Obama, The Fast Change Bamboozler
By Larry Johnson on July 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Iraq
It is one thing to tout your slogan, “Change you can believe in.” But what happens when you change so much that no one knows for sure what the hell you believe in? For Christ’s sake Barack, read your own damn policy paper! You ran on the theme that we cannot win a militay victory in Iraq and promised to have all U.S. forces out of Iraq by December 2009. That’s not my interpretation, it is the policy you signed off on. Here’s the link. (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf) Of course, we’re trying to do a screen shot because we cannot guarantee the page will still be up tomorrow.
Barack promises to have all U.S. troops out in 11 months, not 16 months. Here is what is posted on his site as his policy:
Obama would immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq’s leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the humanitarian disaster in Iraq, and to hold accountable any perpetrators of potential war crimes.
Then you go on to state:
AMERICAN MILITARY CANNOT SUSTAIN CURRENT STRATEGY IN IRAQ
“Our troops have performed brilliantly. . . . The excellence of our military is unmatched. But as a result of this war, our forces are under pressure as never before…. our troop presence cannot be sustained without crippling our military’s ability to respond to other contingencies. ”
Military Stretched Thin: The military is being severely strained by repeated and lengthy deployments. 1.4 million servicemen and women have served in Iraq or Afghanistan; more than 420,000 troops have deployed more than once. Army Chief of Staff General George W. Casey Jr. recently warned, “We’re consumed with meeting the current demands and we’re unable to provide ready forces as rapidly as we would like for other contingencies.” According to the Governmental Accountability Office (GAO), 30 percent of the Marines’ equipment and 25 percent of Army vehicles are engaged abroad. In addition, the Army National Guard has just a third of its required equipment on hand today in non-deployed units due to war losses and wear and tear.
A SUBSTANTIAL, IMMEDIATE REDEPLOYMENT OF AMERICAN TROOPS
“There is no military solution in Iraq. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year–now.”
All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009: Barack Obama would immediately begin redeploying American troops from Iraq. The withdrawal would be strategic and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Troops would be removed from secure areas first, with troops remaining longer in more volatile areas. The drawdown would begin immediately with one to two combat brigades redeploying each month and all troops engaged in combat operations out by the end of next year.
Residual Force to Remain: Under the Obama plan, American troops may remain in Iraq or the region. These American troops will protect American diplomatic and military personnel in Iraq, and continue striking at al Qaeda in Iraq. If Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we would also continue training the Iraqi Security Forces. In the event of an outbreak of genocide, we would reserve the right to intervene, with the international community, if that intervention was needed to provide civilians with a safe-haven.
And now? For starters you have tacked on 5 months to your initial withdrawal timeline. And, after your next trip to Iraq, you will be told by the U.S. military commanders that the surge is working. Truth be told the decline in violence is not a consequence of the “surge.” Instead, U.S. commanders were finally given the authority and the resources to hire Iraqi insurgents and put them to work protecting their communities. In addition, the U.S. dramatically scaled back the number of intrusive operations (a raid on a house in search of an insurgent) and the number of people detained and incarcerated.
But this will not matter. You are committed by your own posted statement to effect an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces. No matter how much you tap dance, you cannot erase what you have said. You may have impressed folks with your rhythm and dancing skills on the Ellen DeGeneres Show. But watching to dance around the issue of Iraq? You suck.
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This was on CNN tonight. The replacement for Campbell Brown was excellent, and asked if he left wasn’t going to be pissed that suddenly Obama was planning to put MORE troops into Iraq.
The “democrat” who defended Obama said that this “war” is too important to become political, and obama is thinking beyond politics and realizing what needs to be done.
It looks to me like all he is thinking is politics.
Which is the real Obama?
Was he really a Republican pandering to the Left to become our nominee?
Or is he a Democrat just pandering to the right.
Or is he just ambition with no substance.
Whatever, the right wing is too smart to be fooled by this crap. The left seems to have handed their brains to Daily Kos for safekeeping.
Speaking of bamboozling, how do think the change candidate managed to raise more money than anyone else in history? Was it all those starry-eyed college students indentured to their predatory lenders until 2050? The African American community? Friends of Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy? Actually, if you check the records, it’s Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan, UBS Securities – all are in the top 15, GS being number one. And they were bankrolling him long before you and I ever heard of this guy. The question is why? (Click on my screen name if the link doesn’t work.)
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
Raw ambition. Nothing more.
btw Larry
I LOVE that Bowie song! I love MOST of Bowie’s music! Good pick.
If his supporters are now saying it’s not a “political issue” like Michelle, Wright, Ayers, Nafta, etc, then we should certainly expect a summersault on this issue once he gets back from Iraq.
I predict it!
Many years ago George Romney, Mitt’s father, went to Vietnam to check out the war. When he came back he claimed that he had been “Brainwashed” and that ruined his chances in his run for President, it was 1968 I think.
As Obama said to senior Black Caucus congresswomen,
“Get over it”
Those words and attitude applies to everyone.
Get over it, sweeties.
Obama is for CHANGE. Policies, CHANGED. Churches, CHANGED. Principles, CHANGED. Friends, CHANGED. Convention rules, CHANGED.
You need no longer HOPE for CHANGE. Obama is CHANGE, the personification of CHANGE. He is a TIGHTLY WRAPPED MESSAGE OF CHANGE.
An Obama spokesman (Jamaal somebody) on Hannity & Colmes tonight said three times: “This is the General Election and he’s just trying to get elected”
Imagine that; his own people saying that BHO will be a political whore to get elected.
I guess that Reverend Wright was spot-on when he stated that Obama was “doing what he had to to get elected”. Probably the truest words ever spoken.
I’m sure that McCain will use Obama’s own prevarications against him ad infinitum. What a motherload for them.
And methinks that the left wing was way too quick in endorsing their golden boy because it gave him carte blanche to ignore their squeals of protest further on down the road. Serves the boneheads right. Think they should follow their Kos leader now in refusing to pony up for the campaign. Maybe their only smart move.
No different from his stated position on his website, when read in full and entirely sensible to ensure that you give the Generals the Mission end game – withdrawal and leave doing that, within your stated timescale up to them. Would you suggest anything else Mr Johnson?
There is nothing to say. He is not who you thought he was. Now the truth is coming out. We still have time to get Hillary back. Obama is a fake. Come over and find out about the real Barack Obama.
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
He is playing ..spin the bottle with policies.
And he’s ALWAYS said that what happens will be dictated by conditions on the ground. That’s a sensible position and one most Americans agree with.
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Oh, puh-LEEZE!!! Stop it, will ya?!? Barack Obama has been going around the country for over a year now promising “I will end this war!” at every campaign stop. Not only that, but while in the Senate for the past 3 1/2 years he has done everything humanly possible to try and get us to unilaterally withdraw from Iraq as fast as possible, damn the consequences.
So please stop with the bullshit that “He’s always said that what happens will be dictated by conditions on the ground.” HE HAS DONE NO SUCH THING!!!! He’s only showing “flexibility” now because he can’t deny that things have improved drastically in Iraq since he assured us in early 2007, with complete certainly, that the troop surge wouldn’t work.
And guess who was the only one who advocated for the surge and risked his political life on it?
That’s right: John McCain.
How will Obambi face off to that in a debate?
Oh yea, he avoids debates so he doesn’t have to answer those pesky questions.
Flexibility, huh? I think that’s what happens when you have no spine or lack a core set of beliefs. This is same old, same old.
So much for the “new politics.” This is like a bad movie with a very bad actor. Loved the fact that Obama had to call a press conference to explain the previous press conference.
Keep it coming!
Even his devotees are growing restless and all the “spin” is looking lame and ragged. Hummm. Gun control, FISA, NAFTA, public financing, the unpresidential seal [hated to see that one go], Iraq and . . . gee, it’s hard to keep an accurate flip-flop list.
We’ll have a book by the time Denver rolls around.
Incredible!
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What is scary though is that you don;t get a chance to “unring the bell” when your dealing with foreign policy…, especially loony, radical, foreign policy….
He’s only showing flexibility now because he thinks hes won the nomination and he doesn’t have to worry about that pesky Hillary confusing everybody with the facts….one thing he didn’t count on….PUMAS are lurking….sorry Barry! Denver or bust!
I always Knew that Hillary was more conservative on foreign policy. After all she was a Goldwater Rep first.
It’s too bad that she had to placate the rabid left on the war. In the GE she would have been tough against McCain.
Now the DemRats have a flip flopper with no core convictions who is prepared to throw anyone under the bus at any time if its expedient.
Samantha Powers is a good example
“Now the DemRats have a flip flopper with no core convictions who is prepared to throw anyone under the bus at any time if its expedient.”
TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!
“Now the DemRats have a flip flopper with no core convictions who is prepared to throw anyone under the bus at any time if its expedient.”
TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!
You said a bobo about our savior, you must be racist.
Cui Bono.
Know what that means pal. It means who benefits. One thing that The One has done constistently without fail, and it’s a little strange since he does not generally show up for every vote, is vote for every single bill giving Bush the money to keep our illegal occupation, it’s not a war as Barkey also gets wrong, going.
Now most Americans are aware that if you want to stop something that is going on the one thing you must do is…..
Stop paying for it.
I reckon the genius, 1st in his class and Hahvard (yeah that’s the latest lie), never learned that….
Ya think?
flexibility = change we can believe in!
flexibility = change we can believe in!= no convictions = no balls
You better quit this job and go back to Burger King. Report to the Obama camp and tell them you had failed.
believe you are so full of shit it stinks across the land.
obama has run on ending the war. on bringing troops home starting as soon as he is in office. for christ sake it is STILL on his web site.
what is wrong with you people? how do you function? up is down. day is night. war is peace.
he has not even changed his OWN web site which contradicts what he said today.
he is moving away from HIMSELF. And ditching YOU in the process.
WAKE UP!
No he didn’t
Writing something in all CAPS doesn’t make it true. You can shout all you want, but your candidate’s true character is starting to show. And it’s not pretty.
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Quote :”And he’s ALWAYS said that what happens will be dictated by conditions on the ground. That’s a sensible position and one most Americans agree with.”
fly’s reply..yeah sure..like Little Lord Bushy said..Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11…only the masses of Americans .. heard that..
come on……who in this world is this stupid anymore??…..this guy is playing by the Rove cook book..to the TEE…….
oh yeah ..WE KNOW..the same types that fell for the bush Kool aide..the new and improved version…the OBAMABRATS!! THE NEW LITTLE BROWNSHIRTS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU .. the ones that still need to be reminded to brush their teeth, make their bed and they sleep till at least 1 or 2 every day..no matter what…OBAMABRATS….do you want them chosing our next president..they probably have no clue what …national security… is..or what map it is on..( wink wink..)
fly
Barack Obama will tell us whatever he thinks we want to hear at any give point in time to generate maximum political benefit for himself. The guy is completely full of shit.
But what about the “whitey” tape, Larry. C’mon dude. You’ve been totally silent on this for weeks now. Either admit that you lied, were duped, or that there’s really something to the rumor that you started.
patience, fool
[tick, tick, tick . . .]
GOD, Please don’t let this be another Viet Nam. We’ve already been there longer than WWII.
big huge sigh
it will be worse. There are 3 fronts. Not enough troops. There will be a draft.
Madame
That’s what the Congressman from NY would like – to re-instate the draft.
I say our only front should be Afghanistan. The rest should come home, recoup, readjust, some will re-enlist (if they’re not pushed to passed the breaking point. (which is coming SOOOOOOON)
jmo
Ummm …. You might want to take some time to get up to speed, sweetheart. We’re back down to pre-surge troop levels and more will be coming home in the coming months. Why? Because both Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Mahdi Army have had the ever-lovin’ crap kicked out of them. The Iraqi Army gets stronger with each passing month.
In short, we are winning this thing big-time, no thanks to Barack Obama and the rest of the chickenshit Democrats who wanted to tuck tail & run when things got tough.
There will not be a draft.
Dan
Your response about Iraq is right on!!
I wish I had a dime for every time someone has claimed we’re “winning” in Iraq. It always turns out to be a lie. The right wing simply cannot admit they screwed up.
yes someone please explain to me WHAT the fuck we ‘WON’ in Iraq and then also tell me WHY? and at what COST????
Wow a comment I can agree with from you.
I would still like to know what t is we are supposed to be winning and what the end game actually is. Certainly does not seem to be Middle East stability.
They can start by drafting all the kool aid army…. Hey! Thats an idea!!!
Iraq won’t be another Vietnam, Dawnelle.
This time, we win.
we started it
Yeah, and for damn good reasons too. Saddam needed to go. He may not have had WMD programs in place in 2003, but anyone who doesn’t believe that he would have eventually re-started them when the UN had gotten tired of baby-sitting him is living in a fantasy world.
And then we have the hundreds of thousands of his own people that he killed over the course of his three decades in power and the fact that the carnage would have continued for decades to come under his two psychotic sons.
No, as badly as Bush & Rumsfeld & Co. screwed up the post-war occupation, both Iraq and the world are wellrid of Saddam Hussein and his thugs.
BS
if that were all true you all would have GOT THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ after you so “precisely” fished Sadamm out of the rat hole he was hiding in?
That was YEARS AGO
why the hell didn’t you get OUT and claim “WE WON WE WON THIS IS NOT VIET NAM” WAY BACK THEN???
jezzzzzzzzzzzus
you wanted OIL and to OCCUPY
that’s the truth
all the shit about saving the world from Hussein is just fluff and window dressing to me
Dawnelle
You are correct that this is about the oil. It’s also about strategic control of the western civilized worlds resources.
Whoever controls the middle east controls the world.
It is a sad fact of life.
In the end, I would rather the United States and it’s allies control the resources than
Iran,Russia and China.
All the comforts of your life depend on us winning.
It’s all about power and oil and whatever. Let’s all go to Myanmar and free the people from the Junta – not!
Our foreign policy has always been to support stability with friendly countries but Jimmy Carter didn’t want to support the Shah in Iran and he let the Radical Shites take over. This is the type of leadership you would get with Obama, he would have Iran kicking sand in our faces again, I say no thanks.
The overthrow of the Saddam regime through military force was authorized in the Iraqi Freedom Act of 1998 and signed into law by Clinton and vigorously supported by Kerry, Pelosi, Jay Rockefeller and Kennedy. The act refers to his stockpiling of chemical weapons and the development of nuclear weapon capability.
So how many have we killed there? It is of course so much better to have your life and lives destroyed by a Foreign invading power than your own Government.
Our occupation there at least encouraged one form of unity – insurgency. Looks like America is spreading 4th of July fever across the World.
. . . and so fucking what?
The world is NOT, NOT a better place now that Saddam is gone. How in the hell can you say that it is?
Please stop with this bullshit in here already. You seem to be the first and only person since I’ve been coming to Larry’s NQ that has posted this nonsense.
Get real bud.
Maniaco.
I used to think just like you. What I have come to realize is that Iraq is strategic beachhead and buffer against the takeover of the middle east by the Islamic extremists plus resource hungry countries.
As long as we’re there they can’t get a foot hold.
Saddam was the excuse to set up a permanent position to protect the west’s interests.
Moss,
and that makes it right? The people who lost their loved ones to this strategy, probably would rather have their loved ones back. And how about the Iraqis? Don’t they deserve to have their country back – so that it’s livable with electricity, water, infrastructure, education? How about diplomacy? How about the U.N. How about working together? This kind of “Empire Building” is plain crazy.
Just think what gas prices would be if somebody actually tried to get the the worlds second largest oil reserve in Iraq back on line.
it’s happening as we speak, Iraq is putting out offers for competitive bids now, no restrictions on company or nationality.
I wonder if American oil companies will use all the money we are giving them now for gas to undercut the competition and snake the contracts.
I can’t find the article again without more searching, so I can’t give you the link. It described the RFP put out by the Iraqi government setting forth the conditions that any bid must meet. Iraqi is maintaining tight control over the fields and ownership of the oil. All bids must specify that payment for development of the fields is in cash only and not oil. Thus a company that goes in and develops a field still has to bid competitively on the output of that field.
Just think what energy prices would have been like, had the US elected Gore or then Kerry. The US would have been four mayber 8 years on towards cutting down oil consumption and dependence, progress would have been made with the implementation of Kyoto and more work would have been done on alternatives to fossil fuels. Isn’t is great the US elected a party of oil barons.
I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong.
It’s just a sorry fact of life.
Either we control the resources or they do.
As the leader of Western Civilization I guess it’s our turn to hold up the mantel.
Iraq may end up being democratic unlike the stalinist regime that existed.
Life doesn’t make sense sometimes.
I would rather be the killer whale than the seal.
SO MOSS.. how do you think those 100,000 dead Iraqi families andthe families of our dead 4000 soldiers and approx 60,000 wounded soldiers families feel about that strategic beachhead????????
Oh and what gave us the fucking right ..yes the fucking right to take over the middle east from anyone????????
How would you like them to feel the same about the USA and be bombing and destroying your neighborhood..or your family for that matter because someone wanted a strategic beach fucking head?
happy fourth..i hope you choke on your fucking strategic hot fucking dog!
fly
agree! Its a lame excuse and justification for a lame and unecessary attack. We went to war in Iraq cause Bush Cheney et al WANTED to! They weaved a scary story about WMD to garner support and approval. This war is about MONEY OIL and POWER.
Now Iran, Afghanastan… now we canb talk about NEEDING to get tough…
Fly..
I agree with what your saying.
However,I think we are well positioned with our up and coming democratic state of Iraq, our three carrier groups in the Indian ocean plus Israel to prevent Iran from acquiring Nukes and passing them to the terrorists.
I think we are in far greater danger now because of the Iraq war and we need to stay strong or we will get hit hard.
If we leave the area defeated and guilty in the eyes of the world it’s for all time. Then you will be worried about affording a bike let alone a car.
no nuclear power will pass nukes to terrorists.
If you were Iran and your neighbouring Country was invaded by an even bigger stronger enemy than before, would you get nukes?
Also why object to Iran building alternative fuels? There is a very good reason for the Middle East to move to alternative fuel, oil is running out .
I don’t to anyone using alternative fuels.
…don;t object
moss ..bullshit is bullshit..
my co-workers are dead..we invaded afganistan..where al queada was..and is not now..we didn’t finish the job..the job of getting all those that killed our citizens..( although i think some of the guilty are sitting in or near our white house )…facts are facts..the Iraq war was based on lies..nothing but filthy lies and those who wanted to know the truth, before we attacked ,could and did..anyone else is just trying to justify in their own simple minds why we are at war..we are at war for Oil,..we are at war for the greed of some who are close enough to the white house to have filled their god damned pockets, we are at war because little lord pissy pants numbers were tanking and he had to win a second term to finish his part of the god damned deal..he made with the fucking devil..to be president.
We can wash and repeat, wash and repeat.. this over and over as long as Americans want to make excuses for what happened and why..we went to war because the American people were too damn comfortable and didn’t in mass numbers get off of their collective asses and stop this war.
Call it what it is..it is a war based on Power , greed and total unadulterated lies!
-enough of the excuses of what you want to call it..
This war always was and still is and always will be about Oil and H2O ..but now the water is probably not palatible, with chemicals in it, that we put there.
If i could know it was all bullshit as a flight attendant why couldn’t anyone?????????
They could..they didn’t want to know the truth..
It reminds me of the battered women syndrome..the wife finds someone else’s panties..throws them away..she finds sweet notes and bills for hotels and keeps pretending her husband is faithful..
come on..
If any American didn’t know Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with killing my co-workers..then they didn’t want to know..they wanted to be fooled..
This war is nothing but a fucking lie….and we have committed genocide ,as a country..The USA.. to another sovereign nation..We Have Killed that sovereign nations people..women, Children , grandparents, dads..brothers and sisters..and the sooner we all say that out loud and publically, the sooner we are as a nation and her people to hire responsible people to run her…and care for her and to bring this nation back to her principles and values..values we all pretend we have, but demonstrate little of.
I don’t see that happening anywhere but in PUMA!
Happy Forth everyone here..i hope we can all eventually take this country back from the greedy evil bastards who think they own her and us..
No one owns me..and never will..and i will do all i can to stop this bullshit..so other generations can live like i have most of my life .in a country that stands for good ..not evil, that is really a democratic republic where votes count and are counted, where we can look in the mirror again and AND SAY WITH PRIDE..the words, I AM AMERICAN.
I am sorry to say..for too long..i haven’t felt any of that pride..
Tell me Moss..what have we gained when we have killed over 100,000 Iraqi’s ..and 4,000 of our soldiers..my co-workers can’t come back..but we have killed soooo many more ….so many innocent people..they can’t come back either..WHAT HAVE WE GAINED??..AS A PEOPLE AND A NATION???
..NOT A DAMN THING.. but what we have left in “our path” ..ALOT OF DEAD PEOPLE ..WHO HAVE LEFT THEIR LOVED ONES BEHIND…JUST LIKE THE VICTIMS OF 9/11 LEFT LOVED ONES BEHIND.
MY NEIGHBOR HAS A SIGN ON THEIR FRONT PORCH..IT SAYS..”JEFF’S PLACE”
They lost Jeff on 9/11..and he won’t be home this forth of July either..
and i can tell you..the pain never ever goes away…not for Americans and not for Iraqi families either.
FLY
Fly..
I’m sorry for your loss and pain!
I have a hard time rationalizing this war also, but the reality is that we are there now.
This is not Bush’s war anymore. We as a nation have inherited this mess and must not allow outside forces such as Iran,Russia and China to move in and take advantage of our profound mistakes.
If we appear weak at this crucial moment we certainly will be attacked again.
Have a happy 4th!!
What horseshit, Dan R. There is still the political issue in Iraq that will continue to be unresolved until a strongman emerges to replace Saddam. Until then Iraq will be trashed like it is today. How many dead, one million? You may think this is a big victory, but the world knows otherwise. March bush to court, try him and his piece of shit followers, and hang them.
Maliki was before the UN Security Council in November 2007 for a one year extension on the UN mandate for the presence of coalition troops on Iraqi soil. At that time he said this will be the last time he would need to appear before the Security Council. Taken at his word that means the occupation will end in November 2008.
Meanwhile, the negotiations on the Iraq Security Agreement that will govern foreign troops operating in Iraq after Nov. 2008 is almost finalized. The last major hurdle relating to jurisdiction over foreign troops and their civilian contractors for civil and criminal liability arising from unauthorized acts and for freedom to engage in combat operations have now been finally resolved in favor of the Iraqi government.
Under the security agreement,, he Iraqi government will have supreme command of all military operations inside the country and be able to prosecute foreign troops and contractors who commit criminal acts inside the country. That means full Iraqi sovereignty has been established, just like the security agreements fortroops in other countries, like Japan. The Iraqi foreign minister expects the agreement to be signed in the next two weeks.
Finally, the virulent anti-Bush, anti-American Der Spiegel, just look at some their covers from the last five years here:
http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/davids-medienkr.html
has this to say about Bagdad today:
the article ends with how Sadr has gone from sectarian warrior to nothing more than a foe of globalization. Read it all here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,563471,00.html
As far as over one million killed, the invasion was launched just over 63 months ago. That would be a total death count of 15,873 military and civilian per month, or 520 per day since the initial invasion. Please, inform us of where your statistics come from.
Madeline Albright, Sec. of State under Clinton, was asked about the economic sanctions imposed on Saddam under the oil for food program. She admitted the sanctions were the direct cause of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children from starvation.
Any way you put it. This is a unjust war. Many of my follow service men and women die that need not be. Bush senior did a great job in the first war.Sadam was ready to carve in, and Bush forced the issue for personal reason as well as to prevent other country from gaining influence. It’s american troops who are getting kill. It did not make us look good to the world.
I also said that we are in it, just or not. Therefor, we have to finish the job, so that all those who die didn’t do so in vain. We also can not afford to allow terrorsit to gain foot hold there, which made easy because of the war. To make sure that the troops won’t be send back against, failure in Iraq is not an option. In that, I believe Maccain is 100 times more qualify than BO.
But don’t try to justify this war with all this crap you put up. It’s wrong, wrong, wrong! Do we do that to all the country that are similar to Iraq? North Korea had Nuclear weapon, communist, tyrant, and kill lots ofit’s own people, why don’t we invade them as well? I don’t buy the BS you put up.
I mean Sadam was ready to carve in before the invasion of GWB.
Finish what job? What is the end game?
There is a good reason we did not invade North Korea and that was because they made clear that they did have WMDs including nuclear and were prepared to use them.
Don’t BS with my piont. I piont out that we don’t go into North Korea, therefor can’t justify going into Iraq. The war was unjust and stupid.
If you pull out too soon, and leave a vacumm of power in Iqraq, then the danger of Iran gainning too much influence and Terrorist taking a foothold is just asking for another War.
Once the Iraq govermnet have control over the security situation, and a Iraqi force that can handle the situation, then we shopuld withdraw. And not a minute sooner.
As I said, I served in the military. Any waist of the life of our service men are unacceptable. If we have to go back another time, a lot more life will be lost.
And there is no we. You are not allow to vote in this country, you don’t serve the interest of this country. Your just blindly supporting a Bush-clone Obama. So save you crap for someone who drunk the Kool-aid.
response to dan ..
Quote:” Iraq won’t be another Vietnam, Dawnelle.
This time, we win.”
fly’s reply..
what exactly did we win?????????
and why did we need to win a damn thing in Iraq???????
..what did we win? 4000+ dead soldiers..100,000 + dead Iraqi’s ..that left family behind ..maybe..that will have very long memories of what the USA did to them…and how…who will now see us as enemy’s..for generations to come..
and left our nation with crumbling streets and bridges and jobless and up to debt to communist countries our kids kids will be paying off..
so just exactly wtf did we win???????????
tell that to the wounded 60,000+ soldiers who fought a needless senseless war, that had nothing to do with our national security..in fact it made us less safe! This was a war of politicsa and greed..nothing more..not a damn thing more..
and for generations…Americans and Iraqi’s will pay for this disgraceful power grab and greed..downright greed…and the powers who want a new world order..and don’t think for a minute Obama is not in that group.
fly
Here’s the Obama strategy.
He figures he can win as a Republican. He looks and sounds better than McCain.
He’s got most of the left in his back pocket because there is simply no one else they can vote for.
Some of the left won’t go along, but tough shit. What can they do now? Vote for Nader?
I see a low turn out election
I see a very high turnout election. National Security will be the number one issue on election day.
20 cyber bucks says you’re wrong
c u back here NOV 5 lol
National security means a McCain victory.
I think the economy will be the main issue.
IMHO peopel care more about their ability to buy food gas home before they whine about war… I think the economy is at the top of the list.
Yay, the usual Republican trick. In recent State elections that has not been working out too well for them and it did not even work out for good old Gules in the Republican primaries.
i disagree.
I think people will be so fucking mad by november this will be the highest election turn out in years and the referendum on Obullshit will be stunning.
After which, hopefully they can deort his ass back to kenya.
ok that’s fine – lol
The Obama team think Obama has the ability to convince everyone to vote for him because they have seen the dummies show up in big numbers and applaud him when he blows his nose.
I know for a fact that the blacks are not going anywhere, they are commited to Obama and I expect he will get 98% of the black vote. If I were Obama I would focus on the white vote and ignore the blacks, the blacks also understand he is doing this for political reasons and would not mind.
But if Obama gets elected expect a hard left turn and blacks expect to be placated. One of Obama’s advisors will be Sharpton.
Well if that many blacks, behind a voting curtain, don;t have more brains than that, then they deserve what they get… and they ain;t gonna like reliving segregation (and don;t any fool come back and call me a racsist!)
Everyone says the left is in BHO’s pocket because they have no place else to go. Dick Morris said tonight on Hannity & Colmes that if BHO keeps it up, Ralph Nader will come out swinging and say: “I’m the only true, anti-war candidate”. And, Nader’s support goes from 3% to 15%.
Couple that with the Hillary supporters who will NEVER vote for BHO and that could be a problem for the Democratic Party this Fall.
Anyway you slice it, we’re gonna have a lousy President for the next four years.
Is it too soon to start impeachment proceedings?
Larry: your post is the most concise and informative comment I have read yet on the latest entirely unbelievable yet all too believable conduct by the junior Senator from Illinois.
Depressing. The thought of him being my next Commander in Chief is just, well depressing. There are no words. Reading some of it just makes you wonder if he even knows what he is saying. His policies read like he is the next “messiah” who will deliver us all to the promise land by spoken words alone.
All why singlehandedly fixing everything with just one word.
How can anyone even tell if he’s “changing” his positions? His “positions” were so vague to begin with. He is a man of many slogos and few, if any, specifics. Perhaps the only positions that are changing are the positions his supporters thought he had. He, and his positions, are all in their minds.
Kool aid
Kool aid
tastes great
Wish I
had some
can’t wait.
Be careful what you wish for.
It looks like Obama needs a bigger place for his big head.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9778858
Correct me if Im wrong…
Wasnt there something just recently about the DNC already having financial problems with the Convention? Now Obama wants to rent another building. Its not like they can give up the building they already have. The building they already have will be used the rest of the time that day and other days.
Then there is the problem of moving all those delegates back and forth; who is going to pay for that—Opps dont forget the gas prices.
For some reason I think Obama is getting a bit full of himself…
Doesnt Obama realize that his vote still stands on the super delegates. Already some in the party are getting a bit miffed with him. Hey we do have almost 6 weeks to go….
Example?
Openly? Kucinich
Feingold.
You didn’t leave for the fourth yet. I thought you said life was to short to respond to posts up the thread. Well here I am.
Is Obama’s health care plan Universal?
you aren’t really this stupid right?? Its an act right??
. . . actually, even more time is available.
More like 7 1/2 weeks.
*************************************
Note to $7/HR KOOLAID TROLL “believe” below ~
I got your “example” right here . . .
[clutches groin area menacingly]
“…who is going to pay for that…”
We will all be paying for years to come if this “maker of historic moments” wins the November election and takes office. The media will hype this “event” to such a degree that it will happen, maybe secretly underwritten by Auchi’s billions, or paid for by Obama’s “bundlers,” but bet on it, it will happen. The segment of the public that follows Obama craves these staged events. Like Hitler, Obama is only too glad to supply this show. Maybe they’ll even burn a few books.
Hi Heidi!
I heard you on the radio today and I am very impressed!
The Iraq war isn’t the war I knew 4 months ago.
Love,
Barry
OMG Obama is DUNZO! He’ll be lucky to win Illinois.
Obama was running like it was 2005 when everyone was against the war and America.
This is now 2008 and everything Obama called for would have led to American defeat and retreat in the world.
Lets’ just say that you can’t run American foreign policy based on Opinion polls.
Sometimes you have to fight to protect your country.
It’s all more clear now!!
Thanks McCain for being strong when the rest of us were weak and wanted to quit.
You’ve been hanging around wingers too much.
Actually I have been reading a lot of history books
It just proves how fecking ignorant baracktrack is on foreign policy… oh and the economy. Oh and constitutional rights. Oh and … well you know the rest!
I think Obama policy is made daily by a flip of a coin. Heads he goes, tails he stays…or tails he goes, heads he stays or…best two out of three…?
Barack Obama new Slogan….CHange you can deceive me!!!! Pass it on.
How about
CHANGE
we will
BEREAVE
in!
Years from now the Iraq war may look like a brilliant strategy.
The terrorists are on the run.
N Korea is capitulating probably out of fear of what the United States is doing.
Gadafi finally threw in the towel.
Iran now is wavering.
After 911 America has shown the world that we have balls enough to secure the worlds vital interests and take it to the enemy.
As my friends in Canada often tell me
We are so glad that you are doing the Heavy Hitting so that we can remain free and continue our way of life.
As someone who was originally against the war and it’s prosecution I’m really glad that we are there now.
McCain was right on there not being enough troops and he was correct on the surge when everyone else was ready to declare defeat.
McCain is a leader who understands America’s strategic position in the world. He will protect us from the threats we face regardless of opinion polls.
I posted this link http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,563471,00.html
abvoe. It is an article from Der Spiegel if you can believe it describing how amazingly normal Baghdad has become. Plus I read where in the upcoming Iraqi elections. campaign posters will only be allowed to have pictures of only actual candidates, and not religious figures like Sistani, and mosques are to stay out of politicking. Sounds like good progress for a new sectarian state.
Thanks Teresa for the article
This country was so consumed with hate for Bush and the war that we almost defeated ourselves.
The residual of all this is Obama who now represents nothing in the face of victory in Iraq.
Actually, the Iraq War will go down in history as one of the great screw-ups of all time. The belief that we will win is a neocon fantasy.
It has made us the most feared and hated nation in the world.
It has driven up oil prices.
It has stretched the Army to the breaking point.
An illegal war, it has disgraved the United States forever.
Millions of Iraqis have fled–something even Saddam couldn’t accomplish.
It is costing us trillions of dollars–an economic blow from which America will never recover.
It has turned Iraq into a breeding ground for Al Qaeda. World terrorism has tripled under Bush’s watch.
It has placed our troops in danger of being tortured.
It cost the Republicans both Houses of Congress. (If the Repubs had retained control of Congress, our wounded vets would still be lying around in their own urine…and no one would know.) They were also decimated at the state level.
Bush and Company are in danger of prosecution anywhere they go in the world.
We have countless wounded and maimed vets. We will have to care for them for the rest of their lives.
It is a pity the Repugs do not actually support the Vets when they return (although our NuLab scum Government is not much different here). Just ours get proper non private insurance based free universal healthcare.
hey Moss what Canandian friends do you have orrrr woulkd that be the tag team of propagandists you are workimg with..
My hubby worked in Canada for 22 years..in boradcasting..we are real good friends with all the top Canadian Political folks..and your story does not ring true at all..
they think Bush and company have been utter fools and evil fools to boot..all the Good Canandians we know think the American people have been ignorant and taken by bullshit and propaganda..and a complicit media in the worst debockle this world will have known ..besides Vietnam.
stop the biullshit here will you please..and your tag team is very noticable.
Propaganda won’t work here..
so stop.
fly
Fly..
I belong to many trade associations in Canada. I’m also involved with trucking companies and transportation clubs.
I’m an American exporter, so I guess I’m not involved with all your political groups just regular hard working people that rely on resources to keep their companies operating.
I will say it again. I was against the Iraq war from the start.I voted for Dean because he was the most ant-war candidate.
My position has changed over the last year because we are there and conditions and threats are now changing.
I agree with you about all the injustices and mistakes and lose of life.
I never would have gone in there.
Years later, however people tend to forget the miseries that happens in the present and focus on the strategic importance of the final outcome.
We are looking at resource wars for the rest of our lives.
That is what happens when you have too many people in the world and everyone wants material goods.
I can barely even keep up on all of Obama’s lies and flip flops and hazy talk.
Now Obama changes his mind in Christian Magazine interview. TOPIC: late term abortion qualifications…”mental health” not legit.
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/obama-mental-distress-cant-justify-late/n20080703185809990012?cid=435
“David N. O’Steen, the executive director of National Right to Life, said Obama’s remarks to the magazine “are either quite disingenuous or they reflect that Obama does not know what he is talking about.”
“You cannot believe that abortion should not be allowed for mental health reasons and support Roe v Wade,” O’Steen said.”
NARAL should be ashamed of themselves.
Samantha Power said the same thing Obama said today in his redo media conference, and for that she was tossed under the bus.
The day he threw his grandmother under the bus, I knew none of us and nothing was safe.
The mendacity of hope and change.
Question…
When will it be OK to give credit to the president for no attacks on American soil since 911.
Just Curious…
I was against Bush for a very long time but I thought for sure that we would be attacked again and again.
I give credit where credit is do!!!
roflmao
credit??????
our economy is in the gdam SEWER and you are giving the creator of this problem CREDIT???
roflmao
ok sure – the SAUDI’s THAT bombed us on 911 have NOT tried attacking us again cuz apparently they are still hold up on the border of pak and afh GANISTANS
remember?
most of the 911 recommendations have worked
I wish we’d do the rest of them.
Democrats created that commission over the reluctance of republicans
btw – just giving credit where credit is due
and um remember junior LIED HIS ASS OFF to get us to take a RIGHT TURN into IRAQ
WTF happened to Bin Laden?
Bin Laden is running for President.
I agree with everything your saying Dawnelle
I was one of those guys for screamin Dean.
War is messy,unjust,unfair,and the worst thing mankind has ever brought on to itself.
We own Iraq and all the enemies that have been created out of this mess.
I do believe that the Iraq war is the 2nd resource war. The Gulf war being the first.
Bush never gave the real reasons for going into Iraq
I think we probably will have a 3rd resource war.
Fortunately we are situated very well for what could happen.
Thanks for the 411 SeattleMoss.
bygones
What was that old Colin Powell quote about Iraq.?..The Pottery Barn Policy, “If you break it, you bought it.”
The very argument against another Republican President.
So you’d rather I vote for the guy who won’t defend our resources?
Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-07-03 22:29:10
“our economy is in the gdam SEWER and you are giving the creator of this problem CREDIT???”
I’m so, so sick of obamabots and their ‘catch-phrases’
“This administration” and “The past 8 years”
in connection with the economy and high gas prices.
In January 2007, gas was $1.60 a gallon.
In 2005, $2.23 a gallon.
In 2006, when Democrats took control in Congress,
it was $2.61 a gallon.
Today, after just 2 years, $4.50-$5.00.
So stop with the “last 8 years” line and try
“the last 2 years with Reid and Pulosi in charge ”
Sure, Bush screwed up a lot, but the economy
in general and gas prices have gone in the crapper
in the past 2 years!
I’m most CERTAINLY not an Obama Squat!
And Junior started this mess in Iraq. THAT is the biggest expense. Tax breaks for his uber wealthy pals is another one. There’s a list.
go ahead and try to defend
I’m not buying it
The collapsed dollar is the single biggest reason for the high gas prices.
That of course was brought on by the great American real estate bubble.
You can blame it on Pelosi and Reid if you like because I can’t stand them!!!!
It’s also speculation in the market. And Bush’s dumb policy. If he had the gut like Bill did during his presidency, a threat to release our oil reserve, that will bring the oil down to under $80 even with the depreciation of the dollar. The fear of the market will creat a selling frenzy that drive the cost down in no time. All the talk of drilling and alt fuel are the same tactic, since noe will be available in the short term.
So I put the blame on Bush on that one.
Oil is priced by the dollar so the fall in dollar does not affect the price.
The collapse of the stock exchange in the London and New York led to large investment in property. Prices sky rocketed. There was no real demand to justify those prices. Money has now moved to oil and commodities.
Corn is driving up the price of all food stocks because of a headlong rush to biofuels (which do not help the environment). Oil is being pushed up because of instability in the Middle East and the threat of war in Iran. This is being boosted further by speculators moving to oil as a result of the rising prices.
All of these factors link directly back to policies of George Bush.
oil is priced by the dollar so a fall in the dollar does effect the price of oil. If I’m taking payment in dollars and the value of the dollar drops I have to get more dollars to get the same value in my currency when I exchange one for the other.
hey moss..did you forget about the anthrax???????? American grade anthrax…….and the dead people???????
i thought you did..
fly
Bush has NOTHING to do with that…
Believe:
Maybe you’ll respond to this post here at the bottom of the thread.
Is Obama’s health care plan Universal?
Can you respond to anything substantive or is that prohibited in your stop the smears contract?
I wish McCain would pick Micheal Steele as V.P, would be interesting to see how the AA community would react to that.
Michael Steele is a brilliant man. I think that would turn the election on it’s head
Wow!!
Did I just say that a black man named Steele would be a great choice for VP or even president.
Obamabots get a clue.
We’re not racist in the slightest. We demand the best qualified people to run this country in such dire times.
I LOVE Michael Steele – I love to hear his inputs when he’s on O’Reilly or Hannity. He sounds like a down-right nice guy!
I really like Michael Steele. Excellent suggestion.
PUMApac.org
Steele or any other black on McCain’s ticket will do nothing for attracting black votes to McCain. There is no way McCain can break into the black vote against Obama. Remember why the DNC handed this to Obama, they did not want to upset the blacks. Sharpton already said he would protest and that would have also led to riots.
Right on! Power to the People with Michael Steele. He is Great!!!!
I wish he’d get his own Talking Head show… On MSNBC, the love-fest channel. Wonder if Mika would kiss and hug him before he walked on the set.
For the ‘bots, can we just agree that you thought it was cool that he’s (half) black and leave it at that?
There is no other reason to support this man — especially after the last couple of weeks.
Campaign Finance
FISA
Church And State
Iraq
and (soon) NAFTA
And it’s not even November yet.
I can barely even keep up on all of Obama’s lies and flip flops and hazy talk.
Now Obama changes his mind in Christian Magazine interview. TOPIC: late term abortion qualifications…”mental health” not legit.
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/obama-mental-distress-cant-justify-late/n20080703185809990012?cid=435
“David N. O’Steen, the executive director of National Right to Life, said Obama’s remarks to the magazine “are either quite disingenuous or they reflect that Obama does not know what he is talking about.”
“You cannot believe that abortion should not be allowed for mental health reasons and support Roe v Wade,” O’Steen said.”
NARAL should be ashamed of themselves.
OBAMA KEEPS LYING TO EVERYONE AND ANYONE AND I’M SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!
He will be pro-life or very close to it with in a month. His core supporters will explain it away by stating that he has to do whatever it takes so that he can get elected and then he will go back to be what he promised them he would be.
BO is all about himself,not you or me, and definitely not this country. He will say anything for a vote. His shifts (for lack of a better word) on the war, abortion, FISA ect…. is because he doesn’t know what he stands for.
In the same North Dakota speech, he also flipped on abortion rights and NARAL. It was TWO-FER Thursdays!
Again, can we wake the superdelegates up from their stupor before Denver?
In the words of Charlie Brown: ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I can’t bare the thought of talking about a Republican and his heinous or semi-heinous VP pick!
I just can’t! Blechhhhhhhhh!
Obama you have FRIGGED UP a PARTY I really LOVED!
Dawnelle you got that right.
I was so Democrat at the beginning of this year.
I don’t know what the DNC was thinking by kicking the Clinton wing of the party and all the moderates to the curb but it sure is turning a lot of into into Republicans.
Who would have thought!!
Will the real Obama please stand up!!!!
will the real Obama
PLEASE STEP DOWN! (before Aug)
I’m so glad that he has been placed so high on that pedestal — maybe he will slip and fall on his way down.
Jesum, I have never trusted this guy, and even I feel duped. That’s screwed up.
Yes, tampagurl–
I never supported him but I never imagined he would change his positions sooooooooooooooooo much, and only in a two week period! Imagine what the rest of the summer will bring. I’m thinking he is going to have to get another bus, cause it’s mighty crowded under this one!!!!!!
This is the real reason we need more mass transit systems in the US. And we just thought it was an environmental issue!
I’m sure McCain wouldn’t mind lending Barry his “Straight Talk Express” to throw a few more people and or Democratic platform issues under.
Bitter Hoe Down! Folks Clinging to Their Guns and God What a great Video worth every minute
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/barack-this-ones-for-you/#comment-211
For those who comment on this website, a suggestion on how to deal with Obots. Do not engage them. They are out to hijack the thread and make your life miserable. I am seeing the same phenomenon today on other anti-Obama pro-Hillary sites such as liberalrapture, and also pro-Republican sites such as race42008. Even Obot infestation can be dealt with by lack of attention. Please ignore ‘belief’, ‘undercoverblackman’, some fool from UK etc.
I find them amusing.
New Slogan:
“Change that works for Him”
New name
Mr. Wiggle
What does the H mean in his name
How the hell are you suppose to trust this guy?
Obama is going to be as reckless getting out of his promises, as he was getting in to them.
When he started his campaign, a lot of people were asking what his “CHANGE” is really about. Now it is being more clear.
CHANGE FROM HIS ORIGINAL POSITION. Talk about character.
“Barack promises to have all U.S. troops out in 11 months, not 16 months. Here is what is posted on his site as his policy:
Obama would immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year.”
I might not be that bright, but how on earth can “start now and complete by the end of next year” ever be 11 months?
He can only start once he become the president, that’s Jan 09. Completed by the end of 09, that makes it 11 month. It’s math that hard for you?
No. This section of his site is describing legislation he proposed in Jan 07, before he even started running. His plan was to start withdrawing in early 07 and be done by end of 2008.
But, let’s forget that. Let’s pretend this was a presidential policy (even though the section clearly states this is proposed legislation in Jan 07). He would start immediately in January of ‘09. and complete by the end of the following year, 2010. There is no logical reading of a statement made in 2007 that includes the phrase “the following year” that results in an 11 month period. It is intentional distortion of the facts.
Hmmm, everone are just lying. And Obama tells the truth. Fisa, Public Funding, Nafta, you name it. All lies by Clinton supporters. Can you enlight me on those?
I’ll take that as capitulation re the subject at hand.
I do not claim that Obama has not made mistakes or changed some postions. I am merely pointing out a blatant lie by the author of this piece.
So this piece is a lie, but Obama isn’t? He just change position but did not lie? Or is it that is ok for him to lie but not the others(if the author did lie). The author uis not runnig for the highest office of this country, and you have no problem catching his lie. Obama is running to be the president of the USA, and is ok for him to ly?
Obama was running well before 2007. Maybe that’s when you were first aware of it, but his plans were in place long before then.
Sorry dude, you have never demonstrated a seriousness that merits a real response.
still looking down your nose at people eh ted?
Mourn the end of Roosevelt’s DNC, come to terms with the fact that its lamp was extinguished from within by those who crave power, bury it, bid adieu, and definitely don’t look back. Chicago-style politics instead of the will of the people have decided the outcome of the party’s election process.
Never forget that the untimely death of FDR’s DNC was deliberate and orchestrated. Always remember that this nation cannot withstand another untested incompetent as POTUS.
The neo-Dems think we’re fools who will eventually do their bidding. Remember in November that they do not deserve nor have they earned the right to control both Congress and the Office of the Presidency. Like the Republicans, they cannot be trusted. We must have a President who will ensure the checks and balances of power that are founders valued.
Remember in November; it is time to take our country back.
Obama is like one of those whiffle balls I used to play with. He’s not solid and substantial. He’s lightweight, full of holes and wavers all over the place when tossed or hit, unable to stay on a true course. Unpredictable and hard to know where he’s going to end up. I always preferred baseball to whiffleball.
i think you mean WAFFLEball.
Wiffle ball.
Anyone who needs to: Screenshots are easy. Using a PC? Just hit the “Print Screen” button on your keyboard. Then, open a program you can use to view and save images. Photoshop, GIMP, whatever.
Don’t have any special program? No problem. Go to “Accessories” on your Windows menu and open the “Paint” program. Every Windows PC has Paint. Then just hit Control + V to paste the screenshot. Then save it. Easy.
I hope and pray that the Clintons will stay away from this Sen. Obama.
Just think how those people in Jonestown felt when they realized it was all a lie, and they were trapped in the middle of nowhere with a megalomaniac.
Those who didn’t willingly drink the poisoned kool-aid were forced to do so.
several trolls are pushing polls by a company called 538 (fivethirtyeight) so it took about 60 seconds to find out that pollster is from CHICAGO and a writer for KOS as well.
Who the hell do they think they are fooling?
Ch ch ch changes turn and face the strain and give it the hell up already. How long will they pretend this panderer is presidential?
I own my vote and I won’t vote for sham-man.
TO DO HARM TO THIS BARACK KING OF ANTI-AMERICANS, I WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY.
IF OBAMA WINS, HE WILL STRENGTHEN HIS SOCIALIST AND ANTI-AMERICAN BASE IN OUR DEM PARTY.
IF OBAMA LOSES, HILLARY WILL STILL HAVE HER CHANCE IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS. I CAN STILL WAIT FOR MY HILLARY IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
SORRY. I WILL VOTE FOR THE OLD MCCAIN.
AFTER 4 YEARS, HILLARY WILL HAVE HER CHANCE FOR ANOTHER ELECTION.
IF BARACK WINS NOW, YOU KNOW THAT HE WILL TO HIS PRESIDENCY NO MATTER WHAT – THAT’S DICTATORSHIP AT WORK.
WILL YOU GIVE THE POLICE AND THE ARMED FORCES TO OBAMA? NO, WE ARE NOT MAD.
If we don’t vote for McCain now, there will be no Democratic Party to return to any time soon. They must be taught a lesson. Thankfully, the Republicans nominated a moderate, decent man who makes this task acceptable. Thanks Repubs!
Where else can people go? Well, there’s Nader, Barr, McKinney, and various and sundry other people running.
According to what I’ve read recently Nader is already up to 6%. He affected the last two elections with a smaller percentage than that.
People always have choices. If they choose someone with no firm stances or convictions well ya get what ya vote for.
Heck even Bush was smart enough to pretend to be a “compassionate conservative” until he was elected. Obama’s already all over the map on his positions. This does not bode well for America.
I just don’t want McCain to pick Jeb Bush for his running mate. I won’t vote for him if he does.
That’s a great song for Obama (Changes). When I first really saw Obama, I thought “he could make a good leader…someday”. That was when I saw footage of him in Africa. I thought he would be a great ambassador or something. When he said he was running for pres, I even kept an open mind. Until he was on his high horse in Nevada – I’ll never forgive what he said about Bill vs Reagan. I was like “who does this guy think he is???” I dislike, and more importantly, distrust the guy more each day that passes. With that said, there is a song from Rush that reminds me a lot of Obama. (Although it gives him too much credit to say it reminds me of him.) The song is New World Man: (I put the words in italics that make me think of him)
He’s a rebel and a runner
He’s a signal turning green
He’s a restless young romantic
Wants to run the big machine
He’s got a problem with his poisons
But you know he’ll find a cure
He’s cleaning up his systems
To keep his nature pure
Learning to match the beat of the Old World Man
Learning to catch the heat of the Third World Man
He’s got to make his own mistakes
And learn to mend the mess he makes
He’s old enough to know what’s right
But young enough not to choose it
He’s noble enough to win the world
But weak enough to lose it
He’s a New World Man…
He’s a radio receiver
Tuned to factories and farms
He’s a writer and arranger
And a young boy bearing arms
He’s got a problem with his power
With weapons on patrol
He’s got to walk a fine line
And keep his self-control
Trying to save the day for the Old World Man
Trying to pave the way for the Third World Man
He’s not concerned with yesterday
He knows constant change is here today
He’s noble enough to know what’s right
But weak enough not to choose it
He’s wise enough to win the world
But fool enough to lose it
He’s a New World Man…
And on to big news – Barack is about CHANGE!!!! (uhh huhhh. Who didn’t see this coming, raise your hands)
One thing is for sure – he’s everything I thought he was and more. Just as I thought he couldn’t get any more distasteful, any more disgusting, he then does just that.
http://www.TheOtherDemocrats.com
The Generals in Iraq, who have to execute policy, may have the integrity to set this light-weight straight! Apparently no one in the Democratic Party is up to the task! They planned to cruise to victory on the war…may not happen!
Open Message to President Clinton:
RESIST! Please Resist! You asked me a personal question in Upper Dublin PA when I brought my grandson Austin to meet you and profess his little (big) love for the World’s Greatest Daughter, Chelsea Clinton. You spent a great deal of time with him, an only child, 8 years old with profound knowledge of all United States Presidents.
*Q. Ma’am, do you believe Hillary “should” be our President?
*A. Yes, Sir. We need her more now than ever. Our world-at-large needs her.
She has earned this position. She has indeed proven herself over the course of many, many years. Hillary not only represents a Change we can believe in but she is someone we can believe.
We will come to the aid of our Party when it is clear that we have a leader. President Clinton, please do not give in. Your silence is speaking volumes and we hear you loud and clear.
We are not so naive that we don’t know in our hearts that Politics is a game. It is, however, it clearly is not and should not be a Shell Game.
As a mother of 4 lovely daughters and having a Mom who lives in our home, I am begging you: Please Resist.
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I am doing my part in donating $100. of every paycheck to get this monkey off her back. Pay off the Debt Now.
Mark your Calendars for the summer evening when Hillary comes to the podium in Denver to speak and to say: I accept the nomination of my Party and will be honored to lead you back to a path of peace and prosperity.
Encore! 21st Century!
God Bless our America the Beautiful and Happy Independence Day!
How ironic, DNC? Get out today, folks, a little SUNSHINE may be beneficial to all of you sitting in the back rooms plotting your next “refinement” a.k.a. “distraction”. Remember CREEP? I do. Smells the same only different.
Do screen shots have some kind of legal status? If not, may I suggest that you create a pdf? The way I do it, I do File, Print, select Adobe PDF as my printer, and save the pdf file to disk.
There are security options with the PDF program so that you can lock the file to prevent anyone from making changes.
The PDF print automatically provides and includes the url and a date/time stamp in the PDF.
If the screenshot does have a legal standing, then I suggest that you do both – the screenshot for your records and the PDF to post online. The screenshot is a graphic and all the text captured is a graphic and uses a lot of space. With a PDF, only the graphic elements on a page are stored as graphics, making a PDF a much better choice for inclusion online.
The screenshot plus the PDF confirm each other and therefore is excellent documentation.
When you do a screen shot, you can save it in any file format you want and a PDF is a file format. Adobe programs like Photoshop and Acrobat and even Illustrator (I think) all can save in .pdf and support that format.
So…it’s pretty much the same thing.
But generally, the screenshot that is put up on the web is a picture-usually a jpg, not a pdf.
With a graphic any text in the screen capture is a graphic. This means that people with vision problems can’t enlarge the text to read it. It can’t be read by a text reader.
Also, if you want to capture an entire article – to refute possible claims that you are taking the screen capture out of context or simply because the entire article (text on the web page) is worthy of preserving – you have to do multiple screen captures.
On the other hand, if you print the page as a pdf, you get the entire page with identifying information.
My recommendation would be to do the primary screen shot, keep as is for documentation purposes, make a smaller copy as a click on image in a post with the link being a pdf of the entire page.
Sure, save a PDF if you can, it does include more information and can be locked (on the other hand, if you do not want to post a file that shows information such as who created it, and when, then a PDF is not a good idea – I think you can edit those details, but I am not sure and not everyone will remember to do that).
However not everyone has the ability to create PDFs on their computer, the free Adobe reader does not have this feature, I think only the upgraded Acrobat does, which costs money. There are free PDF creator programs on the Web, though, you can probably find something via Google if you want to install software to do this.
Obama will:
Change all you believed in
And you will:
Hope to get it back
A vote for John McCain or Ralph Nader 2008 is a vote for Hilary Clinton 2012. However, my greatest fear is that Obama will pick Hillary as the VP candidate. He needs a strong VP candidate to piggy back on ideas. This guy is horrible explaining the issues without a teleprompter. How did the democrats allow this election to slip away from them? Hilalry clearly was the stronger candidate. All those republicans and independents voting for Obama in the primary are leavign him as fast NASCAr car. Anyone else notice Obama fundraising numbers are down? Even the DNC cannot raise money.
Johnson, I have some labor saving advice for you:
Make a template of that article in Word and change all the references to Iraq and all the quotes to form fields.
Failing that, learn to live with carpel tunnel syndrome as the mendacity of hype continues.