Red Dirt Talk – Part 3, the Positions (2)
By CRAIG DELLA PENNA on July 2, 2008 at 8:00 PM in Barack Obama, Economy, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, Immigration Reform, Nuclear Power, Supreme Court
Previously in this series: “Red Dirt Talk – Part 1, the Setup” and Red Dirt Talk – Part 2, the Positions.”
Health Policy
Obama
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
See Economic policy and advisors, above.
This one’s been gone over so many times that everyone on the planet probably knows it by heart. Fact is, in May of 2007, HRC put out her plan, complete with all the lessons learned from the 1994 debacle (which I must remind everyone again – was torpedoed by Democrats). HRC’s plan very cleverly included a roadmap to single-payer, the ultimate goal. Exactly one week later, just enough time to plagiarize and re-brand, BHO came out with his copycat plan. Except BHO’s plan dispensed with the single-payer option and places the mandatory membership subscriptions firmly in the hands of the private insurance companies – who is this guy working for again?
McCain
Will Reform Health Care Making It Easier For Individuals And Families To Obtain Insurance
Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage
Making Insurance More Portable
Will Encourage And Expand The Benefits Of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) For Families
Cares For The Traditionally Uninsurable
Will Work With States To Establish A Guaranteed Access Plan
Bromides from the (R) side of the aisle. It’s glaringly obvious that McCain doesn’t give a rat’s ass about health care except in the context of preventing any public poaching of private party property (alliteration anyone?).
Energy Policy
Obama
Next in the examination chamber is Energy Policy, below are the BHO talking points
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
Invest in a Clean Energy Future
Support Next Generation Biofuels
Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
More valueless drivel on a large scale. First, the chances of us reducing carbon emissions 80% by 2050 are vanishingly small (except for the small possibility mentioned below). Even if we did, by 2050 China and India will be producing 2 to 3 times our present CEs. This is not a US problem it is a global problem and must be addressed in that context. BHO utterly fails to address this.
Second, biofuels is a counter-productive deadend as is already becoming painfully apparent: fill your tank, starve a neighbor. BHOs reliance on pop solutions to real problems is emblematic of his incompetence.
Another personal rant: We need to bite the bullet – it’s time to dump petroleum. Take the $150 billion BHO proposes to enable the unsupportable biofuels economy and put it into nailing down hydrogen fuel cell technology. Find better, cheaper ways to crack seawater into its constituent parts. Hydrogen for clean burning fuel, oxygen gets liberated into the atmosphere and BTW we stop pumping thousands of tons of carbon into the sky. I could go on…
McCain
From his Lexington Project:
Expanding Domestic Oil Exploration and Use Domestic Supplies
Clean Car Challenge
Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles Supports Flex fuel and Ethanol
Goes Green, Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies
Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants
Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D
Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power
Cap-And-Trade System That Would Set Limits On Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Surprisingly, this looks to be a well thought out program combining accepted concepts such as Cap and Trade and Clean Coal initiatives. I like the tax credit idea and the emphasis on low carbon power. Not so much the expanded domestic oil stuff (can you say ANWAR?) but I want to talk for a moment about nuclear power.
It seems to be an article of faith in the leftie community that nuclear=bad. We need to stop engaging in knee-jerk responses to this. Yes, older nuclear designs were primitive and overly complex, some were even inherently dangerous, Chernobyl is the poster child for that. Yes, there is a problem with disposing of nuclear waste – but not an insoluble one. Yes, fission reactors are really only a way-station on the road to fusion. All stipulated. But. Let’s look at nuclear power with our critical thinking caps on, this is the Red Dirt Talk after all…
Nuclear Myth #1: All those nuclear power plants are creating more and more radioactivity all the time.
No, Johnny, only a very few nuclear reactors actually create new fissile material – fast breeder reactors, and even then they create the plutonium from uranium as it transforms to lead (this transforming takes a very, very long time). Mostly what reactors do is just transfer radioactivity from one place to another (see Nuclear Myth # 2 for more on this) Bad point here, fast breeder reactors are what you want to build when you want to make weapons-grade radioactives. Extended point: there is radioactive material all over the planet with a high concentration in Africa (remember the Niger Yellowcake?). There is even some speculation that high radioactivity levels in Africa are responsible for mutations that led to the development of Homo Sapiens.
Nuclear Myth # 2: That nasty nuclear waste will just sit around forever making everything glow in the dark.
Well, yes and no… if you pick a remote place that is geologically stable (say Yucca Mountain) and sequester the waste in sealed glass containers and then store them several thousand feet underground in salt formations, you will get the glow in the dark scenario, but if you think critically about it there is a handy solution – take a deep breath here, assumptions are about to be challenged: go out into the middle of the ocean and build a floating launch facility, put your nuclear waste in a rocket and shoot it into the Sun. The Sun will know what to do with it. Yes, we’ve actually been sending nuclear materials into space for years. No, it’s not inherently more dangerous than burying it in salt mines. Yes, rockets used to be famously unreliable and would blow up at the drop of a hat. No, that’s no longer the case… did I mention that the launch takes place in the middle of the ocean?
Nuclear Myth # 3: All nuclear plants are unsafe.
They used to be exactly that, especially idiot designs like the open graphite reactors the USSR dotted all over the landscape. The fact is that many countries have relied on nuclear power for a substantial portion of their energy needs for decades (see France). They have developed new, simpler, inherently safe-by-design nuclear reactors, Pebble Bed reactors for instance. We in the US get about 14 percent of our energy from nuclear reactors. They’re here, they’re staying, they’re getting safer all the time – get over it.
Nonetheless, there is a salient point here: fission is inherently dangerous by virtue of the fact that you have to gather relatively large amounts of radioactive material together in order to make it work at all.
So what’s the solution? Glad you asked: fusion. This holy grail of energy production has been pursued by every capable agency on the planet for over fifty years. Why doesn’t it work? Actually it does, the latest Tokamak reactor produces about 102% energy output from energy input – not very impressive. What is even more unimpressive (more unimpressive?) is the paucity of R+D spending on fusion research. In the decade of the ’90s the total R+D investment by all the IEA members (the US, EU and Japan) totaled US $8.9 billion – total – for, essentially, all the countries of the world – combined – for ten years. Plainly we’re not serious yet about energy independence, when we are, we’ll know it because we’ll be putting in about $100 billion per year into R+D and pilot production and ramping up to bringing fusion online to the grid.
Why should you be happy about this? Here’s the interesting thing about fusion: if it breaks, it turns off; if you make a mistake, it turns off; if the bad guys get in and blow something up, it turns off. No muss, no fuss, no lingering evil cloud, no China Syndrome, no cancer down the line – no radioactivity.
It. Just. Turns. Off.
Did I mention that Exxon made US $40 Billion in profits… this year?
Immigration
Obama
Create Secure Borders
Improve Our Immigration System
Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
Bring People Out of the Shadows
Work with Mexico
Once again, BHO doesn’t have strong positions on this, though I must say that cracking down on employers who hire illegals would go a long way to solving the problem outright.
McCain
Secure borders
Welcomes immigrants and guest workers
This is a McCain signature issue, he’s been highly visible out front on this and has garnered the respect of Hispanics in Mexico as well as the US.
Space Program
Obama
Zero, zip, nada on his website, however his previous position (stated multiple times) was idiotic Go here for a deeper look at this)
Essentially BHO’s opinion is that the Constellation program (our next generation space vehicle system) should take a break for, oh, say about 5 years so that he can funnel NASA funding into – education (paging Bill Ayers). Seriously, he’s gonna bring the US$240 billion/year space industry to a grinding halt for 5 years… and then just flip the switch on ‘em and crank it up again!?!
McCain
Strong supporter of NASA, the space industry, exploration, science, truth, justice and the American way – on this one anyway.
Supreme Court
Obama
Nothing on website, vaguely supports Roe v Wade and claims that: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.”
Apparently, BHO – the constitutional scholar, is off eating waffles somewhere.
McCain
Strict Constructionist
Supported Alito and Roberts
Well, he’s a Republican. What you see is what you get here.
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Given the current deficit yep- cut the Space Programme and make it truly Private Sector. Even Virgin Airlines are launching a space programme and if the subsidies were not not there the satellites would still be going up.
Who gives a shite what you think. You can’t even VOTE for your empty suit fake plastic jesus.
You area a snore.
The only space program Obama has is between his substantive ears.
Right. One of the top law schools in the country always hires airheads to teach constitutional law.
Speaking of the constitution. Why didn`t he know this little fact.
More lack of international knowledge:
One might expect a Constitutional law expert to understand the historical record of the Nuremberg trials, especially if using them as an example in his speeches. Unfortunately, Barack Obama showed his lack of preparation yet again in Pennsylvania as he praised the Boumediene decision by the Supreme Court last week. Obama claimed that it represented a return to American values as represented by the Nuremberg trials — which actually didn’t allow habeas corpus through American civil courts at all:
Obama a former senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, cited “that principle of habeas corpus, that a state can’t just hold you for any reason without charging you and without giving you any kind of due process — that’s the essence of who we are. I mean, you remember during the Nuremberg trials, part of what made us different was even after these Nazis had performed atrocities that no one had ever seen before, we still gave them a day in court and that taught the entire world about who we are but also the basic principles of rule of law. Now the Supreme Court upheld that principle yesterday.”
(Though Obama was clearly referring to the principle of giving criminals a day in court, it’s worth pointing out the distinction here, that the Nuremberg trials did not give Nazi war criminals access to U.S. courts, but to a special international military tribunal created by the U.S., USSR, France and the U.K. Though Nuremberg currently is considered a model for international law, it’s not as if Rudolph Hess had access to challenge his detention in U.S. federal court.)
You are really overly literal. Obama wasn’t talking about access to US courts, but to due process in courts. Gitmo prisoners didn’t have any substantial due process.
Gee, you don`t suppose that`s because they are not
Who is they? You have an unclear referent.
You have an unclear reasoning process, as evidenced by the fact that you “believe” Obama.
believe always likes to make these “who are they” comments, its like her thing…maybe that’s what she’s famous for down at Obamacentral,Chicago, ILL. Who are they? Believe, how do you think they are? Are they the ones we’ve been waiting for?
It would be interesting to hear from several of his former students to see how much they learned from him…
I am sure that he was a wonderful lecturer…
was there any substance in his lectures that you could actually use?
with all those friends on the faculty, being a “lecturer” …no big.
I can draw on board a white board too.
His version of the Constitution is BLT.
as far as airheads…that is EXACTLY what they did.
Are still here? you have no respect here. How is your Asian Prime Minister coming along?
Is there any blogs in the UK you can post on? It is kind of irritating when someone from outside the US posts on political things in the US
I read this about poor UKdems blogs, poor bloke, no good blogs in the UK
Political blog coverage in the UK lags well behind that in the US, two of the web’s newest online publishers have claimed.
UK blogs have failed to replicate the success of powerful and influential US political sites like Wonkette and Politico because of the lack of a ‘developed’ online community this side of the Atlantic, Lloyd Shepherd and Andrew Levy, co-founders of Messy Media, told Journalism.co.uk.
I guess when the bloke has no good blogs in his country he has to come to our blogs and blab.
Well, there are more important thing in life than American Idol…
Here us an eye opener. The world problems are brewing. Who is paying attention?
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=573
please excuse my typos
Privatize the space program! Are you sure you aren’t a libertarian Republican? Jeez. Even Ron Paul supports the space program. Never mind.
Obama hired Clinton’s top health care policy advisor and this, along with his interest in getting very strong support from Clinton and from Elizabeth Edwards, will lead him to make his plan more like Clinton’s.
Meanwhile, McCain wants employers to get rid of health coverage so we can all buy our own health insurance!
You can’t possibly be that stupid. Do you think Oblahma is going to give you free health insurance? Hmmmm?
That’s not his proposal, so no, I don’t think that.
And that wasn’t Clinton’s proposal either, not for people in my income range.
However, a lot of folks will get coverage when you expand Medicare, as should occur.
And I think all SHOULD get it, just like every other industrialized country in the world. And those countries have greater levels of satisfaction in their health systems and also much better health outcomes (morbidity and mortality).
Uh, so what is the problem with buying your own health insurance? Are you skerred? Or are you too lazy and you want the government to do it for you.
Huh? Most people can’t afford to buy their own insurance. In the rest of the industrialized world people don’t do that and they have a much better system, one which people like more and where people are much healthier and people live longer.
Oh sweetie, you are so ignorant just like your Barry.
You specifically said We will all have to buy our own health insurance.
Then you backtracked and admitted it wasn’t going to be free under Barry’s plan.
Now you are back to saying most people can’t afford to buy their own. So who exactly is going to pay for their insurance since you said it wasn’t free?
You are completely ignorant to think you’re going to get free or cheap health insurance via the government. Someone pays, just as long as it’s not you, right? Lazy POS.
I wrote that under McCain’s plan we would all be responsible for our health insurance. Why?
McCain has a plan to phase out employer-paid health insurance. He also wants to reduce Medicare and Medicaid.
This shifts coverage to individuals, which he has explicitly said he wants to do.
I never said that Obama would provide “free health insurance” because under his plan, health care would paid by individuals, by employers, and by the government. However, more would be covered by subsidies and mandates.
Now, you seem to dislike government picking up health care costs. I don’t. It’s done all through the world with superior health outcomes than we have. And it would be affordable if we weren’t paying for this stupid war.
Who the Fuck do you think the government is you imbecile.
Yep. I’m fine with paying taxes so that people get health coverage. I’d rather not pay taxes for a stupid war.
How about you?
“Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
You think the government is the answer to all life’s problems. How sad. Just because one doesn’t have health insurance we should run and cry to the government?
If you think gov health care is so friggin great, why do all those Canadians come here for superior health care?
You get what you pay for, Einstein and again, IT WON’T BE FREE UNDER BARRY’S PLAN OR EVEN HILLARY’S PLAN so get over it.
So typical of a bot to lie. Good thing I looked it up on Mac’s site. I admit, the health insurance issue isn’t one of my voting priorities. ‘believe’ is a liar. Here is McCain on health care:
Straight Talk on
Health System Reform
A “Call to Action”
John McCain believes we can and must provide access to health care for every American. He has proposed a comprehensive vision for achieving that. For too long, our nation’s leaders have talked about reforming health care. Now is the time to act.
Americans Are Worried About Health Care Costs. The problems with health care are well known: it is too expensive and 47 million people living in the United States lack health insurance.
John McCain’s Vision for Health Care Reform
John McCain Believes The Key To Health Care Reform Is To Restore Control To The Patients Themselves. We want a system of health care in which everyone can afford and acquire the treatment and preventative care they need. Health care should be available to all and not limited by where you work or how much you make. Families should be in charge of their health care dollars and have more control over care.
Making Health Insurance Innovative, Portable and Affordable
John McCain Will Reform Health Care Making It Easier For Individuals And Families To Obtain Insurance. An important part of his plan is to use competition to improve the quality of health insurance with greater variety to match people’s needs, lower prices, and portability. Families should be able to purchase health insurance nationwide, across state lines.
John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit – effectively cash – of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.
John McCain Proposes Making Insurance More Portable. Americans need insurance that follows them from job to job. They want insurance that is still there if they retire early and does not change if they take a few years off to raise the kids.
John McCain Will Encourage And Expand The Benefits Of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) For Families. When families are informed about medical choices, they are more capable of making their own decisions and often decide against unnecessary options. Health Savings Accounts take an important step in the direction of putting families in charge of what they pay for.
A Specific Plan of Action: Ensuring Care for Higher Risk Patients
John McCain’s Plan Cares For The Traditionally Uninsurable. John McCain understands that those without prior group coverage and those with pre-existing conditions have the most difficulty on the individual market, and we need to make sure they get the high-quality coverage they need.
John McCain Will Work With States To Establish A Guaranteed Access Plan. As President, John McCain will work with governors to develop a best practice model that states can follow – a Guaranteed Access Plan or GAP – that would reflect the best experience of the states to ensure these patients have access to health coverage. One approach would establish a nonprofit corporation that would contract with insurers to cover patients who have been denied insurance and could join with other state plans to enlarge pools and lower overhead costs. There would be reasonable limits on premiums, and assistance would be available for Americans below a certain income level.
John McCain Will Promote Proper Incentives. John McCain will work with Congress, the governors, and industry to make sure this approach is funded adequately and has the right incentives to reduce costs such as disease management, individual case management, and health and wellness programs.
A Specific Plan of Action: Lowering Health Care Costs
John McCain Proposes A Number Of Initiatives That Can Lower Health Care Costs. If we act today, we can lower health care costs for families through common-sense initiatives. Within a decade, health spending will comprise twenty percent of our economy. This is taking an increasing toll on America’s families and small businesses. Even Senators Clinton and Obama recognize the pressure skyrocketing health costs place on small business when they exempt small businesses from their employer mandate plans.
CHEAPER DRUGS: Lowering Drug Prices. John McCain will look to bring greater competition to our drug markets through safe re-importation of drugs and faster introduction of generic drugs.
CHRONIC DISEASE: Providing Quality, Cheaper Care For Chronic Disease. Chronic conditions account for three-quarters of the nation’s annual health care bill. By emphasizing prevention, early intervention, healthy habits, new treatment models, new public health infrastructure and the use of information technology, we can reduce health care costs. We should dedicate more federal research to caring and curing chronic disease.
COORDINATED CARE: Promoting Coordinated Care. Coordinated care – with providers collaborating to produce the best health care – offers better outcomes at lower cost. We should pay a single bill for high-quality disease care which will make every single provider accountable and responsive to the patients’ needs.
GREATER ACCESS AND CONVENIENCE: Expanding Access To Health Care. Families place a high value on quickly getting simple care. Government should promote greater access through walk-in clinics in retail outlets.
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY: Greater Use Of Information Technology To Reduce Costs. We should promote the rapid deployment of 21st century information systems and technology that allows doctors to practice across state lines.
MEDICAID AND MEDICARE: Reforming The Payment System To Cut Costs. We must reform the payment systems in Medicaid and Medicare to compensate providers for diagnosis, prevention and care coordination. Medicaid and Medicare should not pay for preventable medical errors or mismanagement.
SMOKING: Promoting The Availability Of Smoking Cessation Programs. Most smokers would love to quit but find it hard to do so. Working with business and insurance companies to promote availability, we can improve lives and reduce chronic disease through smoking cessation programs.
STATE FLEXIBILITY: Encouraging States To Lower Costs. States should have the flexibility to experiment with alternative forms of access, coordinated payments per episode covered under Medicaid, use of private insurance in Medicaid, alternative insurance policies and different licensing schemes for providers.
TORT REFORM: Passing Medical Liability Reform. We must pass medical liability reform that eliminates lawsuits directed at doctors who follow clinical guidelines and adhere to safety protocols. Every patient should have access to legal remedies in cases of bad medical practice but that should not be an invitation to endless, frivolous lawsuits.
TRANSPARENCY: Bringing Transparency To Health Care Costs. We must make public more information on treatment options and doctor records, and require transparency regarding medical outcomes, quality of care, costs and prices. We must also facilitate the development of national standards for measuring and recording treatments and outcomes.
Confronting the Long-Term Challenge
John McCain Will Develop A Strategy For Meeting The Challenge Of A Population Needing Greater Long-Term Care. There have been a variety of state-based experiments such as Cash and Counseling or The Program of All-Inclusive Care for the Elderly (PACE) that are pioneering approaches for delivering care to people in a home setting. Seniors are given a monthly stipend which they can use to hire workers and purchase care-related services and goods. They can get help managing their care by designating representatives, such as relatives or friends, to help make decisions. It also offers counseling and bookkeeping services to assist consumers in handling their programmatic responsibilities.
Setting the Record Straight: Covering Those With Pre-Existing Conditions
MYTH: Some Claim That Under John McCain’s Plan, Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Would Be Denied Insurance.
FACT: John McCain Supported The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act In 1996 That Took The Important Step Of Providing Some Protection Against Exclusion Of Pre-Existing Conditions.
FACT: Nothing In John McCain’s Plan Changes The Fact That If You Are Employed And Insured You Will Build Protection Against The Cost Of Any Pre-Existing Condition.
FACT: As President, John McCain Would Work With Governors To Find The Solutions Necessary To Ensure Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Are Able To Easily Access Care.
Combating Autism in America
John McCain is very concerned about the rising incidence of autism among America’s children and has continually supported research into its causes and treatment. Click here to learn more.
That’s not the full plan. And you have to read the health care briefing papers the McCain campaign prepared and used to brief health policy folks.
blahblahblahblaha.
Link or lie.
P.S.
Why do you keep saying “folks”
That you Barry?
Where can I read them? Please link.
And given my income and coverage now, I would think that I’ll be paying taxes for others to get coverage while still getting money from my employer (under Obama’s plan). That’s perfectly cool with me. I consider it to be a shared responsibility to provide health care and see health care as a right.
You evidently think that only some should get health care coverage. Most Americans and most Democrats disagree with you.
You evidently think that the government should pay for your health insurance and it’s a birth right. What next for your lazy arse? You want free housing too? Oh wait..
Yes, I do think health care is a right and a shared responsibility. It’s like that in the entire industrialized world and they have superior health outcomes.
You sure don’t sound like a Democrat with your views. I mean, really, every Democrat since Harry Truman has pursued an expansion of health care.
I’ve traveled to many countries and I have to say not one single country outside of the US has more McDonalds than we do per capita, or more junk food. People here rarely exercise either. I’ve walked up the hills with 80 year olds in Jimena de la Frontera, Spain. Try getting a computer addicted gamer with 40 BMI kid to do that. We are an OBESE nation that is where your problem lays. Stop looking at the government to fix your personal problems. Take responsibility for yourself. Me me me me. Wow, suxs to be you.
And I am a Dem, thank you very much. Just not a BOT.
This is why I sometimes question if Obama ever was a food stamp kid like he claimed. The government medical program for low-income people is very inefficient and the quality of care is not good.
Did you see that video of the poor woman lying in the waiting room, dying, and the staff people just ignored her and let it happen? That happened in a county hospital. The quality of our county hospitals is horrible. Even poor uninsured people try to drive an extra mile bleeding to get to the emergency room of a private hospital. Expanding that type of system is not a good idea.
America has some of the best doctors. That’s why rich people from other countries come here for serious medical problems. If the government takes over the medical system, many bright minds will choose to enter other fields. This has happened in many of the countries with government run medical systems.
believe, don’t hold your breath for Obama’s health care. Any program not including mandatory participation will not work and I’m sure he knows it and has never had any intention of implementing it anyway. So you can remain secure in your millions and will not be forced to pay anything for the poor who can’t afford health care for themselves or their families.
This is the second comment I have seen where you refered to your wealth. My mama always told me it is very bad manners to discuss money. I guess your mama didn’t tell you that? Anyway, here is a link explaining the phoney health care program Obama is claiming will help the poor and sick in this country. If you don’t like links, ask your maid or butler to pull it up for you.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/
Which country with the better system of health treatments and outcomes did Ted Kennedy go to for his brain tumor operation?
If you look at health data for populations, the morbidity and mortality rates for the US are midrange, below virtually every industrialized country.
And, of course Ted Kennedy can get the best care available in the US. He is wealthy. That has nothing to do with health outcomes across nations.
Bullshit! I know someone in NC that went to Ted’s same dr for surgery after brain cancer. This family is far FAR from wealthy. You talk out of your ass.
They scary part is they want to run our country.
And that has nothing to do with health outcomes across nations either.
Huh?
Believe,
I am sorry you cant make us believe we are older and wiser than you but keep posting and you might learn’
we have all been though that phase where everybody older does not know shit.
The British that can afford it are now opting out of NHS and paying for their own private insurance because the level of care under NHS has deteriorated badly.
Well, NHS is not a good system. However that’s hardly the only model for comprehensive, universal health care in the world. The Dutch, Belgian, German and Norweigen systems are more to my liking.
You know how much the German’s pay? My husband is from Berlin and he paid approx 15% of his gross income per month for the health insurance in Germany.
Do you know how long they have to wait and the amount of paperwork they have to go through to get approval for basic procedures?
and you have to book a bed in the delivery room at least 12 months in advance.
Actually very little is wrong with the NHS – now in its 60th year. How long have you had free at the point of use universal health care? Oh you do not.
We spend less per capita on healthcare than the US and have better health outcomes. For serious or major operations there are no waiting lists. For non serious operations there are waiting lists of no more than 3 months. There are no endless forms and everyone has 24 hour access to a GP – free.
There are charges (for prescriptions and dental treatment), but the poorest and pensioners do not pay them. There is a flourishing (and much cheaper than the US) private health care system.
That is not what I have heard…
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4252092.ece
guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jun/04/nhs.health2
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-544112/Lung-patients-condemned-death-NHS-withdraws-expensive-drugs.html
metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=127814&in_page_id=34
That’s just a sample of some of the stories out there.
Please keep posting, you might learn something our pay is not good but you can get a job outside of school. and not have to have the guilt you voted and promoted Obama.
Believe you just shot your arguement in the foot. Hurray you need medical attention pronto!
what you say? Your not as wealthy as Kennedy? You are told that you will have to choose which finger you want?
My point is the medical care for Kennedy should be the same for the illegal immagrant I saaw being told by the doctor he could not stay after they patched him up.
Money should not determine the quality of care.
Quit bleeding all over the thread.
Put Obamas Healthcare plan in one hand and a pile of shit in the other and see which grows first. Obamas Healthcare plan is a ruse, a farce, we here in Illinois are still waiting for Obamas last healthcare plan. Where is it Obama ? YOU want me to jump for joy over your healthcare plan when the first plan was BS?
And I don’t buy my own insurance now. My employer pays most of the cost for it and I chip in a bit. I’m very lucky that I have that deal; a lot of people don’t, particularly people who have chronic illnesses or a history of cancer.
My god are you ignorant. You honestly don’t think you’re paying for it 100%? Hahahaha! Sweetie, human resources is making you pick up the cost alright, they are just giving you less pay.
Actually, I took that into account when I negotiated my salary package. When I compared it to other jobs for my education and experience, I figured out how to make the numbers work for me. So, well, I have great coverage and a fine salary, too.
How about you?
I’m under 30 and retired. Sold my minority shareholder stock 2 years ago in a large manufacturing company that I was VP and Secretary of.
I have great coverage and have started my own charitable trust, however we don’t give to lazy people like you.
I work more than full-time and have health insurance. And most people who DON’T have health insurance also work full-time.
Sure you do, sweetie.
What, were you 4 when Hillary fought for single payer? Don’t you understand that she had the COURAGE to almost martyr her career for the cause that you have no historical insight about.
Some of us are mentally ill and can’t afford it because of pre-existing conditions.
Believe, where did you go? Does OB’s plan have nothing to say about the mentally ill?
Well, believe, I was almost convinced you really feel their pain. So silly of me. I hope your “package” is secure enough to survive if Obama becomes president.
Bella… lol…I pretend to work. They pretend to pay me.
Hehehehe… that you Obama?
Clinton’s plan was not to expand Medicare; that’s what Obama wants to do. She wanted to make the healthcare that Congress enjoys available to all Americans. People could choose their own plans or keep the ones they were happy with.
You can argue from now until Obama’s defeat in November, but the bottom line is that no matter what pretty promises Obama makes or puts on his website, he is a liar and a flip-flopper, so we don’t really have any idea what he would do if elected — except put a lot of people like Rezko and Ayers in charge of our government.
Mrs. Obama is making money from the Health care system — so much that Mr.&Mrs. Obama can buy a Mansion.
Obama has NO (zero) interest in universal health care — he would lose his gravy train express.
Obama is a fraud — he is in the Green (money) class and he wants more of the green stuff — he could care less about any of the issues listed in this article. I doubt he spends any time at all trying to understand the problems — he’ll merely copy from someone else.
He is not creative and he is not a deep thinker. All Obama thinks about is Obama — he is by, for and about Obama (or whatever his real name is).
I would like the government to give me a tax credit to buy my own private health insurance. If they said I had to join one of several government funded private insurance plans, that would be okay too. If I ever find myself unemployed or too poor to pay taxes, I hope the government will still let me sign on to one of those private plans at little or no cost until I get back on my feet. What I don’t want is for the government to take my taxes and force a DMV-style health care system on me. Rich politicians have the money, clout, and connections to get better care and access while I get a number, fill out lots of forms, and wait and wait and wait….no thank you.
Obamaba will lose big time in November hahahaha
Of course Obama will lose — sane people won’t and can’t vote for Obama. And most people in the US are sane — the exceptions are the Obamabutt trolls. Perhaps the trolls should lobby for mental health care coverage — but then I’d bet anything that the sucker trolls aren’t getting health insurance.
go look at the AOL straw poll- all 50 states are red!
Do you know what a straw poll is?
It’s a poll that has no way of getting a representative sample. That’s what the Literary Digest used when they predicted a big landslide for Roosevelt’s opponent. Then FDR won all states except for ME and VT (which were strong Republican states then).
So who would care what a straw poll would say? You got to look at a) broadly representative national polls and b) state polls.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Ooooh. Look. Obama is ahead, just like President Kerry was. Oh, nevermind.
Well, of course polls can change. However, actually Kerry wasn’t ahead in July 2004.
And straw polls are the exemplar of worthless trash.
Funny how you Obamabutts opinion of polls changes depending on how The Messiah is doing.
And, apologies for pointing out you are just as full of crap as your Messiah, but the compilation of polls in July 2004 shows President Kerry leading Bush 291 to 247 electoral votes.
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2004/jul/jul08.html
And look — President Kerry is even further ahead (298 to 231) in November, well, until that nasty old election.
At least Obama will have all those losers who helped him steal the nomination to console him in his time of grief when he loses just like they did (only probably even worse).
Thank you, believe, for providing some humor to this serious discussion. Does anyone here know more than you? A straw poll is like taking your temperature every day. Don’t you wonder when Obama will heat up? Straw polls are automated which some statisticians believe create more accuracy.
Have you noticed how the RealClear polls are an average of all polling data? During the course of the primaries, the low to high spread was as much as fifteen to twenty percent. I wonder why they didn’t discard the high and low before they averaged? Zogby is usually included and they should be eliminated completely since the son of the founder is a vocal Obama supporter.
I wouldn’t want to accuse them of tricking the numbers, but before one Primary, they showed Obama in the lead by ten percent and if you looked up the previous polls after the primary, they showed Hillary leading by ten which was the actual outcome.
Oh well, I’m sure you can explain the discrepancy because you are so smart and so rich.
I look at straw polls as a measurement of enthusiasm. People who will take the time out to do it will probably take the time out to vote, to volunteer for his or her candidate, to get others out to vote, etc. It is good to see so many people are enthusiastic supporters of McCain.
believe — except for one thing — Obama is a liar. How can you believe a liar?
Most of the things you call lies are not lies.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Yes they are. Just a variation on the old joke. How do you tell Obama is lying? His lips are moving.
So good Marcy.
Thank you.
caligirl–from your mouth to God’s ears.
Cutting the space program should be a deal breaker for anyone. Cutting entitlements that are now 65% of the annual budget are are growing is where the cuts should come from.
Obama has sponsored the Global Poverty Act in the Senate, hopefully that one never gets out of Committee. That would create yet another boondoggle entitlement for the UN, not the US , to spread around on poverty reduction programs. We all know what a great custodian the UN is of money. We would be lucky to see one tenth of one cent out of every dollar reach the needy recipient.
It’s great that Exxon Mobil made $40b in profits. That’s were the money comes from for investing in R&D for new energy technologies and building those nuclear plants. A company can not invest what it does not earn, and companies are in the business of staying in business, so they will invest. If you don’t believe the oil companies are interested in investing in new non-oil technologies for their own future, one need only look to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.
Cutting the space program would be a bad idea verging on suicidal. Who is ready to do without long term weather forecasts? Or GPS? Or even satellite TV (which describes most of it outside of the local channels)? One other point – the space program is responsible for much medical technology and even the inventions leading up to the computers we use to read these posts and enter our replies. All of this is done with a small fraction of the federal budget. Does any sane person want to throw this away?
There is a reason China, India, and Russia are all investing in their space programs. I think of the space program as part of our national defense so I don’t see ignoring it or cutting funding for it. McCain understands the importance to our economy and security to explore space.
I am not surprised Obama has NO plan for space. Watch him come up with something now though. He has to pretend like he cares in the general election to get moderates and independent voters. His disregard for the space programs is the same type of attitude that has led us into the oil crisis we are in today. Obama has NO clue, NO solutions, only grandiose speeches day after day about himself…his patriotism, his dignity, his national service, his faith, etc.
It’s a lot of jobs, too. We can’t even fill all the space jobs, or at least we couldn’t a decade ago. A friend of mine works for NASA in LA. He is getting his US citizenship, because they told him the government is cutting back on visas. He has worked for NASA almost ten years (nanotechnology.) I can’t imagine what cutting the space program would do to the economy.
Good point about all the jobs. It would be sad if we let another industry die in this country. It really is about our economic and national security as well as the progress of human understanding about the world we live in.
Listening to his national service speech, I wonder why he thinks only that type of labor helps the world or mankind? Aerospace contributes a lot to society.
Well believe if you think we should all get health insurance then you couldn’t possibly be supporting Obamba because that is not his policy. That was Hillary’s.
No, it wasn’t Hillary’s. Hillary wanted everyone to buy private insurance and she would have fined people if they didn’t.
And I don’t think Obama’s proposal (nor Clinton’s) is exactly the one I would put in place. But I also think they are both far, far better than McCain’s. I’m supporting the candidate who is closer to what I prefer, not the one who has a terrible health care policy.
Can’t you stop lying about Hillary? Her program made affordable care available to everyone and required them to get it. That crap about “she’s going to fine you” made solely to scare low-income people into thinking Obama gave a shit about them was scummy then, and it’s still scummy since the old boys in the Party Formerly Known as Democratic raped and murdered her campaign.
Have you no decency? Okay, that’s a stupid question. You obviously don’t, since you are on here lying.
McCain ‘08. Hillary ‘12. Stephanie Tubbs Jones ‘20. Chelsea ‘28. Obama never.
You really bought the farm with that one.
“fined people”?
I have been meaning to do a blog on Obama’s bogus health care No Plan.
Obama’s Health care plan is useless and, in fact, keeps things exactly the way they are.
For starters, in deference to Health Care Insurers, Obama says that he isn’t going to “interfere with states”– as if the states are going to do the magic changey thing. Whomever put his plan together either has woefully inadequate knowledge of how States operate–or is in the pocket of the Health Care Insurers. In MANY states, the state legislators are in the back pocket of health care insurers. Barack Obama clearly also does not know that some states forbid by law that their residents cross state lines to get health insurance cheaper. This means they not only cannot purchase “congressional health care plan” Obama says will be an “option,” but they cannot shop beyond the state. This means that health care insurers in these states will happily gobble up any “Supplementary incentives” and STILL continue to raise rates– and the state ‘leaders’ won’t do a thing about it. Leaving things to the states is tantamount to leaving things just as they are.
And telling someone proudly that you will reduce the yearly cost of health insurance by $2500 shows a REAL lack of understanding of exactly how much a single pay health insurance policy costs. I am convinced that Obama hasn’t got Clue One about what a single pay health care policy costs, because he is so accustomed to getting government freebee insurance of the best kind. In my state, you would pay 2k Per Month for a family HMO policy that will surely let you die if you sign on and get sick. And that’s a fact. I can assure you that a family that can’t afford $24,000 a year cannot afford $21,500 a year. A single pay for a single person for that same policy is roughly $900 per month.
Giving “incentives” to states is tantamount to giving the health insurers another freebee, while they still raise the rates double digits to make up for the people Barack Obama says don’t have to get insurance if they don’t want to. Somebody has to pay for them. That means the rest of us. That means higher rates. Much higher rates.
I won’t even get into the fact that he has said NOTHING specific about how he intends to reduce cost that will stop Health care insurers from raising rates yearly over the already obnoxious rates.
This is not universal health care at all. It is a No Health Care Plan. The 50 million people who are not insured now won’t be able to be insured under Barky’s plan either. They won’t be able to afford it even with his pissant $2500 promise. In fact, John McCain will give me a $5k write off. Hell, I’m better of with his plan.
Worthless. Simply Worthless. Obama should be laughed off the platform when he talks about his No Plan.
Multiple misrepresentations, whether willful or not.
And in any case, with Clinton’s health care policy advisor working for him now and Elizabeth Edwards and HRC on board, the plan will get closer to what Clinton proposed soon.
I am so glad you’re back to answer: What the hell does “believe” mean?
Too funny! After Obama used Republican tactics to attack Hillary’s plan, now he wants to copy it.
What a FRAUD!
They’re all politicians. I sure didn’t expect any different.
And if you’re waiting for a perfect candidate, good luck!
We’re not waiting for the perfect candidate. We’re just going to vote for the one who’s not a lying sack of shit.
McCain ‘08. Hillary ‘12. Stephanie Tubbs Jones ‘20. Chelsea ‘28. Obama never.
McCain is a major league flip-flopper:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html
It took McCain years to change his positions.
LOL It took BOBO the month of June.
And sometimes he can do it two or three times within five minutes. But the Obamabutts are so stupid they think that’s a good thing — look, he’s more two-faced than McCain. How kewl!
HEY ASSHOLE — nobody reads this cut and past — we skip past the obamabutt crap.
Well you do not – I guess it must be hard to when you have to look through a white sheet.
I agree with Wild Child that McCain’s position has evolved over time while Obama’s positions have flipped-flopped in a matter of days and weeks (since the primary ended to be exact).
Most of that list is inaccurate. Take the storage of nuclear waste at Yucca. McCain went to Nevada where there is strong opposition to nuclear power and told the voters he would build 45 nuclear power plants by 2030, in addition to the development of other alternative power. Obama said he was against nuclear power, now he said he might be for it if…but maybe not, blah, blah, blah,
Recently, McCain said that if the world agreed to store nuclear waste at another area, then the US might participate in that, making Yucca a non-issue. He did not say he no longer supported the waste site at Yucca. As things stand, he supports the waste site at Yucca.
You can study all the issues carefully and see that a lot of what is written is inaccurate.
Or ethanol. McCain has always been against ethanol subsidies. He has only warmed up to its viability over time, and we all know it doesn’t go far. A little bit starves a lot of people. (Obama loves ethanol.)
Exactly. It is true, McCain is both for and against ethanol. He opposes corn-based ethanol and supports cane-based ethanol, and I think he might support cellulose-based ethanol but I am not sure.
McCain has been against subsidies for corn because he thinks corn-based ethanol cannot be efficiently produced and it would drive food prices up. I believe he supported the import of cane-based ethanol from Brazil and other countries. It is cheaper than oil and is pretty clean.
I am still trying to learn more about his energy policy. At least he has a plan unlike Obama. He just blames us for eating too much and keeping our thermostat on too high. I think McCain is gathering more information each day so he can improve his energy plan.
I love your time line of presidental future!
So, wait. A candidate had a superior plan. She devoted her life to UHC. Obama lied to people who could have been helped by her plan, misrepresented it deliberately, hoping they would vote for him.
Then once she’s out of the race, he wants to copy her plan. Correction. He says he wants to copy her plan. Then you say we’re too hung up on the perfect politician.
How about actual experience and ideas? We wanted to vote for the person who had real vision and leadership. But she was the wrong color or had the wrong last name. I honestly don’t know what you ever saw in Obama. But the best you can come up with at this late stage in the game is, “Get over it. He’s a liar. Maybe he’ll try real hard.” You can see why this site has absolutely no respect for this fraud.
Yep. Your guy is a real gem for the little people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeC8BE-2T_k
Believe, we will all have to pay for our own health insurance under Obama’s plan, but that’s not the problem. The problem is we won’t be able to receive care because the providers will be flooded with all the illegals that would now have free health care through Obama’s plan.
Except he isn’t going to be elected. Even, if by some fluke, he should be he will not steal Hillary’s plan because he has no interest in or intention of implementing any health care plan.
Thanks, Uppity Woman, there’s a lot more to be said in re health care, this is just a quick scan of the positions. For starters we might want to talk about universal health care in the context of business competitiveness. US companies are saddled with the cost of paying for health care whilst their competitors don’t pay a dime. For this reason alone we should enact single-payer immediately.
I agree and companies are realizing that they would benefit in terms of competitiveness. GM is getting killed in their coverage of health care for retirees. Single payer would be best!
I wish Obama would pursue that but, still, his plan is SO much better than McCain’s.
Are you still here? and with UK idiot this is going to be fun..
You don’t know anything about how Obama’s plan would be, because nothing Obama says can be relied on. He lies and flip-flops so often, he sometimes takes two different positions on the same issue within the space of a few hours.
From his past behavior, however, we can predict a couple of things about what he would do in the unlikely event he is able to steal the GE. First, what he would do would not in any way benefit any ordinary citizen but would make some or many insurance companies who had supported his campaign fabulously wealthy.
Second, he would put one of his criminal cronies in charge of the program. Any health care program put in place by Obama would do for people needing health care what Rezko’s low income housing apartments did for people needing a place to live.
The only difference between Obama and McCain on this issue is that McCain is not lying to us. So I’ll be voting for McCain, since he is, unlike Obama, at least in some respects qualified to be President.
Even though he was answered thoroughly up thread, “believe” just pops back in and makes a fallacious argument: Obama has a health plan. Liar.
No, Craig, we do not need to talk about health care in terms of business competitiveness. We need to talk about the millions of people in this country who are ill or have children with health problems and can’t afford health care or medicine.
There was a BBC report last month about an Australian man, Steve Brock. He bought an old WW11 plane a few years ago and equipped it with medical supplies and volunteer doctors, dentists and other health care professionals and began to fly to third world countries to provide medical services.
Now 60% of his time and resources are devoted to service for American Citizens who have no access to medical, dental or visual care. I provided a link to the story below. I have never felt such shame for our country and if you don’t mind shedding a few tears for the unkept promises of the United States of America, I recommend you read the story.
Take your business competition (another word for protect the wealthy and ignore the poor) and shove it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7420744.stm
And out of those 47 million people without
health insurance, 12-15 million are
illegal immigrants who Obarfme wants to
“give them the exact same coverage I receive
here in the Senate”.
I started out with nothing & still have most of it left.
That is a “misspeak”. The 47 million number does not include illegal immigrants, or the millions of others with plans so basic that they are worthless.
Roger De Bris, Not only is The Global Poverty Act already out of committee (FRC) it’s been passed by the house, so now it’s up to the Senate & POTUS.
On a lighter note
Hillary, marry me baby Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFBiUfne9WY
Thanks, for that one.
In 4 years we could have Hillary’s plan
I think its kind of funny —- Even the bias media that has been pushing Obama since the beginning dont really know where Obama stands on most policies.
I wonder if anyone could actually give the public a honest rundown of Obama’s policy. I bet Obama cant.
BO has clearly, distinctly and succinctly given the public an honest assessment. toquote from his own book:
Being a blank screen is a double edge sword. At first people project whatever they want in a leader onto him but when they see he is all things to everybody (a flip-flopping, lying panderer), he becomes everyone’s worse political nightmare.
Thats why I started getting scarred after the way they treated Hillary and I wasn’t a fan until now. but I knew if they treated her that bad..and she didnt back down; she could not be that bad. Now I know because of the fans that loves her. she rocks
Yes, as Obama said last Friday – She rocks, she rocks.
And she’s supporting Obama because he’s so much better than McCain.
In the primaries, and the RNC is using this as an ad now, Clinton said on day one McCain brings a lifetime of experience to the White House, Obama brings a speech he wrote two years ago.
She is giving the appearance of supporting Obama because of the (D) after her name. SHe doesn’t want to pull a Lieberman and go independent. She is still playing party politics. Also she hasn’t released her delegates yet either, she is showing tepid support at best until she can get something out of BO, like debt relief.
Folks say all sorts of things in primaries, each and every year, and then they support the nominee. That’s the norm.
She’s definitely a political pro and can easily shift to support the nominee, knowing that it’s typical say things in the nomination fight you have to retract later.
In your dreams. I don’t know who “they” are, but they are wrong. I have probably been involved in more elections than you and I can tell you this is about so much more than Hillary. What were you saying about her two months ago and did she suddenly “rock” or has she always “rocked”. You are filling in the blanks here, trying to change what was, is and will be. Believe? What was your name before? I can’t tell you how repulsive your hypocrisy is and your belief in your superiority over others is nauseating.
Very well said, Elise, I hope believe was hearing and listening.
SHUT the fuck up “believe” — you are in need of your medicine!
Go away and go to hell.
You unpatriotic sons of bastards.
This was not your typical primary. Hillary is a thousand times better an option than Obama, and McCain is an excellent second choice.
How can Obama accept support from Bill and Hillary Clinton after accusing them both of being racists? Has he no pride? Is he going to seek support from David Duke next? Or does this just demonstrate what a lying dirty politician he is?
Would you be interested in some of the other things he has said about her? Hillary is doing what she thinks is right and she gave her word. That sort of thing doesn’t matter much to Obama and his lovely wife Michele who said she would have to think about supporting Hillary if she won the nomination.
Sen. Clinton is so far above Obama in every way and I respect her and the courage it takes to stand on the same stage with that lesser man. However, I didn’t give my word and I will use my precious vote to protest against the rotting, corrupt DNC.
The BOBOweenies used to be able to give us lists of BOBOpositions during the primaries. But since BOBO started changing all his positions his faithful haven’t been producing these lists anymore.
Larry Sinclair says some news is breaking on Rense at 10:30 PM Eastern.
To listen go here and click on Network 3.
It appears Webster Griffin Tarpley is the guest. You may recall No Quarter published one of his articles here:
FREE LARRY SINCLAIR, OBAMA’S POLITICAL PRISONER
Apparently Tarpley is the guest but Sinclair is cutting in for 10 minutes and will announce his Delaware attorney is backing out of representing him.
I guess even lawyers have their standards.,,
We have a right to legal representation, innocent until proven guilty and all that constitutional stuff if that matters anymore in America.
Innocent until proven guilty?
You mean, like with all those allegations about Barack Obama?
Interesting concept. I’ll try to give that some thought.
I don’t assume Obama did anything. I also do not assume Sinclair is making the allegations up. I treat them both the same. It is always a mistake to assume without sufficient facts.
Rightfully so, it has made a donkey out of you and me.
Poor Larry’s getting screwed royally by this lawyer. Looks like some corrupt stuff is going on in the state of Delaware to block LS’s right to council.
Based on what has been reported that is a possibility. I am hoping an attorney steps forward to represent him.
George W. Obama
ABC News’ Rick Klein counts the ways that Barky measures up to Shrub.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/george-w-obama.html
How many volumes did that take?
Of course you could just xerox Bush’s positions and you’d have McCain’s platform.
Wrong again, poor little Obamabutt. Obama has stolen Bush’s campaign slogans, his dirty style of campaigning, and now his faith-based programs. Does Obama have no original thoughts at all?
If Obama’s doing so badly, why is the McCain campaign being forced to run ads in Virginia, a state that hasn’t gone Democratic in a presidential race since 1964?
And here’s another interesting story:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/07/02/gop-fears-that-obama-will-get-a-boost-from-foreign-travel_print.htm
At least you are linking to a real news source, not some Obamablog. But then again, you are linking to the MSM. We concede the MSM is in the tank for Obama, just like they were for the person Obama is exactly like, George W. Bush. And voters don’t want another four years of an unqualified, petulant, spoiled brat in the White House. So McCain will win, and you’ll have to get a real job.
Hey I am a con. but if I make a pledge that I will vote
for Hillary over McCain if they run, can I be a PUMA?
I would be proud
You woman and men ROCK
Is this the source of the pandering to faith based groups? I don’t see the evangelicals ever backing Obama due to his 20 years in Wright’s church.
McCain says in a new TV ad: “Let’s give every American family a $5,000 refundable tax credit” to buy health insurance.
Sounds good. But McCain failed to mention how existing employer-sponsored health benefits would be affected.
• Workers would be taxed on the value of any employer-paid health benefits, partially offsetting the $5,000 credit for those now covered by such plans.
• Experts say a tax credit plan like this would likely cause companies to reduce or eliminate health benefits for their employees.
The aim of the McCain plan is to reduce health care costs through increased competition, by encouraging individuals to shop around for health insurance and medical care. There are many who favor such an approach, and we take no position on it one way or the other. But McCain’s simplistic ad misleads viewers by promising to give “every American family” a $5,000 benefit while failing to mention what he would also take away.
Analysis
http://www.factcheck.org/mccains_5000_promise.html
Experts say the health care plans put forth by Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are very similar – and Obama himself has said his proposal has 95 percent in common with hers. But that other 5 percent is a source of contention.
The debate between Obama and Hillary’s health care hinges on one real difference in their proposals: Clinton’s includes an individual mandate that would require everyone to obtain health insurance; Obama’s plan only mandates that children have it.
Hillary will be work with Obama on his health care plan. It is a matter of her heart and she ask everyone who voted for her to support Obama so that they together can get a meaningful health care plan passed.
LMAO! Pastor Manning’s JUST released message to BILL CLINTON.
says don’t let Barack pimp your wife! LOL
And Pastor Manning has this new video as well:
what’s a mac daddy?
Thank the lord almighty jesus, this was the only smile, chuckle, and laugh out loud that I have had all day.
I love Pastor Manning! “He’s sitting up there on that stool like Iceberg Slim. Don’t let him put your wife on the stroll, President Clinton. Keep your dignity. Keep your woman.” AMEN!
Yeah I believe it. Just like they promised not to go after politicians that didn’t immediately jump on the Obama bandwagon.
What’s that you say? They promised Hillary they wouldn’t do that and did it anyway? What a shocker.
Has anyone gotten a phone survey about the election…
I just did and stated that I was NOT voting for Obama.
They said they were an indepent firm out of NY yet the phone is no a NY phone #—In fact its a new cell phone according Whitepages.com Anyone a subcriber to reverse phone number directory….This is all the information I could get..
(205) 705-3099Type: Cell Phone
Provider: New Cingular Wireless Pcs, Llc
Location: Birmingham, AL
I had one asking all about energy and oil. In the middle they asked what I thought of Al Gore.
They said they were calling from OR. I didn’t check the caller id tho.
We’re getting harassed by Obama representative demanding a donation.
I told the idiot to go to hell.
We no longer respond to any survey.
Is it OK for a con to be a PUMA this is your movement.
It is like Paul about the Gentiles.
No I was never a Dem but I saw the light on the road.
To Dimascus
sorry for the spelling even the spell check cant fix that
maybe you meant dimasskiss? lol
It’s Damascus. If you are currently in prison, you can’t vote. If you’re a felon, you will not be able to vote when you get out. If you are not a con or ex-con and are lying, God will in all probability, strike you with lightening and I’m sure someone at PUMA will say a prayer for your soul.
Has anyone read Larry Sinclair’s posting today? His lawyer backed out at the last minute because of pressure. Larry needs help. Can anyone help him?
That stinks. The lawyer signed an agreement and then backed out at the last minute.
Is that legal?
His court appearance is scheduled for 8:30AM tomorrow and the lawyer didn’t call until after 5PM, knowing that he couldn’t get another lawyer on such short notice. So much for Joe Biden and his son the AG in DE.
How about the ACLU? They should be willing to help Larry and they don’t have to worry about retribution from BO’s camp/other lawyers. (Didn’t I read today that BO’s biggest donors are lawyers?)
The ACLU probably wouldn’t get involved unless there is a question about the original charges against him. The court will have to appoint a public defender or postpone until he can arrange for another attorney. He can file a complaint with the Bar Association, but lawyers are good at covering their asses. I don’t know if what he charges against Obama is true or not, but he was definitely set up at his press conference. The National Press Club could not afford to refuse him the right to present his case because they would have been accused of violating his First Amendment Rights, but someone arranged for the sheriff to be there to arrest him afterwards.
The lawyer in the kilt with the big stuff?
No, THAT lawyer would have had the balls to go through with it. The lawyer that won’t is Richard Wier, former Attorney General of Delaware and buddy to bo pals Joe Biden and his son the current Attorney General of Delaware.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50wYU0RgLk&feature=email
This is what Obama’s full coverage plan will be covering. NOBAMA!!!
These dirt articles are crap. Wasn’t sure if I would vote 3rd party or McCain. These articles have sealed my vote for McCain.
The reason obamabots are hanging out here is because their candidate is losing ground and they know it.
Hey you gay folks and Roe v Wade supporters. Step right up to the new Obama Funhouse Emporium.
First he’ll be for gay rights and then he’ll have people that “cure” gays as his backdrop.
While he’s at it he’ll have all kind of faith-based folks (only the good ones of course) that he’ll give massive amounts of money to. Just like G W Bush! They won’t object to Roe v Wade! Honest!
Larry Sinclair’s lawyer backed out at the last minute because of what he was saying about Obama and the Bidens. He also told him no lawyer in Delaware would help him. Larry will have to appear in court tomorrow with no counsel.
Counsel will be appointed and a continuance granted. The court date will be “down the road” …
So it was the Bidens stirring the pot? Thought so.
Shakespeare’s Henry VI: “First thing lets do is lets kill all the lawyers.”
Does his health care plan include something for whitey?
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All”
For all? Does that include whitey?
I wonder if someone talked to Someone connected with Manning, Hannity or ??? could Sinclair get a lawyer?
Craig, great post! I greatly appreciate having these comparisons between the two candidates laid out this way. Thanks for taking the time to do this for us!
Tennessee had a healthcare program like to one that Obama describes. Anyone could buy into the state’s medicaid program which was called Tenncare. The problem was that the only people that bought into the program were people that couldn’t get healthcare any other way because of pre-existing conditions. The program could not be sustained because the people who needed it were the sickest and the healthy folks did not need to buy in. Within 3 or 4 years, the state was broke and had to dis-continue the program and everyone, including the very sick were thrown out. The only people that were left covered were those with children. Like Hillary said, it only works if everybody is in it and pays in. Alot of sick people were left to fend for themselves and the end of the program was decided by a Democrat Governor, Phil Bredesen.