitment to the cause. After learning about Odinga, I doubt he has any real commitment to gender equality.
Learn to spell you ignorant racist hater and then you may be able to find out some truth. Not that it will matter to you anyway.
Odinga is not related to Obama. That is a lie, used by Odinga to attempt too gain some desperat e International recognition when his candidacy failed. (Sounds almost like the make FL/MI count rubbish).
Anyway you thick piece of white trailer trash, you spell Kenya K E N Y A. (You also only need one exclamation mark to show you are making a point).
Nancy Pelosi must be impeached from her position!
A woman worthy of that position must replace her.
A movement in this direction must begin NOW!
Pelosi has got to GO!
Pelosi has got to GO!
NOW NOW NOW NOW
Peelo has got to go.
BOBO has got to go.
Judd, the best way to do that is vote Pelosi out of office. Look at those running against her, like Cindy Sheehan. Send money to Pelosi’s oponents (I’ve sent money to Sheehan). If you’re in her district work against her, etc. etc. I think it’s important to make sure Obama suffers such a massive defeat we will never hear from him again; but I also would like to get Pelosi out of office. I’ve asked all my friends in that area to vote for Cindy Sheehan. She has been endorsed by groups I like.
Off topic..
I just want to remind the PUMAS about the vote cheating.
Lest we ever forget..
repost from downstairs
I have news for you..no matter how good a campaign you have, if you are not prepared to be cheated, then no campaign is good enough. How in the world was she prepared to head off a cheater until it happened. It’s not like she didn’t regroup after that..she knew right then and there she was being cheated and she put the necessary precautions in place. I mean when you pass out inkless pens to Hillary caucus goers and win 11 states..well
I hope someone reminds Big Dawg of the inkless pens before he speaks to BO. And also remind him of the stacks of Hillary votes thrown into the trash.
I mean there was a You Tube out about the inkless pens also and a complete demonstration of how it went.
It was an atrocity, but we knew about before the You Tube came out..
So how can anyone blame her campaign. That is what BO does to people he runs against…he cheats and then says they ran a lousy campaign..don’t go blaming her campaign. We have been around and around about this but in the final analysis, she was cheated.
Despite everything done to make her lose she did wonders pushing back and had a great finish. She is awesome!
If true and it worked in 11 states, then it really does show Hillary supporters were indeed “low information” voters. That is the funniest thing I have read.
Come on now. How many of you were yelling “Stop this” when Bill Clinton was doing young girls in the oval office and chasing skirts all over the country. Where were the NOW types when when this was going on?? Defending Bill Clinton of course….
I can’t believe you’re just now coming to the view that the Democratic party is misogynistic. What rock have you been hiding under?
The Democratic Party has been using you forever.
Sad, so very, very sad…
Consentual sex is how we like it.
Hey Pig sucking scum, what happen’s between a man and a woman is their business. You and Obnma treating us like crap is our business.
So Bill Clinton had sex with a young woman(not a girl if you are over 18) with her approval.So? That’s done by a lot of people in this country. Why you think that the divorce rate in this country is over 50%? Show me one instance where he make sexist remark, or demeaning remark of women. He loves women. It may not be the kind that you may like, but he don’t hate women, and he don’t demean women. Whatever happen between two Adult, is none of anybody’s dam business. Why are you so interested in the sex life of someone else? Why don’t you go do something in that department.
I’m male, 54 yrs. old. I remember when the original Star Trek pilot ran, the captain of the Enterprise in the pilot was a woman. Focus group testing revealed the country was unbelievably not ready for a woman star ship captain, so Shatner got the nod. Decades later, a woman finally got the job on Voyager, but it has always struck me that we Americans are not as progressive as we like to think we are when it comes to our attitudes toward women in the Captain’s chair.
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek because of all the strong women in it and the strong men who work with the women.
I have to pick up on what one commenter said about Hillary urging those of us who may be thinking of not voting for Obama to “reconsider”. I agree with the either conscious or unconscious message she was sending with such a timid appeal as “reconsider” - she understands exactly how we feel about this guy Obama, she is doing what she has to do as a responsible elected member of the Democratic Party, and frankly, he is on HIS OWN. What Hillary is doing now is very shrewd in the long-term. She cannot undo on her own the fact that the nomination is likely going to the extremely less-qualified Barack Obama. She doesn’t want to be in the position 4 years from now of bening “blamed” for not helping him. But, no one is expecting her to really work her heart out for him.
John.
I agree totally!
Hillary is using code which we can see. The way she stands next to him and the way she haltingly said reconsider. Obama looked very weak. Like a guy who stole something from a woman and now knows what the consequences of his actions are going to be.
http://multiply.com/
Not to spoil the party, but her stats on rape and molestation are bogus. These are the same figures that certain feminists have been promoting since the 80’s and they’ve been debunked repeatedly. Check around and you’ll see that while there’s considerable variability in their reported incidence, reputable researchers no longer endorse such extreme numbers. The only way that you get these results is by deliberately manipulating the data.
That’s not to say that Hillary hasn’t been a victim of sexism, but citing bigots in her defense isn’t going to help anyone but the bigots.
Here’s Barack Obama’s record on Women’s Rights. The bills are listed by number at the bottom of each topic section. Look them up individually if you don’t trust the page where they’re collected.
http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/06/barack-obamas-record-on-womens-issues.html
Here are comments and links on Senator John McCain’s record on womens’ health issues and reproductive rights, provided by Planned Parenthood. (They state elsewhere that 51% of women they’ve polled who support John McCain are unaware of his record on these issues. I have no clue whether that’s true or not.)
http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/08_antichoicemccain.html
Newsweek Magazine published an article 04/28/08 concerning the misconceptions many women voters have about what John McCain stands for: http://www.newsweek.com/id/132878
As a man, I’ve got no business suggesting how women should interpret this stuff or think about gender issues. I’m not trying to. I’m only suggesting that people should make sure they’ve actually informed themselves before they make their own decisions.
Lesbian activist and writer, Victoria A. Brownworth whines the cheesy feminist cliché “the world sees women: as second class citizens.” Like so many other feminist dogmas, it’s a lie. For example, second class citizens are the ones who’ll be sent off to war against their will if the State so demands, right? Uh huh, and exactly who is required to register for the draft in America? Uh huh, men are — because they are the disposable sex, the genuine “second class citizens.”
Another example of how men are relegated to second class status is the commonplace headline of the form Twelve Die, Two Women Injured. Gee, who died? Uh huh, men but because they’re the disposable sex and “second class citizens,” the men aren’t even identified with a word to indicate that they’re even people. One injured woman is considered more worthy of mention than several men. That’s obviously giving women first-class status and relegating the lives of men to second place, yet few people have any consciousness of the class dominance of women’s lives and interests over our society.
Oh well, feminists lie and men die. Feminists call that “equality for women.” Sheesh!
You’re right. Factional feminism is a blight.
wow, Reverend Amy - brilliant. Thank you!
What a fantastic post. It takes a lot of courage to speak the unspeakable truth when it comes to the full range of misogyny happening in our world. Of course Barack Obama isn’t responsible for all the degradation and brutal tactics used against Hillary, but he is just as guilty because he didn’t speak out against it. Just like all men aren’t responsible for the brutalization of women on this planet, only the relatively few who speak out against it can be let off the hook because the expression of their outrage is far more powerful than all the cries of women. This is because of that old male privilege. The more men we can get to reverse the acceptance of misogyny, the better off we will all be.
Just thinking…
… but he is just as guilty because he didn’t speak out against it
Not only that he benefited from it.
Michaelyi - the us military is Voluntary.
“Women and girls are so hated that our lives and bodies mean nothing to these men.”
Yes, there’s a lot of horrible stuff that happens to women around the world. But when it comes to things like domestic violence, abuse or rape within relationships, this is not so much about men hating and despising us so much as men hating and despising themselves.
These men are also victims of the cycle of violence. It is likely that they are perpetrating violence due to their own abuse as children, not just by fathers but also by their mothers.
I have seen women smack their kids and treat them terribly in public grocery stores…what on earth goes on behind closed doors?
Men are not the sole perpetrators of violence. They just happen to be bigger than us and more likely to hit us whereas we women are more likely to take it out on children than on men.
The reason why I bring this up is that I think the feminist tactic of trying to paint men as these horrible oppressors while we are just the victims does nothing to stop the problem. In order to stop the problem we need to acknowlege that men are also victims of the cycle of violence. If they are hitting their spouses or kids, they need help. They are probably also drinking, which is a major cause of domestic violence on all sides. These me are simply ILL.
For me, the reason why sexism is a problem is not so much that men despise women, but that we live in a sexualized consumer culture where women are shown as being sexpots all the time. So who can take a woman seriously when we have Britney Spears flaunting her belly everywhere? That to me is the reason why women aren’t being taken seriously these days. There’s no conspiracy by men to oppress women with these media images - it’s just Madison Avenue trying to sell crap to us using sex as the vehicle.
Women aren’t taken seriously because they show off their bodies. Blame it on women, it’s always their fault. A second grade teacher goes on vacation, participates in a wet t-shirt contest that shows up on the net - fire her. A second grade teacher goes on vacation, stuffs $100 bills down a woman’s g-string in a strip club and it shows up on the net - he’s not fired. Boys will be boys after all, they can’t be blamed for their behavior. Women however will be blamed not only for their own behavior but for the behavior of the men around them.
I don’t think most men despise women. I think they’re taught to resent women and to see women as inferior, the perfect target for their frustration with their lives - with their sense of being powerless. Which of course, isn’t their fault because we participate in wet t-shirt contests and some of us make our living dancing around a pole while wearing a g-string.
Oh well, enough of that. I love men, I love sharing a planet with them. I just don’t like how society blames me for being a woman and making men act like boys.
What I had planned to comment on before I became distracted was Senator Obama’s hand on Senator Clinton’s back and his comment to be careful not to fall over while sitting on the bar stool. I cringed when Senator Obama placed himself between Senator Clinton and the rope line. Instead of both of them shaking hands along the rope line, he placed her a few feet behind him - where a good little woman who knows her place should be. The whole Unity thing was designed to make Senator Obama look powerful and in control, while placing Senator Clinton in his shadow - the weaker sex who needs a big, strong man to lead her.
When I’m out with my boyfriend, I like to have him offer his arm, put his hand on my back, open doors for me. I’m all for chivalry. I love it in the romantic section of my life.
I cringe if the same gestures are offered in the career section of my life. As an attorney, my capabilities and power before a jury are diminished as soon as the opposing attorney treats me as the weaker sex. A hand on my back, opening a door, etc.
It was nails on the chalkboard for me watching the Unity, NH video. Senator Obama, playing the equal rights advocate for women - telling us that Senator Clinton has broken the glass ceiling for his daughters. But his actions are out of sync with his words. The warning about the stool, the hand on her back, putting her in back of him along the rope line, refusing to let her greet the supporters. If you really consider women your equal, believe that your daughters have the capabilities to be president - you drop the chivalry and treat women as equals in a professional setting. You share the rope line with them, even if they may out shine you. Anything less, even if Senator Clinton had chose to wear a mini skirt and crop top to Unity, is treating them as the lesser sex who aren’t capable of negotiating the world on their own - physically, intellectually or mentally.
Senator Obama’s words said one thing. His actions said another. I believe the latter. It must have taken all of Senator Clinton’s willpower not to knee him. Three cheers for Senator Clinton in getting the aisle seat on the plane and boxing him in, limiting his control and power.
“Women aren’t taken seriously because they show off their bodies. Blame it on women, it’s always their fault.”
I did not say that. I said that Madison Avenue (i.e., advertising agencies, corporations) are objectifying women in attempt to sell us stuff.
Now, that said, women do need to take responsibility for their own actions and behavior. Women who actively choose to objectify themselves publicly hurt other women in the process.
This isn’t about pointing the blame finger, or saying “it’s all women’s fault and it’s not the fault of men whatsoever.” But I neither think it’s entirely the fault of men.
By saying it’s 100% the fault of men, we are giving men our power and saying we are nothing more than helpless victims of them. Sorry, I give women more credit than that.
We can sit here and blame men all we want but that won’t change things. It only puts men on the defensive.
If we want these things to change then we need to stop the blame game. Get proactive. Help our daughters have better self-esteem so they don’t feel like stripping is a good career option. Stop buying women’s magazines - they promote anorexia and poor body image. Stop CREATING those magazines. (The last I checked, the editors of those magazines were women.)
We’re half the population. Would this crap continue to happen if we all stood up as a unit and said “no more”?
But that won’t happen…there’s no unity among women…witness how Pelosi and other female Democrats tore Hillary down. We are our own worst enemy.
It’s all the media’s fault now? They make women want to wear a size 0 and spend a fortune on Botox? Men are just as vain about their bodies. Media has a look they like for women. But I don’t see the media using too many bald, chubby men to market anything either. The men they choose are as out of touch with the average man as the women they choose are with the average woman. When was the last time a John Goodman type appeared on the cover of Men’s Fitness or GQ? Men have the same self-esteem issues as women, but instead of starving themselves - they choose to control women. Women get the message - have the perfect body and you’ll like yourself. Men get a different message - make yourself more powerful than those around you and you’ll like yourself.
Of course, it’s the fault of naked women straddling poles that women in middle management are banging their heads on the glass ceiling. The whole madonna v. the prostitute. Good girl v. bad girl. The bad girls ruin it for the good girls. Men would take us good girls seriously if those bad girls weren’t out there selling sex.
Hugh Hefner made a fortune on selling sex. His business prowess is respected. A woman selling sex whether it’s as an advertising executive or a pole girl at the local strip club is a bad girl, ruining it for all the women scanning Cheerio’s at Wal-mart, managing church daycares and running for President. Sex is a billion dollar industry in the world, why should women turn away from the financial gains and leave it to the men to reap them in?
I refused to be blamed for the male attitude towards women because many women choose careers in the sex industry and have subscriptions to Cosmopolitan. The male attitude - the need to boost their self-esteem by demeaning people they consider inferior to them has existed throughout history. Islamic women cover their sexuality up and they’re not anymore seriously than a women slithering up and down a pole in a strip club.
Society as a whole is responsible for dividing women into good girls and bad girls, we honor the good girls and degrade the bad girls. We divide men into good boys and bad boys, we see the good boys as dependable and boring and cheer the bad boys on. Putting blame on the bad girls, even 1% is ridiculous for explaining why the Senator Clinton wasn’t taken seriously as a presidential candidate. Sex discrimination has very little to do with sex exploitation and everything to do with the male need to control, to have power. That has to be conquered and it won’t be done by eliminating sex exploitation. Male fantasies of sexual domination stem from the need to feel powerful and whether we ban sexual exploitation, close up every strip club, shutdown every porn website and wipe the magazine shelves clean of Cosmopolitan and Hustler - men will still need to feel more powerful than women. It’s that need to be more powerful that needs to be addressed, not sexual exploitation. Take away the sex exploitation tool and the glass ceiling will be as strong as ever, there are a zillion other tools to use for men to feel superior to women.
Do you seriously think that if the positions had been reversed, with Clinton as the nominee and Obama doing his first post-primary campaign appearance on her behalf, he would have been in front of her on the rope line?
Yes. Exactly. It wouldn’t have been even slightly different if Clinton had won and Obama had lost. After a tough primary, a nominee who intends to win the GE takes quick steps, using their newfound leverage, to bring rivals to heel in a public way. This is not misogyny, it’s politics.
Part of the whole Unity smoke screen was to make the Puma women think the DNC and Senator Obama consider Senator Clinton to be his equal. He said the words, but he did not walk the walk. If I were heading the smoke screen to have viewers around the world see that Senators Clinton and Obama are equals, that their genders carry the same weight in the party - I’d have had Senator Clinton on that rope line shaking hands along with Senator Obama. Instead, they put the little woman in back, supporting her man instead of on the rope line giving her the same influence to say “vote for Obama.”
The DNC screwed up that photo op. Just as they are screwing up the cakewalk opportunity they had to control the White House and the Congress.
I really don’t see the main issue here being sexual discrimination. I expected the discrimination and misogyny to have been far worse than it was. The DNC would have backed Senator Obama if it had been Senator Edwards in a dead heat with him. The fiasco on May 31st had nothing to do with gender or race. I think we may derail ourselves if we get too bogged down in those tangents.
Imagine a world whose only remaining super power has a female president. Imagine the way girls living under Sharia or young women facing arragned marriages refugees from the African rape camps, imagine how these girls and women would feel.
Do you know what it would be? Hope. Real hope.
Finally, they could say, we have an American President who understands why women are entitled to the same basic humn rights and dignities as men.
For a preview, check out
Sally Quinn’s interviews with Mary Robinson, former president of Ireland. If this doesn’t make it obvious why we need a woman president, nothing will. (And, imagine having SMART politicians!)A woman leader in Pakistan didn’t make much difference on the horrible treatement of women inside pakistan. The gender is not as important as the policy and the commitment.
If Clinton had won, we’d have articles decrying how “racist” the country is. Can’t win, huh? And it wasn’t “the country” that took this election from Hillary, it was the democrats. Are we saying democrats are sexist? Then maybe it’s time for you to change parties, huh?
I guess you’re new here? That’s kind of the whole point of this fucked-up little Internet ghetto.
This writer seems to forget that men are on the receiving end of a lot of violence, too. The violence comes usually from other men, but, that’s just hormones talking (testerone makes men aggressive.)
For example, most of the murder victims in Baltimore are men.
So, if writer could get his/her head out of his/her va*, and thought about the cruelities inflicted upon men by other men, she/he might not feel so singled out.
BTW, such people will never make a good Republican. Republicans don’t see themselves as victims.
We can’t have smart politicians. To be successful in politics, you need good hair, thanks to the woman’s vote.
So, we get ruled by a bunch of female pleasing hairy heads. Blame yourselves for that, ladies. Just look in the mirror for the problem.
“To some men - even the men who loved us before they raped us or beat us or murdered us - we are all cunts.”
As a man, let me offer a bit of advice and perspective which might explain SOME of the issues woman face with violence from men. Not all, but some.
The idea that a man who would rape, beat and or murder you ALSO actually LOVED you is one that women REALLY need to destroy in the collective female consciousness.
If the guy thinks you are a “cunt”, then he has probably told you that in any number of ways previous to the beating or murder or rape. Perhaps picking up on those clues early would be a good idea, and then kicking the schmuck to the curb before he gets his claws in you.
I have seen far too many woman enter relationships with men who are, to sum it up, scumbags. They act like scumbags to the woman and the world in general, but woman STILL attach themselves to them, frequently with an intensity that defies logic and common sense, and even what one would think is ‘love’.
Brownworth and you express outrage and incredulity that boyfriends and husbands would do such terrible things to their partners because they hate woman so much.
First, why do think a title, whether spouse, boyfriend, orlover, suddenly transform a louse or psychopath into a loving and decent person?
Second, why do you assume he merely hates woman that much? I think most men you would do violence against woman probably hate a good portion of humanity and the world. Again, there are probably a lot of signs of this to pick up on.
Sorry, but as a man who has somehow managed to avoid beating, raping or murdering a woman, I am tired of taking the rap for the minority of men who are low-life scum, and for being blamed the stupid relationship choices women make attaching themselves emotionally to the same.
Go ahead and claim I am blaming the victim here, but the fact remains that some women believe that men who would beat, rape and murder them, actually ‘love’ them. Well, they don’t, and if they would learn to understand that, they might not procreate with the animals who then continue fouling the gene pool.
I am all for castrating rapists, ladies. Wife beaters SHOULD go to the clink. Women should be allowed to arm themselves against stalkers. I’m behind you.
All I ask is that you be a bit more discriminating in the men you fall in love with, and a bit more demanding in what you think signifies love from them.
Deal?
I had a roommate who dated a guy who fell into fits of rage and physically hit her sometimes. He gave her a black eye on many occasions.
She also hit him, but the damage was not as obvious at the end. Because he was a man, he was more impactful in his physical attacks.
Here’s the thing. This guy was a young kid who was very much screwed up in the head. I knew him pretty well…he was over a lot. He was tortured and would end up apologizing and having hysterical crying fits when all was said and done.
The reason why he hit her? He grew up in an abusive home and his father had beat him all the time. He knew no other way of coping with his anger.
Believe it or not, he was not a bad kid at heart.
The point of my story is that THESE GUYS NEED HELP. They are emotionally screwed up and I’d bet pretty much all of them were beaten as children. As long as we just demonize them and don’t get them the help they need (some type of therapy) the cycle of violence will continue.
Now, I’m not saying women should continue to go back to these guys, but it is not right to say that these men are inherently unlovable.
They need HELP.
The other point of my story is that some of these women participate in the violence but due to less physical strength do not put marks on the men in the same manner. These things often go both ways.
PS I have never been beaten up by a partner so I am not trying to stand up for anyone I have loved.
“Obama did not even have to say despicable comments himself - having others do so as his surrogates was sufficient”. Far more important than his surrogates making comments, is that Obama stood silent. If a leader in a corporation stands silent as a witness to sexism, racism, any discrimination, they are disciplined. Why are American’s looking the other way, he is such a weak leader.
I remember feeling sick a few years back watching a news report on Afghanistani women and hearing it said: [paraphrasing from memory]
My point? Women obviously can NEVER rest in their guardianship of womens’ place in society. Without the cooperation of their male relatives, the oppression could not have happened.
In keeping with the theme of guardianship of women EVERYWHERE over the world, sadly, the older females commonly help perpetuate oppression of their own sex. Eerily similar to prominent political females failing to support HRC in this issue. Yes, those women MUST be tossed out on their ears. Their lack of action regarding the treatment of HRC shows they aren’t REALLY the powerful women they protray themselves to be.
Also, how can Obama unify the nation when he can’t seem to unify himself? If his theme is unity, then why doesn’t he embrace his white half? As a mixed heritage candidate in a melting-pot nation, he could exploit his heritage to do a lot to help lessen the divide still apparent between groups and to foster and promote understanding and acceptance.
I would like to point out that the sexism Hillary experienced came from the Democratic Party and its operatives in the MSM.
Hillary said that she received respectful treatment on Fox News, the bete noir of the left.
Conservatives judge candidates by their merits, not identity.
The DNC’s embrace of the Obamamisogyny
is one of the more disgusting
elements in this primary election/selection cycle.
It makes me sick,
and to think that it came from fellow
Democrats turns my stomach.
They can all go to hell.
Aside from the Clinton family
McCain is the only one that took a stand against
the disrespect heaped upon Senator Clinton by the media and the supposed progressives.
Eff that, the bunch of hypocrites.
To accept a behavior is to expect it.
I do not accept it.
Pure, unadulterated racist garbage!
Isn’t Hillary part of that misogyny? After all, she thanked Juanita Broderick for not reporting her rape by Bill, allowing the Clintons to move forward to fulfill their political ambitiions. It was Hillary who ran the detectives who went back to Bill’s girlfriends and threatened them to keep them quiet. They killed one woman’s cat to scare her. For another one, Hillary’s thug told her that it would be a shame if her pretty little legs got broken.
Forgive my laughter when you present, with a straight face, Hillary Clinton as a champion for women’s rights.
What a load of crap. What Obama did to Hillary was that he had the nerve to beat her in the primaries. How dare he.
Hillary is no feminist and only an idiot would say she is. She has consistently overlooked her husband’s philandering and victimization of women while actively covering up for him. The Clintons are stunningly corrupt. She lost and I’m female and I’m overjoyed that Hillary got taken down.
“Why, the man even tossed his own grandmother overboard back in Philadelphia — only to haul her back on deck now that her services are needed. Yesterday, granny was the moral equivalent of the raving Reverend Wright. Today, she is a featured prop in Obama’s fuzzy-wuzzy get-to-know-me national TV ad.
Not a flinch. Not a flicker. Not a hint of shame. By the time he’s finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.”
Unabashedly Unprincipled
Charles Krauthammer
Just when I think that No Quarter can’t get any more bizarre, i read this posting and the subsequent comments. You people are unhinged. Please, seek professional psychiatric help. Now.
I don’t understand it. The Obama supporters are right in there with him. There are a number of message boards belonging to so-called left-leaning radio talk show hostesses and hosts on the WWW that do nothing but brutalize clinton supporters and Clinton herself, and many of these members are women, many are members of the LGBT community as well. Is it like Stockholm syndrome? Is it like Kansans voting against their own best interests?
Unbelievable. And shocking that so-called Dems have abandoned their roots and their ability to reason and look at facts, just to be no better than the Bushbots of 2006.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com
Is it fair to characterize all people who are supporters of Obama–or now sympathetic to his campaign as their secondary choice–based on the vile behavior of a minority of outspoken idiots in his camp? Or to see some vindictive, immature loudmout as an Obama surrogate, and to attribute every moronic thing such a person says and does directly to him?
I don’t think so. No more than it would be fair to characterize Hillary based on some of the over-th-top, hateful stuff a minority of people who claim to support her keep saying about Obama.
I am looking at facts. I’ve been looking at facts for the last 7 1/2 years. I’m looking at John McCain’s voting record, stated intentions, and who he actually represents. I fail to see any significant issue on which McCain’s policies aren’t an extension of George W. Bush’s policies.
In the balance with that, there’s a guy who espouses and has voted for democratic policies, who has been a long-time critic of Iraq, who is respected and looked at hopefully by our allies abroad, and who is endorsed by the same woman I wanted to vote for. He’s undoubtedly got flaws, but most of what I hear against him looks like it’s either being blown out of all proportion with the underlying reality, or outright fabrication, designed to play on my fears, insecurities, and prejudices. That strategy looks suspiciously like the same one used by the right on Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry–and would have used on Hillary Clinton, were she the presumptive nominee.
Hasn’t anyone noticed how the right-wing blow-hards have suddenly shut up with their attacks on Hillary Clinton? Think their opinions about the Clintons have changed? Nope. They’re smiling like snakes now at the Clinton supporters they’re counting on to cross party lines.
But wait and see how much respect your opinions and core principles get after the election.
But wait and see how much respect your opinions and core principles get after the election.
Voting in another republican after their mistreatment of America, based on the assumption that their behavior will change for the better after the election, is analogous to what, exactly?
Maybe making my point that way is a little more topic-specific…
Funny - how you have no specifics about things Obama himself said about Hillary. Only some vague suggestion that his surrogates did it for him. But even here - no specific quotes - attributed to no specific surrogates.
Meanwhile, we have quotes from Hillary and Bill that are disparaging. That she is getting the votes of “hard working white people”. That Obama winning South Carolina is only because of his race. Meanwhile, Bill goes on Limbaugh to drum up anti-obama hatred. And even while she is clearly losing - Clinton suggests McCain is more ready to be president than Obama.
What we have here - and throughout this site - is several truckloads full of sour grapes.
Equating Obama with a perpetrator of domestic violence? Really? How can you possibly take yourself seriously? For one thing, you’re grossly over-sexualizing the decidedly asexual relationship between Clinton and Obama, unless you want to go into pre-limbic associations. This article fails to point out a single instance of even mildly abusive language by anyone in the Obama campaign or the mainstream media. (And I know there was some mild language used in the media that was both derogatory and gender-specific, such as “she-devil.”) How this comes anywhere near vaginal destruction in Africa, I have no idea, and it is not delineated here. Most of what is being decried as sexism against Hillary’s campaign is the mockery it was subjected to once it became clearly impossible for her to win the nomination. She continued campaigning and ran up $20 million in debt, which many of her supporters are now saying Obama should pay for. As this was happening, yes, surprisingly, the people on television began to make fun of her. By and large, I don’t see how a male would have been treated differently. Where was the sexism? It seems that for some feminists sexism has become an expected generalized attitude that requires no explanation. With the full weight and history of the word, this is nothing less than hysteria.
“Hysteria”? “How can you take yourself seriously?” Gee, the girl candidate ran up debt? And was made fun of?
Yup, no wonder you have to ask “where was the sexism?”
Reverand Amy, thanks for this article. As a feminist who has devoted many years to advocacy and direct-service with survivors of rape and domestic violence and abused children, to name a few, I’m amazed at how activating this issue is. I can understand the need to protect by blanketing ourselves in simplistic, “either/or” analysis of the complexities of misogyny. While your article explicates overt expressions of violence in the lives of women, we can’t forget the realities of poverty and homelessness that disproportionately impact women and children.
As Yoko Ono said, “woman is the n*****r of the world”.
I’ll accept for ths sake of argument that everything Revd Amy and others on this site believe is true: Obama is a misogynist, who in league with the press and others ran a mean-spirited, anti-woman campaign that unfairly and constantly went into the gutter to attack Senator Clinton directly and all women in general. You assert the effect on Senator Clinton from these verbal attacks was this:
QUOTING REVD AMY: “Seeing these photos of her with him now reminds me of battered women wearing sunglasses to hide the bruises, and saying, “Oh, he didn’t really mean it. It was my fault, really, I shouldn’t have made him mad. He really does love me, in his own way, really! Don’t be mad at him!” ”
So the woman you wanted to be president of the US became a psychological hostage, in the way women battered by their husbands and lovers are, to Obama because of a very rough and tumble campaign.
Yet you still think she had the mettle to be commander in chief? You do understand that the internal logic stemming from your belief about Senator Clinton’s extreme psychological fragility disqualifies her from a position of command, don’t you?
Why no opprobruim for Senator Clinton’s serial philander husband?
[So the woman you wanted to be president of the US became a psychological hostage, in the way women battered by their husbands and lovers are, to Obama because of a very rough and tumble campaign.]
Perhaps from a simplistic perspective. Taking the broader view, perhaps Clinton has the gumption and determination to suck it up and deal with it in order to maintain her stature and credibility. Women have long been faced with the dilemma of fighting back, or acquiesing in order to live to fight another day. Other women, like Nancy Pelosi, have survived because of deep-rooted denial.
Responding to Tamra:
No, it’s not simplistic. That is the simple logic of Reverand Amy’s post: That Senator Clinton responds to public attacks the way some battered woman who don’t get out of their abusive relationships respond to their abuse. What a frail creature, Sentaor Clinton is then, in Revd Amy’s view. Certainly not strong enough to be commander in chief.
Of course, I don’t believe this nonesense that Senator Clinton is playing out some psycho-sexual drama with Obama.
In my view, Senator Clinton is both a tough cookie and a practical politician. My assumption is she remains bitterly dissapointed that Obama is the presumptive nominee, but sees Obama as better for America (and support for Obama as better for both reaching her ideals AND her own career) than McCain, and is behaving accordingly: Rationally and intelligently.
Tarma,
Hillary did run up massive debt - after spending massively. Are we not allowed to point out facts without being accsed of sexism? And are we not to infer that maybe she didn’t spend wisely - without being accused of sexism? And are we not allowed to further infer that if she can’t run a campaign very efficeiently - maybe she isn’t prepared to run a country - without being accused of sexism?
What do you really accomplish by setting the bar for what constitutes sexism so low?
I pray that this post and comments section are a joke or at least the work of anti-Democrat trolls.
Pathetic and disgusting that you or this author would compare the occasionally over-harsh and yes, even misogynistic treatment Clinton received in the media to rape or physical violence. You are trivializing the immense physical and emotional harm that such attacks inflict in order to make a cheap (dead-end) political point.
And no, she was not “subjugated” to Obama. She voted in favor of the war and ignored caucus states, and she lost the primaries. Obama did not hit her, and he is not a domestic abuser–he got more votes and delegates than she did. You demented lunatics need to break out of this cycle of hatred, paranoia, and dishonesty before you warp your own lives in ways going far beyond politics.
I keep rereading this and trying to decide if it is parody. The whole thing is so hysterically absurd; some variation on Poe’s Law is in order. As a feminist, I cringe to think that someone might read this sort of stuff and think that it is constitutive of the authentic, reasoned, contemporary feminism.
Thanks again, RRR Amy. Insincere self-serving kiss-and-make-up talk cannot erase the misogyny. Obama profited from it, and now wants to profit again from it in the honeymoon phase. What have we learned? Not only that misogyny is not lessened but only better hidden, but we have another example of Obama’s character as revealed in his action and inaction. He could have spoken out and provided leadership. He did not.
Hillary should have demanded that Obambi produce a birth certificate. The one posted on Daily Kos is a photo shopped fake. It appears that Obambi was born in Kenya and is not a naturalized citizen. Consequently, he does not meet the constitutional requirements to run for president. This bombshell will hit MSM after labor day.
Upon another minute’s reflection, it occurred to me that IF this is a sincere essay, my contempt for the author ought to be mitigated by the fact that, evidently, she learned of the above-mentioned atrocities against women in Africa and the Middle East only just before composing this.
This is indicative only of an extremely naive and provincial mind, for which the author can perhaps be forgiven or at least shown leniency. Still, shame on this site for posting her embarrassing ramblings in a featured article here.
Black men have been raping, murdering, assaulting and just plain abusing female liberals in incredibly large numbers since the beginning of the so-called civil rights movement. The democrats have been aiding and abetting this, seemingly oblivious to both the results of their own behavior and who specifically is victimizing them. This is SERIOUS shit. It has been serious shit for two decades now and YOU, liberals, specifically, you female liberals, especially you feminists, are the victims of this.
It’s time you wake up and smell the coffee and resist. Hillary Clinton is being treated like a fucking dog to be beaten for the simple sadistic joy of it. Who is doing it? Specifically? A black man with his black cohorts….aided and abetted by weak minded, even sick minded liberals.
Yeah….you might not want to put up with that.
Huh. I’d think you’d be proud enough of a comment like that to afix your actual name to it.
If you’re actually a Clinton supporter–which I doubt–you’re sick.
If think you’re an Obama supporter, who hopes to make Clinton supporters look bad with an outrageous false-flag comment, you’re equally sick.
Whichever you are, no right-thinking democrat will claim you.
After you morons stop frothing at the mouth, would any of you like to point out some sort of sexism directed at her highness? BTW: Just because someone disagrees with a woman, they are not per se a sexist.
This article, and many of the comments, are the most asinine load of victimist tripe I believe I’ve ever read. Sen. Clinton lost because she ran a lousy campaign, especially the fisrt half, and her husband couldn’t keep from shooting off his mouth. NOT because she is a poor abused woman. I find the suggestion that she is a victim to be far more disprespctful to the senator and her accomplishments than anything the Obama campaign said or did. And as for you so-called “puma” types, go ahead and vote for McCain, who epitomizes everything Clinton stands against and who, not incidentally, could stack the Supreme Court against Roe v. Wade and keep a stranglehold on the judicial system and legislative advances for decades. Yeah, that’ll show ‘em all!! That’ll learn ‘em!!! Geez…
1. Clinton won the popular vote with much, much less money. Obama + bribery = perfect together.
2. The primary was hijacked by the RBC and the DNP supported by helpful propaganda from the MSM.
3. If you are so very concerned about a McCain presidency, then you should have supported the Clinton candidacy. She is the superior candidate of the two.
1. “Obama + bribery?” Please, you sound desperate and ludicrous.
2. The “primary was hijacked!?!?!” Please see number 1. I’m so sure a black man with a Muslim name “hijacked” the entire Democratic primary from one of the most successful women in the history of this country. It was hers to lose and she lost it.
3. I did support Clinton. But she lost, remember? I’ve moved on, just like I did after Edwards, who was my first choice, withdrew. Because I’m so concerned about McCain and 4 more years of Republican atrocity, I’m supporting the Democratic candidate for the office of the President of the U.S., the most powerful single executive office in the world. All you people need to grow up and get your priorities straightened out in a hurry.
Oh, and the money issue? Frankly, I’m comforted by the fact that Obama has raised so much more money than the Republicans. Further, the fact that his money comes from MILLIONS of small donors says something about who is the most populist candidate…We really need to think seriously about what 4 more years of Repubican rule might do, and try to move past all this counterproductive anger. It only hurts us all.
Last November, a father and son in my province strangled their teenaged daughter/sister to death because she wouldn’t wear the hajib.
That is hatred towards women.
I also read that some other people in my area illegally use amniocentisis to determine the gender of their child, and then abort her if female.
That is hatred towards women.
Conflating the serious social ills of domestic and spousal abuse with what happened in the Democratic Primary has as much honesty to it as Bush saying “the USA does not torture.”
That conflation also elides the facts of lesbian spousal abuse, and wife-on-husband spousal abuse, by playing up the ideological canard that only men can do wrong, and that women are always nothing more than powerless victims.
If intelligent, educated, mega-rich, white, hetero, Christian, succsessful by any yardstick Hilary had hired competent staff, instead of flacks, hacks and cronies like Mark Penn (who didn’t know the Calif Dem Primary was NOT “winner take all”); if she had deployed a well-thought-out multi-state strategy (instead of simply promoting her own “inevitability” and ignoring “non-blue” states as if their dem voters didn’t count), for two examples; she would most likely have won.
Saying the primary campaign was the same as domestic abuse plays right into the right-wing playbook, which acts to deny and minimize or belittle the reality of structured and/or institutionalized violence towards people in our society like women, natives, lesbians, gays and transfolk, or people of colour, to name but a few.
There were a lot of words in the primary, but no “sticks or stones breaking her bones” and putting her in the hospital. Pretending the one is morally indistinguishable from the other is both dishonest, and a slap in the face to all survivors of abuse.
It’s also narcissistic in the extreme!
Yes, Canuk. I wholeheartedly agree.
I suggest everyone read Canuck’s post.
Under Obambi, American culture will disintegrate to the supine level of Canadians. Truth be told, white men protect and value women. Obambi hovers above them.
Does he pay his staff equally? How many women are on his staff and i what positions?
He can talk all he wants, but what does he do?
The next smear campaing is Obama surrogates no just questioning McCain’s war record but crossing the line and calling him a war criminal on Obama’s own community blog. Pagan Power had an article on it.
Disgusting…
Don’t you worry Linda C.
There are forces that will ensure that Omabites will one day never wake up to enjoy their trashing of Hillary.
Larry Johnson you are carrying comments from racist bigots and now threats of what? You are a disgraceful fraud. This more than anything shows your support for Hillary to have been nothing more than opposition to the black guy. Go back to the Klan stoking up fears of Muslims coming to get you - you sick ignorant failure.
Whoops. Once again the Obamatrons reveal their ignorance.
Hillary creamed Obama in the popular vote. Go look it up, ‘bot. As for delegates, yes, he ‘won more,” but of course, some of those delegates he actually stole not “won.”
UKforDems…don’t blame Larry. This post was linked to Instapundit.com. and drew in right wingers.
Obambi has benefited greatly from Affirmative Action. He is an incoherent dope. He sold himself cheap.
America is not going to surrender its greatness by electing this pimp.
The left will experience violence.
For the hatred this ignorant blog has encouraged of course it is the fault of Larry Johnson. As he has worked in the Security Services he knows what responsibility he has for encouraging violence.
As for the left experiencing violence, the experience is already there. Those who are real Democrats know it. So it will not just be US Security Services watching the back of Obama it will be the World and the likes of you bigots better not even try.
Who are you any way? you had nothing to said in regard to issue and can’t anwser any concern people have for Obama. The only thing that you are able to do is bad mouthing people, calling them names and twist their word around. Has it ever cross your mind that some of people here are minorities? has it cross your mind that freedom of speech is the foundation of this country? haHas it cross your mind that we have a right to oppose a politician base on his character, record, and judgement? Has it cross your mind that in the GE, youcan vote for any candidate you choose regardless of your party? Is there any wonder why UK is no longer the super power in the world? It’s people like you who fail to make your country better and at the same time stick your nose where you don’t belong. There is a reason why a candidate are not allow to accept donation from foreign source. This is a US election. If you can’t respond in a civil manner, stay away. Don’t try to use us minority as your excuse for calling people racist. You are the real racist who hide in the closet.
Great post! The misogyny of the left was sickening. Even reputed bloggers like Glenn Greenwald at Salon, who wages a fierce and just fight over FISA, turned a blind eye to the incessant Hillary hatred from the media and “progressive” bloggers. This is the mid-20th century all over again with “progressive” males patting women on their heads and not getting in the slightest the rampant sexism that existed in their midst. Unfortunately, younger women today are caught up in the Obama myth and don’t see how they aided and abetted the smearing of a candidate whose main failing appears to be that she was a woman. It is the older women of the non-political class who see through the hypocrisy and remember earlier battles for equality. Sadly, women in politics, especially democratic women politicians, also participated in tearing down one of their own and this is unforgivable.
UKforDem
‘As for the left experiencing violence, the experience is already there. Those who are real Democrats know it. So it will not just be US Security Services watching the back of Obama it will be the World and the likes of you bigots better not even try.”
Ha.!
She’s like Bush, but Bush was just a man! Hillary has the obstinance of Bush (i.e. “STRENGTH”), but unlike Bush, she’s one of us! That is the way to teach a lesson to the Democrats - so that they will respect us as women - the way they respect other stubborn leaders.
Once Hillary’s approval rating goes below 20% then we will know that we’re really onto something!
PUMA!
REALDEMOCRAT above
SHUT THE FREUD UP, YOU DISGUSTING XEROXED COPY OF A WOMAN! YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT AND YOU ARE A WOMAN BY ACCIDENT. IF YOU ARE. WHICH I DOUBT, YOU GOD DAMN OBAMABOT.
GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS SITE AND GO BACK TO TRINITY FOR YOUR DOSAGE, YOU SHITHEAD!
RACISTS?
Hey, OBAMA’S THE BIGGEST RACIST AROUND! HE HATES WHITES AND SAID SO IN HIS BOOK WHERE HE SAID:
‘I HAVE HARBOURED THIS GREAT HATRED AND RESENTMENT FOR PEOPLE OF MY MOTHER’S COLOR’!!!
“WOMAN IS THE NEGRO OF THE WORLD”–John Lennon’s Famous
Song of 71 - READ THE LYRICS, OBAMABOT DUNDERHEADS!
Rev. Amy- THANKS for a great article!
The media misogynist frat-boys’ antics pushed this racist Sharia Law supporter (BHO donated $100,000 to his Kenyan murderous cousin Odinga) to a fraudulent ‘finish line’ and we’re saddled with an arugula-eating arrogantly smug and stupid misogynist who likes nothing more than woman-bashing as a political sport! Sen. Alice Palmer was bashed in ‘96 and now Hillary.
His covert sexist comments are the remarks of a vicious little nerd with tremendously camouflaged raw anger and hatred for ALL women, beginning with his mother. Remember his “Periodically, she feels low and attacks me..” and “her claws come out” and his Yutube big hit: OBAMA GIVES HILLARY THE FINGER!
Obama is an immature smug misogynist who should be taken to a backshet in Kenya and shown the light of reason.
PUMAS ROAR!
NOVEMBER OBAMBI EATS ‘ARUGULA TO GO’
p.s. Figures Sen. Barry Soeroto-Hussein Obama voted in favor of early parole for sex offenders and ‘present’ for the prohibition of sex shops near schools! Yup! The Manchurian Candidate….Big Mac beckons in Nov. till HIllary agrees to run again!
WE’RE MAD AS HELL AND WE AINT’ GONNA TAKE THE OBAMASHIT NO MORE….
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
“The media misogynist frat-boys’ antics pushed this racist Sharia Law supporter (BHO donated $100,000 to his Kenyan murderous cousin Odinga).”
Where to begin?
1. Though Odinga made this claim seeking some political gain, he is not a cousin of Obama’s, according to Obama’s Kenyan uncle. http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL08727241.html
2. Odinga is an Anglican, not a Muslim.
3. Obama did not give $100,000 to Odinga.
4. Odinga does not support Sharia law. He did sign an MOU with Kenyan Moslem political forces — promising to end discrimination against Moslems in Kenya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7115387.stm
5. There is strong evidence that some supporters of Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement participated in attrocities in Kenya. Human Rights Watch has said that party leaders efforts to stop ethnic violence was insufficient — no one credible has alleged, or has any evidence of, Odinga’s involvement in, or condoning of, any murders.
MARY:
Did you know that Obama’s cousin ODINGA is a BILLIONAIRE? He made his money in the worst slums of Kenya with Developers who took money from Kenya’s federal government@! Runs in Sweetie’s “Family to make money from SlumLandlords–Chicago or Kenya!
The $100,000 donated to Odinga by Obama and Dick Morris last year when they campaigned on his behalf there BHO paid from his own political coffers!
does anyone care to investigate further on this issue?!
Obama KNEW that Odinga was preparing to instal Sharil Law and special legislation for full dress code and chastity provisions for women and barring them from gynecological clinical assessmetns after the horrendous rapes and burning of churches in Kenya last December. Obama wrote a Healing Speech for Cousin and appeared in Election posters with Odinaga.
Obama received indignant response from then then Presidnet of Kenya who told BHO to stop interfering in his country’s soveregin affairs.
And this man wants to be President of men and WOMEN in the States? Wake up!
I fully agree Hilary abused Obama terribly
and then like a sap he lets her back in the house like nothing happened. Some people never learn.
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Unbelievable misogny on this site. I like the part that Obama did not need to have actually spoken any non-deferential words about HRC, having his surrogates do so was enough to send this group up in flames. HRC did her own flametarding on a regular basis–I was listening calmly each time and then cringed in disbelief as she made repeated unnecessary, and in the long run, stupid remarks. Kitchen sink indeed! I cringed in disbelief as a partisan and a feminist who could not believe that a grown-up female person would waste her political capital helping the other party and making empty snarky remarks-empty suit, etc. that gained nothing and lost her so much. She not only did her own damage, but had an entire batting bullpen of MALE surrogates–each more slithery than the next–making her no points and plenty of antagonism on the boards daily. McAuliffe, Davis, BC, Carville, etc. Where were the gray ladies–in the kitchen making cookies? I saw Maggie once in a while, but what was with the everpresent panel of surrogoats?
Sore losers soon become bore losers and I hope Hillary pulled out of that track in time to save her future career. When my children and grandchildren lose anything these days, I tell them to not concede, just tell the judge that they need a week to consider their options. You can bet how well that goes over in the real world.
Twat.
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Plsease help me, this is not about politics, my daughter, educated and very intelligent has always been close to her family. She is divorced and after about 3 years has a new boyfriend. He moved into her house and suddenly she is very angry with us. She calls and leaves us messages saying that we treated her really bad when she was growing up and her and her boyfriend do not want to be with us. We were just with them a while back and we thought all was fine even thought our daughter lost a lot of weight and her personality seems to be changing rapidly. She is 32 and our family was known as the close one;. I am having nitemares and am really scared for her. What can I do? If I call her I do not even recognize her. Help from mtnest @plains.tel
Dian, this ain’t the place for that kind of help. You might want to try your local mental health agency and see if they have any ideas or can offer you support in other ways.
Mental illness is unfortunate and many people suffer from it. It’s problematic when you are dealing with an adult child, because, unlike the old days, you can’t simply pick up the phone and have them committed and treated, whether they like it or not.
I wish you luck. You’ll probably need it. These situations often get worse before they reach an intolerable level. The bright spot is that medication can help in many cases–not all, but many.