Obama and the Evangelicals, The Saga Continues
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on July 5, 2008 at 12:20 PM in Abortion, Barack Obama, Islam, Muslim, Religion, Superdelegates
The Seattle Times the other day published an article, “How Obama Is Courting The New Evangelicals,” by David Domke, a journalism professor at the University of Washington in Spokane. The article is in response to James Dobson’s recent commentaries about Obama and his pandering to Evangelicals, as well as Obama’s out-doing Bush on spending more of our taxpaying dollars on Faith Initiatives, and giving the religious organizations more latitude in hiring/firing. (I wrote about this a few days ago, both the pandering part, and James Dobson’s response to it, “Yet Another Connection,” and “Winning Hearts and Minds.”)
Only this particular article is a tad slanted in defense of Obama, his strong Christian faith, and his ability to connect with Evangelicals. Oh, and while the author’s tagline mentions where he teaches, it does not mention that he also writes for Daily Kos. Yep, you got it - he sure enough does. Just to set the stage for you.
Prior to this article, he wrote one with Kevin Coe about Obama, “For Barack Obama, Campaign 2008 Has Been A Series Of Absurd But Consequential Tests.” One of those tests, of course, was his religious preference. Domke mentioned in the article above that 10% of Americans think Obama is Muslim. Now, see, whether he is a Muslim or not means nothing to me. Islam is one of the largest, if not THE largest, religious faiths on the face of the planet. It is a religion based on both Judaism and Christianity, and as such, is a peace loving religion, as much as Christianity is supposed to be. And, Muhammad, the founder of Islam, had daughters, no sons, and was VERY supportive of them. He would never recognize what has happened to Islam by the fringe elements, as much as Jesus would not recognize what Christianity has become by ITS fringe elements. That is all to say, it is just as damaging to think that all Christians are like Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or Jimmy Swaggert as it is to think that all Muslims are like Osama bin Laden. They are not. Many are quite moderate in their beliefs. Just to be clear. And frankly, I think that one’s religious faith should be PRIVATE, and not fodder for political discussion. But this is one of the ways the Christian Right has asserted its influence - making religion a litmus test. But I digress…
Mr. Domke only seems to focus on OBAMA’S “tests,” yet fails to acknowledge that Hillary Clinton has received similar scrutiny. In another article, “Hillary Clinton’s Christianity,” which states:
Some say Hillary Clinton may help the Democrats reach out to Christian voters like no Democrat since Jimmy Carter.Fair or not, the Democratic Party has not fared well with self-professed Christian voters in the last several presidential election cycles. One of the reasons, says Michael Gerson in The Washington Post, is that recent Democrat leaders have either been frankly secular or “so uncomfortable with religious language that, were the sound on the television switched off, you’d think they were admitting a sexual vice instead of affirming their deepest beliefs.”
But another article, “Hillary Clinton’s Faith: Another Methodist in the White House?”
Mrs. Clinton’s references to faith, though, have come under attack, both from conservatives who doubt her sincerity (one writer recently lumped her with the type of Christians who “believe in everything but God”) and liberals who object to any injection of religion into politics. And her motivations have been cast as political calculation by detractors, who suggest she is only trying to moderate her liberal image.
So, it isn’t like she has not had to deal with issues of her faith, too, not always positively, but as we all know, it is all about Obama!!
Anywho, Mr. Domke asserts that there is now a splintering of the Evangelical Movement now, that it is not a cohesive voting bloc any longer. One piece of evidence he presents is the case of the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, George W. Bush’s BFF, a huge supporter of Bush’s, and the presiding minister at Jenna Bush’s recent wedding. Well, now, Caldwell supports Obama. No, I am not kidding. And that should tell you something RIGHT there. One of Bush’s CLOSEST associates is now supporting Barack Obama. Caldwell, in response to the whole James Dobson business has started a website in defense of Obama, www.jamesdobsondoesnotspeakforme.com Okay. So James Dobson does not speak for the entire Evangelical Movement. I can counter that one - Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Patrick Leahy, Chris Dodd, et al, do not speak for ME, either. So, I’ll give him that. Domke states:
Dobson’s words were the kind of critique that in recent elections have made leading Democrats cower and prompted other religious conservatives to fall in line behind the Republican Party presidential candidate, in this case John McCain.Not this year. And depending on what happens in 2008, perhaps not ever again.
His support for making such a claim? Well, it’s a few things, but you know what it is mainly,
“It’s a combination of changing outlooks among evangelical leadership and some important political moves by Obama.”
Oh, yeah - that’s what it is - Obama is doing all the right things to convince these people that he is not pandering to them, lying to them, or saying whatever they want to hear to vote for them. He is being helped along with this new mission by people like Rick Warren, “
the nation’s über-evangelical and author of The Purpose-Driven Life, the highest-selling nonfiction book in the nation’s publishing history, and Leith Anderson, head of the National Association of Evangelicals, both want to keep political parties — including the Republicans — at arm’s distance….(Warren) invited Barack Obama to speak at his Southern California church at an AIDS summit. Warren took a lot of heat from some evangelicals for inviting the pro-choice Obama but did not back down. It was a turning point moment for faith and politics — and a crucial step in Obama’s outreach to religious voters.In 2004, Warren decreed that five issues — opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, cloning, euthanasia, and research on stem cells — should drive the voting decisions of Christians, an outlook that firmly aligned him with the Republican Party. But Warren’s political world view had been expanding ever since.”
Wow - I can sure see how those top five would endear Obama to LIBERAL voters, cough, cough. But hey - all of those liberals he has been throwing under the bus might have known something was going on if they paid attention to him hanging out with people like Warren. According to Domke, “
the Christian Obama often espouses a religiously infused message of hope and transformation. Indeed, he’s offering more than words: His campaign has embarked on a massive political crusade to persuade religious Americans that Obama is their candidate
.”
A political crusade. Oh, great - that is JUST what the country needs. Another crusade. Seriously - have we not had enough of this kind of crap from Bush for the past 7 1/2 years?? I really do not get it. Oh, but wait, there’s more!
The New York Times reported Tuesday that “Between now and November, the Obama forces are planning as many as 1,000 house parties and dozens of Christian rock concerts, gatherings of religious leaders, campus visits and telephone conference calls to bring together voters of all ages motivated by their faith to engage in politics.”And Obama just raised the stakes Tuesday, with a high-profile speech on faith in Zanesville, Ohio, a battleground area in a key Midwestern state — indeed, one that some evidence suggests George W. Bush won in 2004 in part based on heavy turnout tied to an anti-gay-marriage state initiative.
Oh, Holy Cow. So, Obama really IS the second coming of Bush then! And that should give pause to EVERYONE, liberals and conservatives alike. How can anyone trust someone who has attended a church like TUCC for over 20 years, then all of a sudden acts like he is a Born Again Christian?? For progressives, just bear in mind, it was a “Born Again Christian” who took this country down the primrose path that led to Iraq, poor economy, and spying on our citizenry, to name a very few.
But there is yet another pander to the Religious Right (which I contend is neither religious OR right), and that is on the issue of abortion. Yes, the man NARAL endorsed over Hillary Clinton, a long-time stalwart supporter of women and women’s right to choose, has now said, “”
mental distress” should not qualify as a justification for late-term abortions, a key distinction not embraced by many supporters of abortion rights.”
Oh, no he DIDN’T! Oh yes, yes he did. The following article says it all, “Obama: Mental Distress Can’t Justify Late Abortion” The opening paragraph states that:
In an interview this week with “Relevant,” a Christian magazine, Obama said prohibitions on late-term abortions must contain “a strict, well defined exception for the health of the mother.”
So, NARAL - how do you like THEM apples?? This is the person you chose to endorse?? While I am not going to go completely in-depth on this piece because it deserves attention in its own right, it is indicative of just how far Obama will go to say whatever, do whatever, be whoever, the audience wants at that moment. And see, this is the whole problem with Obama - he is a chameleon - he changes for whatever group he is addressing. He does not demonstrate ANY core values or policies or integrity. And this is why picking someone who has essentially NO record, based on a speech he may (or may not) have given 6 years ago, to a SELECT audience, as the ONLY criterion for president, is foolhardy at best. At worst, to pick a candidate because one thinks he is cool or because of his skin color is negligent, ignorant, immature, and slack. It is potentially criminal in the way he got pushed to the forefront by party insiders(I am pretty sure voter fraud, intimidation, manipulation, and theft are against the law - can I get a witness?), and the fawning by the media sure didn’t help. But citizens are required to do their homework to make good choices, and too many people took an American Idol mentality into the voting booth. So, really, they deserve what they get. But WE don’t deserve this. And women who need late-term abortions as a result of mental distress don’t deserve this. He had the audacity to say, “
Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term
.”
Well, gee willikers, Obama, aren’t you the very same guy who said that we progressives who are pro-choice do not understand what a difficult decision having an abortion is for a woman? We do, believe you me - we do. We know that it is painful and angst-ridden. We are not pro-abortion, but pro-CHOICE, knowing full well how painful this is. But you do not think that the mental distress the WOMAN feels is one and the same with her HEALTH?? The two are inseparable - her mental condition and her physical health. So, WHO is it who does not understand how hard this is for the pregnant woman?? Huh - come to think of it, just last year, YOU claimed to understand it:
“Last year, after the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on late-term abortions, Obama said he “strongly disagreed” with the ruling because it “dramatically departs form previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women.”
Just more pandering to the Right. Just moving farther and farther to the right. I, for one, am not the least bit surprised by this from Obama. His Faith Based Initiatives, his change on FISA, his reframed Christianity, all designed to pander, pander, pander. What a guy.
So, SuperD’s - how does it feel to be you NOW?? You still have time to reverse your incredibly poor, stupid, superficial decision to support this empty suit. No, wait, that is an insult to suits. He is worse than that. He is a mealy-mouthed, arrogant, sanctimonious, sexist, elitist, with only HIS best interests at heart. He doesn’t give a damn about the American people, and our daily struggles. He cares about cutting corners, and getting himself into the highest job in the world with a minimum of effort. Once there, should he succeed, there is no telling what hole down which he will take this country. I don’t want to wait for that myself, and I hope the SuperDelegates and other delegates get the intestinal fortitude to finally do the right thing, to do what they SHOULD have done long ago - jettison this guy, and support the best candidate for the job. There is still time…
(small, medium and large sizes; for both dogs and cats)
+ 
…yes… preferably over the ocean.
Worst. Candidate. EVER.
You’re a racist.
At what point in his three word comment did Mr. Logan mention race?
Gee. It only took three minutes …
roflmao!
I trust that was snark.
Otherwise not so funny.
If it WAS meant as snark, it’s actually pretty funny.
But in seriousness, the Times of London poses the question, “Are Americans too racist to vote for Barack Obama?” and, for the most part, gets blasted in the feedback.
I sense that people are getting well and truly tired of having legitimate grievances with The Selected One–especially his inexperience–habitually labelled as racist.
What a divisive force the supposedly “post-racial” Obama has turned out to be.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2008/07/are-americans-t.html
Ha ha… commie.
Obama campaign spokesman Jen Psaki said the Democratic nominee-in-waiting and Clinton will hold three fundraisers. Two events are scheduled for Wednesday night — one to raise money for his general election campaign and one to help pay off debts from her primary campaign. A third fundraiser, for Obama, is a breakfast Thursday morning with women donors that Clinton, a New York senator, will attend.
The fundraisers will be the first joint appearances by the former foes since their lovefest in Unity, N.H., on June 27.
That might be relevant except that Obama’s numbers have fallen since the last Clinton/Obama joint appearance. Apparently the “Unity” thing isn’t working. Evidently the more Hillary supports Obama the more alienated the base gets.
They can raise money. They can’t force people to vote for or like Obama.
Hillary is doing a very good job. Who would have guessed? (I did.)
Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He hides behind the cross while his preacher damns America.
NOBAMA. Obama is a retard.
The word RETARD is not acceptible here. It is offensive. Please stop it and find a better word.
I’ve always been partial to fk-tard
Anything so long as it is not associated with individuals who are mentally challenged. They don’t deserve to be ridiculed and certainly don’t deserve ANY ASSOCIATION with Obama.
agreed
Mencia does a good song
he calls politicals like that
“dee, dee, dees”
it’s hilarious
I’m not fond of people dissing any group especially when they can’t defend themselves.
fk-tron is a good one.
good one - is specific to obamatrons
lol
This is a VERY concerning in the ‘take-over’ of the DNC by a failed and inept megalomaniac. Corruption, power, control and greed… all orchestrated on a well timed slogan of “change”. This is not the change we need. The train of propoganda by the MSM, et al, is even more frightening as obama could not accomplish his coup without their support. This is so 1930s germany and stalin-esk. I think we, as Americans have a very serious issue on our hands.
I think if you read this piece by DONNA BRAZILE, you will see that the DNC wanted to get the votes of the Church folks from the start. This was written on NOV. 5, 2004, just days after BUSH won Re-Election, it’s called “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328
There are too many self-important jerkoffs like dean, pelosi, moveon, kos, huff&puff who have screwed up royally in backing obama but who are now too embarrased by their lack of due diligence in racing to back obama, to hope that the supers will think again. We had better prepare for another 20 years in the wilderness of bush-like fascism. What should we hope for, some magical savior who somehow manages to purge this country of the rightwing rot that is emerging? obama shows he will foster the rot, not be the savior.
Same tactic as Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology. Marxists Masquerading as religion or Religious people in order to attract the ‘naive masses’.
As for Hillary having to negotiate with lawyers for her role in the convention (I read this, but for the sake of the Democratic Party hope it isn’t true). She has to be on the first ballot. I received this email:
“Historically, what has happened at the Democratic Conventions is:
In the last 10 Democratic Conventions (1968-2004) one was uncontested (Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-nomination). Of the remaining nine - even though the ultimate nominee in every case had a clear majority of delegates well before the Convention - in SEVEN of the nine, the names of the other contenders were placed in nomination and voted on at the Convention. The only times this didn’t happen were in 2000 and 2004 (although in 2004 Rep. Kucinich still received some votes on the roll call).
This year we need to make it known that we want Hillary’s name to be placed in nomination. We believe that if this does not happen it will disenfranchise a great many Hillary supporters that we need in order to take back the White House in November.
Example of an email that I [the person sending the email to me] received:
I just heard on MSNBC (Fineman-Newsweek) that the Clinton camp as been negotiating for Hillary name to be put into nomination at the convention, that Obama doesn’t want to waste the time, and that he hears that she will not be nominated. Do you know where this stands? If this is true, it is a deal breaker for me.
It is my understanding that this will be decided between Hillary and Obama’s campaigns. We do not know what is happening behind the scenes but we do know that we are united in our belief that 18 million people voted for Hillary, that hers was an historic campaign, that her delegate votes need to be counted for the record, and therefore her name should be placed in nomination. Hillary delegates want to do what they were elected to do and vote for Hillary on the first roll call vote.”
I would wait and see about what will happen with the ballot process at the convention. Fineman is a deranged Hillary-hater–he was the big pusher of the meme about her response to the Do-you-think-Obama’s-a-Muslim harassment on 60 Minutes as being calculated and Nixonian–and he may just be putting this out there out of hope that she will get dissed like this in Denver. I have no doubt he’d be delighted to see it happen.
How bizarre is it that Obama values the votes of conservative Christians more than those of Hillary supporters? While the media applauds McCain’s courting of his right wing base they admire Obama’s dissing of his own base to court swing voters and Republicans. It is not like Obama is soundly beating McCain with Democrats as the previous post points out. He just takes it for granted that we will all vote for him in the end. It seems to me he faces same kind of risk with his base as McCain does with the right but somehow it is only the right wingers who are considered important to court, leaving those of us who are left of center out in the cold. Again.
So what is it, NQ-ers? Is Obama not close enough to left for you or too far left? You seem awfully confused!
Quite frankly, it doesn’t matter where he “stands” since it will change in a few minutes anyway. And that’s part of the problem. Well, along with the whole disrespect and disenfranchisement stuff.
You see Believe, the problem is no one knows where Obama is on the issues. It would appear he is either left or right depending on who he is addressing. I would like to know if I’m voting for a Repub or a Democrat.
People seem to always think that the opposite of ‘right’ must be always be ‘left’. In Obama’s case, it leans more toward ‘wrong’.
No it’s that Obama has gone to the right on Democratic, liberal, and progressive issues he claimed he was for.
You supported him as a champion of the Left. Now he’s championing Right Wing causes. How do explain that Lucy?
Or is that too hard for you to understand?
That’s “how do you explain that Lucy”?
He doesn’t believe in anything at all, except himself. We’ve always been very clear about that.
I remember a NY Times magazine cover with Hillary Clinton dressed in all white and the article talking about the importance of faith to her.
Bill Clinton and she both supported funding for some activities done by faith organizations.
You seem to have a double standard.
believe…
Try reading the WHOLE book and not just looking at the pictures… (but then that is assuming you have any comprehensional skills… ach! nevermind)
It wasn’t a book and I referred to what the article discussed.
In any case, you don’t have to go back that far. How about just this spring:
CLINTON: You know, in my Judeo-Christian faith tradition, in both the Old and the New Testament, the incredible demands that God places on us and that the prophets ask of us, and that Christ called us to respond to on behalf of the poor are unavoidable.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/13/se.01.html
Hillary was not calling for government funding of religious charities here. This is consistent with her entire life’s work and her book It Takes a Village.
Believe…what do you think you will achieve with your vague references to some NY Times magazine article. You know you’re as bad as Obama. I mean Really, your not dealing with a bunch of 18 year olds here. Geez!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C57fb_sZdfw
You really think anyone cares that Obama mixed up Buchenwald and Auschwitz in telling that story? They were both places where many, many Jews died. Buchenwald, which Obama’s relative liberated was the place Eisenhower went to see so that he could bear witness to the Holocaust.
It’s just a pattern of disbelief that is growing with his candidacy.
No one seems to care whether it was an uncle in the navy, either. “Yeah, Jews died in all kinds of places… ” I’d like to punch you in the cunt, you sour old bitch.
Ouch! That word! I really don’t think it was totally necessary … even when you are angry … I totally get it. Try minimizing slavery and you are racists, but hey, it’s “only” someone elses’ history, right?
“believe” claims she is a 50YO woman, so sexism is not an issue for her. apparently believe feels they get a free pass on antisemitism, too. that was one of Obama’s stupider mistakes and just showed poor taste. it was up there with his Selma lie.
well maybe senility has come early to believe…
Of course I care about sexism. I’m a lifelong feminist. But Obama did not say anything sexist about Hillary.
She lost two-thirds of the nomination contests. Two-thirds.
Her campaign was run by incompetents.
But you come up with the strangest, most convoluted attacks against Obama.
No, it’s my family’s history. I have lots of relatives who died in the Holocaust.
excuses, excuses!!!!!!!!
He had no relative liberating anyone. All the Charles Paynes listed in the Kansas vet archives were stationed in the Pacific Ocean, as sailors.
That’s quite an argument coming from the Axelrove Talking Points that criticize Clinton for embellishing her Bosnia story. At least there were snipers in Bosnia. There weren’t Americans liberating Auschwitz.
An yes, “Words matter” when it comes to sensitive issues (ie: places where atrocities occurred). I’ve listened to Obamatots spew about the Bosnia story for months now, but you want to hold The Precious to a different (more forgiving) standard.
Own your candidate, you weasel! (No offense to weasels intended.)
none taken
It’s totally different to mix up something an elderly relative did with an experience you had yourself.
As for the person who called me a horrible name, are you one of those who claim that Obama supporters are just so mean?
Nice try, but I don’t think so. Not when you’re an Arab running for POTUS.
And if that is the case, along with all his other “mistakes”, are you suggesting we need to start questioning his mental competency?
Has the great Philosopher, Psychologist and now Preacher, too, been Baptized? Where? When? and who has the Pictures?
I am not buying into that Muslim theory, one bit. (He once was by his Kenyan nationality, but he ain’t now). However, in order to be saved, a Christian needs to be baptized.
I cannot see how he can stand at a podium pretending it to be a pulpit and not be Baptized.
Oh, maybe it was on that day long ago in the Jordan.
No, I don’t call Obama supporters “mean.” His surrogates and campaign staff are despicable. I think he himself is smarmy and unqualified for the presidency… not to mention sexist. I have noticed most of his supporters show borderline personality disorder traits characteristic of most cult members. And I think it’s strange a so-called feminist and 50YO woman would go out of their way to attack the most viable female presidential candidate in American history and her supporters, denying sexism from the Obama campaign as well as his telling dismissal of the misogyny among the press. And now believe supposedly lost many family members during the Holocaust, but spoke about it cavalierly. The only thing I believe is that believe is as full of shit as Obama.
I think believe is not really a person. I think believe is a computer progam that spits out automated responses that are preprogrammed for certain combinations of trigger words. Believe often will feign confusion when certain words, often articles in speech are used. Believe needs more clairifcation as in “that does not compute”. Believe then automatically spits out a clarifying question so that believe can answer according to its program.
We demand reparations!
The Weasels
For me New Mexico had nothing to do with his uncle. It was the fact he didn’t even know what Memorial Day is. Veteran’s Day is the day we honor our soldiers. Memorial Day is the day we honor those that have fallen. That he stood up there and said I see many of you in the audience showed me he has no respect for the Military whatsoever. Those that have served/are serving or he would have at least taken the time to find out exactly what Memorial Day is.
Or are you going to sit there and tell us he saw dead people in the audience? Now you may never have served, so it probably doesn’t bother you. But, there are millions of us that have served and we don’t find things like that amusing, especially in those that wish to be the Commander in Chief of our troops.
There are also millions of us that have had family members die in wartime. I’ve lost relatives in this war.
No one has ever asked to go to any war. But there are some that have seen a need to protect something greater than themselves. Their country. Their fellow Americans. This country and all her citizens are our home. We should protect her the same as we would the home we live in, because without her there is no home to sleep in or protect.
You folks love double standards, don’t you? Everyone mixes things up, uses the incorrect referent, yet you interpret such things in horrid ways when it’s Obama and yet when others do the very same thing, it’s just fine.
You don’t mix up those who have served and those who have died. Then claim you want to be the Commander in Chief of those same people. Or please feel free to point to one other person that was running for president who had no idea what the difference was? I’ll be waiting….tick….tick…tick
believe,
Are you one of the $7/hr. Obama trolls who does not get health, retirement, or other benefits, while Obama is collecting a hugh government salary, with taxpayer perks, and his campaign consultants are making millions?
Or, are you just naive?
Has someone else been making the freshman mistakes Obama has?
I think your team has the double standard, Believe. We have dozens of Obamabots here every day shoving anything and everything down our throats regarding Hillary Clinton. Now that it’s about you owning your candidate, you want to change the rules and be polite.
I do, however, agree that calling you that name was obnoxious and sexist and I apologize that you had to endure that.
Whatever. It’s not sexist if believe is a 30YO male posting from Starbucks.
I don’t think you will find anyone over 8 that will say the’ve “been to 57 States so far, only a couple more to go” and the comment last year about 10,000 people dying in a tornado in Ohio. Obama didn’t grow up in America, doesn’t know about the States, the people living there or how to Bowl.
It’s a funny thing, but Americans do like their Presidents to know history, and not lie about their family members roles in it. We’re finicky that way. Like cats. Like, PUMAs!
My local paper in Ohio had a letter from a reader chastising Dobson for using the “old testament” too much …. She said that he should relate more to the New Testament and then cited the adage “people who live in glass houses ….” For the life of me, I can’t remember any reference to glass any where in my old Biblical studies.
The book “The Faith Club” is about as good as it gets when you try to understand the differences among Judaism, Islam and Christianity. If you haven’t read this story written jointly by three women who came together after 9/11, I can’t recommend it highly enough.
What is so blantantly obvious to me, and has been for MANY months, is there is no ‘country’ in his mind… It is ALL about himself. Always has been. All he is concerned about about is the title and after that I imagine he will just sit in the WH and do lines of coke, MO will wag her finger at anyone who questions them, and all hell will break loose in the Middle East, and we proceed to fall deeper and deeper into our ecomonic depression.
The man is CLUELESS
Then it’s amazing that he WON two-thirds of all the nomination contests. He must have amazing powers to get all those folks to vote for him in two-thirds of the states and territories!!!
Maybe Obama is the antichrist.
nah I figure if he was he probably would have convinced me by now as I’m not a “hard walkin-talkin-living Christian” and those are the only ones that are supposed to recognize the FRAUD in the 666.
From what I’ve read and was taught many decades back. Back in the daze. lol
I don’t remember anything in the story (there’s no mention of the “antichrist” in the Bible) about intelligent people not being able to recognize him, Dawnelle, so don’t discount the concept.
Ironically, the book of Revelations does refer to the four horsemen of the apocalypse and today I read a blog that referred to them as Obama, Dean, Reid and Pelosi.
I think they meant horses asses (:
Wahahahahahah
LOL giddy yup!
Hillary won 9 out of the 10 biggest states and most of the difficult swing states.
What’s your point disbelief?
Obama won the caucuses with 3% of the vote by utilizing Brownshirt tactics.
You can become the selected nominee but that doesn’t mean you’ll win in November.
Especially now that he is for the Iraq war
Ha,Ha!
That’s altogether absurd. The vast majority of caucus states had NO complaints lodged against what happened in the caucuses.
And he’s NOT for the Iraq war. He never said that. You folks are like like Karl Rove; you oversimplify and come up with a fake narrative and then continue to present it. It is intellectually bankrupt.
My wife and I saw the same tactics at the caucus we attended.It seemed very canned how when she got up to speak they all booed her in unison.
I was so disgusted as I’m the one that got her involved in politics and for her to have such a negative experience the first time out was hard to stomach.
Later, I got up and gave them a piece of my mind and warned them about the unvetted candidate, empty suit national security risk that they were slothing over.
I have since talked to a koolaid Obamabot that attended and she told me that she was saddened that Hillary didn’t get the nomination.
Stupid Obamabots!!!
Actually, Karl Rove has been giving Obama advise. Do your homework. Or, is this information not in the script provided by Obama’s campaign for trolls?
Hey, here’s an article I bet the Obama campaign script doesn’t discuss. It’s about the GOP’s involvement in marketing Obama.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
Caucuses mean anything to you believe in nonsense?
Well, a good chunk of those “two-thirds of the states and territories” came from CAUCUSES where no one actually, you know, VOTED.
Texas, for instance, which had both a primary ELECTION (with VOTERS) and a caucus, had more than 2.8 MILLION people going to the voting booths (whether literal or proverbial) compared to approximately 300,000 people participating in the caucus. (I say approximately because no one has ever released an accurate count of participation.)
Furthermore, what most people don’t understand about the caucuses is that EVERY SINGLE CAUCUS that got all the “election day” news coverage was only the FIRST STEP in the final delegate selection process. In the Texas case, the primary (which awarded 126 of the 227 delegates) was held on March 4, along with the FIRST STEP of the caucus; this first step (which got ALL the news interest) was ONLY responsible for selecting delegates to the county and senate district convention (after 3 days, only 41% of the precincts had fully reported with less than 43,000 “votes” being “cast”). On March 29, the SECOND STEP of the caucus was held, in which the delegates selected on March 4 then turned around to choose delegates for the State Convention (after a little over a week, an ESTIMATE reported just over 7100 delegates had participated). At this point NOT ONE SINGLE DELEGATE had actually been awarded as a result of the Texas caucus. Finally, on June 7-8, the Statewide convention was held, with ONLY 7232 QUALIFIED delegates making the decision on how to split 67 delegates for the National Convention. Read that again and compare to the PRIMARY figure.
2.8 MILLION VOTERS in the primary selected 126 delegates to the National Convention. (22,000 people/delegate)
7232 people attending a State Convention selected 67 delegates to the National Convetion. (108 people/delegate)
In addition, there are offically 34 “unpledged” delegates to the National Convention.
But, how much about these last two caucuses made the network news? Almost nothing. The networks, in their election “coverage” awarded Obama the “winner” status based SOLELY on the first round of caucuses.
And that little fiction about Iowa being the “first in the nation”? Yes. Its caucus is first but did you know that NOT ONE DELEGATE is actually selected there? That’s true. It wasn’t until APRIL 26, that the first actual delegates were chosen. (Of the reported 239000 people participating in the January caucus, in the end the state’s 57 delegates to Denver will have been selected by only 2500 people–a little over 1% of that January number. But, did the news media inform the world of this? Hell, no.)
And Obama got MORE delegates out of the Iowa process than originally awarded because Edwards delegates backed him.
HRC and BC and Ickes never challenged the process beforehand. They agreed to those rules and in fact helped craft them.
Texas Darling has a well-substantiated blog entry about cheating in the Texas caucuses, the most widely reported account of dirty pool from Obama.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/texas-caucus-fraud/
It’s called lying, cheating and stealing.
And he talks about the needs of the country all the time, presenting policy positions and ideas that many find quite compelling.
Check out the great coverage Obama got from the red state of Montana –
http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2008/07/05/butte_top/20080705_butte_top.txt
Suckers. Don’t they know getting out of Iraq was never Obama’s plan?
Obama has been running on that anti-war speech since 2002.
This has been the great cause of all Obamabots.
Obama can’t run away from his position on the subject.
People remember that McCain was for the surge when nobody else was ,that he was critical of not having enough troops in the beginning.
McCain is about ‘No Surrender’ and not wavering to popular opinion polls.
That is what you call a real leader.
Obama will lose in November based on his flip flop on Iraq
words just words… WORDS JUST WORDS… WORDS… oh.. I just said that, but I want to come back and say what I really mean…. uhhh uhhh
(snicker) uhh umm ugh I’m Dun(ham)
Believe, You grasp at anything. Come on join us…We’ll give you an Obotomy
I think she’s already had one
Great coverage!!!
Some fans denied entrance to picnic
Some people who had tickets for the Barack Obama picnic Friday say they were turned away by security and not allowed to enter the event.
Still, those who said they were turned away say they were very upset.
“We’re going to vote for McCain now,” Coleman said, referring to Obama’s Republican opponent.
Heatherlynn Meeks said it was “very frustrating” to be denied access to the picnic. Meeks said she, too, wasn’t given an explanation for being turned away at the entrance to the campus.
“Needless to say, his (Obama’s) public relations people aren’t doing him any favors,” Meeks said.
http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2008/07/05/butte/hjjbjcjejchaeh.txt
Believe, Isn’today “PAY DAY” FOR THE OBAMA BLOGGERS. You have been a busy Beaver today
Obama will stay in Iraq?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deM9TcN94VE
Ya know, I’m getting quite fond of Major Garret. He’s just so “professional” it’s refreshing.
I am pleasantly surprised to have discovered him since viewing FOX recently.
See, there are silver linings everywhere!
I was so against Fox for so many years that I would only watch snippets of their shows on News hounds,Crooks and Liars and buzzflash. After I began to see the blatant bias towards Hillary I eliminated all those sites and began watching Fox with zeal.
I also enjoy now patriot 144 on Sirius radio and enjoy Hannity and O’Reilly.
What we are seeing is a realignment in politics.
The republicans are moving to the center and welcoming the Clinton wing and becoming the party of equal opportunity,respect for all people and against sexism towards women.
I have to chuckle when I see O’Reilly. He comes across as my Dad looking out for my best interests. The fact that most of his guests are women shows the extent of this realignment.
didn’t he have a sex problem?? with a loofa and some assistant? lol
also big time anger management problems?
I enjoy Sean sometimes. Ok I admit it. When he’s being humble and NOT typically hateful by generalizing all DEMS. Or any other group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2d0Afe7ic
When I read Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell is endorsing Obama and recall that most of Obama’s early fundraising came from Bush’s top bundlers, then read about these rock concerts and Christian rallies, I had flashbacks to 41.
sorry for the OT. You want to fly, show your ID. Want to check out a book at the library, show your ID. Want to run for POTUS, show your f**kin’ birth certificate, it’s that simple.
http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/
I’ve read a theory that the REAL certificate is being kept from public view because it will say his real name is Barack (or Barry) Hussein Muhammed “Dunham”
since his father was already married to someone ELSE and never legally adopted him.
Dawnelle…In muslim law,men can married 4 wife but it also depend on each individual country to recognized it.So since Im immigrant here,I doesnt know how US laws and Africa laws on that issues.Was it recognized then??
maybe he should be president of that country since the US doesn’t allow poligamy (sp)(or give it legal status)
nor should it (jmo)
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm
To me, this is the scariest part of the whole Obama CULT. The insidious infiltration of Politics into Religion, masquerading as the familiar religious influence in politics we have all become way too accustomed to.
My God, I am soon going to have to make myself a friggin’ tin foil hat! Try to think of a institution Nobama has not taken over or manipulated: Colleges, Entertainment, Media, Finances, the Democratic Party, now Religion.
What’s next? Oh yeah he is taking the show on the road with his world tour.
Someone pass the tin foil please!
Its the ‘Play Station / X-Box generation… Its all a game to them. They haven’t any ability to think on their own. That is why the denial is so strong… They just can’t comprehend reality!
I must admit while scanning various news shows they seem consistent in one regard and THAT is THAT BARRY will be the next President because Republicans screwed up the brand soooooo badly there is no recoup before Nov.
(this is what I have ingested from them all)
They are ALL agreeing on that.
I do NOT agree
but THEY all seem to be reading off the same script. Maybe not all intentionally just out of pain of a long drawn out election………
I’m about sick of politics myself
but too addicted at this point
They are part of the PROPOGANDA MACHINE. Usually the louded they scream something, you can count that it is excatly the opposite. Trust me… they are nervous. They just won’t say it. And just wait till after Aug and the GOP releases THEIR dogs!
They are part of the PROPOGANDA MACHINE. Usually the louder they scream something, you can count that it is excatly the opposite. Trust me… they are nervous. They just won’t say it. And just wait till after Aug and the GOP releases THEIR dogs!
I hope the GOP Propaganda Machine has to DUMP all their stuff and start OVER when
HILLARY IS OUR NOMINEE
it will be toooooooooo late to start over and the only stuff they will have will be decades old and snore worthy!!
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I WILL CHANGE BACK TO DEMOCRAT IN 09 FOR HILLARY ONLY!!
When have the Republicans ever announced that they were toast? Quietly skulk in the corner, yes. Admit they screwed up? Uh uh. This is a script. A Karl Rove script.
Trust me, I want to be wrong about this, but I smell something besides Barky’s stench in all this. And I’m sorry - I don’t believe Axelrod is smart enough to poll off a coup d’etat singlehandedly.
These people don’t like FDR and they don’t like FDR Democrats. And this is not all that dissimilar from the FDR story for those of you who are history buffs. He was nearly denied the nomination (despite overwhelming popular support) by handlers that placed a guy who was Republican a few weeks earlier in charge of the Democratic Party, and did all sorts of nasty things to keep Roosevelt from winning. Might be a story worth studying…
omg no I never knew that
LOTS to learn
too many webs spinning and roots of entanglement
8 degrees of what EVER
we NEED HILLARY as our NOMINEE
we NEED TO HAVE Some SANITY back in this COUNTRY!!
We the PEOPLE? Right?
or did that change when I wasn’t looking? W has turned this constitution upside down. Who knows.
That’s why Clinton’s the only hope we have. If anyone else wins (Obama or McCain/insert any Republican here)it’s Rove’s game again.
Pray very hard and squawk very loudy!
And the truth shall set you free… Amen!
Hall
Lay
LU
YA
Brothers & Sisters!
This is an article written in 2004. It shows how Hillary was never part of the plan
http://www.slate.com/id/2109328
Obama will continue to be all things to all people.
What scares me about this expansion of “Faith Based Outreach” is will he have the fortitude to stop the encroachment after the camel gets its nose in the tent?
His flips on campaign finance and FISA do not bode well for him being able to control a take over of government by religious radicals.
Obamessiah created new states from out of the void.
He better get them some recognized electoral college votes by November or he’s a cooked goose!
OK, so McCain doesn’t know that Al Quaeda doesn’t operate out of Iran. Where’s your rant on that?
Double standard, all the way.
Have you ever “ranted” about anything Obama has done? Didn’t think so.
Glass house? Stone throwing? Sound familiar?
Double standard, indeed.
Yeah and changes historical places and times… hey~! Maybe he is the messiah??!!
!NOT!
Hey, what’s four years in Selma among friends who won’t call him out on it?
It was a metaphor.
Indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-XG_VJZDw
Obama is not a true Christian, see this interview from 2004:
http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html
Black Liberation Theology is not Christianity, it is a marxist and humanist doctrine.
zacktly
Hey 527 out there when you are going to do and ad about Obama church and that he did not know what was being said in chuch show the pictures of him being feature on the Church magazine time and time again
Barack at Risk
No Retreat: If You Want to Win, Stop The War
Progressives for Obama
Except: Call him slippery or nuanced, Barack Obama’s core position on Iraq has always been more ambiguous than audacious. Now it is catching up with him as his latest remarks are questioned by the Republicans, the mainstream media, and the antiwar movement. He could put his candidacy at risk if his audacity continues to shrivel.
Then there came the later “clarification”:
“Let me be as clear as I can be” [not, "let me be absolutely clear"].
“I intend to end this war.” [intention only].
“My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war - responsibly, deliberately, but decisively.” [ Sounds positive, but "decisively" can mean by military threat in the worst case. And it's pure theatre, borrowed from Clinton, since the plans most likely will be drafted and finalized immediately after the November election.]
“And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one or two brigades a month…” [but what if the military commanders on the ground assert that it is too dangerous to pull out those troops?]
Obama’s position, which always left a trail of unasked questions, now plants a seed of doubt, justifiably, among the peace bloc of American voters who harbor a legacy of betrayals beginning with Lyndon Johnson’s 1064 pledge of “no wider war” through Richard Nixon’s “secret plan for peace” to Ronald Reagan’s Iran-Contra scandal and the deep complicity of Democrats in the evolution of the Iraq War.
It is difficult to understand
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
And the Big Dawg took heat for talking like a lawyer. Nobama has taken parsing words and phrases to a new art form.
thank you, rev amy, for this brilliant expose of the anointed one’s bs-ing around with women’s lives and choices. Let’s hope and pray that the SD’s read this right away!
Believe:
I see your back cutting and pasting. I hope you had a great fourth.
Now back to the question I asked you two days ago,
Is Obama’s health care plan Universal?
This link to Obama’s July 1st speech on religion is a must read.
http://www.correntewire.com/obamas_america_blesses_god
You will find this unbelievable Obama gem near the end of the speech:
“And my Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will also have a broader role – it will help set our national agenda.”
As the commentator noted: “Holy f*&$#@ shit, a religious council is going to “help set our national agenda”!”
I can only imagine what the MSM would do if Clinton or McCain dared suggest such a thing. Visions of TUCC, Wright, Farrakhan, and Father Phlegm [sic] keep coming to mind as I envision Obama’s Religious Council advisors, men whose churches and mosques will be in line to benefit greatly as the Council doles out our tax dollars to selected “faith-based programs,” whatever that might include.
Indoctrination anyone? TUCC is known for its community programs, spiced with extreme and hateful anti-American, anti-white propaganda. Shades of Hitler Youth and the Iranian Supreme Council also come to mind. Will BO have an Obamaseal created for his Religious Council too? Wake up America, before it’s too late - recognize megalomania when you see it and rise up to protect your country from this NPD megalomanic:
“Megalomania is an unrealistic belief in one’s superiority, grandiose abilities, and even omnipotence. It is characterized by a need for total power and control over others, and is marked by a lack of empathy for anything that is perceived as not feeding the self.
Although megalomania is a term often ascribed to anyone who is power-hungry, the clinical definition is that of a mental illness associated with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).
Narcissism is most simply defined as self-love. Though it is considered healthy to care about your own well-being and have a healthy self-esteem, when someone loves himself to the exclusion of all else and others become objectified to be used only to serve the self, this is no longer considered healthy or normal.
There are different psychological theories about how and why NPD develops, most of which relate to the integration of different aspects of ego and self as a child, and the nature of the parental roles in that process. Regardless of theory, NPD is characterized by extremely low self-esteem, which is compensated for by delusions of grandeur and megalomania, a narcissistic neuroses. With the propensity to act only on behalf of one’s self, the unbridled need to feed one’s ego, and the objectification of others to serve the power-hungry needs of megalomania, it is easy to see how this can be a recipe for disaster, especially when wrapped in a charismatic personality.
One of the most well known examples of megalomania in modern history was Adolf Hitler. A street waif, Hitler wasn’t content rising through the ranks to become the military leader of Germany. His megalomania drove him to aspire to conquer the entire world. Being born into a “superior race” also wasn’t enough for the mentally ill Hitler. Instead, he wanted to wipe out all other races. This need to destroy everything outside of what he perceived as an extension of himself is a classic though horrifically illustrated example of megalomania. Paradoxically, a person who exhibits such tremendous ego and self-confidence in reality has such low self-esteem and such a fragile ego that he cannot abide any expression other than his own, for fear of annihilation of the self. Therefore everything that is not under his control is perceived as a threat.”
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-megalomania.htm
“And my Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will also have a broader role – it will help set our national agenda.”
Translation of what Nobama really meant:
“I will use faith-based groups to implement MY national agenda.”
Holy rollers need to denounce koolaid drinking and run fast in the other direction from NObama
Any psychiatrists out there? Note the use of the word “my” by Obama when describing “his” religious Council. The day after he was selected and accepted the nomination (with a speech telling us that his nomination meant: “. . . I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment—this was the time—when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.”), Obama also said that “my” party - the Democratic Party - would no longer take money from lobbyists. It’s always “my” with BO, as if he owns it!
That speech gave me the creeps. For some reason Kevin Costner in Waterworld springs to mind.
a couple of weeks ago, I read on http://www.hcsfjm.com that in August, the republicans are going to land on Obama, big time. Someone was talking about tv ads coming out. I don’t know this for fact, just saying what I read. I do KNOW that a full page ad is coming out in the Chicago Sun newspaper this month. It is an open letter to the DNC, Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc…you can read it at the above cited web site. There are a lot of HRC supporters who are also contributing to McCain, I’m one of them, no Obama, did ya hear that Obama? NO
Just want to let you know…there is no branch of the University of Washington in Spokane.
–A simple note from a Washingtonian
Yup, it’s Washington State in Spokane, not UDub.
I have a seriously hard time believing that huge swaths of the Religious Right are going for Obama. No way! My family is filled with card-carrying evangelicals. When I did an informal survey among them, they just laughed. The first thing they think of in regard to Obama and religion is a mental picture of Rev. Wright ranting and raving from the pulpit. In their minds, Obama is no Christian and no friend of theirs.
“Old, debunked and just plain vicious right-wing rumors and lies about HRC and BC are recycled by today’s “progressive wing” of the Democratic Party. Why this should be so is not explained (and is there any acceptable explanation?).”
Why this is so is very simple: They couldn’t win without doing it. If people just took the time to research the truth about the Clintons’ lifetime record of dedicated public service and accomplishment, they would be deeply impressed. Instead, the Obama Campaign knew they had to commit character assassination (a la Karl Rove) to compete for the nomination. So they did. So much for principles. And the irony is: one of their scurrilous attack lines, spread in robo calls and via surrogates was, “She’ll do anything to win.”
p.s. And now, they are using the same tactic against McCain. They know Obama looks pathetic next to McCain’s war hero status and decades of experience, so they have to destroy his good name and CIC credentials. Anything to win? Who, indeed, is guilty of that?
It’s harder to do with McCain, too. His legislative and military credentials are impeccable.
Obama supporters are a hoot.
They keep making excuses and basing it on personalities rather than policies.
They ignore eyewitness testimony from people that actually attended different caucuses.
Notice said trolls don’t mention, FISA, Campaign Finance, Gun Control, or a woman’s Mental Stress when it comes to abortion.
They keep changing the subject. They’ve learned well from Karl Rove and Bush supporters.
Don’t believe the hype. Evangelicals won’t follow Obama just because he decided to reinvent himself overnight.
How eerily similar are the words “clinging to religion” to “opiate of the masses”?
A faith-based platform and religious litmus test aren’t necessary to get the evangelical vote, but no one likes a liar.
Score this round to McCain, big-time
Christian Conservatives Uniting Behind McCain
July 2, 2008
At a meeting Tuesday in Denver, about 100 conservative Christian leaders from around the country agreed to unite behind the candidacy of John McCain, a politician they have long distrusted, marking the latest in a string of movement that bodes well for McCain’s general election prospects among the Republican base.
“Collectively we feel that he will support and advance those moral values that we hold much greater than Obama, who in our view will decimate moral values,” said Mat Staver, the chairman of Liberty Counsel
A second person who attended the event, but asked not to be named, said that the group was motivated
principally by a desire to defeat Barack Obama. “None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn’t do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president,” the participant said. “You’ve got these two people running for president. One of them is going to become president. That’s the perspective.
Bad news for the Obama boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the part
“None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn’t do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president,”
Matter of fact, let’s say it again.
“None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn’t do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president,”
Source: Time Magazine
GOODBYE OBAMA! take your trolls with you, please
Alehulah Amen.
Superdelegates - Now is the time.
The article by the whoring Domke (who is looking for some quid pro quo from Bwak) only underscores the dire straits of BaJoke with evangelicals. Post-Wright, it’s pretty much over. Nothing is going to fix that, even the prostitution act by Domke and his chums Warren and Caldwell.
Again, as an article written-up earlier this week demonstrated (an article written by a Seattle Post Intelligencer scribe and discussed here at NQ), the real question now is not whether Obama can win evangelicals — he cannot — but whether or not they will regard him as the AntiChrist. Dobson and 100 other leaders of the movement have formed a firewall against Ofraudma’s attempts to pander to the country’s evangelicals and some Kossack nutroot and a couple of fringe players won’t dent that shield.
Also, that Domke is mentioning the “Christian” Obama underscores a problem for BaCrack: People either don’t believe he gave up being a Muslim or else they see his ‘Christianity’ as some kind of heretical sect, which is what it is. Jesus didn’t teach the crap that Wright and Pfleger were mentoring Obama in for 20 years. NO evangelical is buying them apples.
And to buttress the point of no one buying Obama’s fake “Christian” act, Obama and his posse are now offering more perks and rewards for cult members to go and look for ‘untruths’ being spread on the ‘net about BaDork.
As any historian could tell you, such things are never offered unless there is a perceived problem by the ‘Bama Clown Posse. Just like laws to stop the dead from being registered aren’t enacted or enforced more stringently unless, you know, ACORN clowns are trying to sign-up corpses in LA and other locales.
All of this is very, very bleak news for Bwak. He is on his way to a crushing defeat in November.
Wake up, Super Delegates. Before it’s too late.
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There is always the danger, especially in the Evangelical Movement that exist today .This highly organized church of evangelism of today seens to distance our faith walkers, who are the majority of the people who believe in a G-D which are considered faithful. We are to engage in our own “personal evangelism” and to support church’s missionary programs at home and abroad. This does not mean “jumping up and down, fainting, removing large chicken tumors from the church goers stomach, or praise the Lord attitudes. These are turn offs to the majority of faith walkers. Obama believes that evangelism and catholicism are the bases of worship for our Judeo-Christian belief and he is sadly mistaken. He is definitely out of touch with the average religious voter. In an age which places so much emphasis on self-esteem, self- reliance, we are in danger of applying these human attributes also to our personal relationship to G-D, as though we have to go “jump for glee” and “praise the Lord” so He can appreciate us. To us, the likes of Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or Jimmy Swaggert have given the Evangelical Movement a bad name. In my opinion, this movement has become a sour note due to so many harsh “without sin” walkers, who mostly have more iniqiuities than the average folks and are always crying to their flock for forgiveness. The new era of worshipping is different today, it consist of love, friendship and their love for their country, as it is demonstrated on this blog. It is the Love for their G-D that brings them together, not some ” screamer behind a pulpit ” asking telling you that the end of the world is around the corner.
“Islam is…a peace loving religion, as much as Christianity is supposed to be. And, Muhammad, the founder of Islam, had daughters, no sons, and was VERY supportive of them. He would never recognize what has happened to Islam by the fringe elements…”
My gawd, Rev. Amy, are you ever clueless!