When Will MoveOn Get a Clue?
By SusanUnPC on June 30, 2008 at 6:44 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, MoveOn.org
Barack Obama is NO friend to MoveOn. What has Barack Obama ever DONE for MoveOn? Why does MoveOn still put Obama’s photo on its home page and pander to him?
Obama attacked MoveOn head-on in his speech today for its ads criticizing General Petreaus in September 2007:
All too often our politics still seems trapped in these old, threadbare arguments – a fact most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal.
Last September, when Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) attached an amendment to a defense bill that condemned MoveOn’s ad, guess who stood up for MoveOn’s right to free speech (albeit ill-advised): It was Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted against Sen Cornyn’s amendment. And now guess who hid out — even though he was in the building — to avoid voting to support MoveOn’s right to free speech:
- “Obama walks on anti-MoveOn.org Senate vote,” The Swamp blog, Baltimore Sun, September 20, 2007
- “MoveOn Vote: Clinton a “No,” Obama a No-Show,” The Huffington Post, September 20, 2007
- “Clinton Sides With MoveOn.org in Senate Vote, Obama Ducks,” Newsvine, September 21, 2007
- Talking Points Memo story: “[Hillary Clinton] stood her ground and voted No. … Barack Obama missed today’s vote on MoveOn — even though he’d been present in the Senate earlier to vote on the Boxer measure.”
Last September, when it mattered that he take a stand for MoveOn’s right to speech (even though it was a strategic blunder), Barack Obama was a “no show” in supporting MoveOn. Today, Barack Obama went out of his way to condemn MoveOn’s ad last September.
What fairy tale world do these MoveOn lefties live in that they can’t see that Barack Obama doesn’t care about them or their rights — even though he’s happy to scarf up all the money they’ll throw at him?
The obvious answer is that these MoveOn folks won’t be getting a clue any time soon.
MoveOn will keep parading photos of Obama on its home page.
MoveOn will continue its silly campaign to make Fox News end its racist attacks — playing RIGHT INTO Obama’s playbook to turn any criticism of him into a racist attack, thereby trying to silence his critics through shame and white guilt.
MoveOn will never acknowledge the political courage that Hillary Clinton showed in voting against Cornyn’s condemnation, even though MoveOn’s ad was idiotic and took the focus away from Petreaus’s defense of the Iraq War and made the general a sympathetic figure.
MoveOn has even disbanded its 527 because it actually believes Obama’s baloney about discouraging 527 ads. A New York Times blog explains that this is really just a shell game:
The liberal group, MoveOn.org, recently closed its dormant 527 but is hoping to raise some $40 million for the general election through its political action committee, which can accept donations of up to $5,000.
It recently teamed up with the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees to spend more than $500,000 on an anti-McCain commercial that aired nationally on cable and in Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.
Fund for America’s filings with the Internal Revenue Service, which only covered up to March 31, 2008, showed George Soros, the financier who has been a major donor to such organizations on the left, contributed $2.5 million to the organization, as did Stephen Bing, another major donor for Democratic causes.
There is a fool born every minute, and a good percentage of them unthinkingly give money to MoveOn — which in turn gives it to the candidate who didn’t stand up for them and who today spurned them because he found it advantageous politically to do so.
The one candidate who “stood up” for MoveOn got dirt kicked in her face by MoveOn and the left.
Go figure.
MoveOn, your chosen “One” will always have his hand extended to you. But only to take your money.
If you only knew how foolish you look.
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Move on is a george Soros project. They will never abandon Barky. Barky is a fraud fraud fraud! He can do whatever he likes and Move on will lick where the sun don’t shine. Barky is a fraud!
Worse, BO is a coward. He was present, but did not vote either way.
He had practice with that in the Illinois senate.
It’s not just MoveOn. Look at Bill Moyers’ program on PBS. For all the time he’s spent whining about the Iraq War, he hasn’t done one segment on Obama’s connections to the former Iraqi minister of electricity who absconded hundreds of millions of dollars and was then busted out of jail by Blackwater. In fact, Rezko’s two closest associates are Iraqi exiles who have profited off of Bush Admin. policies in that country, and even Rezko had a contract to build a $150 million power plant in Iraqi Kurdistan at one point. (Click on my screen name for more on this.)
I just put a comment on Moyers blog. Hope other NoQuarter readers will do likewise. He recently interviewed Sen. Boxer on climate change and I noted there that Boxer has remained painfully silent while Sen. Clinton has been driven out of the race. She sits on the Senate Commerce Committee, which we’re asking to investigate FCC and anti-trust violations by media conglomerates. For more on that campaign, here’s a link.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html
Obama’s Iraqi/Rezko connection, see
How much did Soros pay the NYT to throw HRC under the bus?
Within a week of their Clinton endorsement, they started announcing her demise weekly, whether she won or lost.
This is from LaRouche PAC
the article is a good read but the picture is even better!
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/06/03/soros-bankrolling-moveon-last-gasp-move-steal-nomination-oba.html
PERHAPS WE ARE SEEING THE REAL OCTOPUS???????
http://www.constitution.org/col/octocaso.htm
do read the book if you haven’t already..
fly
George Soros owns Obama. George Soros is the main sponsor of Move On.Org, Daily Kos.com, and Blue America. The question should be, what is Soros going to get for his Money. I wish someone would investigate all those small donations that come from MoveOn.org. I wonder if any of the donors are dead……
MoveOn is a conspiracy set up by Soros, the DNC, Pelosi, Dean and possibly the Rand Corporation. Won;t somebody please think of the children? It’s up to us I guess.
BO is using MoveOn, just like he’s using everyone else. He’s an opportunist.
And as Tomasky points out, never let your values cost you the election…..
MoveOn should pack up and move out but they won’t. They have sold their soul to the smelly one and Fat Cat donors who are lining their pockets.
Obama will toss MoveOn under the crowded bus before it’s all over. Cause he is a LIAR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFRNxsW9so
Or perhaps it is you who looks foolish as you drift further and further from the shores of Reality, the world where most of us live, in which progressives, liberals and Democrats of all stripes are coming together to work to elect the liberal, progressive Democrat in the race — Barack Obama — and defeat the conservative, reactionary, militaristic, retrograde Republican in the race, John McCain.
Yes, in a time of unprecedented peril, we are all interested in electing such a a man to lead the nation, an individual who has a history of ducking controversial votes during his short, non-glorious record as a State Senator and MIA(too busy running for POTUS)brief career as a putative U.S. Senator.
Not to mention, he has an illustrious history of drug use.
oo wait! Oh right, you said Barack Obama. LOL from the way you were going on there I thought you were talking about Hillary. But since she isn’t running and of course BOBO is, we feel compelled to use the option of divided government to protect ourselves and our nation from the excesses of the fringe left. McCain is an honorable man and the right fringe doesn’t like him any better then you left fringers do. So he’s about the closest thing we are going to get to the political center of the country in this election year.
Obama’s on the fringe left? From reading other threads on NQ, I thought he was a Reagan-worshipping, sold-out corporatist!
The commies and the fascists both killed free speech, free association, gave everyone the “paypahs” and demanded loyalty to the party and the leader. Same behavior: one fringe right, one fringe left. I can see how that might confuse one such as yourself who is so easily confused. LOL you are a BOBOweenie after all.
There’s no confusion – Soros helped him use the left to ‘win’ the Democratic nomination (because Clinton held the centre) and now for the GE they are appealing to right (Plan B, should Clinton’s supporters not come round) – hence the flip flops.
This strategy can only work if the msm are in bed with them and if they can control the blogs. We’ve seen the msm bias, the recent ’spamming’ of many anti-obama blogs, and even here – the presence of the likes of you to misinform, distract, sow doubts etc.
That’s why sites like this and people like Larry and Susan are heroes!
Everybody here knows this. You’re just wasting your time.
Sorry, WildChild, I meant to reply to sfhillary.
Did you have a nice visit here?
I always do. NQ is compelling blog theater.
especially since you have come to play the clown.
Can you get a hold of Obama’s Harvard’s grades?
They seem to be a secret.
We have to wait until they show up on the Daily KOS and get photoshopped, these things take time.
Funny
You!…Off my planet!
Stop the liberal, right crap. We are way beyond that. If Soros didn’t have another agenda, he could just start gifting 12,000 annually to the impoverished. (That’s the limit before they have to pay taxes.) Wake up from YOUR delusion. STFU!
Huh?
Was it “STFU” that got you or the tax code?
There’s a liberal, progressive Democrat running for President? Who’s that? I see a (by the standards of the modern Republican party) moderate-to-conservative Republican and an all-over-the-map depending on who he’s talking to at the moment opportunist / Democrat. Maybe you mean Nader? Or McKinney?
Great come-back! ;.))))
In your dreams — sweetie from SF — it is you Obamabots who are living in an alternative reality.
You are being used by chauvinist pig Obama. He ONLY cares about Obama. He is a passive aggressive USER.
You mean the “liberal, progressive” who does not want to fight for true Universal Health Care and just agreed with the Supreme Court stance on citizen surveillance for the sake of “security.”
Sounds a lot more like “W” to me.
Republicans are the true progressives, conservatives care more about individual rights.
The Boumediene v. Bush decision by the Supreme Court granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle (superior to any rights they would have under the Geneva Conventions) was written for the majority by a Republican, Anthony Kennedy, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Kennedy was also the author of the Supreme Court decisions in Romer v. Evans, invalidating a provision in the Colorado Constitution denying homosexuals the right to bring local discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, which invalidated criminal prohibitions against homosexual sodomy.
In 1992, Kennedy joined Justice Sandra Day O’Connor’s controlling plurality opinion in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which re-affirmed the Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the right to abortion under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Roe v. Wade itself was authored for the majority by another Republican, Harry Blackmun, who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon.
Sandra Day O’Conner, the first female ever on the Supreme Court was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Brown v. Board of Education, which banned the segregation of public schools, Gideon v. Wainwright, which held that the Sixth Amendment required that indigent non-capital criminal defendants receive publicly-funded counsel, and Miranda v. Arizona, which required that certain rights of a person being interrogated while in police custody be clearly explained, including the right to an attorney were all authored by Earl Warren, another Republican who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Dwight Eisenhower.
It was Eisenhower who sent national guard troops to Little Rock to protect black children going to school. It was the Democrat George Wallace who tried to keep blacks out of the Univ. of Alabama a full decade after the Brown decision.
Christine,
Thanks for the reminder. It’s so easy to forget history, you know? This is a great post. In fact, I’ll give you credit by copying and pasting it on the Hillary Clinton Forum. A lot of folks over there plan to vote for McCain and would like to have this information.
Can you ask Hillary who is the best person to hire for the job of commander-in-chief now? Obama or McCain.
Let us know Okay? And that’s who we’ll vote for..teh heh
Thank you Christine..it is good to educate the trolls and the young Obamabrats…I have some nasty words I could use on these ignuts when they bring up Roe V Wade…as if they were the ones who fought for those rights…and protested for those rights and hahaha..marched for those rights…hell they couldn’t even protest in numbers against this war….but Instead I slap them down with one word.. PUMA!!
THANKS ..fly
Yes, Americans would be wise to elect Obama, the best friend slum lords could have, so that he could leave Americans out in the cold, just like he did with his constituents.
Your “Reality” is warped. I suggest you do something about it. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid is a good first step.
No spine.
Tossed General Clark under the bus today.
the kos kids and Matt Stoller even Arianna Huffington are pissed at Obama now. Kos and Stoller really pissed about Obama throwing Clark overboard.
Pissed enough to stop shilling for him? I somehow doubt it. What will it take for them to see this guy as the fraud he is? There’s more than enough proof already out here! Sheesh.
well general clark was asked to sacrifice for his party and he did. wes, we hardly knew you. i supported you in 04 but you didn’t support me in 08 now that hillary is gone. i hope clark has the good sense to stay away from these thugs now.
Clark is smarter than we think, he just got himself out of months of mindless campaigning for the annointed one.
Yeah way to go Wes
Obama the Snake speaks with a forked tounge!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yixPgq1Mh2A&NR=1
People are catching on.
Moveon has bet on 2 bad donkeys, Dean and Obama. Their record pretty much stands for itself. They have to fight hard for OB. If he isn’t POTUS, they won’t be around in 2012.
If you really listen to Obama, you would realize he flip-flops, and would say ANYTHING to get elected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh4HI1KeBHw
His whole campaign is illusion!
Wake up America!
Obama has no shame. His lies are boundless.
This Stranger hides the dogma he practiced for 20 years. After stating he Downloaded every TUCC podcast, he publiclly denied ever hearing Rev. Wright.
Which is it Mr. Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrM_oETnxrg
Fo those who didn’t click the links, this is from the HuffPo article cited above:
“The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements,” the senator said in a statement e-mailed to the Huffington Post. “This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. … By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics.”
That is pretty clear to me, but I don’t expect that opinion to be shared by many others here.
By not holding a single senate subcommittee meeting on Afganistan what was he showing?
“Not casting the vote” is the point!
The jello like tenacity of his BOBOish magnificence.
My reply seems to have been lost, I’ll redo briefly.
Obama is chair of Subcommittee on European Affairs. Afghanistan is in Asia. Good try though.
Fool.. NATO is in Afghanistan, helping us out. Guess you missed that little point at the meeting.
I guess you missed Joe Biden on MTP last week whn he debunked thst one too. He said he, the committee chair, is responsible for that. But, what does he know, right?
In January 2004, NATO appointed Minister Hikmet Cetin, of Turkey, to the post of Senior Civilian Representative (SCR) in Afghanistan. Minister Cetin is responsible for advancing the political-military aspects of the Alliance’s engagement in Afghanistan and receives his guidance from the NAC. The work carried out by the SCR is crucial to the success of NATO’s mission of assisting the Afghan Transitional Government in fulfilling the Bonn Agreement commitments. He works in close co-ordination with the Commander of ISAF (COMISAF) and the UNAMA as well as with the Afghan authorities and other bodies of the International Community present in the country.
His name is Ted. And someday… he’ll be dead yo yo. He wants to be a cowboy…
Whooohoo! Way to go HARP!
By the way, Ted, who but a dyed in the wool obot would think ducking out on a controversial vote makes a politician look bold and decisive? Obama is a double-dealing candy-ass, who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
Hillary was the one who took a stand.
Wrong. Oversight for NATO falls within the responsibilities of the Subcommittee on European Affairs. NATO has an important military role in Afghanistan.
“Senate Foreign Relations Committee (section on Subcommittee on European Affairs): The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe… and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe….”
The Subcommittee on European Affairs is responsible for United States relations with the countries on the continent of Europe, except the states of Central Asia that are within the jurisdiction of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs. It also oversees U.S. involvement with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, relations with the European Union, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.
This subcommittee is also responsible for all matters within the region under its jurisdiction with respect to terrorism and non-proliferation, crime and illicit narcotics, U.S. foreign assistance programs, and the promotion of U.S. trade and exports.
“SEN. BIDEN: That’s all old thinking, why we’re in trouble. First of all, the reason Obama didn’t hold a hearing on NATO, I chair the committee. Every one of those committee hearings are held at full committee, number one.”
I’ll post link in a second. Last time it ate my comment with a link…
It ate the link again. Go to 4th page of interview transcript on MSNBC site, June 22 MTP interview with Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham.
Ah, so Joe is taking the heat for your beloved BOBO’s wimpish inability to hold sub committee meetings. Chivalry is not dead.
Trying his best to get that VP slot, I see. First Sinclair, now this. Joe’s a busy guy!
Obama’s subcommittee on European Affairs includes our alliance with Europe called NATO. Ever hear of NATO? Or don’t they teach about that in high school any more? NATO troops are fighting in Afghanistan.
Why do we have to be teaching history to you? You are supposed to be so much more educated than we are.
see above comment by Joe Biden, Chair of the Committee.
What’s the point of having a sub committee if it can’t hold meetings Ted?
Also, when Obama was asked about this, why no meetings of this committee, he said it was because he was so busy on the campaign trail. Why would he say that if what Biden is now supposedly saying was true?
Here is a quote from an Obama official back in March of this year on the subject:
When pushed more, Craig relented: “The record is what it is. He didn’t become chairman of that subcommittee until January of 2007. The fact is that he made his announcement for president of the U.S. in February of 2007. So, he had other things on his mind.
OK, so it was not Obama, but someone else who said it. Maybe, just maybe, Craig was not up on the protocol for NATO meetings in the Senate. Or maybe Joe Biden is lying about an easily verified fact. Could be either.
The point of course is that BOBO was entrusted with the chairmanship of a Senate subcommittee and never held a meeting. It’s a travesty that BOBO didn’t do his job and now everyone is having to cover for him. BOBO could have easily stepped down from the chairman seat after announcing his P-candidacy… but for his gargantuan ego.
someone needs to break it to barfy that visiting foreign capitals is more than photos, speaking from a teleprompters and letting michelle preen. it is called foreign diplomacy and you have to show up for the meeting, barfy.
Here is how Obama responded last night: “I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So, it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan. I have been very clear in talking to the American people about what I would do with respect to Afghanistan. I think we have to have more troops there to bolster the NATO effort.”
http://tinyurl.com/yocyhg
This is from the debate. Hillary confronted him and he had to admit he was too busy running for President to hold hearings.
“OK, so it was not Obama, but someone else who said it. Maybe, just maybe, Craig was not up on the protocol for NATO meetings in the Senate.”
Ted.
Nice try Teddy. From the MSNBC debate transcrpts:
CLINTON: And I believe this is in the best interest. But I also have heard Senator Obama refer continually to Afghanistan, and he references being on the Foreign Relations Committee.
He chairs the subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.
You have to look at the entire situation to try to figure out how we can stabilize Afghanistan and begin to put more in there to try to get some kind of success out of it. And you have to…
RUSSERT: All right. Let me…
CLINTON: … work with the Iraqi government so that they take responsibility for their own future.
RUSSERT: Senator Obama, I want you to respond to not holding oversight for your subcommittee. But also, do you reserve a right as American president to go back into Iraq once you have withdrawn with sizable troops in order to quell any kind of insurrection or civil war?
OBAMA: Well, first of all, I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So, it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.
The ellisions are in the orignal. Obama went on (in his typical blabber-mouth, run-on way), but at no time did he mention the late-in-the-day, Biden-concocted, jurisdictional excuse for not holding hearings.
Obama was asked point-blanc by Clinton why he didn’t hold hearings on Afghanistan in the sub-committee he chaired and HIS, Obama’s (not someone else’s) answer was that he was too busy running for president.
ted you are blowing freaking smoke ..but not up anyone’s ass here…dear little one..google is your friend..there are many more articles about this..do us all a favor..don’t come here with your bullshit..
Biden is full of horse hockey..here is comments from McCain about Barkey not holding hearings..expect to see a lot more of this!!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McCain_hits_Obama_for_not_holding_hearings.html
May 28, 2008
Categories: McCain
McCain hits Obama for not holding hearings
McCain, holding a town hall meeting in that big little city, Reno, Nev., opens his remarks today with what will surely be a recurring talk point against Obama but one that I’ve not heard the candidate himself use much:
Senator Obama is the chairman of an important subcommittee that has the oversight of what’s going on in Afghanistan. He has not held one single hearing on Afghanistan where young Americans are in harm’s way as we speak. My friends, this is about leadership.
Actually, Obama’s Foreign Relations subcommittee on European Affairs does not have jurisdiction over Afghanistan (that would be the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs). But Obama still could have held hearings as it related to, say, the role of NATO in Afghanistan.
Whether the attack it’s fine-tuned or not, that Obama did not hold a single hearing from his subcommittee perch is sure to be used by the GOP as a he’s-all-talk talking point.
The question was why did he not have a meeting on Afghanistan. I cleared that up by pointing out the geography involved. Then NATO was brought up, and I quoted the Committee chair, who said he chairs the NATO meetings in full committee. Now it’s “Joe Biden is lying”. Maybe he is. I’m just reporting the facts as I know them.
Perhaps someone can dig up the history of Senate committee meetings on NATO and see if Biden is lying. That’s beyond my ability.
You’re making excuses for your beloved BOBO because he’s your beloved BOBO.
Some people make substantive comments here. You, on the other hand, are like a little kid on a playground. Have you no pride in yourself?
Ha Ha Ha Ha I figured you’d dodge the issue.
He didn’t hold hearings because he was too busy running for President. That’s what HE said. See my response above in HIS own words.
Yes, can’t comment above, nested too deep. Above I was replying to the comment that quoted Craig. Given what was said in the debate, it does look bad for Obama on this.
It would be interesting to see how many hearings were held by the subcommittee in the past on NATO, but I concede this point to you. Good job working with the facts.
Just so Biden doesn’t get tainted in this whole mess, I did search and there were two FRC meetings this year concerning NATO. That doesn’t let Obama of the hook for not holding any meetings (which would have been a better way to word the original complaint), but Biden was not lying when e said the NATO meetings were in front of the full committee. (March 11 and 17 were dates I think. For some reason I can’t post links these days.)
(1) Barky held no hearings whatsoever, about Afganistan, NATO or anything else. Surely his sub-committe has jurisdiction over something.
(2)”Now it’s “Joe Biden is lying”. Maybe he is. I’m just reporting the facts as I know them. Perhaps someone can dig up the history of Senate committee meetings on NATO and see if Biden is lying. That’s beyond my ability.”
Completely false and burden-shifting. YOU presented Biden’s remarks. YOU are relying on them to excuse Barky from not holding hearings about Afghanistan. It is therefor incumbent on YOU to prove that they are accurate, not on anyone else to prove that they are inaccurate.
In addition, Biden has signed on to Barky’s campaign. Barky has made noise about appointing Biden to a high Cabinet position. Morever, Biden is a Democratic Senator who, in the normal course of things, would be expected to “go to bat” for the party’s presidential nominee. He is a hardly an impartial observer.
And, in any event, you are not merely “reporting the facts.” You are a not a reporter. You don’t have even a facade of neutrality. You are presenting the Obama-campaing spin on this, and on every other, issue. Your disingenuity with regard to this statement is astounding!
Ted Ted Ted..please..the bullshit pouring out of you is really beneath anyone here …stop please..you are a disgrace…
Clinton camps highlights Obama’s chairmanship
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign Wednesday pounced on Sen. Barack Obama’s acknowledgment that he has yet to hold a substantive hearing since becoming chairman of a Senate subcommittee on Europe.
The admission during Tuesday night’s Democratic debate offered a “glimpse of the real Barack Obama,” and was emblematic of the Illinois senator’s light record of results, the Clinton camp said in an e-mail.
Obama “did not hold a single oversight hearing because he was too busy running for president; the Barack Obama who spends his time talking about change you can believe in instead of change you actually can count on,” the e-mail stated.
Clinton herself raised the issue at the debate in Cleveland.
‘”He chairs the subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan,” she said. “He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.”
In response, Obama noted he has only served as the committee’s chairman since January of 2007, just when his presidential campaign was beginning — a fact the Clinton campaign’s memo also highlighted.
“But by his own admission, he was too busy running for president to conduct a single substantive hearing of the committee he chairs,” the memo stated. “So he would rather talk about what he would do rather than do it through the responsibility he had.”
For the record, Obama has held two hearings on ambassadorial nominations, but no oversight hearings.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/clinton... /
please Ted stop..just stop the bullcrap…take your smoke and go blow it up asses that don’t know better!!
fly
voting present? naw, how about push the wrong button? you think? ok, third and final! everyone is racist who criticizes me. now that’s the ticket.
Ok, here’s something wildly funny that I heard today. John Kerry’s Democratic opponent here in MA, Ed O’Reilly, got 23% of delegate votes at MA convention. And, would have had more, except, some delegates voted – PRESENT! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Down with Obama and his legislative supporters are going down the toilet with him.
If the empty suit can’t take a stand as a Senator, he’s unqualified to be POTUS.
And back to Kerry, 51% in MA think it’s time for a change! Kerry is being attacked for his vote authorizing the Iraq War. Payback is a b&^%$!! LOL!! When Kerry endorsed Obambi, I promised him I would help unseat him, and it is my great pleasure to do just that!!
Hillary or McCain ‘08!
Ted, did you figure out how to create that link to the OB site “community blog” or did you just move on to something else?
Yeah, I figuree it out. Guess what. They ain’t there. Thanks for asking, and for staying on topic.
The great seal.
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/index.html
The seal on OBAMA`S site. ( click to enlarge )
http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg
Why is the eagle flying away as if in retreat?
Why does the eagle drop the olive branch?
BOBO is sayin that you can kiss his ass before he’s going to eat any of dem olives.
LOL! Isn’t it funny how often he “registers his protest” by not showing up to actually vote?! It’s the most preposterous thing I’ve ever heard. Guess what? When you’re president you don’t get to “pass” on tough decisions. He has no idea what he is in for.
Well, I’ll oblige Mr. Obama and not vote for him in protest of empty suit politicians.
What drivel. He makes a stand but, erm, not making a stand. Sheesh.
“By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics.”
Barky
“That is pretty clear to me, but I don’t expect that opinion to be shared by many others here.”
Ted
What’s “clear” Ted, that by not having the guts to go on record and actually vote AGAINST something that he called “empty politics,” Barky should somehow be awared a “Profiles in Courage” award? The antiwar organization, however stupid its ad, was being,unfairly singled out for official, governmental sanction in the Senate. As a Senator, one MIGHT have thought that the BEST way for Barky to register his disapproval of this example of “empty politics” would have been to, you know, actually vote AGAINST the measure. By not voting at all, Mr. Yes and No could have it, once again, both ways. See, I condemned the measure ex-cathedra, and will be happy to take the support of the organization under attack during the primaries, but, by not actually voting against the measure I leave myself free after the primaries to condemn the organization and its ad.
“Clear” Ted? Yeah, it’s as clear as mud. Hillary did the “clear” thing. She voted against the measure. Why couldn’t Barky? I’ll tell you why, Teddy, because he is gutless wonder, a “trimmer” of the first water, a “mugwump,” an opportunitst, a back-stabber and a liar. Is that “clear” enough for you?
There was a wink and a nod somewhere in there between Obama and MoveOn. Obama once told voters “you all know the okie-dokie. When somebody is trying to bamboozle you, when they are trying to hoodwink you”. After listening to his speech, a lot of people went “okie dokie”
Obama VOTED AGAINST a bill that criticized MoveOn’s attack of General Petraeus. The bill’s purpose was “to express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces.” He opposed it.
senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344
Obama thought he was Mark Twain today while making his speech…just words…and not his own yet again…
I stopped listening to his speeches a loooong time ago. They are so vapid and predictable. It sounds like he practiced channeling JFK et. al. in front of the mirror. There’s no soul or conviction to the words.
Barky never has anything original to say..
Can someone ask Hillary a question?
Can you ask Hillary who is the best person to hire for the job of commander-in-chief now? Obama or McCain.
Let us know Okay?
MoveOn has proven themselves over and over to be a group of drooling nitwits. Why ask reason of them now? And why would anyone believe that a group whose sole reason for existence is to bully and malign would really give up a 527 program. They will fund one and they will continue their dirty work. They’re slime. And they’re stupid. It’s really that simple.
Yep, those damn civil liberties. We would be in sucvh a better place if we could just get rid of them.
Thank you Ted you made the point of the entire piece.
money has that affect on some people ie drooling idiots!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the MoveOn condemnation was staged and that Eli is fully aware of what Obama is doing. Otherwise I expect them to put out a press release condemning Barky.
I think it could have been…it stopped press from saying Obama has no war record at all after Clark put down McCain’s…they always have a way of turning the press to something to keep it off of Obama’s non record of accomplishments.
face it the dems are trying so hard to be republicans and failing. i just watched part of hannity and colmes. the dem pundit was nearly shouting “outrageous” and the repubs weren’t even shouting anymore. they just smirked at him. now i just wonder why the repubs are smirking. oh that’s right, the dems are imploding.
Obama is Bush the 3rd term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTvpE6dFZw
Bush & Obama = Bookends!
MoveOn did get an abstention from Obama on a Senate vote against its ridiculous tactics, but Soros’s little band of moonbats squeak silly simple-minded slogans to grown-ups on both sides of the Repub/Dem divide.
But at the end of the day, I think Obama will accept a sub rosa level of support from the crazy Marxists on that thread.
Too bad Obama is reneging on his pledge for a new politics.
Maybe it’s time to administer some tough love to our rank in file brethren who are now dazed and confused following the likes of Move On, DK, and other sites.
Reading their plaintive wailing over “the one” turning his back on “their dreams” it’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for the little turds.
Being kicked in the teeth by “your” candidate hurts like hell. We’ve all been there. But this is the Obots first time around the block.
Seriously, do we reach out and guide them back to the enlightened path, making sure they have learned their lesson, or do we just say fuck ‘em?
Okay, if I say “f**k ‘em” is that gonna be the wrong answer? Cause I really like that option a whole lot.
Really, they are all old enough to figure it out for themselves. If they can’t, well then
the option I selected above still holds.
I guess we could it up for a vote? I can go either way.
it works for me.
OT: Sounds like someone’s afraid of the PUMAs!
“The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire or chain link, authorities revealed in U.S. District Court today.
That may allow protestors to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention.
But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protestors and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.”
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092
They should be more afraid of the crazed Obots.
Darn, I’m going to have to hang my sleeping bag on that fence. Then figure out how to get in and out of it daily. I hope that fence is secure. I would hate to see a lawsuit.
So many people Hillary stood up for or helped in the past stabbed her in the back. MoveOn was just one group. There were so many I don’t know how she can stand to be in the Democratic party anymore. If I were her and Bill, I could never be so forgiving.
Moveon.org becomes political machine of Obama. I lost respect to this people. Money becomes too powerful to ignore just like his messiah did when he turned down public funding.
you think? memories are long.
Hang on, I can’t keep straight whether Obama is a far-left hippie dragging the Democratic party away from the values of hard-working white Americans or a middle of the road corporate shill betraying the progressive movement.
Can someone please clarify?
Obama flip flops so much it IS hard to tell!
Seems to me it ain’t Obama doing the flip-flopping, BluDawg!
how in the fuck can a grown man make a comment like that?
jeezuz, Mark, talk about stupid!
He’s a political hermaphrodite; he has both progressive and moderate organs.
Ohhh, love the metaphor political hermaphrodite. Probably don’t want to insult any by comparing them to BO.
My bad.
Hmmm, let’s see.
then, against FISA(liberal), now for Fisa(not so much).
then, against NAFTA(liberal) now for free market(not so much).
then, keep public financing(liberal), now op-out(not so much).
So I guess you will have to pick the label you like . Not that it matters. He can be a liberal or a fraud, you would’ve still support him.
John McCain uses Swiftboater Bud Day to attack Wesley Clark:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/30/john-mccain-uses-swiftboater-bud-day-to-attack-wesley-clark/#comments
so he shouldn’t fight fire with fire? oh, he should be sweet and forgiving while the obamabots and dnc surrogates try to drop in the gutter. i don’t think so. it is just getting started. sullivan even said he is leaning right today. there you go, they are all marching home to the republican brand. no votes for barfy!
Obama Spits on Women Voters (…Again)
Obama’s facts don’t match his rhetoric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdiLfelwT6I
The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire or chain link, authorities revealed in U.S. District Court today.
That may allow protestors to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention.
But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protestors and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092
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to get a nice dossier on several of them for blackmail use. We especially enjoyed destroying Eliot Spitzer and getting Dodd and Edwards to endorse our candidate Mr. Obama. Although we didn’t get any blackmail info on Senator Clinton, we were able to make things up as we went along.
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I think ten or fifteen people should follow Axelrod around and make his life living hell by taking photos of him and asking rude questions and shouting him down when he tries to speak to other people, and getting themselves in the local papers where they can spread whatever they feel like saying about him… I think that would be a fun summer project for some folks. I think Axelrod needs a dose of his own medicine.
Amazing they keep Spitzer there. As if to say, we can get any corrupt a-hole elected.
Obamba is not using Move On. They are using him. He is just a tool for George Soros. George wants McCain to be president that’s why they used Obamba to get Hillary out of the race. Look up George Soros contributions. He contributes to all Democrats and John McCain. Do you get it now!
Actually I think he is hedging his bets. No matter who gets elected Soros gets what he wants. Obviously, Hillary couldn’t be bought or some other motive But this was an obviously smash Hillary and Move On has been been degrading the Clinton’s for years.
I am sorry I needed to post this in a new thread.
the thread that made sense for this was kinda old sorry for hi-jacking
I know this sounds very strange (or paranoid) I have lost all my Google Adsense accounts about the first time I started posting on this site. about a couple of weeks ago. I own 14 sites and I have not made changes for months.
I was making about 100 a month on all my websites.(If you own websites you will know what I am talking about.) I don’t check it every day so I just checked it. (It is disabled with no info given) and they will not tell me, be careful if you have Adsense.
If this has happened to you please let me know
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Dave
Wow, MoveOn.org members are such idiots…I bet they’re trying hard to feel chastened by the One.
If no one has I would like to nominate this video for video of the day…also I would like to dedicate it to Obama and the democratic party….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLK4U7cG-q4
The relationship between MoveOn and Obama highlights the problems with both the organization and the man. I guess, at some level, they deserve each other.
MoveOn created a ridiculous ad, featuring an un-funny, obvious-to-a-third-grader pun about a general’s name, which completely undercuts whatever substantive point they (presumably) intended to make about the success of the general’s strategy and the accuracy of his report to Congress. A reactionary Senator does them one better, and, out of all the stupid things that are said by all the stupid organizations and people (liberal and conservative) in all the world, chooses to single out for official condemnation this one stupid statement by this one stupid organization. Seeing the unfairness and partisanship of this choice for condemnation, Hillary rides to the rescue of MoveOn and votes against it. Barky, meanwhile, was either too busy working on his third “autobiography,” had lost his papers in his absent-minded “professor” way, or forgot that he couldn’t vote “present” in the US Senate as he did in the Illinois Senate, and didn’t vote at all, just like the gutless weasel that he is.
Nevertheless, come Presidential-primary time, this moronic organization, without bothering to consult its membership, threw its support behind Obama and gave Hillary the back of its hand.
Next, the brilliant strategists over at MoveOn decided to create an ad for Barky in the general election. The only problem is that, once again, they went so over the top with their crap about some Mom of an infant refusing to “give” her baby to John McCain for his “hundred year war,” that even Barky had to disown it and tell them to shut up. The ad was preposterous on its face, as the US armed forces are 100% volunteer and McCain’s statement about troops being in Iraq for 100 years is now universally acknowledged (again, even by Barky’s campaign) to have been a reference to peaceful duty (as in Japan and Germany), and not a “hundred year war.” As with General Petraeus, one can be against McCain’s policy, one can even disagree with it fundamentally, and yet still see the ridiculousness and counterproductiveness of this organization, which insists on framing the issues in the most objectionable way possible, on ad hominem attacks against present and former military men who many, if not most, Americans respect, and on playing fast and loose with the facts.
Barky, for his part, was proud to blow his own horn for his alleged superior “judgement” (as compared to Hillary) for his (mostly mythical and in any case completely inconsistent and feckless) opposition to the war in Iraq, just so long as the primary season lasted and it helped to paint himself as “purer” and better than Hillary when it came to the liberal, anti-war base of the party. Before the primaries, Barky wouldn’t risk a penny of his political capital defending hard-core anti-war activists like MoveOn when they were attacked in the Senate. And, now that the primaries are over, he likewise won’t risk a penny of his political capital by standing by them and their ad. But Barky was more than happy to take their support during the primaries, when it was to his advantage.
Barky is so slick, that it might pay to review his conduct in this matter just to see how sleazy he really is.
(1) MoveOn publishes “General Betray-Us” Ad–Texas Republican Senator attacks MoveOn in Senate. . . Barky neither defends MoveOn from overkill attack in Senate, nor does he criticize, or even distance himself, from stupid, libelous MoveOn ad.
(2) MoveOn (without consulting its membership) endorses Barky in primaries. Barky is happy to have their support, and, again, says nothing against their “General Betray-Us” ad.
(3) MoveOn creates ridiculous anti-McCain ad for general election. Barky disowns ad, and, months after the fact, disowns “General Betray-Us” ad as well, in transparent attempt to shift to “the center,” after having ridden the anti-war, “we-hate-Hillary-because-she-voted-for-AUMF” theme for all it was worth in the primaries.
MoveOn: wrong in “General Betray-Us” ad; wrong in backing Barky; and wrong in “you can’t have my baby” ad.
Barky: wrong in not condemning “Betray-Us” ad; wrong in not supporting MoveOn when it was under attack in the Senate; wrong in accepting support of MoveOn in the primaries when he (it now appears) does not approve of it methods; and wrong in condemning the “Bertray-Us” ad months too late and in obvious and shameless politically convenient way.
As I said, a worthless and self-defeating organization and spineless and opportunistic politician: a perfect match!
MoveOn was thrown under the bus!
And so are the hard-core anti-war activists who believed in him.
I’m not sure I feel sorry for them at all.
i will not give up my room and bed under the bus for those move on people. let them stand in the rain. that’s right! bring your own umbrellas too.
I agree that those ads were embarrassing and insulted our intelligence.
Is it possible to get a thread dedicated to reports of strange doings at Google. Google is one of the essentials. Would hate to have to stop using it. If there is already a site with this information no need, but would appreciate a link to it.
If Google is playing games it would not likely show up on google, would it?
Thank you
Sorry I did not know where to put this. but I do web work for a living and even I had some disbelief on the other thread. but I think this is strange. I have had this sites for about a year and I can give kind of proof anyone would like. but the only reason you can loose your adsense is by cheating (clicking your own ads etc)
I never received an e-mail I promiss.
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how do you start another thread or does Larry. I think there is something funny going on with Google!!
Love the site Moveon.org is a bunch of thugs who ran off with Hillary Clintons supporters money giving Barack a 1.7 million e-mail list There a big reason I am going to leave the Party.
Hey just an FYI, nothing really to do with MoveOn…I was just at Wikipedia looking up PUMA. It looks like Wiki is considering deleting the info for various reasons. They want additional citations, links, etc. Anyone out there who can prevent this?
If they delete PUMA they are deleting history..
When logic fails, the answer is in unseen information.
In this case, the most logical explanation is simple:
MONEY.
As a former MoveOn member, I have come to realize that the far left, like the far right are primarily comprised of arrogant, naive fools.
Of course they can’t admit that Obama has taken them for a ride, because then they would “lose face” — so they hold their blinders tight and tap dance around all of his lies and flip flops and hope that nobody notices.
Too late. We’ve noticed.
MoveOn Needs To Move The Hell ON!
MoveOn was founded in the year 1998. It is a political action committee boasting on its website (MoveOn.org) a membership of over three million. It is funded by individuals, mostly through Democratic financial donations. It claims on its homepage “that every member has a voice.”
On or about January 30, 2008, I received an e-mail from MoveOn announcing their call for an immediate intramural vote (among MoveOn members) to determine whom the organization was going to support in the forthcoming Super Tuesday election of February 4, 2008–as between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The MoveOn election would run for 24 hours.
On Super Tuesday, 22 states were to be decided by Democratic voters. The pre- Super Tuesday e-mail sent by MoveOn stated all members must promise not to vote twice. (Wink, Wink) Their e-mail stated that if one candidate received more than two thirds of MoveOn’s members’ vote, MoveOn would give its full support to that candidate.”
Soon after the so-called “vote” , MoveOn announced that Barack Obama had won the vote of its members and would be endorsed by MoveOn. Supposedly, 300,000 out of 3 million members of Moveon had voted in the trumped-up MoveOn election. MoveOn announced that it was immediately releasing its members all over the country to work for Barack Obama for the upcoming Super Tuesday election. They were also releasing MoveOn’s 1.7 million e-mail list to Obama.
Democrats across the country should be outraged. What about Hillary Clinton supporters, many of who had given thousands of dollars to the MoveOn organization? What about the individual rights of privacy of MoveOn members apart from their candidate preference? The organization should promote the Democratic Party, not divide it.
Real working Americans have given too much power, with their gifts of money, to the phony self-serving MoveOn leadership who has arbitrarily decided they will determine who will become the Democratic Nominee for President. In my view, all good Democrats should tell MoveOn, to move the hell on!
Bobby Dees
Thats when I unsubscribed to Moveon and told them that I understood them to be an organization to promote issues, not canididates and that I support Hillary Clinton and it was wrong for them to endorse a democratic candidate before the end of the primary.
Burky owes Moveon nothing. Soros just used Burky to push Clinton out. They really want McCain!!!!! Soros is the one who used Burky, so if he throws a jab its to be expected!!!!Its all about the ologarchy and the plutocracy, not the little people. Clinton must be dellutional to give a rats ass about invisable poor women!!!
What really pisses me off is that Soros isn’t even American and the piece of shit running our politics!!!
More OT…
I love when everywhere I go I see something about PUMA.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/06/30/puma-party-unity-my-a/
Just repeating a comment from another blog, but it does make sense. Although it was a harsh comment, General Clark did set out to trash John McCain. What his very calculated statement did was to get himself deliberately thrown under the bus and off Barks’s VP long, medium or short list. General Clark is very, very intelligent and has always been a good friend to, and supporter of both Clintons. I, personally, had hoped for a Clinton-Clark ticket. He for sure isn’t going to stab either of them in the back by campaigning for Barks and/or accepting the VP slot, even if it had been offered. By no stretch of the imagination is Clark anything like Barks. That Pretender to the Nomination will bite anybody and everybody who poses even the slightest threat to his coronation – as we’ve all seen for weeks if not months.
as a long time admirer of general clark i sure hope you are right. i so didn’t want him to be the veep candidate with obama.
CORRETION, CORRECTION. What I did not type in was the word “not.” That General Clark did not set out to trash McCain.
Moveon and the rest of the “nutroots” are only interested in seeing the demise of the Clintons.
Even though HRC came to defend them against that souless thug John Cornyn, they still went with the weak Obama who chose not to vote on the matter.
Soros does not want McCain, all he wants is the NWO.
he wants a 3rd world (World) where people have either poverty or ultra rich.
Some other people more than MoveOn need to get a clue. MoveOn are being orchestrated by Soros and the Pritzkers. Stop being so naive.
I am almost 40 years old. I know a lot of you people are a lot smarter and older than me, but I don’t know if we are going to win this war. (but I am willing to try.) They have the press and now they are all over the internet. and I have been a Con and I think I would have been a Hillary supporter. over McCain. but I think
it might be too late. I pray to God its not..
We have a lot of traitors in both parties…but to what end??
Dave
Fox is talking about Obama and Move on today and his not voting
Moveon betrayed Hillary annd 1000’s of its members when it decided to endorse Obambi. 1000’s of us dropped out and we will never support it ever again.
even worse they betrayed themselves, the american people, and their own families.
there is and will be a lot of room for new bloggers, blogs, pundits, and etc after the fiasco that is obama is over and done.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
HELLO to all PUMA members…please click on the link.. PUMA radio is up and running.
Another possibility regarding O’s tossing of MoveOn is the same scenario as his NAFTA message in Toronto, was it?
What if he just has a normal strategy meeting with the rest of the cabal and, like pro wrestlers, they create a scenario of “Toss MoveOn under the bus”, or like I’ve said before, more probably into the luggage compartment with Ayers, et. al. thus making O appear more centrist and drawing away fence sitters who don’t know PUMA.
Never underestimate their re-use of something that works.
I mean. after all, how many women really do faint at political rallies, anyway?
I have actually had some “first hand” experiences with Senator Clinton, Senator McCain, Move On and Gen Clark. My son enlisted before 911, served in Kosovo, and is now serving his 2nd tour in Iraq. I have my son’s back at all times, although I may not have always agreed with his choices, I support him, always. During his first tour in Iraq, I was in a state of total fear, every minute of every day,(not to say that isn’t something I feel now, I work on it). When the rash of beheadings, etc, Private Lynch abduction etc., I was terrified, and wrote and wrote and wrote. The people I wrote to were the ones I respected and thought would hear me, and for the most part I was right. Personal letters from the Senators, and the General, site support at Move on. Later I wrote late one night to Michael Moore, sharing a letter I had written to my son, there was also support there; publishing the letter. I was against the war, from onset, but have always been supportive of our soldiers, and always will be. I understand others may have had motives but never was this the experience I had from the senators and general. I finally had a moment when I could have been in contact with Move On, because of an experience I wrote about regarding having a private web site a long time ago, and the backlash I got over having it, I took a beating like no ones business, because of my letter being published by Michael Moore(this is when Patriot Act, Part 1 was introduced). I did no interviews, and refused to continue in a public way, for fear of my family, plain and simple.
The reason I am relating all of this is to remind, the tactics you see employed during this election, are not new, they have been going on for some time since 2000. Senator McCain was the first to be swift boated by GW, Cindy Sheehan was made into a pathetic figure by the media, it wasn’t cool to be against the war at that time, and she was used as well. I recall Move On was part of the “support”. It seems there problems with a focus on what we need as a whole to get our country back on it’s feet, but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to know, the billions of dollars being poured into the war, are what has cost us the most. Most people worry about a draft coming, with good reason.
Sentor Clinton and McCain, both worked their asses off over the last 7 years, yet they took the time to answer my worries, not in a form letter, but honest one on one help. Senator McCain became involved in trying to help with information regarding the death of a soldier in our unit. Senator Clinton, always consistent in her support and understanding.
Just put the Candidate to the “truth” test. Holding the truth as solid(as it does not change) vs. changing your opinion, A lie morphs, change of opinion has reasoning, not rhetoric. Obama has neither.
Amen on MoveOn. I dropped ‘em like the dirty turdie they turned out to be, the moment they jumped on the Obama bus–which they’ve now clearly been tossed UNDER just like everyone else.
Barack Obama cannot be trusted, by his friends, by his enemies, by anyone. He’s a coward, who folds at the slightest difficulty. Progressives who think his “hope” and “change” schtick are real, are going to be very disappointed when he turns out to be the FIRST ONE TO FOLD TO GOP PRESSURE EVERY TIME.
I just would like to see Michael Moore’s face with all these Obama stories. *heh
“Money doesn’t make the man!” Sorry George…you didn’t get a good return on this investment!!!!
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