Two at a Time: Saving the Dems and GOP with One Vote
By iam0nly1 on July 2, 2008 at 9:35 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Qualifications, Republicans
The Far Left Wing forces of the Democratic Party have raided our wagons, are taking the reins and are attempting to leave without us. However, we Pumas are encircling the wagons, determined to prevent the theft of our Party, our principles and above all, Democracy.
Like many of you, I have clung to hope, a sense of righteousness, principle and a somewhat naïve belief in cosmic justice throughout this entire primary season. After the Iowa caucus, I remained an optimist, believing Hillary would prevail. I believed it even more after Super Tuesday, and still more after March 4th. I felt confident that if she and we did what we had to do, win Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Puerto Rico, South Dakota to boot, and win the popular vote, that reason would reign. Even through the deafening calls for her to prematurely leave the race, I still believed. Why? Somehow, I had gotten through more than two decades of my life with the privilege of believing that the right thing always happens, that somehow the universe will right itself when it seems to be headed down the wrong path: a by-product of growing up in the 90’s, and not having the first hand knowledge of tragic assassinations and unjust wars the members of Hillary’s generation endured.
I am still clinging to this belief, this hope, that ultimately Hillary Rodham Clinton will be nominated as the Democratic Presidential Candidate for 2008.
The stakes are indeed too high, the risks too great for America and the world to be deprived of a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency. The Democratic Party is a fiend for an injection of Hillary’s fighting spirit and unyielding determination. But more importantly, America and the world desperately need her wealth of experience, breadth of knowledge, competency and commitment to the core values of America, Democracy and the collectivism our increasingly interconnected global community requires.
Should Barack Obama ultimately be nominated at the Democratic National Committee Convention in Denver, this primary election will have taught me a hard, yet obvious lesson: life is truly not fair, the most qualified person, the most deserving and hard working person does not always get a fair shake, much less the position or opportunity they are best suited for. Sometimes the lesser qualified, woefully inadequate, yet popular person benefits from a flawed system.
I guess, it is something I always knew, as I had witnessed it play out numerous times in middle school, high school, and now college, and undoubtedly will witness later on in life. However, I always found solace in knowing that eventually the truth of the matter would become clear. Somehow, the undeserving, in-over-his or her head individual would severely under-perform, or make an egregious mistake revealing not only his or her inability, but also the ignorance of those who disregarded qualifications in favor of superficial qualities and appointed, hired or elected the clearly inferior nominee, applicant or candidate.
Sadly, should Senator Obama be elected, there will be no solace in his failures, no cosmic justice, because our country and the world will be the recipients of the repercussions. For this reason, I, like many of us, cannot sit back and wait for the inevitable massive failure and disappointment that will characterize a failed Obama presidency. We, like Hillary, have that indefatigable fighting spirit and conviction. We will not allow the Democratic Party to foist an illegitimate, inexperienced candidate upon us while simultaneously treading on the sacred values of Democracy, fairness, and our core tenant of “one person, one vote.”
Hillary has always reflected on her days as a Republican and her eventual departure from the Republican flock, by lamenting, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party as much as it left me.” Strangely I believe the impetus for her departure from the Republican Party is poised to repeat itself within the Democratic Party. In her revealing memoir, Living History, Hillary writes:
“The nomination of Richard Nixon cemented the ascendance of a conservative over a moderate ideology within the Republican Party, a dominance that has grown more pronounced over the years as the party has continued its move to the right and moderates have dwindled in numbers and influence. I sometimes think that I didn’t leave the Republican Party as much as it left me.”
Senator Obama’s nomination, like President Nixon’s will confirm the rise of the radical over moderate ideology within the Democratic Party that could take decades to undo, over which time, if this primary season is any indication, we, the moderate backbone of the Party, will be actively shut out and marginalized.
We Pumas will not sit by as the Democratic Party leaves its core principles, and constituencies, trampling upon Democracy as it goes. We will not be left without a Party. We will not be told to “get over it” and “fall in line.” We will not be held hostage to a Party that no longer values us or our contributions and simply gives lip service every four years to what they perceive as our concerns in order to pressure us into rubber stamping their often failed agendas, or worse, corrupt, inept and puppet candidates.
Thankfully, with this election, we have the opportunity to save not one, but two Parties. Senator Obama and those that back him are a part of the fair left fringe of our party that is attempting to wrest control and form the “New Democratic Party.” Senator McCain is a moderate at his core, and represents a dramatic shift to the center for the Republican Party. In November, we can send a clear message to the Democratic Party establishment that we will not allow the theft of the moderate Republican Party to be replicated within the Democratic Party, and simultaneously begin to restore the old moderate strain to the Republican Party.
On November 5th, after we have thwarted the take over of the Democratic Party, we can rest assured knowing we have handed the reins of our country to steady, experienced and moderate hands with the added bonus of ensuring that we, America and the world will not have to mourn forever the loss of the presidency that will be Hillary Rodham Clinton’s.
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I know I’m beating a dead horse, but it’s hardly the “far-left wing” that has hijacked our party. Is Dennis Kucinich the nominee?
Kucinich is FAR LESS farcicle than the oblahblah
I would like a strawberry Farcicle please…
Best laugh I’ve had all day…yay Zeke
Kucinich is FAR LESS pathetic than the oblahblah
Kucinich is also the actual left of the democratic party. Oblahblah certainly is not.
No, Rep. Kucinich is the PRINCIPLED left of the party. Obama is a self serving radical, able to change his positions more often than his underwear. He could only wish to have the intellectual consistency of Dennis Kucinich.
Hell, 500 million annually could go a long way towards Kucinich’s department of peace, rather than the stupidity of giving the money to faith based initiatives.
I prefer the word “left” preceded with your modifier.
I absolutely agree with you. Although I disagree with Rep. Kucinich ‘s views , but he is honest and trustworthy. He truly says what he believes and he actually has done what he says he will do.
Obama is not, nor has he ever been, far left. He is a person who capitulates to whatever forces he perceives as the most favorable to his rise to fame and fortune. And now those forces are corporate forces. He is a whore and a bore. Money talks and he has no principles. And the people behind him have agendas that are yet to be totally revealed. But they aren’t good, of that we can be sure.
One thing he IS adamant about….Black Theology.
New Record:
27 Minutes from 9:35am article posting to first scary black man post at 10:02am, which has nothing to do with original post.
New sport, Identify the first racist post!
Yes, we understand. Mention the word black in the context of BOBO. You’re a racist. But that would make your scary Black man comment racist Bill.
These people remind me of the fools that said you could not call the day after Thanksgiving “black Friday” as it was not politically correct.
It was always a bookkeeping term. The stores made enough sales to go from red to black ink.
Had nothing to do with race until the so called politically correct fools made it so.
Who was the real racist?
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
You’re denying that he spent 20 years in a church focussed on Black Liberation Theology? Then you are denying his history. It was you that made the conclusion that this fact is scary. If you wanted to make a real point you would take care to show us why BLT is something everyone should embrace. But if you fly off like this at the very word “black,” well–it looks like the race card–just saying.
May I have a BLT with my Strawberry Farcicle please?
Sorry, the letter “B” has een struck from the alpha et as racist.
Oh, alls! What a crock of utter ullshit!
How could any e so gulli le!
To Bill Ohio:
Get a dictionary and learn what “racist” means.
Then look up what “racial” means to find out the difference.
Then look up what marxist black liberation theology is.
Then check what “racist” means AGAIN.
Then the next time you feel like attacking someone by calling them racist because they are AGAINST RACISM you might prefer to keep your warped interpretations to yourself.
P.S.
Calling people racist does NOT make YOU LESS racist.
I think you are the one who made it your mission tonight to call everyone racist, so read your own post for your sage advice.
Listen folks if you support partial birth abortions?? That’s about as FAR LEFT as you can get!!
Remember Barry said “no one should be PUNISHED with a child”
red flags went up all over the place and I always considered myself a liberal
but not THAT LIBERAL!!
they can deny it all they want
Were I to punish someone, a stick works better than a child.
Why are you using the sexist language of the militant – get rid of women by forcing them to die – misogynists?
Is it far left when you also support partial birth certificates?
Does any one on this site really believe that it was the press or the people who “brought” out the Black Liberation Theology. Did the OB campaign “think” it wasn’t wasn’t going to come out. Of course, they knew it would come out. He has been the big planned diversion of his campaign. They created the race baiting. They created the “Marxist” freakin’ diversion. Isn’t it obvious? It kept his supporters from seeing how non-liberal he is. He wouldn’t have had those votes if he presented himself as a centrist. He should have been vetted as Hillary Clinton said over and over and over again.
Now Obama is a closet centrist? PUHLEEZE!
Black Liberation Theology has its roots in Marxism. Twenty years of that programming tossed on top of whatever bullshit his wacky Marxist mother fed him has not made him a centrist. All this centrist bullshit he is pumping out is simply the smokescreen he needs now to attract the very small minority of fence sitters who are still hoping this lying sonofabitch isn’t what he appears to be.
Any additional Muslim crap he picked up from uncles, brothers, etc. only aids him in his understanding of misleading people. Muslims are taught that its completely alright to lie to an Infidel, in fact it is desired.
This dude is devious but he is not smart.
Obama is totally in character. It is very important to understand that he is after one thing and will say and do whatever he has to to get what he’s after.
His eyes are on the prize. Don’t let is wiggly fingers distract you.
I also know that the Chicago School and the Radical School of Sociology are just the opposite. Your theory should be reversed. His wiggling finger of “radical” distracted his followers.
could be…
I sometimes use too big a shovel when going through his bull. Herculean tasks scare the crap out of me.
It may be that a trowel and a stunted sense of smell could get to the ‘bottom’ of it but for now, I’ll just call all of it shit and deal with him accordingly.
Regards
Obama dances to anyone’s accordian so long as it benefits him
I wonder if a small fez, a unicycle and a lit smoke are part of the show. Dangerous work near a large bus!
I agree. But, many of his backers-namely, youth, media, and a small but vocal minority of activists-are far left.
There are several “Obamas.” There is the flip-flop, janus-faced, empty vessel, pandering Obama (who is a multiplicity unto himself). He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s Baskin Robbins 31 flavors.
Then there is the image of Obama that he and Axelrod, and now the MSM, have promoted. This is why he is winning. Because image has become more important than reality. Image IS realty in his case.
Because so many Democratic party “elites” (Brazile, Dean, Pelosi, et. al.) want more power, they have latched on to whatever is popular and fashionable. Everyone was so fed up with Bush, all they needed was something different. And that is the image that Axelrod and other propagandists developed for Obama.
It isn’t so much that the left wing is hijacking the party. They could not have done it alone, because they are really just a fringe group. It is that the MEDIA has decided it would be selective in the news it reported and that it would actively back a candidate. The party leadership decided it would actively back a candidate rather than let voters be the sole decision-makers. And the widespread use of the internet and forms of propaganda (e.g., the music videos etc) especially among uninformed youth gave this a viral quality.
That’s how I would characterize it. The Democratic Party has caught a virus.
nah… the obamababy bots don’t know their left from their right…
right! uhhh correct!
Wright, I meant
I have always thought Kucinich is very principled, but not very practical, so I wasn’t inclined to vote for him.
Obama, the flip-flop, two-faced puppetman, is very practical, but seems to have no principles whatsoever. I have never been inclined and never will vote for him.
Hillary, I believe, is both principled and practical and I cannot for the life of me understand what problem her Congressional colleagues have with not supporting her over Obama.
Don’t understand it.
Yup. Agree completely. Like Penn Gov Ed Rendell says, “I just don’t for the life of me understand it.”
IF DENNIS KUCINICH COULD RAKE IN THE MILLIONS LIKE OBAMA, HE WOULD BE THE TALLEST MAN IN DEM PARTY, AND YOUR YOUR NOMINEE
I don’t think it’s a question of the far left, really, but of a power grabbing corrupt group who will not respect democratic values. As we could see in the last few days only, Obama does not represent liberal positions, but will move to a conservative stance without blinking an eye, if he thinks it serves his power grab. That’s what I consider the most dangerious – beside the choice of his corrupt friendships – trait. He switches depending on his audience and there is no way of knowing where he stands at any time. He is unpredictable and oportunistic. That is a vary dangerous characteristic for a POTUS.
Bill Clinton was the master of this: it was called “triangulation” and he did it brilliantly, moving to the center and coopting conservative positions to keep the GOP from being able to call him a “Far Leftist.” It was the hallmark of his successful presidency. But now that Obama’s doing the same thing it’s evidence of how terribly, terribly evil he is. Whatever.
Brilliant post. And quite right.
Don’t equate Obama with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did not sit in a racist, anti-American church for 20 years.
LOL. That’s right — take refuge in trivial character-assassination crap. Thankfully, the vast majority of voters will be casting their ballots based on the economy, Iraq, health care and the like — not on the PUMAs and John McCain’s preferred terrain: Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, etc. You have descended to the lowest rung of mainstream, inside-the-Belway political hell: pure character/process/sound bite based hackery. Congratulations — another way that PUMAs are now basically Republicans.
It’s true, Bill Clinton didn’t sit in a racist anti-American church for twenty years. BOBO did.
Uh, if you want to go the character-assassination route, Bill Clinton, to say the least, has given us plenty of ammunition. Delving into and obsessing over the details of his personal life was scummy and destructive when the right-wingers did it to Clinton in the 90s, and it is scummy and destructive when you people do it to Obama now. And just as his personal life had no bearing on the success of his presidency, Obama’s personal life has no real bearing on how he would conduct himself as President.
Racism isn’t a character attribute. It’s a vile beast that lives in the dark corners of the human mind and liberalism has been fighting against it since before I was born. That BOBO would be a member of a racist church for twenty years trumps any policy positions he and I may share. I don’t want that kind of scum sitting in the oval office.
But Obie didn’t realize that until recently, even though I’m told he is the most perceptive politician EVAH!
You can’t defend Obama’s character (the most important attribute a person can have) so you try to trivalize it.
Obama does not even understand the issues. By the time October comes around Obama will be agreeing with McCain on Iraq. Obama will not have a time table like he has been beating his chest about.
Obama does not have a clue about the economy. His only answer is to raise taxes. Anyone who knows basic economy knows taxes should not be raised in a poor economy.
You have been doing a pathetic effort trying to convince others to vote for Obama – keep up the bad work.
GEORGE SOROS, go read
You all need detox. Do the SAME research on the narcissist Kucinich that you’ve done on Obama and then get back to me.
HINT: THE LOCAL papers that followed the EARLY CAREER of Kucinich should give you the clue, if you couldn’t tell just by the fact he’s thrice married, now to an infant arm-candy ditz.
And if you think she’s not a world-class ditz, you also haven’t been paying attention. Google her and the BREATHARIANS.
KUCINICH CULT AND RON PAUL CULT are no different from the OBAMA CULT.
Every one of them worshipped by the antiwar crowd…and every one of the politicians sucking up to the DUPES when it suits them.
If you weren’t out on the street protesting by November 2000, good chance you are one of those antiwar dupes. Useless. Easily led. Everything that happened could’ve easily been predicted in 2000. People who waited for the war are into reaction, not proaction. And subject to worshipping manipulators.
Activate a few more brain cells today. Give up your STUPID teddy bears and false heros.
My absolute favorite was the howling and whining and hair-rending and screeching and bawling by the 9/11 conspiracy nuts when Kucinich played those morons like a violin.
They thought he was gonna “investigate” their bullshit. Hey! He pandered to any nutcase…more crowds to worship him! Only one of them had enough working brain cells to call his office the last time he was re-elected and ask when (too funny!!! “when” hahaha!!!) the investigation would start.
He was told, “It’s not a priority.”
No freaking doubt.
Also check out how Kucinich, like Obama, refuses to debate the women who run against him each year.
which woman did obama refuse to debate?
Yes, Kucinich is what the left of the Democratic Party looks like. Obama is a closet Republican, or a bi-party member of the Illinois Combine who was enabled by Republicans to come in and discredit the left and destroy the party. He will made a very good Republican president, with the added twist of raising taxes to enrich the affirmative action fringe of business as usual.
He’s not a liberal. He might have some radical friends, but the very first people he threw under the bus was the liberal wing of the D Party. The fauxgressives were so busy creating chaos that few people noticed or remembered.
This is what cracks me up about this site. Some of you hate Obama because he’s a secret Republican conservative fascist; some of you hate him because he’s a far-left radical Communist; some of you hate him because he is neither and just adopts any convenient position. You are all utterly intellectually incoherent. You just get off on fanning one another’s hatred of a man who is basically a figment of your imaginations. It must be an endorphin thing or something. Hating Obama is like your Prozac.
If he is a liberal, then why can’t he just say, “I am a liberal”?
I am a “proud Liberal”. I am “proud to be a liberal”. “Thank you to all my liberal supporters”.
“Thank you, all my liberal supporters for not gasping or abandoning me when I said “I respect Reagan”.
Defining oneself in this way is rarely good politics. Defining one’s opponent in this way, is often good politics. That’s why “let them eat change” would want Obama to define himself as a liberal; because that would help McCain.
I define myself as a liberal and I’ll be voting for McCain this year.
Then, with all due respect, I define you as an ignorant fool. McCain will empower the most anti-liberal forces the U.S. has faced in many decades. And if he is able to nominate replacements for John Paul Stevens, the oldest and most liberal members of the Supreme Court, he will probably be able to set back the liberal agenda for a generation. That is no exaggeration, and the feeble arguments that PUMA have been able to advance to defend your idiocy — Roe v. Wade still stands, Justices are sometimes unpredictable — are, sorry, utter horseshit. Alito and Roberts have been exactly as advertised. One more conservative Justice replacing a liberal one — by far the most likely outcome of a McCain presidency — and the hardcore conservative Right will have a majority on the Supreme Court.
Stop living in denial of the likeliest results of your petulant, ignorant, deeply foolish and destructive actions. And stop pretending you’re a fucking liberal if you vote for John McCain. You aren’t — vote for McCain and you are a right-wing conservative Republican. Own it.
Divided government works. It is the foundation principle of our government of the people. It is the only defense a liberal has against the machinations of the fringes when there is no liberal running for president. With Hillary gone that is the case. the Liberal agenda as it is written down in the US constitution is designed around the concept of checks and balances. As such President McCain can’t do anything without the consent of the democratic congress. Like wise the democratic congress can’t do anything without the consent of President McCain. Nothing will happen unless both parties consent. No extreme can take the reigns of power and do with them as they like. The excesses of the bush administration won’t be repeated because they can’t be repeated… unless of course during the next four year the democratic congress doesn’t have any spine to act as the check and balance against the executive branch. But if that is the case were McCain to be president, it will also be the case were BOBO to be president. Electing BOBO to save the congress from themselves would be the same action the republicans took when they elected bush and then let their republican congress rubber stamp his every action rather then do the job that is expected of them as congressmen and a co-equal branch of government. Making this mistake again in the name of the democratic party is against liberal principles as they are written and I will have no part in it.
You, and I think many other well-intentioned PUMAs, are kidding yousrselves. The President, as Commander in Chief, has the power to decide when, whether and how our troops leave Iraq, when or whether we attack Iran, how we go after Al Qaeda. The President sets the budget agenda. The President can veto almost all legislation. And the President nominates all Supreme Court justices. Elect McCain and the odds of getting a solid liberal to replace the solid liberal JP Stevens drop to zero. And this Court is quite frequently a 5-4 court.
Stop kidding yourself. A vote for McCain is a vote — a truly disastrous vote — against the liberal values that many of us have been fighting for for decades.
Apparently Bush won because you bought into all the bullshit he has championed. The congress has the power to revoke the use of force resolution. The congress is the entity that declares ( or authorizes ) war. The congress, specifically the house, is responsible initiatives all spending measures. The president can veto any legislation he wants to and if the congress can’t override then they will have to find compromise or they will have to wait. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. That the rule, not the exception. And congress, specifically the senate, gets to decide if they will allow the nominations of the president to the supreme court to be approved. A democratic senate can stop any of McCain’s appointments and we are going to have a democratic senate.
I’m right to vote for McCain as your hysteria about his possible future actions provides the evidense that you have no confidence that the congress will not do the job that we hired them to do. After eight years of the Bush administration the only thing I am interested in is my government working the way it was designed to work, the way it was written. You want to transform it into a progressive love fest. Sorry but I just lived through the conservative love fest. No more political love fest’s for the rest of the decade for me thanks. I’ll be voting McCain.
The Roe v. Wade canard.
How do you reconcile your statements that Roe v Wade was an opinion handed down by Justice harry Blackmun, a Republican appointed by Richard Nixon. The ruling in Roe was already re-affirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the majority opinion written by another Republican, Sandra Day O’Connor, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Justice Anthony Kennnedy, also a Republican and Reagan appointee joined O’Connor in the majority opinion. Kennedy also wrote the opinion in Boumediene v. Bush granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle.
True conservative acknowledge the value of individual rights over government power. It was also the Republicans that struck down the racist segregation laws in Brown v Board of Education, Earl Warren appointed by Eisenhower.
How about gay rights? Kennedy was also the author for the majority in Romer v. Evans, invalidating laws denying gays the right to bring discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating criminal prohibitions against private sexual acts between consenting gay adults. Those evil conservatives, what will they do next?
I am a proud liberal, and I have NEVER considered voting for Obama or McCain throughout this entire hellish experience we have all had to go through.
And another thing — I don’t even know who I am voting for but I KNOW it will not be McCain or OB.
All I know to do at this point is stop paying taxes and go to the streets of Denver and put my life, reputation, and perfect law-abiding record on the line, to stop this all of us from having to vote for “the lesser of 2 evils” ever again in our life times!
I will even do that for you, sfhillary.
Well, thank you.
And thank you for at least not voting for McCain. And let me just say — from my perspective as a longtime, moderate-to-liberal Democrat who has vast respect for Bill Clinton’s presidency, voted for HRC in the primary and think she would make an excellent president — I wish there were a way to make at least some of you PUMAs see Obama in a more rational light. There is nothing the guy has said or done that isn’t completely the norm for any politician who spends his or her career doing public policy, working with lobbyists, raising money, fighting over legislation, etc. Just today it was revealed that one of McCain’s top fundraisers is tied to Colombian death squads. The list of shady Clinton associations is endless. It doesn’t make them deeply corrupt; it makes them normal. Just as Obama is normal. The level of vitriol for the guy on this site is irrational and deranged and has no basis in recognizable reality, and it leads to “liberals” saying they’ll be proud to vote for a continuation of the Bush presidency, all to protect America from the fantasy demon in their minds that has nothing to do with the real world Senator from Illinois…
Because he was running on a “change” platform this made many of us leery of him from the get go, b/c we all fully expect politicians are politicians. When Hillary pointed out that “change” did not come this easily and was booed for it, it made me more determined not to vote for him. He sat himself up, and the DEM party, his followers, and even his non followers, by tauting “change” as a magical thing. Does that make sense, as to some of our reasons?
And another thing as to why many of us did not support him after he and his “change” movement got SO big, was b/c we could see that a possible 16 year DEM run was going to be snatched from the jaws of victory. 8 years Hillary, 8 years Obama.
oh so incredulous sfhillary – you think the level of vitriol for BO is amazing? guess you were not paying much attention to the entire BO party and the BO networks during the entire BO/DEM primary. Hillary was trashed daily, where is your precious outrage for Hillary?
btw why not go back and link arms and sing kumbaya with your brethren over at BO Land, since you are so unhappy reading posts here on No Quarter? I dont post on your site.
As the big BO himself said in his book:
He is the one that is intellectually incoheren.
My revulsion of BO is hardly Prozac. He is a very disturbing character who people are growing to dislike more by the day. The reason is that he apparently is of no political leaning whatsoever, he is just supremely self-serving. He has apparently never had any values or political beliefs to have been swayed or changed. He is like a toxic weed that keeps coming up searching for power and money. He has been very hard to define, thats why people are confused about him. The company he keeps and his activities of the last 15 years are astonishingly devoid of even an allusion to an American ideal of a President, left or right.
So you don’t know what a neocon is?! You’re supposed to be so well-informed and rational and pure and enlightened and……full of shit. Plant. Tell us how you helped SMEAR both Clintons and their supporters as racists, and came back with your judgmental bullshit distractions again.
A neocon is a what you call a communist facist or facist communist. It’s the opposite of a moderate. It’s easy to call them facist or communist or both, because they are both. They take things from both sides and it tends to confuse some people. Either way, facist or communist, they both suck and no one should vote for them! Duh!
The world is a complicated place. Unfortunately, your mind is too simple to grasp that.
^^^ that was directed at the troll called “sfhillary”
Thanks PUMA for this post. I do also believe that by convention, perhaps DNC will wake up and nominate Hillary who will be the dream come through nominee and president for our country and the world.
Kucinich is too honest about his positions to get the nomination.
I don’t think Obama himself is far left. It’s people like Dean, his brother and DFA that are far left and are seeking to take power. I supplied a link to Savage Politics, and they explain well how the neocons and the current powers that be in the Dem party are all far left.
I personally think Obama has a bit of neocon in him which would also make him a bit of a far lefty. He’s just good at being ambiguous and hiding it.
Has anyone read this article in the wp? I think it’s funny that Obama had to pay to have Hillary scub those web sites. That in itself makes a statement and shows true UN-ITY.
I hope the Clintons get the last laugh come November and we will be there to laugh with them.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/02/clinton-attacks-against-obama-vanish-web/
that would be the washington times, NOT the washington post (or wp). very different news outlets.
Soros owns the party and he will destroy America, like he almost destroyed England.
Soros is famously known for “breaking the Bank of England” on Black Wednesday in 1992. With an estimated current net worth of around $8.5 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 80th-richest person in the world.
yes and where did he get that idea of destroying a currency to gain power…hmmm…
The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.
Vladimir Lenin
Actually he freed the UK economy from the Exchange Rate Mechanism, which resulted in very high interest rates in order to link the £ to some mythical value. From the very next day, the UK economy started its longest period of economic growth, which has only now slowed – largely as a result of the incompetent living in Pennsylvania Avenue.
Let’s vote for McCain! That way we won’t have universal health care. We will establish a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court with all kinds of interesting ramifications for the next 40 years. We will establish a permanent presence in Iraq with upwards of 50 bases. Sounds awesome.
And this will be different than Obama????
Yes extremely different. McCain has stated his model for nominees to the SC are Alito and Roberts. And no matter what Obama’s withdrawal plan from Iraq is when he takes office, it will not include a permanent presence of 50 bases.
And you believe this ?
Yes I believe that Obama will not nominate conservatives like Alito and Roberts to the SC. Why is that so hard to believe? Isn’t the point of this posting that Obama represents the radical left of the Dem Party? Now you think he’ll nominate conservative judges? Which is it?
You ask him. He has changed his mind on most things so far. When will it dawn on you that he has used the progressives to achieve his goal. Believe me , he does not care about any of you and sooner or later you will join us, if you believe in Democracy.
Of course he believes it Harp! With a post-name like ‘Jesus’, he must think Obama is God the Father, and the minions are multiples of the Savior.
After all, we are the ones we’ve been waiting for…..
“After all, we are the ones we’ve been waiting for…..”
which is a native american saying.
No disparagement meant to Native Americans – just to the UnAmerican Obama who tries to peddle every flowery phrase he can find, and trivializes them all along the way.
So um, Jesus speaks and we’re suppose to..um..believe your shit?
Hi Jesus,
Have you been hearing what they have been teaching in your name about white people at Obama’s “old” church?
Yeah, how dare they let people know that our country was founded on the genocide of Native Americans, and the enslavery of Africans in my name. I thought we were keeping that a secret.
Boy Jesus,
You have changed. You seem bitter. Is this the “Change” your messenger is bringing?
What they don’t teach is this:
Every major civilization or society throughout history has been guilty of enslaving other human beings, not just America. However, Americans woke up, realized it was wrong, and went to war to end slavery.
Most societies guilty of committing genocide typically do so in the name of “righteousness,” not just America. And again, Americans woke up, realized it was wrong, and fought another war to end genocide.
Try to spend less time denigrating this country and more time being thankful for those who gave their lives to end such atrocities.
What is happening in Iraq? How many Iraqis have died since the invasion?
How many Iraqis died before the invasion?
Military action in Iraq does not equal genocide. I was speaking of the Civil War and WWII, respectively.
So BO sits in a church like TUCC for twenty years which has a stated position against “pro-choice” and you think BO is going to appoint Supremes that on the left?
Please explain why he had to be talked out of voting FOR Chief Justice John Roberts by his Seanate chief of staff?
At some point in the known political universe the left and the right extremes meet. One cannot tell Fascism from Communism, BO is firing his CRAP CANNON with both types of loads.
Hell. Who knows what to believe about ohblowme? He’s like the winds off Lake Michigan. He’s not predictable or reliable. He’s not getting my vote unless I’m dead.
Unless you change your name to NO Bama
…maybe the county election office will get a clue…
Didn’t Obama just side with those Justices?
Dupe.
Mr. Zebari says he believes U.S. forces can and should be drawn down. His point is that reductions should be made gradually, as the Iraqi army becomes stronger. The foreign minister said “my message” to Mr. Obama “was very clear. . . . Really, we are making progress. I hope any actions you will take will not endanger this progress.” He said he was reassured by the candidate’s response, which caused him to think that… Mr. Obama might not differ all that much from Mr. McCain.
“these the”. (LOL).
Oops. Sorry HARP. I jumped the gun.
Are the the best scare tactics you can come up with? Yawn.
McCain is a radical secret Muslim that faked his birth certificate. His wife secretly hates white people and there’s a tape to prove it. McCain also hates women and that’s obvious because of misogyny in the media. Also, he rigged the democratic primary by establishing rules ahead of time dictating how electoral votes were counted. Oh, yeah, he also had cocaine fueled gay flings and murdered someone. Better?
Sounds like someone you might want to vote for rory, your kind of change candidate.
Nah, McCain just had a real boring life as a POW for years and years where he was tortured by the enemy and never broke, not the exciting life that O’Bammers has led!
I can appreciate your concern since Congress is run by a bunch of pussy Dems who can’t even stand up to Dubya and his 27% approval rating.
But then again, who are you really concerned about? McCain or a Democratic congress that is completely without spine, character and judgement?
That would be the Dem controlled congress under Pelosi and Reid with their even less dismal 17% approval rating.
It isn’t that they couldn’t stand up to Bush, they were just too busy setting up this coup for Obama and they still are. Down with Pelosi et al. Incompetent bunch of non-democrats.
yeah, out on their asses I say
Obama is not committed to reforming health care.
Even Kerry and other reps endorsing Obama have said it won’t pass.
And without Hillary at the helm – it’s a certainty it won’t pass.
Well get more (and better – see FISA) Dems elected who will support it. Appoint a panel involving Mrs Clinton and Edwards and get proper universal health care – not some compulsory private insurance that will in reality just criminalise poverty. That is being a true Liberal.
bellow louder rory
I ant hear you over here, I have Uhhbamas mixing of church and state blocking my ability to want to have him appt anyone to SCOTUS…….
Obama was set to vote for Roberts. Only changed his mind when his colleagues told him it wasn’t such a swell idea ….
Hey when you graduate the 4th grade come back and talk history and facts… ok?
the only ramifications of a court with traditional conservatives are rulings in favor of individual rights over government power. That is what true conservatives are, protectors of individual liberties.
Many of the most progressive Supreme Court decisions that the left likes to trumpet as being in danger from conservatives were all written by Republicans justices appointed by Republican presidents. Here’s a sample.
Boumediene v. Bush granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle was written for the majority by a Republican, Anthony Kennedy, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Romer v. Evans, invalidating laws denying gays the right to bring local discrimination claims is another Kennedy decision.
Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating criminal prohibitions against private sexual acts between consenting gay adults is yet another Kennedy decision.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey re-affirming the Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the right to abortion was written by Sandra Day O’Connor, the first woman on the SUpreme Court and another appointee of Ronald Reagan. Kennedy joined O’Connor d in the majority opinion.
Roe v. Wade itself was authored for the majority by another Republican, Harry Blackmun, who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon.
Brown v. Board of Education, which struck down laws allowing racial segregation, was written by another Republican, Earl Warren, an Eisenhower appointee.
Gideon v. Wainwright, granting indigent non-capital criminal defendants the right to publicly-funded counsel was a Warren decision.
Miranda v. Arizona requiring that certain rights of a person being interrogated while in police custody be clearly explained, including the right to an attorney is also a Warren decision.
I agree that history shows us you cannot necessarily look at a SC justice beforehand and always gauge how they will fare. After all some of them actually subscribe to the justice for all thing and take their jobs seriously….
Obama is not a progressive. That’s why he tramples on the Bill of Rights by supporting Pelosi’s FISA “compromise” and the merging of church and state. Those two issues are far right and should give pause to anyone who considers Obama a progressive. He is not.
Being a believer of Justice (God’s Justice), I do not see the selection of Obama by the DNC as an injustice. God rewards good people and maybe, just maybe, not getting the nomination is the best thing that can happen to Hillary and justice is being served to us. Never underestimate the universe. It makes lemonade from the lemons we grow with our decisions.
I agree, it’s all part of my plan. Haven’t you noticed the flooding I’ve been unleashing in the midwest. Pay attention to my signs people! I can’t even believe I’ve had to resort to commenting on blogs. Maybe I’ll start my own so everyone can see who I’m backing in the election?
I was surfing a blog earlier this AM and saw the headline, “Russians are very hard on blasphemers.”
I didn’t click it; I wish I had. I only mention this because it seems to be one of those intriguing synchronicities.
I do believe in cosmic justice.
Jesus, is Uhhbama MABUS?
There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.
Vladimir Lenin
To rely upon conviction, devotion, and other excellent spiritual qualities; that is not to be taken seriously in politics.
Vladimir Lenin
Jesus; ARE YOU GOD?
“http://www.lyrics007.com/XTC%20Lyrics/Dear%20God%20Lyrics.html”
I’ve condemned all the members of XTC to eternal damnation for that song’s use of irony.
I’ve noticed most of the damage is happening in states that voted for Obama…trying to raise up some more victimhood there Big J?
Get Lost Jerk! Dont try and trivialize the misery of people killed and losing everything in the floods.
You are the furtherest cry from being Jesus.
Well Obama and his minnions need to hear what all of us are talking about. So of course he voted for FISA. Obama is a disgusting pig.
Party Unity My Ass!
I agree.
Question for anyone that might have an answer.
Apparently Monday Bill and Obama spoke; yet we have yet to hear directly from Bill himself.
Am I the only one that thinks this is strange?
I mean all he probably has to do is step out his door and there would be a dozen media people to take his comment.
Let’s be honest about this, the Clinton’s hate Hussein and we all know it. All of this unity crap is just that, CRAP!
I found it odd that the London Times was reporting on a negative comment that Bill supposedly made. (Of course, reported by an anonymous source.) It was after that the OB and Bill supposedly talked.
why do you refer to him by his middle name?
I think it was a phonecall.
All us PUMAs need to realize we are battling two fronts:
1- The Obot-DNC-Soros hostile take over of the Democratic Party, AND
2- The far right who are tolerating Nobama’s pandering until after the convention. Come September- OBambi is not gonna know what hit him!
I want much more than bragging rights on November 5th ” Told ya so. Don’t blame me I voted for Hillary”
I want what is best for my country.
We have to get Hillary on the ballot in Denver.
Tomorrow millions of Democrat and Independents will UNITE in 2 causes, to retire Senator Hillary’s debt, donate and join John McCain For President. Tomorrow history will be made and the steps to rebuild the Democrat party will begin. The old saying you don’t miss your water into the well runs dry. Howard and Donna take a look in the well tomorrow. The Democrat party is no longer the party of the people its the party of the election fraud, greed, flip flops and losing candidates. I will leave this with a heavy heart, but with a great sense of dignity. I am not afraid of John McCain I know from his PROVEN record he will work across party lines. Senator Clinton and McCain have respect and admiration for each other I believe they will work together and advance many of her policies.
for more info, email fred at fred@rnc.com
PUMAs have coined a new term. Flip-flop doesn’t even begin to describe Nobama.
SHIFT-SHAFT! Nobama the shift-shafter! He shifts position, then shafts you.
Spread the word- SHIFT-SHAFT
Anything new on JIB JAB for OBAMA?
Has anyone seen BO’s fundraising numbers for June? I know that they don’t have HRC any more to one up, but we are two days into July and no huge announcement yet … do you think they are starting to see how many REPUBLICANS were donating merely to get Oblahblah and not HRC on the ballot?
ok hey beebop
what you just said
that PUGS gave him money, etc so Hillary would lose
Pugs are keeping the tape until after Aug so Hillary will lose
the PUGS are fking this up and yet some of them HERE are BEGGING me, no more like blatantly BSing me into voting for McCain after he’s been the one to keep HILLARY FROM THE NOMINATION?????
WTF? I’ll NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN after tHIS!!
but I’LL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA EITHER
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
you see the quandary here? lol
If MCCAIN can win in a FAR fight against Hillary or Obama
I will never disrespect him for as long as he serves unless he flips his lid or something
Otherwise his party is the initial cause of Hillary losing imo by withholding the tape and by giving Obambi money through out the campaign
all to keep the only REAL CANDIDATE with experience and LEADERSHIP OUT Of the race!
FAIR fight! lol
is there such a thing?
Obama raised $20 million in May and had $43.00 left at the end of the month. In addition, the DNC still hasn’t raised enough money for the Convention. Interesting that the donations were lower as it became obvious that he was to be the nominee. Has he tapped out the major donors? Have the Republicans stopped donating now that Sen. Clinton is out? Are her donors refusing to pony up? Has the DNC pushed core Dem. donors & supporters too far? Maybe they got the message-get on the bus or get under it.
I am all for the DNC not having enough money to throw their “Big Tent” party, but what is the source for this? I would like to post it on other sites.
http://savagepolitics.com/
Watch the 12 minute “The Real Top Gun” video here. Then tell me where I can go see a video about oblassoles ACTUAL patriotism… Ah that would be the one of him in Wrights church hootin and hollering for GD America of the KKK ad nauseum….
There is an article on Savage Politics today. CNN contacted the McCain campaign and said:
“SavagePolitics.com, another anti-Obama site that has run McCain ads, has called Obama a “bold faced liar, a thief, a sexist and a racist.”
The McCain campaign pulled the ads after being notified by CNN.
Rogers said the campaign often has no control over where their ads show up on the Web. That’s because the campaign uses a third-party vendor — in this case, Google — to distribute their banner ads across a broad array of political Web sites by searching for certain key words.
When the campaign is made aware of ads appearing on offensive or irrelevant Web sites, Rogers said, they notify the ad distributor and have the sites added to a list of blocked URLs. He noted the McCain campaign has already blocked “tens of thousands” of such sites. (CLICK HERE TO READ)
CAN you believe this. I wrote to the McCain campaign. Haven’t heard back yet. Commies are at work here in the USA, namely, CNN. Obama has to stop anyone who tells the public the truth about him. Truly disgusting.
Comment by rorybellows | 2008-07-02 10:09:58
I think it was a phonecall.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes it was, but who is saying all this…I mean we have heard it all for a week.
I do think that Bill will end up supporting Obama in the long run.
However, to me it does seem strange that we keep hearing from the Obama camp and a few aides since about Friday but not Bill himself.
Bill is still pissed, I don’t doubt that, but he’ll fall in line. This election is too important.
Fall in Line? God, I hate you and all Obama minions. We will never fall in line so just die now. My mother came from a country where everyone just ‘fell in line’. She worked her ass off picking grapes to earn enough money to escape. She came here so she wouldn’t have to ‘fall in line’ anymore. GODDAMN! WHERE DO YOU COME FROM AND HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY? I tell ya what, trade places with some of my cousins, they are tired of falling in line, and you seem to enjoy having other people think for you. UnAmerican scumbag.
Geez. All I said was Bill will fall in line. Relax.
As you have “fallen inline” the part you missed that StrawberrybitesBarky was pointing to you is that the line you are standing is the one for Soylent Green. igit
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Soylent Green is made out of people, that’s the line your in.
ol rory is too little to know about Solent Green… Besides it would be too far over his head
Yeah, I think the “Soylent Green is people!” line is much more appropriate to this election cycle than even, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore!”
Get your ass off the phone Hamas. Your master is calling you on the other line.
It’s important to REAL DEMOCRATS that Obama lose. I guess you haven’t noticed where Bill had a (D) behind his name during those two administrations. And Oblahblah was singing the praises of RR? Fck off.
Bill will run himself into a wall and give himself a separated shoulder. We won’t need his x-rays any more than BO is showing his IL senate records. I hope that Bill is a no show for every commitment he makes to the fraud who is the DEM candidate.
Obama will shift shaft on every issue, the man has no stance on anything and no proven record (oh I forget the missing Illinois Senate Records) I got 100 acres of prime swamp land 4 sale I will even throw in free mosquito’s to the first 10 Obama supporters..Drinkers Of the Juice.
Hillary scrubbed her website…ck it out
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/02/clinton-attacks-against-obama-vanish-web/
I dont know why???
b/c she’s not running against obama anymore. she’s on his team now, why would she want to keep promoting her material from when she ran against him. this is totally normal stuff.
There is an article I read this morning, I can’t remember what website but Obama insisted she scrub her website and she did.
Obama Voters Protest His Switch on Telecom Immunity
WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama’s decision to support legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants has led to an intense backlash among some of his most ardent supporters.
Thousands of them are now using the same grass-roots organizing tools previously mastered by the Obama campaign to organize a protest against his decision.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Hes pissing off drinkers of the juice….LMAO
I LOVE the fact that they are using his own site.
He claimed “no control” when it was Randi Rhodes and the Panthers. Let’s see how much “control” they exercise when the bitching is directed at him. I can’t wait. Pass that popcorn down to the end, please. Any extra butter on it?
I don’t think Barrack Obama has a philosophy. I think he’s wherever he needs to be to get elected. He hung out with those activists and attended churches to get the black votes he needed to get into the Il Legislature. He’s now shifting to whereever he needs to be on WHATEVER in order to pander to specific groups so he can get votes.
He’s no idealogical anything. He’s an arrogant opportunist plain and simple.
Many readers–and many parties around the country–are rightfully upset that the “Black National Anthem” was sung instead of the REAL American National Anthem at Denver Mayor John Hickenloper’s delivery of the State of the City address, yesterday morning.
It’s the equivalent of singing a Nazi anthem from Germany to open an American government event. No difference. But why sing, “Deutchland Uber Alles,” when you can sing “Schwarzen Uber Alles”?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
Yeah, African Americans are just like Nazis.
CNN is running a story online that MO is not very well perceived according to the findings in a new poll. Perhaps you want to run over there and add some MORE racist spin that the other bots haven’t thought of yet?
From the very same website
I think it is important to not just vote for McCain, but to vote a straight Republican ticket because that is the only way the Dems will get the message. I know how hard this will be because I have never voted for a Republican for President or anything else, but from what I heard the superdelegates told Hillary they did not care about winning the Presidency they just cared about getting obama’s money for their campaigns and all of the new voters. I for one am going to dash their desires..there is no way I will vote for any of the bums. Also, I believe that if a large number of Hillary voters vote for McCain and Repubs we will have a voice in the administration and that will move it to a more moderate position. I understand that McCain has told some Clinton supporters that he will be appointing more women to positions, and it would be nice to replace sandra day o’connor with a moderate woman.
for more info contact Carolina North at carolinanorth@rnc.com
No, actually, I am not a Republican and have never voted for one. Sorry…but I truly believe if Hillary is not the nominee, that that is the best way to go…
The truth hurts.
rorybellows, Do you honestly think posting RNC email links is making any points?
Is that all ya got? YOU own BO he is your igit, defend or run away like the yellow coward BO, did on every issue facing him.
FYI; I am voting for McCain who was not my first choice.
I agree. I will be voting a straight Repub ticket here in NC. We actually have some very good public servants running this year here in NC who are repubs. Uhbama wasn’t even my third choice.
Rep David Price, Mayor Meeker of Raleigh, Beverly Purdue (candidate for governor), all big Obama supporters and big disappointments.
Rep Heath Shuler had the courage to support Hillary, but only because she won his district.
Fat chance. Run along.
We’re sending a message to the DEM party.
DemMcCrat for a day: 11/04/08.
Downticket: DEM.
And it’s SUPER important people in Massachusetts remain Dem to vote in the primary in SEPTEMBER, for Ed O’Reilly….DUMP KERRY!!!!!!
I have no problem not voting for any dems this year. None of them except Hillary deserve to be re-elected. That way at least they won’t control the congress and the senate and we might actually get some democrats with a backbone in in their place. I intend to do everything I can for Hillary and the few democrats who stood by her. I will not however, support the democrats who stole our votes and stood by and sanctioned this undemocratic election. Also, where do these supers get off? I mean if we can find out all this information on Obama why haven’t they? Head up ass? Sounds like it to me. Money, power? That does not make a good democrat.
Unfortunately a Hillary nomination at the convention is as likely as Democrat saying “Read My Lips, No New Taxes!”
Obama is going to have to pull off an incredible gaff, or worse, get indicted for Rezco “Pay to Play” schemes.
While Obama will likely be indicted, it won’t happen before the convention, because Fitzgerald has not yet announced that Obama is under investigation.
My wife and I plan to voice our dipleasure by voting for the best candidate left – John McCain.
McCain ‘08, and then watch Pelosi and dean get their asses kicked out of the Party leadership.
Over a span of 40 years, I have voted for 4 republicans: one sheriff, one governor, two senators.In August, I will be voting a straight republican ticket! The Supreme Court is already conservative by 5 to 4, and our country has survided! The Democratic party sold out as soon as “O-Bellow” delivered the money bags! That really sweetened the deal for the Clinton haters INSIDE the party! I’m waiting to see which rat jumps on the Titanic as VP!
That’s how I feel. I have survived this long under a Republican. I feel that McCain is “safer” than Obama; I do not see that the Democratic Party is all that interested in doing anything different: they have had their chance and so far nothing has changed. Pelosi and Reid are disasters…
‘Survived’ is the perfect word. People like to say that Bush and Cheney were incompetent failures, but I disagree. It only depends on who you are. We elected an oil man and a former defense contractor CEO. And what did we get? And endless occupation of an oil rich country and 142 dollar a barrel oil. They don’t seem so incompetent when you look at it that way. We got what we deserved. Let’s keep it going by voting Republican again!
They were enabled by a dysfunctional opposition.
If the Dems won’t do their job, why should they be rewarded. People hate tyrants, but they detest collaborators and enablers.
All this happened with a Republican majority, so yes, the ‘opposition’ by the Republican majority was pretty dysfunctional. Democrats like Hillary voting to authorize the war didn’t help much either.
Back to Kos with you. You’ll feel at home there. They’ll love the fantistic excuses you make up for him.
but why can’t you respond to the substance of his comment?
Democrats like Hillary voting to authorize the war
BO did not vote. get a clue. If you bother to watch C-SPAN and the senate Rublican monkey wrench , THAT is what the Dems should have done but they are a bunch of WIMPS and you support them. What does that make you?
If the dems wanted our troops home they did not have to even bring the funding bills to the floor. BO voted FOR funding.
All of this happened under a Republican majority, really?
The Speaker of the House is a Democrat and so is the Senate Majority Leader. That would indicate a Democratic majority.
The price of oil was approximately $70 a barrel when Democrats became the majority party in Congress. Two years later, the price of oil is over $140 a barrel. That happened under a Democratic majority.
The decision to use military force against Iraq was bi-partisan. 77 Senators out of 100 voted for H.J.Res. 114.
Well, McCain’s wife is heiress to a beer bottling company….hmm…more beer, sounds good to me.
I think I’ve voted for one Republican my entire life. I’m so pissed off at Democrats right now, that I may not vote for any of them in the fall. I will vote for McCain and then possibly vote Libertarian or other 3rd party down the rest of the ticket.
Carolina you are absolutely correct the Dems will do nothing different than the republicans. They have supporter all the Repubs bills. McCain has stood against repubs hes is a safe bet
What did the past two years get us? Bupkis.
Oversight on the constitutional abuses by the White House for one.
Oh yeah. I was so worried about steroids in baseball. I am relieved that that has been put to bed. Whereas we still have the thieves in their same jobs except for those who resigned and are writing books …. “impeachment is off the table?” What do they have on Nancy PeePee that has her running scared? Jeffersons in her freezer?
Kucinich or Edwards would have made disasterous presidents. Both have great theories on how things should be, but with no workable plan how to achieve their goals. Both are great at demonizing, but this would not be a helpful skill when compromise and bi-partisan leadership is required.
Obama is just another Dubya. If you want to know who will benefit from an Obama presidency you just have to follow the pattern of who has benefitted from his time at a State and then Federal Senator. At the state level, he promoted the interests of corrupt property developers, who were his financial backers, over the interests of the citizens who were suffering in inadequate housing. When he go to the federal level, he kicked back tens of millions to the district of his kingmaker, Emil Jones Jr.
Who will benefit from an Obama presidency? Just line up his main financial backers and count the ways he can help them. During his entire career, Obama has not promoted a single social cause. Why should he start now?
If American wants a president who has a firm, fair, and just sense of what America should be, then America had better elect Hillary Clinton.
Even McCain would be better than Obama, because McCain at least has a strong sense of social justice. And, although McCain has the ability to compromise, he has many deeply held convictions and won’t do the sort of about-face Obama has been performing over and over again these past weeks. People may not always agree with McCain, but at least they do know where he stands.
Yeah, deeply held positions like being against Bush’s tax cuts. Being for his immigration bill then against it. And for a cap and trade system on fossil fuels to increase their price and reduce our dependence, while at the same time being for drilling for fossil fuels off our coastlines in order to lower the prices of fossil fuels so that we can become more dependent on them.
Oh yeah, I forgot, being against torture but now for it.
Neither one of them have addressed the issue of private contractors, being in Iraq or anywhere else around the globe for 100 years. They both need to be pressed on this issue. It is a back door for both of them. The issue should have been addressed in the primaries to all the candidates.
I agree. WTF, I agreed with someone on this site?
What, should we give you a pat on the back for being against something before you were for it?
lol
Go back to Huff Up OB Post, and get all the lol that you need from there.
Alright, I’ll leave you alone. Sounds like you don’t want to be debated with for some reason. Have fun!
This is not a game! OB and his followers are playing with peoples livelihoods.
Obama has said that he would move the troops to Afghanistan and Blackwater and other mercenaries would continue the battle in Iraq. He is not opposed to mercenaries.
Agreed, but he is for oversight on them: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:s.00674:
Don’t mercenaries remind you at all of people being paid to do what we have a military for? Doesn’t it sound like an excuse not to have a draft?
It sounds like an excuse to take our tax money and give it to the “private” domain.
Sure, like there is sooooo much oversight in the SLUMS he gave over to private management in his Chicago districts that a little boy is dead today, crushed by a rusty gate.
And the media passes it off as an “accident.”
Dream the fuck on.
That’s exactly right, and when Obama was asked about problems in the Rezco slums in his OWN district, “I…uhhhh…know there may have been some constituents that uhhhh..called or wrote..uhhh…but uhh..”
McCain supports social justice? Look at the Democrat Tax Plans – checked by the Tax Policy Centre
Under Obama the lowest income groups will be significantly better off. Under McCain the richest will be the biggest gainers. Anyone who claims to be a Democrat can not support that.
                                                      MCCAIN                           OBAMA
Income                                                                     Avg. tax bill                                 Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M                                                      -$269,364                                   +$701,885
$603K and up                                                     -$45,361                                 +$115,974
$227K-$603K                                                       -$7,871                                            +$12
$161K-$227K                                                       -$4,380                                       -$2,789
$112K-$161K                                                       -$2,614                                      -$2,204
$66K-$112K                                                         -$1,009                                      -$1,290
$38K-$66K                                                               -$319                                        -$1,042
$19K-$38K                                                               -$113                                            -$892
Under $19K                                                                 -$19                                          -$567
sorry but I left my BOBO detector wonder glasses back in the… just kidding
lol, you crack me up Wildchild!
Should have tried that without using basic html!
MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567
If this is true then my pocketbook says I should vote McCain, usually I’m not against taxes, per se as I believe the government needs revenue. If I knew my tax $$ were going to fund healthcare and education…with Oblahma, I’m not sure where the $$ would go…probably into someone like Rezco’s bank account.
the   cock up!
wow, im going to namespace my way to a whopping 1029 bucks from O’Bama, its kinda like you know what? Im not really to sell out on the promise of a thousand bucks, thanks anyway, go sell your Kool Aid somewhere else.
Just got $600 from Bush did not make all of it worth it.
Last I recall, Uhbama voted for that pork bloated energy bill. Let us not forget that if Uhbama had his way, we would be gone from Iraq right now. What a mess that would have been! I wonder why we don’t see too much fuss about that.
Yeah, the ethnic cleansing of mixed neighborhoods and the arming of Sunni militias has worked brilliantly. I can’t imagine that ever coming back to bite us in the butt. But I’m confused, when things are violent we can’t leave, but now that things are less violent we can’t leave, right? Obama predicted this mess, btw.
BO was the ONLY person to predict this? Can I see a link please. And not to that garbage pail of a website. How is it he could go to TUCC and not predict it could be a problem? But Iraq, where he has been ONCE, he could see clearly …. you have some serious fairy tale issues remaining I see.
I didn’t say he was the only person to predict a mess in Iraq. And the speech I’m referring to was before we invaded, so going to Iraq and getting a guided tour by the occupying army wouldn’t really help. We should have never been an occupying army to begin with.
I do agree that one cannot praise Uhbama’s judgment on Iraq without questioning his misjudgments. Maybe he just lucked out.
His “prediction” was again easy. Another example of no courage. He was making a speech in a district that was anti-war. How hard is that?
He was running for Senator of Illinois. Not exactly a ‘district.’ And his predictions were eerily prescient no matter whether you like the man or not. Besides, I’ll take pandering and correct than pandering (Hillary’s war vote) and wrong any day of the week.
Looks like you’re totally good with pandering. Same old washington style politics …. not me.
Want to hear a great fairy tale? Hillary won the primary and it was stolen from her. I thought Obama supporters were supposed to be the delusional believers?
I would suspect a minority of Clinton’s supporters feel it was “stolen” from her. I myself do not characterize it that way.
By making a broad statement like that you are showing that you are naive or too lazy to read the various rationales in regard to the nominating process.
I do not consider Obama’s supporters as being delusional, just misinformed
You must have skipped a post. We were talking about pandering. And to the right … doesn’t it bother you in the least that the line will blur more between church and state? That the telecoms are going to get off scott free for wire taps that were unnecessary in light of existing law? That public funding was so quickly abandoned without even one face to face meeting with McCain? He has no moral compass from what I can tell.
Obama tried to say that they did in fact meet about public financing…another lie.
I am not quite sure how the Dem party can support giving money to religious groups, charitable or not. It does blur the line. I cannot recall if the dems were for this or not in the past two campaigns.
I do not mind the pandering so much…it is a fact of politics…but to be so obvious about it?
I’ll do them one by one.
Church and State – Yes it bothers me.
Telecoms- Tough one, it’s like how I feel about impeaching and or arresting Bush and Cheney. I wish it would happen, but it’s not realistic. I wish that bill was tougher for sure.
Public Funding- I don’t mind this one. I want a Democrat to win the White House.
Same as above, go back to Huff Up Obama post and debate with your own people.
Huff Post is like the Fox News of the left. Trashy and full of misleading headlines. There’s much better out there.
I want a Democrat to win, too. I don’t think we have one on the ballot. That is why I am not supporting the party this year.
Hmmm…who were all those other Dems that voted for the war? You forgot to throw them under the bus. The way I see it, Obama did not have a vote on the matter so any public statements he has made on this are moot. But then again, maybe he would have pushed the wrong button.
Whatever. He was standing in a district. He was standing at a podium that was in a district. He was standing in an “area” talking to people that were mainly anti-war. That speech, then recreated speech in a studio, is about the only thing that you have to hold onto to justify your argument that he is a progressive.
Funny and true. But my point is he was right, no matter if it was pandering on any level. He was running for Senate, (and had presidential aspirations) and he would have to live with the consequences of being wrong and painted some sort of Commie Marxist leftist. Just look around this site, thank God that didn’t happen. (snark) Try to remember the hysteria in this country about ‘terror’ at that time. Just look around this site, thank God that hysteria doesn’t still exist. (snark) So my point is no matter who his immediate audience was, it still took some level of political courage, and he was completely correct on his analysis of the situation.
He said he had NO “presidential aspirations” on Meet the (Next President) Press. Another lie!
Everyone says that. C’mon, let’s be realistic. I was assuming he has presidential aspirations. Everyone in politics does, or else they wouldn’t have gotten into politics in the first place.
You have assumed us all into the position of making a donkey out of you and me. People are living the DEM party because of your asinine assumptions.
So assuming that someone running for Senate has presidential aspirations is asinine? Sigh.
He was running for Senate?
Emil Jones…”Gonna make me a Senator”
Running is not what occured.
He put it on his website. Then he took it down because it upset the DLC. Don’t believe me? Check with the brothers at Black Agenda. He thought so much of his “word” that he took them down. What a patriot. So much like “give me liberty or give me death,” don’t you think?
OMG, political courage!? From Barky the flim flam man? It would have been political courage if the audience was PRO war! He was pandering plain and simple. And if he was at all worried about future ramifications of such a speech he knew he could just wiggle waggle out of it just like hes doing right now…political courage, that’s a good one!
So now he’s a prophet, not only the Messiah?
eerily prescient? duh, I predicted it too, elect me Prez
So the fick what?
I believe that us being over there is a good thing right now. Especially with what is going on with Iran. Let’s not forget that Obama second-guessed his own thoughts on the matter after the statue fell. Regardless of the negatives, things are going pretty well now and the Iraq military has come together. It would have been a mistake to leave…we created the chaos and leaving before the country was stable would have just led to more chaos. The citizens tell the tale, and from what I have heard in interviews, they are for the most part, optimistic.
I know that I don’t know enough to know whether our being there is good or bad. What I do know is that we ARE there. Something else? Handing it off to Obama? NEVER. It would be like going into the stands to find a wide receiver for fourth down in the final minute of sudden death.
Good analogy
With the instability in the area (Iraq/Israel), I think it is good that we have troops/supplies over there.
The prospect of Uhbama being in the middle of this whole mess is scary.
Friday, July 4th donate $5.44 to McCains official site. This is an event “Green Rain for McCain”. Join millions by donating that amt to McCain on Friday.
This will send a powerful message that we mean business.
Pass the word.
It does not have to only be $5 though. Just end in .44 in honor of Hillary. Check out hcjfjm.com … Ed who runs it is a pretty determined guy. He is supposed to begin his radio show soon and has a few Obama supporters lined up.
correction… hcsfjm.com
It’s truly difficult to tell where the flim-flam man stands politically, since he’s all over the place in his positions and changes them on a daily-to-weekly basis. But there’s no doubt in my mind that the far left is behind his candidacy. Dean and Brazile are behind him, and he has had decades-long associations with Marxists, Black Theologists, and leftist terrorists. He’s at least a puppet of the far left, if not an adherent. These people want an end to religion and conventional morality so that they can impose their own standards on America. The gay agenda and the atheist agenda are, you can bet, hand in glove in this Obama push. And people can brand this idea as the mad musings of the bitter, clinging crowd all they want. Most Americans know it’s the truth, and OBAMA WILL LOSE IN A LANDSLIDE if he is indeed the nominee.
Let’s see now…
Obama is unelectable, soon to be “seen” (with exquisite timing) by the cartel media and press as such. Hillary, who has been obvious as a leading candidate since forever will be “seen” as unelectable because the Obama campaign with a little help from Soros and the big big money crowd, along with Dr. Dean, whose family background nobody seems to care about, did her in and crystallized a body of “Clinton-haters,” which ostensibly make her unelectable (thank goodness, because the last thing we…errr… the free-market, WTO, floating-exchange-rate, utopians, want is someone who might be an FDR-type president who puts people first against the market speculators and casino-operators, hyperinflation and austerity be damned). So…
Looks like the Democratic party needs a “unifier,” no? Lessee… we’ll get a hundred or so super deles to withhold their votes on the first ballot at the convention, and BEG dear fat old Uncle Al Gore to pleeze step in and save the party (I bet he’s been writing his speech for months now.) Whew, another drama created and resolved by the great chess-players.
Kos and his kossaks will patch things up with most of the prodigal sons and daughters… Why not, since “we are united behind gore now?
And meanwhile things will be hoorifically more chaotic in Iran and thereabouts, the U.S. dollar will be plunging to new depths against gold, the euro and other currencies, and China and Russia will be largely blamed by the cartel media and press.
The realities of life are getting rapidly uglier for the lower 80-odd percentile of the economic spectrum. Banks closing, millions of families’ mortgages foreclosed. Food and gas prices will be accelerating yet upward. Gore wil be talking up “Public-Private partnerships” and sustainable austerity and genocide while the people who still have jobs and homes will be glued to the press and media listening to Gore’s confident sophisms.
Nobody could ever (cough… cough…) have thought this could happen.
Clinton can not get the nomination if people buy into this crap.
Tick, tick, tick…
This is the only country in the world where poor people are fat! If you want to ask a poor person a question in America, he has to put down his game-boy and pull his ear pods out of his walkman.
Yes, times are tough, but put in perspective, nobody here in America should bitch too much if they look anywhere else.
Poor people here often bitch about the fact that they only basic cable.
It is all Very relative.
Bread and circuses.
Measure the physical economy (hard and soft infrastructure) not that crap. The nation has been going downhill a long time and it’s accelerating. At the same time monetary and financial instruments (”assets” that are totally fraudulent are being created as fast as the fat little fingers can type on a keyboard to speculate in the “markets” (AKA casinos).
I’ve been living in underdeveloped countries for 20 years. I’m bitching.
You don’t measure an ECONOMY by walkmans, fat people and game boys. The U.S. is being destroyed from within. INTENTIONALLY.
Eating cheap garbage has a way of making that happen.
In the depression many people went to the movies as a way of forgetting the ills of the day.
That’s what an Ipod is on that level.
Why are our military family members receiving food stamps?
We don’t pay soldiers enough money is why. My previous and admittedly acerbic statement is more accurately stated as a case that poverty is relative. I’m not saying its acceptable.
Mercenaries are (currently) well-paid. More imperial policies. Beware the scum seeking to privatize the military, like Al Gore (Speaking of fat…)
I’m glad a moderate Democrat finally has the guts to come out and admit that the far left wing loons have taken over your party again, just like they did in 1972.
The best thing a moderate Democrat could possibly do for the Democratic Party would be to vote for John McCain in November. Maybe that will cause the national party to rid themselves of caustic assholes like Howard Dean, tell the “nutroots” to go fuck themselves, and move back to the center to where it can start winning elections again.
I mean, if the Democrats can’t pull out a win THIS time when EVERYTHING is lining up in their favor, then it certainly should be a wake-up call to the national party that they’ve drifted way too far to the left.
The Republicans have seen the opportunity and have doen the smart thing by moving away from the knuckle-dragging whack jobs on the extreme right and towards the center with McCain.
The Dems wont win, and yes they had everything going for them or so we thought in our naievety. but I dont really like your snarky attitude towards Dems, man. In 72 we were wacky leftists? Didnt feel like it then, but maybe that is what the OBamatrons delusionally feel now….
“The best thing a moderate Democrat could possibly do for the Democratic Party” is kick ass and get Senator Clinton treated fairly.
People just don’t understand the stakes here.
Thank you for this excellent post iamonly1. you said so well what millions of us feel. Believe it we will make it so.
So say we all.
I completely agree with the writer of the article. Through the entire primary season, I believed that Hillary would pull through, that the universe would right itself. I mean, surely, the powers that be, God, Allah, whomever, wouldn’t let this man get elected. When Hillary’s chances dwindled, I thought something miraculous would happen and she would win. I really seriously believed that. Now I’m not sure what to believe anymore. I would absolutely love it if she showed up the convention and started a fist fight! After all that’s happened, I think I’ve lost faith and am pretty sure the convention is going to be as predictable as can be. The superdelegates, who’ve already shown themselves to be complete idiots more interested in their own re-election prospects, will line up behind Obama and feed us more crap about what a great man he is. I don’t think it’s possible for miracle anymore, that the superdelegates will stand up and say, “Hey, you know what? We made a mistake. Hillary is what’s best for this country.”
A miracle of that size would require an additional “Look out for flying pigs!” warning.
Hillary and Bill will enthusiastically show their support for BO for one reason…they have the backs of the courageous AA elected officials who endorsed her and are now being threatened with primary challenges.
Apparently, Obama is punishing all of them regardless.
Jesse Jackson JR. is on a witch hunt to take down all AA office holders who supported Hillary.
If the super dels don/t want to be held hostage by Obama thugs for th enext 4 years, they should flip flop on him in Denver.
And this disgusting lot here is not trying to blackmail the party by threatening to vote for McWar unless the losing candidate is selcted. Well Hillary has dropped out. There will be no Hillary candidacy in 2008.
Actually, no, we’re not. In America, we have this quaint concept of democracy. We believe we have the right to vote for the person we deem most appropriate for the work at hand, regardless of party. That’s why we have ballots that include ALL the candidates names on it.
Funny, some candidates chose this year not to include their names on some ballots, but they were given delegates anyway. Doesn’t seem very democratic to me. And, in America, where we pride ourselves on the peaceful transition of power, we take those thoughts with us to the (still private) voting booths.
This is a forum for those who may break from their party, and those who have concerns about Mr Obama. All others need not apply.
yes uknotforDems, please walk crablike backwards to your snarky little cave and cavort with your Obamian friends. We have a right to dissent and free discourse, or dont they teach that in OBmamaBootCampforGeshtapos?
Yup. I’ve been dipping into the Big Boy Blogs to sample some tasty schadenfreude. Sadly, the KoolAid Kultists are STILL so delusional that they back up every criticism with “but of course I’ll still vote for him/give him money/etc.” So of course Obama will respond the way anyone does to fawning sycophants: with contempt.
They really think they’re going to “hold his feet to the fire” while still giving him their support.They call it “giving him a chance to lead.” LOLOL, yes, because he has proven himself so capable of this! God, they are TRULY delusional.
Many of Obama’s door-to-door grassroots volunteers are rabidly-left wing progressives. They were organized via Moveon.org.
These people still brag about voting for Nader to teach Gore a lesson.
And many of them are now vowing to do it again.
Obama’s swing to the right will never get him enough votes to counterbalance the progressive votes he’s going to lose.
Any minute now, BO will have to announce he’s changed his mind about withdrawing from Iraq.
He’ll probably do it after he visits the troops and comes back with great news about how well things are going.
When he flip flops on Iraq he will lose a HUGE number of supporters including the newly-registered college kids they recruited via MySpace and Facebook.
These kids were convinced to vote for BO on Iraq alone.
If he flips on this, they will prbabaly stay home and he will hemmorage even more votes.
Centrists and right leaning voters will never trust him enough to make up for that vote loss.
I hate to say this because I don’t want to get slammed, but what the heck at this point.
I will probably vote Nader. (I will never vote for OB). My reasoning is to build the IND party. I have been an IND for 16 years, waiting for the time that we could move beyond 2 parties.
let them eat, I have been seriously thinking about that too…
I agree also with blogger above who said something about McCain being supporter by a large number of Dems could bring him back center (maybe or maybe not) anyway he isnt as far right as many.
Nader at least has some guts to stand up to the cultish press
What, you’ve lost faith in the power of the Koolaid? I hope you’re right, uh, correct about that but I think it takes a lot more to fall out of love than in. They will cling, much like Olbermann, to the faint hope that Obama has some Divine plan which we, the unworthy, are too dense to understand.
How many times have you seen that sonofabitch put his condescending arm around someone?
Trick question. The answer is the number of people under the bus. First he gets his arm around them, then he throws ‘em under.
It is a sad lesson when a young person must learn the lessons of this cruel world. I”m old and am getting to the point that I don’t give a crap anymore. After awhile you get numb to it.
Obama is using race to get elected, only Obama is not African American by the minority definiton. He is actually an Arab American. More and more African Americans are seeing through Obama. Obama is 50% white, almost 44% Arab American, and just a small percentage above 6% African American.
Unless Obama can produce a REAL birth certidicate I believe he is an African Muslim.
Thanks. This is exactly my voting strategy. The more support McCain gets from the center, the less he has to appease the radical right. If the radical right weighs the consequences of a MoveOn takeover, some of them might just leave McCain alone. Not many, but some.
Obama’s ideology is irrelevant because he’s a hoochie whore. MoveOn money is corrupting just like oil company money. I emphasize there is nothing campaign finance reform can or should do about internet ‘bundlers’, but voters should recognize that Obama’s ‘clients’ on the radical left will threaten to turn off the money tap if Obama doesn’t ‘put out.’
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Is Obama really radical left? Weird!
I do still have hope that Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the Democratic Nomineee too!
Then I could switch my vote from McCain back to Clinton. Because there isn’t a chance in hell I’ll reward Obama for lying, cheating, stealing, and worst of all the race baiting – calling good Americans Racists so that he can win the selection and lose to McCain.
O the ring.
Also voting McCain is probably the best way to defeat Barky the fascist kool aide promoter, so I will support McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY2wa_cDXjI
Obama’s latest Video on Welfare Reform Bill,saying he set it up.Is another Lie.The newspapers in the last couple of days, have posted info, where Obama rejected the plan,and now he’s trying to take credit for it. The Republicans set, the bill up in the 90’s and Bill Clinton signed the bill. Hope Mccain catches this one.
You people are so full of shit… Nothing but bitter cry babies that can’t accept that HRC is a divisive figure that ran a piss poor example of a campaign and lost ON HER OWN.
There wasn’t some conspiracy to destroy Hillary.
Get over yourselves quit fucking crying and move on.
Thanks we have moved on. LOL to McCain.