Quibbles and Bits – 7/3
By LisaB on July 3, 2008 at 11:05 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Democrats, Foreign Affairs, General Election, Iran, Iraq
1) Now THIS is interesting. Apparently the schism in the Democratic party continues. First it was Hillary supporters, dead-enders, who didn’t know the game was up and that Obama was going to bring sweetness and light to the progressive world.
Now it’s the left’s turn under the bus. Quoting from the WSJ, The New Republic has a comment titled Hey Nutroots, You Lost. It’s a short piece and it ends with this:
Why Democrats have ever listened to these people [lefties] is beyond me. Let’s applaud Barack Obama for ignoring the nonsense wing of his party.
Read the rest ->
2) USAToday has a piece on the same topic – blowing off the ones who brought you to the party.
In recent days, Obama has criticized the Supreme Court for saying that child rapists cannot be executed and refused to oppose a decision knocking down a handgun ban. He announced a plan to support faith-based social work and said he would vote for a bill giving immunity to telephone companies that allowed warrantless wiretapping of their customers.
Those centrist positions may help woo swing voters, but they infuriated some of Obama’s core supporters. Nearly 12,000 of them have formed an online group on Obama’s presidential campaign website, urging him to vote against the domestic wiretapping bill.
The article discusses the usual suspects in the lefty blogosphere and their unhappiness with recent Obama position triangulations. What’s interesting here is that these groups are beginning to hear what Hillary supporters heard some time ago:
Some political strategists, however, note Obama is making a calculated shift to win over voters in a country where neither major party claims a majority.
“His supporters should understand this,” said Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University in Atlanta. “He needs to reach out.”
Democratic pollster Celinda Lake doesn’t think there’s any political risk for Obama. “The progressive voters really dislike John McCain,” she said. “That should keep them on board.”
Welcome to the “you’ll be back on board and you’ll like it” party. The bus is on its way.
3) Is this a play FOR the VP slot by Sebelius or a play for NOT BEING on the Obama / ?????? ticket? At realclearpolitics is a short Q & A with Sebelius on whether or not Kansas will turn blue this fall. When asked if she could deliver Kansas, Sebelius hedged by saying “governors count.” But then she noted that Kansas has not voted Democratic since 1964.
4) Another short piece by Tom Bevan of Time describes an exchange between Bevan and Harold Ford, the current Chair of the DLC. Bevan tried to get Ford to say whether Obama is a progressive posing as a centrist or a centrist posing as a progressive. Ford replied that Obama is above such labels. Then he praised Bill Clinton’s presidency? WTH?
First, Obama is above such labels? Huh. That means he won’t be pinned down. Sounds noble, but when the rubber meets the road, it means he’s slippery and you can’t figure out where he might go and the metrics he uses to get there.
Second, Bill Clinton is now being praised? He’s not a racist? I guess this is some of that nice-nice being spread around by a trowel now that the primary is over. Blech.
It’s short. Read it for yourself and see what you think.
5) Reed Galen at realclearpolitics.com, warns against overconfidence at the Obama campaign. He covers some of the missteps of the campaign, including the Obama seal, alienation of Clinton voters, over-reliance on young voters and position flops on public finance and FISA.
However, claiming that he’s single-handedly re-created the public financing system because of the volume of his small-dollar donations is laughable. Add to that his recent decision to support the Senate’s decision on FISA, and its corresponding corporate protection, is completely at odds with the stands he’s taken to date on such issues. He runs the risk, like the limousine liberal set Senator Obama so ably represents, of being accused of sitting in his well-funded ivory tower and telling everyone else to, “do as I say, not as I do.”
Well, duh.
6) The LA Times has a story about a campaign stop in Colorado, where Obama outlined a plan to ask more Americans to participate in national service. He used his experience as a “community organizer” as an example of the transformative effects of such service.
However, glossed over was the indirect reference to how this would be paid for.
He has put out a $3.5-billion national service plan that would double the size of the Peace Corps, recruit retired engineers and scientists to tutor students, and offer college students tuition aid in return for community service.
He has pledged to pay for the plan by closing corporate loopholes and ending the Iraq war, among other things.
7) But apparently that whole Iraq position is up for grabs again. At Politico, Mike Allen has an update about Obama’s position(s) on Iraq.
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Thursday backed off his firm promise to withdraw combat forces from Iraq immediately, and instead said he could “refine” his plan after his trip to Baghdad later this month.
Yet, once again in the now familiar Obama slide, he said:
“When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies. . .””
Obama later said at a second news conference he still intends to stick to the timeline.
The original Obama plan, still on his Web site, promises: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
In a separate six-page Iraq plan, he says in a section headed “All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009”: “The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year –now.”
David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, began backing off during remarks Wednesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” telling guest host John Roberts that Obama has actually advocated “a phased withdrawal, with benchmarks for the Iraqi government to meet, that called for strategic pauses, based on the progress on these benchmarks, and advice on the commanders on the ground.”
WTH? Does anyone understand this “position” on the Iraq war? How in the world could someone supposedly so smart be so freakin flaky on an issue this important? Must be by design. It would certainly be nice to know which position (immediate withdrawal / phased withdrawal dependent on conditions “on the ground”) is the real one. But maybe the voters aren’t supposed to be able to tell.
8 ) Well, over at Financial Times is an article about Obama’s plans for Iran. Obama is asking the Europeans for more sanctions against Iran, but Europeans feel this will leave them too dependent on an unpredictable Russia for their energy needs.
But European countries have been reluctant to endorse new sanctions banning fresh investment in Iran’s energy sector, an idea mooted by Mr Obama’s supporters. Some European states are preoccupied by dependence on Russian gas and want to have Iran as an optional alternative.
He [Anthony Lake] stressed that Mr Obama, even after withdrawing troops from Iraq over 16 months as he has promised, would maintain “a residual presence for clearly defined missions”. These would include military training, and “preparedness to go back in if there are specific acts of genocidal violence”.
Oh, so we really need to ask what a “residual force” is. Also, it looks like the whole “talks without pre-conditions” is still on the table for Iran.
Mr Obama and his advisers stress the Democratic candidate’s readiness to sit down with Iranian leaders without conditions.
And Lake portrayed Obama as:
. . . a tough-minded realist rather than an anti-war politician. “When I joined the campaign, I remember asking someone at the very beginning: ‘Is this a protest campaign or a presidential campaign?’” he said, before insisting that the answer was clearly the latter.
Hmmmmm.
9) Also at FT is a slightly less nuanced story about the faith-based initiative the Obama campaign has begun to outline. Worth a read simply to get a more objective view of the proposal.
Under the plan, Mr Obama would set up a White House Council for Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships that would replace Mr Bush’s Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives. Describing the latter as a “photo-op”, Mr Obama promised a “real partnership” with religious groups that qualify to receive federal money for social welfare programmes.
“The new name will reflect a new commitment,” said Mr Obama. “This will not just be another name on the White House organization chart – it will be a critical part of my administration.”
Well, regardless of whether one likes this idea or not, it remains to be seen who Obama would staff such a program with or what its ideological / philosophical parentage is. Hey, where ideas come from matters.
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First.
So let me Say what needs to be said as clearly and succinctly as possible.
HELL NO TO BHO!!!
I mean really. The Leftwing lefties should be ashamed of themselves for helping prop up this baffon and steal the nomination.
Just embarassing.
Backtrack Obullshit strikes again.
And America will pay the price if this bozo gets elected.
J U S T
S A Y
N O
T O
B.H.O.
Once again another Democratic operative — Celinda Lake states that moving to the right won’t hurt Obama — The liberals hate McCain and they have no place to go. The Dems need to stop saying we have no place to go–we can go as far from this arrogant party and their attachment to this ignorant power mad amateur as we can get. Do we vote Obama who stands for nothing or do we vote for McCain whom we know — with McCain we may not get everything we want but we do get to keep the USA intact.
McCain is the only logical choice. Obama needs to be defeated for many reasons and McCain is the only one who can do it at this point.
Agreed.
Obama can’t help himself. He’s a lifter. He lifted Hillary’s policies now he’s going after McCain’s to xerox.
I think he gets confuzzled when he’s off the teleprompters. These comments were off the cuff and his campaign is scrambling to spin them. Like the one about how he is against lt abortion for women with mental health issues. Is Obama a Scientologitst now? Where’s Tom Cruise? It’s all in your head, sweeties.
No, “spritual wise ones” tell us he is a “lightworker”.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL
(Do not read this article right after eating.)
I have to be totally dumb to doubt that this guy has no integrity what so ever.He will do and say whatever to get elected. There is no comparison between him and MacCain, not a chance. MacCain looks better and better to me as we get closer to GE.
Yes, McCain is looking better and better.
At least we know his positions.
But the bottom line for me is that my few brushes with cons dictate I don’t continue supporting them and rewarding their con jobs.
It’s obvious the fix was in for Obama per the DNC choosing the convention dates in Jan. 2007 to coincide with Dr. King’s “I have a dream ” speech given on Aug 28 – the same date Obama will accept the nomination and deliver another “best speech evah.”
Ding, ding ding! Give that poster a Qewpie Doll! (Google it, Obamatots.)
The best example of left wingers who are still shilling for Obama is Rachel Maddow. Yesterday afternoon she was on a panel with Joe Scarborough. Everyone but she agreed that Obama had changed his position on Iraq. She kept insisting that he had never said he would have the troops out in 16 months even though Joe had played a clip of him doing just that. It was astounding! (And I think Joe was shocked.)
I’d love to see that, does anyone know if there’s a clip on youtube?
His mind is similar to GWB’s.
is it the drugs?
Who will be his Rove? Axelrod?
From one inexperienced baboon to another. If he gets elected we are fucked.
madam we must stop nominating fools with drug problems. Hillary would have made the best President — perhaps thats what scared the Democratic Party. They didn’t want an activist agenda. The Democratic Party can kiss my ass–I will never go back.
Yes, Axelrod will be Obama’s Rove. He already is.
The difference is Axelrod has refined Rove’s strategies beyond Rove. He has added many elements such as Marxism/Socialism/Radicalism, etc., to Rove’s Machiavellian/Fascistic melange.
Axelrod, as will be shown, has perfected evil and perniciousness to a degree that Rove aspired to but never quite acheived. Atwater was the prototype, Rove the meister, and Axelrod is now the uber-meister!
The truly disturbing part is that the target group for both Rove’s and Axelrod’s machinations is one and the same. Us!
“Us”, amounts to the old-line core Democrats of all persuasions, wishful Independents, and entranced, unseasoned, easily influened, youthful and first time voters.
*note – I include the majority of African-American voters in the aforementioned “old-line Democrats” group. They are! And, just like others mentioned, they are being “played and scammed” to the same degree as the other demographics, if not more so.
Axelrod isn’t better than Rove. I think he and Obama have chemistry like Bush and Rove did. The Republican campaign has been a little slow, but I think they’re still running a good campaign and keeping it clean. That’s tough with Obama and his media advantage.
I appreciate your comment. However, I think the qualifier “better” is subjective.
It is merely my opinion that Axelrod, as I stated, has been able to study all of Rove’s tactics, add in radical aspects like Alinsky, played the race card in a manner that Rove would have found daunting, and made core Democratic issues such as FISA, faith-based initiatives, campaign finance reform, etc., a moot issue to a vast segment of Democrats while advancing his candidate.
He has also managed to denigrate Clinton’s legacy to this wild-eyed segment of Democrats, a feat Rove could never have achieved, even in his dreams.
Axelrod, along with his playmates the DNC, MoveOn, Soros, and others, has neutralized over half of the Democratic primary voters. We are having to fight to be heard even now.
Again, Rove would have never have been able to play Republican party segments against each other in such an openly pernicious fashion. Rove has certainly played Republican elements against each other, but he has always kept the “core” as his strength.
Axelrod has told what was, with few exceptions, the Democratic core to go to hell. He and the DNC have said repeatedly that they can win without us. I do not agree, I think he is sadly mistaken, if we remain coalesced, but yet he and the DNC have had the audacity to say so.
I never recall, nor can I imagine, Rove and or the RNC saying his candidate could, and would win without Republicans. Axelrod, by his audacity, gives the impression that he must certainly think he is “better” at machinations than Rove. Only time will tell.
As to the symbiotic/mutuality aspects of the Axelrod/Obama relationship. I see it as being just another verse in the power playbook for Axelrod, with Daley, Patrick, et al having been the preface and opening pages.
Except, Rove is a real smart politician, but Axelrod is a crook and not so smart gangester. He looks like a crooked car dealer.
The thing about Rove is that you don’t even see his hands move. Axelrod is sloppy, slow, stupid and too new at this when it comes to creating alliances. Alliances are where Karl rules.
Where did this Axelrod come from???????????? I hope he gets thrown as far away from the Democratic Party as possiblen WHEN Obama loses.
Axelrod is a product of the Chicago political machine.
Isn’t Patti Solis Doyle’s brother part of it too? Still don’t believe she had Hillary’s best interests….
Now we know that Rovean tactics achieve short-term goals–but they destroy the party that practices them. Axelrod has destroyed the Democratic Party just as surely as Rove destroyed the Republicans.
The best newspaper article you did not quote.
It’s true, we Hillary supporters don’t do the mindless masses thing very well.
Please Pres. C & Hillary do NOT campaign with Obama.
stay far far away from the madness
(don’t let it infect you)
ALERT
and now the story breaks about his communist supporters. Add this the above news stories and it gets more frightening by the minute. Why couldn’t they have admitted this stuff during the primaries..???
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-party-backs-obama/
Communist Party Backs Obama
Barack Obama’s patriotic tour has run into a snag. More evidence of communist backing for the candidate has surfaced. The latest to emerge publicly in Obama’s camp is Joelle Fishman, the chairman of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) Political Action Commission. In a column titled, “Big political shifts are underway,”
No one ever said commies were bright.
There is such confusion amongst you folks, Obama, Axelrod they’re “communists, fascists, neo-liberals, left of center, no right of center, he’s just like McCain, no he’s like Bush, Alexrod is another Rove, blah, blah, blah.” Sweet hearts, he just a crooked politician and they’ll be anything to anyone who willing to let someone else do the thinking for them. That is American Politics in a nut shell. When NoBama backed peddled with FISA, that alone should have had people in the streets screaming bloody murder. No, they just said oh, what a disappointment and the MSM just gave him another pass. Where by in Europe where governments are afraid of the people because they take to the streets and stop everything from functioning. We are afraid of our government’s ability to work against us with blatant legislature, e.g., FISA. This is democracy?
Where else in the world would a gas bag like Olberman prance around whipping his pom poms through the air and kissing Obama’s ass after one infidelity after the other. That’s journalism, no more like entertainment. Let’s count, FISA, IRAQ, campaign finance, transparent government, Rezko, Ayers, Wright, lies about his education and community service, his father, his uncle, his grand mother,Chicago housing scandal,Alison Palmer. I can’t remember all of them off hand. Just can’t keep up with Mr. Hope. This clown is a pathological liar and still there are those white liberals who just can’t wait to drink more kool aid. Want some ice in that?
For sure “Yes he can,” destroy the Democratic party by buying it and moving it to the center of the corrupt political world — Chicago.
Oh, how sad. This is a post from Huff Up Obama:
“That’s a bunch of crap, Senator Obama. No go. I don’t buy it. When you become president, you can’t undo this. I don’t like being spied on. This is an invasion of my privacy. My cell phone records were turned over to the Bush Administration by Verizon without my knowledge or consent. I am so very disappointed in you my heart is sinking. I have given monies to you in the past but no more. I’ll vote for you but I have lost faith in you.”
Oh, my heart is sinking too. Bless its heart.
“But wait–what yonder light breaks on the horizon?”
I’m encouraged to read that harsh reality about the good Senator is seeping into the enchanted forest and disturbing those sweet dreams.
People who are feeling this way need to know there are other options. it’s sad when folks think they still have to vote or Obama even though they have absolutely no faith or trust in him. There are many different options, and voting McCain is just one of them. Don’t let the party silence you. Just say no deal.
“Hell is truth seen too late.”
Thomas Hobbes
Maybe some of the messianics will face the truth, and truly rebell, soon. I am not too hopeful.
We warned! Nobody bothered to listen. Not the media, not the Democratic party, nor the hopey, changey folks.
Perhaps it is not too late for us to avoid the hell that Hobbes warned of.
Same logic expressed by Bush loyalists (that’s about 26, 27 percent now); I’ll vote for you even though I have lost faith in you. Some way to elect a president of the People!
When his Iraq flim flam hits this poor lost soul he/she will stay home. They can sign up all the new voters they want. Pissing them off doesn’t get their votes. I wonder if Obama doesn’t secretly want to lose?
Why would anyone who has lost faith in Obama still say he/she will vote for him? Doesn’t make sense to me.
But he’ll still vote for him?! The Kool Aid is still confusing his senses. We need to set up a a Kool Aid Detox Center.
Being able to leave the democratic party over Obama takes time. It is truly not on overnight decision. I spent about 2 weeks trying to comvinve myself I was going to have to vote for the POS, but then I realized the truth, that I did not have to. I realized that the dems have had power for 2 years and haven’t done sqwat. Nada. So I resigned to vote McCain and then I was relieved. Give the bots some time to think. Their anger will lead them away from Barackula. You really can’t vote for someone you can’t trust, at least most people won’t.
Yikes! We need a 24-hour cable news channel covering nothing but the problems with Obambi.
The end of the Democrat party is near.
I feel thankful that I was able to see the party for what it is. Undemocratic!!!
The implosion begins. By November the party will represent nothing in the eyes of Americans
The Republican party has been taking a lot criticism but if the Obama wins the Democrats will self destruct. I can’t believe they are allowing this to happen.
He ISN’T going to win. Don’t you get it? The position changes are the death knell. What it says to me is that all of his “judgment” that got him here is BAD BAD BAD …. with nothing but judgment, what the heck else does he have?
Seattle Moss — The Democratic Party could have had it all this year–if they had nominated the right candidate. I will never forgive them for giving the party away to this idiot and then telling us we can stay home because they don’t need their base. Obama was counting on Blacks, Creative People (whatever that is) and young people. Now that he thinks he has those groups locked up he is going after the real prize Republicans. They will never vote for this fraud. If anything he is pushing them toward McCain. BO is no longer a shooting star, he is on a downward trojectory now and by November his name will be toast.
Creative people = Information sector, the New Young Turks, Reaganites, Bushies, the modern equivalent
That sounds like a group I would be happy to avoid. I try not to despair. Is it possible to know what the delegates are thinking? Are they caving or maybe ready to stand and fight? I tried to read the rules. but they are byzantine.
I believe any delegate is permitted to nominate a candidate if someone seconds. There are always favorite son nominations. How would it be possible, for example, to nominate John Edwards as a favorite son and not have Hillary’s name on the ballot. I am still in favor of creating chaos and challenging everything they try to do. Some resistance would be in order.
In other words, let’s troll the Convention! At a bare minimum, it will be a blast. At best, we shake things up and help reality smack the Delegates in the face.
Just read the comments by his, should I saw ex-supporters now, on FISA. ROFLMAO.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary
Oh, my! Some of the commenters on BO’s website sound just like us! The kool-aid drinkers are coming out of their stupor.
I checked out the comments. I wanted to tell them to ‘welcome under the bus’. Than reading more I realized that they are just doing fine. Many of them already know, they are under the bus.
Ladies and Gentlemen, let’s make a little room. A crowd is coming.
A lot of determined people working together can flip over a bus.
A lot of determined people working together can overturn a bus.
I was just on their website for one hour reading their posts with my jaw open. They are turning on their Messiah with a vengeance.
Yet the sad part is that they will probably soon “get over it”. After the media and Obama “explain it” multiple ways, and tell them what he “really meant”. As he did twice yesterday re Iraq, what a sham?
I really am afraid most of the worshippers do not have enough backbone to stand by their principles.
Just as I have seen such caving in by many supposedly principled Clinton supporters.
I still believe that is totally up to us, those that cannot forgive the Obama campaign or the DNC, to coalesce and defeat them both. Hopefully, bringing about a reformation of the Democratic party to one that, once again, represents all Democrats.
If not I strongly support a fully viable third party, or staunch Independence, for all of us that have been told to go to hell.
But he’s a product. The “new” young voter/donor will forget about him and there will be a new product. A new face. A new message. He’s going to lose a lot of votes. No more mass rallys. He’s not going to increase the middle and he’s losing the left. I didn’t expect it would happen so quickly. But it certainly should show in polls within two weeks, don’t you think?
Now the left does not have anywhere else to go, so they will stick around? They had a good candidate, a capable candidate who heeded them more and they rejected her. And, now they have this incompetent buffoon who is fooling them all over again and they call it political strategy. Give me a break!
If they get pissed off enough, they will vote Nader
Send ‘em on over!
Pissed off or not makes no difference.
The grassroots are alive and well outside the two-party swamp!
Nader / Gonzalez ‘08 — votenader.org
Gonzalez flagrantly violated the city ordinance prohibiting smoking in SF City Hall while a member of the Board of Supervisors by smoking weed in his City Hall office. That was his notable progressive stance.
If you read the comments, many of them are simply not going to vote in November. As predicted, the Obamatots will only hang around as long as there’s something shiny to hold their attention. Then they’re off to the next video game. GTA5 anyone?
sing it with me now:
“The wheels on the bus are coming off,
Coming off,
Coming off….”
Cindy: That is too funny.
The leftwing’s lefties will get a Bush third term if this guy gets elected including Iraq all wrapped up in gift paper? Will they now join us, Hillary supporters in revolting and bringing her back before August? In their view, she has at the very least shown a determination to hold Bush accountable for all his atrocities, starting with Iraq.
Lefties? In what is Obama a lefty?
Which day are you asking about? Yesterday, today, tomorrow? Early primary or Now?
MoveOn pandering, Kos, SF white bitterness speech, Soros backing, Ayers, white guilt, Alinsky worship, etc.
His supporters think he is. I was recently on a flight to SF and sitting next to a kool-aide guy. His first sentence was Obama is closer to his politics. They are in for a rude awakening but some of those fools are fooling themselves by saying that he has to do this to win.
I did notice on a CNN clip he is left handed. That must be the lefty in him. He misunderstood when he got into politics and they said which party are you in? Are you a lefty or a righty? He thought they meant left handed. Too bad.
Every time he open his mouth, he needs to clean it up the next day.
He needs someone to follow him around with a pooper scooper.
pooper scooper?
My Ass!
more like a BULLSHITDOZER!
Or a very large catchers mitt
Perhaps we could interest believe in the position, he/she seems highly qualified.
An industrial size manure spreader might do the trick!
This time it didn’t even take a day for him to clarify his remarks about troops in Iraq. He had to call the press back for a second news conference to clarify his earlier remarks!!! LOL
How is it working for you now Barky?
worth reposting:
BREAKING NEWS!!!
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You should line out his middle name Hussein, remember shhhh…we’re not allowed to say that.
dammit. that would have been a good one…i curse the lack of an edit function.
CURSES!
5 stars! lol
I love reading your posts, you always manage to give me a big smile
BLESSED BE ALL TRUTH SEEKERS!!!
HAPPY 4TH!!!
Yes you are not allowed to mention the middle name “HUSSEIN” unless you want to be branded a racist.
You know how effective race baiting has been this year.
Toooo funny!
I love your post, but I love the 3rd note even more.
Re: No. 7 above, when Obama is asked about his timetable for Iraq, Obama is just going to shoot from the hip and his policy will be whatever happens to come out of his mouth at that moment, subject to change the next time he speaks…
What part about Obama did his followers not understand, the flip or the flop?
After all, Obama is an empty suit.
Er, I mean a fraud in an empty suit
Shoot from the hip, eh? Looks like Obama plans to emulate GWB’s policies after all. Remember the good old days when “it’s over when I say it’s over“; that make-my-day moment of “bring it on“; “I’m the Decider, I decide what’s best“; and that golden oldie, “”If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”
Yup, following in the “great man’s” footsteps. Apply to any or all Obama plans and policies and his position becomes perfectly clear. It’s whatever I say it is and don’t you forget it.
This from his 2nd(chuckle) press conference yesterday:
“Let me be absolutely clear. As president I set the mission. This is a…I just had an interview with the Military Times yesterday in which I said one of the flaws in the president’s approach is to say that he is doing what General Petraeus tells him is the best thing to do. That’s not the president’s job. The President’s job is to tell the generals what
their mission isto do.”He sure made some friends in the military with that, let me tell you.
And to the Military Times?
What an idiot!!!
If history repeats itself, A president BOBO won;t be getting us out Of Iraq until his second term.
He will never make it past one term.
Obama even getting elected is a near improbability.
DISLIKE MCCAIN ALL YOU WANT….. LIKE HILLARY MCCAIN HAS A POSITION AND YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS… UNLIKE OBAMA MCCAIN IS PRINICPLE, HE STANDS HIS GROUND AND STICKS TO HIS GUN AND SEES IT THROUGH. OH GOD, HOW I LOVE HILLARY… NOW THERE IS A LEADER WITH BALLS.
OBAMA IS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT…GIVEN WHAT WE NOW KNOW AND WHAT OBAMA HAS SAID SO FAR… THERE IS NO ONE REASON WHY ANYONE WOULD TRUST OBAMA. … EXPERIENCE MATTERS….FOR ANYONE TO DO ANY JOB….
PROTEST OBAMA
Hold your keys up and shake them.
Simple go anywhere protest method.
McCain’s medical records said that he is afraid of the sound of keys because he heard that sound as the Viet guards came to torture him.
Use the keys to show the difference between McCain and Obama in service and character.
Lets make Obama fear the sound of the keys shaking in our up raised hands
jjran — Ditto to everything you said. Great Post
I have found that experience to a certain degree is useful, beyond that people learn tricks to help themselves. In my company, those with 10+ years experience are essentially worthless; they dont turn up to work, they help themselves to all kinds of perks as they have figured out how to exploit the system and they are experts and avoiding work. They are almost always in meetings or travelling business class to some exotic location or on training, again in exotic locations.
Its those people with 5-10 year experience who keep this company afloat.
Okay, now I’m realllly worried about the future of this country with idiotic comments like this.
What happen to all the education? Did they sleep through 16 years of it? He must be more productive loading stuff instead of using his brain.
Maybe its the personal experiences talking?
speaking from experience?
ben – how about no experience — I would say thats a deal breaker.
The Messiah wants to hold his acceptance speech at Denver’s football stadium:
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If he keeps it up, he can hold it in a phone booth.
LOL
Speaking of phone booths, Obama thinks he’s Superman.
You should talk douche princess.
The trolls are just slinging the insults. It’s probably one IP and a bottle of Wild Irish Rose.
They have nothing else. I mean think about it. Their candidate has left the building.
Mile High? Why not send him to the moon and leave him there.
Nope. He’s going to end the space program. That 1% of the budget is what is going to pay for EVERYTHING …. lol
WOW. The bots are not happy with the chosen one.
The Obama supporters were hood winked! We had a chance to elect a strong, qualified and experienced Democrat in Hillary Clinton. I too have worked my ass off for the Dem Party for 30 years. I have been a voting member of the Dem Exec. Committee and worked on many, many campaigns. I am not at all happy that I have to vote for a candidate that I really don’t trust or sit this one out. I will probably write in Hillary Clinton. Like many other Dems will do in Nov.
Many many more like that surfacing all over the net.
Barry Barry He’s your man!!
If he can’t fool you noone can!!
Maybe he can give a speech on speaking out of both sides of your mouth next.
Maybe give a speech about the filthy crust on the sides of your mouth bitch.
Maybe you should follow your own advice and wash your mouth out yourself.
Hi, Michelle!
Where are all the Obama supporters? I’ve been looking for one all day on the blogs.
Their overwhelming silence is…kinda creepy!
Are they speechless? Pouting? Crying?
Or just waiting around for the latest Obama Talking Points – which change 180 degrees every news cycle now – must be confusing.
School’s out, so they’re at the beach.
I’m not kidding — these people are ALL KIDS. That’s the problem with this kind of forum — you can’t tell right away that you’re talking to children. I had a volley with a punk named Mr. Unlimited at TaylorMarsh (who makes me sick so don’t start) and finally found out the guy was 22 years old. In person, I’d have never engaged him for a second. It’s so embarrassing when you find out you’re arguing with kids.
Or how about when you find out you’re arguing with a foreigner? That always pisses me off.
Well, I wouldn’t mind a Canadian. They’re just nicer versions of us.
Not the ones I’ve argued with here besides I don’t think they should be arguing with us about our presidential nominees.
but without a sense of humour.
Yeah, when I found out someone is a foreigner I call the INS and my cousin Len.
Shut up, you Palestinian dirty foot ratfucker.
oh dear lord…the poor rats.
Hee hee. I really shouldn’t engage the trolls when my ambien kicks in. I get too liberal with my epithets.
It is a holiday. Along with their $7/hour paychecks, they probably do get paid holidays.
Sadly, the Obama plan doesn’t include Health Insurance.
linda — we can make room for them at PUMA.
They were here earlier but it’s a holiday so their probably out partying now.
Has anyone checked to see if Howard Dean is locked in a freezer in Obama’s Chicago office?
They may find Jimmy Hoffa instead.
By the way …Happy Birthday America!!!!!!!!!!!I love ya, you’re the best!!!!!!!!
The whitey tape will come out tomorrow, and it has a remixed song in it by R Kelly.
MEchelle’s “Real Talk.” LOL.
Bitch I wish you would burn my mother-fucking clothes.
I’m not kidding — these people are ALL KIDS. That’s the problem with this kind of forum — you can’t tell right away that you’re talking to children.
You can’t concentrate because you’re choking your chicken.
I just don’t think you can text AND spot a fraud at the same time.
BillClintonDemocrat…. A hard-on doesn’t count as personal growth.
now we get to the nub of the point.
Well-played, sir!
Does his mummy know what he’s really talking about when he mutters he’s going to “c alis?”
Nice comment…
Some of the poison eaters are ready for an antidote. Hillary Clinton is 44!
If America elects BHO to the most powerful office in the world, we deserve what we get.
Hey thats my line…and you are damn right.
Just for the Bots. They won`t mind joining up to help Obama, now that he is going to expand the military. I will even lend them one of our songs from the 60`s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDBw2UZOn0E
wow man that was heavy man i just like had this flashback man like where’s Flakey Foont man like he was to score us some purple speckled barrels man
In your case, a flashback would undoubtedly be an improvement.
Thanks for the memories, Harp.
I think the bathtub is coming back into style again Mr.Natural.
HARP, Can’t Hillary’s campaign do anything about shortening the convention to three days so he doesn’t get to do a “Napoleon” on himself with the historical MLK speech anniversary?
I’ve heard Hillary is seeing about the legal aspects of what happened in the primary.
Please pass this around. Something is brewing.
It’s a questionaire about caucuses.
Please participate if you attended a caucus.
Caucus survey-scroll down for the survey by a PUMA.
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/
He is to tall to be Napoleon, but I would like to send him to the Island of Saint Helena.
someone else wrote that —–just sharing …
OBAMA=LIAR.
OBAMA=HYPOCRITE.
OBAMA=FLIP FLOP.
OBAMA=FAKE.
OBAMA=FRAUD.
OBAMA=CON ARTIST.
OBAMA=CROOK.
OBAMA=COWARD.
OBAMA=GUTLESS.
OBAMA=PHONY.
OBAMA=XEROX MACHINE.
OBAMA=JUST WORD.
OBAMA=OSAMA.
ok i have to take umbrage with the last one listed.
Saying Obama = Osama is an insult to Osama Bin Laden.
Revile Osama all you want but he stood by his principles how ever whacked they were and didnt flip flop or pander.
In comparison to Obama, Osama is the stronger more honest reliable man and his character is consistant with his positions.
Not condoning anything he has done but nowhere in all of bacrackhead Obullshits life has he stood for anything, taken a stand on anything, and stood by anyone when it wasn’t politically convenient.
Call Osama what you want but you can’t call him a thieving lying dirty politician who is bamboozling his constituancey with lies and fake promises.
God its pretty pathetic that the western worlds most hated man has a more consistant character than the shit the DNC is proping up as the selected nominee.
Just gross.
Have you noticed that The MSM ticker has changed Osama to Usama …would not want to make any associations…
OBAMA=GUMBY
My favorite now.
But I like Gumby!
Please don’t insult Gumby or Pokey for that matter!
You forgot one, sonia:
OBAMA=WINNER
Tony, I made the same remark at the Confluence and got censored for it.
LOL
Who’s crying now?
This post is from Obama supporter and Obama website..
By Matt from Woodland Hills, CA 27 minutes ago
I’m one of those “angry bloggers” and here’s my $.02: If Barack Obama can’t stand up on behalf of the Goddamned Constitution, why the hell did I work so hard to get him through the primary?
I absolutely support the idea of “escrowing” our contributions and not allowing them to flood in until our candidate does the right thing on FISA. I likewise support Markos Moulitsas’ public decision to withhold his max contribution until this issue plays out.
We were obviously naive to think that a “new kind of politics” means being honest and sticking to your principles. What we’re learning is that Obama’s “new” politics are actually the old politics of triangulation and hedging and allowing out-of-touch DC consultants to guide him into the sorry, Kerry-Gore-Dukakis-esque game of “moving to the middle.” It feels like we should have saved our money and our sweat and just let Hillary win – we’d be witnessing the exact same calculation and lilly-livered capitulation, prettified by “heartfelt” messages (of total gibberish) to the faithful when he decides he wants to ignore us.
I hope Team Obama understands that, from our perspective, the FISA compromise can only mean one thing: YOU HAVE DECIDED YOU’RE GOING TO TRY TO WIN WITHOUT US.
If that’s how you want it, fine. I guess I’ll have an extra few thousand dollars in my checking account for Christmas
Some blogger, if he doesn’t know FISA’s done. Obama killed it; the Senate vote (if he shows up for it) is irrelevant.
Why don’t people get off Obama’s back
about FISA?
The man used his best ‘judgement’ and
made an ‘informed, refined’ decision on FISA
after this conversation with Michelle:
BO: FISA, FISA.
Michelle, uuhhh, what’s a ‘telecom’?
MO: Telecom? Hmmm, telecom,
tele-com. tell-a-com. You’re pathetic, that’s those
why’d he’s that make your tele-prompters.
BO: Damn!!! They can’t go to jail!
I NEED them.
See? A perfectly valid, legitimate reason
for his support. So leave him alone.
Lou, where was that posted?
[...] July 3, 2008 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/03/quibbles-and-bits-73/ [...]
And another post from an Obama blogger on Obama site…
By Michael Greene 29 minutes ago
It is my understanding that you may request a refund of your campaign donations by contacting Alexa Chappell at achappell@barackobama.com.
your refund check is in the mail… if you do not receive it your within 30 days don’t call us we’ll call you… thank you for your continued support….
IS THIS FOR REAL?
Yes it’s real DJ. Isn’t it grand?
Oh good I’m not here posting my goodies alone..
I feel so good..
Enjoy
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary
Obama supporters are leaving him in droves
I hope this is the URL you were looking for elizinsandi
Please help out with the caucus survey a few posts above. something is brewing for Hillary.
Also, she removed Obama from her website. It now only says reduce the debt..so tomorrow we are to all donate 20.08 to let her know we are still standing for her.
And up post..Obama is being supported by communists..breaking news today.
Yeah, I’m here…going back and forth…some late night blogs are wierd…littlegreenfootballs…but there’s good info. sometimes.
Another Obama supporter throw Barky under the bus..
By T from Vista, CA 43 minutes ago
I have been an ardent supporter of Barack Obama through the primary season and I felt we had not had a statesmen of his quality since perhaps Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln…but this week he proved me WRONG by giving his support and assent to the FISA bill (which allows wire taps without a warrant singed by a judge).
On this eve before the celebration of our nation’s independence, I feel as though yet another beacon of light has been distinguished by the quagmire and cesspool which has become our government. Sadly, Barack Obama is that light which has fallen victim to the very structure he set out to change. My heart is heavy, as our last great hope to change our body politic in this election has turned his back on us as Americans. The FISA bill is being sold to us by playing on our fears of terrorism, but the truth is it is nothing more that an assault on our Constitution and those liberties we hold so dear. This bill allows wire taping on citizen “suspected” of suborning terrorism. In this nation, the brilliance of our Founding Fathers and the Constitution is that we have a rule of law which protects all people equally, which is what makes us a just and compassionate nation. If our government has good reason to suspect a person is planning a terrorist act, they are not left without a Constitutional remedy. Under the rule of law, a warrant is drafted (takes less than 30 minutes) and it is presented to a judge with the reasons the tap is necessary, i.e., “Probable Cause”(in an emergency a judge can be located within 30-60 minutes 24 hours a day). With Probable Cause judges are all too happy to sign warrants for taps, search, seizure and arrest. So if a warrant can be obtained within 90 minutes, it is not the speed at issue which is what the supporters of the FISA bill assert. It must then lead one to ask the obvious question, what is the government trying to hide by usurping judicial review, i.e., having a warrant signed by a judge as required by the Constitution and our rule of law?
I cannot cast my vote for President that will twist the Constitution for his own capricious use. His vision captured me and he had my vote, this week, lost my vote.
I read this crap and I’m trying very hard to feel some sort of empathy for T, really, I am. But I tried to tell people like this that if someone was willing to game the caucus system in their favour like Barky did, than he would be capable of anything. These are the people that called us dead enders and uneducated and sore losers etc. The thing that pisses me off, is that because of the so called ‘elites’ like T, we’re stuck with the worst Democratic candidate that I can remember. I’m sorry, but I’m way passed saying ‘I told ya so’, I’m into the ‘rip heads from shoulders’ stage.
Another Obama supporter defects..
By Michael Greene 45 minutes ago
Goodbye and good luck Senator.
We can only hope many do defect. He is not in favor, as someone suggested, in shortening the convention. He plans to make a speech on the anniversary of MLK’s great speech. He’s going to try to do a Napoleon…crown himself despite the dispicable primary stealing…and get alot of attention. I heard a PUMA type broadcast today. Guess we’d better get active on those. Justsaynodeal, etc.
When the defection is right on O’s blog, it must be pretty bad.
Now they lost all their bloggers and need more real bad..
the bus is way crowded..we are headed for a crash.
By Bahamas”Hussein”ForObama08 Yesterday at 5:16 pm EDT
THE FIERCE URGENCY OF NOW!
W.A.N.T.E.D
New Obama-Blog Friends (real bad, please!)
Thank you! :-]
It’s severe. Even Randi Rhoades is having a change of heart..GOOOOOO Hillary! Are we going to the convention..damned right! Hillary never CONCEDED!
Randi Rhodes is a fucking whore.
Oh, I sincerely doubt she’s fucking.
omg, LOL
The FISA lie is especially painful! He’s just Bushie.
The entire Congress is despicable on FISA.
Please help out and PASS THIS AROUND TO ALL THE BLOGS YOU VISIT. WE ARE GOING TO COURT FOR HILLARY.
Please pass this around. Something is brewing.
It’s a questionaire about caucuses.
Please participate if you attended a caucus.
Caucus survey-scroll down for the survey by a PUMA.
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/
People where I live are totally afraid of an Obama win. Have you heard that CA. could go red if the same sex marriage ruling controversy surfaces again?
go to aol straw poll and see the entire country red with McCain getting an average of 69%!!!
They can’t say we didn’t warn them.
Even MASS is going red.
I’m in Oregon..we’ll go red for sure. 3/4 of the state is republicans who would have gladly voted for Hillary.
I read that she is confering over the stolen election issues.
Did you listen to the PUMA radio tonihgt? I didn’t. I was doing yard work.
Allow me to post a couple more of Obama’s supporters leaving him..
By Harold from Antioch, CA Today at 2:12 am EDT
I can’t support a man who betrays the constitution. Sorry.
Barack, be aware that your betrayal (too strong?) on this bedrock issue can affect many like me who value civil liberties more than anything else. You have previously taken, strong, sometimes unpopular, positions on issues yet promising a “change in Washington”. We’ve worked hard for your campaign in the primaries. Is this change in your position the kind of “change” you had in mind?
He stepped in it over FISA and Iraq, but he believes his own BS.
HAVE HIS SUPPORTERS NOT FIGURED IT OUT!!!! Obama is an opportunist who is only out for himself. He uses and tosses. People better wake up for if he gets in the WH he will expect all of us to SACRIFICE while he fills his pockets. He is doing what Rev Wright said…telling everyone what they want to hear just to get elected…read what he did in Chicago..NOTHING
Wright knows Obama best.
Or, more than that…he’s beholden to financial support from corporations.
And he stepped in it over the faith based initiative..some of his supporters are against it.
His faith is take from us and give to the Black Panthers
Funny-he wouldn’t allow issues to be discussed during the primaries-but now it’s ok?
His voters didn’t even know what he stood for. Are they in for a shock.
I’m very cynical about everything. I saw him for the manipulator he was way back in Jan. before the other candidates left the race to him and Hillary. It’s just excruciating to see him preach and pander and I turn off the tv when I see him.
I wish BO would stop planning on paying for things with the savings from ending the Iraq war. Not only is it questionable, now, whether he’ll actually end the war or not but the reality is that all that money is borrowed to begin with. I hate the idea of him being so clueless that he thinks it is smart to actually spend that deficit elsewhere.
Ending the faith based funding would have been a good place to save money…people should pay for community and church work, not government.
The money is borrowed to cover entitlement spending in the federal budget. Entitlements now consume 65% of all spending and are rising. The entire budget for the Department of Defense is only one tenth that amount. War spending itself comes in at under 1% of GDP.
And he wants to make BIG cuts in DEFENSE
Amen.
On Benidict Arnold day we should all raise a glass to mr obama for continuing that tradition of selling out your country–Independance day will be celebrated at the democratic convention, when we burn our DNC cards
What gets me about the US is that, in America, it’s centrist to be for hand guns and capital punishment, in general, with for rape thrown in as a bonus. Centrist! In Europe these are far right positions! Where is the American left? Drowned in the Pacific?
and in Europe individual rights are limited by delegation from the government in which all powers and rights are vested, whereas under the US Constitutional system all rights are inalienable and vested in the people with powers ceded to the government. the effect of this distinction is that rights such as free speech are subject to government curtailment in Europe and indeed speech which may cause offense is prosecuted in Europe under various forms of “hate crime” laws
An example:
Bridgette Bardot was recently fined under France’s speech laws for speaking as an animal rights activist against the unnecessary slaughter of animals. A criminal complaint was lodged by a Muslim group as such speech being offensive to Islam in which goats are slaughtered as part of a religious ritual. In the US her speech would be absolutely protected.
I don’t always post, but daily I come to read. The comments are always on the money and often make me laugh. Although I don’t agree with everything said I love all of you, because you make me proud to be an American.
Happy Birthday, USA! God Bless America and its freedom-loving, spirited people!
You should post more often. God Bless America!
Thank You BJ. Will you join us in Denver? There’ll be plenty of room since Obull is renting a football stadium. Darraugh can get us front row seats and we can all wiggle our keys when obull speaks.
This community organizer bullshit has no legs.
ACORN = disreputable voter fraud indicted.
PIRG = hundreds of ads back then in the wnat ads in newspapers all over the country for LOSERS who couldn’t get other jobs to work for this org during the summer knocking on doors and taking surveys.
Hazel Johnson has likely been scrubbed off the internet but early this year she was asked about ob’s work in removing asbestos etc in Chicago slums and she said his book was deceitful. She was THE person who did all the work and he was a bit player.
She was pissed she was overlooked by him and he took all the credit – but she nevertheless fell in line for the big bamboozler and supported him. UGH.
His track record is hideously shameful pulp fiction.
And that’s why Barky is able to get away with his behaviour, no one stands up to the little prick, they all just fall in line. GODDAMN IT!
What’s wrong with you people!
Barack’s dreams are melting away, all you can do is laugh and giggle. Where is your compassion, where is your humanity?
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I’m just screwing with you.
Did someone say Hillary in August?
Let’s get ‘er done!
Happy Birthday USA.
No wonder you kicked us out, if people like UKforDems were running the country lol.
Happy Birthday to this great country….here is a poem someone sent me in an e-mail, don’t know who wrote it:
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG,
OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ,
AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS,
ONE NATION UNDER GOD ,
INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY
AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!
We must never forget who gets the credit for the freedoms we have, of which we should be eternally grateful.
I watched the flag pass by one day,
It fluttered in the breeze.
A young Marine saluted it,
And then he stood at ease..
I looked at him in uniform
So young, so tall, so proud,
With hair cut square and eyes alert
He’d stand out in any crowd.
I thought how many men like him
Had fallen through the years.
How many died on foreign soil
How many mothers’ tears?
How many pilots’ planes shot down?
How many died at sea
How many foxholes were soldiers’ graves?
No, freedom isn’t free.
I heard the sound of Taps one night,
When everything was still,
I listened to the bugler play
And felt a sudden chill.
I wondered just how many times
That Taps had meant “Amen,”
When a flag had draped a coffin.
Of a brother or a friend.
I thought of all the children,
Of the mothers and the wives,
Of fathers, sons and husbands
With interrupted lives.
I thought about a graveyard
At the bottom of the sea
Of unmarked graves in Arlington.
No, freedom isn’t free.
Enjoy Your Freedom & God Bless Our Troops
Amen and thank you for this timely reminder.
This is what I find troubling about the MSM
Here is a cnn.com headline…
Ticker: Poll shows troubling trend for McCain
Here is what you get when you go to the article…
Obama holds a small lead over McCain, 4 months before the election, but previous summer polls don’t always predict the outcome in November.
(CNN) — The race for the White House remains tight as American heads into the July 4 weekend, a new CNN poll of polls shows.
In the latest CNN survey of four recent national polls, Barack Obama holds a 6 point lead over John McCain, 48 percent to 42 percent. That represents a slight increase for the Illinois senator over the last week: in a CNN Poll of polls released last Friday, Obama topped the Arizona senator by 5 points.
“As we hit the July 4 holiday weekend, the presidential polls seem to have settled into a stable pattern,” said CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. “Obama’s lead in our polling average has been holding relatively steady around the five percent mark for almost a month. The question now is whether that lead will hold — or possibly even expand — as we turn our attention to the conventions and the campaigns start advertising more.”
The presumptive presidential nominee has clearly increased his lead from one month ago: in a CNN poll of polls conducted June 2, when Hillary Clinton was still in the race, Obama led McCain by only one point, 46 percent to 45 percent.
But how predictive are presidential polls four months before the election? Not very.
Consider where the presidential race stood in 2004 heading into the July 4 weekend: then, John Kerry held a 4 point lead over Bush in a CNN poll of polls, 49 percent to 45 percent, a lead that evaporated by November. And in 2000, Bush was up 6 points over Gore at this point in the summer — and the outcome that year, of course, was one of the narrowest electoral victories in the nation’s history.
Related: Election Center
cnn.com… Where the “news” is “spun”
Why does the headline (which is as far as most people read) point to a negative about McCain, while the substance of the article is really about the flat thin lead for BO that will most likely evaporate by the GE?
Certainly the BO ads on cnn.com wouldn’t have anything to do with content or headlines.
naaawww
Can we please get rid of the brain-numbing term “flip-flop” and call it what it really is? It’s a reversal, now called “refinement” by the artful one.
The proof of his m.o LIES in: his advice to the Canadians regarding NAFTA during the primary – “don’t listen to the campaign rhetoric”. wink-wink
“Flip-Flop is just too cutesy and people are being conditioned to believe that a flip-flop is no big deal.
A lie is a lie is a lie is lie…
Personally ,I like flim-flam better. Sounds more like the snake oil salesman that he is.
Then flim flam it is
OMG, did someone compare Barky to Honest Abe Lincoln?????????
My fear is that Obama will win this November.
The readers on this site are insightful and discerning and have caught on to the manipulation of the Obama camp–because many here have been targets. Unfortunately, I don’t believe the rest of the voting public is aware of the deception as represented by the polls.
Yes, many have seen the Rev. Wright debacle but not much more–and those who have seen it have become dismissive. We are counting on the RNC to run ads that will counter the Obama spin-machine but why haven’t they done it yet? I personally don’t think they will! The RNC is not in love with John McCain because of his centrist positions and may want to even lose this election to Barky so that the DNC can have there hands on all of the reins for the next four years.
I wish we could form a 527 of our own, to inform voters of what the MSM refuses to say and to do what the RNC may never do.
Obama is a detriment to our country and I don’t care what party propped him up there. The fact that the MSM has shown the power and determination to allow this deceitful candidate to float through the process and misinform the voters of this country. But, there is HOPE for a CHANGE. The CHANGE can be that WE WON’T FOLLOW in large voting blocks like they think and WE CAN do what the media has failed to do, shine the light of truth on Obama AND the media this election and inform our fellow citizens.
You don’t know many Republicans, do you? The ones I know would vote for Walt Disney’s dead body before they’d vote for Obama. No, they may not like McCain, but like us they will do anything to defeat Obama.
McCain starts to look pretty damn good when you compare him to Obama. If democrats compare and choose McCain, why should we think republicans wouldn’t?
I doubt anyone hates McCain more than they hate Obama.
Hahahahahahahahahahah! Walt Disney’s dead body….Hahhahahahhahhahha.
Just Say No Terrorists and Nobama:
I think the GOP strategy for holding off on the big guns is to wait until after the Democratic Convention – until there is no way Hillary can replace Obama as the nominee.
Hillary doesn’t have to run to the middle like Obama has done. (In his over-eagerness, it seems Obama has overshot the middle and landed in Bush territory on policy – so much for his JUDGEMENT.)
The GOP knows Hillary is the one they can’t beat. They have the goods on Obama (the REAL GOP talking points against Obama, the 527’s, the hard-hitting ads, maybe even the so-called “whitey” tape, etc.) but why waste it by blasting Obama out of the race with Hillary still in the wings?
They are holding their collective breaths that Obama can hang on until the nomination is official.
Have you noticed how reticent John McCain is to counter Obama policies? Even when he does, McCain comes up with some kind of weak rebuttal. Mostly he has been hiding out in Mexico – or is it South America? The guy has beeb mumbling his way through the election so far.
Those who have followed previous elections sit in wonder at the so-far piddling excuse for a campaign the GOP is waging. There’s only one clear logical reason for the namby pamby.
The Republicans are holding their powder – no doubt about it. Problem is, Obama was already beginning to die by a thousand small cuts, then he made the mistake of believing his own publicity and went for the REALLY big one – ONE GIANT STEP TO THE CENTER RIGHT…you know, where the most of the country is.
Obama really believed his base would stick with him no matter what – and most of his black voter base will. But his uber-liberal base is already rebelling. I think this caught him by surprise.
Let’s hope Emperor Obama is finally so naked in full view of his supporters that nothing he can say or do will get that genie back in the bottle.
I’d say Hillary’s chances are enormously increased today.
I’ve noticed whenever John McCain is asked about some new Barky attack or gaffe, John actually clinches his jaw shut and blinks 3-4 times as if to stop himself from attacking. It’s really funny to watch, check it out sometime. He’s holding off until after the convention. Then he can really let the shit fly. I remember him on the Daily Show when Jon Stewart (they’re friends, I’m told). When McCain actually started to get pissed and JS disarmed him in usual Stewart style (charm and graciousness). I really don’t think having an agressive temper is a bad thing if you develop the ability to control it. Better than being passive/agressive like Barky. That shit drives me nuts.
I have no sympathy for the left-progressive Dems/Independents.
There is a reason why we evaluate candidates on truthfulness. Rezko….4 hours only? Ayers….neighbor?
It means that candidates word is useless.
So they were foolish to imagine he agreed with them. They will live with the consequences of what they did in their zeal to destroy the Clintons.
So let me make sure I am getting this right:
Obama has to move to the policies and initiatives of the Republican Party in order to get elected, becase if he is perceived as a “progressive”, he will lose the election. Something is seriously wrong here. Progressives told us to support Obama because we would not “compromise” on core issues. Remember, it was Hillary Clinton who was claimed to be a stealth Republican. Have these people no shame? Or memories about what they were claiming only months ago?
BO either thinks he can just speak to people and they will fall swooning under his sway, or he believes common folk in places like Zanesville, OH, don’t read papers, watch TV, or peruse the net. Everyone is or is going to be aware of his incredible flip-flopping and–unless they are cultists–will not trust him one iota. Hillbillies like me will not just dismiss his associations with anti-white race-baiters, Afrocentrists, and domestic terrorists because he promises faith-based initiatives. For a candidate who supposedly has double-digit leads, he’s acting pretty desperate. Some TV commentator declared that he was assured that he would win Colorado by someone who should know–Bill Clinton! This was in that famous phone conversation, by the way. I was immediately reminded of the serpent that told Eve everything would be fine–just go ahead and eat the forbidden fruit! A big thumbs up to you, Bill!
BO will say or do anything to get elected. He has the spine of a worm. Hell No, No BO.
HRC2012
Does anyone have a clue to how all these promises are going to be paid for?
Jesse Helms just kicked the bucket-btw
In large part, Obama says stopping the Iraq war will provide funds. But that’s a dodge. There will be lots of expenditure associated with that (you don’t stop things like that on a dime) and lots of it is borrowed money anyway.
If, as Baker suggests, Obama will pull back on his tax policies, it will be very interesting to see what kind of an economic plan he outlines – if he ever does, if it is understandable and if he actually keeps to it.
None of which is likley, IMHO.
He’ll try to rob Peter to pay Paul, as most politicians do. But who is Peter and who is Paul? Also, will he just make more unfunded mandates/programs like Bush? NCLB was never fully funded, for example. It’s easy to say you have a program, whether you fund it or not. You can still blame others if it doesn’t work out.
I get real nervous when I see politicians (of any stripe) floating over 1/2 a TRILLION in new spending ideas.
Personally I think there is no Paul. We are all Peter! We are all going to get robbed and America gets zero anything done. Politics as usual from the candidate of change. The only change here is that Obama sympathizes with bad guys and the terrorist organizations will be the benficiaries.
The only way BO has ever done it. On the backs of the poor and “working class”.
like his supporters sayh he will lie to get votes, but he will hold his policies of taxing once he gets in, he wants to destroy this country and so do the dems who put him there…when will people wake up?
I also have to say are the American people not reading between the lines with Obama. He keeps telling us to SACRIFICE, but we are too worry about all these other nations….NO THANKS……..COUNTRY FIRST, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST, MCCAIN, AND FOR me a straight Republican ticket. I have had it with the leaders in the Dems. I am SICK of the do nothing congress and will not vote for anyone who endorsed Obama because they have not put OUR COUNTRY FIRST
Everybody talks about the current split in the democratic party. Nobody ever talks about the fundamental division of the republican party. It’s a different sort of division.
On the one side you’ve got mainstream republican voters. These are people who place great emphasis on traditional American values and virtues. They admire hard work, self-reliance, honesty, financial responsibility, personal integrity. They tend to be religious and place much emphasis on patriotism. All of those things are wrapped together under the banner of Conservativism–with the flag of the nation being the banner, and with Conservativism actually being about a desire to conserve what is most valued.
On the other side you’ve got the republican politicians and the republicanism they actually practice. They make their pitches to republican voters by talking the talk, but behind the scenes they serve wealth and power, and their practices often produce results that fly in the face of the actual values of true conservativism. Thus we’ve witnessed America attack and occupy a nation that hadn’t attacked us and wasn’t capable of doing so, with the path to the war paved with a deliberate campaign of lies and deceptions on the part of the president and his administration; we’ve seen untold billions of dollars redistributed to the wealthiest people in the nation through a grossly inequitable tax-cut scheme, while our government has paid for that same war by borrowing indescriminantly from foreign sources, doubling the national debt to over $9 1/2 trillion in a mere 7 1/2 years; we’ve seen regulatory agencies systematically disempowered, to the point where we’re now reliant on the very nations who send us tainted foods, bogus medication, and dangerous products to inspect them for quality and safety; we’ve seen defense contractors overcharging the taxpayers for supplies for our troops on a monumental scale. Billions of U.S. dollars in Iraq have simply vanished and can’t be accounted for. At home we’ve seen the Katrina debacle, that revealed much about Homeland Security and FEMA. (If these guys can respond to a natural disaster with 5 days advance warning, how would they perform with an unexpected terrorist attack?) Remember the parking lots filled with unused, falling-apart FEMA mobile homes? The ones that were used, that turned out to be toxic environments? The estimated billion dollars directly lost to disaster relief fraud? What about border security? How many years have passed since 9/11? After all that time, after all the republicans have made of terrorism, “border security” remains a joke. One thing they have accomplished is to make it a lot harder for American citizens to reenter their own country. Soon I’ll need an American passport to get back home from a day trip to Canada. That certainly makes me feel safer.
All of these things should be direct affronts to true conservative sensibilites. You’d think that good, honest republican citizens would realize that they’ve been had. No doubt some do. That’s probably what accounts for George W. Bush’s current 28% approval rating. But it’s a serious mistake to blame all of this on George W. Bush. George is just the current figurehead. What you’re actually seeing is the enormous difference between what republican politicians say and do. Conservative politicians may talk the conservative talk, but they walk the republican walk.
Do McCain’s policies not seem remarkably like the policies of George W. Bush? There is that 95% allignment of McCain’s voting record with Bush policy. You might want to think of John McCain as a moderate conservative. That’s certainly the sales pitch. But don’t miss the obvious truth that he’s part of the same republican machinery that put us where we are today.
McCain isn’t the only choice. Hillary should be on the roll call at the convention. It’s not over.
Go to the Denver group and check out what they’re doing.
JUST SAY NO DEAL TO OBAMA. Obama is deceitful, a hypocrite and a liar – just in case you didn’t get the message. A hopey-changey-snake charmer.
NOBAMA!
GO Hillary!
GO PUMAs
The problem with that is I just don’t believe it. I’m old enough and wise enough to be a good judge of character. I know unwarranted praise when I see it. I also know a smear campaign when I see one.
John McCain is a good man. I don’t like his political positions. Barack Obama is also a good man. He’s one of the most promising young leaders to come along in years. His positions I do like.
People should be ashamed of some of the things they’ve said about Barack and Michelle Obama here. They’re vilifying a husband and wife who love each other and are totally devoted to their two young daughters. They’re vilifying a man who means well for his country, and who has been consistently respectful of his opponents. They’re also vilifying everyone who doesn’t happen to share their opinions.
That makes it all very personal. It’s sure not the way you win anyone over to your side of an argument. It’s the way you harden divisions, and attract hateful people.
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