Yet Another Connection…
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on July 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM in Barack Obama, Bush Faith-Based Programs, Civil Rights, Congressional Black Caucus, Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Donna Brazile, Equal Pay, GLBT, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Michelle Obama, Pandering, Religion, Rev. James Meeks, Sexism
Between Bush and Obama. This one is pretty shocking, I think. Well, it might be to Obamabots. Those of us still in the rational world aren’t really surprised by ANYTHING this guy will say or do, but still – this one is big. And, coincidentally, it also goes along with two other posts I had recently regarding Obama pursuing Evangelical Christians and his little spat with James Dobson.
Okay, Okay, I’ll get to the point: Obama wants to continue the Faith Based Initiatives Program, and EXPAND the amount of federal dollars GOING to the organizations involves in it. But wait – it gets better! He wants to allow them to HIRE and FIRE on the basis of RELIGION!!!
You read that right — this self-titled Constitutional scholar wants to allow YOUR tax paying dollars to go to faith-based initiatives, allowing them to decide if the person is religious enough, their KIND of religious, and to dismiss them should they decide the employee’s belief system does not match closely enough to the organization. Hold on, there is even more! According to the AP Article, “Obama TO Expand Bush’s Faith-based Programs“:
Obama proposes to elevate the program to a “moral center” of his administration, by renaming it the Office of Community and Faith-Based Partnerships, and changing training from occasional huge conferences to empowering larger religious charities to mentor smaller ones in their communities.
Pay attention to that name change, so that you KNOW he is talking about faith-based programming using federal dollars in the future.
In a further pander to Evangelical Christians, Obama said,
“In time, I came to see faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I went out and did the Lord’s work,” he was to say.
Huh. I wonder if he thinks the “Lord’s Work” includes character assassinations, and vote stealing??? Those two look mighty close to breaking a couple of Big Ones to me, but, hey, what do I know? But I digress…
You are going to LOVE this next quote! In it, he throws together a bunch of issues facing us, ending with a quintessential Naval metaphor (get it?):
“The challenges we face today, from putting people back to work to improving our schools, from saving our planet to combating HIV/AIDS to ending genocide, are simply too big for government to solve alone,” Obama was to say, according to a prepared text of his remarks obtained by The Associated Press. “We need all hands on deck.”
Why, yes we do. To make sure you never become president!
Ironically, it was just the other day that Obama sent out Mrs. Obama to shore up his support among – Wait for it – GAY groups!! No, I am not kidding, and I am not making this us. (For those of you who might be unaware, Evangelical Christians, certainly those affiliated with organizations like James Dobson’s “Focus on the Family,” are not too keen on gay people. They kinda think of us as big ol’ sinners, to cut to the chase!) According to the article,
Barack Obama will fight for equal rights for gays just as he fought to help working-class families overcome poverty, the Democratic presidential hopeful’s wife told a gay Democratic group Thursday.
Recalling his past work as a community organizer to help struggling families, Michelle Obama said he would take the same approach as president.
HAHAHAHAHA!! Obama is going to help the LGBT Community the same way he has helped those folks during his Community Organizing days? Those people without heat and all of that in the Southside of Chicago? That’s how well he is going to do for US? Oh, WHEEEEE!!!!
Believe it or not, there is still more.
Touting her husband’s record pushing for workplace discrimination legislation as an Illinois state senator and his support of civil unions, Obama noted her husband also had brought a call for equality to conservative groups, telling churchgoers they need to combat homophobia in the black community.
His workplace discrimination legislation? As in what, PUSHING for workplace discrimination?? As Uppity Woman pointed out in her excellent piece, “Sexist Obama Pays His Female Staff Less Than The Males” in No Quarter, Obama is not exactly a prince in the Sexual Equality department, certainly in the realm of equal pay for equal work. It is more like the Sexual INequality department. Just freakin’ spare me.
Okay, sure – he can tell conservative churches that they need to stop attacking LGBT people, and do more about HIV/AIDS, but when one of his BFFs is Senator Rev. James Meeks, a blatantly ANTI-GAY activist, and when he campaigns with Donnie McClurkin, a noted ANTI-GAY activist, it is just a little hard to take this seriously. He can SAY whatever he wants to say, but his ACTIONS clearly indicate otherwise. There is a world of difference between Senator Clinton’s relationship with the LGBT community and Obama’s – Clinton actually HAS a relationship with the LGBT community!! Just sayin’.
Oh – and no doubt, what Michelle Obama also said during this speech is just gonna PISS Donna Brazile off:
Michelle Obama also drew a connection between the struggles for gay rights and civil rights.“We are all only here because of those who marched and bled and died, from Selma to Stonewall, in the pursuit of a more perfect union,” she said at the event, held days before the anniversary of the 1969 Stonewall riots between gays and New York police, and the city’s annual gay pride parade.
“The world as it is should be one that rejects discrimination of all kinds,” she said.
Whooey, is that ever gonna make Donna MAD!!!! Remember, Howard Dean got into some hot water (as in, faced a law suit) because of his firing of a gay man. In an article in the Washington Blade, regarding choosing Civil Rights delegates for the National Convention in August, and including gay people in the Civil Rights contingent to that convention,
Dean said some “influential individuals” within the DNC Black Caucus, such as Donna Brazile, opposed the plan because it was seen as “an affront to the civil rights movement.”
All righty. I bet Ms. Brazile might just have a little chat with Michelle on this. How dare she go against Donna’s party line?!?!
Apparently, though, the 200 – 300 people there drank the Cult Aide – they raised over $1 million for him. I am going to make an unsubstantiated guess and say they MUST have been Log Cabin Republicans!! How else to explain it?! I certainly can’t any other way. This man has done ZERO for our community – ZERO, actually, he has done NEGATIVES for our community, and while John McCain probably isn’t going to be winning any GLAAD or HRC awards any time soon, neither is Obama. Oh, wait – someone DID win the HRC award, and coincidentally, her initials are HRC!!! But why bother with trivialities?!?!
Anywho, it sure will be interesting to watch the hoops Obama will jump through as he tells every single group, no matter how much their varying beliefs/realities may be diametrically opposed, that he supports THEM, and will do everything possible for THEIR agendas. I guess this just highlights – again – the importance of the PUMA and Just Say No Deal coalitions, to point out Obama’s bald-faced lies, flip flops, pandering, and frightening policies. Speak out, speak loud, and expose this charlatan for who he is! Power to the PUMA!
And for your viewing and listening pleasure, if our politicians want to know what the people want, check out this video by Martina McBride:
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See my earlier stories on the similarities between Bush and Obama:
Another Bush/Obama Similarity…, June 22, 2008
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So what’s the list up to now in “scary parallels between Bush and Obama?”:
1. Daddy issues
2. “The Uniter”
3. Faith based initiatives
4. Cocaine use
5. Having positions of power handed to him
6. Support for the Cheney Energy Bill
Anything else? What are we missing?
And he wants to use the internet to monitor it all.
Josgirl — I can’t wait to see how the liberal drones react to this. He has screwed over moveon.org and anyone who stood with him. He won’t be happy till he is a Dictator. Now he is using Christians.
>Anything else? What are we missing?
Reason. Let’s see.
>1. Daddy issues
Yeah, who doesn’t have Daddy issues? Lord knows the Big Dawg sure did.
2. “The Uniter”
McCain sells himself as an independent thinker who reaches across the aisle. Again, every national politician tries to make this case.
3. Faith based initiatives
Granted. And as a good progressive I’m a bit queasy about this. But I gotta say, voting for McCain because you don’t want evangelicals winning a broader role in U.S. public life strikes me as a deeply questionable political strategy.
4. Cocaine use
Whatever.
5. Having positions of power handed to him
Horseshit. Obama came up from nothing. Do you have any idea what an accomplishment it was to be elected editor of the Harvard Law Review? Any clue?
6. Support for the Cheney Energy Bill
Um, come again?
Anyway, now let’s look at the list of similarities between McCain and Bush:
1. Supports endless Iraq War.
2. Believes the U.S. President has the legal right to violate the Geneva Convention, suspect habeus for enemy combatants, authorize torture, spy on American citizens, et al
3. Pro-life.
4. Supports making immense Bush tax cuts for wealthiest Americans permanent, thereby casting federal into longterm terminal crisis.
5. Promises to break 5-4 deadlock on Supreme Court in favor of (for all intents and purposes) fascism by replacing most liberal Justices with more strict constructionists in Thomas/Alito mode.
Now, I look at these two lists and I know which politician looks more to me like a repeat of Bush. Your Obama list is crammed with trivial character assassination crap. My McCain list is solely composed of enormously important, world-changing issues.
Progressive visitors, please use your brains in November.
Oh yeah…
Both have idiot supporters who believe their chosen dear leader is perfect and infallible.
I see, I’m an idiot? Well, I’ve learned over the past couple weeks that two thirds of the time that an Obama supporter posts on NQ, he or she will not get any response to his substantive points, he’ll just have some PUMA dittohead (like you) give a sneering insult, as though calling someone an idiot actually makes him an idiot, or claiming that I consider someone perfect actually means I consider him imperfect.
In fact, as anyone here who reads my posts knows, Obama has done a number of things recently that I think are dead wrong and am pissed about. It’s just that, you know, I’m a Democrat who believes in the Constitution and wants to save America from the Bush-era Republican Party, so voting for Obama is an easy decision.
No, you are a lemming who will vote for a ham sandwich if it as a big “D” next to it. Hussein Obama as president would be a huge disaster for America.
Hussein Obama, huh? Not Barack Obama? And how would he be a disaster, exactly? I keep asking this question and nobody is able to answer it. What would he do that would be disastrous?
Again: GOP haters said precisely the same things about Bill Clinton. He was going to be a catastrophe for America, was going to destroy the country, was a Commie who’d let Marxists take over.
So tell me: what exactly is Obama going to do that would harm the country in a material way?
bill did not as a teenagerhave as a mentor a member of the comunist party of the usa,bill did not associate with people that planted bombs.bill did not in his state senate district turn his back on tennants that went wthout heat in a chicsgo winter so as not to offend a mentor fundraiser.mcain on the other hand when confronted with a deadly fire on the deck of the forestall risked his own life to rescue a fellow shipmate.obama has no character or judgement while mcain who i dont always agree with has more spine than most.
Obama is in no way like Bill Clinton. He is, as the author of this post points out, exactly like George W. Bush. Surely even you would not dispute that Bush has been a disaster of unimagined proportions in office. There is no way we will vote to put Obama in office knowing that it will just be four more years of incompetence, made even worse by Obama’s malevolent views of women and the elderly.
He is one of the most corrupt politicians we have seen in years. His dirty politics in Chicago should give you a good clue. AND Voting “present” on important issues while in the senate for a whole 145 days, winning the senate as the only person on the ballot (he pushed everyone else off), not submitting his birth certificate, then submitting a fake one on his web site, and the list goes on and on. Get it?
1. Bill Clinton was raised by a single mother, but there was no evidence he had “daddy issues.” He certainly never wrote a book about it.
2. John McCain actually has a record of bipartisan legislature and “reaching across the aisle.” Many people in his own party (”conservatives”) hate him for this. McCain has never promoted himself as a “uniter,” though. He does not fear-monger about people wanting to “boil and stew the hope out of him” and play divisive politics.
3. No one said they were voting for McCain to shut evangelicals out from politics.
4. “Whatever.” Obama admitted to it in his biography, and we know Bush snorted coke.
5. Obama was raised by a well-educated white mother and affluent grandparents who sent him to an exclusive private school in Hawaii. He worked to get ahead in life, but he also accepted favors from corrupt Rezko and Ayers and Emil Jones, etc. Then the DNC fixed the Democratic nomination for him. He never won on his own merit. It was handed to him.
6. The 2005 Energy Bill written by Cheney and lobbyists gave away 27 billion in perks for the oil industry while it raked in its record profits. McCain and Clinton voted against it. Obama voted for it.
As for your retorts…
1. Obama supports endless war in Iraq. He has supported the Bush strategies more than McCain has and has voted in 20 different ways to support Bush and the Iraq war.
2.Obama voted for FISA, emergency funding to war profiteers, distanced himself from Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo, he was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as US Atty Gen…
3. I’m not sure Obama should be proud of voting four times to allow infants to die suffocating in soiled linen closets after “live birth abortions” AKA infanticide.
4. Obama is in bed with the mortgage industry responsible for the housing market crisis and the credit industry that have had a worse impact on our economy than the Bush tax cuts.
5. Obama would appoint SCOTUS justices who would make Ruth Bader Ginsburg look like a Bircher. No thanks.
But we wee talking about character. Obama looks more like Bush than McCain does in this area; that’s what Americans consider when voting for President.
BRAV-FU**ING-O!
Oh Great. Under Obama Americans will all become Quran totin goat herders.
sfhillary; Since I wish to stay on topic, I frame my comment to this way.
If you just read Reverand Amy’s well written and DISTURBING article are you NOT concerned abot BO?
Lets look at how he has acted while a member of TUCC ro 20 years.
Gay people are SHUNNED. Three people associatted with TUCC have been murdered. And they could do is offer a 1000 dollar reward for info on the choir director’s murderer.
BO profitted from the misery of poor people in his Senate district from the moment he was elected.
He has channeled large sums of money to any number of questionable people, orginaizations and religous groups. As Rev Amy points out, this hypocracy of BO’s to continue a BUSH policy is like a bug hitting the winshield in the dark of night on a Kansas interstate! Hypocracy is a warm gun to BO!
You state;
Obama has done a number of things recently that I think are dead wrong and am pissed about.
What are you going to do about it?
Believe me when I say, I completly understand where you are coming from. You DON’T want a republican president. I get it! Lord knows I did not want one either. I was for Biden when this circus came to town. He’s gone, so Hillary like everyone else on the stage couldn’t say “I agree with Joe”.
The more I listened to Hillary the more I was impressed with her. The woman flat out knows her shit and has more guts and communication skills than the majority of people in political life.
She got screwed. WE GOT SCREWED. And includes the people who voted for BO as well. Nothing like a candidate with out the complete support of his own party eh? So I am NOT going to support the people who did this. My parents raised me to not accept BULSHIT, or vote for it either.
SO, I ask you this question as Mr. Lemos wrote, it is what it is, WHAT ARE YOU going to do?
I don’t agree with much of McCains positions BUT, the moral compass of Senator McCain, inspite of his “temper” is by far better than the immoral BO.
Truth be told these two parties are the same criminal enterprise it just depends what door of the lobby you entered.
What are you going to do?
I CANNOT vote for the immoral and indifferent BO? How can you Vote for a guy that promised Dodd and Fiengold his support on FISA and Screwed them? His word is NOT his bond.
The Bush Era as you call it is here to stay in one form or another. It is not even a question of BO being able to correct the damage done to the US Constitution. He simply NOT by ANY metric you go by, qualified to be POTUS.
You say it is an easy decision? Perhaps you step back from that statement long enough to see BO is “just smart enough to be dangerous” and just indifferent enough to get people killed. Respectfully, I hope you sleep well.
I have lost sleep over all the damage BO has caused.
You want substance rather than name calling? Well fasten your seatbelt. To begin with, Obama wouldn’t have to pander to a group like Evangelicals if he, and you, hadn’t made so many insulting remarks to other Democrats they have left the Party and vow to vote for the opposition.
There should be no need to point out the differences in the deeply held beliefs of Evangelicals which contradict the basic platform of the Democratic Party. ie. Choice, War, Guns, Environment, equal treatment of gays, Corporate interest before the interest of others among them.
Having positions of power handed to him? What’s your problem with that argument? The DNC is handing him the greatest power on earth, that of President of the United States of America and if you think he earned it, you can have the senator from my state with the same qualifications or even more because he actually had to take a stand on issues as voting “present” isn’t allowed in this state.
His famous anti-war speech? Show it to me. Even if you had proof such a thing existed, it would not qualify him to be president. Where is the tipping point for you? Not FISA. Not Public Financing. Not neglect of his senate duties. Not his various lies (and I can list those if you want). His hate for the Clintons/ love for the Clintons. Looking for votes among felons. Looking for votes among Republican states. New Map/ New Coalition. Disenfranchise voters where you can, steal votes where you can. Pulling troops out of Iraq, not pulling troops out of Iraq.
I have one further thought for you. Any unknown freshman senator with unanswered questions about an association with Rezko and Auchi should have been vetted very carefully before reaching this point in the nominating procedure. And the idea you can trust a candidate because he is a Democrat is a foolish mistake on your part. It took me almost forty years to discover that truth. Maybe the Republicans will be able to show you what he is really like, but you will, no doubt, dismiss any evidence.
BTW, Bill Clinton has a wonderful and loving relationship with his stepfather and publicly grieved his passing.
Yet another awesome post.
I love NOQUARTER. Great bloggers, great repliers.
You guys are just awesome in your responses. Smart people here at NoQuarter and I give you standing ovations for your knowledge! Keep up the good work and continue making those trolls look like the foolish children they are.
That’s because you never make any substantive points. You just regurgitate the talking points of the day as compiled for our reading enjoyment by the Head Obamabutt back at headquarters. Then when that fails to impress anyone, you just resort to insults.
But I’m always glad to see you posting, because McCain appreciates your efforts to drive voters into his camp.
Dear sfhillary:
Surely, you are sufficiently tolerant to listen to yet another Puma ‘dittohead’!).
Sen. Obama has lost the faith and support of many women and men (fathers, brothers do co-exist with the epithet “Democrat”!) who were phenomenally disappointed to view His most blatant misogynist core beliefs exhibited in this YouTube mega-hit for the ages, which should be submitted for the Oscars:
“OBAMA GIVES HILLARY THE FINGER” – where he attends at the N.C. stage, the day after his rather inept Pa. ABC Debate performance, and offers a well-orchestrated JayZ-rapper-wannabe act that comprises the dusting off and scraping off his dainty shoulders and shiny shoes of excrement (which is clearly implied to be HRC) thus offering his own idiosyncratic show of ‘respect’ for his fellow (female) Senator! The misogynist media frat-boys who pushed this high-schoolish mime to the finish line of superdels should be proud of Him for this Oscar-worthy mime act!
And in the process, BHO offers the rest of the undecided female voters Exhibits ‘A’ to ‘Z’ of his unshakeable certitude in the Justification of Misogyny in Politics! Yes, comrade, this is the man who knocked off the ballots in Chicago in ‘96 his mentor and benefactor AA Sen. Alice Palmer. Barack,in fact, STOLE the election from Alice (she supports Sen.Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton, and can thou blameth her?)–just as he stole the nomination from Hillary!
So, if you see a sociopathic, blatantly misogynist pattern of behaviour in Barack’s brilliantly short political career, I don’t blame you. If you don’t, get checked for OBA-MYOPIA. Don’t fret, tho! It’s a curable affliction. You just have to wait till November when the GE ophthalmogist gets back in town!
To rebut you on every reason why Obama is wrong for this country will take from here to eternity. If you insist that Obama is preferable, there is really nothing more to say.
So, why don’t you go and have a substantive discussion with like-minded individuals elsewhere?
Wants to be president of all 57 states!
Now, just hold on – it’s 58 states!!!
Obama DID vote for the Bush/Cheney energy bill! See what happens when supporters don’t bother to actually look at for what Obama stands?? Oh, and just as a reminder, CLINTON VOTED AGAINST THE ENERGY bill!! Just sayin’…
Here’s another one to add to the list of comparisons: Big Damn Liar! (Does that cover saying one thing then flipping to the opposite side, depending on whom he wants to impress? Like FISA??)
Yeah, it’s real good that Obama has spent his life chasing after a dead beat polygamist dad while disparaging the women that took care of him as typical white racists.
And McCain actually has a record of doing just that. Obama…. well…. he can’t even unite his own party, and somehow he’s supposed to unite the country, the world, and then, the whole UNIVERSE!!
Actually, the very fact that “evangelicals” aren’t rallying behind McCain and think he’s “too liberal” gives me more than enough impetus to vote FOR McCain to influence the future direction of the Republican party (towards the more McCain center) and AWAY from the hack-leftist wing of the Democrats that Obama represents.
Yeah. It’s not like we can
A yes. “Nothing.” Daddy #1 was prominent economist, #2 a prominent business man. Grandma a bank president, and mom a poor single DOCTORAL student on foodstamps. Yeah. “Nothing.”
And actually, having gone to law school, I DO have an idea “how hard it is to get on law review.” I’m also thinking there was probably a lot of affirmative action going on, given the fact he never wrote an article for the law review, and the law review administration that came after his reversed all of his “changes” that he made while “in power.”
But then let’s fast forward to his lackluster law career, and the fact that he didn’t have an accomplishment to his name in the state legislature until the last year he was there… all of it spoon fed to him by those trying to make him a US Senator.
He’s spent his life rejecting his mother and grandmother, huh? And the editorship of the Harvard Law Review means nothing, huh? And you’re going to try to elect a Republican who vows to continue the Iraq War, extend Bush’s tax cuts, defend homeland security spying and military torture and appoint strict constructionist judges who will alter the balance of power on the Supreme Court in order to try and move the Republican Party to the left? Because the Democrat scares you?
You are all fucking deranged.
What is UP with you and the f-ing Harvard Law Review? Seriously, you make law review by having good grades in law school. Nobody ever said Obama wasn’t smart.
And what, really, is Obama’s position on the war? I’ve heard about three different versions of his “plan” for withdrawal…. followed by a non-committed answer…. followed by a “we’ll figure it out later.”
Tax cuts? Newsflash: CONGRESS sets tax cuts. CONGRESS has the power of the purse, not the President.
And if you can remind me… who appointed those members of the Supreme Court we now consider “liberals?” Oh yeah…. and um… who is responsible for confirming nominations to the Supreme Court again?
I’m a “low information voter,” you see, so I don’t know the answers to these questions.
The articles published during the year BO was editor of the Harvard Law Review have become the least cited of all articles of the HLR, either by other law review articles or court decisions. BO never authored a Law Review article himself.
Liberals claim to protect collective rights, i.g., gay rights, woman rights, black rights. Conservatives claim to protect individual rights. Let see who has done better as progressives in the landmark Supreme Court decisions of protection of rights.
Boumediene v. Bush granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle (superior to any rights they would have under the Geneva Conventions) was written for the majority by a Republican, Anthony Kennedy, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Kennedy was also the author for the majority in Romer v. Evans, invalidating laws denying gays the right to bring local discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating criminal prohibitions against private sexual acts between consenting gay adults.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey re-affirming the Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the right to abortion was written by Sandra Day O’Connor, the first woman on the SUpreme Court and another appointee of Ronald Reagan. Justice Kennedy joined O’Connor d in the majority opinion.
Roe v. Wade itself was authored for the majority by another Republican, Harry Blackmun, who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon.
Brown v. Board of Education, which struck down laws allowing racial segregation was written by another Republican, Earl Warren, an Eisenhower appointee.
Warren also wrote the opinions in Gideon v. Wainwright, which held that the Sixth Amendment required that indigent non-capital criminal defendants receive publicly-funded counsel, and Miranda v. Arizona, which required that certain rights of a person being interrogated while in police custody be clearly explained, including the right to an attorney.
Christine, YOU are just too awesome. I admire smart women like you. I’m not being smarmy, really I’m not. These Obamabutts are just too stupid by far to stand up to these intelligent NoQuarter responders.
The troll is getting desperate and is just throwing out scripted talking points. Kind of like Obama, needs a teleprompter in front of him to make sense.
You support a fucking Marxist, douchebrain.
That settles the matter.
Answer the Marxist issue.
Oh yeah, not referring to Groucho, Harpo, etc.
They were all born in the United States.
You need to stop with the Law Review stuff- you don’t know what you are talking about. It stopped being merit based the year Obama got it. Do you understand? Or should I spell it out and be accussed of racism?
Why would he write a book about the dreams of a father that abandoned him?
It’s just a typical story about another Black man abandoning his family.
But why on earth would Obama honor the scumbucket?
He could have written a book about Mom and the Grandma who raised him. You know, Mom and apple pie.
Get us his Harvard grades (preferably not forged)
I figure kos will find them and post them , don’t worry , be happy. Hussein Obama is on the job, no worries. Pray hard. LOL
Hillary or McCain 08!!!!!
Geez,
you don’t think his grades were lower than Kerry’s do you? 2.2 or something like that…
oh yea i see how obama defends the constitution just look at his fisa flip flop.
Obama has backed off on his promise to remove all troops in eighteen months and his financial advisors said last week they would lower corporate taxes even more.
And McCain actually has a record of doing just that. Did you ever wonder why McCain was pissed at BO?
Go on take a guess.
It was because McCain reached across the way to BO and BO, as is bluntly apparent, blew him off, after giving his word he would support McCain. His word is worth ZIP NADA ZERO NOTHING.
I feel your pain, sfhillary, but please get your facts correct. If he was so “brilliant” as L. Tribe described him, where or where are ANY articles he wrote for the review? ZIP NADA NOTHING. = EMPTY SUIT>.
These Obamabots cannot begin to understand that they have been bamboozled.
They backed someone who is nothing like they projected
They will one day wake up and realize that they ridiculed/attacked/belittled/insulted THE ONE TRUE POGRESSIVE: HILLARY
sitting in a racist, anti American, hateful church for 20 years is NOT TRIVIAL
being associated with a domestic terrorist is NOT TRIVIAL
Being associated with someone who ran slums in your district and you did nothing is NOT TRIVIAL
And despite the many Obama supporters who lack it, BEING PRESIDENT IS ABOUT CHARACTER.
I’ll take McCain despite any and all things I don’t agree with him on over Obama.
You’ll “take McCain” because you do not know or care anything about McCain’s actual character. You are a hate junkie and participating in groupthink trashing of Obama gets you off psychologically. That is all any of you clowns are. The vibe on this site gets more and more repellent every day. I need to leave. I need a shower.
Seriously, nobody asked you to be here. It’s not like you add anything that hasn’t been said before.
I agree–You DO need a shower. Better yet you need to take a run through the dip with the disinfectant.
A colonic purge might be more helpful than the shower
a shower won’t help you……….
hey sfhillary..
i know this about McCains character……..
John McCain……..
“In 1968 he was offered early release, and when he refused, because others had been there longer, his captors went at him again; he suffered cracked ribs, teeth broken off at the gum line, and torture with ropes that lashed his arms behind his back and that were progressively tightened all through the night.” Source Vanity Fair, February 2007
“He spent two years in solitary confinement, suffered from dysentery and even tried to commit suicide by hanging himself with his own shirt.
In 1968, the Vietnamese broke off many of his teeth at the gum and tortured him for hours on end. They offered him early release, knowing his value as an admirals son, but he refused, saying others had been held captive longer.” Source Daily Mail, February 1, 2008
and what do i know about Obama’s character..well he sat for 20 years in a church that he now wants to give my freaking tax money to ..with a minister..who thinks my country is “god damned AMERICA”..the country my husband fought for , my father fought for and my grandfather fought for..
wtf has Obama ever fought for???
not a “god damned” thing…he votes present ..or can’t f’ing figure out how to vote! or so he says..he hides his records..and he is a fing coward!..a Whiny coward at best!
and send his little trolls like you here..so spew his horse crap!
Now go take that shower..the rest of us are too busy trying to clean up your bullshit..and we will have to take our shower after we have cleaned up the crap you leave laying around!
fly
Hope the shower is not like the ones in BO Illinois senate district; without hot water in the cold ass Chicago winter….
so quit threatening to leave and just leave. keep your word.
the shower you will need after obama loses won’t ever wash away the shit you’ve peddled.
now leave and STFU.
Why are you then forcing yourself on us? Go take a shower and tell mom and dad you’re home and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
P.S. – Don’t come back!
I agree, never Obama.
I think you better hold on, sweetie. BO is going to throw the anti-war crowd under the bus in 3…2…1…
And yes, BO DID support the Bush/Cheney Energy Corporate Welfare Act for the Most Profitable Corporations in History. Look it up. BTW McCain and Clinton did NOT support it.
BO’s daddy was a legacy at Harvard just like GW’s. He DID NOT COME UP FROM NOTHING
Sf- if you are queasy over Nobama- there is still time! Join us and help Hillary become the nominee in August at the convention.
As far as Nobama and the Harvard Law Review– please, read the news accounts from people who were there at the time. Haven’t you ever wonder why he hasn’t released his grades? Or never clerked for a judge?
Hussein makes me want to puke………..He is disgusting……..
shhillary — Obama will always have your support. Because nothing is too dirty for you. They couldn’t pay me to post on his behalf — I have my standards. Please don’t use Hillary’s name and then post the crap you do.
A bargain was made to make Obama the nominee based on the assumption that Clinton’s voters would vote for downballot Democrats anyway whereas Obama’s voters would not show up at the polls unless he is on the ballot. Thus, by having Obama as the nominee, the Democratic party’s leaders think they are very likely to win even if Obama loses.
What is this Democratic Party that we must support? I have been a loyal Democrat since McGovern. The Democratic Party today has lost sight of the core values that made me loyal. The examples are legion, but consider the following: First, it stood idly by while a major primary candidate was thrashed and trashed, even though she would have been the first truly qualified female nominee and possibly the first female president. The Democratic Party I was loyal to would have fought back. Second, if the congressional leadership stands for any Democratic core values, I do not know what they are. Nancy Pelosi’s first act was to take impeachment off the table. If Democrats do not stand for holding a President accountable who has tricked us into war and death, they do not deserve support. Third, both Pelosi and Harry Reid support the assault on civil liberties that is the FISA legislation. The only time I have seen either of them truly excited and pushing hard for something was the bailout of the Hedge Funds– against a congressional backdrop in which bankruptcy protection was taken away from ordinary citizens who suffer catastrophic financial losses– even because of medical conditions.
It might be argued that Democrats could not muster enough votes to prevail on any core issue legislation. Even so, could they not have drawn a line in the sand and made the other side bleed a little for its victory?
Sometimes, a thing is so rotten it no longer can be built upon. To my way of thinking, this is the Democratic Party of today. I do not think the Republican Party is any better at all– but if the leadership of the Democratic Party loses this easy election, maybe, just maybe, some adults who have real values will take charge and make me want to be a part of the Party again.
Thank you I totally agree with you the Democratic Party doesn’t stand for Democratic principals anymore and hasn’t for some time.
You have made an excellent point re. the two Party system in this country and it is one I have been giving a great deal of thought to in view of recent evidence. I read part of Thoreau’s Civil Disobedience recently and he is not the only one to have made the point when a government is no longer responding to the needs of the citizens, the PEOPLE have an obligation to resist. Not one of them advocated armed resistance, but intelligent citizens should be able to find a way to change the system.
We have accepted the two party system for over a hundred and fifty years and it is clear unless that changes, we will continue this path of corruption until the country dies under it’s weight. I read a paper years ago, supporting two parties mathematically as working best. The premise being additional parties would cause a deadlock where nothing could be accomplished.
On the other hand, there is no reason to believe we can’t change the parties themselves and there has never been a better time. Our economy is failing because of pork and a war Americans agreed to because they were given information leading them to believe Iraq was a danger. Congress and the executive branch benefit from the status quo so they aren’t motivated to change the way things are done.
Only fifty percent, on average, of eligible voters actually vote and they are the same groups every election. Right now, some of those groups from both parties are unhappy. It would seem the only way to change anything is anarchy at the conventions. If the delegates refuse to fall in line with the procedures set up by the power, it is possible to halt the convention until their voices are heard. Those sitting at home will see the problems and more may become involved in the process.
The amount of money being spent by both parties is obscene and every taxpayer should be outraged our elections are bought and sold. Anyone, Pelosi is a good example, who lives in a wealthy district and raises enough money and support the campaigns of like minded candidates has too much power in the selection of congress.
I guess it won’t happen and we will have to crash and burn before real changes are made and citizens take the power back.
i AGREE WITH YOU honestlawyer mostly..
there are not two parties..i decided that in Iowa when i worked for Edwards and i heard at the top hotel bar the talk from the campaign mgrs for Edwards..they knew all this stuff about Obama ..but Edwards stayed silent..why?? was he part of AXELRODS PLAN OR PART OF THE SOLUTION TO TAKING OUT HILLARY?
Yes i heard all sorts of nasty stuff Edwards people knew about Obama …and they never used the info..why?????????? It was all like inside jokes, they all knew about..and here we are..if anyone here doesn’t believe the repubs know the same stuff, they are only fooling themselves.
I believe the repigs want Obama ..the real powers that be…”the octopus”???…he is their guy..
I knew when i left Iowa..there is one party with one big giant money pot in the middle..the dems are no better than the repigs..they are just as guilty and complicit in what is going on with this war..the economy and the loss of jobs in this country..the drug running ..the works..they have just fooled a damn lot of people.
And it is time we all stand up for our responsibility of “we the people”..we need to take this back ..right now in history from these so called powers that are running us and stealing our money and tax dollars and addicting our kids and killing our kids education , and leaving the people of this country in needless fear and paralyized..we need a wake up call..all the way down the dem ticket..no one must be safe in their seats..on either side of this damn filthy isle.
We must take this country back from these evil dirty bastards..each and every one of them.
my 2 cents..
fly
We know how Obama did it. It was a lot like how he got selected to be the Dem nominee.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
Do I care? Since when does that equal experience. It has nothing to do with congressional accomplishment, DUH! Its called a call to authority. “Obama is correct on everything because he stayed at a holiday inn express.” Please, go look for a moron somewhere else.
The linked article shows that Obama was not selected on merit to the Presidency of the Harvard Law Review, just as he was not “selected” on merit as presumptive nominee of this party. I doubt that Obama has ever come by any of his offices honestly.
Lightning should strike each of you Obamabutts when you make this horseshit argument.
Democrats sat on their hands while Bush replaced Sandra Day O’Connor with Alito — oh, no, we can’t filibuster, that would be rude.
And they actually had control of the Senate when Clarence Thomas was confirmed, which was up until the savaging of Hillary Clinton by misogynist Obama, the highwater mark of sexism by the Democratic Party as they stood silently and cowardly aside as Anita Hill was mauled by Thomas proponents.
So take your Supreme Court argument back to your Supreme Leader and tell him we’ll take McCain any day over Obama’s lying, flip-flopping cowardice.
Unable to think quickly off teleprompter.
They both have no regard for the constitution.
Won’t debate anyone
Both think God wants them to be president.
This one is technically wrong. Bush thinks God wanted him to be President. Obama thinks he is God.
Bush thought God was talking to him, but it was Cheney on an intercom.
Both said their inexperience wouldn’t matter because they’d have great advisors telling them what do to. That might be the scariest one.
Running for president with a shockingly lightweight resume–no facts or history to get in the way of telling the people whatever they want to hear? I’d say that’s #1.
“Don’t worry, he’ll appoint good people.”
O is the left’s W.
Oh! I forgot:
7. Untravelled
So if you don`t belong any organized religon…you are out of luck.
I bet Donald Young and Larry Sinclair will hop on the Obama bus now..oops, Young is dead and Sinclair is targeted…
Jesus H. Christ…what next??
I see, now the rumors about murders start. This is exactly what the Republican underground tried to do to Bill Clinton in the 90s. Precisely. In argument, in method, in tone — everything. Clinton was the antichrist, he was the most criminal, hideous, dishonest politician ever, the U.S. was going to collapse if he was allowed to disgrace the Oval Office with his presence. He and his shady Arkansas machine were responsible for all kinds of horrible crimes, the media was in his back pocket so they wouldn’t report it. On and on.
And now you people are doing the exact same thing to Obama. In the name of the Clintons. Man, does no one on this site have any sense of history, or of irony?
I don’t dislike Obama “in the name of the Clintons.”
In fact, Hillary has nothing to do with my anti-Obama stance. I think he’s a fraud and a sheister, and I have no respect for him or his fairy tale “accomplishments” that he’s made up for himself.
Was his election to the editorship of the Harvard Law Review a made-up accomplishment? Just curious.
And I’m just pointing out that this site’s obsessive anti-Obama campaign is precisely akin to the obsessive Scaife-funded right-wing attack on Bill Clinton in the 1990s. And has equal validity.
Yay. Obama was “elected” to President of Law Review. Sign that man up to be President, cause baby, that’s good enough for me!
What did he ACCOMPLISH while President of Law Review should be the analysis. Not that he was ON law review. What articles did he write? What reforms did he implement? Answer THAT. Bush went to Yale. I guess that’s prima facie evidence that Bush is smart, huh?
Add that to the list: Both were legacy students at Ivy League schools.
Who paid for his Harvard Education? all those student loans Michelle whines about?
TUCC perhaps?
Oh, yes – he was the editor – the ONLY ONE EVER to not actually publish an article! AND, the staff were so upset at the changes they made, they reversed them as soon as he was gone! Great job he did – NOT!
Exactly.
“Editor” of the Harvard Law Review is one of those, “ooooh, that sounds smart!” things that sounds way better and more important than it really is.
It’s like, “oooh, state representative for seven years!” …. despite the fact that state rep is a part time job where they do actual “work” for two months a year.
It used to mean something- it meant you had the best grades, were the “smartest of the smartest” at Harvard.
In Law, it ain’t what you know…
Its who you blow…
He was the first “editor” of the review to never publish. Things that make you go hmmm….
Can we get Obama’s Harvard grades? (preferably not forged)
We can’t even get a real birth certificate for the fraud………
Geeze’um sf, you are slow on the uptake. Pay attention. The system of selecting
the Harvard Law review editor was changed from grades only to an essay competition so that editors would be more “diverse”.
Geeze- even Obama’s own interview to the NYT on Feb. 6,1990 conceded the fact he benefitted from the new selection process.
”The fact that I’ve been elected shows a lot of progress,” Mr. Obama said today in an interview.
How much ‘ave you actually read about how it was he was elected to this position?
My observation ; your knowledge of this subject is not much; because if you did, you would understand why he never did anything while on the board.
Pay to Play ring a bell?
He certainly didn’t get it on merit.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
He gamed the system then, just like he’s doing now. And FYI, it’s President of the Law Review at Harvard, not editor. His Pretentiousness would not like your making that mistake.
For someone accusing us of not getting over Hillary Clinton, Obama supporters sure like using the Clintons to deflect from Obama’s failings. Stop hiding behind the Clintons.
I’m just pointing out the obvious. I’ve seen Obama repeatedly compared to Hitler and the Nazis. I’ve seen people say he’s “worse than Bush.” Now we’re hearing specific hints accusing him (or his crowd) of murder. It’s bizarre and delusional and exactly what we saw launched against Bill Clinton in the last decade.
You’re doing it again.
What is obvious to me is that Obama takes two polar positions on every issue. He lies to American voters while giving a nod and a wink to foreign leaders that it is all campaign rhetoric. He befriends people, use them for power and access then dumps them when they become a political liability, including the grandmother who raised him. His biography is filled with exaggerations and lies. He uses the race card like it was a credit card whose debt will be paid by victims of real racism. He manipulates people’s hopes, dreams, and trust, then throws them under the bus (NAFTA). He has no substantive plan on any issue. He voted “present” more than 100 times to give himself cover for national election. He takes credit for things he never did and blames others for mistakes he did commit. I will not vote for this type of person.
NOBAMA
If you could provide a link to those accusations? I remember nothing like that at all.
I’m just pointing out the obvious. “Launched” is a strange word to use…
At anyrate he is your candidate, you own him, you brought him to the party.
sfhillary;
Grow up and start defending him with his real positions on ANY subject.
You could start by saying something like the reason I support BO for POTUS is his strong stand against FISA..or equal pay for women and minorities or he wants to bring our troops home via Pakistan.
Now he he thinks he can compete with the God squad? ewwwww.
I can no more disown my reverand, church and AA community, than I can call myself 1/2 white. Under the Bus with you all!
Ya right that’s the example the Evangelicals were lookin for. Stickin by your beliefs alright! Spineless Coward.
Anyone recall how dissapointed the guy in charge of ‘ole Bushes “faith based” init was?
All the money was being funneled to the Church of Tom Delay! I’m gonna make me a crucifix and get all those god fearin bible thumpin (white) people and ….
He makes the keystone cops look like experts.
I thought you were taking a shower?
What happened? I thought you were going to go take a shower. Another liar just like Obama. He must be your mentor!
Obama will say ANYTHING.
The salary disparity between Obama’s male and female staffers shows us what his he will DO.
Oblahblah — zero — and now he is pandering to the religious right — more male chauvinist pigs.
Northwest Rain — Obama will screw anyone to gain an advantage. I knew he was no Democrat — but I never knew the Democratic Party would be owned by him. There is still one normal party and I can’t wait until November to vote for John McCain — War Hero and Good Guy. Did you happen to see the 1000 comments on Greta’s blog yesterday? PUMA is getting under their skin — all us lifelong Dems who will not vote for Obama. No wonder he needs the rightwing Christians — he has no chance with the Democrats. Wonder if Nancy is ok with Obama taking this right turn or is she already under the Obama bus?
can you all say Jim Jones??
i wonder who he’ll appoint to this faith-based committee…ah, let’s see…wait for it….rev. wright….ding ding ding, correct answer!!!
Rev. Wright, Father Pfluger, and don’t forget Al Sharpton………
Or James Meeks, his rabidly anti-gay BFF! Interesting aside – Roland Martin from CNN goes to Meeks’ church!!
Isn’t his McClurkin friend a preacher too?
No, McClurkin is a gay homophobic gospel singer. Really! He talks about his struggle against “the curse of homosexuality” (his words, not mine.
Not to further scare you, but
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/barack_obama_donnie_mcclurken.php
Roland Martin from CNN goes to Meeks’ church!!
That explains my reaction to him. NOT good. Beside calling Mr. Johnson an “idiot” by name, he is bigot and a pinhead.
This racist fricton that BO has created is so retro and dangerous.
I donate to private organizations I choose. I don’t need the government taking more of my tax dollars to give to religious organizations and community groups whose teachings I may or may not support, like Reverend Wright, Father Pfleger, Farrakhan, or Bill Ayer’s Woods Fund.
What excuses are his supporters and the MSM going to make for this latest flip-flop?
Over at Talk Left, BTD and VastLeft have withdrawn their support of BO because of this issue–no money no vote no nothing. And from reading Glenn Greenwald today he sounds like all he needs is one last push; he’s royally pissed. (Incidentally I consider Talk Left one of the best sites around; BTD did endorse BO but only “tepidly,” and he invites well-reasoned criticism of BO, all dissenters welcome; there are some really sharp writers and commenters there. But I digress.)
Also today, Kos at the Big Orange said he would not send any money to BO but only to downticket Dems (he will still vote for him of course). That was actually BEFORE the faith-based thing broke. Naturally he is being called a traitor and a crybaby and a secret McCain supporter by his wanker commenters.
And this is to laugh: A group of Obama bloggers are starting a sweet little online effort to ask BO to vote against FISA and “give Obama the chance to lead by listening to the people.” ROFL. Oh they’re not withholding their support or anything–heaven forfend!–but they are writing pleading little sweet love letters begging their lord and master to stop hitting them if they are good. Gosh they are pathetic.
Not that BO cares
They will start getting posts from the Obama cyber room telling them to 1) “get over it”, be “real” democrats and vote for Obama, 3) they have nowhere else to go because Obama’s position on the issues resembles theirs more than McCain. Oops, maybe it does maybe it doesn’t, hard to tell, it depends on if you are standing up or hanging upside down, and 4) they are racists
Oops, maybe it does maybe it doesn’t, hard to tell, it depends on if you are standing up or hanging upside down.
Vera Possumus LOL It reminds me of that ethics reform bill he passed where lobbyists can take money as long as they’re not sitting down. (This was a big accomplishment in the world of stand-up comedy.)
Barack Obama For Possum King 08
I could never quite understand WHY BTD endorsed Obama – he said it as abt positions and electability, but Obama’s positions were ones he took from Clinton, and SHE proved to be more electable against McCain! I failed to see his logic in that position…
That being said, HOLY TOLEDO!! That is AMAZING that BTD has gone to those lengths!! I am trly surprised – wowie zowie! Maybe others will get the clue, too…
But you are right – Talk Left is generally a very good site. I was very disappointed that Jeralyn, like Taylor Marsh, immediately switched allegiance to the presumptive nominee – I haven’t been back much since. Thanks to you, though, I might give them another shot…
Well, it should be obvious. Kos hates black people.
DancingOpossum | 2008-07-01 15:08:23
Over at Talk Left, BTD and VastLeft have withdrawn their support of BO because of this issue–no money no vote no nothing.
I think that might be just posturing on their part, unless they start talking about supporting Senator Clinton at the Convention.
I started reading that site about May and really liked it but then they got behind BHO and stopped going there.
I will have to give it another try. Thanks for the info.
while I could sit in church and pray all I want
I think he left out a line…”and listening about how GOD D*MN America for years”…I wouldn’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I went out and did the Lord’s work
So, this must be the change BO is talking about. Change his stance whenever he feels the need to get votes.
BO as a Rev? Some Flock he would minister to!
The last thing you need is the wolf in sheep’s clothing tending the flock.
Well, I for one believe that Obama is a Muslim and I don’t care how often he or anyone else claims he isn’t. His associates are thick into the Muslim religion. What better way to turn America on its ear then hire and fire any christians. If he get in as or next president we deserve what we get if there aren’t enough of us voting against him and his supporters. We will curse the day we didn’t try harder to stop this fraud from taking over this country. He’s already got people lined up to take over elected offices of those who supported Hillary or refuse to support him. Soros has enabled him to take over television news (if you can actually stomach to call it that) and many newspapers and magazines. Hillary didn’t have a chance, the media made a concerted effort to demonize her and her supporters and lie about the polls and outcomes in the state elections and caucuses. They are shutting down internet sites that don’t buy Obama’s bullshit. Pelosi and Dean et al have insured that the democratic party won’t stand in his way but instead be there to get him to the top at all costs to the party, the rules or anything else they can change. I am sure some independent lawyers out there know the laws well enough that lawsuits could be filed now to demand productions of his REAL birth certificate, his state senate records, and anything else that this fraud keeps hiding. The Chicago mob has helped Soros enable this taking over of America.
i agree with you 100 percent
he must not become p.o.t.u.s
I Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!
Wonder what happened to Obama’s ultra leftwing views? Oh that was before he declared himself the nominee of the Democratic Party. Now that is all so yesterday. Obama wants the rightwing–forget any videos which paint him as a liberal — and if you can’t forget I’m sure the Obamamaniacs have ways to making you forget. Obama is a Republican now — however, in reality the man has no party affiliation at all — He is the Supreme Leader of the United States wannabe. Scary??? They sold us a koala bear and it became a grizzly.
Over at Huffpo, much upset as well.
screw all those sites..they wanted a messiah..now they got one..i will always hold Kos , Huffington and DU and all those pigs who wanted to slop with the head pig accountable.
they all looked the other way at the values we were sold.. for so many years… called democratic values..they crapped on all those values..they crapped on all the people who held those values dearly..fuck them now!
I hope they all crash and burn.
Let them count on all their little obamabrats for $$$$ support..that makes me laugh..well i wonder how that will work for them when the kegger parties start in august on college campus’s????????
hahahahahaha…
ok little college trolls…beer for the weekend or Obama?????????
hahahahah..what a freaking joke!
fly..so disgusted i can hardly stand it!
At least one of the pastors who attended Obama’s meeting with religious bigwigs is openly anti-gay…
Part 2: Obama’s Conservative Meeting Guests–The Pastors
http://tinyurl.com/4fb8mw
Sorry, here’s the corrected URL for
Part 2: Obama’s Conservative Meeting Guests–The Pastors
http://tinyurl.com/4bxnxs
Don’t you get it?
The only way for Obama to control religion is to subsume it.
Once you bring it under federal control, i.e. by quietly swinging financial control to your own appointed clowns, you then also tell each individual group that they need to be more like each other and less divisive and before you know it,
no religion but that of the Enlightened.
This is espionage 101 for crying out loud.
This is how you take over any group.
LARRRRRRRYYYYYY!
Obama gives a speech on patriotism . . . and doesn’t mention freedom. Got to hand it to him. It must have been tough to do. In a 29 minute speech on patriotism in which he invoked Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams, Truman, King, the Pledge of Allegiance, World War II, Vietnam, and Iraq, he does not mention America’s greatest attribute and the single-most powerful beacon to the world: American Freedom.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=489
This is HUGE – an American presidential nominee who ONLY makes a footnote of freedom. It speaks volumes!
And it does explain a lot.
Sorry, ‘presumptous nominee’.
Oh dear. Even Aravosis has stopped salivating long enough to be troubled. After gasping “I don’t know what to say” he says:
Another connection: Obama has a big tent like the GOP?
Sorry this is the link
This covers the story:
And he called himself a “constitutional law professor?” Which constitution? The one where discrimination is allowed? (snark)
I’m sick and tired of the US government funding crazy axxed churches like TUCC. Why should we pay for God Damn Amerikkka sermons or for homophobic or other hateful churches. Since when is the American government in the role of advocating hate speech??? (I know, since Bush, but really…I’d like that to stop now.)
Hillary at the convention…delegates we are counting on you to save us from this time of trial. Remember the memo that said “Al Qaeda determined to attack in the USA” well this one says “Obama determined to undermine America.” Pay attention…do the right thing, nominate HRC or vote McCain.
You’ve hit the nail on the head.
TUCC is his incubator. He needs to repay them. With all of TUCC’s money tied up in a “line of credit” for old daddy Wright to live off until his chickens come home to roost, what better time than to have one of their own flock in the white house to steer all that government money into their coffers to… um… “community organize” or “liberate” or whatever it is, exactly, they do at that “church.”
BO is deranged.
Chr*** on a CRACKER!
This country was founded on the right to worship as we choose. OB needs to start with his own morality.
elizandi — we don’t even know what religion Obama is or even where he was born. So we can add that to the fact that he will stand for anything which will net him votes and that in the end he will screw us all.
Great, bush third term vs bush third term.
Recall the nomination and run Clinton or
We are screwed 08.
Un…no. Once again you mornons have no idea what your talking about. Obama said today:
“UPDATE: An Obama campaign official told the Huffington Post that the AP’s claims about Obama allowing hiring or firing based on faith are false. From a portion of Obama’s speech today:
“Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea – so long as we follow a few basic principles. First, if you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them – or against the people you hire – on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we’ll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work.”
sorry, too late. he let his real intentions slip out.
Pandering to the right wing shamelessly. Then “withddraw it”. Gee, where have I heard this before?
BOTTOM LINE:
The US government should not be involved with ANY FAITH based ANYTHING…THAT MY FRIEND IS the CONSTITUTION!!
OMG..these Obamabots will rationalize anything
The point is that no TRUE Democrat would be for this faith based initiative..PERIOD
Yet another reason this Dem Party has left me and millions of the true faithful belivers
What a damn fake this O is..Jezzzus
So you are OK with this program?
No, I am an atheist and I do not want ANY of my money going to ANY church. However, this is out of my control. If Federal money is going to secular programs only, than thats better than what’s happening now.
And how do you plan to verify what is taught and how faith based funding is used? Do you want to send someone to each school everyday to monitor the classes?
“mornons”? did you mean Mormons? How ironic.
your support of faith based stuff kinda slipped out, eh?
moron.
There’s only one church O’boy will send “Faith Based Funding, and it ain’t in the Bible Belt.
I don’t think the taxpayers want the church of Jeremiah “God Damn America Wright” getting any taxpayer dollars.
I don’t think the taxpayers want a Man who spent 20 years in a racist church telling them which churches are worthy of federal funding.
The taxpayers are not going to trust Obama’s judgement on which churches have programs beneficial to the community.
I don’t want the government taking my hard-earned money to fund any religious organization or community organization. I do not care that they are not preaching. I will take my own money and give it to those organizations, religious and otherwise, I want. No one with the poor judgment to sit there for 20 years listening to racist, anti-American preachings or community organizing with Bill Ayers, is going to decide what church or community group gets my money.
Guys,
Even if only a few here know the nuts and bolts of subversion, surely you have read enough spy fiction over the years to see some parallels.
In order to effectively undermine and take over an opposition organization it is important to control the purse strings of that group as quickly as possible.
Outright leadership seizure is not necessary or desirable.
Intentional underfunding of opposition programs which have a high degree of success probability contributes more to the eventual dissipation of the opponent group’s strength. Once a longer term history of failure is established, complete takeover becomes a ‘fait a compli,’ as the former leadership is shown to be incompetent.
As long as there is separation of church and state, this takeover scenario regarding religion is impossible.
The Constitution was written the way it was written because men much, much wiser than us figured out that Democracy REQUIRES a framework in order for it to survive.
And although it has required a few definition changes to encompass the new reality derived from its leading principles, it is a framework. Frameworks last when they are not constantly taken apart and reassembled with parts missing.
I think sometimes we forget that.
federal dollars that go directly to… mosques can only be used on secular programs.
Can you anyone tell me if BO understands the world of Islam?
Islam is secular?
I have so many problems with that passage it is not funny.
More firing of his CRAP CANNON. So if I am a Jewish person I am going tobe hired by a house of worship of another faith? What works??
At this point I really must ask, who the hell writes this crap for BO?
It’s the same crap he pulled in Chicago by directing earmarks toward TUCC. Obama’s a fascist.
Brazile is a lesbian, as is well known. How does she reconcile this?
hopelessly conflicted from within, how can she lead? What a mess the DNC is.
I can`t imagine either sex getting sweaty thighs over her.
roflmao. yep, pretty disgusting thought!
ewww..does she put her skunk wig on the nighttable?
Thighs also sweat when one is running away screaming in fear of that mental picture.
good one
my brain just went into melt down…….ewwwwwwww…
fly
How did she find a woman who would want her??????? Yuck!!!!!
I don’t care what Donna’s orientation is, but hopelessly conflicted is accurate. She is voting against her own self interests in her rabid support of Barack. Yet we are the ones who vote against ourselves while we cling to our guns and religion. Yeah right, whatever. Donna and Oprah chose race over every other issues including gender. You know if Michelle had been white?- Hell no- they would have thrown him off the bus!
According to Obama if you have to notify the Government of your religion to get a job — shouldn’t the Presidency be off limits for Obama if he’s a Muslim as we are fighting Muslim extremists?
The number one reason I will not support Senator Obama for President is that he is not qualified for the job.
This man has missed over 40% of his votes in the Senate. If one examines the votes he has missed, they actually are politically risky and require moral courage. So far, he has exhibited little.
He voted “present” 130 times in the Illinois State Legislature and voted “wrong” six times, i.e., he said “oops, I accidentally pressed the wrong button” — so either he is incapable of multitasking, or he is dishonest, just making choices for political expediency.
A man who sits in a divisive and racist church for 20 years and lies about his knowledge of the contents of these sermons, then throws the church under the bus when it becomes politically critical for him to do so.
A man who is closely associated with the likes of the convicted criminal Tony Rezko, buys a house with his help, receives $250K in campaign contributions and allows Rezko’s slum holes to flourish in his State Senate district while likewise claiming ignorance — yet lies before the American people and says he barely knows the man and only did five hours of work for him years ago.
I will not even delve into his long working relationship with the man from the Weather Underground, ex-terrorist Bill Ayers, which he has likewise downplayed and/or denied.
This is a man with a questionable record on women’s rights, voting ‘present’ numerous times, who has also said “many pro-choice Democrats don’t understand that abortion is a wrenching moral issue.” Really? How insulting.
This is a man who runs slightly to the left of Hillary Clinton only to flip flop on every position he originally took including: public financing, FISA, his positions of Iraq withdrawal, the Iran threat, Israel, NAFTA and more.
Senator Obama is a man who insults the Bill Clinton presidency, a time of peace and prosperity, while extolling virtues of the disastrous Reaganomics. He calls himself a Democrat?
Most devastating, Senator Obama is a man who, together with his campaign manager and surrogates advantage themselves at every opportunity by playing the race card unjustly.
Senator Obama is the product of splendid marketing. Nothing more …
Obama missed all those votes because he didn’t want anyone to know where he really stood on issues. Obama is a totalitarian and he had to come across as a nice guy who makes boneheaded mistakes. He hasn’t got the nomination yet. So there is still time to let the DNC know that the man they pushed into the nomination is not even a Democrat. If they continue to support him after the way he has used the party for his own ends — every decent Democrat should refuse to vote for him. AA’s are beginning to see they were used as well.
If Obama steals the presidency — then being able to hope with truly be an audacious thing.
They both have 2 daughters
are tongue tied and goofy
are pretending to be tough when they are wimps
Have strong women backing them
Have a penchant for declaring victory when there is none.
Yeah, but it looks like maybe only one of ‘em was born here.
You could be doing a lot more for your cause if you actually came across as well informed and intelligent.
You only come across as a bunch of poor, fat housewives who have nothing better to do all day than troll the internet looking for ridiculous rumors. The “men” posting…well you come across as poor, fat, racists.
I supported Hillary Clinton. I now support Barack Obama, because between him and McCain he is the clear choice.
Who gives a shit what you think. You are the fat assed loser who lies about who you support.
Who gives 2 craps about what you think. You come across and a nag..find your joy
You are an Idiot
Yeah, If you are choosing a pile of dog shit, Barky O’boy is it.
Enjoy that meal. Bon appétit!
kellie — yes there is a clear choice between Obama and McCain. One is a principled man who fought and was tortured for his country–and the other is a total fraud who has never done on thing involving principle in his life. I agree with you — BIG DIFFERENCE John McCain is a real man and has the experience to lead.
Yes, in your world where everyone must be perfect adding an extra “r” to a word makes me stupid.
A discovery! This new language evolved around the letter R. I must study this more.
No, that’s not what makes you stupid. What makes you stupid is that you are supporting Barack Obama. And what makes you really stupid is trying to convince us you ever supported Hillary.
I would never take away from McCain’s service to this country.
However, serving it and being tortured are not qualifications to be President.
Kellie,
Please, read some personal histories of people who have suffered under Marxism. Understand that nobody ever escapes democracy for the joys of a totalitarian government. Observe Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, Tibet, North Korea.
Now observe Poland and the rest of the former Eastern Bloc. You’re good with your keyboard, send off an e-mail to the Polish embassy and ask ‘em how they like democracy versus that Marxist thing.
Argue with them if you feel like making yourself even dumber but realize that your Master if filled with hate and resentment. If a shrink could pry open that sick, sick mind of his, what he would find is a small weak child whose only true wish was that his daddy was really white.
Since he can’t have that, he wants to tear down everything keeping him from being that way.
5 cents please
Serving this country and acting with bravery while a POW are certainly better qualifications for being President than being the flunky of slumlords, terrorists and other criminal cronies of Obama.
No, that doesn’t make him qualified, but it is a bonus to his many many years in the senate. He is loyal to his country and will make sure it is run smooth, safe and free.
His service was admirable. His experience qualifies him.
and pray tell what are obama’s qualifications????????
I can tell you as a 33 yr now retired flight crew for one of the 9/11 airlines..NY based..i would trust McCain in a city second..Obama???????? neverrrrrrrrrrr
let see 1 year in the senate..as opposed to all of McCain experience..no contest..
a man who sat in a church for 20 years listening to hate about this country…and anyone would vote for Obama???????? no way…
McCain any day!
are you trolls really this stupid???????
you want to entrust the national security if this nation on a guy who has never even held a full time job???????????/
oh please………
go back to college..have a ball at your keggers or raves..leave the country to the grown ups will you..crack those books and learn something before coming here and telling us the virtues of a Terrorist loving crook!
fly
you never were an HRC supporter if you so loosely throw insults around like “fat housewives”…
you are the idiotic one, betraying your trollishness by insults, trying to refute things you know are not true. Lying for your candidate, and soon you will play the race card.
the man is a fool. the sooner you realize it the sooner you can be a real American, instead of an Obamabot.
She from the Gaza strip, hello Hamas.
You are right about one thing, I am a racist, I can’t stand radical black people or radical white people like Ayers and Obama. And of course, Obama trolls.
You are soooooooooooo wrong on sooooooooo many levels……Hussein is BAD for all of us………
What’s John McCain’s middle name? I don’t know and I don’t care.
THIS is why most people will not take your little group seriously.
Yes lets criticize a name that was given to him. Way to go great argument!
fascinating. All the other posters are writing in English. But this one s using a language I’m not familiar with. Could it be a modified Swahili? A sanskrit Americanized? I will have to study this.
And we don’t care that Obama’s middle name is Hussein. That is just another false issue put forth by him (anybody who dares say my middle name is racist) to try to divert attention from his woeful lack of qualifications and his own misogyny and ageism.
Thanks for reminding me. I was going to comment on the arguments the Obamanates use. The greegies (herdish ones) say gosh, get with the mainstream, you are in the minority. Other say, we will think less of you if you persist in not doing what we want, thus announcing they are controlled by approval.
Now this one declares that everybody here who does not like Obama is fat.
Fat an avoirdupois-challengedist code word.
[edit] Fat is an avoirdupois-challengedist code word.
I am not a fat housewife. I am a fat lawyer.
let the record show…
Stop Kellie. You need to step back and take a good look at your post. It’s possible only rich, thin CEOs support Obama, but the principles (former) of the Democratic Party have included the poor. Fat housewives is not something deserving a response since the Party has never had requirement with regard to weight or occupation and you have offered no proof you are thin or hold any important position. You are insulting others out of spite so
I’m assuming you are at one with your leader.
Rather than propose a reasonable argument to reunite the Party, Obama is turning over rocks looking for votes in his determination to exclude those who supported Hillary, faithful Democrats, until recently.
Where do you advise he gets votes for the general? Clearly not from the poor, who would not, in any case be part of the 40% of the country with computers and Internet access. And more to the point, where do the poor go for help, not in paying for Internet access, but for bread to put on the table. Where will they go is they are ill, or their children are ill? To pay for the basic necessities? Never to the Republicans and now disavowed by Democrats.
This more than anything is why it is not unreasonable to vote for his opponent. The nausea and revulsion of long time members of the party when they see the callous disregard and dismissal of those not members of their chosen demographic.
No one here believes your senator has any real concern for the lives of ordinary Americans. I see no concern mirrored in your post of compassion or even an understanding of how lacking his social programs are and how absent his ability to convince the poor he cares.
Oh wow! TL is upset? thx
This latest on religion is the only way he can legitimatize Wright and the rest. He is on a real short leash with them.
All that is lacking is the bronze statue of Obama with halo and wings to replace Abe Lincoln. the goat herder from Kenya has arrived.
Crack smoking goat herder!!!!!!!!
OK let me get this straight..
is it a crack smoking goat, being herded or
is it a crack smoking goat-herder?
Please excuse, I’m taking the Berlitz course on colloquial Troll and thought I’d try a phrase.
Very loaded statement. He is nuts, totally. What present corruption is he inferring? He is the one who is High Proselytizer, Presumptive! I really can’t see what the hell he’s talking about…we already have a system in effect for discrimination!
“Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea – so long as we follow a few basic principles. First, if you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them – or against the people you hire – on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we’ll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work.”
shall, agree
And how do you propose doing that? With taxpayer funded Church Police?
No More Marxism. Just cut taxes and let people, not government, decide which charities are worthy of donation.
Can you smell the earmarks already?
What a crock this is. He believes, deeply. Wiggle words: so long as we follow a few basic principles… The money would only go to secular programs that actually work.
TUCC has gotten tax dollars under GWB’s stupid church-state program. Ask Jack Abramoff and Reed about exploiting church groups for political profit. Just because the taxes are earmarked for good deeds doesn’t mean there won’t be “leakage” and quid pro quo. The churches ought to be rejecting this because it compromises them. At this point, I don’t think Obama could spot a basic principle if it sat on him.
And could someone at Chicago University come up with a syllabus from one of these courses he taught. I’d love to know what he was teaching.
He is pandering. Kellie, you haven’t had much life experience or you’d see what a horse’s you know what statement that is.
Sadly no. You are totally wrong about me.
Isn’t it funny how the college educated people seem to go for Obama…I wonder what that means?
Anyway, I worked to put myself through college I was in the Peace Corps from 2002-2004. and I’m sure I have more “life experience” in my 28 years that you will have in your lifetime.
Is Obama perfect? Hell no! Am I going to agree with everything he says? Absolutely not!
But I happen to think he is very intelligent and his vision for the country is MY vision as well. I think he recognizes his short comings and I think he will fill in the gaps with excellent people.
Do I think he will turn this country around in the next 8 years? Not completely. But I think he will get us off to a good start so when Hillary takes over in 2016 we will be in great shape.
It’s the other way around stupid……
Sorry. Hillary will not be running for President in 2008.
Oh wait I forgot! The “Whitey Tape” is coming! Then Barack will be out and Hillary will be in!
This is such a great plan and I’m sooo sure that it will really happen!
strange, I see the letters but they just come across as gibberish. Hitting my PC doesn’t seem to help. Any ideas anyone?
If its a pc, there’s always the emergency Control/ Alt/ Delete.
But I’m not sure how you’re gonna get at her computer.
Very impressive. The beginning of wisdom is realizing how little you know.
Esteemia is the American Pox.
Can you give a date when his vision was your vision because he has done a 180 on many issues. Or is it just the general “hope and change” theme that you like and the issues are just those annoying details, and his associates were just people filling in his “gaps”
You are remarkably immature for a 28 year old, if that is your real age. And perhaps it is, considering that Obama is almost 50 but tries to present himself as young.
First you slander overweight people and housewives; now you are apparently trying to pin the low-information label on us that Obama tries to insult real Hillary supporters with. I would suspect that most of the people on this blog can match your college degree and raise you a couple more. But what you aren’t smart enough to realize is that degrees should not be equated with intelligence, and with or without one or many, everyone on here who is refusing to vote for Obama is smarter than you. The only thing that seems to have come from your “life experience” is an unwarranted high opinion of yourself. Your judgment is as woefully lacking as is Obama’s, but since it appears more people are becoming aware of The Precious One’s inadequacies with each passing day, it really doesn’t matter.
I have an advanced professional degree, meaning that I went to school for several degrees past your bachelor’s degree. I will never vote for Obama because he is unqualified. I thought I knew everything at 28, too, but the intervening decades have taught me otherwise. One of the things I learned along the way was how to spot a con man.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is a child, teach him. He who knows not and knows not that he knows not, he is a fool, shun him. He who knows and knows that he knows, he is wise. Follow him.
Pretty clear you fall into the second category and my proof follows:
1) you think a college degree implies intelligence
2) you believe exit polls when they tell you what you want to hear.
3) you make invalid assumptions about people you don’t know
4) you think a college education and two years in the peace corps is somehow equated with a lifetime of experience.
5) your arrogance is not something found in truly accomplished people.
Saint Augustine:
Humility is the foundation of all the other virtues hence, in the soul in which this virtue does not exist there cannot be any other virtue except in mere appearance.”
ahhh Kellie..I am college educated..I was a flight crew and traveled the world for 33 years..I think I have you beat on experience…oh and my kid is older than you and college educated, as well and going to one of the best Univ in the nation for his MBA…
Why didn’t you go to Iraq Kellie?????????
Seems your Obama doesn’t want to leave there anymore than Bush did or does..why don’t you go ..be all that you can be…or is that peace corp the best you can do????
Many during the Vietnam war hid out there as well.
fly
This so grosses me out. He wants to raise our taxes AND expand faith-based funding. So more of our money goes to Trinity United, Father Pfleger, Jeremiah Wright.
He’ll also give our money to ehonol companies. This guy is going to turn us all into Libertarians.
No, he wants to turn us all into droids of Marxism with the Liberation Theology of his church.
Much simpler even. If government controls religion’s money, it controls religion. Obama’s plan is to get all religious denominations dependent on money from the government. Make the pie big enough and everyone will have to get a piece just to keep up.
You then require certain, non-denominational program participation, (regardless of whether those programs comport to individual denominations) in order to retain funding.
Example:
Federally funded, in-church day care. Sounds good huh?
Now, Funded day care is set up in a Mormon temple lets say, in Provo. The Federal Funding rules tell the Mormons there that the two little Black Muslim kids who are in the program require prayer mats and must be allowed to pray at the Mormon temple. Flack vests are required from here on….
It’s time for Stonewall II: the dumping of Obama.
Let’s out the little fart, shall we? People of Chicago need to come out for America and send this little scumbag back to whatever hole he crawled out of. A crack smokin down low possible murder suspect.
Chicago come on. We’re here for you. Drag queens didn’t push back to have Obama use the gay community as an ash tray. Let’s go folks. Let’s dump Obama.
Hillary in August. Nothing less.
It’s time.
Obama gets worse by the day. How can anyone who claims to be progressive stand behind him?
I do not want a DIME of my money going to religous organizations. People who disagree are free to donate and get the tax deduction–but I am already foced to deal with the overbearing effect of religion in America, I don’t want to be forced to give my hard earned money to it as well. This is sick.
WTF?
You’re money is ALREADY GOING TO RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS! Thank you George Bush. WAKE UP!
I know and I am mad as hell about it–apparently Obama thinks it’s great.
All of our hatred for each other ideas aside, you should really look at what Bush’s Faith Based plan looks like. You may actually think Barrack’s doesn’t look so bad in comparison..
I hope that you are kidding. What is ok about Obama’s plan?
Well first of all under Obama’s plan ANY taxpayer money MUST go to SECULAR causes.
Bush has your tax money funding Christian Summer Camps!
I swear…do you people know nothing about Obama.
You really should read up on him…oh wait, most of you probably can’t read. Sorry!
Hey, can anybody here read what this woman is writing?
Naw, I is to ignerant. I no nuthin bout Obama. Butt if i understand rite, his givin money to church is better than bush.
No really, it’s not making any sense. Somebody throw me a life line here.
Hey Kellie,
Its after 5:00, do you get overtime?
Oh, that’s right! Your Master doesn’t pay ‘girlies’
the same as REAL people. You know… like back at the ol’ TUUC.
Well, here, take a fifteen minute break on us!
We’ll wait.
Sit back, look at your Che’ flag and dream about MoveOn.orgasms.
Why, when you wikipedia the word ‘hypocrite’ does your Master’s picture show up?
Why, whenever anyone asks you a question which obviously condemns your master on a factual matter, do you always resort to the same defense that got you sent to your room without desert?
He is a Marxist. Try responding with evidence proving historically that my statement is false.
What would really be fun would be some anti marxist quotes from his novels.
Novels, BTW are works of fiction.
Please stop with the ad hominem attacks. I believe in the separation between church and state. That does not make me ignorant of Obama’s policies or about anything else.
It is not ok for tax money to support the secular causes of religious organizations.
I thought Obama supporters were voting for hope and change, not more of the same.
“today I am constipated. I am HOPING for CHANGE.”
Why do I continue to read what you useless assholes are writing?
I just have to ask…Do you think John McCain is going to get rid of Bush’s Faith Based programs????
No he’s not, but thats okay with you. Just as long as the big scary black man is not taking your money!
Why would McCain hook up Bush’s freepers? They never did anything for him. You Obama losers always try to equate McCain with Bush and excuse Obama’s fuck-ups by sayin his opponents would have done the same. I figured the new politics BS wouldn’t last long. Since you brought it up… why is anyone voting for Obama besides him being black? How does his being black have anything to do with his being scary?
Is this site being blocked by the Obama People?. I typed in a post and the comment came back stating that I had posted the comment before , “This is a double post you have posted this comment before” it said. First I seldom post on ANY blog, secondly I certainly do not have the time or the inclination to repeat myself. I am not an expert on the computer by any means,so I ask the question because I have been reading that The Obama people were doing some bad things to the blogs that are considered to be anti-Obama
We are making the same mistake that the Republican Party made in 2000 and 2004. This fraudulent election is much, much, bigger than Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. This is part II of the hijacking of the United States government and America itself.
George Bush and Barack Obama are identical. Both are arrogant, inexperienced, simple-minded, egotistical politicians, selected for these very qualities, to acquire the office of the presidency. Bush’s family’s name and Obama’s personality disarmed/disarms their respective parties. Dick Cheney represented the power behind the thrown for Bush while David Alexrod is Obama’s puppet-master.
Real Republicans stood by paralyzed and, in disbelief, as neo-con named agents gutted and reformulated the party, the different branches of government, and the main stream media. This was Part I of seizing control of the largest economy and the mightiest military on earth.
Part II is unfolding before our very eyes this election cycle inside the Democratic Party. If these agents of global dominance succeed again, the American experience will have ended.
This isn’t about race, or class, or party, or gender, or even generational; this is about co-opting our near perfect union for selfish gain.
Are there enough Democrats who will stand up and stop this hijacking of our party?
Even though I am a partisan, just look at the Republican Party and compare it to what it was eight years ago. And, then, listen to long time Republicans who have been marginalized in their own party. Can’t you see the similarities?
If we fall for the obvious traps of race, gender, class, and so forth, instead of recognizing the real threat that’s invading our party, the republic will change into the most toxic Corporatocracy humanly imaginable.
The last days of America: being brought to you by the first Black President and the Democratic Party.
You are dead on.
Agreed.
And the Choir says, “AMEN”
You are 100% correct. Are there enough of us out there to stick to our principles of Democracy and flush the rat bastard down the drain?
I certainly hope so otherwise I’m moving out of this country before the brown shirts come to get us.
David Axelrod figured out how to package Obama. He is not the Cheney to Obama’s Bush. That person has not been introduced yet, but they are there. It will be a person who will “beef up Obama’s national security credentials.”
Let’s see how he wiggles his way out of one misspeak after another on his “crusade”–can’t keep everybody happy when you venture down this religious path because there are too many people with wants and needs. Also, Obama seems horribly misinformed about Evangelical beliefs in his attempts to liken himself to them. Afterall, Reverend Wright, his spiritual mentor of 20+ years didn’t exactly sound like he was pulling from the Good Book most Sundays. lol Now, Obama will need a crash course on Evangelical theology along with all of the other crap he doesn’t know. I’m truly frightened of this guy and what he stands for. How any body in any of these groups can watch him say one thing to them and then something completely different to another and still decide to vote for him is beside me. Especially someone who has been on the national scene for short a period of time.
More money for Rev Wright once again, and I saw a list of organization on FOX this evening that will be gaining from this new Obama’s idea.
Heading the list was ACORN imagine that, I just hope people take off their blinkers with this man.
And how much money would a Black Liberation theology church make?
Also ACORN is at the top of the list. It’s corrupt already.
I guess it’s easier to gin up outrage when you just blatantly lie about Obama’s policy proposals.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandascott/gG5xY3
Emphasis is mine. Hey, that looks like the exact opposite of what you wrote in your lead. Oh well–I guess I don’t come to the site that promoted the Michelle Obama “whitey” tape lie or Larry Sinclair’s preposterous, self-parodying allegations for accurate news.
“Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea – so long as we follow a few basic principles. First, if you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them – or against the people you hire – on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs.”
You are utterly, totally, and completely ignorant. The above paragraph says, “We will fund you. You will not teach anyone anything about your beliefs, inside your own building or out, if any of the money we give you is used.” Tack on a requirement that no religious ornamentation may be allowed in any room used or funded by the government and you have a nation full of community centers and No More Churches.
You are such a simpleton. Wake the f**k up for crying out loud.
I have to admit, this place never ceases to disappoint in terms of people who take leave of their senses whenever anything related to Obama comes up. Or perhaps they had no senses to begin with? It can be hard to tell.
What he’s saying, what you do not understand, even though it is plain enough, is that religious organizations who accept this money for discrete programs that serve some legitimate secular purpose will not be able to proselytize or discriminate in hiring through those federally-funded programs. E.g. a church is running a totally secular English as a second language program, and receives a grant from the federal government. That grant would, under Obama’s proposal, obligate the church to keep that program secular and to hire instructors for that program without reference to their religious beliefs. It would impose absolutely no requirement that the church do or refrain from doing anything with respect to its bona fide religious activities, activities which could not constitutionally be funded by any government entity in any event.
There is a case to be made against this program. It goes something like this: “Why should the government be reaching out to religious groups undertaking community programs, and according those religious groups preferential access to federal funding?” There may be various responses to that. However, you cannot make the case that Obama’s proposal would allow for religious discrimination in federally-funded programs, because, in fact, it would not.
Anon22; Why would the government fund a religious organization for any reason what so ever? How will this money and the instruction be monitored? Perhaps you don’t remember the outrage among Democrats when Bush proposed this idea and don’t remember Ralph Reed? There are many organizations in this country not affiliated with any religious group providing services for everything from the homeless to abused children. He is talking about government funding for any church providing a community service or private school associated with a church and he is saying there will never be religious instruction, prayer, no mention of religious ideas in any form? How exactly will that work? Will this money go to community services provided by UTCC and Fr. Phleger’s programs? Pat Robertson’s? James Dobson’s? I have to admit, even after everything else he has done, I am stunned. This is just completely inexplicable. What’s more confusing is any Democrat defending this idea. The danger of government and religion merging at all is probably unconstitutional at worst and extremely unwise at best. He is pandering for votes among right wing conservatives and the only question now is how much lower can he go?
This is so ludicrous. Pandering to conservatives when he is as far left as you can get. He’s so liberal that he is pro-abortion, voted in favor of partial abortion and the Born Alive Act.
Whether the baby is born at 4 months or 9 months, Obama voted against helping a baby who happened to be born after an abortion. We treat our animals better. A baby can just be thrown in the garbage. No, no, and no.
Although the though of abortion is terrible, why shouldn’t the decision to abort at least be made before they are viable?
Conservatives, please look at his record.
Even the news wonders how Father Fleger can be for Obama when he is so liberal on abortion. This is non-negotiable for Catholics.
see my above comment
Obama is not who everyone thinks he is. He is so bad. Please come over to Larry’s site and read. WE need help now. Let’s get the truth out there:
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
I printed out this article and sent it to my e-mail address. I want to know why mine printed with many foreign font characters which are not seen here in the original?
it only happens to me when I type without my glasses on…
It’s really too bad that BOBO never mentioned his planned expansion of Bush’s faith based programs. He might have lost. LOL I wonder what else his jelloness has up his sleeve?
There’s always room for Jello!
Now I know why he wants to meeting with the leaders of our enemy without any pre-conditions. He needs to pick their brains to make sure he institutes the new American government just like theirs.
The Gunowners will have Blitz against Obama also.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/politics/politico/main4222168.shtml
Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy
I got half way down the thread and was so irritated at the being thrown under the bus as a person then as a spirit. How many ways and times can the same person be thrown under the bus?
Contemplating the further encroachment of American politics into the religious lives of her citizens, I am having an x-file moment.
I would be naive to not understand that money and politics are a reality that is given a constitutional safe harbor. Our founders understood intrinsically the importance of religion in everyday life.
What was not envisioned was a system of religious patronage that was dependent on the State for it’s financial survival.
This is something that Jesus himself railed against.
Proposing these programs is one thing but using them as a political tool is deeply troubling.
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BO wants to pay for it by “better managing” federal properties. Which properties and how is he going to “better manage” them?
Now if we look to what BO was involved in as a State Senator, this means at a minimum “private public” partnerships. We know how that turn out. This would be Pay to Play on steroids with the spirtual welfare of the nation as a hostage.
Thank you for your article. It stuck a nerve.
Arianna Huffington of HuffPo wrote a scathing article about Obama this morning and it was posted on RealClearPolitics.com. The title was something like Senator Obama: the Move to the Middle is Only for Losers.
Actually, I fear the exact opposite: Obama loves him some Doug Kmiec, a guy who makes Sam Alito look like a vegan pacifist pot smoker. Obama also thought Alito and Roberts were just fine and dandy.
This brings me to tne thing I really find confusing here is the criticism of BO as “too left” or “far-left liberal.” This really makes me scratch my head because if he is anything he is a neocon. He’s a product of the far-right-wing U of Chicago, he has consistently–read his book–espoused far-right social and economic policies (look at his economic advisors; look at his plans to privatize social security); he has always had a love affair with extreme right-wing religious views and groups; he advocates many, many ideas that are to the right of even many Republicans! To me that’s the worst thing about him — he really WOULD be a third Bush term!!
When people here say the DNC has been hijacked by the far left, I laugh and say “Don’t I wish!” If that were true, we’d be looking at a Kucinich nomination (and I for one would find that vastly preferable).
A commeter at another blog (I wish I remembered the name because I’d like to give him/her credit) pointed out that Obama basically fools people into thinking he’s a liberal because of his surface (he’s a Dem, he’s a minority, he’s educated, he’s urban) but that if you look underneath, at what he actually says and does, he is a straight neocon. The commenter also noted that BO probably only ran as a Democrat because he figured that even with his straight-neocon views, as a black man, he’d have a harder time in the GOP. That’s a dead-on analysis.
I think some of us have fallen into that same “he’s too liberal!” mindset but it’s false. What he really is — and this is FAR scarier — is a right-wing conservative wrapped in Democrats’ clothing.
Obama caught lying again, on his latest video.Obama says he reformed the welfare programs for jobs,and had the bill signed for the reform. Wrong. The Republicans set the Bill up, and Clinton signed it.
Dick Morris, was on Fox tonite, and said, Mccain should go after Obama on Obama’s latest video,because Obama is not telling the truth to the people about the jobs and welfare.
Mccain go get em