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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-1054471</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your post. Absolutely excellent information and very useful for me. Great done and keep posted. Looking forward to reading more from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your post. Absolutely excellent information and very useful for me. Great done and keep posted. Looking forward to reading more from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Even the New York Times Editorial Board Turns on Obama : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-423043</link>
		<dc:creator>Even the New York Times Editorial Board Turns on Obama : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven Mather</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420940</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Mather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear sfhillary,

Here are some examples of your "rapier wit."  I understand that some are responses to others.

"Good to know you guys are keeping your focus on the important issues: finding as many scary black people as possible to associate Obama with! Eyes on the prize, and all that…"

 "(stop me if I’m not writing with sufficient intelligence for you), and in fact (that’s in reality, I mean, not in your fantasy world)  In your happy little delusion land, Obama is in trouble. "

 "You are living in a dream world. Seriously. You haven’t the faintest clue what you are talking about this year. "

"Don’t wade into waters you do not understand, beebop."  

"But hey, you continue to delude yourselves that Obama is “toast,” “unelectable,” “cannot win.” You have a few more months to have fun with your cute little fringe hate site before you have to return to reality."

"You PUMA people, honestly, are a fucking joke. Your numbers are utterly miniscule — not even a rounding error in national electoral calculus — the traffic numbers on your network of sites are not growing (yes, we are watching, just in case, and they aren’t; NQ peaked right when Larry was promising a whitey tape and dropped way back down after the tape failed to surface). The vast majority of HRC voters will wind up voting Democrat this fall, for the simple reason that, hello, they’re Democrats. Unlike you hate site clowns"

As to your effect on free speech, please consider that many of the people that post here were driven off Democrat blogs for nothing more than differing from a pro-Obama perspective.  It is hardly surprising that they feel hostile to people that come in here using the same tactics that conquered their earlier homes.  I have experienced it first hand.  Analytic posts containing no ad hominem, racist, sexist, or homophobic commentary were removed because they did not agree with the Obama party line.  

Furthermore, locales that offered refuge were then flooded with the now f(l)amed Obamabots, such as happened in this thread today from you, though your commentary is less insulting or extreme.   This ties into my point about the assault on freedom of speech.  By flooding/polluting refuge blogs, or getting them shut down, Obamabots inhibit freedom of association by crashing the party.  

In this regard, Democratic sites were sanitized of discourse so they could provide Obamaesque meditative drones.  Fine.  We want our drones as well, but Obama supporters craving the rough and tumble discourse that their sites disallow feel the need to harass us.  

Finally, we would both be foolish if we thought that the more egregious posts were not the work of black ops people employed/motivated by those that want to discredit this blog.

Yours,
Steven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear sfhillary,</p>
<p>Here are some examples of your &#8220;rapier wit.&#8221;  I understand that some are responses to others.</p>
<p>&#8220;Good to know you guys are keeping your focus on the important issues: finding as many scary black people as possible to associate Obama with! Eyes on the prize, and all that…&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;(stop me if I’m not writing with sufficient intelligence for you), and in fact (that’s in reality, I mean, not in your fantasy world)  In your happy little delusion land, Obama is in trouble. &#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;You are living in a dream world. Seriously. You haven’t the faintest clue what you are talking about this year. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t wade into waters you do not understand, beebop.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;But hey, you continue to delude yourselves that Obama is “toast,” “unelectable,” “cannot win.” You have a few more months to have fun with your cute little fringe hate site before you have to return to reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You PUMA people, honestly, are a fucking joke. Your numbers are utterly miniscule — not even a rounding error in national electoral calculus — the traffic numbers on your network of sites are not growing (yes, we are watching, just in case, and they aren’t; NQ peaked right when Larry was promising a whitey tape and dropped way back down after the tape failed to surface). The vast majority of HRC voters will wind up voting Democrat this fall, for the simple reason that, hello, they’re Democrats. Unlike you hate site clowns&#8221;</p>
<p>As to your effect on free speech, please consider that many of the people that post here were driven off Democrat blogs for nothing more than differing from a pro-Obama perspective.  It is hardly surprising that they feel hostile to people that come in here using the same tactics that conquered their earlier homes.  I have experienced it first hand.  Analytic posts containing no ad hominem, racist, sexist, or homophobic commentary were removed because they did not agree with the Obama party line.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, locales that offered refuge were then flooded with the now f(l)amed Obamabots, such as happened in this thread today from you, though your commentary is less insulting or extreme.   This ties into my point about the assault on freedom of speech.  By flooding/polluting refuge blogs, or getting them shut down, Obamabots inhibit freedom of association by crashing the party.  </p>
<p>In this regard, Democratic sites were sanitized of discourse so they could provide Obamaesque meditative drones.  Fine.  We want our drones as well, but Obama supporters craving the rough and tumble discourse that their sites disallow feel the need to harass us.  </p>
<p>Finally, we would both be foolish if we thought that the more egregious posts were not the work of black ops people employed/motivated by those that want to discredit this blog.</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
Steven</p>
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		<title>By: WildChild</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420636</link>
		<dc:creator>WildChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now would probably be a good time for you to leave the room for a bit an cry.</description>
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		<title>By: Karma</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420626</link>
		<dc:creator>Karma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a disposable society I can understand why Obama appeals to you then.

Since, he has disposed of all his positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a disposable society I can understand why Obama appeals to you then.</p>
<p>Since, he has disposed of all his positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420613</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420607</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I would agree with Victor David Hanson, but he nails it about residents of Palo Alto, their Mercedes and Lexus SUVs, and their private schools.  My own neighbor here wears Obama like a fashion statement and therefore feels absolved of any guilt arising from status, wealth or race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I would agree with Victor David Hanson, but he nails it about residents of Palo Alto, their Mercedes and Lexus SUVs, and their private schools.  My own neighbor here wears Obama like a fashion statement and therefore feels absolved of any guilt arising from status, wealth or race.</p>
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		<title>By: Karma</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420450</link>
		<dc:creator>Karma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup...with old tube amps and vintage speakers.  ;)

If they only knew....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup&#8230;with old tube amps and vintage speakers.  <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If they only knew&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: andySF</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420369</link>
		<dc:creator>andySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all this from you, Sh*t, F**k, etc, and Maccain's the one with temper? What's your IQ by the way? It's over 140? if not, you have no right to bring that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all this from you, Sh*t, F**k, etc, and Maccain&#8217;s the one with temper? What&#8217;s your IQ by the way? It&#8217;s over 140? if not, you have no right to bring that up.</p>
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		<title>By: StrawberrybitesBarky</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420207</link>
		<dc:creator>StrawberrybitesBarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be a diary. Wonderful!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420193</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, one comment about Victor Davis Hanson and I'm suddenly the devil incarnate.  Who knew I wielded so much power?

As the intrepid sfhillary keeps trying to point out, almost every anti-Obama link in this zoo is from a non-Democratic perspective.  It makes it hard to believe that you're not on the McCain team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, one comment about Victor Davis Hanson and I&#8217;m suddenly the devil incarnate.  Who knew I wielded so much power?</p>
<p>As the intrepid sfhillary keeps trying to point out, almost every anti-Obama link in this zoo is from a non-Democratic perspective.  It makes it hard to believe that you&#8217;re not on the McCain team.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuppence 411</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420079</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuppence 411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG you crack me up! You are  so  naive. You  are  going  to  be  so disappointed  come November. If  you  think  opinion  polls in  June- no  matter  how  valid-  are  an  indicator  of  voter actions in November, you  are laboring  under false pretenses. Research US voter behavior trends then  come  back  and  have a  logical discussion with  me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG you crack me up! You are  so  naive. You  are  going  to  be  so disappointed  come November. If  you  think  opinion  polls in  June- no  matter  how  valid-  are  an  indicator  of  voter actions in November, you  are laboring  under false pretenses. Research US voter behavior trends then  come  back  and  have a  logical discussion with  me.</p>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420052</link>
		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama offers a not-so-reassuring sense of nausea.</description>
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		<title>By: sfhillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420028</link>
		<dc:creator>sfhillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You respond to all the detailed analysis in the world with "the middle"? That's your analysis? "The middle?" Obama defeats McCain something like 60-40 among self-described Independents, but you say "he can't attract the middle" and expect anyone to take you seriously? You ignore the fact that Obama is ahead of McCain in Ohio, Michigan, Colorado and Pennsylvania today -- classic swing states with tons of "middle voters -- and expect anyone to take your thoughts seriously? 

News flash: Obama defeats McCain EASILY among "the middle" today, and unless something changes drastically over the next few months, he is going to defeat him easily among "the middle" in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You respond to all the detailed analysis in the world with &#8220;the middle&#8221;? That&#8217;s your analysis? &#8220;The middle?&#8221; Obama defeats McCain something like 60-40 among self-described Independents, but you say &#8220;he can&#8217;t attract the middle&#8221; and expect anyone to take you seriously? You ignore the fact that Obama is ahead of McCain in Ohio, Michigan, Colorado and Pennsylvania today &#8212; classic swing states with tons of &#8220;middle voters &#8212; and expect anyone to take your thoughts seriously? </p>
<p>News flash: Obama defeats McCain EASILY among &#8220;the middle&#8221; today, and unless something changes drastically over the next few months, he is going to defeat him easily among &#8220;the middle&#8221; in November.</p>
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		<title>By: sfhillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-420009</link>
		<dc:creator>sfhillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, well, we are already seeing. As I said above: this guy's methodology is only meaningful for the most recent numbers, so a month old article is of minimal interest. And Obama's numbers the past few weeks are very scary for McCain supporters. Or do you think McCain just fired his campaign manager and transformed his entire campaign's structure (abandoning the "11 Regional Directors" plan that was supposed to win it for him) because he disagrees with my assessment. Or do you think McCain is pouring money into Virginia (a red state that is shifting blue) because he disagrees with my assessment? 

Come on, man. Even a minimal amount of dispassionate research makes quite clear that I am correct, at least for now. Start frequenting fivethirtyeight.com if you want really good, even-handed electoral analysis. Poblano is outstanding -- maybe the most respected polling analyst in the country today -- and he has (based entirely on everyone else's polls and sheer math, not on his personal views at all) Obama comfortably ahead in the electoral college today. 

Again: this doesn't mean he is guaranteed anything in November. But it does mean that he is winning now, and thus favored to win in November. And it means that all the crap I'm reading here about what Democrats supposedly think is nonsense: the polls are the polls. The math is the math. When McCain pulls ahead of Obama in Ohio, or CT, or Michigan, or PA, or Colorado, I'll start to worry. since Obama is ahead, on average, in all of those states, I see no reason to expect anything other than a Democratic victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, well, we are already seeing. As I said above: this guy&#8217;s methodology is only meaningful for the most recent numbers, so a month old article is of minimal interest. And Obama&#8217;s numbers the past few weeks are very scary for McCain supporters. Or do you think McCain just fired his campaign manager and transformed his entire campaign&#8217;s structure (abandoning the &#8220;11 Regional Directors&#8221; plan that was supposed to win it for him) because he disagrees with my assessment. Or do you think McCain is pouring money into Virginia (a red state that is shifting blue) because he disagrees with my assessment? </p>
<p>Come on, man. Even a minimal amount of dispassionate research makes quite clear that I am correct, at least for now. Start frequenting fivethirtyeight.com if you want really good, even-handed electoral analysis. Poblano is outstanding &#8212; maybe the most respected polling analyst in the country today &#8212; and he has (based entirely on everyone else&#8217;s polls and sheer math, not on his personal views at all) Obama comfortably ahead in the electoral college today. </p>
<p>Again: this doesn&#8217;t mean he is guaranteed anything in November. But it does mean that he is winning now, and thus favored to win in November. And it means that all the crap I&#8217;m reading here about what Democrats supposedly think is nonsense: the polls are the polls. The math is the math. When McCain pulls ahead of Obama in Ohio, or CT, or Michigan, or PA, or Colorado, I&#8217;ll start to worry. since Obama is ahead, on average, in all of those states, I see no reason to expect anything other than a Democratic victory.</p>
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		<title>By: sfhillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-419994</link>
		<dc:creator>sfhillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are right, those numbers will start showing up in the state by state and national polls. So far they have not, and until they do, I stand by my assertion, based on the existing polling data, that Obama is winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are right, those numbers will start showing up in the state by state and national polls. So far they have not, and until they do, I stand by my assertion, based on the existing polling data, that Obama is winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuppence 411</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-419988</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuppence 411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll call your Masters of Art and raise you two Master's of Science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll call your Masters of Art and raise you two Master&#8217;s of Science.</p>
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		<title>By: sfhillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-419966</link>
		<dc:creator>sfhillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks for an intelligent response. I'm not sure why you would characterize me as "spewing venom;" I don't spew venom at anyone, except sometimes to characterize the arguments of PUMAs as silly, ignorant, false and self-defeating. Which they often are. "Spewing venom" is, well, much of what we read here about Obama, who is, over and over and over, cursed at, called the worst possible names, slandered with unproven accusations, and so on. If you're as well-read and articulate as you sound, you know that there's a large degree of truth to what I'm saying. NQ is not a typical political site. It is a site that is 100%, wholly devoted to being *against* a specific candidate, in the most personal possible terms. There is practically no discussion of issues or policy or ideology here; it is all smears, personal innuendo, guilt by association with others -- the lowest form of political discourse, and masquerading under the high-minded banner of "character." 

I also don't see how I'm thwarting anyone's free expression. If anything I'm encouraging it by repeatedly spending lots of time on a site where mine is so obviously the minority opinion. 

I'd also challenge you justify the use of the phrase "spewing your invective" at me. I am, on average, far more polite and reasoned than many posters here. Every time I choose to come on one of these threads, I do dso knowing that half the respondents will just curse me, tell me to leave, tell me how stupid I am, etc. 

As for my comment about research: very few posters here who write anything about topics that require real research -- like polling or demographics or the like -- have any relevant sourcing to back up their (generally misguided and incorrect) assertions. My specific comment was directed at someone who wrote that reading Victor Hanson, of all people, constituted "research." Please. A site that was genuinely interested in the truth and serious research would not automatically dismiss any writer, article, poll, media pundit, or electoral result that didn't favor their predisposition. About 99% of the posters on this site do. Don't expect me to grant them all any intellectual respect just because you're getting your PhD (for which I admire you, btw; I barely managed my MA and had to abandon my PhD dreams due to lack of discipline). ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks for an intelligent response. I&#8217;m not sure why you would characterize me as &#8220;spewing venom;&#8221; I don&#8217;t spew venom at anyone, except sometimes to characterize the arguments of PUMAs as silly, ignorant, false and self-defeating. Which they often are. &#8220;Spewing venom&#8221; is, well, much of what we read here about Obama, who is, over and over and over, cursed at, called the worst possible names, slandered with unproven accusations, and so on. If you&#8217;re as well-read and articulate as you sound, you know that there&#8217;s a large degree of truth to what I&#8217;m saying. NQ is not a typical political site. It is a site that is 100%, wholly devoted to being *against* a specific candidate, in the most personal possible terms. There is practically no discussion of issues or policy or ideology here; it is all smears, personal innuendo, guilt by association with others &#8212; the lowest form of political discourse, and masquerading under the high-minded banner of &#8220;character.&#8221; </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t see how I&#8217;m thwarting anyone&#8217;s free expression. If anything I&#8217;m encouraging it by repeatedly spending lots of time on a site where mine is so obviously the minority opinion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also challenge you justify the use of the phrase &#8220;spewing your invective&#8221; at me. I am, on average, far more polite and reasoned than many posters here. Every time I choose to come on one of these threads, I do dso knowing that half the respondents will just curse me, tell me to leave, tell me how stupid I am, etc. </p>
<p>As for my comment about research: very few posters here who write anything about topics that require real research &#8212; like polling or demographics or the like &#8212; have any relevant sourcing to back up their (generally misguided and incorrect) assertions. My specific comment was directed at someone who wrote that reading Victor Hanson, of all people, constituted &#8220;research.&#8221; Please. A site that was genuinely interested in the truth and serious research would not automatically dismiss any writer, article, poll, media pundit, or electoral result that didn&#8217;t favor their predisposition. About 99% of the posters on this site do. Don&#8217;t expect me to grant them all any intellectual respect just because you&#8217;re getting your PhD (for which I admire you, btw; I barely managed my MA and had to abandon my PhD dreams due to lack of discipline). <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tuppence 411</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-419964</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuppence 411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG LOLOL  You  crack  me  up sf.  You  are  trying  to  educate  me?  Obama  is  going  to  LOSE  and  he  will  LOSE with  almost  the  same  map Kerry  lost  with  in 2004  and  Gore  lost  with  in 2000.  I have  been  thru  more  elections than  you.  The middle  decides the  election. Nobama can't  win without the middle BUT he  can't attract  the  middle. It's  over.  It's the  math  dummy. Even  he  knows  it's  over-  why  do  you  think  he  is  pandering to evangelicals?  Throwing  FISA, gun  control, and the  death  penalty  off  the  bus?  He's  done the math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG LOLOL  You  crack  me  up sf.  You  are  trying  to  educate  me?  Obama  is  going  to  LOSE  and  he  will  LOSE with  almost  the  same  map Kerry  lost  with  in 2004  and  Gore  lost  with  in 2000.  I have  been  thru  more  elections than  you.  The middle  decides the  election. Nobama can&#8217;t  win without the middle BUT he  can&#8217;t attract  the  middle. It&#8217;s  over.  It&#8217;s the  math  dummy. Even  he  knows  it&#8217;s  over-  why  do  you  think  he  is  pandering to evangelicals?  Throwing  FISA, gun  control, and the  death  penalty  off  the  bus?  He&#8217;s  done the math.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/obama-and-the-hoi-aristoi/#comment-419957</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we shall see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we shall see</p>
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