Red Dirt Talk - Part 2, the Positions (1)
By CRAIG DELLA PENNA on June 30, 2008 at 8:55 PM in Barack Obama, John McCain
Note: All text in blue is taken directly from the candidates’ websites.
Foreign Policy
Obama
Ending the War in Iraq
Iran
Renewing American Diplomacy
Nuclear Weapons
Building a 21st Century Military
Bipartisanship and Openness
Foreign policy is not BHO’s strong suit. He has trouble remembering how many states there are in the US, not to speak of confusing Arabs, with Iranians with Afghans (they all look alike, don’t they?). He’s developed the novel idea of sitting down around a big table and sorting out this mess with all those Arab folks. I’m sure that’ll work. Apparently, even the Libyan President-for-Life Muammar Gadafy gets it: “The statements of our Kenyan brother of American nationality Obama on Jerusalem … show that he either ignores international politics and did not study the Middle East conflict or that it is a campaign lie.” and he goes on to say: “We fear that Obama will feel that, because he is black with an inferiority complex, this will make him behave worse than the whites … This will be a tragedy.”
You know you’re in trouble when even the people who should be happy to take advantage of him feel that he’s a disaster-in-waiting.
I’ve written about this previously: Go here for a longer discussion, I’ll just bring in the last three paragraphs here:
Here’s the point: it isn’t enough to rope in some old guard cold warriors, hysterical firebrands, high powered, guns-for-hire lawyers and radical ideologues. Mushing them together doesn’t get you a viable worldview, a coherent strategy or a workable foreign policy. You, the leader, must have a deep and strong understanding of how the world works, who has a bone in which fight, what they might be willing to give up to get what they can live with. This doesn’t come from pre-digested think tank scenarios, cooked up by a random gathering of advisors.
Rather it comes from doing the cold dreary work of diplomacy, day after day, year after year. That way you gain -dare I say it? - the experience to understand both what you’re hearing …and not hearing; to be able to read between the lines; to detect and respond to a nuanced exchange of views. Working with community organizers on South Side Chicago just doesn’t cut it.
America needs to be able to talk to its adversaries and its friends, we need to be able to tell the difference. We have suffered a drastic drop in global esteem not because we are powerful - we are, not because we are arrogant - and we are that, too - but because we have been stupid for the last seven years and everyone in the world knows it. We cannot afford to be stupid anymore, we cannot afford child-like naiveté, we cannot afford to abandon old allies or to credulously acquire new ones. The Obama Foreign Policy offers all these flaws and more: Obama’s Foreign Policy offers up America to shame and humiliation, to retribution and retaliation. Obama offers to make America the chamberpot for all the ills, real or imagined, of every injured party, past or present, anywhere in the world. Simply put, Obama’s Foreign Policy can be summed up in two words: America Last.
McCain
Importance of Succeeding
Support the Successful Counterinsurgency Strategy
Push for Political Reconciliation and Good Government
Get Iraq’s Economy Back on its Feet
Call for International Pressure on Syria and Iran
Level with the American People
Border Security and Immigration Reform
This is standard McCain/Republican boilerplate: Foreign Policy = Iraq All the Time. Yes, they’re obsessed with Iraq and, no, it still doesn’t make any sense whatever. At least McCain is honest about his intentions and open about his fantasies. On immigration he’s way out front of Obama and everyone else. Hispanic voters have already seen this and with their naturally conservative voting history, one would expect them to move to the (R) side of the ballot for this reason alone.
Economic Policy
Obama
Obama has had little to say about the US economy besides the same old tired bromides we’ve heard all too often. Currently - don’t hold me to this, these could change in minutes depending on what’s politically advantageous - they are:
–WARNING: Bromide Alert, the information below may cause you to lose brain cells –
From BHOs website:
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief - BHO wants to give you $1K back on your taxes
Trade - Breaking News: BHO thinks NAFTA may have been a bad deal for Americans
…and the rest are just pure political quackery
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Support Labor
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Work/Family Balance
*Sigh*, well that was pretty useless. Let’s look at who his advisors are to see what that might tell us:
Austan Goolsbee: U. of Chicago neoclassicist who, for example, objects to single-payer health care on the grounds that it’s not good for the ‘free’ market
David Cutler: Harvard economist who believes that high health costs are good for the economy
Jeffrey Liebman: a Harvard economist who want to privatize social security
Remember these names, you’ll see them again under Healthcare advisors, BTW did anyone notice a pattern here? OK, hands down - it did seem kinda familiar, didn’t it? Oh wait, this sounds just like GWBs economics… hmmm…
McCain
Will Help Americans Hurting From High Gasoline And Food Costs by Instituting A Summer Gas Tax Holiday
Will Stop Filling The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) To Reduce Demand
Will End Policies That Contribute To Higher Transportation And Food Costs
New “HOME Plan” To Provide Robust, Timely And Targeted Help To Those Hurt By The Housing Crisis
Student Loan Continuity Plan
Will Cut Taxes For Middle Class Families and Maintain The Current Income And Investment Tax Rates
Will Make It Harder To Raise Taxes Will Reward Saving, Investment And Risk-Taking
Will Reduce The Federal Corporate Tax Rate To 25 Percent From 35 Percent
Will Ban Internet Taxes and Will Ban New Cell Phone Taxes
Will Act To Lower Medicare Premiums
Will Propose An Alternative New And Simpler Tax System
Will Reform Social Security
This is a grab bag of the usual Republican shibboleths favoring business over citizens. The interesting points are the HOME plan, which lays out a rescue plan for homeowners victimized by the last crop of scam artists, er, mortgage brokers. This plan would provide a pathway from sky-high ARM mortgages to FHA fixed rate deals. It might actually help. Beware the Reform Social Security plan, this is yet another attempt to privatize, i.e., ‘gut’, a public program.
Educational Policy
Obama
Again from BHO’s website:
Zero to Five Plan:
Expand Early Head Start and Head Start:
Reform No Child Left Behind:
Make Math and Science Education a National Priority:
Address the Dropout Crisis:
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities:
Expand Summer Learning Opportunities:
Support College Outreach Programs:
Support English Language Learners:
Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward America’s Teachers
Recruit Teachers:
Prepare Teachers:
Retain Teachers:
Reward Teachers:
Higher Education
Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit:
Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid:
From the drivel above you wouldn’t get the idea that BHO had given any thought whatsoever to education (and you’d be right) but his old pal Bill Ayers has thought about it a lot. Bill Ayers, BHO’s chief education advisor, is better known as the ex-SDS founder of the infamous ‘Weather Underground’ a stalinist organization which used terrorist tactics to fight against US foreign policy - a lot of us fought US foreign policy in those days but only Bill Ayers’ gang of thugs thought they needed to blow up power stations, rob banks and kill people to make their point. Unrepentant, Bill Ayers now runs an educational foundation and under the rubric of teaching ’social justice’ he plans to propagandize the younguns (as the Catholics say: get ‘em when they’re young and you’ve got ‘em for life) into his ideology. I won’t go into a critique of his precepts here except to say that misdirection of the young is despicable and inculcation of any ideology is reprehensible.
Personal rant alert: We don’t know what educational techniques will work, remember New Math?, but there are practical things we can try first and then sort out what else needs to be fixed: first, limit class sizes to 15 kids or less. Try that simple solution for a couple of years, then when the dust settles, fix whatever is left. Hint: there won’t be much.
We don’t need BHO, Bill Ayers and marxist schooling for our kids.
McCain
One word: Vouchers
The Republican obsession with stealing every public dollar possible goes on. This one’s insidious as well, it purports to be about ensuring that every child (and parent) gets to make a choice about the best way to spend their education dollars but it is actually a cover for transferring public money away from public schools and into private, especially religious, schools.
Security Policy
Obama
Here is BHO’s Senior Working Group on National Security:
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
Senator David Boren, former Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Secretary of State Warren Christopher
Greg Craig, former director of the State Department Office of Policy Planning
Secretary of the Navy Richard Danzig
Representative Lee Hamilton, former Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee
Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder
Dr. Tony Lake, former National Security Adviser
Senator Sam Nunn, former Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Secretary of Defense William Perry
Dr. Susan Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State
Representative Tim Roemer, 9/11 Commissioner
Jim Steinberg, former Deputy National Security Adviser
These are essentially the same players as his Foreign Policy team except for the Albright and Christopher, brought in as ‘ringers’ to soothe troubled brows of HRC supporters no doubt - you can be sure that Zbigniew Brezinski isn’t more than a “soo-eee” call away. So we needn’t expect there to be any surprises, or creativity, here.
and from the BHO website, his homeland security plans:
Protecting Our Chemical Plants
Keeping Track of Spent Nuclear Fuel
Evacuating Special Needs Population in Emergencies
Reuniting Families After Emergencies
Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe
Protecting the Public from Radioactive Releases
Nothing new here - all the plans have been drawn up at the Rand Corporation for twenty years now. Still, I’ve got to wonder where all the “ChangeHopeBelieve” creative thinking is? Just following the GWB path leads to more surveillance, more ID papers (are your papers in order?), more control. Hmmm….
McCain
Strong Military in a Dangerous World
Fighting Against Violent Islamic Extremists and Terrorist Tactics
Effective Missile Defense
Increasing the Size of the American Military
Modernizing the Armed Services
Smarter Defense Spending
Security - Foreign Policy - Immigration - it’s all sort of a moshpit for Republicans. There’s a huge sandbox with great
gobs of money to throw around and since they’ve successfully castrated the Democrats there’s no one holding a “STOP” sign anymore. McCain will have a field day here, what with BHOs inexperience and cupidity on display every day.
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Read “Red Dirt Talk - Part 1, the Setup.” Parts 3 and 4 will be published in the coming days.
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Obama, who majored in political science with a specialization in international relations at Columbia University, has repeatedly claimed to be the most knowledgeable Democratic candidate in the area of foreign affairs.
On the 7th, during the Democrat Party presidential debates, Obama was asked if he would scrap the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) as president.
His response was that he would, “immediately call the president of Mexico (and) the president of Canada” to discuss the issue.
Of course, Canada has no “president,” but a Prime Minister.
This gaffe further shows Obama’s unfamiliarity with foreign nations — even our next door neighbor — proving his unsuitability to lead our country during an era where foreign policy will be of prime importance.
Obama must have been smoking pot the day they discussed Canada at Columbia.
Won’t someone think of the children!
in graduate school i did a major paper on the concenration camps of ww2 but that doesn’t make me presidential material or any type of expert. i just learned a little more about a tragic situation.
You really think people on this site addicted to idiocy and manufactured outrage can/will bother to read a post about issues, even one as hyperbolic and biased as this?
You over estimate your audience.
Experience is not what happens to you. It is what you do with what happens to you.
You’re a racist cause that is the only reason you won’t vote for McCain.
Ha lol. It works for ob why not mac!
here is an issue - signing statements.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022401995_pf.html
(got it at TPM)
oh shit! I forgot. You can’t say “signing statements” - it’s a coded racial epithet.
You are a racist and a republican.
How dare you say the SS words.
signing statements are not intended to “reserve the right to disregard the law”. signing states are for giving the head of the executive a position to direct implementation of the signed bill.
just because bush used a tool for evil doesn’t make the tool itself evil. bush used pens and sat in chairs too, but it doesn’t make those evil.
Did read it . Read it all. Have a very long attention span for a bitter person.
NOBAMA.
You still clinging to your guns and bible? You also still afraid of immigrants? And Donna told you she doesn’t need your vote anymore so McCain will gladly take your vote. All racists and people who love war criminals should vote for McCain. (snark)
Way to go PUMA you made Greta take notice!
H.O.U.N.D. — Help Obama Undermine our Nation’s Democracy!
Or, as the “Just Say No Deal” folks wrote it:
HOUND = Heck, Obama’s unqualified, No Deal
Right to the point ;0)
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Obushama please not another term with a pretender with a big ego who wants to be king
Obama do you know that when you deal with Iran, Russia, North Korea ECT THE RACIST CARD WILL NOT WORK . They really do not care you can give a speech
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY CARDS WITH THESE BOYS.
He doesn’t want to play cards. He wants to have tea. (Crumpet, Kim Jong??)
OT but Greta was on fire today, taking BOBO to task on not defending McCain against Clark’s idiotic comments.
The audacity of this mofo: He didn’t directly condemn Wes Clark’s statements and then went on to say that he was going to defend himself against false charges. What about defending McCain? You motherfucker
Hopefully, one of Obama’s actions will cause the backlash it deserves.
And Greta was AWESOME! That was the biggest stand I’ve seen her take.
Because it is always about him! He’s a narcissist.
Yes, quite a ploy…to make himself look like the victim.
I have said since day one that Obama won’t be able to have any discussions with anyone that follows the muslim faith in the middle east. They will consider him a traitor to their religion.
Second, if you think america is bad about the Muslim faith, wait till the jewish people in isreal get wind of him being born to a muslim. There even more strict with the bible than christains.
Obama is a no go, except in one case. Africa. He is being put into office to negotiate a deal with africa over their oil. Its plain to see if you take it from the stand point of what corporate america would stand to gain with the “first African American President”.
You clearly know nothing about Jews or Israel.
So are you saying we should vote for a president based on whether people in the Middle East will like him? Didn’t McCain already try to say Middle Easterners’ fondness for Obama was a weakpoint?
Great job. My quick thoughts:
Obama’s goof prone nature makes for disastrous foreign relations. He has insulted American factions of society far and wide this past year. Hasn’t he already accused two foreign governments of misrepresenting him? Goolsbee and Canada on Nafta and some Palestinian leader he spoke to on the phone about his Israel stance. His backpedaling and lies will cause diplomatic rifts continuously.
Also his flip-flopping and instability is entirely unacceptable in negotiations with foreign interests. They must feel secure in our leadership. He is not trustworthy and it shows. There has also been mentioned, even in the MSM, notably the NY Times, his apostasy issue when dealing with Muslim nations. He was born of a Muslim father and it could lead to misunderstandings and complications - real or imagined.
On his economic policy reforms there has been quite a few economics experts who are quite sure he is in way over his head.
Krugman, the WSJ and IBD have all had major concerns and some of their conclusions have been scathing. His Countrywide and Wall Street backers will be expecting their due for payments made in advance. Didn’t he give his economics speech in NYC and go straight to a secret private meeting with the great white sharks of business as usual/pay to play?
His “tots for ob” program is scary to all of us, as you say “misdirection of the young is despicable and inculcation of any ideology is reprehensible.”
“Protecting the Public from Radioactive Releases.” Anyone who has read the NY Times article on Exelon is scarred for life on the subject of OB and security. Shudder at the thought of him protecting our nation the way he did his constituents in Chicago. I also read an article recently about him (and Pelosi) wanting “fingerprinting” of everyone who works in the securities or real estate industries. Big Brother FISA is a given, he is a control the masses freak. He will have TOO much security, he was for the Spitzer ID card, and all of the feeing I get from him and everyone associated with him is way too fascist for my comfort.
As for McCain - what can I say, I have more confidence in him even when I disagree with him.
When will Obama start looking up the facts before trying to exagerate about his childhood—Looks like Obama needs to look up some US history.
This is from Geta’s Wire…—Someone later said he wasnt even in Hawaii at that time…The Obama quote is from his speech today —- http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/edition_07-06-2008/1Patriotism_Obama
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/06/30/start-your-week-off-with-greta-live-wire/#comment-1300010
Comment by DrDR jojo
June 30th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
How did obama’s granddaddy have the strenght to sit Obama on his shoulders? Obama would be at least 8 years old and the astronaunts didn’t walk on shore
“One of my earliest memories is of sitting on my grandfather’s shoulders and watching the astronauts come to shore in Hawaii. I remember the cheers and small flags that people waved, and my grandfather explaining how we Americans could do anything we set our minds to do. That’s my idea of America.”
July 24, 1969 splashdown after 8 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes. Left - The command module afloat in the Pacific Ocean, 825 miles from Hawaii. The astronauts are wearing biological isolation suits as a precaution against any “moon germs.” Mid - At Mission Control a spontaneous celebration of the successful conclusion of the Apollo 11 Lunar Landing Mission. Right - President Richard M. Nixon greets the Apollo 11 Astronauts, who are now quarantined, aboard the U.S.S. Hornet.
Left - In Hawaii, the Mobile Quarantine Facility containing the astronauts is offloaded from the U.S.S. Hornet. The Facility was then transported to NASA in Houston. Mid - The astronauts dine together during the tedious weeks of quarantine at the Lunar Receiving Lab where they were tested extensively for any signs of exotic infection. Right - August 10, after a clean bill of health and release from quarantine, Neil Armstrong is greeted by friends in the crew reception area.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/apollo11/index.html
good old pathological liar Barry.
Just think of the fuss they made over the fake accusation of Gore inventing the internet.
The mind boggles as to how they will have time for all of the juicy attacks they will use.
They could start last year and not have the time.
Those weren’t the only astronauts who came to shore in Hawaii. And therefore you have no way of knowing how old Obama was when that happened.
so was he twelve and sitting on gramp’s shoulders? that is funny!
I think Barry was confusing his memories with an episode of Gilligan’s Island. I remember the one where the astronauts walked up the shore from the lagoon and Gilligan went yelling for the Skipper. Maybe Obama is confusing the Skipper with his grandpa and he is Gilligan.
And Gilligan’s island — was a tiny island on the Windward side of Oahu — called Coconut Island. That’s where the “location” filming was done.
In other words — perhaps Obama can’t separate fact from fiction of his childhood?
I can easily hold an 8-year-old on my shoulders, and Obama’s quote says nothing about astronauts walking on shore:
Is this relaly the best you have?
george you miss the question and the answer. is this the best obama has? the tragic answer is yes.
You gotta love a piece that starts out “Foreign policy is not BHO’s strong suit. He has trouble remembering how many states there are in the US…”
That’s like saying “Biology is not my strong suit. I have trouble remembering how many verb tenses there are in the English language…”
kindergarteners know how many states we have in the US. You don’t need a college degree for that.
Maybe the United States is a foreign country to him. He prefers Odinga’s Kenya.
uh, uh, uh, yea, uh-huh, that’s it.
Craig, all that writing and you left me wanting more.
good post.
You’re in luck: more is coming…
If I was the Prime Minister of Canada and had heard Barack Obama, the candidate for President of the United States, refer to me as the President of Canada, I would probably have chuckled at his stupidity. If I was Hamas or Hezbollah and heard the candidate assure AIPAC his priority is a unified Jerusalem, I would probably rise up in protest against the United States… oh, wait a minute, that’s what happened…
Didn’t Bush make the same mistake?
and if you were an enemy of the usa, you’d be delighted that we might be dumb enough to elect another fool.
Hey guys! What did you think about Bill Clinton and Senator Obama patching things up on the telephone today? Clinton is now 100% behind Obama, just like his wife Hillary. It was in all the papers.
Uh Yeah, he’s 100% behind that coke addict Obama…and wait…why does your scumbag Messiah need Clinton anyway? According to you, Bill(BIG DAWG) is a racist and the worst president since…BUSH. You lying, disgusting, racist, hypocritical piece of crap. You need Bill and us, SUCK ON THAT! YOU PUSSYFART!
and if you believe thatg crap, then go buy a lot of toilet paper, dummy.
Yeah, and that news release came from the Obama camp. Like we believe anything that liar says.
The chairman of Hillary Clinton’s unsuccessful presidential bid, Terry McAuliffe, said Sunday the former president was angered by media reports suggesting he did not plan to actively support Obama in the general election.
“He was angry that these ridiculous stories were out here, and these supposed close friends of the president — none of the close friends ever got called,” McAuliffe said, referring to anonymous sources quoted in some stories. “What happens, a lot of the time, is people like to pretend they’re close so they can tell the reporters that they’re close, but, you know, they’re just talking.”
McAuliffe said he spoke to Bill Clinton on Sunday morning. The former president recently returned from a trip to Europe.
Is it too soon to start impeachment proceedings?
tampongirl, I didn’t realize Terry McAuliffe was with the Obama campaign now?
Oh, now you’ve gone and hurt my feelings….Not!!! Grow up twit!
I’m sure Bill will do some campaigning for Hillary’s sake However, Bill was the president and he doesn’t have to do squat didly for that lying, vote stilling presumptive nominee.
isn’t there a saying… better to deal with the enemy u know than the enemy you don’t know.
mccain is the lesser of the two evils unfortunately.
with obama, there is just too much uncertainty and unknown.
It doesn’t matter to me what Hilary or Bill do. This is NOT about them.
It’s my vote and I can do what the hell I want with it. And I won’t be voting for Obama.
Sorry, but Obama will have to:
WIN WITHOUT ME!!!!
Craig:
I’m enjoying [don't think that's quite the right word] your series. Look forward to the updates. Our choices are wretchedly slim.
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Larry, Obama said in his speech yesterday:
“One of my earliest memories is of sitting on my grandfather’s shoulders and watching the astronauts come to shore in Hawaii.”
The astronauts arrived aboard the USS Hornet in July 1969. Obama claims he moved to Indonesia at the age of 6 and returned to live with his grandparents in 1971. Unless Obama was spending summers with his grandparents there is no way he could have seen the USS Hornet arrive in Hawaii.
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